CNN - Iraq War - 2003-03-20 - 12 midnight (E)
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[0:01] was underway and made clear that it was
[0:04] simply that the opening stages of what
[0:06] will be a broad attack that will begin
[0:09] sometime down the road. Christian
[0:11] Amanpor and Wolf Blitz are in both in
[0:14] Kuwait City. This will be a central and
[0:16] important place over the next several
[0:18] days.
[0:22] >> Go ahead, Christian
[0:23] >> Wolf. um and Aram. Let's talk a little
[0:26] bit about the allies of the United
[0:28] States, Britain and Spain. We have been
[0:30] told and certainly why reports are
[0:32] saying that Prime Minister Tony Blair
[0:35] was awoken or at least informed after
[0:37] midnight British time that these attacks
[0:40] had been brought forward. We're not sure
[0:42] whether this was a surprise to him or
[0:44] not, but what we do know is consistent
[0:46] with what our reporters Jamie McIntyre
[0:49] and others from the Pentagon have been
[0:50] saying. We believe that the British had
[0:52] not expected the full uh initial launch
[0:55] of this war to begin uh right after the
[0:58] deadline and uh we are not sure when or
[1:01] whether we're going to hear from Tony
[1:02] Blair or indeed people at the British
[1:04] defense ministry. So far they have given
[1:07] no statement about what's going on. We
[1:09] understand that in Spain the prime
[1:11] minister of Spain Aznar who is also an
[1:13] ally in this campaign although has not
[1:15] committed military forces is also going
[1:17] to address his people. Uh as we know of
[1:20] course today there have been several
[1:21] activities out here in terms of military
[1:23] activities. Uh US forces and British
[1:26] forces have attacked artillery batteries
[1:28] inside southern Iraq. Those which were
[1:31] deemed to be threatening either to US
[1:33] and British forces a raid now in the
[1:35] demilitarized zone there or indeed
[1:37] against uh Kuwait itself, neighboring
[1:39] Kuwait. And also what we've been
[1:41] reporting for much of this day was that
[1:44] 17 Iraqi soldiers had surrendered
[1:46] according to US uh officials and
[1:48] apparently that being an at least a
[1:51] small victory so far for the American
[1:54] SCO ops operation which has been
[1:56] underway for so long and with so many
[1:58] millions of leaflets that have been
[1:59] dropped on the forces there urging them
[2:01] not to fight
[2:02] >> and whether or not those SCOPS those
[2:04] psychological operations the leafitting
[2:06] of those millions of leaflets have an
[2:09] impact in convincing Iraqi troops to
[2:11] give up, if you will, obviously remains
[2:14] to be seen. I want to bring in CNA's
[2:16] Kira Phillips. She's aboard the USS
[2:18] Abraham Lincoln, an aircraft carrier uh
[2:21] in the Persian Gulf. Kira, tell our
[2:23] viewers what you can about what you're
[2:25] seeing and what they're doing aboard
[2:26] that carrier right now.
[2:30] >> All right, Wolf, I can barely hear you,
[2:32] but uh I'm going to try and give you as
[2:34] much information as possible right now.
[2:36] I can tell you that I can confirm that
[2:38] Operation Southern Watch is over. Right
[2:41] now, the strike fighters here on USS
[2:43] Abraham Lincoln and other supporting
[2:46] aircraft are in support of Operation
[2:48] Iraqi Freedom. Earlier, uh about within
[2:51] 45 minutes ago, we showed you F-14s, the
[2:54] F-14 Tomcats launching off the carrier.
[2:58] Those pilots indeed in support of
[3:00] Operation Iraqi Freedom. Now, this
[3:02] conflict with Iraq is moving quicker.
[3:04] The tempo is building up right now.
[3:07] You're seeing a shot of an F-18 getting
[3:10] ready uh to uh launch off the US Abraham
[3:12] Lincoln here. As you can see, it's an
[3:14] integration of a number of squadrons.
[3:16] The first to go were the F-14s. Now, the
[3:18] F-18s are starting to get into the mix.
[3:21] Very interesting thing I might want to
[3:22] point here out on the F-18. You might be
[3:25] able to pick it out, and that is the
[3:26] bunker uh busters. Uh a lot of talk
[3:29] about the weaponry used uh in this
[3:32] conflict with Iraq. a lot of concern
[3:34] about collateral damage. Therefore, a
[3:36] lot of effort has been put into JDAM and
[3:39] GPUs and bunker busters. The hope is
[3:42] once these strikes take place.
[3:46] Do I still have you? I Wolf, do I still
[3:49] have
[3:50] >> Go ahead. Go ahead, Kira.
[3:54] >> I You still have me? Okay. Thank you.
[3:56] I'm hearing a little interference. I'm
[3:59] hearing There we go. I'm hearing a
[4:00] little interference and I apologize for
[4:01] that. I want to make sure that I'm still
[4:03] with you here. Uh once again, the
[4:05] concentration on uh uh uh special
[4:08] weaponry, precise weaponry, so that they
[4:11] will hit their targets and the explosion
[4:13] will be in more of a contained manner
[4:15] versus a wider type of explosion with
[4:18] the risk of hurting innocent civilians.
[4:20] Therefore, that's why you're seeing the
[4:22] bunker busters, a type of weapon on the
[4:24] F-18s that could drop deep and explode
[4:27] uh deep within the earth. Uh on the
[4:30] F-14s, the strike fighters uh that took
[4:33] off about 45 minutes ago, they've got
[4:36] JDAM, GPSG guided uh bombs. This is a
[4:39] new asset to the F-14 uh Tomcatterers
[4:42] here on the USS Abraham Lincoln. As you
[4:44] know, those bombs can drop through any
[4:46] type of weather, haze, dust, anything
[4:48] that could affect the laser bombs, the
[4:50] LGB laser guided bombs. That's the other
[4:52] type of weapons uh that the F-14s have.
[4:56] Now, as uh the F-18 squadron gets ready
[4:59] to integrate with the strike fighters
[5:01] that are already out there, I can tell
[5:02] you uh within hours, we can see up to uh
[5:06] more than 100 aircraft in the air
[5:09] depending uh how the tempo progresses. I
[5:12] can tell you that a number of Iraqi
[5:14] threats, strike fighter pilots told me
[5:16] they've been training for, paying
[5:18] attention to, uh intelligence coming
[5:20] into them. Uh plenty of time, of course,
[5:23] to observe US patterns. the Rockies have
[5:25] had plenty of time. So, the element of
[5:27] surprise, as you can see, we're all
[5:29] surprised that this happened so quickly
[5:31] and is happening uh in a manner which
[5:33] obviously nobody really expected. Even
[5:36] the squadrons here are learning by the
[5:38] minute how this campaign is unfolding.
[5:40] Uh I can tell you Iraqi threat sand,
[5:43] surfacetoair missiles, the strike
[5:45] fighter pilots will be paying close
[5:46] attention to that. Also, old Soviet
[5:49] fighters, the big 25, a very uh favorite
[5:52] aircraft uh with the Iraqi regime.
[5:54] They've been moving a lot of things
[5:56] around, we are told uh the Iraqis have
[5:59] there's a lot of dispersal that's been
[6:00] taking place. So, the object in this
[6:03] campaign, of course, is to be able to
[6:04] try and follow where all that movement
[6:06] is and be able to hit targets uh uh
[6:09] right on uh right on top of the targets.
[6:12] AAA fire uh another concern uh for
[6:14] strike fighter pilots. will be paying
[6:16] attention to that once they're airborne.
[6:18] Now, of course, the perfect case
[6:20] scenario here was that Saddam Hussein uh
[6:23] would uh surrender. That obviously has
[6:26] not been the case uh at this point. Um
[6:30] sorry, I'm getting information uh as I'm
[6:33] talking to you here. Are you still with
[6:35] me, Wolfe?
[6:37] I am. Cara, I just want to uh update our
[6:39] viewers. Hold on one second. You were
[6:41] talking about something very significant
[6:43] uh with the president formally
[6:45] announcing the start of what is now
[6:47] being called Operation Iraqi Freedom.
[6:49] But you what you note that the Southern
[6:52] Watch, Operation Southern Watch,
[6:53] Operation Northern Watch have ended.
[6:56] Those are the two nofly zone operations
[6:59] patrolling the no-fly zone in the south
[7:01] patrolling the no-fly zone in the north.
[7:03] That's been going on for nearly a dozen
[7:05] years. The Iraqis can't launch any kind
[7:07] of aircraft in that southern no-fly zone
[7:10] or the northern no-fly zone. By and
[7:13] large, US aircraft carriers in the
[7:15] Persian Gulf, as well as bases, the
[7:17] Prince Sultana air base in Saudi Arabia,
[7:19] as well as the Insurlic air base in
[7:21] Turkey responsible for launching US and
[7:23] British warplanes to patrol the northern
[7:26] and southern no-fly zones. Kira Phillips
[7:28] once again aboard the USS Abraham
[7:31] Lincoln, one of five aircraft carriers
[7:33] now in the vicinity now participation in
[7:36] Operation Iraqi Freedom. If you're still
[7:38] there, Kira, go ahead. Tell us what you
[7:40] have.
[7:43] >> All right, Wolf, are we Am I back with
[7:45] you, Wolf?
[7:51] >> Kira's obviously not hearing me or we're
[7:53] not hearing her. We are seeing these
[7:55] live pictures via video phone from the
[7:57] USS Abraham Lincoln, an aircraft carrier
[8:00] in the Persian Gulf. US war plananes
[8:03] taking off F-14 Tomcats, F-18s getting
[8:07] ready to participate in this uh in this
[8:09] operation Iraqi Freedom, which is the
[8:12] name of the US military operation
[8:15] together with the British, a small
[8:16] Australian contingent as well. Aaron,
[8:20] >> thank you. It's just past midnight, 8
[8:23] midnight in the east. A new day here in
[8:25] the United States, a day that we expect
[8:27] to unfold dramatically, but precisely
[8:31] how is impossible now to know. Uh we do
[8:34] know that Operation Iraqi Freedom is
[8:37] underway. We began to see that early
[8:40] earlier this evening, 9:40 or so this
[8:42] evening when Nick Robertson reported it.
[8:44] Nick, what is it like in Baghdad now?
[8:49] >> I think day
[8:51] And let's pay attention to that. Repeat
[8:55] the president, the leader, the fighter,
[8:58] Saddam Hussein, may God protect him and
[9:01] who is victorious,
[9:03] will shortly address
[9:08] with a speech, with an important speech
[9:10] in this fighting day, in this great day.
[9:15] And let us pay attention to that.
[9:21] announcing that Saddam Hussein will
[9:23] shortly
[9:25] uh will shortly go on TV. And these are
[9:27] the pictures that is what Iraqi Iraqi
[9:29] TV. I don't know if we can get back to
[9:31] that. Um it is in in a sense a sort of
[9:34] remarkable scene that that normal TV
[9:37] programming is going on in Iraq as they
[9:39] await uh the president of the country to
[9:41] announce that the country has been
[9:42] attacked by the United States. Nick
[9:44] Robertson, are you able to hear me now?
[9:47] hear you just fine. Indeed, the U
[9:50] broadcaster giving the message that
[9:52] President Saddam Hussein will speak
[9:53] shortly that's been playing here a
[9:55] number of times this morning. For about
[9:57] the last 40 minutes, that same message
[10:00] is being played out and broadcast to
[10:02] Iraqis here that their leader will
[10:04] broadcast a message to them s soon. Just
[10:08] as we were talking before the air raid
[10:10] siren here went off again, I saw some
[10:12] people hurrying to get off the streets
[10:15] here. There are not many people around
[10:16] at the moment, but that was just 15
[10:19] minutes be uh after the all clear going
[10:21] off, the air ra siren going off uh and
[10:24] some people hurrying to get off the
[10:26] streets. Aaron, although right now
[10:28] nothing appears to be happening.
[10:30] >> Uh Nick, our reporting uh from the
[10:33] Pentagon, from the region is that um
[10:37] nothing major, the major roll out of
[10:40] Operation Iraqi Freedom um is is not
[10:43] going to happen yet. And uh earlier um
[10:47] General Clark, I believe it was, talked
[10:49] about the value of starting in at night
[10:51] um in in the darkness. And we're a long
[10:53] way from that. It's just early morning
[10:54] now uh in in Iraq right now. Um earlier,
[10:59] a short time ago, not not very long ago,
[11:01] in New York, the Iraqi ambassador to the
[11:04] United Nations, uh talked to reporters
[11:07] um
[11:09] how odd it must be to be the country's
[11:12] representative in the United States when
[11:14] the United States has just attacked your
[11:16] country. Uh but this is what he had to
[11:18] say earlier uh in New York.
[11:20] We'll do our best to uh contact uh uh to
[11:26] tackle this matter within the United
[11:28] Nation and with the security council.
[11:31] >> What will be the next step to do that
[11:32] then?
[11:33] >> Hopefully tomorrow we will start that uh
[11:35] >> will exactly exactly what would you try
[11:37] and
[11:38] >> well well you know just uh uh perhaps we
[11:41] have to send a letter there to to the
[11:44] president of the security council and to
[11:46] the secretary general.
[11:48] You know this is a breach of peace. Uh
[11:52] so uh we have to ask them to uh
[11:56] otherwise uh we can do nothing new. Me
[11:59] myself I can I can do nothing.
[12:01] >> I have just to tell the international
[12:03] community that the war is started. This
[12:05] is against the charter and this is the
[12:08] violation of international law.
[12:11] Muhammad Aldori. Um there is an element
[12:13] to this as there is in diplomatic
[12:15] matters of almost u um scripting. Um it
[12:19] it was clear it's been clear for days
[12:21] that as soon as the Americans began the
[12:23] attack that the next day the Iraqis
[12:26] would go to the United Nations to
[12:28] protest that to demand the security
[12:30] council take action on that. Michael Aku
[12:33] is one of our team of correspondents who
[12:35] covers the United Nations. He's been
[12:36] there a lot uh over the last month or
[12:38] so. Michael, um, just run down the
[12:41] process that you expect to unfold over
[12:44] on the east side of New York in the next
[12:45] 24 hours.
[12:47] >> Well, Erin, what we expect is that the
[12:49] Iraqi ambassador who you just heard from
[12:51] will be very vocal about going to other
[12:53] security council uh, nations and asking
[12:56] them to convene to talk about uh, the
[12:58] action that the US is obviously involved
[13:00] in at this moment. And uh the word we
[13:03] are getting is that uh it will really be
[13:06] more of a a speechon of of sorts that
[13:09] essentially these ambassadors will come
[13:11] forward uh that they will in their own
[13:13] words uh condemn uh the US uh and UK
[13:17] action here. Uh we don't expect there to
[13:20] be any kind of a resolution or even a
[13:23] presidential statement which is what uh
[13:25] often happens in situations like this.
[13:28] Uh the advice uh that the Iraqi
[13:30] ambassador is getting according to some
[13:32] diplomats we have spoken to is that it
[13:34] is not a good idea right now uh to try
[13:36] to uh go too forward on this to try to
[13:39] isolate the United States in any way but
[13:41] to just come forward and to make their
[13:43] voices heard. Aaron
[13:45] >> and just finish the thought Michael the
[13:47] reason that he is being given that
[13:49] advice is that there is not that much
[13:52] support for the Iraqi position.
[13:55] >> Well that's exactly right. There are
[13:57] quite a few diplomats here who will tell
[14:00] you that they do not believe in the US
[14:02] action here, but they certainly do
[14:05] believe that Saddam Hussein may have
[14:07] weapons of mass destruction, that Saddam
[14:09] Hussein may certainly pose a real threat
[14:12] in the area. But, uh, it's really a
[14:15] matter, Erin, of uh, of some diplomats
[14:18] believing that Mr. Hussein is dangerous,
[14:21] but the United States actions are not
[14:23] necessarily justified. and it's really
[14:26] uh sort of uh trying to stay in the
[14:28] middle on this. Aaron,
[14:30] >> it was interesting. Michael, you said at
[14:31] the beginning that we expect to hear a
[14:33] lot of speech making at the United
[14:34] Nations. I think there are uh a whole
[14:37] lot of people who would say that's all
[14:39] we've heard from the United Nations over
[14:40] the last several months and perhaps the
[14:42] president might agree with that. There's
[14:44] been a lot of speech making when do they
[14:46] convene today?
[14:49] >> They convened earlier today. Of course,
[14:51] this was a meeting that was called for
[14:53] by France, Russia, and Germany. Those
[14:56] three countries represented by their
[14:58] foreign ministers who came forward and
[15:00] very vocally opposed uh the the US
[15:03] actions here. Uh the German ambassador
[15:06] saying that this is certainly not a time
[15:09] to engage in war, continuing to say that
[15:12] the inspections process should move
[15:14] forward. And in fact, they came here to
[15:16] discuss uh the chief weapons inspector,
[15:18] Hans Blick's obviously at this point
[15:21] last report to the security council that
[15:23] actually spelled out some of the key
[15:25] remaining disarmament tasks that the
[15:27] Iraqis could become engaged in and also
[15:30] it uh detailed a work program for the
[15:33] inspectors. of the uh US ambassador John
[15:35] Negropanti coming out and and in his own
[15:38] words Aaron essentially saying that it
[15:40] was ridiculous that as inspectors were
[15:42] leaving the country and that the UN was
[15:45] pulling back on this and that war was
[15:47] imminent that we would even be convening
[15:49] to uh start discussing a work schedule
[15:52] for the inspector. So a lot of uh angry
[15:56] words there in the security council
[15:57] which is something that we have seen
[15:59] quite a bit in the last uh two months or
[16:01] so. Aaron
[16:02] >> and someday when the history of all this
[16:04] all is written Michael will have a
[16:06] better feel for the damage done the
[16:08] scars left behind at the security
[16:09] council. Uh Cristian Amanpur in Kuwait.
[16:12] Cristian
[16:16] >> Erin we've been talking a little bit
[16:17] about what the soldiers know about
[16:19] what's been going on. We're going now to
[16:21] Walt Rogers who is, you know, this term
[16:23] embedded with uh an army division in
[16:26] northern Kuwait there. Walter, what are
[16:28] the soldiers there learning now?
[16:33] Cristian, what you're looking at now is
[16:35] soldiers of the US 7th Cavalry borrowing
[16:37] my shortwave radio, listening to the
[16:40] latest shortwave news on the attack on
[16:42] Baghdad earlier in the day. The soldiers
[16:44] you're looking at, many of them are tank
[16:46] commanders, uh, non-commissioned
[16:48] officers, sergeants who will be driving
[16:50] the tanks north when the order comes to
[16:53] come forward. And they were caught off
[16:54] guard this morning. That is to say, they
[16:56] did not know that the uh that Baghdad
[16:59] was about to be uh the target of cruise
[17:02] missile attacks. I'd like to ask them
[17:03] now. Sergeant Wheatley, let me ask you
[17:05] first, were you surprised when you heard
[17:07] that uh the cruise missile attacks fell
[17:09] last night?
[17:10] >> Yes, sir. Very surprised.
[17:11] >> Happy. um alleviated more or less. Glad
[17:16] for it to start and glad for it. The
[17:18] sooner it starts, the sooner it gets
[17:19] over.
[17:19] >> Sergeant Wheatley, what's it mean for
[17:21] your unit?
[17:24] >> Um
[17:25] we've prepped for it for a long time.
[17:27] Most of us here have been together for
[17:29] over a year and we're ready to go do
[17:31] what needs to be done.
[17:32] >> Sergeant Birdong, same. Were you
[17:33] surprised when those cruise missiles
[17:35] slammed into Baghdad?
[17:36] >> I was surprised, but uh at the same
[17:38] token, you know, not really surprised.
[17:41] We we knew it was coming. Uh I'm glad to
[17:43] see it started. But
[17:45] >> you sort of caught off guard. You were
[17:47] out there in your in your vehicles,
[17:48] weren't you?
[17:49] >> When I woke up this morning, uh we heard
[17:50] the news. Uh a little bit of surprise,
[17:53] you know, what trying to uh wonder what
[17:56] the target was. Uh just uh but overall,
[18:01] all our guys are are like, "Yeah, you
[18:03] know, finally got started. We're ready
[18:04] to go do what we got to do."
[18:06] >> Are you surprised you're not moving
[18:07] forward yet?
[18:08] >> No, not really. Due to the timeline the
[18:10] president's put out, uh we've all been
[18:14] uh brought up that the air will start
[18:15] first and I'm glad it started to uh
[18:17] start prepping for us to move.
[18:19] >> Sergeant Knight, how about you? You
[18:20] ready to go?
[18:21] >> Yes, sir. I am.
[18:22] >> Disappointed that the bombs, the cruise
[18:24] missiles fell before you got your orders
[18:26] to move forward?
[18:27] >> No, sir. They need to do their part
[18:29] first and then we come and finish.
[18:30] >> Uh senior ranking officer here is
[18:32] Lieutenant Fritz. Is that right?
[18:34] >> Well, our commander's here.
[18:36] >> Oh, there's Captain Lyall. Come on,
[18:38] Captain. Were you surprised by the
[18:40] cruise missiles falling this morning?
[18:42] >> A little bit. It was a target
[18:43] opportunity presented itself. So, uh,
[18:45] President acted.
[18:48] >> Lieutenant Fritz, West Point, class at
[18:50] 2002, as I recall. Right. Yes, sir.
[18:52] >> Were you surprised when those cruise
[18:54] missiles started slamming in before you
[18:55] got the orders to go forward?
[18:56] >> Absolutely.
[18:58] >> Anxious to go now.
[19:00] >> Ready to go.
[19:02] >> The hesitation. What's the hesitation?
[19:04] hesitation
[19:08] >> in your voice. You say ready to go.
[19:10] >> We're just ready to go. That's just
[19:12] >> like to ask you what happens if your
[19:14] soldiers go forward and find Iraqis
[19:17] civilians being used as human shields.
[19:20] >> Uh we uh deal with the situation
[19:22] accordingly. Uh we uh definitely do not
[19:25] want to harm any non-combatants in any
[19:27] way. We're there to liberate those same
[19:29] people. Uh so we take every precaution
[19:32] and uh develop the situation as best we
[19:34] can to to ensure their safety.
[19:38] >> Thanks very much. We've been talking to
[19:39] Captain Clay Lyle and the uh soldiers of
[19:42] the uh uh Seventh Cavalry, the Apache
[19:45] Troop. They are just catching up on the
[19:47] news this morning. Uh they like most of
[19:49] the world was caught a little bit
[19:51] offguard by virtue of the fact that the
[19:53] president had ordered a limited strike,
[19:55] a cruise missile strike against areas in
[19:57] Baghdad. The soldiers you're looking at
[20:00] will lead the attack for the US Army
[20:02] when the orders come to come go forward.
[20:05] But at this present time, there is no
[20:06] operational order to continue. So, we're
[20:09] staying in the attack position with the
[20:11] Seventh Cavalry. Christian, back to you,
[20:15] >> Walton. Now that the initial uh stages
[20:18] have begun, of course, everybody is
[20:20] trying to figure out a timeline. What
[20:22] have you gathered in your time with
[20:24] those uh soldiers there with the seven
[20:26] cavalry division about a sort of
[20:29] timeline for instance when the major air
[20:31] assault begins? When is the ground
[20:34] assault scheduled?
[20:38] >> Well, nothing that happened in terms of
[20:39] that cruise missile strike on Baghdad
[20:42] and it was a limited strike earlier in
[20:44] the day. Nothing has changed the
[20:46] operational battle plan for this group,
[20:48] the Seventh Cavalry. They have their
[20:50] orders. Uh we can't say exactly when
[20:53] they're supposed to go forward, but I
[20:54] can tell looking at the readiness of the
[20:56] unit around me, these soldiers, they
[20:58] could move very quickly. The problem is
[21:00] the order has not come from the Pentagon
[21:02] yet, and the plan is not going to be
[21:04] changed by that limited cruise missile
[21:07] strike. So, we're looking at least 12,
[21:09] 24 hours, perhaps even longer. The
[21:11] Pentagon, uh the White House is not
[21:13] going to be rushed, and you can see that
[21:15] by the rather, uh laidback position we
[21:17] see in the field. These soldiers could
[21:19] move very very quickly. Uh the men you
[21:21] see behind me, most of them NCOs's could
[21:24] scramble on the top of their uh main
[21:26] battle tanks in down in those turrets 5
[21:29] minutes or so and be out of here, have
[21:30] those engines running. The problem for
[21:32] them, of course, is that the uh that the
[21:34] order has not come forward. Now, we did
[21:36] have some supply vehicles uh 5,000galon
[21:39] and 2500galon tankers come up to bring
[21:42] more fuel or have fuel at the ready for
[21:45] the tanks when the order comes to go
[21:47] forward. But the um uh line of departure
[21:50] has not been crossed yet. That's still
[21:52] ahead of us back over there over the
[21:54] Iraqi border. Back to you, Cristian.
[21:58] >> Walter, thanks very much. And we go back
[22:00] to Aaron now at CNN headquarters.
[22:02] >> Cristian, thank you. We were looking at
[22:04] Sergeant Wheatley. I didn't hear his
[22:06] first name and maybe he didn't give it,
[22:07] but he was the first uh first person
[22:10] Wald interviewed with the big mustache.
[22:12] Everyone who has ever been in the
[22:14] service knows Sergeant Wheatley, knows a
[22:16] non-com who looked like that uh that
[22:18] young man. And and you look at those
[22:20] people, they are about to do some very
[22:22] difficult work in the days ahead. And
[22:24] all of us think of them and worry about
[22:27] them and wish them nothing but safety
[22:29] tonight. Uh their commander-in-chief
[22:31] went on TV at 10:15 Eastern time to
[22:34] announce what had become clear about a
[22:37] half an hour earlier that Operation
[22:39] Iraqi Freedom was underway. Chris Burns
[22:41] is now taking the watch at the White
[22:43] House. Uh Chris, um it was four minutes.
[22:47] The president's statement was four
[22:48] minutes. Not very long, but it certainly
[22:51] said a lot about what's to unfold. Erin,
[22:54] absolutely. And that decision that the
[22:56] president made was made shortly before
[22:58] that. The president had a second
[23:00] National Security Council meeting,
[23:02] actually a war planning meeting in the
[23:03] afternoon. This had begun to happen this
[23:05] week, just this week. This second
[23:08] meeting rolled on longer than expected
[23:11] and what really pricricked our ears up
[23:13] was actually watching the fact that Vice
[23:15] President Dick Cheney had spent an
[23:17] inordinate amount of time there at the
[23:19] meeting and had stayed there. An effort
[23:21] having been made since September 11th,
[23:23] 2001, that both president and vice
[23:25] president should not be together a very
[23:27] long time to try to make sure that
[23:30] leadership would survive in the event of
[23:32] another terrorist attack. So that was a
[23:33] very important indication that a big
[23:35] decision was on its way. President uh
[23:38] Bush having made his decision according
[23:40] to senior administration officials at
[23:42] 6:30 this evening. Uh at 7:30 that
[23:45] meeting broke up. The president then
[23:47] giving his speech uh at 10:15 this
[23:49] evening uh saying that what was
[23:52] happening had only just begun.
[23:55] At this hour, American and coalition
[23:58] forces are in the early stages of
[24:00] military operations to disarm Iraq, to
[24:03] free its people, and to defend the world
[24:06] from grave danger. On my orders,
[24:09] coalition forces have begun striking
[24:11] selected targets of military importance
[24:13] to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to
[24:16] wage war. These are opening stages of
[24:19] what will be a broad and concerted
[24:21] campaign. Now, the target having been
[24:24] made, the president decided because the
[24:26] CIA and other agencies had told him
[24:28] there was this opportunity to strike at
[24:30] a major leadership target. Now, the
[24:32] Pentagon sources are telling us that it
[24:34] was actually aimed at Saddam Hussein,
[24:36] but we can't confirm that from this end.
[24:38] What was important was that there was a
[24:39] major leadership target, try to cut the
[24:41] head off the military leadership, and
[24:43] perhaps that would make it easier to
[24:44] advance uh in the next few days. Aaron,
[24:47] >> Chris, thank you. Chris Burns, uh I
[24:50] placed you at the White House. you are
[24:52] covering the White House. Um, there
[24:54] comes a point, just so you know why
[24:56] Chris is not standing on the White House
[24:58] lawn when the White House says we don't
[25:00] want any more uh live shots coming out
[25:02] of the area. In part is security. In
[25:04] part, it's because the lights are
[25:06] annoying to those people inside honestly
[25:09] who are trying to sleep. Uh, that would
[25:10] be the president and the first lady and
[25:12] any guests they might have. And so I
[25:14] gather that they um that this is what
[25:16] happened that they moved us across the
[25:18] street and we uh gladly obliged in that
[25:21] situation. Uh the president is in the in
[25:23] in the residence uh the first lady is
[25:26] there also. We haven't seen much of the
[25:27] first lady over the last several days.
[25:29] Um but we are told that while she didn't
[25:32] have a public schedule, uh some friends
[25:34] had come to visit and that they this is
[25:36] obviously an important and difficult
[25:38] time uh for the first family and and our
[25:40] thoughts are with them as well. whatever
[25:42] feelings you have about the war and the
[25:44] appropriateness of it. Um the weight of
[25:47] these sorts of moments and the history
[25:49] of these sorts of moments on any
[25:50] president's important and they are
[25:52] important moments and our thoughts are
[25:53] with them as well. Um among the things
[25:55] that we'll be doing over the course of
[25:58] this war, however long it goes, and we
[26:01] all hope it doesn't go very long, is
[26:03] trying to explain the battle plan as it
[26:05] unfolds. Um, a lot of that duty will
[26:08] fall to Miles O'Brien and an assorted
[26:10] group and distinguished group of
[26:12] analysts, generals, retired and
[26:14] otherwise. Uh, Miles is with us for the
[26:17] first time now uh, tonight. Miles, good
[26:19] to see you.
[26:20] >> Good to see you too, Erin. And I'm
[26:22] joined by Alec Fraser, who is retired as
[26:24] a captain of a cruiser in the Navy and
[26:26] has spent a lot of time at least in
[26:28] training firing off cruise missiles and
[26:30] can tell us a little bit about what goes
[26:32] on a naval ship at this time. First of
[26:34] all, Alec, good to have you with us. We
[26:36] do know this now, as we point out in the
[26:38] map here, we had uh the uh Red Sea and
[26:41] the Persian Gulf were the points of
[26:42] origin for some 40 cruise missiles. Um
[26:46] and we're talking about a range of
[26:48] between 700 to a,000 miles for a cruise
[26:50] missile. So, that's well within their
[26:51] capabilities. Tell us what goes on on a
[26:53] Navy ship when it comes time to fire off
[26:55] a cruise missile. To fire a cruise
[26:57] missile requires you to have a target
[26:59] and that target is downloaded uh from
[27:01] satellite pre-programmed targets. It's
[27:04] loaded into a mainframe computer on the
[27:06] on the ship and then when the target is
[27:09] assigned by the theater commander that
[27:11] target is downloaded into the missile
[27:13] and then it is fired. So it takes about
[27:15] you know 5 10 15 minutes to to get the
[27:18] target loaded onto the missile but the
[27:20] target is already available in the
[27:22] mainframe computer system on the ship.
[27:24] Now, I'm told typically what happens is
[27:26] you're not they don't fly like that that
[27:27] arrow I've just put on there. They fly
[27:29] kind of a zigzag pattern typically as
[27:31] they come in. What's the purpose of
[27:32] that?
[27:33] >> The beauty of a a cruise missile is that
[27:35] you can have a lot of pre-fly points
[27:37] that you go to along the way, avoiding
[27:39] anybody being able to see the missile,
[27:41] being able to detect it and give an
[27:43] early warning. So, you can fly the
[27:44] missile at various quadrants and at a
[27:47] target bring it in from various angles.
[27:49] So, say someone's looking at a
[27:51] particular direction. It sees the
[27:53] missile coming in, but it doesn't see
[27:54] the one coming in behind him at the same
[27:56] time.
[27:56] >> All right, let's take a look at a flight
[27:57] of a cruise missile. Just give you a
[27:59] sense of what it might look like with a
[28:01] graphical depiction of it. Uh, this one
[28:03] would obviously be coming from the
[28:04] Persian Gulf as we depict it here. Comes
[28:06] off of a cruiser like that one. And on
[28:08] it goes, it it comes off with a solid
[28:11] rocket motor and then shifts into
[28:12] basically a small jet engine flying at
[28:14] about 400 500 mph. flying above any
[28:17] other type of uh things it could run
[28:19] into. Then it drops down low once it
[28:21] gets over land. It'll fly to various
[28:22] points along the way. This one's flying
[28:24] straight. Uh but it's it's mapping as it
[28:27] goes along, taking some points and
[28:28] taking GPS coordinates at the same time.
[28:30] >> Low infrared signature, low radar
[28:32] signature. In other words, can't be
[28:33] picked up easily by defenses along the
[28:35] way.
[28:36] >> It has no emissions coming out from it.
[28:38] So therefore, any type of electronic
[28:41] detection device doesn't work against
[28:42] it.
[28:43] >> How accurate are they? Which window
[28:45] would you like to fly it through?
[28:46] >> Really?
[28:47] >> Is that that that accurate?
[28:48] >> When you're talking about 40 cruise
[28:50] missiles coming in, could they all come
[28:51] in simultaneously? Perhaps
[28:53] >> they could. And 40 missiles would not be
[28:55] fired by one ship. It could be fired by
[28:57] several cruisers.
[28:58] >> All right. You know what, Alec? Let's
[29:00] take a look at the air for just a
[29:01] moment. This is from the USS Lincoln
[29:03] where Kira Phillips is. We've been
[29:04] watching uh that appears to be an F-18,
[29:06] perhaps a Super Hornet as they continue
[29:09] launching numerous sorties. Maybe we can
[29:11] listen in to Kira for a moment.
[29:16] Thank you. Uh, Miles,
[29:18] right now you're looking at the, uh,
[29:20] this is from the VFA 115 squadron. This
[29:23] is the F-18 Super Hornet. As you know,
[29:25] there's been a lot of attention on the
[29:27] F-18 uh, Super Hornet, the newest strike
[29:31] fighter uh, to the uh, to the fleet here
[29:33] on the USS Abraham Lincoln. As you can
[29:36] see, the flight deck crew giving the
[29:38] signals, getting ready to go. Here we
[29:40] go. The first super
[30:04] f uh first F-18 Super Horned that was
[30:06] from the BFA 115 Eagles has launched.
[30:10] off the uh USS Abraham Lincoln. Now, the
[30:14] advantages of the Super Hornet, of
[30:15] course, the heat seeeking missiles. You
[30:17] probably saw on the side of uh that
[30:20] aircraft. Also, uh the bunker busters
[30:22] that we told you about the Super
[30:23] Hornets, of course, known for their
[30:26] speed and and air.
[30:28] >> I'm sorry, Cara, we got to interrupt
[30:29] you. We got to go now to the Ministry of
[30:31] Information on Iraqi Television. Uh the
[30:34] Minister of Information. Let's listen in
[30:35] for just a moment
[30:36] >> against the tyrant of this era.
[30:41] the Zionist
[30:43] ally in this day where the
[30:46] determinations will be manifest and Iraq
[30:49] under the leadership of the great leader
[30:51] Saddam Hussein and may God protect him.
[30:55] This will be a protection, a shield for
[30:59] this nation, for humanity
[31:05] against those evils,
[31:08] those tyrants in America and Britain.
[31:12] Dear citizens,
[31:14] the president Saddam Hussein, may God
[31:17] protect him, will speak to you.
[31:25] >> All right, that was Muhammad al- Sahad
[31:26] who is the minister of information
[31:28] speaking on Iraqi television. Uh we have
[31:31] not seen Saddam Hussein. Uh there was a
[31:34] promise. Uh I'm sorry. Go ahead.
[31:38] >> All right. We're going to stay with this
[31:40] speech now. Is that right?
[31:43] All right. We're about to hear from
[31:44] Saddam Hussein. That's what I'm being
[31:46] told right now. Uh and we will probably
[31:48] stay with this uh picture as we wait for
[31:51] Saddam Hussein to appear. This was
[31:53] promised some time ago. Uh and why don't
[31:57] we send it back to Aaron for now. We'll
[31:59] continue our discussion of cruise
[32:00] missiles later. Aaron,
[32:01] >> thank you. Um well, we we look at the
[32:04] slide and that's what it is. Um what we
[32:07] don't know honestly we we know that they
[32:10] say Saddam Hussein is alive and they say
[32:12] that we're going to hear from them but
[32:13] the truth is that um Iraqi information
[32:16] officials have been saying that for at
[32:18] least an hour now a little longer than
[32:20] that. They they say well it'll be
[32:22] another 10 minutes it'll be another 10
[32:24] minutes. Well we'll have something on
[32:26] this channel or that channel but to this
[32:28] point they have not delivered. Um, we
[32:31] know and you know
[32:34] >> in the name of God most merciful, most
[32:36] compassionate,
[32:37] >> they've delivered. Now
[32:40] >> those who are fought
[32:43] as they are treated unjustly were
[32:46] granted permission to fight and God will
[32:49] give them victory.
[32:56] Well, we have the beginning of the
[32:57] signal, but we lost it there. As you can
[32:59] see, that's Iraqi TV. Um,
[33:04] you know, I suppose it is um in some
[33:07] ways fitting um that here we go.
[33:12] >> 20th of March, 2003,
[33:15] corresponding to 17th of the Muharam of
[33:20] 1422 Hijri.
[33:23] The criminal,
[33:26] the criminal Junior Bush committed he
[33:29] and his aid, his crime that he was
[33:32] threatening Iraq with and humanity as
[33:36] well.
[33:38] His criminal act comes from
[33:45] and his and the act of those who helped
[33:47] him
[33:49] and his followers.
[33:53] This is added to the series of their
[33:55] shameful crimes against Iraq and the
[33:57] humanity.
[33:59] This is a start for other additional
[34:02] crimes.
[34:06] Oh, Iraqis and those who care in our
[34:09] nation.
[34:12] acrificing for you and for the values of
[34:15] our nation and the banners of its
[34:18] fighting and for its religion and for
[34:22] the soul, the family, the son.
[34:27] And here I will not repeat what should
[34:30] be said.
[34:33] or it is a duty on all people, good
[34:36] people, you that repeat what has to be
[34:40] done to protect and defend this dear
[34:43] nation and the values and sacreds. But I
[34:47] will say for to each this is a must on
[34:50] all of us. What I say
[34:53] on any of us, on each of us in the
[34:56] family of Iraq, the believing, the
[34:59] honest
[35:02] family that is being treated unjustly by
[35:04] its enemies on all of us, on each of us,
[35:08] we have to remember what
[35:11] was said and what was pledged. And these
[35:14] days will go as God's wills. This will
[35:18] add these days will add to your record
[35:22] your bright record.
[35:25] Oh you male and female dignified people.
[35:29] This is your share of dignity and
[35:31] victory and everything that will raise
[35:35] the status before God and will let
[35:38] infidels down the enemies of humanity
[35:41] and God and that you will be victorious.
[35:46] Oh Iraqis
[35:49] and with you are victorious will be with
[35:52] you are the people of your the sons of
[35:54] your nation and you are victorious with
[35:56] the will of God and your enemies will be
[35:58] in humiliation and defeat God willing
[36:12] go you sword I'm not
[36:17] Draw your sword and I'm not afraid.
[36:21] Draw your sword.
[36:24] The enemy is making a fuss.
[36:29] And the enemy will not be stopped except
[36:32] by
[36:36] let the rains be let go anyway.
[36:40] But hope is there. Let thunderstorms
[36:45] go
[36:49] until the guidance appears and justice
[36:54] goes away
[36:59] and let don't be
[37:03] the way to confront
[37:06] to confront all bad
[37:11] and pull your trigger and keep the fire
[37:14] on
[37:19] with draw your draw your sword.
[37:26] No one will be victorious unless you're
[37:28] unless he is a man and a brave man and
[37:32] prepare a banner
[37:35] and call for the way of God
[37:38] that the wounds will heal quickly.
[37:44] Dear friends,
[37:51] those who call for evil in the world.
[37:56] Oh,
[37:56] >> those who who fight evil in the world,
[37:59] peace be upon him. You notice how
[38:02] Bush the careless underestimated your
[38:06] values
[38:08] that you declared against the war
[38:12] and your call your honest call for peace
[38:16] and he committed this shameful
[38:19] crime this day.
[38:23] We pledge in our name and in the name of
[38:26] the command and leadership and the name
[38:29] of the people, the fighting people and
[38:31] its heroic army
[38:36] in this in in its history and record of
[38:38] civilization. We pledge that we will
[38:40] confront the invaders and we will get
[38:43] them to God willing to the limit where
[38:48] they will lose their patience and they
[38:50] will lose any hope in accomplishing
[38:55] what what they were driven to by the
[38:59] Zionist, the criminal Zionist. And those
[39:01] who have agendas, they will go to to the
[39:05] lowest levels and they will be defeated.
[39:08] A defeat
[39:10] that
[39:12] we hope for them after they went far in
[39:14] unjustice and evil.
[39:21] We love peace and we are working towards
[39:23] this peace.
[39:27] Iraq will be victorious. We'll win. And
[39:30] with Iraq,
[39:32] our nation and humanity will win. And
[39:37] evil
[39:39] will suffer from what makes it incapable
[39:43] of doing any evil or crime
[39:49] at a level similar to the American
[39:51] Zionist
[39:53] alliance against nations. And at the
[39:57] forefront is our dignified nation, Arab
[40:01] nation. God is great. God is great.
[40:07] At the beginning
[40:10] at the forefront is our our nation. God
[40:13] is great. God is great. And live long
[40:17] Iraq and Palestine.
[40:20] God is great. God is great. and our Arab
[40:24] nation, dignified nation, let let that
[40:27] nation live. And the human brotherhood,
[40:31] let it live with those who love peace
[40:33] and security and the right of people in
[40:37] freedom uh according to justice and
[40:40] equality.
[40:41] God is great and let the losers lose.
[40:46] Let Iraq live.
[40:50] Long live jihad and long live Palestine.
[40:55] >> The Iraqi president Saddam Hussein
[40:59] in a speech to his countrymen. What must
[41:01] they think? Uh Saddam Hussein in
[41:04] military garb tonight. Uh normally we
[41:07] see him in civilian clothes, but the
[41:08] last couple of times we've seen him. He
[41:11] has been in his military uniform. He was
[41:13] um he referred to President Bush as
[41:16] little Bush. I actually heard it as
[41:18] Junior Bush. But uh in any case, he
[41:20] wasn't paying the president of the
[41:22] United States a compliment and described
[41:24] this as a crime against Iraq and a crime
[41:26] against humanity. It is the duty of all
[41:29] good people to protect our dear nation.
[41:31] He said, "I am not afraid." And then and
[41:34] this is important. Um three different
[41:37] times as I heard it, he referred to
[41:40] Zionist, the American Zionist Alliance.
[41:42] He said, "Long live Palestine. It is
[41:44] certainly the Iraqi president's hope
[41:46] that the Arab world will see this in the
[41:50] context of the long and difficult
[41:54] dispute between the Palestinians and the
[41:56] Israelis. Uh that that that uh in Arab
[42:00] capitals that citizen that that Islamic
[42:03] citizens will rise up in some way, shape
[42:05] or form. uh and that that will protect
[42:08] or or deflect uh some of what is about
[42:12] to come uh visited upon Iraq. And so we
[42:15] heard it at least three times. Um this
[42:18] notion that this is a an American
[42:20] Zionist, read that Israeli alliance. The
[42:24] question I suppose Nick Robertson or one
[42:27] question Nick is whether in fact that
[42:29] was Saddam Hussein. He is a man we know
[42:32] with a number of lookalikes or doubles.
[42:35] Um, do we know with absolute certainty
[42:38] that we were listening to the Iraqi
[42:40] president?
[42:42] >> It would certainly seem at this time
[42:44] that uh, every intention was given to
[42:46] convey that this was the real president
[42:49] Saddam Hussein. He is known to have a
[42:51] number of doubles and perhaps analyzing
[42:54] that carefully would be difficult
[42:55] because of the large glasses, the beret
[42:59] and the highly the the the fact that his
[43:01] collar was pulled up quite highly. would
[43:04] take a very sophisticated set of
[43:05] analysis, I think, of pictures of him to
[43:08] make a determination. It sounded very
[43:10] much like him. The rhetoric was
[43:12] extremely strong. He looked much more
[43:15] serious than we have seen him look
[43:16] recently. He portrays himself on Iraqi
[43:19] television as looking very relaxed. Very
[43:21] interesting there, Aaron. Of course, the
[43:23] theme that uh that all that all of this
[43:26] is driven by Zionism, is driven by the
[43:28] United States aggression to gain control
[43:31] over the region. And we hear that time
[43:32] and time again from Iraqi officials.
[43:35] Very interesting here to get a hint, the
[43:38] first hint perhaps of how Iraq thinks it
[43:40] will deal with this uh war, saying that
[43:44] uh that uh we will drive them to the
[43:47] limit, drive the invading forces to the
[43:48] limit where they lose their patience and
[43:51] they will lose their hope and the day
[43:54] will come where they are driven down to
[43:56] their lowest level and give up. This is
[43:58] the first time we've heard an Iraqi
[44:01] official articulate how they plan to try
[44:04] and win. They plan to try and do it here
[44:07] by making sure that the United States
[44:09] loses its patience, that the troops lose
[44:11] their hope, that their morale is driven
[44:14] to its lowest level. This is something
[44:17] that we haven't heard before. Very
[44:19] interesting. A call to arms, a call to
[44:21] arms to draw your swords, to draw your
[44:23] guns. uh clearly calling on the Iraqi
[44:27] people at this very very critical time
[44:30] uh for them to stand with the government
[44:32] to stand behind the leadership. Of
[44:34] course, difficult to analyze as well
[44:37] exactly what really what people really
[44:39] are feeling in their hearts of hearts as
[44:41] they stand as they know on the brink of
[44:44] a very very serious war at this time.
[44:46] Maron,
[44:48] >> it is u I to use a colloquialism, it is
[44:51] the knock on the Americans, I suppose,
[44:53] that um and this is a product of Vietnam
[44:56] that the country does not have the
[44:58] staying power uh in moments like this,
[45:02] that it does not have the will to take
[45:04] casualties, that it does not have the
[45:06] will to expend um the human res the
[45:11] lives, I almost said human resources
[45:13] does not have the willingness to accept
[45:14] the casualties of war. Um, that has been
[45:17] the knock on on the country in the
[45:19] postVietnam era. Uh, we would we would
[45:22] just refer again to something that
[45:25] President Bush said. Uh, when he talked,
[45:28] he made it very clear that this may go
[45:30] on a long time. But I think the term was
[45:32] no half measures here, no half victories
[45:35] here. That in the president's view, the
[45:37] president of the United States view, the
[45:39] United States is in it to the end. And
[45:42] there in my in in our view there can be
[45:45] little question that that is indeed the
[45:48] American feeling tonight that that they
[45:51] will do what it takes as quickly as
[45:53] possible but they will do what it takes
[45:55] to do the job the president has
[45:57] annunciated over uh now many many many
[46:01] months. Wolf, this question of whether
[46:04] it was Saddam and the doubles, uh, I I
[46:07] don't mean to use the term paranoid in
[46:08] the classic um, psychiatric sense. We'll
[46:12] use it in the idiomatic sense. He is a
[46:15] man obsessed with security.
[46:19] He certainly is a man obsessed with
[46:21] security. And let me make a couple
[46:22] points about what we've just seen unfold
[46:25] on Iraqi television before coming out
[46:27] here to Kuwait. Over the past several
[46:28] months, I've had several highlevel
[46:30] briefings with US and other intelligence
[46:33] sources, and they point out about the
[46:35] whole issue of Saddam Hussein having
[46:36] body doubles. Usually, that's when he's
[46:39] out in public. They have someone who
[46:41] looks like him, uh, dresses like him,
[46:43] can walk in in a crowd and almost
[46:45] pretend to be him, but you never hear
[46:47] that other person speak. Saddam Hussein
[46:50] has a very distinctive voice in Arabic
[46:52] and anyone who's an Arabic speaker could
[46:55] certainly make out if in fact that was
[46:57] or was not Saddam Hussein given the very
[46:59] recognized voice that he has. In this
[47:02] particular case, he spoke, you saw him
[47:03] reading from his notes so clearly uh
[47:06] anyone who knows Saddam Hussein's voice
[47:09] would be well aware of that this was in
[47:11] fact Saddam Hussein. The other point you
[47:13] have to notice at the top of his speech
[47:14] he referred to the date now in this part
[47:16] of the world 20 March 2003. That
[47:19] indicates that this was not a previously
[47:22] recorded videotape. This was a tape
[47:24] recording that was done uh since the US
[47:27] strike began. Those cruise missiles
[47:29] F-17A launched that attack on those
[47:32] selected targets in Baghdad. the uh the
[47:36] the the Iraqi leader also was very very
[47:38] precise in terms of going after the
[47:41] president of the United States. At one
[47:43] point he called him the criminal Junior
[47:45] Bush. The criminal Junior Bush, a very
[47:47] derogatory term as far as the Arab world
[47:50] is concerned, meaning that he's just a
[47:52] junior as far as his father was
[47:54] concerned. And there's this
[47:55] long-standing, of course, animosity,
[47:57] hatred between the Bush family, of
[47:59] course, and the Saddam Hussein family,
[48:01] if you will. So, it was getting very
[48:03] personal there as well. Let's bring
[48:04] Cristian Amanpur. As you assess this
[48:07] situation, Cristian, you see Saddam
[48:09] Hussein emerging on Iraqi television,
[48:11] literally only very briefly after the US
[48:14] clearly sought to decapitate the Iraqi
[48:17] leadership. It reminded me of what
[48:19] happened earlier in the day when there
[48:20] were rum rumors that Tariq Aziz, the
[48:23] deputy prime minister of Iraq, had had
[48:25] fled or had been killed and he emerged
[48:28] on television right away. It underscores
[48:30] how sophisticated the Iraqi regime is.
[48:33] >> Well, yeah. And Nick Robertson was
[48:34] talking about that as well. I mean, it
[48:36] underscores that they understand the uh
[48:38] the the capacity of the airwaves and
[48:41] they need to show what they want to show
[48:44] quite quickly. But I think in terms of
[48:46] what he said about Americans losing
[48:48] patience and perhaps underestimating
[48:51] America's staying power, I think what
[48:54] many people in the world forget is that
[48:55] that equation changed in the United
[48:58] States after September 11th. That's the
[49:00] one major change I think in terms of the
[49:03] American people's willingness to take
[49:05] casualties and the politicians
[49:07] willingness to commit forces because now
[49:09] after so many Americans were killed on
[49:11] September 11th and so many police and
[49:14] firefighters were killed doing their
[49:15] job, there is no question any longer
[49:18] that the soldiers who are paid to do the
[49:20] job of fighting and sometimes dying will
[49:22] have to do it as well. So, I think it's
[49:24] no longer appropriate for people around
[49:26] the world to uh question whether the
[49:28] United States forces and the United
[49:30] States public will have weak stomachs
[49:33] for this kind of uh of battle.
[49:35] Certainly, we don't know what's going to
[49:37] happen in the long run, but for the
[49:39] moment, I think that the public opinion
[49:41] in the United States shows that this is
[49:43] not in question and that the American
[49:45] people will support their troops uh as
[49:47] long as they get the job done. in terms
[49:49] of his constant repeating and referring
[49:52] to the uh American Zionist plan. This is
[49:55] one of the main reasons why there has
[49:58] been so uh essentially little support in
[50:02] the Arab world for a war in Iraq. The
[50:05] fact that the United States has allowed
[50:08] and not intervened in the Arab-Israeli
[50:10] crisis over the last couple of years and
[50:13] that this is going on unabated certainly
[50:16] does not provide the ideal context in
[50:19] this part of the world for an attack on
[50:21] Iraq. And certainly speaking to many
[50:22] Arab leaders over the last few weeks and
[50:25] months, many of them said that had there
[50:27] been an attempt to uh put out the flames
[50:30] between the Palestinians and the
[50:31] Israelis, many of the Arab leaders would
[50:34] have been much more uh forthright and
[50:36] overt about their support for uh the
[50:39] disarmament of Saddam Hussein. So I
[50:42] think uh that's something that he knows
[50:44] goes down well in this region. Erin
[50:47] >> Christian, thanks. I think um many in
[50:49] the Arab world would in fact say that uh
[50:51] this President Bush, President George W.
[50:53] Bush has been less evenhanded. Uh they
[50:56] would say that. We're not saying that.
[50:58] They would say that then was President
[51:00] Clinton and his dealing with the Israeli
[51:02] dispute. And that has certainly as
[51:04] Cristian indicated um caused Arab
[51:07] leaders and people in Arab capitals and
[51:09] believers in the Palestinian cause great
[51:11] concern. Nick Robertson in Baghdad. Um
[51:16] >> what is
[51:18] Go ahead.
[51:19] >> Go ahead. No, Aaron, I think very much
[51:21] what about what Christian was saying
[51:24] there. This may be the miscalculation by
[51:27] President Saddam Hussein is often been
[51:29] it's often been suggested that he made a
[51:31] miscalculation in understanding United
[51:34] States intentions and world intentions
[51:36] when he invaded Kuwait back in 1990.
[51:39] This may be the flaw in his in his
[51:42] decision-making process at this time
[51:44] rather than going for further
[51:46] cooperation with the UN weapons instate
[51:48] as deciding to perhaps to go to war with
[51:51] the aim of undermining United States
[51:54] resolve undermining public support for
[51:57] an action against Iraq by believing that
[51:59] that can be done through attrition of
[52:02] forces. Uh perhaps this may yet prove to
[52:05] be the major miscalculation of of
[52:07] President Saddam Hussein. This seems to
[52:09] be from his speech however and in that
[52:12] is his first indication perhaps that
[52:14] this is is his intention to approach the
[52:17] war from this point of view not one that
[52:19] he could win outright militarily but one
[52:22] that he can perhaps win by slowing
[52:24] forces and creating casualties on the
[52:26] way to Baghdad. Uh I think that's a
[52:29] great point and just underscore one
[52:30] other point uh actually that Wolf made
[52:32] earlier that ought not get lost in here
[52:35] that uh Saddam and we assume it was
[52:38] Saddam at least we have no reason to
[52:39] believe it was not uh dated the speech.
[52:41] He said this 20th of March and uh and so
[52:45] if the American attempt was to get him I
[52:49] think we can and and if that was him
[52:51] okay there's many qualifiers that we can
[52:53] handle in one sentence uh pretty clearly
[52:55] that part failed. The other point I
[52:57] would make on that is it's hard to know
[52:59] um if he actually believes uh in the
[53:02] American impatience, General Clark, if
[53:04] he actually believes that that's um real
[53:08] still in this postVietnam. We're a long
[53:10] way from Vietnam. Um if he believes that
[53:12] or whether or not that's just the kind
[53:14] of thing you say for public consumption.
[53:16] The audience here is complicated. It's
[53:19] an Iraqi audience. It's an international
[53:21] audience. It's an Arab audience. There
[53:23] are many different constituencies
[53:25] listening to this that he was speaking
[53:27] to.
[53:30] >> That's exact That's exactly right, Erin.
[53:32] He is speaking and and he's speaking as
[53:35] much to the international audience, I
[53:37] believe, as to his own people on this.
[53:40] And so he's projecting what he hopes to
[53:42] be the case. He's trying to project his
[53:44] own moral superiority. I think it's very
[53:46] interesting that he felt like after this
[53:49] strike, he had to come out and show
[53:50] himself. uh which you know on the one
[53:52] hand you say okay we missed on the other
[53:54] hand it's it is a sign of some degree of
[53:56] insecurity that uh you know he's aware
[53:59] enough that and it feels vulnerable
[54:01] enough that hey it's a real possibility
[54:03] they could have got me so I'm going to
[54:05] show myself
[54:06] >> so uh I I think that uh that in it in
[54:10] itself is a measure of some degree of
[54:13] success in the US strategy at this point
[54:16] I mean on the larger field we really
[54:19] don't have a good picture here Erin as I
[54:20] was watching watching all of this
[54:21] tonight unfold. I recall sitting in
[54:24] Belgium during the Kosovo campaign and
[54:26] in my headquarters, we always had CNN or
[54:29] or or another network on because we
[54:31] wanted to see what the public was
[54:33] learning and we wanted to see the
[54:35] pictures of in some cases our own
[54:37] efforts. And it was always surprising
[54:40] when I'd get the battle damage readouts
[54:43] through the official channels how much
[54:45] there was that wasn't captured on the
[54:48] television. Well, it's only
[54:49] understandable, but the the medium is so
[54:52] powerful that it dominates.
[54:53] >> I think that's a great point. And the
[54:55] fact is we have yet to see um anything
[54:58] that says damage. We don't know what was
[55:00] hit and what wasn't hit. We haven't seen
[55:02] it yet. We may see it later today. We
[55:04] may not see it later today. There's a
[55:05] lot of things about this day that's
[55:07] unfolding. We don't know. Um, does it g
[55:11] you as a retired general, uh, when this
[55:15] notion that Americans and the American
[55:17] military does not have the staying
[55:19] power, uh, does that g you or do you
[55:22] just kind of laugh it off as a piece of
[55:24] history that is purely irrelevant?
[55:28] Well, it it's it's really um it's it's
[55:31] really unfortunate if that in fact is
[55:34] what he believes because I I I do
[55:36] believe this country has enormous
[55:38] staying power and the quality of the
[55:41] American armed forces is absolutely
[55:43] superb. And not only the quality in the
[55:45] sense of technology, but the training,
[55:48] the character of the troops and the
[55:50] leadership, they've got staying power
[55:52] like probably no army in history has
[55:54] ever had. So, uh, if it's unfortunate,
[55:58] if people believe that and it leads them
[56:00] to miscalculate and seek war with the
[56:02] United States, I mean, the rational
[56:04] course for Saddam would have been to
[56:06] cooperate with the UN
[56:08] >> a long time ago.
[56:09] >> Not to be glib about it, but here's a
[56:11] guy who was badly trounced a dozen years
[56:15] ago. I mean, it wasn't like this. This
[56:17] is not like this is his first experience
[56:19] in this matter. He's actually done this
[56:21] dance before with the United States and
[56:23] he actually knows how this plays out.
[56:25] And to miscalculate, I asked this
[56:27] question to former Secretary of State
[56:28] Henry Kissinger once. What must he be
[56:30] thinking to see these 300,000 troops on
[56:33] his border to know that there are
[56:35] literally thousands of missiles and
[56:38] hundreds and hundreds of jet planes
[56:40] prepared to launch uh launch other
[56:43] missiles, drop other bombs? What
[56:45] possible military mind is making these
[56:49] decisions?
[56:50] >> It's hard to understand from the
[56:52] outside. But on the other hand, when we
[56:54] watched Malloich go through this, we had
[56:56] every reason to believe that he was
[56:58] being lied to by his generals. And
[57:00] certainly we know that Saddam Hussein is
[57:02] a man who doesn't like bad news. And so
[57:05] it's very possible that his generals are
[57:07] saying to him, "A, we don't believe the
[57:10] United States has those forces. Not all
[57:12] of them there. We looked, we didn't see
[57:13] them. I I'm um I I promise I won't do
[57:17] this too often. Gary Striker is one of
[57:18] our inbeds. Hard to get these guys on
[57:20] the air. He's out at sea. Um report to
[57:24] us what you can.
[57:26] Um well Aaron, uh we're out on the um
[57:30] USS Theodore Roosevelt in the Eastern
[57:31] Mediterranean
[57:33] and uh you may hear above me, we're in a
[57:35] room just below the flight deck. Uh
[57:37] Tomcats and Hornets are taking off, but
[57:39] this is business as usual on this
[57:41] aircraft this time of day.
[57:44] They're practicing uh launches and
[57:46] recoveries and there's no indication
[57:48] that any of the fighter aircraft on on
[57:52] this carrier are participating in uh any
[57:54] action that may be taking place over
[57:56] Iraq right now. Uh the Pentagon as as
[58:00] you've uh indicated uh released some
[58:02] video from the uh Donald Cook, a
[58:05] destroyer uh which actually is in the
[58:08] Red Sea but came from one of the battle
[58:11] groups here in the Mediterranean uh last
[58:14] week. They slipped through the Suez
[58:16] Canal to get to the Red Sea where they
[58:18] would be in a position to uh launch
[58:21] crews as those Tomahawks um uh from from
[58:24] there. there was some question about
[58:26] whether they uh could maintain their
[58:28] position in in the eastern Mediterranean
[58:31] uh as effectively as they could in the
[58:32] Red Sea. So they slipped through the
[58:34] Suez Canal last week with some degree of
[58:37] secrecy. It was a very um uh tedious
[58:42] process of getting through the canal
[58:43] because of uh obvious security concerns,
[58:45] possible terrorist attacks when they're
[58:47] exposed to danger. Um but at at this
[58:50] point now um Aaron there's there's
[58:53] nothing happening on the on the
[58:56] Roosevelt or as we understand on the on
[58:58] the Truman
[58:59] >> uh in in the Eastern Mediterranean that
[59:01] bears on this conflict right now in the
[59:04] over Iraq
[59:05] >> Gary but they are aware are they not
[59:07] what has already happened today or last
[59:10] night are they?
[59:11] >> Oh yes they are.
[59:12] >> Okay. And how did they find out? Do you
[59:13] know?
[59:15] >> Uh the men on the ship.
[59:17] >> Yeah. And women. The men on the ship are
[59:19] are watching um CNN. Uh the men on the
[59:23] ship are watching television. They've
[59:25] got uh they're plugged into uh uh into
[59:28] the internet uh as well, but uh they
[59:31] have televisions throughout this vessel
[59:33] and uh most of them are tuned uh to CNN
[59:37] on a 24-hour basis at this point.
[59:38] >> Well, I I threw a hanging curve and I
[59:40] appreciate very much you're hitting it
[59:41] out of the park. Gary, thank you. Gary
[59:43] Striker out at C Nick Robertson in uh
[59:46] Baghdad. Nick, it is still playing out
[59:48] there. The siren still going off. Is
[59:50] that right?
[59:52] >> Indeed. This seems to be the all clear
[59:54] siren going off again, Aaron. No sounds
[59:58] of anti-aircraft gunfire at this time.
[60:00] It it does appear to be the all clear at
[60:02] this moment.
[60:03] >> Okay. Uh hang on, Nick. Let me go back
[60:04] to General Clark for a second if I can.
[60:06] Uh General, what are what is Tommy
[60:10] Franks doing? General Franks doing? What
[60:12] are the planners doing right now? They
[60:15] have started something. What would you
[60:17] guess they are doing now?
[60:19] >> Well, it it's daylight, so first of all,
[60:22] they're all awake and working on this
[60:23] issue. And secondly, they may be trying
[60:27] to uh continue to adjust the timetable.
[60:29] There may be other targets of
[60:31] opportunity that they're after, they may
[60:32] have decided since they've sprung it
[60:35] now, now they've got to have extra
[60:37] patrols airborne to take advantage of
[60:39] what's happening next. Or they may
[60:40] simply have told people move it up.
[60:42] They're also going to be concerned about
[60:44] how to synchronize the air and the
[60:46] ground. It's possible the ground forces
[60:48] could sit there for a while, but
[60:50] normally doctrally in an attack
[60:52] position, you'd like to pause there for
[60:55] as little time as possible. And so
[60:58] there's probably phone calls going
[61:00] through back and forth trying to figure
[61:02] out okay now they know we're coming and
[61:04] uh so how much tactical surprise is left
[61:07] and how do we play one side off against
[61:09] the other and what does this unit do and
[61:11] that unit do now and if not now then
[61:14] when so I think there's a lot of highle
[61:16] conversations going on right now and I
[61:17] think the troops down uh down at the
[61:20] bottom are cleaning their weapons and
[61:22] looking at their maps again and making
[61:24] routine uh pre- battle checks. Do you
[61:27] have any sense that those troops those
[61:29] particularly you know we we've had this
[61:30] concern over the last couple of days we
[61:32] the United States government has had
[61:34] this concern over the last couple of
[61:35] days that Saddam might launch a
[61:38] preemptive attack now that there has
[61:40] been these cruise missiles uh dropped on
[61:42] him. Is it your view that the American
[61:45] forces the British forces are in any
[61:47] greater danger now than they were at
[61:50] 9:00 Eastern time tonight last night? I
[61:53] think that's I think that's got to be a
[61:54] consideration and surely we're doing
[61:56] everything we can to prevent his ability
[61:59] to execute an attack like that. But in
[62:01] fact, we did move and uh even though
[62:05] this is a big wide open desert, he does
[62:08] not have spy satellites. He cannot see
[62:10] us and he's having a hard time locating
[62:12] us. And Kuwait looks small on a map, but
[62:14] when you consider how the forces are
[62:17] laid out there, you can fire at a lot of
[62:19] empty desert and not hit anything. So, I
[62:20] think we're safer for having moved.
[62:23] >> Um, just hang on a second just to keep
[62:25] viewers a breast of sort of where in the
[62:26] world everything is at this moment. The
[62:28] Iraqi information minister is talking to
[62:30] reporters. We'll get a translation of
[62:32] that as we go. Uh, that's going on.
[62:37] Now, we now we can translate it. So we
[62:39] shall
[62:40] >> our
[62:42] country and our people in defiance
[62:48] of international law international
[62:52] community
[62:56] against
[62:58] nations
[63:00] and as I said
[63:05] we
[63:07] understand
[63:10] to deal with these people.
[63:14] They are criminals. They're mercenaries.
[63:19] The international law that applies to
[63:22] armed struggle does not apply to them.
[63:26] This is naked aggression
[63:29] and piracy. And this is what pirates and
[63:34] mercenaries do. This is what war
[63:37] criminals do. Therefore,
[63:40] international law does not apply to
[63:42] them. They are criminals.
[63:48] Naked aggression will be met by Iraqi
[63:52] resistance.
[63:56] People of Iraq will defeat this
[63:57] aggression.
[64:01] ask you
[64:04] the word
[64:07] crimes of the Americans and the Zionists
[64:10] and the British.
[64:12] We will take over
[64:15] so you can show the world.
[64:19] Feel free to show them these crimes.
[64:23] Now I
[64:29] the minister of
[64:31] culture Ysef Hamadi.
[64:35] Today the American administration has
[64:39] declared its bankruptcy.
[64:43] Today that bankruptcy has become
[64:46] official before the entire world.
[64:50] And I'm not talking about the
[64:56] uh media side. My colleague here has
[65:00] told you
[65:03] I would like to tell the world that the
[65:08] pretext that was used by the American
[65:11] administration that Iraq had weapons of
[65:14] mass destruction that was changed to
[65:18] what's so called regime change.
[65:24] I would like you to go back to the
[65:30] December.
[65:31] >> 9th of December.
[65:35] >> 1988.
[65:37] >> December. September.
[65:39] >> 9th of September.
[65:42] >> 1988.
[65:49] >> The information and culture ministers of
[65:52] Iraq, uh, talking to reporters. Um, I'm
[65:56] not sure what the question was that
[65:58] launched that rhetorical attack or even
[66:01] if there was one. Uh, but that is part
[66:03] of the moment and part of what goes on
[66:05] in these moments in an attempt to play
[66:08] to these multiple constituencies that
[66:10] General Clark uh was talking about a
[66:12] little bit ago. I was a lowly seaman in
[66:14] the Coast Guard. I've I've interrupted a
[66:16] general twice tonight. I will pay for
[66:18] that at some point. Cristian.
[66:23] Well, Aaron, clearly a concerted effort
[66:25] by the top leadership in Baghdad to come
[66:27] out fighting, if you like, at least
[66:29] rhetorically, at least with their
[66:31] presence. If indeed that this uh cruise
[66:33] missile attack, apparently we're told 40
[66:35] cruise missiles launched at so-called
[66:37] leadership target, well then the Iraqis
[66:40] are doing their utmost to show us that
[66:42] the top leadership is intact. Saddam
[66:44] Hussein giving that speech and there you
[66:46] had the minister of uh information and
[66:48] the president of the Iraqi National
[66:50] Assembly talking and carrying on the
[66:53] rhetorical uh barrage against President
[66:56] Bush against the uh US-led action in
[66:59] Iraq right now. Going back to Saddam
[67:01] Hussein's speech, looking at the
[67:02] transcript, at least some of it, he
[67:04] basically, as Wolf pointed out earlier,
[67:06] very cleverly alluded to the date,
[67:09] today, 20th of March, 2003 in this part
[67:12] of the world. And he said, "Draw your
[67:14] sword. I'm not afraid." He went on to
[67:16] denounce President Bush and said that
[67:18] they would have no chance of winning.
[67:20] What we know is that from this end
[67:23] anyway,