CBS Evening News (A block) - 2006-11-30
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[0:02] We're going to stay in Iraq to get the
[0:04] job done so long as the government wants
[0:05] us there.
[0:06] >> [music]
[0:07] >> I'm Katie Couric in Amman, Jordan where
[0:08] President Bush rules out any quote
[0:11] graceful [music]
[0:11] US exit from Iraq and gives a big vote
[0:14] of confidence to Prime Minister Maliki.
[0:17] >> [music]
[0:18] >> He's the right guy for Iraq.
[0:20] Tonight my interview with Iraq's leader.
[0:22] >> [music]
[0:23] >> How frustrating it has it been for you,
[0:26] Mr. Prime Minister, to not have greater
[0:27] authority sooner?
[0:29] >> [music]
[0:29] >> And with America's Secretary of State.
[0:32] Will this summit really change anything?
[0:36] Jim Axelrod reports on a meeting that
[0:37] featured breakfast, brevity, and a plea
[0:40] from [music] Maliki for greater control
[0:42] of his own forces.
[0:45] Elizabeth Palmer on how that might work
[0:47] in practice [music] or not.
[0:51] David Martin on what the Baker
[0:53] Commission will recommend.
[0:55] And Mark Phillips on [music] an East
[0:57] Coast prep school that's going middle
[0:59] east.
[1:05] >> [music]
[1:05] >> This is the CBS Evening News with Katie
[1:08] Couric reporting tonight from Amman,
[1:10] Jordan.
[1:13] Good evening. President Bush does
[1:14] summits the way he plays golf, quickly.
[1:17] His round of summitry here today with
[1:19] Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki was
[1:22] brief and to the point. And if you were
[1:24] expecting a breakthrough, there wasn't
[1:26] one. Here's what there was. A promise to
[1:29] speed up the transfer of responsibility
[1:31] for Iraqi security to the Iraqis. A top
[1:34] Iraqi official tells CBS News they could
[1:37] be ready to handle it on their own as
[1:39] early as June of next year. The
[1:41] President again rejected a timetable for
[1:44] US withdrawal and gave the Prime
[1:46] Minister a strong vote of confidence.
[1:48] Once again, we have a team of CBS News
[1:50] correspondents covering all the angles.
[1:53] We begin with our chief White House
[1:54] correspondent here with me in Amman, Jim
[1:57] Axelrod. Jim. Okay, that summit actually
[2:00] turned out to be a breakfast followed by
[2:01] a 45-minute one-on-one meeting. Speaking
[2:04] to reporters afterward, President Bush
[2:06] sounded more like stay the course than
[2:08] change the course. Getting out in front
[2:10] of the expected call from the
[2:12] Baker-Hamilton Commission for troop
[2:13] withdrawals, he rejected the idea saying
[2:17] there will be no graceful exit.
[2:20] Seeking to dispel questions about the
[2:22] relationship after Iraq's Prime Minister
[2:24] canceled the planned meeting last night,
[2:26] Mr. Bush praised Nouri al-Maliki's
[2:28] courage and vision.
[2:31] He's the right guy for Iraq.
[2:34] And we're going to help him. But for Mr.
[2:36] Bush, help for Maliki right now means
[2:38] transferring authority over Iraqi troops
[2:41] currently under US command back to
[2:43] Maliki. One of his frustrations with me
[2:47] is that he believes we've been slow
[2:49] about giving him the tools necessary to
[2:51] protect the Iraqi people.
[2:53] But who's in charge doesn't address how
[2:56] that stops Shiites and Sunnis from
[2:57] killing each other. Driving much of the
[3:00] violence in Iraq right now are police
[3:02] forces filled with members of Muqtada
[3:04] al-Sadr's militias.
[3:08] Asked publicly if he would break with
[3:09] Sadr, Maliki sidestepped. Privately,
[3:12] according to an aide, Maliki told the
[3:14] President it would not be a quote big
[3:17] deal to contain Sadr. With the
[3:19] Baker-Hamilton report due out next week,
[3:21] the President seemed eager to preempt
[3:24] any calls for drawdowns from anyone back
[3:26] home. And that's why this business about
[3:28] graceful exit just simply has no realism
[3:31] to it at all.
[3:33] We're going to help this government. The
[3:35] President will spend the next couple of
[3:36] weeks weighing not only Baker-Hamilton
[3:38] but two internal reviews as well. His
[3:41] blueprint for a new course in Iraq is
[3:43] expected just before the end of the
[3:45] year, just before the Democrats take
[3:47] over Congress. Katie. Meanwhile, Jim, a
[3:49] number of top Iraqi officials are saying
[3:52] that the Iraqi forces may be able to
[3:55] take over as early as June of next year.
[3:57] Are they saying US forces can leave now?
[4:00] And does anyone in the United States
[4:02] government think that's possible?
[4:03] >> know, the President always says he
[4:05] counts on his commanders and the US
[4:07] commanders talk about 12 to 18 months
[4:09] time frame, not six or seven months. So,
[4:11] I suppose we'll find out soon enough if
[4:13] we should file this under that in that
[4:15] folder marked wishful thinking. All
[4:16] right, Jim Axelrod. Thank you, Jim.
[4:19] Tonight the Prime Minister is back home
[4:20] where he certainly has his work cut out
[4:23] for him. Elizabeth Palmer continues our
[4:25] coverage now from the Iraqi capital.
[4:29] When Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki
[4:31] arrived back in Baghdad today, he
[4:33] repeated the one message the nation
[4:35] wanted to hear.
[4:37] "We will gradually dispense with the
[4:39] need to have international forces in
[4:41] Iraq," he said.
[4:43] But that word gradually is an admission
[4:46] that Iraq's Defense Ministry may not be
[4:48] ready to take on the job.
[4:51] The new Iraqi army now has almost
[4:53] 119,000
[4:55] members. That's 10 divisions. Only one
[4:59] responsible for this relatively stable
[5:01] area south of Baghdad reports to Iraq's
[5:04] Prime Minister.
[5:06] By coincidence on Monday, a second
[5:09] division based in the remote northwest
[5:11] will also be transferred to Iraqi
[5:13] command.
[5:15] The rest of Iraq's army is still under
[5:17] coalition command. And it's all riddled
[5:20] with problems.
[5:23] Inadequate training, a high desertion
[5:25] rate, and shortages of equipment, food,
[5:29] and even wages. And underlying all that,
[5:32] Corruption is the most dangerous thing
[5:35] we are facing. Even in the army? Even in
[5:37] the army, even police, in the
[5:39] ministries, in the presidency, in the
[5:41] cabinet, in the parliament, every place.
[5:44] The main thing Prime Minister Maliki's
[5:46] army is missing is loyalty to the state.
[5:49] Many soldiers' first allegiance is to
[5:51] tribe or sect. But the real test will be
[5:54] if they are asked to confront those
[5:56] militias, will they hold together as
[5:59] military formations or would they
[6:01] dissolve? And if that were the case,
[6:03] then I truly think we'd see an all-out
[6:05] civil war in Iraq.
[6:07] What's also far from clear is whether or
[6:09] not weakened Prime Minister Maliki has
[6:11] either the backbone or the political
[6:13] strength to put his soldiers onto
[6:16] streets controlled by militias. Katie.
[6:19] Elizabeth Palmer reporting from Baghdad
[6:21] tonight. As we've already mentioned, the
[6:23] report that will be issued next week by
[6:25] the Baker-Hamilton Commission hangs over
[6:28] this summit and over every conversation
[6:30] about the US involvement in Iraq. From
[6:32] the Pentagon tonight, David Martin
[6:34] reports the commission will recommend a
[6:36] timetable for beginning a US withdrawal.
[6:40] The Iraq Study Group will recommend that
[6:42] all 15 American combat brigades, that's
[6:45] about 75,000 troops, should be pulled
[6:48] out of action and either back into base
[6:49] camps or entirely out of the country
[6:52] within 16 months. A source close to the
[6:54] study group tells CBS News. During that
[6:57] time, the mission of US soldiers and
[6:59] Marines currently patrolling the streets
[7:01] would change to that of trainers and
[7:03] advisers embedded with Iraqi soldiers
[7:05] and police. "Our goal is a change in the
[7:07] primary mission from combat to support,"
[7:10] this source said. "This must happen," he
[7:12] added, "even if the Iraqis don't make
[7:15] the changes we want them to.
[7:17] We have to let these people know they
[7:18] have to get their act together or we
[7:20] [music] are getting out of there."
[7:22] It's a tough love strategy the incoming
[7:24] Democratic chairman of the Senate Armed
[7:26] Services Committee seems ready to
[7:28] support. Till now, the administration
[7:30] policy has basically been an open-ended
[7:32] policy where they're as long as the
[7:34] Iraqis want us to be there. That would
[7:37] change under these recommendations. We
[7:39] would notify them
[7:41] uh that we're going to begin
[7:42] redeployment. A source close to the
[7:44] study group said its members feel the
[7:45] Iraqi government has been slow to enact
[7:47] badly needed reforms.
[7:50] The group's 50-page report establishes
[7:52] milestones the government must achieve,
[7:54] such as reconciling the warring factions
[7:57] and distributing its billions of dollars
[7:59] in oil revenues.
[8:00] "If they don't carry this out, we will
[8:02] reduce military, economic, and political
[8:05] support," this source said. This is puts
[8:07] more responsibility and onus and
[8:09] pressure on the Iraqis. It's clearly
[8:11] implied that the Iraqi leadership needs
[8:14] pressure on them if they're going to
[8:16] reach a political settlement.
[8:18] >> has always been to build up Iraqi forces
[8:21] so they can take over the fighting.
[8:23] Now, the Iraq Study Group is saying, "Do
[8:25] it or else."
[8:27] David Martin, CBS News, the Pentagon.
[8:31] The recommendations of the Baker
[8:32] Commission were not discussed here in
[8:34] Amman today. At least that's what the
[8:36] Iraqi Prime Minister told me when he sat
[8:38] down for a rare interview just after his
[8:41] meeting with the President.
[8:44] It was a lightning-fast summit, but as
[8:46] he made a dash to the airport to go
[8:48] home, And then you're leaving out here,
[8:50] yes? Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki took
[8:53] a few minutes to give us an unusually
[8:55] upbeat assessment of the summit's
[8:57] outcome.
[9:00] I'm very happy. I reminded both of us of
[9:02] our victory in Iraq, the victory of
[9:04] democracy and freedom against
[9:05] dictatorship. How frustrating it has it
[9:08] been for you, Mr. Prime Minister, to not
[9:11] have greater authority sooner?
[9:14] I wouldn't say it's frustrating. We
[9:15] found that security forces have to be
[9:17] able to respond quickly because we are
[9:20] facing groups that require security
[9:22] forces that are ready to strike at the
[9:24] terrorists 24 hours a day.
[9:27] As for reports that the Baker Commission
[9:29] will soon recommend major US troop
[9:31] withdrawals, the Prime Minister said
[9:33] President Bush had not brought it up and
[9:35] that any pullback would require dialogue
[9:38] between the two countries. As Prime
[9:41] Minister Maliki leaves Jordan with
[9:42] renewed confidence and determination, it
[9:45] is still unclear how these new plans
[9:47] will be carried out once he arrives back
[9:50] in the morass of Iraq.
[9:52] As Maliki traveled back to Baghdad, we
[9:55] spoke with Iraq's Foreign Minister
[9:57] Hoshyar Zebari about one of the biggest
[10:00] problems facing the government, Muqtada
[10:02] al-Sadr and his powerful militia that he
[10:05] refuses to disarm.
[10:07] What about Muqtada al-Sadr? How big a
[10:10] threat is he?
[10:11] >> Now,
[10:12] Muqtada
[10:14] other people other leaders have to make
[10:16] their choice.
[10:18] Either they have to be in it or out of
[10:21] it. They can't have it both ways.
[10:24] >> What will he choose?
[10:25] Well, I think
[10:27] it's in his best interest and other
[10:30] people also to embrace this government,
[10:33] to support it, and to take away armed
[10:37] men from the streets. If the Iraqi
[10:39] government takes greater control over
[10:41] its own security forces, in your mind
[10:44] does that pave the way for a reduction
[10:47] in US troops in your country? I believe
[10:50] so. I mean that that is really the
[10:52] formula.
[10:53] From day one. Having said that, do you
[10:55] feel confident that US troops will stay
[10:59] in place as President Bush reiterated
[11:01] during the summit as long as it takes? I
[11:04] think any precipitous or any premature
[11:08] withdrawal
[11:09] of multinational forces
[11:12] to leave behind vacuum would be
[11:14] disaster.
[11:16] Now the Bush administration's take on
[11:18] how the summit went. For that I traveled
[11:20] late today to a resort on the Dead Sea
[11:23] and after the sunset I sat down with the
[11:25] Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. She
[11:28] too gave the Prime Minister her
[11:30] endorsement.
[11:32] This is someone when you look in his
[11:33] eyes that you know his commitment to his
[11:36] people. Not only is he trying to bring a
[11:39] country out of the circumstances of
[11:42] tyranny into a functioning democracy,
[11:45] but he's trying to do so with terrorist
[11:48] who quite clearly set out to set off
[11:51] sectarian conflict between Iraqis.
[11:54] President Bush said today
[11:57] that US troops are in Iraq as long as
[11:59] the Iraqi government wants them to be
[12:01] there until the job gets done. The whole
[12:03] goal here is to transfer responsibility
[12:06] to the Iraqis and to give them enough
[12:08] capability to take those
[12:10] responsibilities. Obviously, as those
[12:13] responsibilities are transferred, as the
[12:15] capability improves, then American
[12:17] forces will be less in evidence and less
[12:20] needed. That's a that's a natural
[12:21] outcome.
[12:22] >> Can you see that happening as early as
[12:24] next year? Well, I think we have to have
[12:26] it dictated by when the Iraqis are
[12:28] capable of taking these these
[12:30] responsibilities on, but we have to
[12:32] recognize that they've already taken
[12:34] responsibility for whole provinces. The
[12:36] key is that they be able to do the job.
[12:39] There is much more CBS News straight
[12:41] ahead. From the Middle East we go next
[12:43] to Middle America hit with some heavy
[12:46] wintry weather.
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