PBS NewsHour - 2005-08-31 (Hurricane Katrina)
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[5:19] The crisis in New Orleans grew more
[5:21] desperate today. Mayor Ray Negan
[5:23] announced Hurricane Katrina killed
[5:25] hundreds of people, possibly thousands.
[5:28] He warned bodies could trigger outbreaks
[5:30] of disease. Water finally stopped
[5:33] surging through breached levies today,
[5:35] but the city remained flooded. Louisiana
[5:38] Governor Kathleen Blanco appealed for
[5:40] help to stop looting and to help
[5:42] survivors. We believe that we need to
[5:44] free up the National Guard essentially
[5:46] to do security in the city. And uh I'm
[5:50] asking for military presence to uh to do
[5:55] all of the to do help us with the
[5:58] evacuation to take take charge of the
[6:00] evacuation and do u all of the other
[6:03] things that our people have been doing.
[6:05] >> Officials in Mississippi reported at
[6:07] least 110 people killed there. The worst
[6:10] of the storm blasted the Bualuxy and
[6:12] Gulfport areas and left little intact
[6:15] along their coastlines. Across the Gulf
[6:18] region, at least 70,000 people were in
[6:20] shelters. Federal officials said some
[6:22] may never be able to return. Disaster
[6:25] relief efforts moved into higher gear
[6:27] today. 21,000 National Guard troops were
[6:30] mobilized and the US Navy dispatched a
[6:33] hospital ship, helicopter carriers, and
[6:35] supplies. President Bush flew over the
[6:38] damaged zone on his way back to
[6:40] Washington from Texas. He spoke later in
[6:42] the Rose Garden at the White House.
[6:45] >> The folks on the Gulf Coast are going to
[6:47] need the help of this country for a long
[6:48] time.
[6:51] This is going to be a a difficult road.
[6:58] The challenges that we face on the
[6:59] ground are unprecedented.
[7:03] But there's no doubt in my mind we're
[7:05] going to succeed.
[7:09] Right now, the days seem awfully dark
[7:10] for those affected. I understand that.
[7:14] But I'm confident
[7:16] that with time, you get your life back
[7:19] in order.
[7:21] New communities will flourish.
[7:23] The great city of New Orleans will be
[7:25] back on its feet,
[7:27] and America will be a stronger place for
[7:29] it.
[7:30] The president also urged all Americans
[7:33] to help by contributing to the Red
[7:35] Cross. We'll have much more on the
[7:36] hurricane's aftermath and the response
[7:38] right after this news summary. The
[7:41] hurricane cut oil output in the Gulf by
[7:43] 95%. So today, the energy department
[7:46] opened the strategic petroleum reserve
[7:48] to make up the shortfall. In response,
[7:51] oil futures in New York dropped nearly
[7:53] 90s to settle under $69 a barrel. But
[7:57] the refinery shutdowns along the Gulf
[8:00] fueled gasoline prices. They spiked 30
[8:02] to 50 cents overnight across the
[8:05] country. We'll have more on the energy
[8:07] part of this story later in the program.
[8:09] Wall Street had a hurricane rally today.
[8:12] Investors bought oil company stocks and
[8:14] shares in companies that could help
[8:16] rebuild the Gulf Coast. The Dow Jones
[8:18] Industrial Average gained more than 68
[8:20] points to close at 10,481.
[8:24] The NASDAQ rose 22 points to close at
[8:26] 2152.
[8:28] Hundreds of Iraqis were killed in a
[8:30] stampede in Baghdad today. The health
[8:33] ministry said 769 died, most of them
[8:37] women and children, more than 300 others
[8:39] were hurt. It happened as thousands of
[8:42] Shiites were crossing a bridge in a
[8:44] religious ceremony. Rumors of a suicide
[8:47] bomber in the crowd ignited panic and
[8:50] the victims were trampled or jumped into
[8:52] the Tigress River and drowned. We'll
[8:54] have more on this story later in the
[8:56] program. Back in this country, the Food
[8:58] and Drug Administration approved a new
[9:00] flu vaccine today made by Glaco Smith
[9:03] Klein. The company will be the country's
[9:05] third major supplier. There were only
[9:07] two last year and one had to stop
[9:09] production over contamination fears. A
[9:12] top FDA official resigned today in a
[9:14] dispute over emergency contraception.
[9:17] Susan Wood had been director for women's
[9:19] health. She criticized the agency for
[9:22] not allowing sales of the morning after
[9:24] pill without a prescription. The FDA
[9:27] said last week it could not decide how
[9:28] to enforce an age limit for such sales.
[9:32] And that's it for the news summary
[9:33] tonight. Now it's on to the tragedies
[9:35] along the US Gulf Coast and across a
[9:38] bridge in Baghdad.
[9:49] The terrible stories of Hurricane
[9:50] Katrina continue. Spencer Michaels
[9:52] begins our coverage with this report on
[9:55] the day's developments.
[9:57] While officials assessed the damage and
[9:59] attempted to relieve the misery, the
[10:02] people of New Orleans tried to cope with
[10:04] an unprecedented disaster. With water
[10:07] pouring into city streets through two
[10:09] levy breaks and 80% of the city
[10:11] underwater, the mayor said he had no
[10:14] choice but to order the total evacuation
[10:16] of the city. He added that New Orleans
[10:18] won't be functional for 2 or 3 months.
[10:22] Attempts to plug the breaches with
[10:24] sandbags have thus far failed. The risk
[10:27] of disease is growing as officials
[10:29] confirmed bodies are floating in the
[10:31] water around the city. So today,
[10:34] refugees awaited help. There are as many
[10:37] as 1 million homeless people across the
[10:39] region.
[10:40] >> I got to keep a strong friend in front
[10:42] of my children and if I panic, then
[10:44] they're going to panic. As long as I
[10:45] have my family,
[10:49] everybody else is all right
[10:52] and we're very grateful.
[10:53] >> Coast Guard teams continued rescue
[10:55] operations by helicopter, plucking
[10:58] people huddled on rooftops. Hundreds
[11:00] remained stranded on rooftops and
[11:02] balconies, frantically waving and
[11:05] holding signs, calling for help, hoping
[11:08] for rescue. This woman had to decide
[11:11] which of her family members to leave
[11:13] behind because the police rescuing the
[11:16] family had limited space.
[11:18] >> I was trying to send the baby and my
[11:22] daughter with the police officer because
[11:25] the baby have a respiratory problem.
[11:29] But I'm looking at my other daughter
[11:30] with her three kids and my brother
[11:33] standing there and it's like I want to
[11:35] be there with them because I feel like
[11:37] when my daughter
[11:40] had a chance to go with the policeman,
[11:42] it would it would have been a good
[11:43] choice. But to leave my my brother and
[11:47] my grandkids and my other daughter, it's
[11:51] like I couldn't do it. But my my baby
[11:54] girl with the baby, she was screaming it
[11:58] out and saying, "Mom, if you don't come
[12:01] kill myself, you got to come with me."
[12:04] You know, so my daughter told me, she
[12:07] said, "Mom, take my daughter, take
[12:10] Lexus." And she said, "Go."
[12:13] >> Many residents didn't evacuate because
[12:15] they didn't have cars, money for gas, or
[12:17] anywhere to go. A quarter of New Orleans
[12:20] residents live below the poverty level.
[12:23] It's
[12:23] >> just a thing that uh that always
[12:25] happened. The one that had the lease
[12:28] seem like they'll hit harder than
[12:29] anything else.
[12:31] >> Other residents made the conscious
[12:33] decision to weather the storm.
[12:35] >> I work for the sheriff at in all Parish
[12:38] and I was afraid, you know, if the water
[12:40] wasn't high, I'd have to go to work. So,
[12:42] we decided to ride it out
[12:45] and uh it was a bad mistake. This man
[12:47] was looking ahead to rebuilding, but he
[12:50] has no insurance.
[12:51] >> Don't nobody give me any kind of
[12:52] assistance. I'm just going to have to
[12:53] try to do it piece by piece, piece, wood
[12:55] by wood, paycheck by paycheck.
[12:58] >> Lutters roamed the streets, particularly
[13:00] in the French Quarter, which sits on
[13:02] higher ground and wasn't flooded as
[13:04] badly as the rest of the city.
[13:06] >> It was a disaster. It was people were
[13:09] shooting right across the street from
[13:11] me. And
[13:11] >> they were shooting guns.
[13:12] >> They were shooting at each other. They
[13:14] were saying that they didn't care about
[13:16] life anymore. And uh it was just it was
[13:19] just disastrous. It was rioting. They
[13:22] had a building burning down, a pawn shop
[13:24] where they had seted a fire and uh
[13:27] people were just looting and it was just
[13:30] it's like a movie to me. You know, I
[13:32] still haven't woke up. I feel like I'm
[13:34] in a dream or something.
[13:36] >> Others wandered the flooded streets
[13:38] desperately looking for basic supplies.
[13:41] water, food, shelter, and gasoline.
[13:44] There's no electricity and no running
[13:46] water, and many communication systems
[13:49] remain down. Inmates from a jail were
[13:52] moved out of their flooded cells and
[13:54] onto exit ramps of nearby highways as
[13:57] guards stood by with guns. Not far away,
[14:00] the Super Dome, where tens of thousands
[14:03] sought shelter, was surrounded by at
[14:05] least 8 ft of water. Thousands more
[14:08] refugees sat outside the Superdome
[14:10] waiting for shelter. Texas Governor Rick
[14:13] Perry and his response team today
[14:15] explained they'd shelter the 23,000
[14:18] refugees at Houston's Astrodome,
[14:21] transferring them in a bus caravan.
[14:24] >> The Astrodome is a county facility. We
[14:26] have worked closely and have contingency
[14:28] plans to use the dome as a emergency
[14:31] disaster recovery and and refuge center
[14:34] in the event of a storm here in Houston.
[14:36] We are implementing those plans today
[14:38] for New Orleans. Uh the dome is not
[14:41] suited well for this kind of a crowd for
[14:44] a long term. The problem when you put 20
[14:45] or 30,000 people in a single place, you
[14:48] have problems of privacy. You have
[14:49] problems of just social social issues,
[14:52] psychological problems. When you put
[14:53] those people in that kind of an
[14:54] environment, we are also dealing with
[14:56] people who have been without food,
[14:57] without water, without sanitary sewer,
[15:00] uh without the ability to take a shower
[15:01] for three or four days. They're not
[15:02] happy when they come here and we are
[15:04] cognizant of that. uh we will provide a
[15:06] place for as long as is necessary but
[15:08] are working closely with FEMA with the
[15:10] governor's emergency management
[15:11] officials to try to move them through
[15:13] the dome to other facilities uh where
[15:15] they would be better better suited for
[15:17] the longer term.
[15:18] >> Army National Guard troops continued
[15:20] arriving on the scene to assist and keep
[15:22] law and order and four Navy ships left
[15:25] from Norfolk, Virginia today to join the
[15:28] relief effort. that case of water may be
[15:30] the case of water that that makes it to
[15:31] one of my family members and uh you know
[15:34] just just knowing that I had a small
[15:35] part in that is going to be u you know
[15:38] good for me just knowing I in some way I
[15:40] helped
[15:41] >> 32 mi northeast of New Orleans this is
[15:44] all that remains of the town of Slidell
[15:47] >> is gone it's total disaster nothing left
[15:50] everything
[15:51] >> we just didn't think it would be that
[15:52] bad but um inside our home uh the water
[15:56] was up to here
[15:58] >> interstate A10 used to go through
[16:00] Slidell, but now it looks like a jigsaw
[16:02] puzzle. Katrina tore out the bridge
[16:05] leading into the town of 25,000.
[16:08] This house was cut in half by a fallen
[16:11] tree. Jim Day was sitting in his garage
[16:14] when the tree came through the roof.
[16:17] >> Crash bang. I dove out of the car into
[16:18] the house.
[16:21] >> Where was your heart?
[16:22] >> It was still in the car. Next door in
[16:24] Mississippi, Gulfport today lies a city
[16:27] in ruins. Residents stood in line for
[16:30] ice as military police patrolled the
[16:32] streets. In Baloxy, casinos and homes up
[16:36] and down the coast were flattened by the
[16:39] 30foot storm surge.
[16:41] >> There's not a word to describe it.
[16:44] Wondering how long it's going to take
[16:45] for things to get back to normal. Power,
[16:47] water, um, food, gas, stores destroyed,
[16:51] gas stations destroyed. um homes
[16:54] destroyed, loss of life. It's just
[16:58] there's no question in my mind if
[16:59] there's ever a storm, you know,
[17:02] approaching. Next time we're going to
[17:04] leave the area and we won't worry about
[17:06] trying to get back because a lot of
[17:07] times there's not, as you can see,
[17:08] there's not much to come back to.
[17:10] >> We raised seven children here, my wife
[17:12] and I are 73 and 74.
[17:15] And yesterday,
[17:17] this hurricane wiped us clean. Every one
[17:20] of my children lost everything they had.
[17:22] This property right here has been in the
[17:25] the family.
[17:27] This was my uncle's house right here.
[17:30] This was my grandmother's house.
[17:36] This was my pawn shop over here.
[17:40] And I also had a jet ski rental business
[17:42] out of there's a house right back in the
[17:44] back back over here that uh you can't
[17:47] quite see it, but it's my aunt's house
[17:50] and it's totaled. These are just gone
[17:53] completely and uh you know we have a
[17:57] pretty long history here on the Connor
[17:59] and it's all gone. It's just it's
[18:02] devastating. It looks like someone nuked
[18:05] the place. It's just
[18:08] I'm an emotional mess. I mean I just I
[18:10] can't deal with it.
[18:12] >> Late today in New Orleans, one ray of
[18:15] hope amid what officials are calling an
[18:17] impossible situation. Water stopped
[18:20] rising as the levels between the city
[18:22] and lake poncho train equalized and in
[18:25] some places the water appeared to be
[18:27] dropping slightly. But New Orleans is
[18:30] far from out of the woods.
[18:33] Cammy Nzaram of Independent Television
[18:36] News is in Beluxy, Mississippi. He spent
[18:39] the day surveying the damage with
[18:40] residents of the area
[18:43] >> are totally devastated and gone. Um
[18:45] these um were businesses that used to
[18:48] exist before the hurricane Katrina.
[18:51] >> Paul is looking for his friend. His bar
[18:54] used to be on the beach here, but now
[18:56] it's gone.
[18:57] >> I was working in this bar the night
[18:58] before the hurricane came through.
[19:00] >> But I mean there's it's gone. There's
[19:02] nothing left.
[19:02] >> There's absolutely nothing left. Um
[19:05] except for the sign. It's no longer here
[19:08] and I no longer have a job.
[19:11] Gulfport Beloxy's 27m man-made beach is
[19:14] quite frankly no more. Hurricane Katrina
[19:18] leveling the town and also social
[19:20] barriers, million-dollar mansions and
[19:22] shacks alike. The storm did not
[19:24] discriminate. And amid the wreckage,
[19:26] heartfelt reunions.
[19:28] >> The reason I'm still here is because of
[19:30] that. That protected you. That that big
[19:32] building behind you, the tower block. If
[19:35] that wasn't there, you'd have been
[19:36] flattened. It
[19:37] >> been gone.
[19:38] >> I didn't think it was going to be that
[19:39] bad. I really didn't. I underestimated
[19:41] it.
[19:42] >> See where the water level was?
[19:44] >> It was all in the garage and of course
[19:46] everything floated.
[19:47] >> My my apartment complex is in the Gulf.
[19:51] >> Looks like a battle zone.
[19:52] >> Yeah.
[19:54] >> People here have run out of everything.
[19:56] There's still no power. Not long after
[19:58] sunrise, it's already in the '9s. It's
[20:00] starting to smell feted.
[20:02] >> Man, you're a godsend.
[20:03] >> Hey, hope it helps.
[20:05] >> Oh man. Every little
[20:09] Thank you, brother.
[20:11] >> I guess you could call Paul and Eddie
[20:13] lucky. Many were not. At least 30 killed
[20:16] when their apartment block collapsed.
[20:18] Even those already at peace weren't
[20:20] spared.
[20:22] What you can see about 2 mi in the
[20:24] distance is a floating casino ship.
[20:26] There was another floating casino there.
[20:29] That casino is now here. It's moved 2
[20:32] miles down the beach and it in doing so,
[20:34] it's completely leveled this hotel. This
[20:37] was a 20 row holiday in and it's
[20:39] completely gone by three rows. The power
[20:42] of this thing was just devastating
[20:44] today. The beach an escape route. Casino
[20:47] workers no longer with jobs. Many simply
[20:50] with nowhere to go.
[20:51] >> We're from Oregon, California.
[20:53] >> And um you going to be coming back here
[20:55] soon?
[20:56] >> No.
[20:57] >> Probably not in my lifetime.
[20:58] >> Probably not in our lifetime.
[21:01] >> What What is the situation back there?
[21:02] >> Um
[21:02] >> it's horrible. It's
[21:04] >> pretty much houses are gone. People have
[21:06] lost all their stuff.
[21:08] >> Total chaos.
[21:10] >> Our house was completely covered in mud.
[21:12] >> But anybody on the first floor wouldn't
[21:14] have made it.
[21:15] >> And neighbors now bonded by more than
[21:18] just proximity.
[21:19] >> And the storm surge would take it up.
[21:22] Then after a little bit, it would come
[21:24] down and then it would rise again. And
[21:26] each time it came in, it got higher and
[21:27] higher. And it was way over our heads.
[21:30] It was probably what about 12 ft. The
[21:32] first floor was completely covered,
[21:35] >> windows and all.
[21:36] >> Yeah.
[21:37] >> The beachfront a wretched reminder. This
[21:40] is all that's left.
[21:42] >> Troantus of Newsweek magazine has been
[21:45] driving from the baton from the Baton
[21:46] Rouge area toward New Orleans all day
[21:48] today. He spoke by phone with Ray Suarez
[21:51] a short time ago. Joe Contrarus,
[21:54] welcome. Why is it so hard to get back
[21:56] into New Orleans?
[21:59] Since the immediate aftermath of
[22:01] Hurricane Katrina on Monday morning, law
[22:04] enforcement authorities have been
[22:07] sharply restricting access to the New
[22:10] Orleans metropolitan area and in
[22:12] particular the center city. All major
[22:16] access routes have been blocked and
[22:18] because of the unique topography and
[22:20] geography of New Orleans, there are
[22:22] very, very few access roads under normal
[22:26] circumstances. I just got turned back
[22:30] about maybe five miles outside the
[22:33] outskirts of the city. And essentially,
[22:36] law enforcement authorities want to keep
[22:38] a very, very
[22:41] close control on the number of people
[22:43] entering the city in view of the
[22:45] deteriorating security situation on the
[22:47] streets of New Orleans.
[22:48] >> Well, you're finding it hard to get back
[22:50] in. Are people still pouring out of the
[22:52] area?
[22:54] I have not seen a lot of vehicles
[22:57] streaming
[22:59] westbound out of the city today. Um I
[23:02] think that um there are some people who
[23:07] remained in the city who are being bust
[23:10] out but by no means is it an exodus at
[23:13] this point. I suppose in view of the
[23:15] very uh restricted
[23:18] supply of available vehicles for
[23:21] transporting people out of the stricken
[23:22] area.
[23:23] >> You had tried to get on a boat, didn't
[23:25] you? What came of that? been trying to
[23:27] organize maritime transport for the last
[23:30] 36 hours and have yet to find either a
[23:34] boat owner willing to brave the security
[23:37] situation in the city or willing to risk
[23:42] having his vessel possibly damaged by
[23:46] overturned trees floating in the water,
[23:49] pieces of metal debris floating in the
[23:52] water. Uh so yes, that has proven to be
[23:55] a dead end.
[23:57] >> It's estimated 4 million people are
[23:59] without electricity in the areas
[24:01] affected by Hurricane Katrina. As a
[24:04] practical matter, what has that meant to
[24:06] daily life in southern Louisiana?
[24:09] >> Well, it's meant for example that uh no
[24:12] one can get gasoline in large stretches
[24:16] of that part that portion of the state.
[24:19] I'm at a gasoline station near a rural
[24:23] area called Lelass and I just heard a
[24:27] refugee complaining to a friend of hers
[24:30] on this very pay phone that they are
[24:32] stuck. They have only a quarter tank of
[24:34] gas. They can't back get back into their
[24:37] home. They're being told by authorities
[24:39] to go to Tennessee. They don't have
[24:40] enough fuel in their tanks to get much
[24:44] past the border with Mississippi. uh in
[24:47] Baton Rouge, the state capital, which
[24:50] really emerged only with cuts and
[24:51] bruises, relatively speaking, from
[24:54] Hurricane Katrina, there are long lines
[24:56] of cars at gasoline station that do have
[25:00] power and I spent the night in a very
[25:03] very upmarket suburb uh with a family
[25:07] and we all just sweated out the brutal
[25:10] humidity of a Louisiana summer.
[25:12] >> Now, I noted you use the word refugee.
[25:14] Now, you're someone who across your
[25:16] career has covered a lot of calamities
[25:19] in Central and South America. Is this a
[25:21] word that you use with care in this
[25:23] situation?
[25:24] >> I do use it with care, but I think it is
[25:27] opposite because the term evacuee does
[25:30] not quite capture the full human drama
[25:34] and suffering that people in this part
[25:37] of the country are enduring. As I said
[25:40] to your colleague Neil Conan yesterday,
[25:43] the images that I've seen, the motel and
[25:46] hotels of East Texas and southern
[25:48] Louisiana packed with people from all
[25:52] walks of life brought to mind images of
[25:56] Parisians fleeing the French capital as
[25:59] the Nazis advanced in May of 1940. It
[26:02] brought to mind scenes that I have
[26:04] witnessed in El Salvador, in Angola, in
[26:07] Mosmbique, in Nicaragua,
[26:10] uh, of of people who are displaced. But
[26:13] in those cases, they had their worlds
[26:15] turned upside down by military conflict
[26:18] as opposed to natural disaster. I
[26:20] covered the Mexico City earthquake in
[26:22] 1985 that killed 20,000 people. And I
[26:24] never witnessed anything like the drama,
[26:28] the human suffering, and the sheer
[26:32] quantity of people whose lives have been
[26:34] turned upside down by a natural
[26:37] catastrophe as what I have witnessed in
[26:39] the last 36 hours.
[26:40] >> What have people been telling you about
[26:42] what's happening to them, what they're
[26:44] going through?
[26:46] >> Well, frankly, they're saying that life
[26:49] as they knew it will never exist again
[26:51] for a very, very long time. I heard the
[26:54] president of the New Orleans City
[26:56] Council, Oliver Thomas, saying earlier
[26:58] today that there is so much water in the
[27:02] city that it should be recristened Lake
[27:05] New Orleans. He said that he remembers
[27:07] how the Twin Towers at the foot of
[27:10] Manhattan were renamed ground zero. And
[27:14] to him, New Orleans should be called
[27:16] Lake Zero. This is a city that will
[27:20] require decades to rebuild, reconstruct,
[27:24] and many people are frankly walking
[27:28] around like zombies, like people out of
[27:31] a horror movie because of the dimensions
[27:35] of the biblical scale of the disaster
[27:37] that has happened to their lives.
[27:39] >> Joe Contrarus from Newsweek, thanks a
[27:41] lot for joining us.
[27:43] >> Thank you.
[27:45] As the frustrations have grown in New
[27:47] Orleans and the surrounding area today,
[27:49] government relief efforts have been
[27:51] criticized by by some local residents. A
[27:54] short time ago, Louisiana Governor
[27:56] Kathleen Blanco responded to those
[27:59] criticisms and spoke about her own
[28:01] frustrations.
[28:03] >> You need to understand that we are
[28:04] working in a what is essentially a
[28:07] primitive site condition.
[28:09] uh it it um these conditions make it
[28:13] extremely impossible to do everything
[28:16] that is absolutely essential to be done
[28:18] simultaneously.
[28:20] So we have deployed our people um in a
[28:24] prioritized fashion and our goal is to
[28:26] save as many lives as possible. We
[28:28] begged all of those people, the mayor
[28:30] begged the people, the parish presidents
[28:32] begged people to get out. The people
[28:35] chose who stayed chose to stay in some
[28:38] cases and in other cases had limited
[28:41] resources but they were given
[28:43] opportunity. Even those with limited
[28:45] resources were given opportunities and
[28:47] perhaps the communications network did
[28:49] not filter rapidly enough. We were
[28:51] working on a very short timeline when
[28:54] that hurricane turned its firepower on
[28:56] Louisiana. We acted as rapidly as
[28:59] humanly possible and we got out over a
[29:01] million people out of that region. Now
[29:04] you know uh we have limited resources.
[29:07] No state, no region is prepared for the
[29:10] dimensions that we have dealt with. But
[29:12] I will tell you something. We have
[29:14] heroes a minute in this operation. We
[29:17] have people who have extended themselves
[29:20] in such a dramatic fashion. You know
[29:22] that you'll have plenty stories to write
[29:24] about our heroes. But I I do want to
[29:26] tell you what angers me the most is that
[29:31] usually disasters like this bring out
[29:34] the best in everybody. And that's what
[29:38] we expected to see. And now we've got
[29:40] people that is bringing out the worst
[29:42] in. And we're going to restore law and
[29:45] order. We are not going to put up with
[29:47] the kinds of things that we have heard.
[29:50] We're not going to put up with petty
[29:52] criminals or hard hardened criminals
[29:54] doing their business. This is not a time
[29:57] or a place for any of that behavior. And
[30:00] I am just furious. This is intolerant.
[30:04] Louisiana people are too good. They're
[30:06] too strong. They're too they're too
[30:08] wonderful. They're too noble for our
[30:10] reputation to be destroyed by these this
[30:13] criminal element that is that is just
[30:16] making us um have to turn essential uh
[30:20] people over to to taking them off the
[30:23] streets. And we will take them off the
[30:25] streets and they will be dealt with
[30:26] appropriately. Now, you know, this is
[30:29] massive. I think that anybody who's seen
[30:32] it firsthand knows that the logistics
[30:36] are impossible. The Red Cross cannot set
[30:38] up in that disaster area. All people
[30:41] have to come out to get the kind of help
[30:43] that is necessary. Um there's no place
[30:46] to function there or function in a
[30:49] rational civilized fashion. And as we
[30:54] eliminate the water from the streets and
[30:57] from the houses, people will be able to
[30:59] go back in. We will be able to to
[31:02] actually assess the situation. We know
[31:04] that there are people trapped in their
[31:06] in their atticss. We're trying to get
[31:08] those out. The ones who are alive are
[31:11] being removed right now. The ones who
[31:14] didn't make it. We don't even know where
[31:17] they are. We don't know which houses had
[31:20] people and which didn't. Certainly, a
[31:22] lot of people are calling in knowing
[31:23] that their relatives were in certain
[31:25] houses. We've got addresses, but I will
[31:27] tell you, addresses mean nothing right
[31:29] now because street signs are underwater
[31:31] in so many places. Um, you know, so you
[31:34] have to have a coordinated effort. You
[31:37] have to have some people who know the
[31:39] area, who do it systematically, who pick
[31:41] up people as they come upon them. Now,
[31:44] Gwen Eiffel looks specifically at what
[31:47] happened to New Orleans levy system.
[31:52] >> It is now nearly impossible to tell
[31:54] where Lake Pont Train ends and the city
[31:57] of New Orleans begins. The Crescent
[31:59] City, wedged at the mouth of the
[32:01] Mississippi River below sea level, has
[32:03] finally lost its centurylong battle
[32:06] against the waters which surround it.
[32:08] Cascades are rushing in through two
[32:11] large breaches in the wall of levies
[32:13] designed to keep the combined waters of
[32:15] the river, the Gulf, and the lake at
[32:18] bay.
[32:18] >> There is no delineation between the
[32:20] river and this neighborhood. It looks
[32:21] like the neighborhood was built in the
[32:23] Mississippi River. Mayor Ray Negan told
[32:25] ABC this morning, "The situation is
[32:28] dire."
[32:29] >> So, what's happening right now is the
[32:30] bowl effect that everybody talked about
[32:33] is happening as we speak. And the water
[32:35] will rise to try and equal the water
[32:39] level of the lake, which is 3 ft above
[32:42] sea level. And that's significant
[32:44] because on St. Charles Avenue, one of
[32:46] our most uh famous avenues, it it's 6 ft
[32:49] below sea level in elevation. So there
[32:52] will be 9 ft in that area and probably
[32:54] 20 feet in other areas of the city.
[32:56] >> The levies are a principal component in
[32:58] a line of defenses erected over the
[33:00] years to protect New Orleans. They act
[33:02] like the walls of a fortress on the
[33:04] city's southern edge that keep the
[33:06] Mississippi River penned in. And on the
[33:08] city's northern border, they keep the
[33:10] 600 square miles of Lake Poncho Train at
[33:13] bay. In the east, a levy has breached
[33:16] along the industrial canal which
[33:18] connects the lake to the river. A large
[33:20] swath of East New Orleans is under deep
[33:23] water as a result. On the north side of
[33:26] town, a 150yard section of the 17th
[33:29] Street Canal has been decimated. The
[33:32] results simply disastrous. As this
[33:35] cross-section of the city shows, nearly
[33:37] the entire city is below sea, river, or
[33:40] lake level. There is nowhere for the
[33:42] water to go once it invades. Ordinarily,
[33:46] a vast network of giant pumps moves
[33:48] water through and out of the city, but
[33:50] the rising tide has knocked out many of
[33:52] those pumps. The Army Corps of Engineers
[33:55] built or fortified much of the present
[33:57] system. This afternoon, Louisiana
[34:00] emergency management officials outlined
[34:02] efforts to plug the levies with giant
[34:04] sandbags.
[34:05] >> There are 3,000 lb sandbags that have
[34:08] gone some have gone in. Okay, we've got
[34:11] another hundred that are ready to go
[34:13] into the hole.
[34:15] As soon as the slings arrive on
[34:17] location, we have 20,000 lb sandbags
[34:22] that are going to be filled
[34:24] and ready for drop into the hole
[34:27] sometime later today and tonight.
[34:29] >> Once the levies are repaired, it could
[34:31] take up to a month to pump out the
[34:33] contaminated waters now inundating New
[34:36] Orleans.
[34:38] For more more now on the design of the
[34:39] levies and the difficulties ahead, I'm
[34:41] joined by John Renie, the editor of
[34:43] Scientific American magazine. John
[34:46] Renie, many of us are hearing about what
[34:47] these leveies are and what they do for
[34:49] the first time in the case of New
[34:51] Orleans, a very unique case. What is it
[34:53] that this this set of levies were
[34:55] supposed to do and how were they
[34:56] breached?
[34:57] >> Well, really the the levies were
[34:59] basically constructed to make it
[35:00] possible for there to be a city of New
[35:02] Orleans. New Orleans is is built in a
[35:04] basically in a bowl uh beside Lake
[35:07] Ponchart Train and uh if the leveies
[35:10] weren't there, there wouldn't be enough
[35:11] dry land for you to be able to build the
[35:13] city on. Uh in this case, unfortunately,
[35:15] what happened was that the the surge of
[35:17] water associated with Hurricane Katrina
[35:19] moved through the lake, struck the
[35:21] leveies, and opened up these holes in a
[35:23] few places, allowing the waters from the
[35:26] lake uh to then start to flow down into
[35:28] the city. These um le levies were built
[35:30] to withstand a hurricane of this
[35:33] magnitude. Obviously not. But what was
[35:35] the idea about what they would be able
[35:37] to withstand?
[35:39] >> New Orleans has been hit by a lot of
[35:41] hurricanes over the years. And the
[35:43] levies really are constructed so that
[35:45] they they can withstand a lot of the
[35:47] sorts of of pressures and strains
[35:49] associated with typical hurricanes. Um
[35:51] the fact is that even if if Katrina had
[35:54] really hit uh New Orleans dead on and if
[35:57] we'd seen the kind of 25- foot surge uh
[36:00] that was associated with other parts of
[36:01] it uh in the worst part of the storm. If
[36:04] that had hit New Orleans, even if the
[36:06] levies had held up, an enormous amount
[36:08] of water would have still spilled over
[36:09] them and flooded the city. So really
[36:11] nothing is built to withstand uh
[36:14] something that the strength of of
[36:15] Katrina. But the fact is that in in
[36:17] practice, New Orleans didn't have to
[36:19] experience that extraordinary level of
[36:21] of force. Um, it was still enough though
[36:24] to to break open these areas of the
[36:25] levies.
[36:26] >> Now, there are also canals and there's a
[36:27] pump system. Does the pump system kick
[36:30] into uh gear at a time when the levies
[36:32] fail?
[36:33] >> That's right. There's automatically the
[36:35] these pumps are supposed to start uh
[36:38] pumping water back over into the the
[36:40] areas in in the lake uh to help keep the
[36:42] city dry. They're normally designed, I
[36:44] think, to be able to handle, for
[36:45] example, in heavy rains, something on
[36:47] the order of an inch of water an hour
[36:49] arriving. However, they they do break
[36:51] down and a lot more water was coming in
[36:53] a lot faster than that this time.
[36:55] >> Was there anything avoidable in this
[36:57] circumstance or was this a catastrophe
[36:59] waiting to happen?
[37:01] >> Unfortunately, this really was a
[37:02] catastrophe that was waiting to happen
[37:04] uh by by almost every measure. Uh back
[37:06] in 2001, Scientific American published
[37:08] an article on this subject. Uh because
[37:11] the levies themselves needed a lot of
[37:13] work. Um it was obvious that eventually
[37:16] some sort of disaster could occur, but
[37:18] also the the lands uh uh involving the
[37:22] marshy lands surrounding New Orleans
[37:23] have also degraded so fast that they're
[37:25] a kind of natural buffer uh that would
[37:28] usually help to protect the city against
[37:30] some sorts of New Orleans and in fact
[37:31] have done that in the past. But they're
[37:33] disappearing very very fast and
[37:35] unfortunately uh with every year they
[37:38] leave the city more and more exposed to
[37:40] the the raw power of the ocean and hur
[37:42] hurricanes like this.
[37:43] >> I read in that Scientific American
[37:45] article that you mentioned that the city
[37:46] was actually losing an acre every 20 or
[37:49] the area every 24 minutes an acre of
[37:51] wetland was going away. So what is it
[37:54] that's right? So what is it that the
[37:55] city, the state, the government could
[37:57] have been doing to to shore up uh these
[38:00] levies and this system, this irrigation
[38:02] system as it were against this sort of
[38:04] catastrophe?
[38:05] >> Well, it is a tricky problem. In fact,
[38:07] since 1995, the Army Corps of Engineers
[38:10] has been involved in a project of of
[38:11] trying to fortify the levies and
[38:14] modernize the pumping systems. Um,
[38:16] unfortunately, in the last few years,
[38:17] some of the spending on that actually
[38:19] had had fallen off what was recommended.
[38:21] And I'm sure that's going to be
[38:22] controversial as people are looking who
[38:24] to blame. Beyond that though, uh really
[38:26] the biggest problem is that it calls for
[38:28] a lot of commitment to look at these
[38:29] areas outside of the city proper and
[38:31] start to try to allow those those
[38:33] wetlands to uh to be reconstructed. And
[38:36] uh that's an expensive project. Um it's
[38:38] something that goes against natural
[38:40] development interests. And um you know,
[38:42] unfortunately it would have been
[38:43] expensive, but it's going to it would
[38:44] have been a lot less expensive than what
[38:46] we are looking at having to do in New
[38:47] Orleans. Now,
[38:49] >> assuming that they find a way to to plug
[38:52] these holes in the dyke, as it were, how
[38:53] long would it take for the city, this
[38:55] bowl to drain?
[38:57] >> It's a very good question. I'm I'm
[38:58] seeing different estimates of that. Um,
[39:00] one estimate I saw said that once they
[39:02] can close that up, assuming that the
[39:04] levels of the water don't rise a lot
[39:06] higher, maybe in a month, maybe more,
[39:08] they would be able to pump that back
[39:09] out, which is actually an astonishing
[39:11] feat. But at this point, I think people
[39:13] are still coming to grips with just how
[39:15] bad the problem is. and and no one
[39:17] really knows how hard it's going to be
[39:18] to fix.
[39:19] >> And how do they plug it up? How I mean
[39:21] plug it up makes it sound simpler than
[39:23] it probably is.
[39:24] >> Well, it is although fundamentally
[39:26] that's that's basically the problem. You
[39:27] you have this rupture in the levey and
[39:30] it's a big hole in the in the dam in
[39:32] effect and the water is spilling
[39:33] through. Um they've already tried to do
[39:35] things like drop uh big sandbags down
[39:38] into to that to to fill it up and that
[39:40] hasn't worked so far. This is kind of an
[39:42] engineering nightmare because it's very
[39:45] hard to to uh for the engineers to get
[39:47] access to these points where they have
[39:49] to try to build the these these patches.
[39:51] And the problem is that even when they
[39:53] start to to build these patches, the the
[39:55] more of the hole they fill, the faster
[39:57] the water that's coming through the the
[39:59] remaining open part. So, it keeps
[40:01] tearing away at the surface. It's it's
[40:03] very very hard. They're not even sure
[40:04] how big the ruptures in some parts of
[40:06] the levey are. I've seen estimates of of
[40:08] 300 yards, but I've also seen estimates
[40:10] of 500 yards and maybe growing.
[40:13] >> So, now that the water has stopped
[40:14] rising, which they say has happened, now
[40:17] what? Do you just wait for it to go down
[40:18] some more or do they just keep dropping
[40:20] sandbags until you hope it stops?
[40:22] >> Well, you you have to keep on throwing
[40:24] down those sandbags and then you have to
[40:25] start the pumping and it's it's going to
[40:27] be very very difficult. You
[40:28] unfortunately you can't wait for gravity
[40:30] to take the water away because again,
[40:32] New Orleans itself is it's built under
[40:35] the sea level. So, um, naturally water
[40:37] wants to cover New Orleans to a depth
[40:39] of, uh, you know, in some places 20 ft.
[40:42] >> John Renie, a tough problem. Thanks a
[40:44] lot for helping us with it.
[40:46] >> Thank you.
[40:55] >> Now, Jeffrey Brown explores what the
[40:57] hurricane's done to US oil production
[41:00] and supplies. Our citizens must
[41:03] understand the storm has disrupted the
[41:06] capacity to make gasoline and distribute
[41:09] gasoline. That from President Bush a
[41:11] short time ago, assessing the damage
[41:13] from Hurricane Katrina. Today, the
[41:16] president announced the decision to
[41:17] release oil from the nation's strategic
[41:19] petroleum reserve to keep refineries
[41:22] supplied. The reserve consists of some
[41:24] 700 million barrels of crude oil
[41:27] stockpiled underground in Texas and
[41:29] Louisiana. Joining me to discuss the
[41:31] situation is Red Cavani, president of
[41:34] the American Petroleum Institute and
[41:36] Industry Trade Group. And welcome to
[41:37] you.
[41:38] >> Thank you, Jeffrey. Why don't we start
[41:39] by describing the range of facilities in
[41:42] the area that have been affected?
[41:44] >> They're quite significant. Uh maybe to
[41:46] help you understand 25% of the total
[41:49] domestic production of crude oil comes
[41:52] out of that Gulf region and about u
[41:55] little more than 20% of the natural gas.
[41:57] So it's very very significant. Out in
[41:59] the Gulf itself there are about 6,500
[42:02] uh production facilities and on the
[42:05] ground there are a large number of
[42:08] refineries, pipeline distribution
[42:10] systems and everything. It's the most
[42:12] complex infrastructure that we have. And
[42:15] so when we talk about damage in an area
[42:17] of that scale, it's going to affect not
[42:19] just that region, but of course the
[42:21] areas for which they distribute their
[42:23] product, which is basically from the
[42:24] Midwest, everything east. Is it possible
[42:27] to know how many of these facilities
[42:30] have been damaged yet?
[42:31] >> Well, right now when you look at the uh
[42:33] offshore rigs, there are uh basically
[42:36] rigs that are close inshore that that uh
[42:39] try and bring the oil and the gas out
[42:41] and about 23 of those principally older
[42:43] ones uh were destroyed. Uh when you look
[42:46] at the more sophisticated drilling rigs
[42:48] that are out there, uh four in the
[42:50] shallower water and four out in the deep
[42:51] water. The deep water is important
[42:52] because that's where the really big
[42:54] volumes are in the big investment. And
[42:56] so there are eight of those that have
[42:57] been damaged and we don't have a full
[42:59] assessment on how quickly they can be
[43:00] brought on stream. Of our refineries,
[43:02] however, in the area, we know that there
[43:04] are nine that are out of commission at
[43:06] present for various reasons and some of
[43:08] them have not even been able to be
[43:09] visited yet. So it's very hard to say
[43:11] exactly what kind of timetable those
[43:13] refiners can be brought back on stream.
[43:15] >> Now we know about the flooding damage a
[43:17] problem. Of course, there's also the
[43:19] power problem.
[43:20] >> Yeah. And the problem is you can't deal
[43:22] with both of these at the same time. You
[43:23] have to go in sequence because if you
[43:25] have refineries that are flooded, you've
[43:26] got to get all the water out before
[43:28] you're going to put electricity in
[43:29] there. And then after you put the
[43:30] electricity in, what you need to do is
[43:32] you actually need to try and start up
[43:34] and run tests on your refinery to see
[43:37] whether or not it can be run safely. And
[43:38] only then can you bring it up and start
[43:41] to create some actual production. So,
[43:43] uh, we have to rely very much on the
[43:45] local community and the first responders
[43:47] to help us get the water out. And then
[43:49] of course the utility industry which has
[43:51] been just terrific in terms of getting
[43:53] people from all over the country down
[43:54] there to help.
[43:55] >> Now the president's announcement today
[43:56] about releasing some of the oil from the
[43:58] petroleum reserve. What does that mean
[44:01] exactly and and what and how might that
[44:03] help?
[44:03] >> That's a big asset because one of the
[44:05] things that also has been affected by
[44:07] this are the pipelines and most of the
[44:10] crude oil and the gasoline, the diesel
[44:12] that travels around our country moves in
[44:14] pipelines. Well, with no electricity,
[44:15] you can't have any pipelines running. So
[44:17] we did have just outside this critical
[44:20] area where we have the nine refineries
[44:22] uh that are basically out of operation
[44:24] for the moment uh we have some
[44:26] refineries that exist but their concern
[44:28] was how am I going to get crude oil
[44:29] there and the normal channels uh weren't
[44:32] able to do that. So by accessing the
[44:34] strategic petroleum reserve, uh those
[44:37] people are going to be able to know that
[44:38] they're going to have crude oil product
[44:39] to convert to gasoline and other things
[44:41] and so they'll keep going and they'll
[44:43] run very very efficient. Without the
[44:44] strategic petroleum reserve release,
[44:47] they would have been concerned that they
[44:48] would run out of the raw material crude
[44:50] oil and therefore would have to shut
[44:51] down and we'd be even in a bigger
[44:53] problem. So the strategic petroleum
[44:55] reserve is very important. Now how how
[44:57] big a difference does it make and how
[44:59] quickly does it get into these
[45:01] refineries? uh they can literally
[45:03] because they're located in that
[45:04] particular area uh within a matter of a
[45:06] day to a day and a half they from when
[45:08] they decide to make that first release
[45:10] it actually becomes of use. But it's
[45:11] also a psychological thing knowing that
[45:14] it's going to be coming in very short
[45:15] order allows you then to take more
[45:17] confidence that you can run your
[45:18] existing inventory full rather than sort
[45:20] of backing off a little bit. It also
[45:22] helps those refineries that are down
[45:24] that may have said well we can get our
[45:25] refinery up but we can't do much if we
[45:27] can't get crude oil. Now they know with
[45:29] the strategic petroleum reserve there,
[45:31] they have a backup plan and they can
[45:33] have some good confidence that they can
[45:34] get the the machineries running, get the
[45:36] refinery up and going, the crude oil
[45:38] will be there.
[45:38] >> I see. But to be clear for the moment,
[45:40] this is just to help refineries that are
[45:42] up and running. This obviously has no
[45:43] impact on the ones the eight or nine
[45:45] that are down.
[45:46] >> No,
[45:46] >> not at all.
[45:47] >> Okay. Now, the president also instructed
[45:49] the EPA to relax some Clean Air Act
[45:52] provisions about the production of oil.
[45:54] What why what does that do? Well, it
[45:56] helps you because right now uh even
[45:58] before uh we had the hurricane, we had a
[46:01] circumstance where we were in the prime
[46:03] driving season and the fact that prices
[46:06] were where they were was the law of
[46:07] supply and demand. There was as much
[46:09] demand as there was supply and so
[46:11] therefore everybody was bidding up the
[46:12] price of the product and
[46:14] >> in fact, excuse me, but in fact most of
[46:16] our discussions about this of recent
[46:18] weeks and months has been about the
[46:19] demand problem.
[46:20] >> Exactly. Demand driven. And now we have
[46:22] a situation where you have a supply is
[46:23] driving this particular equation.
[46:25] >> So the circumstance that people need to
[46:27] be concerned about was uh if special
[46:31] blends the government sort of tells us
[46:33] what kind of blends can go in what part
[46:34] of the country. That's part of the rules
[46:36] of way we have to distribute them.
[46:38] >> But if we can't make certain blends that
[46:40] means we can't deliver product to an
[46:43] area that requires another blend without
[46:45] a waiver. So, by giving a waiver, it
[46:47] basically says we can get gasoline to
[46:50] wherever it's needed and and in the near
[46:52] term between now and September 15th, we
[46:54] don't have to uh be concerned about the
[46:57] effects of these various regulations.
[46:58] So, it's very helpful. Makes us more
[47:00] flexible, allows us to move that around
[47:01] to where it's needed, and I think
[47:03] ultimately will allow us to bring in
[47:04] some imports we might not otherwise be
[47:06] able to do.
[47:06] >> In the immediate term, the impact on
[47:09] most citizens will be at the gas pump.
[47:12] Yes, that they will see more opportunity
[47:14] for supply with this kind of flexibility
[47:16] than we would have otherwise had.
[47:18] >> And why does it why does it hit so
[47:20] quickly? I people wonder how that works.
[47:22] Why does it why is it overnight that
[47:24] prices rise so high?
[47:26] >> Well, what what happens is there are
[47:27] about 160,000
[47:30] retail outlets where the consumer
[47:31] actually buys their gasoline and diesel.
[47:33] Uh about little less than 10% are owned
[47:36] and operated by the industry itself, the
[47:39] refiners and the people that produce it.
[47:40] the rest are uh small businessmen and
[47:43] women, small companies that they own
[47:45] those things and it's a very competitive
[47:47] marketplace because I don't think
[47:49] there's any other industry that actually
[47:50] posts its price for everybody to see
[47:53] every time they go by. And so what you
[47:55] see is the dynamic move of people trying
[47:57] to decide that I want to steal some
[48:00] customers away from my competitors so
[48:01] I'm going to lower my price by two cents
[48:03] or somebody else saying look I think I
[48:05] can make more money by holding my price
[48:07] with fewer customers. And so those those
[48:09] are the kind of decisions that
[48:10] ultimately drive the market.
[48:11] >> Right now people are seeing it go up
[48:13] though.
[48:13] >> People are seeing it because the problem
[48:15] with the commodity is if you have that's
[48:17] the product you're giving to consumers.
[48:19] You don't want to be caught without it.
[48:20] So you'll pay almost anything to get
[48:22] that last truckload to be able to take
[48:24] care of your customers.
[48:26] >> Okay. Red Cavanany, thank you very much.
[48:27] >> Thank you.
[48:37] And finally tonight, the stampede in
[48:39] Baghdad that resulted in the deaths of
[48:42] hundreds of Shiite pilgrims. Lindseay
[48:44] Hilome of Independent Television News
[48:47] begins our coverage of that tragedy.
[48:55] >> As if there hadn't already been enough
[48:57] grief in this city, enough violence and
[49:00] killing. shoes on the bridge left by the
[49:03] hundreds who were crushed or plunged to
[49:05] their deaths this morning.
[49:12] >> They gathered at dawn, hundreds of
[49:15] thousands of devout Shia commemorating
[49:17] the martyrdom of the seventh Imam Musar
[49:20] Kazim in 799.
[49:22] He's buried at the shrine in Kazmir, a
[49:24] suburb of Baghdad named after him.
[49:28] Trouble started early when at least
[49:30] three mortar bombs were fired into the
[49:32] crowd, leaving telltale fan-shaped
[49:34] impact marks. Seven people were killed,
[49:37] others taken to hospital.
[49:42] >> We rushed to the blast scene. We saw the
[49:44] dead scattered on the ground and the
[49:46] injured were taken to Alhadmir hospital
[49:48] for treatment. There were more injured
[49:50] children than men and women,
[49:53] >> but worse was to come. While some called
[49:56] themselves in the Tigris, hundreds of
[49:58] thousands of pilgrims streamed up onto
[50:00] the Aima Bridge over the river leading
[50:02] to the shrine. The atmosphere was
[50:05] feebal. Everyone aware that any small
[50:07] incident could lead to disaster. A rumor
[50:10] spoke someone had seen a suicide bomber.
[50:17] After we arrived at the sacred Kadinia
[50:19] area, we heard that there was a suicide
[50:21] car bomber. There were thousands of
[50:23] people on the bridge and because they
[50:24] were afraid, they began to panic and
[50:26] run. Then they began to trample all over
[50:28] each other.
[50:31] >> Total disaster. Some jumped into the
[50:34] river and drowned. Others fell to their
[50:36] deaths onto the concrete approach at the
[50:38] end of the bridge. Still more were
[50:40] suffocated in the crush.
[50:46] >> I tried to help women, children, and old
[50:48] men. When I lifted them up, their lips
[50:51] were blue and their ears were bleeding.
[50:52] Their noses were dripping blood. Each
[50:55] person was lying on top of another,
[50:56] tangled up together.
[51:00] >> The shoes tell the story. Thousands
[51:03] abandoned in panic by victims and
[51:05] survivors alike. Testament to a
[51:07] catastrophe even more deadly than the
[51:10] daily bombings in Baghdad.
[51:12] Terrence Smith spoke by phone a short
[51:14] time ago with Los Angeles Times reporter
[51:17] Bourzu Dargahi in Baghdad.
[51:21] >> Boru Dargahi, welcome to the broadcast.
[51:24] Uh I understand that you got to this
[51:26] area not long after the stampede
[51:29] occurred. Tell us tell us what you saw.
[51:32] Well, it was still a lot of very very
[51:34] skittish and nervous um pilgrims as well
[51:37] as a lot of uh uh uh police police and
[51:40] and Iraqi soldiers uh firing their
[51:43] weapons into the air trying to uh uh
[51:45] sort of maintain crowd control. Um there
[51:47] was a lot of uh very very upset people,
[51:50] very sad people. Um people would gasp as
[51:53] they walk by a pile really a mound of of
[51:57] um uh plastic slippers that uh uh
[51:59] apparently belong to the uh those killed
[52:02] and injured in the uh in the incident.
[52:04] Um there was a a bunch of politicians
[52:06] including Ahmed Talabi who came uh to
[52:09] the scene with their security
[52:11] entouragees and uh were were sort of
[52:14] surveying the area. So, I'd take it that
[52:17] even in Baghdad where you've had and
[52:20] seen so much violence, this was this was
[52:22] a shocking event.
[52:23] >> You know, this was just really awful. I
[52:25] I mean, the one of the the the things
[52:27] that keeps staying in my mind is the uh
[52:29] those those piles of plastic slippers
[52:31] and and just sort of looking at them,
[52:33] you could tell um by by looking at them
[52:36] what kind of people were um in this uh
[52:38] incident uh were were killed and injured
[52:40] in this incident. And they were just
[52:42] very poor people, you know, very very uh
[52:44] small people, very like elderly and and
[52:47] uh and and uh young and and women um and
[52:50] and people who were too poor to afford
[52:52] shoes.
[52:54] >> Now, I understand that some Iraqi
[52:57] officials have charged that this story
[52:59] that there was a suicide bomber in the
[53:01] midst uh that this whole thing was in
[53:03] their words a deliberate act of
[53:05] terrorism and yet other officials, Sunni
[53:08] officials deny that. Is there any
[53:10] evidence one way or the other?
[53:11] >> There's no evidence one way or the
[53:13] other. There's a there's as many stories
[53:14] as there are victims that we spoke to
[53:17] today. Um and we haven't been able to
[53:19] nail down anything. Um I will say that
[53:21] most of the people most of the military
[53:23] officials and security officials um that
[53:25] I spoke to on the scene uh conceded that
[53:28] um their security precautions played a
[53:30] big role in in in in sort of in in
[53:33] exacerbating the problems here. um the
[53:36] concrete bar I took I spoke to several
[53:38] high level military officials who were
[53:40] saying that you know we had ordered
[53:41] these concrete barriers that were in the
[53:43] middle of this bridge to be removed um
[53:46] that you know we could foresee this
[53:47] trouble that these concrete barriers
[53:49] that were there to prevent uh the uh the
[53:51] the vehicles from traveling back and
[53:53] forth between Sunni Adamia and Shiite
[53:55] Kadmia would create problems for
[53:57] pedestrians that this bridge was not
[53:59] ready for pedestrians for some reason
[54:01] these concrete barriers were not
[54:02] removed. So is it clear then um or is it
[54:06] believed that this was a deliberate
[54:08] effort to set one community against the
[54:11] other uh or is it still too much
[54:13] confusion to know?
[54:15] >> It's absolutely impossible to know and
[54:17] and and I think that you know it's it's
[54:18] good to be cautious in this in this uh
[54:21] in this arena. Um, you know, like
[54:23] traditionally, uh, the the residents of
[54:25] Admiria, which is the Sunni Arab
[54:27] neighborhood right across the the the
[54:28] river from Kadmia, are known for giving
[54:31] water and and refreshments and and
[54:33] sweets to the uh the pilgrims that walk
[54:36] across. Um, and and and today there was
[54:38] a police trucks going around saying, you
[54:40] know, um, uh, don't drink the water,
[54:43] it's poison. And, you know, there was
[54:44] these rumors going around that the
[54:46] Sunnis were trying to poison the the
[54:47] Shiites. Um, and we could find no real
[54:50] evidence of that. Um and and you know
[54:52] even today even amidst this chaos and
[54:54] amidst all of this uh this this tension
[54:57] we we found uh Sunni Arab uh people who
[55:00] helped victims and and took them to the
[55:02] hospitals. So it's not clear that the
[55:05] sectarianism drove this event.
[55:07] >> What was the reaction? What has been the
[55:09] reaction in among the people of Baghdad?
[55:12] Well, I can say that a large number of
[55:14] the victims were from Solder City. And
[55:18] tonight, Solder City is is a scene of
[55:20] utter mourning and and grief. Um, as as
[55:23] people set up funeral tents and and get
[55:26] bodies prepared um for burial down in
[55:28] the Shiite shrine city of Najaf
[55:30] tomorrow. Um, people are very angry
[55:33] there and very upset. Sold city, as as
[55:35] some viewers may know, is the uh uh is a
[55:38] is a vast Shiite slum in East Baghdad.
[55:40] And these are people who are lacking
[55:42] services. They don't get much water.
[55:44] They don't get uh any any you know
[55:46] sewage. They don't have electricity. And
[55:48] this just adds to their misery.
[55:51] >> Adds to the tension as well I suppose
[55:53] between the two communities just at a
[55:55] point when you're when the the country
[55:57] is trying to move towards a
[55:59] constitution.
[56:00] >> That may be but it's at this point it's
[56:01] also sort of creating problems for the
[56:03] uh uh the the government. um you know
[56:07] and it it could very well be that it was
[56:10] more a matter of municipal
[56:12] uh mismanagement that that caused this.
[56:15] You know, it remains to be investigated,
[56:17] but it it seems like the um uh crowd
[56:20] control strategy that they employed here
[56:23] um knowing full well that there would be
[56:24] a million pilgrims um could have been
[56:27] probably better handled uh there there
[56:30] there were less pilgrims, many were
[56:32] saying, this year than last year. So,
[56:34] you know, they should have known that
[56:35] there would have been this many
[56:37] pilgrims, Iraqis say. Um, and the people
[56:39] that I spoke to at the scene, uh, quite
[56:42] frankly, they blamed Ibrahim Jafar's
[56:44] government, prime minister's government
[56:46] for for the handling of this rather
[56:48] than, uh, I didn't hear any sectarian
[56:51] slogans.
[56:52] >> And finally, I understand that there are
[56:54] some what three days of mourning,
[56:56] national mourning that have has been
[56:58] declared.
[56:59] >> Yeah. Ibrahim Jafari, the prime minister
[57:01] has declared a state of a state of
[57:03] mourning. It should be said also that
[57:05] the United States government has uh uh
[57:08] expressed its condolences and and
[57:09] offered to help in any way it can uh by
[57:12] releasing a statement uh from uh um
[57:15] Ambassador Zme Khalil.
[57:18] >> Boru Darahi, thank you very much for
[57:20] filling us in.
[57:21] >> It's been a pleasure. Thank you.
[57:30] And again, the major developments on the
[57:32] hurricane. The mayor of New Orleans said
[57:34] Katrina killed hundreds of people,
[57:36] possibly thousands. Water stopped
[57:38] pouring through breached levies, but
[57:40] most of the city was still flooded.
[57:42] Officials in Mississippi reported at
[57:44] least 110 people killed there. President
[57:46] Bush said the recovery could take years,
[57:49] but he said the Gulf Coast and New
[57:50] Orleans will come back. And late today,
[57:52] in an unrelated story, federal
[57:54] authorities announced terror indictments
[57:57] in Los Angeles. Four people allegedly
[57:59] plotted to attack