Meet the Press (NBC) - 2006-11-05 - 2 of 2
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[0:00] that Reynolds was cooked. He was uh by
[0:02] the same pollster uh 15 down. We moved
[0:05] past this. We're now back into what I
[0:07] call all politics is local. The issues
[0:09] in Western New York are jobs, taxes, and
[0:12] social security. And that's what this
[0:13] debate's been on. And that's where uh we
[0:15] will close uh as it goes to the voters
[0:17] on Tuesday.
[0:18] >> But you're in a tight race because of
[0:19] this issue.
[0:21] >> I'm in a tight race because some said
[0:22] that uh a guy putting $2.5 million on my
[0:25] head would make it a close race. I know
[0:27] Ron was certainly pleased to recruit my
[0:29] opponent back for a second round of it.
[0:31] Uh we'll see what it is. I can tell you
[0:33] the polling says that the top issues in
[0:35] our district are jobs, taxes, and social
[0:38] security. But the concern people have is
[0:41] that Foley gave a half million dollars a
[0:43] year committee, spent $200,000 around
[0:44] the country for the Republican
[0:46] candidates, was thinking about resigning
[0:47] himself uh and not running for
[0:49] reelection, and that the Republican
[0:51] leadership were more concerned about
[0:53] holding the Foley seat than they were
[0:55] about this young page. Look, there are
[0:57] two instances. One was the overly
[0:59] friendly emails that uh were out where
[1:02] two reporters from the St. Petersburg
[1:04] Times uh looked at this, didn't find
[1:06] anything. I understand the FBI looked at
[1:08] it, didn't find anything. And the Miami
[1:10] Herald has put an editorial out that
[1:11] they didn't see anything. Didn't even
[1:12] see it newsworthy. And then we see the
[1:15] second set of instant messages and the
[1:17] types of things that ABC released on
[1:19] Friday. In that within two hours, Foley
[1:22] was gone from the Congress. And I think
[1:24] that uh the people in uh Western New
[1:26] York after all of the politics and all
[1:28] the flurry of of uh my opponents and uh
[1:31] uh those types of things came through as
[1:33] if people understood that that had a
[1:34] dramatic change in Western New York once
[1:36] they understood two sets of emails, two
[1:38] different sets of actions.
[1:39] >> Is the Foley scandal playing around the
[1:41] country?
[1:42] >> Well, it's as a part of a culture. Uh
[1:45] what is playing and I think uh Tim is as
[1:47] uh Tom said the economy people want a
[1:50] new direction. They want a minimum wage
[1:51] increase. They want direct negotiations
[1:53] for lower prescription drug prices, part
[1:55] of our agenda. And they also want a
[1:56] Congress that will meet the challenges
[1:58] facing America, both in Iraq, at home,
[2:00] and they want to end partis. But your
[2:02] campaign committee and many of your
[2:03] candidates are emphasizing the Foley
[2:05] scandal, emphasizing the corruption,
[2:07] emphasizing those kinds of issues. Are
[2:09] they playing?
[2:09] >> Well, yeah. I mean, look at Patty
[2:11] Wedling, who has a career in Minnesota
[2:13] uh in fighting for children, an advocate
[2:15] for children, uh has made this an issue
[2:17] because of her career. It is playing.
[2:19] What's playing is a Congress that is out
[2:22] of touch and in touch with the special
[2:24] interest and a Congress that look the
[2:26] Republicans came to power in 1994 to
[2:28] change Washington and Washington changed
[2:30] them. They promised you a balanced
[2:32] budget and they gave you $3 trillion in
[2:34] new debt. They promised you a Congress
[2:36] that would work and clean up the act.
[2:38] And what happened here is you got Tom
[2:39] Delay, Bob Nay, Duke Cunningham, all who
[2:41] have in one way or and also Kurt Weldon
[2:43] all in one way or another in ethical
[2:45] trouble. And third, they promise you a
[2:47] sense of a putting morality quote
[2:49] unquote back into our politics. And
[2:51] they've lost their way in each step of
[2:53] the way on fiscal issues, moral issues,
[2:55] and a Congress that would live by the
[2:56] law.
[2:56] >> Senator Dole, the Democrats are trying
[2:58] very hard to link Republican candidates
[3:01] with George Bush. In the local House
[3:03] race in Virginia, Bush Wolf, he's a
[3:06] local congressman at 06, as if they're
[3:08] running as a team.
[3:09] >> And yet, and yet your candidates
[3:12] >> seem to be distancing themselves from
[3:13] the president. Here's Lincoln Chaffy,
[3:16] Republican candidate. This is a
[3:18] commercial he paid for. Let's watch.
[3:21] >> All the time people tell me, "Link, I
[3:24] really like you, but I have to send Bush
[3:26] a message."
[3:27] >> Mike McGavic in Washington State,
[3:30] Republican. This is what he's saying in
[3:32] his paid commercial.
[3:35] >> And President Bush isn't getting our
[3:37] frustrations. It's time to be decisive.
[3:40] beat the terrorists, partition the
[3:42] country if we have to, and get our
[3:44] troops home in victory.
[3:46] >> These are Republican candidates. And
[3:47] that coupled with this story, a
[3:50] Republican president normally would not
[3:52] need to come to a conservative bastion
[3:55] such as Montana this close to an
[3:56] election, nor to Nevada's second
[3:58] district, which has never voted for a
[4:00] Democrat since he was created in 1982.
[4:02] But Bush is playing defense in red state
[4:05] territory. Why are Republican senatorial
[4:07] candidates running away from the
[4:08] president? And why is he only
[4:10] campaigning in traditional Republican
[4:12] states?
[4:13] >> Tim, once again, let me say that this is
[4:15] a year uh midterm when a president has
[4:18] been reelected. And you look through
[4:20] history, tradition has it that that's a
[4:22] tough tough cycle. Now, obviously, the
[4:24] campaigns are going to determine where
[4:26] it fits best to have the president come
[4:28] in um and where where it's where it's
[4:31] not the best uh idea. I mean, this is
[4:34] this is just uh politics. But why is it
[4:36] just what is there is there an issue
[4:38] that's driving this?
[4:39] >> No.
[4:40] >> No issue.
[4:40] >> Well well actually what what Chuck
[4:42] Schumer is trying to do is to
[4:44] nationalize uh the uh the race. He's
[4:47] trying to he's trying to make it a
[4:48] referendum. And what our candidates have
[4:51] done and what I have certainly done at
[4:52] the senatorial committee is to focus on
[4:55] just what Tom Reynolds has said as as
[4:58] Tip O'Neal used to say, all politics is
[5:00] local. So yeah, our candidates are are
[5:03] comparing their records with their uh
[5:06] does the Iraq war may the Iraq war may I
[5:10] finish this sentence just a moment and
[5:11] I'll go to that. I just want to point
[5:13] out that it is a choice between two
[5:15] people. It's a comparison. Our
[5:17] candidates are talking about their
[5:19] records on important issues that matter
[5:21] in their states and that's what they're
[5:23] focused on. In terms of Iraq, uh people
[5:26] are concerned. You know, uh I'm uh
[5:29] frustrated. Uh you know, obviously the
[5:31] important thing here is to win this war.
[5:34] And so I want to I want to read to you
[5:36] what I think is very effective. This is
[5:38] Mark Kennedy, an ad of Mark.
[5:40] >> We had a we had a debate here with with
[5:42] Miss Clover and Mr. Kennedy, and he and
[5:44] he talked about that extensively.
[5:45] >> Well, here's just quickly though, none
[5:47] of us like war, and we've made some
[5:48] mistakes in Iraq. We're facing an enemy
[5:51] that must be defeated. Leaving Iraq now
[5:53] will create a breeding ground for new
[5:55] attacks on America. That's the harsh
[5:57] reality. My opponent says the answer is
[5:59] diplomacy, but you can't negotiate with
[6:01] people who want to kill you. I'm Mark
[6:03] Kennedy. Securing the peace is a lot
[6:06] harder than wishing for it. I approve
[6:08] this message even though I know it may
[6:10] not be what you want to hear. Now, our
[6:12] candidates are making their own
[6:14] statements in terms of their views from
[6:16] their heart, their conscience, and then
[6:18] they're moving on to other issues.
[6:20] Let me let me I'm going to get to the
[6:22] more to the Iraq war, but I want to
[6:23] focus on the uniqueness of some of these
[6:24] candidates. Senator Schumer, uh here's
[6:27] an article about the candidate for
[6:29] Senate Democrat in Montana. John Tester
[6:32] is a genuine big old farm boy, opposes
[6:35] gay marriage, supports the death
[6:36] penalty, says Hillary Clinton doesn't do
[6:38] much for me, loves guns, hates illegal
[6:41] immigrants, and is the Democratic
[6:43] candidate for Montana's contested US
[6:45] Senate seat. Now, if you're
[6:46] nationalizing the race, is that
[6:48] candidate on board with the national
[6:50] Democratic platform?
[6:51] >> Well, let me say this. On so many
[6:53] issues, John Tester and all of our
[6:55] candidates are on board. And that's
[6:57] because people in Montana and everywhere
[6:59] else want change. And he's on board with
[7:02] raising the minimum wage. He's on board
[7:04] with making middle class families able
[7:06] to pay the costs of college and
[7:08] prescription drugs. He's on board with
[7:10] greater oversight in terms of this
[7:12] administration where it's gone astray in
[7:14] so many different areas. On certain
[7:16] issues, of course, the Democratic Party
[7:18] is a big tent. But yes, on the major
[7:21] issue, do you want change? Montans want
[7:24] change. People in Pennsylvania want
[7:27] change. People in Tennessee want change.
[7:29] And that is the major issue. And on a
[7:31] core basic issues, some core basic
[7:34] issues, the Democratic party is united.
[7:36] >> And guns,
[7:37] >> guns were not united. John Tester's view
[7:39] and my view are worlds apart. And what
[7:41] we've learned, Tim, over the years is
[7:43] this. On certain issues, it's better
[7:45] when the Democratic Party is a big tent.
[7:47] What we ought to be focusing on are two
[7:49] things. The meat and potato issues that
[7:51] affect average voters, where we're much
[7:53] more in sync with the average person
[7:56] across the country than the Republicans,
[7:59] and second, redirection in Iraq.
[8:02] >> The tone of the campaign has been quite
[8:03] striking to a lot of people. Uh the
[8:06] Washington Post reported and Congressman
[8:08] Reynolds, you had confirmed with me that
[8:10] a vast amount of money from the campaign
[8:12] committee was going to be used on quote
[8:13] negative advertising. I want to roll an
[8:16] ad from upstate New York, the 24th
[8:18] district, uh a Democratic candidate paid
[8:21] for by your committee. Let's watch.
[8:25] >> Hi, sexy. You've reached the live
[8:28] one-on-one fantasy line. A phone number
[8:31] to an adult fantasy hotline appeared on
[8:33] Michael Arur's New York City hotel room
[8:35] bill while he was there on official
[8:37] business and the call was charged to
[8:39] Anida County taxpayers. Aruri has denied
[8:42] it, but the facts are there. Who calls a
[8:45] fantasy hotline and then bills
[8:47] taxpayers? Michael Aruri.
[8:50] >> Bad call.
[8:51] >> The National Republican Congressional
[8:52] Committee paid for and is responsible
[8:54] for the content of this message. Now,
[8:55] here are the facts, and they're not
[8:56] disputed by anybody from the local
[8:59] Udica, New York newspaper. What the
[9:01] record shows, a bill shows a call
[9:04] costing 125 to the number 8004578462.
[9:08] Made at 326 p.m. on January 28th, built
[9:11] for one minute. Then the phone records
[9:13] show a call made the next minute using
[9:15] his calling card for 518-4578462.
[9:19] The same number is exactly all right.
[9:21] That number was to the office of the New
[9:23] York State Department of Criminal
[9:25] Criminal Justice Procedures and aid
[9:27] inadvertently dialed the wrong area
[9:29] code. Everyone admits it and yet you put
[9:32] an ad on suggesting that this guy is
[9:34] calling sex hotlines. Is that fair?
[9:37] >> Well, first of all, uh chairman of the
[9:39] committee doesn't know what the IE
[9:40] actually producing when it goes on. We
[9:42] pay for uh second uh that ad is now
[9:45] down.
[9:46] >> You said you're responsible. That's what
[9:47] the banner says. You can take it down if
[9:48] you pay for it.
[9:50] uh the committee paid for it, pulled out
[9:52] fair.
[9:52] >> Is it fair?
[9:53] >> Politics isn't always fair, Tim, as uh
[9:55] both the DC and the NRCC know full well
[9:58] in the contents of both ads as you
[10:00] review all those.
[10:01] >> Exactly. And but Congressman, before you
[10:03] get in, I want to show you an ad that
[10:04] your committee is taking in the
[10:05] Minnesota 6th district. Let's watch
[10:09] >> who would vote against a bill that would
[10:11] put repeat sex offenders behind bars for
[10:14] life. Michelle Bachmann. The Democratic
[10:17] Congressional Campaign Committee is
[10:18] responsible for the content of this
[10:19] advertising.
[10:20] >> Now, this is how the Minnesota Star
[10:22] Tribune reported that a highly deceptive
[10:24] ad by the Democratic Congressional Camp
[10:26] Committee takes one vote out of context
[10:28] to the store congressional candidate
[10:30] Michelle Bachman's record on crime. The
[10:32] 30 secondond ad, which has been airing
[10:33] for a week, invites voters to infer that
[10:35] Bachmann opposed longer sentences for
[10:37] repeat sex offenders when Bachmann
[10:39] actually voted for tougher sentences.
[10:41] Why do you do things like that,
[10:42] >> Tim? First of all, you know what? The
[10:44] Annenberg school studied both committees
[10:46] ads in nonpartisan group and they said
[10:49] the Democratic Congressional Campaign
[10:50] Committee, this is the Annenburgg school
[10:52] said Democratic Congressional Campaign
[10:53] Committee has focused on votes and
[10:55] records and they first focused on
[10:56] personality. Nonpartisan picked and
[10:58] selected the Micah Kuriad that they ran
[11:01] nevered because it was clearly false and
[11:03] we stopped it from going on the air and
[11:05] they knew it when they did it. Those
[11:06] were the votes they're cast. They tried
[11:08] to make something.
[11:08] >> But that's a selective interpretation
[11:10] and you know it,
[11:11] >> right? Absolutely. is not a selective.
[11:13] It's it's based on a vote record, which
[11:14] is what you're responsible for. And if
[11:16] you want to go selective on that, I got
[11:17] a lot more how much more time we got to
[11:19] show commercials all over the country.
[11:20] Tim,
[11:21] >> but let me show you. Let me show you. I
[11:22] got a lot of time here.
[11:23] >> Let me show you. 1988 when young Rahm
[11:25] Emanuel is the political director of the
[11:27] Democratic campaign committee. How to
[11:28] beat a Republican. Rahm Emanuel going on
[11:30] the attack. Now that you've succinctly
[11:32] spelled out your program, you can start
[11:35] dredging up dirt on your opponent. Even
[11:37] if your early venture failed to pan out,
[11:39] keep digging. The untainted Republican
[11:42] has not yet been invented.
[11:43] >> All right.
[11:45] >> That's your political crado.
[11:46] >> No, I I run campaigns and as as uh Tim
[11:50] has Thomas said repeatedly, he was going
[11:52] to do negative advertising. I was making
[11:53] sure our campaigns were fully prepared
[11:55] and I'll stand by the ads we ran.
[11:57] >> Are you concerned about the tone of this
[11:58] campaign? New Jersey voters are saying
[12:01] Mendez and Kaine, forget about it. Both
[12:04] candidates commercials are over the top.
[12:05] >> Well, but let me just say and it
[12:07] reflects what Rahm said. Mendez's ads
[12:10] are talking about Tom Ka's record on
[12:12] Iraq, on stem cell research, on social
[12:15] security. Now, he may say, "Well, I've
[12:17] changed my view or I voted against the
[12:19] stem cell research bills in the Senate,
[12:21] but I'm really state Senate, but I'm
[12:23] really for uh stem cell research." The
[12:25] Menendez ads are are are they've been
[12:28] decrieded by newspapers throughout New
[12:30] Jersey as just being false and personal
[12:32] innuendos. There are exceptions, Tim.
[12:35] Nobody is Simon Pure in this business.
[12:37] But if you look at the vast majority of
[12:39] Democratic ads versus Republican ads,
[12:41] ours have indeed gone after the
[12:44] opponents, but on the stands they've
[12:46] taken, the issues they voted for, while
[12:48] the large percentage of theirs have gone
[12:50] on personal issues like the one.
[12:51] >> You believe the voters are turned off by
[12:53] this negativity.
[12:54] >> I think that uh at this point there's a
[12:57] lot of a lot of negativity out there,
[12:59] but ne nevertheless it does carry
[13:02] messages. uh it's based on research and
[13:05] um I think that you know I think of one
[13:07] particular situation where um and this
[13:11] was a Harold Ford uh ad and it was uh it
[13:14] it has run its course but uh basically
[13:17] what that ad did was to point out uh his
[13:21] views on certain issues and that's the
[13:23] last thing he wanted to do was to talk
[13:25] about his record. Now, there's also an
[13:26] ad paid for by the Republican National
[13:28] Committee which had a blonde white woman
[13:30] winking in the camera saying, "Call me,
[13:32] Harold." And many African-Americans,
[13:34] including former Republican Senator Bill
[13:36] Cohen, said that ad was racist.
[13:38] >> I I did not see it as racist. U I
[13:40] respect those who saw it otherwise. But
[13:42] let me tell you what that ad did. It
[13:45] pointed out his views on on his record
[13:48] that he is uh he's on the wrong side of
[13:51] the abortion issues, that he's protected
[13:53] gay marriage, that he has an anime
[13:58] from the National Rifle Association,
[14:00] that he's a tax increaser. Uh this is
[14:02] one of the biggest uh political frauds
[14:05] in history, his trying to uh to re uh
[14:08] redefine himself. And that ad pointed
[14:11] out particular matters that he didn't
[14:13] want to uh to step up to in terms in
[14:16] terms of the it it pointed out facts
[14:19] there in terms of Harold Ford's true
[14:22] record.
[14:22] >> We have to take a break.
[14:23] >> Is this the filibuster body?
[14:26] >> You guys have had a good shot at it.
[14:27] Both of you.
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[19:35] comments and attempted joke about
[19:36] President Bush, he says, but it came out
[19:38] as an insult against the troops played
[19:40] out. Did that hurt the Democrats?
[19:42] >> I don't think so. John Kerry did the
[19:43] right thing. He apologized and then he
[19:45] said he's not going to talk about it
[19:47] anymore and I don't think it's going to
[19:48] affect the election at all.
[19:49] >> But it was the wrong thing to say.
[19:51] >> He admitted that and he was a total
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[19:56] arguing this even though he wanted to."
[19:58] And I give him give him a lot of credit
[19:59] for that.
[20:00] >> Two Republicans have now put comments in
[20:02] Vanity Fair magazine, Senator Dole, uh,
[20:05] which have caused a little bit of stir.
[20:07] Ken Adelman, lifelong neocon activist,
[20:09] Pentagon insider who served on the
[20:12] Defense Policy Board until 2005, wrote a
[20:15] famous op-ed article in the Washington
[20:16] Post in O2, saying, "I believe
[20:19] demolishing Hussein's military power,
[20:20] liberating Iraq, would be a cakewalk.
[20:23] Now, I just presumed what I considered
[20:25] to be the most competent national
[20:26] security team since Truman was indeed
[20:28] going to be competent. They turned out
[20:29] to be among the most incompetent teams
[20:32] in the post-war era. Not only did each
[20:34] of them individually have enormous
[20:35] flaws, but together they were deadly,
[20:38] dysfunctional. Richard Pearl, chairman
[20:40] of the Pentagon's Defense Policy
[20:42] Advisory Board in the past said if he
[20:45] had his time over, he would not have
[20:47] advocated an invasion of Iraq. I think
[20:49] if I had been delicate,
[20:59] two leading proponents of the war are
[21:00] now saying, "Forget about it.
[21:02] incompetence and you shouldn't have done
[21:04] it.
[21:04] >> Let me let me talk about David from who
[21:06] is one of the people uh uh in the
[21:08] article and his concern about the way it
[21:11] was uh publicized the press release. Uh
[21:14] David from bottom line is the war just
[21:17] as the same um the same as in 203 2003
[21:21] the war was right. We need to win the
[21:23] war and it would be disastrous to lose.
[21:26] That's his bottom line. That's that's
[21:28] what he's concerned about. And you know,
[21:30] it's almost as if the Democrats uh uh
[21:33] you know, it's like they are content
[21:35] with losing because to pull out to
[21:38] withdraw from this war is losing. No
[21:41] question about it.
[21:42] >> The Democrats are content with losing.
[21:44] >> The Democrats appear to be content with
[21:46] losing because they're talking I want to
[21:48] finish. No, you mean there is no Senator
[21:50] Senator W. I'm going to finish. That's a
[21:52] very strong statement. Senator, that's a
[21:53] very strong. I think he deserves the
[21:55] right to respond. I would like to
[21:57] finish. I'll let you back up. Senator,
[21:59] when you make a statement like that to
[22:01] excuse me, when you make a comment like
[22:02] that, I got to give the other side a
[22:04] chance.
[22:04] >> But I do need to explain Senator
[22:07] that you said something that's wrong.
[22:09] Dem Democrats Democrats have provided
[22:12] Wait a second, Senator. I've understand
[22:15] I will not sit I will not sit highly by
[22:17] with an accusation that Democrats are
[22:18] content with losing. We want to win and
[22:20] we want a new direction to Iraq because
[22:22] after three years out,
[22:25] >> this is losing. Hold on. Hold on. Time
[22:27] out. Time out. Forget about it. Reading
[22:29] ground for terrorist.
[22:31] Why don't you take that back, Senator?
[22:33] We'll have differences, but we do not
[22:37] taking over a vacuum. All right, let me
[22:39] let me let me let me let me I'll get to
[22:41] everybody. Let me introduce Vice
[22:42] President Cheny's comments. He said,
[22:44] quote, "The president made clear that
[22:46] his objective is it's victory in Iraq
[22:49] and it's full speed ahead on that basis
[22:51] and that's exactly what we're going to
[22:53] do. It may not be popular with the
[22:54] public. It doesn't matter in the sense
[22:56] that we have to continue the mission or
[22:58] do what we think is right. Uh and that's
[23:00] exactly what we're doing. We're not
[23:02] running for office. We're doing what we
[23:04] think is right. Congressman Reynolds is
[23:06] the vice president saying it's full
[23:08] speed ahead. The public may have their
[23:10] views and now over 60% say the war is
[23:12] not worth it. And in effect, no matter
[23:14] what happens in this midterm elections,
[23:16] the Bush policy in Iraq is going to go
[23:18] forward unchanged.
[23:20] Well, first of all, I think when we look
[23:22] at the war on terror, which is uh part
[23:24] of what uh this is all,
[23:25] >> but I'm asking you about Iraq. Is is
[23:26] that what the vice president is saying
[23:28] that no matter what happens in this
[23:29] election, it's full speed ahead with the
[23:32] Bush policy on Iraq?
[23:33] >> I don't know if that's what he's saying.
[23:34] I've just seen what uh you've outlined.
[23:36] Uh I think that there's no question that
[23:38] uh the Bush administration and the
[23:40] commander-in-chief wants to finish the
[23:41] job. And uh while uh we certainly know
[23:44] the Democrats don't have unonymity on
[23:46] the war either as Senator Schumer talked
[23:48] about other areas that there's
[23:49] disagreement, uh there's part of the uh
[23:52] Democratic party that wants to cut and
[23:54] run. There's others that uh follow the
[23:56] Bush uh agenda. There's others that want
[23:58] to redirect the war. Uh but the reality
[24:00] is we are either going to finish the job
[24:02] or we're going to cut and run.
[24:04] >> Let me say, Tim, that is not Let me say
[24:06] a couple of things first. First, you
[24:08] know, the Republican response is what my
[24:11] good friend Elizabeth said. It's sort of
[24:12] kneecapping, name calling.
[24:14] >> It works. It has worked in the past when
[24:17] people are happy with the policy. Right
[24:19] now, the American people, as you said,
[24:21] not just Democrats, independents,
[24:23] Republicans, are very unhappy what's
[24:25] happening in Iraq. You had Pearl over
[24:28] there. The only people who seem to be
[24:30] thinking it's going well are the
[24:32] president and his codery of adviserss.
[24:34] Now, we Democrats are unified on Iraq.
[24:36] We had in the Senate the Reed Levven
[24:38] resolution which calls for this. First,
[24:42] >> stop policing a civil war. Iraq has
[24:44] devolved into a civil war between
[24:46] Shiites and Sunnis. That's not what we
[24:48] bargain for. Second, make 2007 a year of
[24:52] transition where we redeploy our troops,
[24:54] pulling a good number of them out of
[24:56] harm's way. Some would stay in Iraq,
[24:58] some would be nearby, and focus on four
[25:01] things.
[25:02] >> Is this a Is this a Democratic plan?
[25:04] >> Yes, it is. It is it is four things. It
[25:07] is focus on counterterrorism, force
[25:10] protection, logistics, and training.
[25:14] That is our plan. That is what we'll
[25:16] push to do should we get the power in
[25:18] the Senate. And 39 of the 44 Democrats
[25:21] in the Senate voted for it.
[25:22] >> Mr. Let me ask you a question. If in
[25:24] fact the Democrats take control of the
[25:26] House, what will happen on Iraq? Will it
[25:30] be full speed ahead or will the
[25:31] Democrats try to cut funding off of the
[25:33] war?
[25:34] >> No. There will be a demand for
[25:35] accountability and oversight. One of the
[25:37] things, let me say one thing from that
[25:39] comment.
[25:41] Elizabeth, Elizabeth,
[25:43] >> just wait one second. Just let me get a
[25:44] chance to get a word in. We've had
[25:47] slogans and a long list of slogans from
[25:49] mission accomplished to the terrorists
[25:50] are in the last throws to the fact is
[25:53] that uh we've turned the corner to now
[25:55] in fact that we are victorious. And the
[25:57] fact is Iraq needs new direction and the
[25:59] Democrats in Congress are going to be
[26:00] clear that we need a policy that would
[26:02] be very clear from that's what I'm
[26:05] trying to find out. What is here? Here
[26:06] here's what the chairman Here's what the
[26:08] chairman of your party said. Howard
[26:09] Dean, you're your very good friend. I
[26:10] know. He said, quote, "We will promise
[26:13] you that if you elect a majority in the
[26:15] House and the Senate, we will not permit
[26:18] Iran to be a nuclear power. We will make
[26:20] a deal with China to get nuclear weapons
[26:23] out of North Korea. We will catch
[26:25] capture Osama bin Laden or kill him. The
[26:27] Democrats can promise that if they take
[26:30] control of Congress
[26:31] >> here you I'm going to focus on the what
[26:32] you said.
[26:33] >> I'm asking you a serious question. The
[26:34] party chairman said you can do all those
[26:36] things. Can you?
[26:37] >> We're going to Here's what we're going
[26:38] to do. We're not going to divert our
[26:40] resources from focusing on capturing
[26:42] Osama bin Laden 5 years after 9/11. We
[26:45] are going to work with our allies on
[26:46] making sure that North Korea when we
[26:47] issue a red line doesn't cross it
[26:48] without any sense of consequences. And
[26:51] we are going to work also in making sure
[26:52] that Iran does not develop a nuclear
[26:54] weapon. But let me say one thing clear
[26:55] about the principles we're going to have
[26:57] whether Senator Biden's idea on Iraq,
[26:59] which I think is a strong idea, Senator
[27:00] Leven's program, Congressman Jack Murtha
[27:02] and Congressman Ike Skelton. There are
[27:04] five basic principles that hold
[27:05] Democrats together on our approach to
[27:07] Iraq. First, regional cooperation.
[27:11] Second, reconciliation among the
[27:13] parties. Third, reconstruction uh of the
[27:16] economy. Fourth, responsibility for uh
[27:20] results and fifth is redeployment from
[27:23] Iraq. Those are the five principles. All
[27:25] Democrats say we have to change the
[27:26] policy. These guys have the Republicans
[27:28] and the president and I'll say this, the
[27:30] president's got what he needed for this
[27:31] war totally from Congress except for the
[27:34] one thing that the Republicans have
[27:35] denied him and that's oversight and
[27:37] accountability.
[27:37] >> Would the Democrats consider cutting off
[27:39] funding for the war?
[27:40] >> No, we're not going to hurt our troops
[27:41] at that. We're going to make sure we
[27:42] have a new policy and when the Baker and
[27:44] when the Baker and Lee Hamilton approach
[27:46] comes, our approach will not be what the
[27:48] vice president said was steam full steam
[27:50] ahead. We're going to listen to that
[27:51] approach and work in a bipartisan
[27:52] fashion to solve the worst national
[27:54] security challenge America's faced in
[27:56] over two generations. France were to
[27:58] take over the Congress, the chairman of
[28:00] the House Ways and Means Committee has
[28:02] said that he would uh cut the funding
[28:04] for the war.
[28:05] >> He didn't say he would. He would
[28:06] consider
[28:07] >> Well, that's a Congressman Govern of
[28:10] Massachusetts has a resolution with 18.
[28:12] But let me let me ask you let me ask you
[28:15] let me ask you about a comment that
[28:16] President Bush made. President Bush said
[28:18] that both the vice president and the
[28:20] secretary of defense are doing fantastic
[28:23] jobs quote unquote and will be there
[28:25] until the end of his term.
[28:27] >> Tomorrow a joint editorial from the Army
[28:30] Times, the Air Force Times, the Navy
[28:32] Times, the Marine Corps Times. This is
[28:34] what they say. All along Rumsfeld has
[28:37] assured us that things are well in hand.
[28:39] Now, the president says he'll stick with
[28:40] Rumsfeld for the balance of his term in
[28:42] the White House. This is a mistake. When
[28:44] the nation's current military leaders
[28:46] start to break publicly with their
[28:47] defense secretary, then it's clear he is
[28:49] losing control of the institution he
[28:50] ostensibly leads. Rumsfeld has lost
[28:53] credibility with the uniform leadership,
[28:55] with the troops, with Congress, with the
[28:56] public at large. His strategy has
[28:58] failed. His ability to lead is
[28:59] compromised. And although the blame for
[29:01] our failure in Iraq uh rests with the
[29:03] secretary, it will be the troops who
[29:04] bear its brunt. This is not about the
[29:06] midterm elections. Regardless of which
[29:08] party wins November 7th, the time has
[29:10] come, Mr. President, to face the hard,
[29:12] bruising truth. Donald Rumsfeld must go.
[29:14] During the meet the press debates on
[29:16] this program, Senator Dole. Mike DeWine,
[29:18] Republican Ohio, said Secretary
[29:21] Rumsfeld, no confidence. Michael Steele,
[29:23] who you were praising moments ago,
[29:25] Republican candidate for Maryland, said
[29:28] Rumsfeld must go. Would it be helpful in
[29:31] order to pull the country together after
[29:33] these elections that there be a change
[29:35] at the head of the Pentagon? You
[29:36] >> know, first of all, let me say that our
[29:38] candidates all speak from their uh uh
[29:41] their own views. Uh they we have no set
[29:44] of talking points for our candidates.
[29:46] They speak their minds. Uh they're
[29:48] independent. They're not rubber stamps.
[29:50] Uh whether it's Mike Dwine or whether
[29:52] it's Mike McGavic or whether it's
[29:54] Michael Steel or whoever else it might
[29:55] be. So that rubber stamp I want to uh
[29:58] shoot down right now.
[29:59] >> I never used the word but I am.
[30:01] >> You didn't but my friends
[30:03] did. Would it be helpful for the country
[30:05] after these elections
[30:06] >> stand by Donald Rumsfeld? He and the
[30:09] president he serves at the at the
[30:10] pleasure of the president.
[30:12] >> Do you believe it would be helpful for a
[30:14] change at the top of the Pentagon?
[30:15] >> First of all the Army Times editorial is
[30:18] written by its gazette owned newspaper
[30:20] which is well positioned in other
[30:22] editorial comment relative to uh the
[30:24] war. And so the editorial writers may be
[30:27] coming from Virginia versus uh from the
[30:29] military particularly because it's owned
[30:30] by Guanette. Second, uh Donald Runsfeld
[30:34] serves at the pleasure of the president.
[30:36] And this isn't about Donald Runsfeld.
[30:37] It's about the aspect of the war on
[30:39] terror. And it's interesting to listen
[30:41] to my colleague Rammy Emanuel talk about
[30:43] some sort of unity in the house. They
[30:45] have struggled for months in order to
[30:47] put together a position on Iraq. They
[30:49] could not. And therefore they abandoned
[30:51] it. There's no position following Jack
[30:52] Murtha. There's no position following
[30:54] Nancy Pelosi. There's no position
[30:56] following Ike Skelton. There are no
[30:58] positions publicly by the House
[31:01] Democrats on a direction of Iraq.
[31:03] >> Leadership of the House endorsed the
[31:06] position that I just talked about that
[31:08] 39 of the 44 Democrats voted for,
[31:11] calling 2007 a year of transition. It
[31:13] was signed by you've talked about, but I
[31:16] want to raise one other issue with the
[31:17] Democrats because it's on the minds of
[31:18] some voters and that is what they'll do
[31:20] if they win. until May. John Conurs, who
[31:23] would become chairman of the judiciary
[31:24] committee, had this on his website. He
[31:27] said, "Stand with Congressman Conurs.
[31:29] Demand that investigation of
[31:30] administration abuses of power. Make
[31:32] recommendations regarding grounds for
[31:34] possible impeachment." Is that what it's
[31:36] going to be? The Democrats get the gavl,
[31:38] investigate.
[31:39] >> Absolutely not. We're going to we're
[31:40] going to pass some increase in the
[31:41] minimum wage, direct negotiations for
[31:43] lower prescription drug prices, the 911
[31:45] commission recommendations America safe,
[31:47] redirect the 12 billion given to big oil
[31:50] to energy and
[31:50] >> no investigations into Iraq.
[31:52] >> We're going to have oversight because
[31:54] that's what one of the problems with
[31:55] with the Congress when it came to the
[31:57] audit the inspector general you fired.
[31:59] We're going to have hearings and
[32:00] oversight. It will not lead to it would
[32:02] not take on impeachment. We will not
[32:04] impeachment off the table.
[32:05] >> Will not happen. Let me just say and say
[32:07] that but totally off the table. Tim, let
[32:09] me say one other thing. The Army Times
[32:11] joined the 12 generals who said Rumsel
[32:12] should go and I can't believe of all the
[32:15] people you would pick about what is to
[32:16] give Don Rumsfeld issues that we've not
[32:18] had a chance to to address. Everybody's
[32:21] had equal time. Believe me, we've timed
[32:22] this out. We have the economy
[32:27] talking about
[32:27] >> I know. Here's what we have to do before
[32:29] we go though in all honesty. Who and
[32:32] whoever is the farthest whoever is the
[32:34] Whoever is the most strong who's ever
[32:36] the most strong $100 for the Boys and
[32:38] Girls Club of Washington DC. You got it.
[32:40] >> How many seats for the Republicans win?
[32:42] >> I won't count the seats, but I believe
[32:43] we have a great opportunity to hold the
[32:45] House by turning the vote out.
[32:46] >> That's your prediction. Will you win the
[32:48] House?
[32:48] >> I'd rather be us than them.
[32:49] >> Will you win the House for the Boys and
[32:51] Girls Club?
[32:52] >> There's I'm going to help the Boys and
[32:53] Girls Club regardless because winning a
[32:55] Democratic majority would be a
[32:56] >> maintain the majority in the United
[32:58] States Senate.
[32:59] >> She's on the line. Will you win? We're
[33:00] right on the edge of taking back the
[33:02] Senate. We're going to be happy
[33:03] Wednesday morning.
[33:04] >> How many seats do you have to that gain
[33:06] to take care of control of the Senate?
[33:08] >> Six.
[33:08] >> Six. Right.
[33:09] >> Right.
[33:09] >> See how Schumer said six. Let me show
[33:11] you. 39 years ago, the high school
[33:14] program, it's academic. Let's watch.
[33:16] Let's watch.
[33:18] >> And now, let's introduce our teams in
[33:20] the semi-final match from Brooklyn, New
[33:23] York. James Madison High School. Janet
[33:25] Schwarz, Captain Chuck Schumer, and
[33:27] Barry Lavine. Now wait, listen. The
[33:30] moderator was listen to this question
[33:32] and this answer. Here we go.
[33:35] >> What number is the factorial of
[33:37] >> six?
[33:40] >> Six.
[33:42] >> You know who is the moderator of that?
[33:44] >> Ki Roberts.
[33:46] >> As it should be.
[33:49] >> So you'll say maybe. You say definite.
[33:51] You say definite. You say maybe.
[33:54] >> Republicans seem more confident.
[33:56] >> Oh no. We just You don't want to give it
[33:58] a a jinx.
[34:00] >> Hey,
[34:00] >> and uh we're feeling we're feeling good,
[34:02] Tim. Hey, Tim, I want to say one thing.
[34:04] If you would have told us
[34:06] >> 2005 that we're going to pick up a whole
[34:08] lot of seats,
[34:09] >> I would have said never. We're doing
[34:11] great.
[34:12] >> Sid luck said the old Chicago Bear never
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[39:34] >> 45 would drop and it would play.
[39:36] >> If you held the rabbit ears in exactly
[39:37] the right position,
[39:41] >> I used to have to parallel park myself.
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