Katie Zacharia out as White House press secretary after only 5 days
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[0:00] When we see it, you see it. That's the
[0:02] breaking news mission of CBS News 247.
[0:04] You see Katie Zachariah there just days
[0:06] ago tapped to debut as President Trump's
[0:08] mouthpiece to the press. She's out. So
[0:12] to talk about exactly how this happened,
[0:14] let's go back to the White House. Chief
[0:17] White House correspondent Nancy Cordis
[0:19] joins me to continue this conversation.
[0:21] Okay, not many days into the job and I
[0:24] cannot imagine that this is seen by the
[0:26] Trump administration as anything but a
[0:27] liability when Republicans are trying to
[0:29] hold on to power leading up to the
[0:31] midterms.
[0:33] >> Right. It's definitely a distraction. Uh
[0:36] it definitely uh you know conveys an air
[0:40] of uh chaos that White House staffers
[0:42] would not like to see just a few weeks
[0:45] before election day. And in this case,
[0:48] uh it has been reported that the
[0:50] president kind of went outside the
[0:52] normal uh practice when it came to
[0:54] vetting candidates and then hiring them.
[0:57] Uh basically offered the job to her on
[1:00] his own uh without talking to his White
[1:03] House chief of staff. He said that she
[1:05] was someone he saw on TV before, he
[1:07] really liked. He's watched her for a
[1:09] long time and he thinks that she is
[1:11] great. Um, but it appears that he has
[1:14] changed his mind. Though, what he told
[1:15] us on the White House South lawn a short
[1:18] time ago is that he told Katie Zachariah
[1:21] that uh she just doesn't need any of
[1:23] this, that the fake news is being too
[1:25] hard on her, that even some of his own
[1:27] allies in the press are being too hard
[1:28] on her, and that she's got a beautiful
[1:30] family that she might want to go back to
[1:33] instead. And yet it was the news that
[1:36] dug into the truth of this and that is
[1:38] the allegation that perhaps Katie
[1:40] Zachariah had misrepresented herself to
[1:42] the American people as an attorney. I
[1:45] can talk about that for a little while,
[1:46] but to my producers in the back, do we
[1:48] have that sound where Nancy was standing
[1:50] there and she was a part of that press
[1:53] group that asked the president where her
[1:55] law degree came from? Are we able to
[1:56] pull that up? If not, Nancy and I can
[1:58] talk about it all day long. Okay, so
[2:00] Nancy, maybe repaint that while we ceue
[2:02] up that sound. what happened out there.
[2:06] >> Sure. Well, I should say at this outset,
[2:07] I think there were two main issues for
[2:09] Zachariah uh that led to her
[2:11] transitioning out of this role. One of
[2:13] them was uh you know those questions
[2:15] that started on day one about her law
[2:17] degree. And the other one has to do with
[2:18] her performance both in a few interviews
[2:21] uh in the last couple of days and uh at
[2:24] the White House uh briefing room podium.
[2:26] But let's start with the questions about
[2:28] her law degree. So, uh, her very first
[2:30] day on the job right before her, uh, her
[2:33] first press conference, uh, Jud Leum,
[2:37] who, uh, runs a an outlet called a
[2:39] Popular Information, a left-wing
[2:42] publication, he reported that he had
[2:44] basically, uh, looked into all 50 states
[2:48] and couldn't find any,
[2:50] uh, confirmation that Zachariah actually
[2:53] had passed the bar exam in any state,
[2:56] which was surprising because she had
[2:57] described herself for many years as a
[2:59] lawyer. She had described herself as
[3:01] general counsel to a nonprofit and the
[3:04] president in welcoming her to the job
[3:07] had described her as an attorney. Um,
[3:09] and so that led to a lot of questions as
[3:12] you mentioned, including on the White
[3:14] House South Lawn where reporters asked
[3:16] the president uh where she had passed
[3:19] the bar exam. He seemed startled. He
[3:21] didn't really know. He turned around,
[3:22] she was right behind him and said,
[3:25] "Where did you pass the bar?" and she
[3:27] said,"I went to China." And then a bunch
[3:29] of us asked her directly, "But where'd
[3:30] you pass the bar exam?" And she just
[3:32] said again, "I went to China." Um,
[3:36] basically signaling that she hadn't been
[3:37] able to take or pass the bar exam
[3:39] because she had moved to China right
[3:40] after she graduated from law school. Uh,
[3:43] but that didn't answer the central
[3:44] question of why she had called herself a
[3:47] lawyer and general counsel in the first
[3:49] place. She tried to clean that up in
[3:51] some subsequent interviews um most
[3:54] notably with Sean Hannity on Fox last
[3:56] night. He seemed uh quite skeptical uh
[3:59] about her answers and that was notable
[4:01] because he is someone who has President
[4:04] Trump's ear.
[4:05] >> Okay. So, often times we in the media by
[4:08] the Trump administration get called and
[4:10] labeled that fake news. You just retold
[4:12] it. But now we're going to let the
[4:13] viewers judge for themselves. Let's
[4:14] watch what Nancy just brought to life.
[4:18] >> How'd she do? Who?
[4:20] >> For new project.
[4:20] >> Oh, I bet she did excellent. I bet she
[4:22] was very good.
[4:23] >> You said she's an attorney. Where did
[4:24] she pass the bar exam? Which state?
[4:26] >> Which state?
[4:28] >> In China.
[4:30] >> Where did you pass the bar?
[4:36] >> In China. Okay. So, Nancy, that is how
[4:40] that played out. But then, you know, in
[4:42] the spirit of fairness, let's talk about
[4:43] some of the way Katie was given when
[4:46] subsequent interviews happened. given a
[4:49] chance to explain herself. Can we go
[4:50] ahead and roll that as well?
[4:56] >> I consulted for a very long time. Uh
[4:59] many people in the field is it okay and
[5:02] acceptable if I label myself lawyer, not
[5:05] attorney at law, not Katie Zach
[5:07] Zachariah Esquire, but lawyer and
[5:10] provide legal analysis, not legal
[5:12] advice. And they said absol absolutely
[5:15] across the board. You can call yourself
[5:17] a lawyer. The truth is is I was very
[5:19] careful how I executed this and I never
[5:21] came across as someone who was an
[5:23] attorney at law.
[5:24] >> It's my understanding from our prior
[5:26] conversation that when she talks about
[5:28] people who said yes, go ahead and call
[5:29] yourself a lawyer. She was saying
[5:31] Pepperdine, no.
[5:34] >> That's what she said in one of her
[5:36] interviews about this topic. Yes. That
[5:37] those were the people that she consulted
[5:39] who said, "Yeah, you're fine to call
[5:40] yourself a lawyer. You graduated from
[5:42] law school, but you shouldn't call
[5:43] yourself an attorney." And that is
[5:45] something that is you know uh that that
[5:48] I I don't believe that that's a uniform
[5:50] view across the legal profession. There
[5:52] are many who would say that the terms
[5:54] lawyer and attorney are interchangeable
[5:58] >> and I would be interested to see what
[6:00] the response will be no doubt from
[6:01] Pepperdine who has quite a program there
[6:04] as to whether that characterization
[6:05] actually holds water. Of course, the
[6:08] interface between the White House uh
[6:11] communications director in and the media
[6:14] is something that is always so
[6:17] important, especially in times of
[6:18] national crisis, right? Moments of
[6:20] consequence. And that is why so many
[6:24] people have asked this question. It's
[6:25] not as the president alleges out of a
[6:27] spirit of meanness. It is because the
[6:29] truth matters.
[6:33] And I have to tell you the the job of
[6:35] White House press secretary is an
[6:37] incredibly difficult job. Not only uh
[6:41] you know do you have to be prepared for
[6:43] questions about anything and everything
[6:45] under the sun because you don't know
[6:47] what reporters are going to ask about
[6:48] you. You try to prepare and your staff
[6:51] tries to prepare you for every possible
[6:53] question. But you know there are there
[6:55] are national outlets, international
[6:57] outlets, uh you know every kind of
[7:00] question comes at you. So it requires a
[7:03] lot of preparation. It often requires uh
[7:05] sort of years in that policy millu just
[7:08] so you have this baseline comfort level
[7:11] with with you know current events and
[7:13] and major policy discussions at the
[7:16] White House and on Capitol Hill. uh it
[7:18] requires you to understand the principle
[7:21] and that I mean the president uh
[7:23] understand him very well and what he
[7:25] would like you to say and what he would
[7:27] say himself if he were at that podium
[7:29] and it's particularly difficult when you
[7:31] are press secretary for President Trump
[7:34] in uh in particular because he is
[7:37] someone who uh himself changes his views
[7:40] from one day to the next. He will, you
[7:42] know, just look at, for example, his
[7:44] position on live streaming this um
[7:47] execution of the Fort Hood shooter. Last
[7:49] week, he said he had signed off on it.
[7:52] Yesterday, he said, "Actually, we're not
[7:54] going to go ahead with it because there
[7:55] are a lot of very good people who don't
[7:57] want to watch that." So, um, President
[7:59] Trump's views aren't always static. And
[8:01] so, as press secretary, you have to be
[8:02] really nimble, really know what he would
[8:05] like you to say at any moment. And so,
[8:08] um, you know, she was really thrown into
[8:10] this role. Uh she was not someone who
[8:12] was on the White House staff before a
[8:15] few days ago. She flew to Washington DC.
[8:18] Um and she said herself on Fox that she
[8:20] really didn't have much time to sort of
[8:22] study up for the kinds of questions that
[8:25] she was going to be asked for the first
[8:26] time on Tuesday morning.
[8:28] >> It is a tough job. And now this is going
[8:30] to be a tough chapter for Zachariah. To
[8:32] the president's point, she does have a
[8:34] family, right? She has a family back in
[8:35] California who still hadn't moved their
[8:37] moving boxes across the country to
[8:38] Washington DC. No doubt a very difficult
[8:41] day for her and her family. Nancy
[8:44] Cordis, I appreciate so much the
[8:45] opportunity to continue the conversation
[8:47] there from the White House. Of course,
[8:49] we'll have continuing coverage right
[8:51] here on CBS News 247 and on the CBS
[8:54] Evening News with Tony Dopal.