Larry King Live (CNN) - 2006-07-12 (Dan Rather)

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[0:05] Tonight exclusive, [music] Dan Rather,

[0:07] what happened? His first live in-depth

[0:10] interview on his life after CBS. He

[0:13] tells his side of the abrupt departure

[0:15] that ended [music] his legendary 44

[0:18] years at CBS News, and he'll tell us

[0:20] about what he's doing next [music] and

[0:22] why.

[0:23] Dan Rather covers it all and takes your

[0:25] calls next on Larry King Live.

[0:33] >> [music]

[0:36] >> Good evening. It's always a great

[0:37] pleasure to have as our guest the

[0:39] broadcasting legend Dan Rather. And as

[0:41] you know, he recently left CBS after 44

[0:43] years, just got a new job. We'll talk

[0:46] about all that tonight, but first let's

[0:48] take a quick look at an extraordinary

[0:50] career.

[0:53] He's reported from the front lines of

[0:54] wars and protests. But don't push me.

[0:57] Take your hands off of me unless you

[0:58] plan to arrest me. Had memorable on-air

[1:00] run-ins with President Richard Nixon.

[1:03] Are you running for something?

[1:07] No, sir, Mr. President, are you?

[1:10] And then Vice President George Herbert

[1:11] Walker Bush.

[1:12] >> Well, Dan, let's be careful here because

[1:14] You're so I want you to be careful, Mr.

[1:16] Vice President, because the problem here

[1:18] >> I don't remember that

[1:19] >> Then how do you explain that

[1:21] The other people at the meeting say he

[1:22] was apoplectic.

[1:25] And by 1981, Dan Rather was ready to

[1:27] take over a CBS News anchor from a

[1:29] broadcast legend. A great broadcaster

[1:32] and gentleman, Doug Edwards, preceded me

[1:34] in this job, and another, Dan Rather,

[1:37] will follow. He would hold that chair

[1:39] for 24 years, three more than Walter

[1:41] Cronkite.

[1:42] And he never stopped chasing scoops.

[1:46] But in 2004, he was correspondent for a

[1:49] 60 Minutes II story questioning

[1:51] President George W. Bush's National

[1:53] Guard service. Internet bloggers

[1:55] challenged key documents in that report,

[1:58] and CBS finally acknowledged it couldn't

[2:00] authenticate them. It was a mistake. CBS

[2:04] News deeply regrets it. Also, I want to

[2:06] say personally and directly

[2:08] I'm sorry.

[2:09] Before an independent panel released its

[2:11] findings on Memogate,

[2:13] Rather announced he'd step down [music]

[2:15] as CBS News anchor in March of 2005, a

[2:18] year before what would have been his

[2:20] 25th anniversary. After nearly a quarter

[2:22] of a century as the anchor of this

[2:24] broadcast, I've decided it's time to

[2:26] move on.

[2:27] And then 3 weeks ago, a sudden,

[2:29] unceremonious exit from the network

[2:31] where he'd worked for four decades.

[2:36] We welcome Dan Rather, as always, to

[2:37] Larry King Live. What happened? Why?

[2:40] Why so abrupt? What happened, Dan?

[2:42] Well, Larry, I don't know everything

[2:44] that happened.

[2:45] Uh what I do know is that

[2:48] it was a

[2:49] contract which went unfulfilled, and

[2:53] there were promises not kept.

[2:57] I was surprised by that.

[3:00] I never heard the other side of the

[3:01] story, which is to say

[3:04] that I never heard uh from um

[3:06] the top of the corporation or the top of

[3:09] the news division.

[3:10] >> Didn't call you?

[3:11] >> [snorts]

[3:12] >> No.

[3:13] So, I don't know, but I want to make it

[3:15] clear that I don't have any complaints.

[3:17] You know, my mother taught me as she had

[3:20] been taught by her grandmother, my

[3:23] grandmother Page, her mother, my

[3:24] grandmother Page, about yesterday, no

[3:27] tears, about tomorrow, no fears.

[3:29] And [snorts] what happened at CBS is is

[3:31] yesterday.

[3:33] Uh much of it is a puzzle to me. It

[3:35] remains a puzzle to me. I wish I had the

[3:37] answers of exactly what happened.

[3:40] But I've said to you that there were,

[3:41] you know, there were promises unkept. I

[3:43] never I never heard the other side.

[3:45] Later, we'll talk about the new job.

[3:47] But are they painful puzzles?

[3:50] I mean

[3:51] Well, the straight answer there is

[3:53] I hate to use the word painful, but it's

[3:55] apt. It's apt.

[3:57] Uh I was disappointed and and puzzled.

[4:00] And you know, perhaps there were were

[4:02] good reasons for this,

[4:04] but

[4:05] as with so much of life,

[4:07] uh we don't know the full story, and I

[4:09] may never know the full story.

[4:11] Uh it may be simple, it may be

[4:12] complicated.

[4:14] And what I don't want to do is play any

[4:15] games with you or with the audience and

[4:18] say, "Oh, well, you know, it it it

[4:20] didn't matter." Of course it mattered. I

[4:21] had 44 years there.

[4:23] Uh but in the end,

[4:25] uh what I was told, what was relayed to

[4:28] me, was, "We just don't have a place for

[4:30] you." And and how was that said? Were

[4:32] you at your desk? What What happened to

[4:35] this? You get a phone call? Uh I got a

[4:37] phone call uh from um the lawyers. It

[4:41] was relayed by the lawyers. A little

[4:43] earlier than that,

[4:44] >> [clears throat]

[4:45] >> the executive producer of 60 Minutes

[4:48] uh had said

[4:50] that he expected me to be gone by the

[4:53] end of June.

[4:56] Uh by the end of May.

[4:58] And that came as a surprise to me.

[5:01] But

[5:02] perhaps I should have known, you know,

[5:04] going on going along that there was a

[5:07] point in the middle of

[5:09] last year

[5:12] in which what I thought had been um a

[5:14] warm, good relationship with the very

[5:16] top

[5:17] uh management

[5:19] uh turned uh marble-slab cold.

[5:22] And why that was, um I don't know.

[5:25] But you know, I want to

[5:27] answer the questions directly, but it's

[5:28] important to me that you know, and

[5:30] anybody watching listening know

[5:32] that I've been extremely lucky.

[5:35] I was really lucky to work at CBS News,

[5:37] and I'll never feel any other way. That

[5:39] was really lucky to work there.

[5:41] Um I was, you know, blessed to be able

[5:44] to live my dream in many ways at CBS

[5:47] News. And what happened with all the

[5:49] things that the country has to worry

[5:51] about now Yeah, but you're part of the

[5:54] country. You're part of the country's

[5:55] lore. You're

[5:57] You're a part of this.

[5:59] Well, I appreciate that. Here's a

[6:00] statement made by Sean McManus,

[6:01] President of CBS News and Sports. Of all

[6:04] the famous names associated with CBS

[6:06] News, the biggest and brightest on the

[6:07] marquee are Murrow, Cronkite, and

[6:09] Rather. With the utmost respect, we mark

[6:11] the extraordinary and singular role Dan

[6:13] has played in writing the script not

[6:14] only of CBS News, but of broadcast

[6:16] journalism. Journalism, there will

[6:18] always be a part of Dan Rather at CBS

[6:20] News. He is truly a reporter's reporter,

[6:22] and he's helped to train several

[6:23] generations of broadcast journalists.

[6:26] His legacy cannot be replicated. Does

[6:29] that ease it?

[6:31] Well, I very much appreciate that.

[6:33] I appreciate

[6:34] Sean McManus saying that.

[6:37] Um

[6:39] but

[6:39] I'm looking forward

[6:40] >> to say it to you.

[6:43] Well, after I was gone,

[6:45] um as I was going, this is what they

[6:48] said, and I do appreciate it.

[6:49] Larry, but I'm looking ahead. CBS News

[6:53] is in my rearview mirror now.

[6:55] Uh I I have a special place for the

[6:57] people present and past at CBS News that

[7:00] I worked with. It's a it's filled with

[7:03] really caring, dedicated working people.

[7:07] Uh there came a time when I realized and

[7:10] everybody realized

[7:12] I shouldn't speak for everybody,

[7:13] speaking for myself,

[7:15] that

[7:16] we were working for not CBS and not CBS

[7:19] News, we were working for Viacom News,

[7:21] which was a whole different thing, a

[7:23] larger company.

[7:25] >> That was the

[7:26] uh yes, it was a large entertainment

[7:28] company.

[7:29] And now they they split back, but we

[7:32] started working for Viacom News with

[7:34] different interests, different

[7:35] traditions.

[7:37] And more lately,

[7:38] uh and they have a right to do this,

[7:41] uh they've indicated they want to go in

[7:43] a different direction.

[7:44] Uh

[7:46] very top management has said they want

[7:47] to

[7:49] I think this is a paraphrase of a quote,

[7:51] "We want to break with the past. They

[7:53] They want to be done with the past and

[7:55] build something new."

[7:57] And I'll be interested to see what that

[7:59] something new is, but

[8:01] uh it's you know,

[8:03] I want to do news that matters.

[8:05] And so much of news these days, and this

[8:08] is not directed at CBS, and I include

[8:10] myself as one who, from time to time,

[8:13] maybe more than time to time,

[8:15] uh has been a part of it. But it's so

[8:17] driven by ratings, so driven by

[8:19] demographics, so driven by

[8:22] what we used to be told, stockholder

[8:25] value. It's driven for things other than

[8:26] the public interest.

[8:28] Uh you know, I want to do news that's

[8:30] fair and accurate, do it with integrity,

[8:32] and want to do it in the public

[8:33] interest, and I now have an opportunity

[8:35] to do that at HDNet. We'll talk about

[8:37] that later. Our guest is Dan Rather.

[8:39] You're watching Larry King Live. Don't

[8:40] go away.

[8:43] Good evening.

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[8:47] called Operation Desert Storm. The

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[8:52] Penh, Cambodia, just 17 days ago.

[8:55] >> Unemployment, higher or lower? Lower.

[8:56] See, it's important to say these things

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[9:00] There is much that is not known about

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[9:21] For the CBS Evening News,

[9:24] Dan Rather reporting.

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[11:34] The failure of CBS News to do just that,

[11:37] to properly fully scrutinize the

[11:39] documents and their source, led to our

[11:42] airing the documents when we should not

[11:43] have done so. It was a mistake. CBS News

[11:47] deeply regrets it.

[11:48] Also, I want to say personally and

[11:50] directly,

[11:51] I'm sorry.

[11:53] You think that was it? That's the reason

[11:56] you're gone, even though you stayed a

[11:57] while.

[11:58] I don't know. It's certainly possible.

[12:01] In your statement, you said as for their

[12:02] office of a future with only an office

[12:04] but no assignment,

[12:06] it just isn't in me to sit around doing

[12:08] nothing. How did they make that offer?

[12:10] How did they say to you what? Do you

[12:11] want to sit around?

[12:12] No, it came again. It came through

[12:14] lawyers.

[12:16] Like do you want a desk? Um it was

[12:19] if you want to stay with a desk and uh

[12:23] a secretary and an office, certainly not

[12:25] an office

[12:26] right here.

[12:28] Uh and if you're prepared to sign

[12:30] a piece of paper that says you won't

[12:33] never say anything derogatory about CBS

[12:36] or won't do it for a long time, and that

[12:38] you'll never sue the company,

[12:39] then um

[12:41] you can do that.

[12:43] But

[12:45] anybody who knows me knows that you

[12:47] know, I want to work.

[12:48] Uh I'd much rather wear out than rust

[12:51] out.

[12:53] And for others, that may be a good way

[12:54] to go, then some others have gone that

[12:56] way. They're quite comfortable with

[12:58] taking an office. You know, age comes

[13:00] into it and your hunger for work and

[13:03] what you want to do.

[13:04] But

[13:05] frankly, I saw this as kind of a version

[13:07] of

[13:09] not golden handcuffs, but maybe brass

[13:11] handcuffs. But you know, it's it's

[13:13] behind me. Uh they

[13:16] they handled it in a curious way.

[13:19] And I wish I knew the whole story. I

[13:21] wish I had had an opportunity to say,

[13:23] "Hey, what's happening?" This is Dan,

[13:25] you know, you you know what

[13:26] >> that calling someone one of the suits

[13:28] and saying let's have lunch and

[13:30] Uh never happened. After a certain

[13:32] point, I didn't talk to anybody at at

[13:34] the top. And I found that strange. Yeah,

[13:37] concerning the National Guard story,

[13:38] Mike Wallace was on this show and I

[13:40] asked him about it. Watch.

[13:44] Rather is a friend, first of all.

[13:47] Good friend. Man I respect.

[13:50] Brave, courageous, first-rate reporter.

[13:54] He

[13:55] He and the people that he was working

[13:57] with

[13:59] took on

[14:01] the piece about the president's

[14:04] military service.

[14:08] The

[14:10] the people who were

[14:12] fired as a result of that

[14:16] were the were the people who helped him.

[14:19] I felt

[14:21] that Dan, when the when these people who

[14:24] worked so hard with him on that piece,

[14:27] when they were fired,

[14:29] that he and I told him so.

[14:31] Dan,

[14:34] I think you should have I know you

[14:35] probably

[14:36] still should. You should have resigned.

[14:41] React.

[14:42] I'm not going to get in any argument

[14:43] with Mike Wallace or any of the others

[14:46] who have

[14:47] seen fit to pass their judgments on me.

[14:49] He's entitled to his opinion. One thing

[14:51] I'd like the record to show

[14:53] that the first time Mike said that to me

[14:56] >> [snorts]

[14:56] >> was after he had done

[14:58] an interview for NBC Dateline.

[15:02] That's the first time he mentioned to me

[15:05] what he thought I could have, might

[15:06] have, should have done.

[15:09] But you know, Mike and the others who've

[15:11] been critical and have their own view in

[15:13] hindsight of what

[15:15] might have done, could have done,

[15:17] uh they have to answer for themselves in

[15:18] the times in the past when

[15:21] things may not have gone right. But I'm

[15:23] I'm not going to get in any argument

[15:24] with him. There's too much of

[15:26] journalists arguing with one another,

[15:27] too much in the personalities of things

[15:30] that uh

[15:31] I would also like to say that

[15:34] when Mike says he's a friend,

[15:36] um

[15:38] that during the year and a half before I

[15:41] left,

[15:43] uh there was some curious speaking of

[15:44] curious things happening. Some curious

[15:46] things happened. But

[15:48] you know, he's he's entitled. Yeah.

[15:50] Um Does it leave you with a bad taste?

[15:54] It wasn't the best of taste.

[15:56] Disappointment?

[15:58] Some.

[16:00] Do you still feel a loyalty to those

[16:01] producers who worked with you?

[16:03] Absolutely.

[16:04] One of my disappointments is that

[16:07] you know, over

[16:09] most if not all of my career, I've taken

[16:12] the view that

[16:13] >> [snorts]

[16:13] >> we go into stories together, no matter

[16:15] what happens, we stay together, and we

[16:18] come out the other side together.

[16:20] But Larry, I can't believe very many

[16:22] people are still interested

[16:24] in uh in in this.

[16:27] That of course is painful when a Mike

[16:29] Wallace who I've known for a long time

[16:32] uh says these kind of things in

[16:33] retrospect. And he he [clears throat]

[16:35] wasn't the only one.

[16:36] Uh but it's an old story in life as well

[16:38] as journalism

[16:40] that when

[16:41] when the heat gets on

[16:43] and when you get knocked down,

[16:46] um some people surprise you because they

[16:48] come to your aid

[16:50] and you say, "Wow, I never knew that guy

[16:51] would do that." Or "I never knew that

[16:53] woman would do that." And other people

[16:55] go the other way.

[16:57] Uh but overall and in the main, you're

[17:00] looking at one lucky man. I've been a

[17:02] lucky journalist all my life.

[17:05] Um and

[17:06] >> is the [clears throat] residue of design

[17:07] as Branch Rickey once [laughter] said.

[17:09] Um

[17:09] we have an email to our website from

[17:11] Cynthia of Easton, Maryland who wants to

[17:13] know, "Do you think age discrimination

[17:16] played any role in your departure from

[17:18] CBS?" Well, as I said, I don't know. I

[17:20] know so little about the departure. I

[17:22] simply don't know. It certainly has not

[17:24] been a factor in what I'm moving to.

[17:26] That to get this opportunity that I have

[17:28] at

[17:29] HDNet to do a program of my own in which

[17:31] I have editorial and creative control,

[17:35] working for

[17:37] a man

[17:38] in Mark Cuban

[17:39] who I think understands that uh

[17:42] hard news needs backers who won't back

[17:45] down, won't back away when the heat gets

[17:47] on. Yeah, I want to get to that. How do

[17:48] you deal

[17:50] with we were talking

[17:52] earlier in the offices about loss. And

[17:53] then hardest thing would probably be

[17:54] loss of a child and then divorce or

[17:57] breakups,

[17:58] loss of a job.

[18:01] How do you deal with that when when

[18:03] you're told

[18:05] goodbye?

[18:06] And Mike, how did you deal? Wife a big

[18:08] help?

[18:09] What? Of course.

[18:11] But Larry, it's different

[18:13] when uh you

[18:15] change jobs at my age and stage career.

[18:19] Reason I said before I was lucky.

[18:20] Listen, I haven't had it tough over the

[18:22] last year and a half.

[18:24] You know, a single mother trying to make

[18:26] it with

[18:27] with kids,

[18:29] uh the policeman who walks the beat in a

[18:32] tough neighborhood late at night, people

[18:34] who are at the charity hospital

[18:36] after midnight on Saturday morning,

[18:39] um

[18:39] these people have it tough. And

[18:42] many, many people when they

[18:44] lose a job

[18:45] uh have real financial issues. I

[18:49] remember about my father who worked with

[18:50] his back and his hands all his life.

[18:52] Dug ditches for pipelines and eventually

[18:55] climbed poles as a lineman.

[18:57] Um that he quit a job once and went into

[19:00] business and the business folded. And I

[19:02] remember the the concern, fear bordering

[19:05] on terror of my mother

[19:07] because my father was out of work. Now,

[19:09] many Americans, particularly those who

[19:11] were of age during the depression, have

[19:13] these stories. So, the answer to your

[19:14] question,

[19:15] of course, it's never comfortable to

[19:17] lose a job. And

[19:19] I want to make sure that people

[19:21] understand that I know how lucky I am.

[19:23] And for me, I can't say it was no big

[19:25] deal. But you weren't in a financial

[19:27] bind.

[19:28] >> I was not in a financial bind, and it

[19:30] had reached a point

[19:31] where I was eager to to move on to

[19:34] whatever the next thing. I wish it had

[19:35] been at CBS News, but it wasn't, and so

[19:37] I moved on to the next thing. We'll take

[19:38] a break. When we come back, we'll ask

[19:40] Dan's thoughts about the coming of Katie

[19:42] Couric to CBS. And later, we'll talk

[19:44] about his new job. We'll also be

[19:46] including your phone calls for Dan

[19:47] Rather. Don't go away.

[19:50] He's a superb reporter.

[19:53] Look, he he let his heart show.

[19:57] You remember the the hassle that he had

[19:59] with George W. Bush's father?

[20:01] Oh, yeah. On the air?

[20:05] While Brokaw and Jennings kept it at

[20:09] arms length,

[20:13] >> [snorts]

[20:13] >> rather showed the way he felt.

[20:16] Big deal.

[20:23] I knew I had skin cancer, but I didn't

[20:25] realize that I had malignant melanoma,

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[23:35] Little history of a great network. The

[23:37] next one in that anchor chair will be

[23:38] Katie Couric. What do you think?

[23:41] Uh she's a

[23:42] a very good interviewer.

[23:45] Uh she's a good and decent person. Her

[23:47] father was a newspaper

[23:48] uh man.

[23:49] She has a very good on-screen

[23:52] personality.

[23:54] And

[23:55] if she demonstrates she loves the news

[23:57] and has leadership skills, she'll be and

[23:59] which I think she does in both cases,

[24:01] she'll be fine.

[24:03] Uh Danny Foreman of Overland Park,

[24:04] Kansas asks concerning her, "What will

[24:07] be her largest challenge or obstacle in

[24:09] becoming the first female ever to be the

[24:11] solo anchor of an evening news for a

[24:13] major network?"

[24:17] To demonstrate that she loves the news.

[24:21] That particularly doing evening news

[24:22] broadcast, there has to be a sense of

[24:25] trust. It's less, in my opinion, others

[24:28] have other opinions, it's less

[24:30] whether people

[24:33] like your smile or like your tie or

[24:36] like what you're wearing

[24:37] or like your personality than whether

[24:41] they think

[24:43] that you're a journalist in your core.

[24:46] There are other people with other views

[24:47] who don't believe this. This is my view.

[24:49] And uh You think the public recognizes

[24:51] it? I do. My experience is that people

[24:54] who watch news broadcasts recognize it.

[24:57] And they, you know, people will have

[24:59] their favorites. But they they do

[25:01] recognize it. In Katie's case, cuz she's

[25:03] such a good broadcaster, that the odds

[25:04] would be in her favor.

[25:07] Uh if, as I say, she demonstrates she

[25:09] loves the news. I I I, you know, I

[25:11] expect her to do well. I think she'll do

[25:13] well.

[25:14] A lot of it and

[25:16] again, you know, we're we're talking

[25:17] about personalities. It's frankly, I

[25:20] think it's less

[25:22] what Katie can do

[25:24] than it is what what do the people who

[25:28] run the network and run the news

[25:30] division, what kind of news do they want

[25:32] to they really want to put on? If it's

[25:34] completely

[25:36] ratings driven, driven by demographics,

[25:38] and doesn't have a sense

[25:40] a very strong sense of public service,

[25:44] uh then whatever she does

[25:46] will be

[25:48] it would be more difficult.

[25:50] There are other factors. We're not going

[25:52] to go into business to television

[25:53] department. But for example, the owned

[25:56] and operated stations of the CBS chain

[25:58] haven't been the strongest in recent

[26:00] years.

[26:01] And what comes before you and what

[26:04] follows you on the air in the evening

[26:05] news has a great deal to do

[26:08] with how you do in the ratings. I said

[26:10] for years, you give me Oprah in front of

[26:11] me

[26:13] and Wheel of Fortune behind me,

[26:16] and I'll win for you. I went in Dallas,

[26:18] I went in Dubuque, I went in Des Moines

[26:19] for you. Which is a way of saying what

[26:20] comes before and what comes after it.

[26:22] But but we'll have to see

[26:24] uh that

[26:25] she's Ms. Couric is at CBS news now and

[26:29] we'll see in the fall how she does. I

[26:32] like her chances.

[26:33] You do like her chances. I do.

[26:35] We will take a break and when we come

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[30:26] >> We're back with an extraordinary

[30:27] broadcast and old friend Dan Rather. You

[30:30] mentioned earlier

[30:31] and what I want to go back to it, unkept

[30:32] promises. Like

[30:36] Well, I was told that I was going to be

[30:39] a regular correspondent on 60 Minutes.

[30:42] Um I wasn't. That's an example.

[30:45] Uh but they were unkept promises and I

[30:48] asked several times that the promises be

[30:50] kept and What they tell you? Um well, I

[30:53] was told through third parties um

[30:56] we think we're keeping them.

[30:58] That was part of it and

[31:00] in some cases it was demonstrably true

[31:02] that they weren't keeping it.

[31:04] In all fairness, I talk about this and I

[31:06] want to answer your questions as

[31:07] truthfully as I can as candidly as I

[31:08] can.

[31:10] But it's compared to

[31:11] what news ought to be doing,

[31:14] concentrating on whatever happened to

[31:15] Dan Rather at CBS News, how he

[31:18] left under what circumstances, that even

[31:21] this the story in which

[31:23] I didn't we didn't do as good a job as I

[31:25] thought we should have done. And I do

[31:27] want to make clear, you played several

[31:28] times the the clip of what I apologized

[31:31] on the air. That was

[31:33] first of all,

[31:35] I was playing team.

[31:37] Uh

[31:38] made every word of it

[31:40] in that

[31:41] the we had a lot a lot of corroboration

[31:47] of what we broadcast about

[31:51] President Bush's military record. It

[31:53] wasn't just the

[31:56] the documents.

[31:58] But as it's a

[32:00] very old

[32:01] technique used

[32:03] that when those who don't like what

[32:06] you're reporting

[32:08] uh believe it can be hurtful, then

[32:10] they'd look for the weakest spot and

[32:13] attack it, which is fair enough. It's a

[32:15] diversionary technique.

[32:16] >> You're saying that was a fair report. I

[32:18] mean, that was a You believe that report

[32:19] to this day?

[32:22] Do I believe the truth of the story?

[32:25] Absolutely.

[32:26] You uh ever thought of entertaining a

[32:28] lawsuit?

[32:33] Notice that I paused. Continue. Pregnant

[32:35] pause. No,

[32:38] I'm not going to talk about that.

[32:40] But you're not saying no. I just I'm

[32:42] being a I'm being a Dan Rather

[32:43] journalist now. You did not say no. No,

[32:46] you asked me had I ever thought about it

[32:47] and the answer is uh

[32:50] I can't say that I never thought about

[32:52] it.

[32:52] >> Okay.

[32:53] It's been reported that you refused to

[32:55] be interviewed for the upcoming PBS

[32:57] American Masters documentary on Walter

[32:59] Cronkite. Katie Couric reportedly is the

[33:01] narrator of that. Is that true? I don't

[33:03] know that Katie Couric is narrator of

[33:04] it.

[33:05] Uh here's what's true.

[33:07] Uh Walter never asked me to do that.

[33:09] That uh

[33:11] Walter Cronkite has never asked me to do

[33:13] anything that I didn't try very hard to

[33:16] do.

[33:17] Uh

[33:18] Walter never asked me to do this and

[33:21] therefore I never was in a position to

[33:22] say no to him.

[33:23] >> Oh, it's his program.

[33:25] Or is it the producer's program?

[33:28] Well, it's a program

[33:29] I don't don't know the name of the

[33:30] program, but here's the thing that if he

[33:33] had asked me to do it, I would do it. I

[33:35] think this is just somebody looking to

[33:37] try to stir something up. See, I'm sure

[33:40] it'll be a good program and I'll be

[33:41] watching. CBS has said it plans to do a

[33:43] primetime special

[33:45] about your career this fall. What do you

[33:48] think of that?

[33:49] Will you be involved?

[33:51] Uh they have said that and I don't know

[33:53] what to think about it.

[33:55] And we haven't got to the point they

[33:57] they haven't discussed it with me in any

[33:58] detail.

[34:00] So, I don't know whether I'll be

[34:01] involved or not.

[34:01] >> make you busy? Make you feel good?

[34:05] I mean, obviously it's it's going to be

[34:06] a it's going to be a salute. Well,

[34:09] I couldn't know. Do you have that in

[34:11] writing, by the way?

[34:11] >> No, I I don't know that they're doing

[34:13] it, but have you heard they're doing it?

[34:15] Uh I heard it. They told me they were

[34:17] doing it. I don't want to play it. Oh,

[34:19] and they do it and um

[34:20] but you know, my goal now is to get this

[34:22] new thing going, the HDNet thing going

[34:24] and

[34:26] if they do it, that'll be fine. A harsh

[34:28] email

[34:30] from Maxine of New Orleans. Why can't

[34:33] Dan Rather just retire gracefully? He

[34:35] gets no sympathy here.

[34:38] Well, I appreciate the lady saying that

[34:40] and she's entitled. And it's a fair

[34:41] enough question.

[34:43] Uh that I could retire,

[34:45] but I don't want to to stop doing the

[34:47] news.

[34:48] Uh news is is it's in my marrow.

[34:53] And as long as I have my health, and

[34:55] this is not something I've been saying

[34:56] since since I got reached my 70s or in

[34:58] my 60s, in my 50s. So, all my life, as

[35:00] long as I have I have my health, I want

[35:02] to be reporting somewhere. So, while I

[35:04] can respect the lady's point of view and

[35:07] smile a bit about it,

[35:09] I have to say respectfully, it's just

[35:11] not in my nature that I want to work. I

[35:13] I was raised by people who worked very

[35:15] hard

[35:17] and who loved to work hard and took joy

[35:19] in their work.

[35:20] Uh and

[35:22] I came up in that environment. That's

[35:24] the way I feel now. I can't wait to get

[35:26] to HDNet and do Dan Rather Reports

[35:30] in a environment in which ratings,

[35:33] demographics,

[35:34] uh the corporate entanglements with the

[35:37] need for legislation and regulation,

[35:41] uh all of that's behind me now. I want

[35:42] to ask you about that next after the

[35:44] break. But you mentioned loving the

[35:46] news.

[35:47] What do you mean by that? You know, as

[35:49] you get up in the morning, you you love

[35:51] the story? You love war stories? You

[35:54] love You love that? I don't love war

[35:57] stories.

[35:58] Nobody loves war stories.

[35:59] >> Most news is bad.

[36:00] >> But uh

[36:02] that's not altogether true, but it's

[36:03] another subject for another day. What do

[36:05] I mean by loving the news? You know what

[36:06] love is. There's a dictionary definition

[36:08] of love and there's inside you you know

[36:10] what you love.

[36:11] >> You know when you love it.

[36:12] >> And you know when you love it. And for

[36:14] whatever reason, I've loved the news

[36:16] since I can remember. I loved it when I

[36:19] was in elementary school. Now, do you

[36:20] know it when you watch someone if they

[36:22] love it?

[36:23] Over a period of time, I can tell. You

[36:25] can't tell it snap like that. You can't

[36:27] tell it in 15 minutes, but yeah, I think

[36:29] I can tell. Sometimes I miss. But you

[36:32] know, when when you when you love

[36:33] something, you want to continue doing

[36:35] it. Now, we're talking about work. If

[36:37] you love to play the piano, if you love

[36:39] to dance,

[36:40] I love to report. And I I want to do

[36:43] news that matters.

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[39:00] calls, but first I did ask you and I

[39:02] just over skipped over the answer of who

[39:06] who was your strong rock, who stood by

[39:08] you when this happened. I mean,

[39:11] where did where where did comfort come

[39:13] from?

[39:14] Well, my wife Jean

[39:16] and

[39:17] my children and grandchildren. I think

[39:19] this is true of most people who go

[39:20] through

[39:22] whatever trouble. Having said that,

[39:25] I I don't I didn't consider it a

[39:27] particularly difficult time. You didn't?

[39:29] No.

[39:30] Uh partly because I did have a lot of

[39:32] support and partly because I had in

[39:33] context and I always talk about

[39:35] reporting needs more context and

[39:36] perspective and more depth and I tried

[39:38] to apply to my situations that you'd

[39:41] uh compared with most people,

[39:43] uh uh

[39:44] you're among the luckiest guys on the

[39:46] planet. Sure. And I particularly feel

[39:48] that, um since I signed this new

[39:50] arrangement with Mark Cuban and HDNet.

[39:52] What is that deal?

[39:54] Uh

[39:55] it has three parts. First and foremost,

[39:57] I'm to do a 1-hour

[39:59] weekly uh

[40:01] news program

[40:02] in which I have creative and editorial

[40:04] control.

[40:06] Complete and total do what I want to do.

[40:09] Uh that we hope to make a combination of

[40:11] hard news field reports, investigative

[40:13] stories,

[40:14] uh and interviews.

[40:16] You know, I I love to

[40:18] I would like to do interviews, Larry, as

[40:20] well as you do them. I I'd like to do

[40:22] interviews that

[40:23] that

[40:24] with a combination of doing your

[40:26] homework and good common sense that you

[40:28] ask the kind of questions that people

[40:31] sitting in their living room watching TV

[40:32] shout at the TV set when the news

[40:35] program is on saying, "Why don't you ask

[40:36] him this question? Why don't you ask him

[40:38] that question?"

[40:39] And I I think I can have some fun with

[40:41] it, but most importantly, I'd like to

[40:42] make a contribution. I know that it may

[40:44] strike some people as

[40:46] um trite and corny, but I really feel

[40:48] it.

[40:48] >> What are the other parts? Uh the other

[40:50] part uh of this arrangement are I'm to

[40:52] do at least two documentaries a year.

[40:55] Once we get up and rolling, we might be

[40:56] able to do more, but two a year.

[40:58] And

[41:00] uh if I can contribute anything to their

[41:02] movie business,

[41:04] um then

[41:05] uh they're eager to hear it. They have

[41:08] uh they well, uh they helped produce

[41:10] Good Night and Good Luck.

[41:12] Um they had a very good run of movies.

[41:15] Now, what I know about the movie

[41:16] business could be written on the stomach

[41:18] of a germ, and I'm not sure

[41:20] that I can contribute very much, but

[41:21] those are the three parts of it. Now,

[41:23] what is the HDNet work?

[41:25] Well, the HDNet is HD is high def.

[41:29] Uh but I mean, where is it seen?

[41:31] Uh if you have a high def television

[41:33] set,

[41:34] uh which the day is coming when

[41:36] if not everybody, almost everybody will

[41:38] have a high def television set,

[41:40] uh because the the image is so much

[41:43] sharper. There's only 30 channels there

[41:45] now in HD. You're one of the 30. Uh

[41:48] they have two, but the HDNet is one, and

[41:52] by far the best of the group for reasons

[41:55] that we can go into another time. But if

[41:57] you have when when you get a high def

[41:59] television set,

[42:01] uh

[42:02] and you then call your cable subscriber

[42:05] or your satellite provider, and they

[42:07] take it the rest of the way. Can you see

[42:08] it in other areas? I mean,

[42:11] you must have HD to see this.

[42:13] Yes. Okay. It's a high definition. So,

[42:15] you're going to have a much lower

[42:17] audience to start than you're used to.

[42:19] Well, that's true. But

[42:21] at this time, I'm more interested in

[42:24] in the quality

[42:26] of what we do

[42:28] than the quantity

[42:30] that we get to watch it.

[42:32] Uh that I'm I'm very eager to get to it,

[42:35] Larry, because the new technology,

[42:38] not just high def,

[42:40] also what's happening in the internet,

[42:43] the new technology can make news so much

[42:45] better

[42:47] than it's been. I'm eager to get to it

[42:49] and explore ways to use the new

[42:50] technology to news use the new ways Did

[42:53] Mark Cuban contact you?

[42:56] Um a mutual friend Put you together?

[42:59] >> acquaintance uh put us together. That I

[43:02] Look, I was looking for the next

[43:03] generation

[43:05] uh of investors

[43:08] uh who

[43:09] understood news, understood what it took

[43:11] to back a news operation in in the

[43:13] tradition of Bill Paley, what he did in

[43:15] the late

[43:17] 20s, early 30s, and on into the 40s and

[43:19] 50s, what Ted Turner did.

[43:21] And when people say to me, "Well, HDNet,

[43:24] you know, I don't know high definition."

[43:25] I can remember when they said it about

[43:26] CNN. They said, "Oh, it's a noodle

[43:28] network. It's not going to amount to

[43:29] anything. Ted Turner's a wild man."

[43:32] Well, here we are in 2006, and we see

[43:35] where they are. I believe in the future

[43:37] of high definition television, and

[43:39] uh I also want to do something uh online

[43:43] in the internet world. I'm not sure what

[43:45] that will be, but I want to do that. You

[43:46] ain't going away.

[43:49] Well, uh with God's grace, I won't be

[43:51] going away.

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[46:33] Had a call waiting a while. Let's take

[46:35] it Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Hello. Good

[46:37] evening, Larry. It's wonderful to see

[46:39] two great broadcasters on the program

[46:42] tonight. Uh Dan, I have two quick

[46:44] questions for you. One

[46:46] is, do you feel cheated by the way CBS

[46:48] treated you by the outcome of what you

[46:50] reported? And my second question is, who

[46:54] do or did you uh admire or is your

[46:58] mentor in broadcasting?

[47:00] Well, as to the first, uh

[47:03] we've spoken about it here. Uh do I feel

[47:05] cheated? Uh no.

[47:08] Uh as to the second,

[47:10] of uh

[47:11] I've always admired Edward R. Murrow,

[47:12] and not just since the film the recent

[47:15] film has been made. Uh you know, I

[47:17] consider him to be the platinum

[47:18] standard.

[47:19] That when he died, Eric Sevareid, who uh

[47:22] was also a mentor of and great help to

[47:25] me, said of Murrow,

[47:27] um

[47:28] he was a shooting star. We're not likely

[47:30] to see

[47:31] his kind anytime soon. Well, I doubt

[47:34] that we ever see him again. But he set

[47:36] such a high standard that, you know, I

[47:37] know

[47:38] >> No one can reach that. I I can't meet

[47:39] that standard. But those are the answers

[47:41] to questions.

[47:42] I always with Murrow, I admired him, but

[47:44] I have many people in journalism uh that

[47:47] that I admire.

[47:48] And I admire young people younger

[47:51] correspondents. Let's face it, Larry,

[47:52] they're all younger now at CBS News that

[47:54] I worked with that I'm glad I didn't

[47:56] have to compete against. What do you

[47:57] think of our John Roberts?

[47:59] Who we got from CBS. John Roberts is

[48:01] first-rate help.

[48:03] What did you When you left the office

[48:04] the last day, did you clear out

[48:06] everything? Did you

[48:08] Did you have mementos? What did you

[48:10] take? I've never been a great memento

[48:13] saver, but I had a few.

[48:15] But um

[48:16] basically, I left, and um

[48:19] someone who works with me cleaned out

[48:21] the rest of it. But let's don't over

[48:22] dramatize this. I I

[48:24] I don't want to do that.

[48:27] We have an email from Kathy Strauch of

[48:29] Lith of Linthicum, Maryland, who asked,

[48:32] "Do you think mainstream media news will

[48:34] continue to be most people's primary

[48:36] news source with the proliferation of

[48:38] blogs and other non-mainstream sources?"

[48:42] No, I don't.

[48:44] Uh that I think as time goes along, that

[48:46] there'll always be a place for what we

[48:47] now call, quote, mainstream media.

[48:51] Um

[48:52] I can't see ahead, you know, my crystal

[48:54] ball is permanently in the hock shop.

[48:57] But in terms of looking ahead, it seems

[48:59] inevitable to me

[49:00] uh that things are moving so swiftly

[49:03] with the new technology, not just high

[49:05] definition, which I've cast my lot with

[49:07] high definition television, but with the

[49:09] internet and the new technologies,

[49:12] uh it'll be value added provided

[49:15] uh we think about it and answer to our

[49:18] best instincts instead of our base

[49:20] instincts.

[49:21] Gail Shister in today's Philadelphia

[49:23] Inquirer, well, I guess you know pretty

[49:25] well. She's been around a long time. She

[49:27] quotes Tom Brokaw as describing your

[49:29] exit from CBS as a train wreck you could

[49:33] see coming for months.

[49:36] What do you make of that? I don't quite

[49:37] know what to make of it. I did read that

[49:39] you said she's a very good reporter. I

[49:41] have no doubt about it. But while we're

[49:42] talking about Tom Brokaw, I've noticed

[49:44] that uh he's catching some flak about

[49:47] this

[49:48] in documentary on the environment that

[49:50] he's done, and I don't want to miss an

[49:52] opportunity uh to back him. I haven't

[49:55] seen the documentary, but I know that

[49:56] Tom Brokaw is a first-rate journalist,

[49:58] and accusations by people who haven't

[50:00] even seen it

[50:01] uh that he was unfair and inaccurate. I

[50:04] think you can put it in the the general

[50:06] heading, and it happens regularly when

[50:08] you don't report the news the way some

[50:10] people in power want you to report it.

[50:12] They're going to try to make you pay a

[50:13] price for it. And my my support for Tom

[50:16] is complete in this. Something you were

[50:17] attacked about a lot, right? Well,

[50:20] >> And they called Dan Rather at CBS the

[50:22] liberal network, right? Yeah.

[50:24] Well, they call you names when when you

[50:27] insist on being independent.

[50:30] Larry, I think it's so important for the

[50:31] public to understand it's not important

[50:33] for Dan Rather, but not important people

[50:35] who have made a lot of money and got

[50:37] more credit than they deserve, which I

[50:39] have over the years, but it's important

[50:40] for American people to understand

[50:43] that a and a journalist or journalistic

[50:47] enterprise that's willing to be truly

[50:50] independent and fiercely independent

[50:52] when called upon

[50:54] and and dedicated to pulling no punches

[50:57] and playing no favorites

[50:59] have become in recent years a bit of an

[51:01] endangered species. And it's not for

[51:04] their sake, it's not for journalists'

[51:05] sake, but for the sake of the country.

[51:07] You want journalists knocking on doors

[51:09] and saying, "What's going on in there?"

[51:10] Now,

[51:12] journalism is a is a human endeavor,

[51:15] and nobody can do it perfectly.

[51:16] Certainly I didn't do it perfectly. A

[51:18] lot of people think I did it

[51:19] maliciously. Maybe I did. And I've got

[51:21] my scars, I've got my wounds. And yes,

[51:24] people always want to put a

[51:25] a sign around you and call you something

[51:27] bad if you refuse to report the news the

[51:30] way they want it reported. I had my

[51:32] difficulties with Lyndon Johnson, with

[51:36] with certainly with Richard Nixon, with

[51:38] President Carter. Uh it's in the nature

[51:40] that if you're an independent-minded

[51:42] journalist,

[51:44] then people who want have a highly

[51:46] politically partisan and/or ideological

[51:49] point of view,

[51:51] what they come at you with is saying,

[51:53] "Listen, if you don't report the news

[51:55] the way we want you to report it, we're

[51:57] going to make you pay a price, and we'll

[51:59] damage you badly, and if we can destroy

[52:01] you, we'll destroy you." Now, this is

[52:03] important for the public to understand.

[52:06] And

[52:07] forgive the personal reference if you

[52:08] must,

[52:09] but CBS News has a history.

[52:12] Edward R. Murrow took on uh Senator

[52:14] McCarthy and what he stood for.

[52:17] Uh

[52:18] he took on with Harvest of Shame

[52:21] uh in a great documentary about the

[52:23] poor. Then CBS News led with civil

[52:25] rights, led in coverage of the Vietnam

[52:27] War, led in coverage of the only

[52:30] president in history who resigned as an

[52:32] unindicted co-conspirator in a

[52:34] widespread criminal conspiracy. Now,

[52:37] when you're a reporter taking

[52:39] involved in those kinds of stories on a

[52:41] regular basis, there are people in

[52:43] there, powerful people who say,

[52:45] "We got to get rid of this guy, or we

[52:47] have to have this guy. We got to damage

[52:49] him up." And that's when they start

[52:50] hanging the signs around you. We'll be

[52:52] back with our remaining moments with Dan

[52:54] Rather, who ain't going away. Don't go

[52:55] away.

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[55:24] >> [music]

[55:30] [music]

[55:35] [snorts]

[55:39] >> One of the things we'll miss from Dan on

[55:41] CBS is that rather turn of phrase. We

[55:44] pulled together a few moments from

[55:45] election night 2000. Watch.

[55:49] Back at CBS News election headquarters

[55:51] in New York, this much tension you can't

[55:53] cut with a saw. It requires a blowtorch.

[55:56] Bush is sweeping through the South like

[55:57] a tornado through a trailer park. His

[55:59] lead is now shakier than cafeteria

[56:01] Jell-O. Turn the lights down, the party

[56:03] just got wilder. That will have the Bush

[56:05] people in Austin jumping out of their

[56:07] seats like they were stabbed with

[56:08] hatpins, but close only counts with hand

[56:10] grenades and horseshoes. [music]

[56:12] Under the journalist's creed of you

[56:14] trust your mother, but you cut the

[56:15] cards, and you check it out, I'm going

[56:16] to double-check whether that's true.

[56:18] Mark it if you will. If you're in the

[56:19] kitchen, Mabel, come back in the front

[56:21] room. 145 for Gore. If Gore comes back

[56:25] now, it'd have to be rated as one of the

[56:26] greatest comebacks since Lazarus. But

[56:28] well, I'll tell [laughter] you, when it

[56:29] comes to reporting a race like this, I'm

[56:31] a long-distance runner and an all-day

[56:33] hunter. And I'll be here because this is

[56:35] just too good to miss.

[56:38] Those things come naturally to you,

[56:40] right? You whip out

[56:41] >> [laughter]

[56:41] >> like a Ross Perot.

[56:43] Well, election night's a long night, you

[56:45] know. And you always like to keep it

[56:46] interesting. Did you have Did you have

[56:48] fun doing that? Did you like election

[56:49] night? I love election nights, Larry. I

[56:51] love covering politics. And and election

[56:54] nights are, you know, something special.

[56:56] And who would not have wanted to cover

[56:58] Who would not have wanted to be in the

[56:59] anchor chair on election night 2000?

[57:01] How'd you like being a White House

[57:03] correspondent? Loved it. My problem

[57:06] if it is a problem, is I loved it all. I

[57:08] never walked through the White House

[57:09] gates not a single day I covered the

[57:11] White House for 10 years almost total.

[57:15] I never walked through those gates a

[57:16] single morning that I didn't say to

[57:18] myself, "This is an honor." Good luck to

[57:20] you, Dan. We'll be seeing lots of you.

[57:22] Thanks, Larry.

[57:23] >> Have you back when the show starts, too.

[57:24] >> Well, I

[57:25] I'll hold you to that.

[57:27] Dan Rather. One last note before we go.

[57:28] Tomorrow night, Jimmy Kimmel Jimmy

[57:30] Kimmel will be here, and Owen Wilson,

[57:32] too, from his new movie You, Me, and

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[57:45] They'll all answer your emails. So, if

[57:46] you have a question for Jimmy, Owen, or

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