Meet the Press (NBC) - 2006-11-05 - 1 of 2
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[0:00] lineup.
[0:03] >> From NBC News in Washington, this is
[0:06] Meet the Press with Tim Russard.
[0:10] >> Our issues this Sunday. This is it. Only
[0:14] 48 hours to go. Just 2 days until the
[0:18] midterm elections. Will the Democrats
[0:21] recapture control of the House? with us
[0:24] the chairs of the House campaign
[0:26] committees, Republican Tom Reynolds and
[0:29] Democrat Rahm Emanuel. Will the
[0:32] Republicans hold control of the Senate?
[0:34] With us, the chairs of the senatorial
[0:37] campaign committees, Republican
[0:39] Elizabeth Dole and Democrat Chuck
[0:41] Schumer. All four campaign chairs only
[0:45] on Meet the Press.
[0:49] music.
[0:51] >> But first, earlier this morning, the
[0:53] Iraqi High Tribunal of five judges found
[0:56] Saddam Hussein guilty of crimes against
[0:59] humanity for the deaths of more than 148
[1:02] Shiite men and boys from the town of Du
[1:04] Jail in 1982. This was the scene as
[1:07] Saddam was ordered to stand and receive
[1:09] his sentence of death by hanging. Saddam
[1:12] shouting, "Hell to the occupiers. God is
[1:15] great."
[1:16] NBC's Richard Angel was in the courtroom
[1:18] and he joins us this morning. Richard,
[1:20] as we watch Saddam this morning, he also
[1:22] was there seeing, holding, clutching,
[1:26] waving the Quran around in defiance.
[1:30] >> So Saddam, when he governed was not a
[1:32] religious man. What kind of symbols was
[1:35] it was Saddam trying to communicate this
[1:37] morning?
[1:40] Saddam realizes this is a an image that
[1:42] is going to last in the minds of many
[1:44] Iraqis who to today are are even
[1:47] grasping to understand that this really
[1:49] took place. Saddam wants to leave the
[1:51] impression that he is a pious leader, a
[1:54] religious man and a nationalist. In
[1:56] addition to holding the Quran, he kept
[1:58] saying, "Long live Iraq. God is
[2:00] greatest. Long live the Iraqi people."
[2:02] He's hoping that is the message they're
[2:04] going to to keep. But according to the
[2:06] uh street protests we saw today, people
[2:09] celebrating and firing guns in the air,
[2:11] it is certainly not the impression that
[2:13] most Iraqis have of their uh of the
[2:15] former dictator.
[2:16] >> His lawyer said he will appeal. What
[2:18] does that mean?
[2:20] >> There is an automatic appeal that should
[2:22] take place in about 30 days. That appeal
[2:25] is a nine judge panel. It is open-ended,
[2:28] but according to Iraqi prosecutors, it
[2:30] might only take several months for the
[2:33] uh appeals court to uphold this death
[2:34] sentence. If in fact that is what's
[2:36] happens and the and the verdict is
[2:38] upheld, then the Iraqi government has 30
[2:41] days to carry out the uh the punishment.
[2:43] Most analysts here expect that it will
[2:45] happen sometime in the spring of '07.
[2:47] >> There were two different reactions in
[2:48] Iraq today. First, this was the scene in
[2:51] the Shiite neighborhoods. celebration,
[2:53] jubilation, and then what happened in
[2:56] the Sunni neighborhoods? Protest
[2:59] pledging revenge for having done this to
[3:01] Saddam. Will this verdict only encourage
[3:05] the sectarian violence?
[3:08] >> According to the prime minister, no. He
[3:10] believes this will help a Shiite prime
[3:12] minister help heal some of the wounds.
[3:15] However, Sunni leaders have made it
[3:16] clear they do not accept this verdict.
[3:18] They say it was imposed on Iraq by the
[3:21] United States. They would have liked to
[3:23] have seen this trial postponed until
[3:25] after the end of American occupation
[3:27] after all troops have left. That is what
[3:30] Sunni leaders have made it clear.
[3:31] Members of the Bath party that uh make
[3:34] up quite a large portion of the
[3:36] resistance groups here in Iraq as they
[3:38] call themselves have vowed to carry out
[3:40] attacks, but so far they have those
[3:43] threats have not been uh been been
[3:45] they've been taken seriously, but they
[3:46] have not uh amounted to much violence at
[3:48] least today so far. And finally,
[3:50] Richard, the timing of this sentencing.
[3:53] Suggestions made that it was scheduled
[3:56] just two days before the midterm
[3:57] elections. Iraqis deny that. What are
[4:00] you hearing? What can you report?
[4:03] US officials and Iraqi government
[4:05] officials both come out repeatedly
[4:07] telling us that this was not timed to
[4:10] coincide with the US elections. However,
[4:12] Saddam's main lawyer today again
[4:15] repeated that allegation, saying that
[4:16] this was clearly politically timed to
[4:19] help the United States. He said that it
[4:21] was politically rushed so that it would
[4:23] give America an exit strategy out of
[4:25] Iraq. However, both US and Iraqi court
[4:29] officials deny that. Tim
[4:30] >> Richard Angel, thank you again for
[4:32] joining us as always and please be safe.
[4:34] Now, back to politics here at home. An
[4:36] exclusive grouping of four people
[4:38] charged with overseeing their party
[4:40] campaigns across the country. the chairs
[4:42] of the senatorial campaign committee,
[4:43] Republican Elizabeth Dole, Democrat
[4:45] Chuck Schumer, the chairs of the House
[4:47] campaign committee, Republican Tom
[4:48] Reynolds, Democrat Rahman Emanuel.
[4:49] Welcome all. Senator Schumer, this
[4:52] sentencing of Saddam Hussein to death by
[4:54] hanging. Are you suspicious of the
[4:56] political timing?
[4:57] >> Not really. I mean, look, Tim, he was a
[5:00] brutal, evil dictator. He's getting the
[5:02] punishment that he deserves. And uh I
[5:05] don't think the timing makes much of a
[5:07] difference. And and frankly, I don't
[5:09] think his conviction makes much of a
[5:10] difference in this election, even though
[5:12] it's a very good thing that it happened.
[5:14] I think when Dick Cheney says we're
[5:16] staying the course this week, when the
[5:18] president uh refuses to rule out uh
[5:21] finding a new defense secretary and uh
[5:24] firing Donald Rumsfeld, that's going to
[5:25] have far more of an effect on the
[5:27] election than this. So, I don't think
[5:28] the timing matters.
[5:29] >> Do you think this will have an effect on
[5:30] the election, Senator Do? You know, I
[5:32] think what this shows is that uh the
[5:34] Iraqis are putting their past behind
[5:36] them, the establishment of the rule of
[5:38] law. Um I feel that uh you know, this uh
[5:41] this will mean they're moving forward.
[5:43] Um certainly a mad man who uh had in his
[5:46] focus the preparation of nuclear
[5:49] weapons. Um this will I think be
[5:52] received uh as the right thing and um
[5:55] you know I don't expect that it's going
[5:56] to uh to have that much effect one way
[5:58] or the other. Congressman Reynolds,
[6:00] >> they're moving towards democracy in Iraq
[6:02] and uh Saddam Hussein is getting that
[6:04] his justified punishment.
[6:06] >> Congressman Emanuel,
[6:06] >> I think it's good that he's behind bars
[6:08] and getting the justice that he
[6:10] deserves. But I would also like to
[6:12] remind that about 3 years ago when he
[6:15] was caught and he's been in jail for 3
[6:16] years about 800 Americans who were dead
[6:18] at that point. Today there's a little
[6:20] over 2,800 Americans that died. He won't
[6:22] change the facts on the ground there and
[6:24] it won't impact the election here. And
[6:26] as Chuck said, and I agree with him,
[6:28] we're still, you know, at that time when
[6:29] he was caught, the president said, "We
[6:32] had turned the corner in Iraq." And
[6:34] after three years, three and a half
[6:36] years, $380 billion, nearly 3,000
[6:40] American lives. That was a slogan then,
[6:42] like mission accomplished. And we
[6:44] haven't really accomplished much in
[6:45] Iraq. And even our own defense says,
[6:46] Secretary, not defense secretary,
[6:48] general on the ground says, "We're on
[6:49] the brink of civil insurrection. The
[6:51] needle at the Pentagon points towards
[6:53] chaos." It means we need a new direction
[6:55] to our Iraq policy.
[6:57] >> We'll talk a lot more about Iraq later,
[6:58] but let's first turn to these elections
[7:00] and go through some of the horse races.
[7:03] Uh, three political newsletters have
[7:06] come out with their final projections.
[7:08] Here's the Cook political report. They
[7:10] say Democrats gained 20 to 35 House
[7:13] seats, four to six Senate seats. The
[7:15] Rothenberg political report puts it at
[7:17] 34 to 40 House seats for the Democratic
[7:21] Party. Senate gained five to seven. The
[7:24] Evans and Novak political report say
[7:26] Democrats gained 20 seats in the Senate
[7:29] uh five. Congressman Reynolds and all
[7:32] those the Democrats with significant
[7:34] gains in the House. Do you agree? No,
[7:36] I've seen those uh numbers I guess kind
[7:38] of consistent by most of what has been
[7:40] up there. Uh what I uh look at is
[7:42] there's about three dozen hotly
[7:44] contested races across the country.
[7:46] They're in the margin of error. And
[7:47] right now, the 72-hour uh uh efforts by
[7:51] the Republicans uh to turn their vote
[7:53] out will make the difference of what it
[7:54] looks like on election day. Uh Glenn
[7:56] Bulier, Republican pollster involved in
[7:58] these races, says this is the worst
[8:00] political atmosphere for Republicans
[8:01] since Watergate. Why? Well, there's wind
[8:04] to our face in the second term midterm
[8:05] election of a president, the party in
[8:07] power. I think we all from the
[8:09] Republican side went into the election
[8:10] understanding that. The reality is we
[8:13] are now with about three dozen races
[8:15] that are very close in the margin of
[8:16] error in the house that will be
[8:18] determined on who comes out to vote.
[8:20] Congressman Emanuel, you'll see those
[8:21] projections. You agree?
[8:23] >> Well, here's what I let me give you four
[8:25] quick points and snapshots around the
[8:26] country. De Mo Register this morning
[8:29] says an open Republican seat. The
[8:31] Democrat Brayley is up by 21 points. in
[8:33] New Hampshire uh in Charlie Bass's seat.
[8:36] The University of New Hampshire has
[8:39] consistently uh the Democrat up by nine.
[8:41] Down in Florida, Ron Klein against Klay
[8:43] Shaw, an incumbent has uh Ron Klein up
[8:47] by 10. And Albuquerque Journal has Paty
[8:49] Madrid uh against Heather Wilson.
[8:51] Albuquerque up by four. One thing
[8:52] consistent, Democrats across the board
[8:54] are growing in their margins in each of
[8:56] these races. Four contested Republican
[8:58] districts. There's one to two Democratic
[9:01] seats that I am uh concerned about with
[9:04] about 48 Republican seats that we are
[9:06] contesting and I like those margins and
[9:08] those numbers.
[9:08] >> So you're confident of a Democratic
[9:10] takeover.
[9:10] >> I'm confident that we have put that we
[9:12] are playing offense across this country
[9:14] in every region of this country. And let
[9:15] me say one other thing to him. You go to
[9:17] history in 58 there was a big election.
[9:19] 66 a big election. 1974 a big election.
[9:22] 1982 a big election. In 1994 a big
[9:25] election. Every decade, the American
[9:27] people have a big election where they
[9:29] say no to the status quo and yes to a
[9:31] new direction. And this election is a
[9:33] yes to a new direction, which is what
[9:34] Democrats are offering.
[9:35] >> Let me turn to the US Senate. Senator
[9:38] Schumer, two states that you must hold
[9:41] that currently have Democratic senators
[9:43] are New Jersey and Maryland. Here is our
[9:45] latest poll on New Jersey. Mendez, the
[9:48] Democratic candidate, 48, Tom Kaine Jr.
[9:50] 41. In Maryland, the Democrat, Ben
[9:53] Carden, 47, Michael Steele, the
[9:56] Republican, 44. How concerned are you
[9:58] that in those two Democratic states, you
[10:00] may get upset?
[10:02] >> Well, we think we're going to win both
[10:04] of those states. I think in blue states
[10:06] in particular, the wind is strongly at
[10:08] our back. Democrats, independents, even
[10:10] Republicans in those states want change.
[10:13] And when they find out, as they have
[10:15] that candidates like these are going to
[10:18] continue a rubber stamp Congress, uh
[10:21] both have said uh both uh Tom Kaine Jr.
[10:23] and Michael Steele have said stay the
[10:25] course in Iraq. People of their states
[10:28] don't like it. Both have supported uh or
[10:31] both are against stem cell research. The
[10:33] people in their states don't like it.
[10:35] Kaine has talked about privatizing
[10:37] social security. Michael Steele is
[10:39] against stem cell research. They are so
[10:41] against what the people in the states
[10:43] want that I believe we're going to keep
[10:44] both of those states.
[10:45] >> Senator Doe, there are seven key
[10:47] battleground states for the Republicans.
[10:49] Let me start with Pennsylvania. Democrat
[10:51] Bob Casey, our latest poll 52. Rick
[10:54] Santorm 39. Ohio Democrat Sherid Brown
[10:58] 50. Mike Dwine, the Republican 44. These
[11:01] are all polls out this morning. Rhode
[11:02] Island, Lincoln Chaffy, the Republican
[11:04] 46. Sheldon White House the Democrat 45.
[11:09] Virginia, Jim Webb, the Democrat, 46,
[11:12] George Allen, the Republican, 45.
[11:15] Missouri, Clare McCascal, the Democrat,
[11:18] 46, Jim Talent, 45, Montana, Conrad
[11:22] Burns, 47, John Tester, 47, Dead Heat.
[11:26] In Tennessee, the Republican, Bob
[11:28] Corker, 50, Herald for the Democrat, 38.
[11:32] In six of those seven, the Republican is
[11:35] either behind or tied. Uh, and with JV
[11:39] up one, what do you think?
[11:40] >> We've got some internal polls that
[11:41] certainly differ from some of the ones
[11:43] that you just read. So, you're gonna
[11:44] sweep them all. Let's let me let me talk
[11:46] about what is normally regarded as uh
[11:48] you guys talk about the firewall with uh
[11:50] Virginia and Tennessee and Missouri and
[11:53] uh we're winning in all those states.
[11:56] Now, I wanted to expand that firewall
[11:59] because I have a much broader firewall.
[12:01] Uh you look at uh at uh at Rhode Island,
[12:04] uh the state of Montana, these are very
[12:06] very tight races. Uh and then we've been
[12:09] putting money into three blue states.
[12:12] Chuck has had to put millions of dollars
[12:14] into New Jersey, into Maryland, into
[12:17] Michigan. You put a lot of money into
[12:18] the state of Washington. That's
[12:20] millions. That doesn't go against our
[12:21] incumbents. So as I look at uh the
[12:24] situation at this point, sure, this is a
[12:26] very tough cycle. No question. When a
[12:29] president has been when a president has
[12:31] been reelected, you look through history
[12:33] and there's no question it's a very
[12:35] tough cycle. But, you know, we've got
[12:37] some X factors that uh really enable us
[12:40] to have an opportunity to break through
[12:42] uh to weather the storm. For example,
[12:45] corruption in New Jersey. Uh Tom Kaine
[12:48] has been uh a real reformer on trying to
[12:50] get rid of paytoplay uh where where you
[12:53] have to pay in in order to uh pay
[12:55] contributions in order to get contracts.
[12:58] Uh Bob Menendez, his opponent is under
[13:00] federal criminal investigation. That
[13:02] issue is front and center. Uh you look
[13:04] in Maryland and you've got a fresh uh
[13:07] leadership uh here in in uh Michael
[13:09] Steel in terms of wanting to really
[13:11] shake up uh uh Washington and uh his
[13:15] opponent Ben Carden has been in
[13:17] government for 40 years. Uh you know,
[13:19] Michael has just gotten the endorsements
[13:21] of some key African-American leaders in
[13:23] Prince George's County. Great leader up
[13:26] in Michigan. uh that state, here's the X
[13:28] factor there. Uh the state is is really
[13:31] hurting economically. 7.1% unemployment,
[13:34] three years of job losses. Uh Debbie
[13:37] Stabinau's policies are not right for
[13:40] growing the economy there,
[13:42] >> but nobody in Michigan has the Michael
[13:44] Michael Buchard uh is doing a great job,
[13:48] but let me tell you, they're a late
[13:50] closing state. Remember John Engler was
[13:53] double digits at this point. He was down
[13:55] double digits.
[13:57] Bottom line, Debbie Stabinau was down at
[13:59] this point and she won.
[14:00] >> You've endorsed all your candidates, but
[14:03] bottom line, will the Republicans hold
[14:05] control of the Senate?
[14:06] >> Yes, they will. We will hold. We will
[14:07] hold the majority.
[14:08] >> She's confident. Will the Democrats take
[14:10] control of the Senate?
[14:11] >> Well, Tim, we're right on the edge of
[14:13] taking back the Senate. I wouldn't uh
[14:15] open up the champagne or do the high
[14:17] fives, but we are feeling very good.
[14:19] Something we never would have said uh
[14:22] even three months ago. Here's what's
[14:23] happened. This election has evolved into
[14:26] a national referendum on change. And
[14:29] when the election becomes a referendum
[14:31] on George Bush and the rubber stamp
[14:33] Congress, the the Republicans lose. And
[14:36] that's what's happened from one end of
[14:37] the country to the other. People are not
[14:39] happy with what's going on in foreign
[14:41] policy. Not only Iraq, but North Korea,
[14:44] Afghanistan. The middle class is
[14:46] struggling here at home. Wages are flat.
[14:48] The overall macro numbers are good, but
[14:50] most of that's going to the very high
[14:52] end. And the average American's wages
[14:54] are flat. Tuition costs go up.
[14:56] Prescription drug costs go up. Energy
[14:58] costs go up. So people want change. And
[15:01] that's why we are so so close to taking
[15:04] back the Senate.
[15:05] >> Let me talk I'll come back to the
[15:07] >> need to be answered.
[15:08] >> I'll come back to the Senate. I promise.
[15:09] Let me turn to the House. Congressman
[15:11] Reynolds, you were considered a shoe in
[15:13] for re-election. Here's the latest poll
[15:15] from the Buffalo News this morning.
[15:18] Tom Reynolds 47. Jack Davis, Democratic
[15:20] opponent, 46. What happened? Well, I
[15:23] moved 15 points according to the same
[15:24] pollster in two weeks when most put the
[15:27] obituary on the 26th district of New
[15:29] York. Uh it's all about turnout and my
[15:32] race is going to be the model just like
[15:34] 35, 36, 37 races across the country. Uh
[15:37] they're in the margin of error. It's
[15:39] about turnout. One thing you know about
[15:40] Buffalo, it isn't snowing today. There
[15:42] were 400 people in the streets yesterday
[15:45] running the operation of turnout the
[15:47] vote. and uh we'll do it today, we'll do
[15:50] it tomorrow, and uh if that's being done
[15:52] across the country, we're in this race
[15:54] to hold the House. It all gets down for
[15:56] Republicans turning out the vote. The
[16:00] same poll, however, asked this question.
[16:02] What did they think of your role in the
[16:04] Foley Page scandal, 31 approved, 57
[16:08] disapprove, and the con their concern
[16:11] goes back to this. In the spring of '05,
[16:13] you say that Congressman Rodney
[16:15] Alexander brought to your attention the
[16:17] existence of the emails between Mark
[16:19] Foley and a former page of Mr.
[16:21] Alexander's that you told the speaker of
[16:24] a conversation that Mr. Alexander had
[16:26] with me. Speaker Hazard says he doesn't
[16:28] remember that conversation.
[16:29] >> Two things. It was a spring of 06 and uh
[16:32] second, the speaker has never denied the
[16:34] conversation. What he said, he didn't
[16:35] recall it.
[16:37] >> Why did Mr. Alexander, a congressman
[16:39] from Louisiana, go to you, the chairman
[16:42] of a campaign committee, as opposed to
[16:44] the page committee or the speaker? Why
[16:47] would he be thinking politically? Why go
[16:48] to you?
[16:49] >> Well, uh, I never outright asked him,
[16:52] but I got the impression maybe he came
[16:54] by to, uh, to tell me that, uh, based
[16:56] on, uh, the fact that, uh, I know Rodney
[16:59] pretty well. It was one of those.