Up to the Minute (CBS) - 2006-11-09 (partial)

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[0:00] sight to be

[0:00] >> Dustin Hoffman, Diddy and Hugh Hefner.

[0:03] Next on all new Ellen

[0:05] >> live up to their expectations.

[0:07] >> There's definitely been a lot of

[0:09] acrimony between these two parties. What

[0:11] do you plan to do to reach out to make

[0:14] sure that you both work together?

[0:16] >> Well, the president called me this

[0:18] morning and said he wanted to work

[0:19] together and I said so do we. So does

[0:22] the Democratic party. And you know, a

[0:24] lot of the things that we're advocating

[0:26] are not very ideological. making the

[0:28] cost college tuition tax deductible or

[0:31] allowing uh the uh uh Medicare to

[0:35] negotiate with the drug companies to

[0:37] lower the cost of prescription drugs or

[0:39] things that can get a lot of bipartisan

[0:41] support. And I do think, you know, the

[0:43] previous Congress, the Republican party

[0:45] pretty much stuck to itself and didn't

[0:47] even ask for Democratic votes. It sort

[0:50] of put them off course because

[0:51] bipartisanship is usually the best way

[0:54] to go. And we're not going to make that

[0:56] mistake. We're going to try right from

[0:57] the outset to work with our Republican

[0:59] colleagues and the White House so we

[1:01] don't get mired down in gridlock and

[1:03] name calling.

[1:04] >> Senator Iraq was obviously on the minds

[1:06] of many voters across the country. What

[1:09] do you see happening in the next few

[1:11] months if anything about the withdrawal

[1:13] of troops?

[1:15] >> Well, what we Democrats advocate is to

[1:17] make 2007, the upcoming year, a year of

[1:20] transition where we stop policing a

[1:22] civil war. That's what most of our

[1:24] soldiers are doing as the Shiites shoot

[1:26] at the Sunnis and vice versa. That

[1:28] doesn't help America in any way and it

[1:30] puts our soldiers in harm's way. So,

[1:32] we'd like 2007 to do a significant

[1:35] redeployment of our troops, move them

[1:37] out of harm's way, stop them policing a

[1:39] civil war. Some will be moved out of

[1:41] harm's way within Iraq. Some will be

[1:43] moved out of harm's way outside of Iraq.

[1:46] And then the armed forces that are there

[1:48] will concentrate on only four things.

[1:50] counterterrorism because that's what

[1:52] we're really worried about in terms of

[1:54] making us here in America unsafe. Force

[1:56] protection, protecting the troops that

[1:58] are there, obviously training, training

[2:01] the Iraqi army and doing it in a lot

[2:02] better way than it's been done before.

[2:04] And logistics supplying.

[2:06] >> Do you think it will help now that

[2:07] Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has

[2:09] resigned?

[2:10] >> Yes. Uh Secretary Rumsfeld, if you talk

[2:12] to the top generals in the army, never

[2:14] wanted to listen to an opposing point of

[2:16] view. I'm hopeful that the new nominee

[2:20] uh uh uh Mr. Gates will be far more open

[2:24] to different points of view from within

[2:26] the military and from the country in

[2:28] general.

[2:29] >> Does it look like he will be elected?

[2:33] >> Uh well, the inclination obviously we'd

[2:35] want to look at his record, but the

[2:37] inclination of Democrats is to since the

[2:40] president has for the first time

[2:42] basically said in the removal of

[2:44] Rumsfeld, I've made some mistakes. Uh,

[2:47] we're willing to give this new fella a

[2:49] chance.

[2:49] >> All right, Senator Charles Schumer,

[2:51] senior senator from New York. Thank you

[2:53] so much,

[2:53] >> Meg. Nice to talk to you.

[2:56] >> Residents in Senator Schumer's home

[2:57] state are drying out after a storm

[2:59] brought up to 4 in of rain and flooding

[3:01] to the New York area. In the Pacific

[3:03] Northwest, heavy rains are blamed for at

[3:05] least three deaths. And many homes are

[3:07] being added to the casualty list as

[3:09] well. Michelle Milman of Cairo TV

[3:11] visited one homeowner.

[3:13] >> I am standing in Mike Nichols garage.

[3:15] Look at this. His Jeep now precariously

[3:18] perched here, ready at any moment to go

[3:20] into the raging river. Right here, one

[3:22] part of his garage. The concrete now

[3:24] just a mess. Slabs of concrete. And

[3:27] right there, the raging river. Homeowner

[3:30] Mike Nichols gave us a tour of what just

[3:32] a few days ago was his dream home. Now

[3:34] he's just trying to figure out how to

[3:36] save his two vehicles that could be

[3:38] claimed by the raging river at any time.

[3:40] had uh people volunteer to cut this wall

[3:43] out and try to move stuff out the side,

[3:45] but uh we're worried if we cut that

[3:47] wall, we're going to lose the structural

[3:48] integrity of the house. There's so much

[3:50] pressure on that twisting that we think

[3:52] the whole house will collapse sideways.

[3:54] Sure was nice before the river uh ripped

[3:56] everything out.

[3:58] >> And as bad as this is, what's worse is

[4:00] two nights ago someone broke into

[4:02] Nicholls home. So last night he decided

[4:04] to stay here in the kitchen where he

[4:06] still felt safe. Oh, yeah. This end of

[4:08] the house is all good and

[4:11] that living room section's good. And

[4:12] then you go down to that end of the

[4:13] house. And if you look at that wall, you

[4:15] can see that the whole thing cracking.

[4:17] And that whole end of the house is uh

[4:18] starting to fall away.

[4:21] You can see where the house is starting

[4:22] to pull away from the main section where

[4:24] it's starting to collapse into the river

[4:26] here. It's probably pulled away from the

[4:27] wall about 10 in there. Nicholls wants

[4:30] to get a U-Haul out here to get

[4:31] belongings out of his house, but now a

[4:33] section of road near his home is closed,

[4:36] as is this section of the bridge further

[4:38] down river. The Nicholls dream home is

[4:40] 10 years in the making. Before this, he

[4:42] and his wife plan to retire here next to

[4:44] the river.

[4:46] Kairo TV's Michelle Milman reporting.

[4:49] Now, a quick look at the rest of the

[4:50] nation's weather. The east coast will be

[4:52] mostly sunny and pleasantly mild, while

[4:54] it will be another sunny and warm day

[4:56] across the nation's midsection with

[4:58] temperatures near 80. Elsewhere, it will

[5:00] turn colder across the northern Rockies.

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[7:40] And this morning, CBS Health Watch, a

[7:42] new device to treat head lice. It's an

[7:44] embarrassing but relatively common

[7:46] problem among school children. The

[7:48] current treatments aren't always

[7:49] effective. Now, a new invention is

[7:52] literally blowing the lice away. CBS's

[7:54] Dr. Malica Marshall reports.

[7:57] Kids have playfully called them cooties,

[7:59] but elementary school principal John

[8:01] Erlacer takes head lice seriously.

[8:04] >> We see probably two or three cases a

[8:06] month. An infestation can spread quickly

[8:08] and keeps kids out of class for days.

[8:11] That's why he's excited about Dale

[8:13] Clayton's invention.

[8:14] >> And it's more air than a hair dryer,

[8:18] >> but not as hot.

[8:19] >> The University of Utah professor is

[8:21] using hot air to kill lice with a device

[8:24] called the louse buster.

[8:26] >> We've treated uh about 250 people today,

[8:29] not just kids, but also adults.

[8:31] Professor Clayton started looking for a

[8:33] treatment after both of his kids got

[8:35] lice years ago. Since then, his daughter

[8:37] Mimi has been a guinea pig of sorts as

[8:40] dad tried to perfect his device.

[8:42] >> It's not uncomfortable heat at all. It

[8:45] blows your hair around a lot, but it

[8:46] doesn't feel uncomfortable at all.

[8:48] >> When a kid at school gets lice, the

[8:50] child has to be sent home. It's then up

[8:52] to the parents to treat the problem with

[8:53] shampoos and special combs. The

[8:56] lousbuster could be used at school as

[8:58] soon as the problem is spotted. And

[9:00] unlike current treatments, Professor

[9:01] Clayton says it works 100% of the time.

[9:05] But parents should not try a

[9:06] conventional hair dryer at home. It

[9:08] could burn the child's scalp.

[9:10] >> Has to be exactly the right amount of

[9:11] air, temperature, and coupled with a a

[9:15] kind of handpiece that we've designed

[9:17] that lifts the hair, exposing the roots

[9:19] to the air.

[9:20] >> A company is now set to market Clayton's

[9:22] Lousbuster, and we could see it in

[9:24] schools in a couple of years. Dr. Malica

[9:26] Marshall, CBS News. It said an apple a

[9:30] day keeps the doctor away. And now

[9:32] there's a new kind of apple that Apple

[9:34] lovers are finding hard to resist. CBS's

[9:36] Joey Chen checked it out.

[9:38] >> The newest thing in Apples isn't the

[9:40] iPod. It's this.

[9:43] The Honey Crisp.

[9:44] >> And it's fabulous.

[9:46] >> Everyone's the Honey Crisper. The Honey

[9:48] Crisper. It's a big deal.

[9:50] >> Never tried it? Haven't even heard of

[9:51] it? No surprise. The Honey Crisp is one

[9:54] of the newest apple varieties, but it

[9:56] has quickly become the golden egg of the

[9:59] apple industry. This is it, huh?

[10:01] >> This is it. This is the Honey Crisp.

[10:03] >> For growers and sellers, there's reason

[10:05] to treat the fruit with a certain

[10:07] reverence. The apple industry's been in

[10:09] decline for years. Orchards are being

[10:11] gobbled up by developers. But this year,

[10:14] demand for the Honey Crisp has grown so

[10:16] much, shippers can barely keep up with

[10:19] orders. Growers are calling it the Money

[10:22] Crisp. We're very pleased if we can get

[10:24] $20 a box for a uh box of Redlicious,

[10:27] whereas the going price for a box of

[10:29] Honey Crisp right now is $60 a box.

[10:32] >> No other variety even comes close. Why

[10:35] so high? It's partly because the apple

[10:37] is so hard to grow. It bruises easily

[10:40] and the core is susceptible to disease.

[10:43] >> Honey crisp demands a good sight, good

[10:46] soil, lots of things. It's picky. What's

[10:50] harder to explain, at least on TV, is

[10:53] just what makes the Honey Crisp special.

[10:56] >> It deserves a name.

[10:58] >> Really good.

[10:59] Very light. Light in texture and sweet

[11:03] crisp. It's very light and juicy. It's

[11:06] good.

[11:06] >> Does it live up to the name?

[11:08] >> I think it it is honey and it is crispy.

[11:10] >> And growers say it's a tasty trend

[11:13] that's likely to sell out soon.

[11:16] >> HC Honey Crisp. Joey Chun, CBS News,

[11:19] Germantown, Maryland.

[11:21] >> You're watching CBS News Up to the

[11:23] Minute.

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[13:29] >> The birth rate in Japan has been

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[13:32] same time, the number of families who

[13:34] have dogs has doubled since the 1980s.

[13:37] Is it a case of K9 coincidence? CBS's

[13:40] Alan Pizzy investigates.

[13:43] >> Whoever coined the phrase, "It's a dog's

[13:45] life," had obviously never been to

[13:46] Japan, where a new generation of dog

[13:49] owners have turned the advertising

[13:50] slogan, "Pamper your pet," into a

[13:52] lifestyle. While Lynn, the pedigree pug,

[13:55] has a bubble massage, her owner, Kiyoko

[13:58] Yazaki, is in the next room getting her

[14:00] hair done. And dogs like Lynn don't come

[14:03] from the local pound.

[14:06] It took me three hours to make up my

[14:08] mind about her, Kyoko says. But many

[14:10] people say she looks like me. The pet

[14:13] industry earns 8.5 billion dollars a

[14:15] year thanks to people like Kesuku

[14:17] Okadome who spend hundreds of dollars a

[14:20] month to turn pets into fashion

[14:22] accessories.

[14:23] >> He has the same highlights as you.

[14:25] >> The question, of course, is why? Part of

[14:27] the answer is, as one might expect,

[14:29] man's best friend and all that. But dogs

[14:32] now outnumber children under the age of

[14:34] 12 in Japan, leading to speculation that

[14:36] they've become substitute kids. And then

[14:40] there was another version. A company

[14:42] that offers, among other things,

[14:43] counseling and advice to new owners

[14:45] claims scientific research has shown

[14:47] that dogs have a healing effect.

[14:49] >> Living with pets or touching a pet uh

[14:52] can reduce your blood pressure or

[14:55] cholesterol and uh a lot of risks of uh

[14:59] cardiovascular or anything. And in

[15:01] exchange for that, the owner can treat

[15:03] the pet to something from the three dog

[15:05] bakery. Everything here is for dogs. All

[15:08] salt, fat, and sodium free. Of course,

[15:11] the biggest seller is birthday cakes.

[15:13] But to really shop, you have to go to

[15:16] Hanari in a Moasando. Said to be one of

[15:18] the most expensive shopping areas in the

[15:21] world. It's hard to imagine something

[15:23] they don't sell all for dogs. Manager

[15:26] Kenito says kimonos are popular at New

[15:28] Year's, but business is good all the

[15:31] time. I mean,

[15:32] >> how much business does this store do?

[15:35] >> Just short of $20,000.

[15:38] And this is the latest in a chain of 100

[15:40] stores. Once you spent that kind of

[15:42] money, you have to show it off. Even dog

[15:45] owners concede they shop as much to

[15:47] please themselves as the dogs. Although

[15:50] many also claim their dog is part of the

[15:52] family, which puts another twist on

[15:54] taking the dog for a walk. Alan Pizzy,

[15:57] CBS News, Tokyo.

[16:00] >> Those pampered pooches certainly don't

[16:01] appear to live a rough life. Thanks for

[16:04] joining us this half hour. This is CBS

[16:06] News Up to the Minute.

[16:10] [music]

[16:20] The scam, the steam, the confrontation.

[16:22] Dr. Phil.

[16:29] >> Now on CBS News Up to the Minute,

[16:31] >> would like to say that the votes are in

[16:33] and we won. [screaming]

[16:35] >> An election night prediction comes to

[16:37] pass. Democrat Jim Webb wins the [music]

[16:39] close Virginia Senate race, giving

[16:41] Democrats control of both houses of

[16:43] Congress.

[16:44] >> He himself understands that Iraq is not

[16:47] working well enough uh fast enough.

[16:49] >> And another casualty of the GOP blood

[16:52] bath at the polls. Donald Rumsfeld is

[16:54] out as Secretary of Defense. [music]

[17:03] [music]

[17:08] Good morning [music] from CBS News

[17:09] headquarters in New York. This is Up to

[17:11] the Minute. I'm Meg Oliver. A new

[17:13] political era is about to dawn in

[17:15] Washington. It comes at the head of a

[17:18] razor thin victory in the Senate race

[17:20] from Virginia. CBS News projects

[17:22] Democrat and former Navy Secretary Jim

[17:24] Webb has defeated Republican Senator

[17:27] George Allen by about 7,000 votes in the

[17:30] final contested Senate race. The web

[17:32] victory divides the Senate evenly, 49

[17:35] Democrats and 49 Republicans. But the

[17:38] two independents in the chamber, Bernie

[17:40] Sanders of Vermont and Joe Lieberman of

[17:42] Connecticut, are expected to cast their

[17:44] lots with the Dems, who are also scored

[17:46] a commanding majority in the House of

[17:48] Representatives, giving them control of

[17:50] Capitol Hill for the first time in a

[17:52] dozen years.

[17:54] >> Now it's the election is over, the

[17:56] campaign is over. Democrats are ready to

[17:59] lead. We're prepared to govern, and we

[18:00] look forward to working in a bipartisan

[18:02] way with the president and the

[18:04] Republicans in Congress. Congresswoman

[18:06] Pelosi is now in line to become the

[18:08] first woman speaker of the House. The

[18:10] Democrat landslide puts an end to six

[18:12] years of one party GOP rule in

[18:14] Washington and complicates, to say the

[18:17] least, President Bush's final two years

[18:19] in office.

[18:21] >> If you look at race by race, it was

[18:23] close. The cumulative effect, however,

[18:25] was not too close. It was a thumping.

[18:29] President Bush greeted the election day

[18:31] blood bath with a surprise of his own,

[18:33] firing Defense Secretary Donald

[18:34] Rumsfeld, a chief architect of the

[18:37] increasingly unpopular war in Iraq. Mr.

[18:40] Bush will replace Rumsfeld with former

[18:42] CIA director Robert Gates, who served

[18:44] the first President Bush and most

[18:46] recently has been part of a commission

[18:48] looking into ways to change the failed

[18:50] White House policy in Iraq. Because our

[18:53] long-term strategic interests and our

[18:56] national and homeland security are at

[18:58] risk. Because so many of America's sons

[19:01] and daughters in our armed forces are in

[19:03] harm's way, I did not hesitate when the

[19:07] president asked me to return to duty.

[19:09] >> As for Rumsfeld, whose dismissive style

[19:11] and inability to win the wars in Iraq

[19:13] and Afghanistan helped lead to the GOP

[19:16] fall from power on Capitol Hill. He

[19:18] quoted Winston Churchill. I have

[19:20] benefited greatly from criticism

[19:25] and at no time have I suffered a lack

[19:28] thereof.

[19:29] >> Rumsfeld will remain on the job until

[19:31] his replacement is confirmed by the

[19:33] Senate.

[19:34] >> Back to election news. The race that

[19:36] sealed the Democratic sweep on Capitol

[19:38] Hill came down to less than half a

[19:40] percentage point in Virginia. CBS's

[19:42] Byron Pitts is there.

[19:44] >> I feel good. Um all all the numbers look

[19:47] good for us. The Associated Press has

[19:49] reportedly canvased the entire state.

[19:51] And according to AP, that narrow margin,

[19:54] a nearly 7,000 vote lead for Jim Webb,

[19:57] will stand. More than 2 million

[20:00] Virginiaians cast ballots in this

[20:01] tightly contested and often bitter race.

[20:04] And it would appear Jim Webb has won.

[20:07] >> Uh we all go out, we vote, we argue, we

[20:09] vote, [applause]

[20:12] >> but also would like to say that uh the

[20:15] votes are in and we won.

[20:17] >> [cheering]

[20:18] >> Because Web's margin of victory is less

[20:20] than 1% of the total votes cast under

[20:23] Virginia law, Senator Allen would have

[20:26] the right to call for a recount. But

[20:28] according to an adviser to the senator,

[20:30] Allen would be disincined to call for

[20:33] recount under these circumstances.

[20:36] >> That means that the Democratic Party

[20:38] could soon take control of the US Senate

[20:40] as well as the US House of

[20:42] Representatives. Meg.

[20:44] >> But Byron, if Senator Allen has the

[20:46] right to call for a recount, why

[20:47] wouldn't he at this point?

[20:50] >> Well, we've talked to political analysts

[20:52] about that, and it could go two ways. He

[20:54] could perhaps feel some pressure from

[20:56] the uh National Republican Party to go

[20:59] ahead and ask for a recount. Uh but if

[21:01] he hopes to have any political future in

[21:03] Virginia to perhaps run for Senate later

[21:06] on, he might damage his goodwill with

[21:09] the public if Virginiaians feel like

[21:10] he's dragging this process on. If Jim

[21:13] Webb is in fact the winner, he won fair

[21:15] and square, then then the uh the senator

[21:19] uh would feel tremendous pressure to let

[21:21] it go, to be a gracious loser, and to

[21:23] wish Jim Webb well.

[21:25] >> All right, Byron Pittz reporting

[21:26] tonight. Thank you so much.

[21:29] >> All right,

[21:30] >> the ouster of Defense Secretary Donald

[21:31] Rumsfeld comes as a shock to many, not

[21:34] least of which because the United States

[21:36] is currently involved in three wars,

[21:38] Iraq, Afghanistan, and the war on

[21:40] terror. Lara Logan has the view from

[21:42] Baghdad.

[21:44] >> Hey, I've been talking to serving

[21:45] commanders and soldiers and perhaps the

[21:47] most damning reaction that I've heard is

[21:50] that this comes three years too late and

[21:52] that it won't change the reality on the

[21:54] ground for the troops here because they

[21:56] are on a course of action now as a

[21:58] result of decisions made by Secretary

[22:00] Rumsfeld and the results of that are

[22:02] plain for everyone to see. Or as one

[22:05] officer put it, there are now no good

[22:07] options for us here. And I also heard

[22:10] repeatedly that Secretary Rumsfeld has a

[22:12] reputation in the military as a man who

[22:14] doesn't like to listen to men in

[22:16] uniform. And they're really hoping that

[22:18] this this paves the way for someone who

[22:21] does. But I should also say that there

[22:23] were a number of voices who said it's

[22:25] just not right for Rumsfeld to shoulder

[22:27] all of the blame on his own when much of

[22:29] the blame should also fall onto

[22:31] America's generals. Lara Logan in

[22:34] Baghdad. Bob our has more now from

[22:37] Washington. I

[22:39] >> from the moment he was sworn in, there

[22:41] have been people trying to push Donald

[22:42] Rumsfeld out. He clashed with the

[22:45] uniform brass and his plans to overhaul

[22:47] the military led to rumors of his ouster

[22:49] as early as 2001.

[22:53] But then 9/11 intervened. That day, the

[22:55] embattled defense chief worked side by

[22:57] side with paramedics to rescue the

[22:59] injured. In short order, he led the US

[23:02] into two wars. first in Afghanistan,

[23:04] later in Iraq, insisting Saddam was

[23:07] hiding weapons of mass destruction,

[23:09] >> including VX, Sarin, mustard gas.

[23:13] >> When things turned sour after Baghdad

[23:15] fell, Rumsfeld chastised the press and

[23:18] dismissed fears of a growing insurgency.

[23:20] >> Pockets of dead enders uh are trying to

[23:23] reconstitute.

[23:24] >> While he sometimes showed the flag with

[23:26] the troops, Rumsfeld often infuriated

[23:28] his critics with flippant quips, often

[23:30] seen as arrogant. A soldier once asked

[23:33] him why troops weren't better protected

[23:35] against roadside bombs.

[23:37] >> You go to war with the army you have,

[23:40] not the army you might want or wish to

[23:42] have.

[23:43] >> With the scandal at Abu Grave, an

[23:45] amounting casualty count, a parade of

[23:47] generals called his war strategy flawed.

[23:50] >> Donald Rumsfeld is not a competent

[23:51] wartime leader.

[23:52] >> Yet he repeatedly beat back calls for

[23:54] his head.

[23:55] >> Isn't it time for you to resign?

[23:57] >> I've offered my resignation to the

[23:59] president twice. But with an especially

[24:01] deadly October and Iraq tipping towards

[24:04] chaos, the defense chief increasingly

[24:06] found himself playing defense. And late

[24:08] today, he bid his troops farewell.

[24:11] >> They have my respect.

[24:13] Uh they

[24:15] will remain in my prayers always.

[24:19] Thank you.

[24:20] >> An emotional end to six stormy years.

[24:23] Bob, CBS News, Washington.

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[26:41] Democrat James Webb in the race for

[26:42] Virginia's Senate seat over incumbent

[26:44] Senator George Allen gives Democrats

[26:46] control over the Senate less than a day

[26:48] after they won control of the House. The

[26:51] change in the political landscape is the

[26:53] most dramatic Washington has seen in

[26:54] some 12 years since the Republicans

[26:57] swept into power in 1994. For some

[26:59] insight into what's ahead, we turn to

[27:01] Tom Duca, political science professor at

[27:03] Form University in New York. Good

[27:05] morning, Tom.

[27:05] >> Good morning.

[27:06] >> This is big news. Did you expect to see

[27:08] the Democrats take the Senate? No, I

[27:10] didn't. And uh but it became more likely

[27:13] in the last several weeks. Uh go back

[27:16] three or four months, nobody thought the

[27:17] Democrats would win the Senate. They

[27:19] Democrats themselves would have been

[27:20] happy with the House. It became

[27:22] possible. But even at the end, it seemed

[27:24] impossible. How could you take Virginia

[27:26] or Tennessee or or Montana? How could

[27:29] you take some of these key states that

[27:30] have been such red states? But it

[27:32] happened.

[27:33] >> What does this mean for the average

[27:34] voter who went out and wanted to see

[27:36] some changes?

[27:37] >> Well, they're going to get some changes.

[27:38] You now have the Democrats controlling

[27:40] both houses of Congress. Uh we have to

[27:42] go back to the uh later Clinton years

[27:45] when the Republicans control Congress uh

[27:47] while the Democrats control the

[27:49] presidency. We now have the opposite

[27:50] thing that there there is now a shift in

[27:52] power in Washington. There's going to be

[27:54] a shift in all kinds of things that

[27:55] relate to how how the government is now

[27:58] run in Washington. Uh for example,

[28:00] campaign contributions. Democrats are

[28:02] going to be chairing all sorts of

[28:03] committees. Those coffers are going to

[28:05] open up to them in a way they haven't in

[28:07] recent times. And so what are the

[28:08] biggest changes we're going to see in

[28:09] terms of the committees?

[28:10] >> Well, you're going to see uh the

[28:12] chairmanships of the committees very

[28:13] important in both the House and the

[28:14] Senate. I mean, of course, the speaker

[28:15] of the house, majority leader of the

[28:17] Senate, very important, but the

[28:18] chairmanships going from instead of have

[28:20] conservatives holding them, quite often

[28:22] liberals holding them. So, it's it's

[28:24] just a dramatic change.

[28:25] >> We also saw another big development

[28:27] today with the resignation of Defense

[28:29] Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. What did what

[28:31] do you make of that, especially the

[28:33] timing of it? Why didn't it happen

[28:34] earlier before the election? Well, I

[28:36] think it should have happened earlier,

[28:37] but not just before the election.

[28:39] Perhaps several months before the

[28:40] election or even a year or so ago for

[28:42] the sake of holding on to the Republican

[28:44] Congress. President Bush showing that

[28:46] he's willing to chart a new path as the

[28:48] Iraq war was getting out of hand. He

[28:50] didn't do that. It was a political

[28:51] mistake. They But doing it today was

[28:54] smart because they they showed or they

[28:57] attempt to show that we're going to

[28:58] chart a new course now. Change the

[29:00] subject from the election loss to

[29:02] President Bush gets the message. We're

[29:04] going to move in a new direction. Now

[29:05] whether he's really is or not remains to

[29:07] be seen, but that's the message from the

[29:09] Rumsfeld resignation today.

[29:10] >> And this comes just days after President

[29:12] Bush said that he's doing a fantastic

[29:14] job.

[29:14] >> Fantastic job. Uh just like Brownie did

[29:17] a fantastic job after Katrina, if you

[29:19] remember his commendation of the guy who

[29:21] was supposed to head emergency relief of

[29:23] FEMA. No, this is President Bush's

[29:26] style. He doesn't cut anyone off until

[29:29] they actually do get cut off. So

[29:31] Rumsfell was doing a good job in spite

[29:32] of enormous criticism that he was taking

[29:34] from all quarters including the

[29:36] military, Army Times, Navy Times, Air

[29:39] Force Times. Some Republicans, I'm sure

[29:41] today there are many Republicans who are

[29:42] quite upset because they've lost their

[29:44] seats in the House or in the Senate

[29:46] partly because of the way the Iraq war

[29:49] has been handled. And um but from Bush's

[29:51] point of view, it's better late than

[29:52] never. Try to recoup now,

[29:54] >> set the agenda for the next two years,

[29:56] and see how they'll do in 2008.

[29:58] >> And what will the agenda be? Do you

[30:00] think President Bush will be effective

[30:01] in working and reaching across for

[30:03] bipartisan support? He said he could do

[30:05] it in Texas. He can still do it here. Do

[30:07] you think he's it's going to happen?

[30:08] >> I think he can do it. Uh he hasn't done

[30:11] it for the last 6 years. He can do it.

[30:13] It's in his interest to do it right now.

[30:15] It's also in the Democrats interest to

[30:17] do it. While it appears to be both in

[30:19] both of their political interests,

[30:20] they're going to put on a show of unity,

[30:23] bipartisanship. But, you know, there's a

[30:25] lot of animosity. there's a lot of

[30:27] conflict and there are quite profound

[30:29] differences of opinion about what should

[30:31] happen. Uh and so I don't think that uh

[30:33] I I don't think this will last all very

[30:35] long. I think any president going into

[30:38] the last two years after six years is a

[30:39] lame duck president. A popular president

[30:42] is this president right now is not very

[30:44] popular. There is uh the Democrats will

[30:46] cooperate with him only as long as it's

[30:48] in their interest to do so. Once that

[30:50] ends, the cooperation will end too.

[30:52] >> Well, how do you see Nancy Pelosi

[30:54] working with President Bush? these two.

[30:56] We've heard a lot of bad blood going

[30:58] back and [music] forth between them.

[31:00] >> Well, I I think bad blood will be put on

[31:02] the back burner for both of them for now

[31:05] because right now Nancy Pelosi has to

[31:07] first of all, she has she has a tough

[31:09] job. First woman speaker of the House of

[31:11] Representatives, probably arguably the

[31:14] most important woman in political life

[31:15] in American history. So, she has to

[31:17] overcome gender bias and all the those

[31:20] kinds of misperceptions. Secondly, the

[31:22] Democrats have to show not that they're

[31:24] just anti- Bush, but that they have a

[31:25] positive agenda. So, they can't always

[31:28] be appearing to be just opposing

[31:29] President Bush. For the time being, it's

[31:32] in their interest to cooperate. That's

[31:34] not going to last very long, I don't

[31:36] think.

[31:36] >> All right, Tom Duca, political science

[31:38] chairman of Form University here in New

[31:39] York. Thanks for joining us this

[31:41] morning.

[31:41] >> My pleasure. For more on the end of

[31:43] Donald Rumsfeld's tumultuous tenure as

[31:45] Secretary of Defense, we turned up to

[31:47] the minute military analyst and retired

[31:49] Army Colonel Mitch Mitchell, who joins

[31:51] us by telephone from Fort Riley, Kansas.

[31:53] Mitch, did you see this coming?

[31:56] >> No, I didn't, Meg. Uh, this came as a

[31:58] complete surprise to me, especially in

[31:59] light of the fact that President Bush

[32:01] had given such strong support to

[32:03] Secretary Rumsfeld a couple weeks ago.

[32:06] >> What do you think of Robert Gates as his

[32:08] replacement? How do you think the

[32:09] military will perceive him? Well, I

[32:11] think Robert Gates is a good guy. Uh,

[32:14] the military will see him sort of in a

[32:16] neutral eye. They want to give him a

[32:18] chance to do his job. They know he

[32:19] doesn't have a big military background.

[32:22] He was with the National Security

[32:23] Council. We also know he's a very close

[32:25] Bush family friend. And so, that may

[32:27] work for him or against him. We'll just

[32:29] have to wait and see.

[32:30] >> We've been hearing for months now for

[32:32] the generals calling for Rumsfeld's

[32:34] resignation. How do you think they're

[32:36] going to react to this news? And how

[32:37] about the troops on the ground over in

[32:39] Iraq?

[32:40] I think the generals who've been calling

[32:42] for this will be relieved. I think the

[32:44] generals up and down the chain of

[32:45] command will be as well because whenever

[32:47] you have political turmoil surrounding

[32:49] military operations, it's disruptive. In

[32:52] this case, it probably is not going to

[32:54] be disruptive anymore. The big question

[32:56] is what kind of plan can Bob Gates put

[32:58] into effect? He has been on a committee

[33:00] studying the way ahead in Iraq.

[33:02] >> Well, speaking of that, Medi, do you

[33:04] think we can expect to see sweeping

[33:06] changes under him? I hope so because if

[33:09] he starts changing things on the margin

[33:10] as Rumsfeld tried to do and as Bush is

[33:12] still trying to do, they're not going to

[33:14] have any more success than they did last

[33:16] year or the year before. This requires

[33:18] broad sweeping changes to get the

[33:21] strategy on the right track in Iraq and

[33:23] get our troops home.

[33:25] >> What's the biggest change that you would

[33:27] like to see?

[33:29] >> Moving a timet up with the government of

[33:31] Iraq. getting them to sign on to the

[33:33] fact that they have to move faster so we

[33:35] can get the security forces trained

[33:37] properly and then turn over the roles

[33:40] that we're playing right now to those

[33:42] Iraqi security forces. That way our

[33:44] troops come home.

[33:45] >> All right, up to the minute military

[33:46] analyst and retired Army Colonel Mitch

[33:48] Mitchell. Thank you so much.

[33:50] >> Thank you, Meg.

[33:51] >> We'll be right back.

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