An inside look at negotiations to free the Oct. 7 hostages
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[0:00] Welcome back to the Takeout. One of
[0:02] President Biden's former senior national
[0:05] security advisers is sharing a
[0:07] behindthe-scenes look at negotiations,
[0:10] fraud negotiations to free hostages
[0:12] taken by Hamas October 7th, 2023. The
[0:15] book aptly titled Brink: Inside the Race
[0:18] to Free the October 7th hostages. Here's
[0:21] part of my conversation with its author,
[0:23] Brett McGherk. Brett, I want to start at
[0:25] the end of the book and I want to get
[0:27] your appraisal for my audience's
[0:28] benefit. what you learned about in your
[0:31] dealings with Steve Whit, who is not
[0:34] well known to most Americans, but is
[0:36] crucial to how the president, President
[0:38] Trump, deals with a lot of foreign
[0:40] policy issues and negotiations.
[0:41] >> Yeah.
[0:42] >> What are your impressions of him?
[0:44] >> Yeah, Major Steve, he's such a he's such
[0:46] a character and I tried to I tried to
[0:48] bring all the characters in this uh
[0:50] story to life. Um,
[0:54] if I could just back up a little bit
[0:55] real quick. I mean, Steve came into it
[0:57] because in October of 2024, the kind of
[1:00] whole landscape changed. So, the leader
[1:01] of Hamas is killed, the leader of
[1:03] Hezbollah's killed, Hisba cuts a deal,
[1:05] we stopped another missile attack. It's
[1:07] finally lined up now to go back to the
[1:08] deal
[1:10] and you could kind of sense that moment.
[1:13] And then Trump wins the election.
[1:16] >> And I've been through past presidential
[1:18] transitions. I knew in a transition, the
[1:20] outgoing president, the power starts to
[1:22] wayne. Everybody wants to know what the
[1:23] new president's going to say. So,
[1:26] uh, I called Jared Kushner a couple days
[1:28] after the election. I said, you know, I
[1:30] didn't know Jared that well, but I'd
[1:32] known him from his dealings in the
[1:33] Middle East with the Middle East file.
[1:36] And I said, you know, Jared, here's the
[1:38] situation. I think if we have a chance
[1:41] by the time new president comes in to
[1:44] have a ceasefire in Gaza, hostages
[1:46] coming out. It's kind of lined up. But
[1:48] only if we're working together, you
[1:50] know, can we do that?
[1:51] >> There has to be cohesion. It just
[1:53] >> Israelis have to know that. Hamas has to
[1:55] know that.
[1:56] >> Hamas,
[1:56] >> everyone needs to know that,
[1:58] >> right? Um,
[2:00] so Jared agreed. He said somebody would
[2:03] be coming in to take the Middle East
[2:05] file. He didn't he didn't name Wickoff
[2:06] yet. And then when when Trump and Biden
[2:10] met in the Oval Office couple days after
[2:12] this, they met oneonone. And on this
[2:14] issue, what the president told me,
[2:16] Biden, uh, they agreed to work together.
[2:18] And shortly after that, I met Steve
[2:20] Wickoff. It's all in the BR. It's in
[2:22] Brink in the book. Kind of laid this
[2:24] out. Uh it's an incredible moment. I'm
[2:27] up in the Capitol in a secure room with
[2:29] Steve Wickoff, my incoming successor,
[2:32] and Jake Sullivan, the National Security
[2:33] Adviser, and his incoming successor,
[2:35] Mike Waltz. Uh and we're kind of laying
[2:38] out where things stand.
[2:41] JD Vance makes an appearance in that
[2:43] that meeting.
[2:45] >> He asked what we're talking about and we
[2:47] said the Middle East. He said, "Uh,
[2:48] that's my cue to leave.
[2:51] But we laid it out and Steve, that's the
[2:52] first time I met Steve
[2:55] and I can't use all the language here,
[2:56] use some colorful language, but he said,
[2:57] "Look, I don't care about politics.
[2:59] Let's let's work together, get this
[3:00] done, save lives."
[3:02] >> And then we started talking every single
[3:04] day
[3:06] and uh he came out in January.
[3:11] You know, there's a detailed agreement
[3:12] negotiated over months. We had kind of
[3:13] two issues left to bridge. One was the
[3:16] the ratio of the prisoners to be
[3:18] released for each certain category of
[3:20] hostage. Hamas put this like outrageous
[3:21] new demand on the table and another was
[3:24] a map of where Israeli forces would be
[3:25] during the ceasefire and we're kind of
[3:28] is it going to be a thousand uh meter
[3:30] perimeter 500. So we had to bridge that.
[3:33] Um
[3:35] and uh if you read this book you get
[3:37] that you get a sense of you know he just
[3:39] wants to get the deal and was driving
[3:41] everybody towards it. And at one point,
[3:44] I mean, it's a remarkable historical
[3:46] moment looking back. I mean, Steve goes
[3:48] to Israel to see Netanyahu.
[3:50] I'm in Doha because we have the Israelis
[3:53] on one floor, Hamas on another. That's
[3:55] kind of how we're working out all these
[3:56] details.
[3:57] >> And I call into that same meeting uh
[3:59] with the Isra from the Israeli compound
[4:03] >> and he's sitting next to Netanyahu,
[4:05] >> Steve Woodoff.
[4:07] >> And we kind of look here's here's what
[4:08] we need to get this deal done. And um
[4:12] and I say in the book, you know, without
[4:14] that cooperation, without Steve's again
[4:17] being above politics,
[4:19] we would not have gotten that that deal.
[4:21] >> Trump wants this. This is what you got
[4:23] to agree to. BB, I know it's not
[4:25] perfect, but this is the moment. And
[4:26] we're not going to lose this moment over
[4:29] these comparatively smaller issues. And
[4:34] if you want Trump to
[4:36] >> bring down the hammer, I can get him on
[4:37] the phone.
[4:38] >> Get him on the phone.
[4:38] >> More or less. I'm recreating that.
[4:41] >> Yeah. And um
[4:42] >> and that seems vital to this entire
[4:44] thing coming together.
[4:45] >> So we had worked out issue after issue
[4:47] after issue
[4:49] and
[4:51] we're down to these final moments and
[4:53] yeah that was a key that was a key
[4:54] moment and um
[4:58] but even after that we read the book
[5:00] it's just a number of things happened
[5:03] even between then and just a few days
[5:04] before we finally closed it. Um
[5:09] but you know Steve came at this without
[5:10] any uh he knew a lot of the leaders in
[5:13] the Middle East from his you know
[5:14] business dealings. Um but he had not
[5:17] handled something like this.
[5:20] >> Um
[5:22] and at one point I mean he he made the
[5:24] the analogy of selling a building. You
[5:26] know I got to look the guy in the eye
[5:28] and just kind of what what does it take
[5:30] to get the parties together? I uh
[5:36] you know watching him now deal with
[5:37] Ukraine and Iran and I I've had the Iran
[5:40] file as you know for years. It's one of
[5:41] the most and there's a chapter in Brink
[5:43] where I'm with the Iranians. You get a
[5:45] feel for what it's like to negotiate
[5:46] with those guys. Uh these are really
[5:48] complicated complicated issues. Um but
[5:51] no, I I am grateful for Steve's
[5:53] partnership in that in that critical
[5:55] juncture and uh couldn't have done it
[5:56] without him.
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