NBC News - Democratic Convention - 1992-07-14

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[0:10] Convention.

[0:42] NBC News Decision 92, the Democratic

[0:45] National Convention. Here is Tom Broco.

[0:50] Good evening once again from Madison

[0:52] Square Garden in New York City. The

[0:54] second night of this Democratic National

[0:55] Convention, a night in which mixed

[0:57] messages from this party were sent out

[0:59] across the land in its platform,

[1:01] especially on economic issues. The party

[1:03] has moved smartly to the center. But at

[1:06] the same time, there was a very strong

[1:08] indictment of the Bush administration by

[1:11] former President Jimmy Carter, who made

[1:12] a triumphant return to Madison Square

[1:14] Garden tonight. And then a poignant and

[1:16] dramatic appeal by two victims of the

[1:19] HIV virus for more research in that

[1:22] particular area. This was the night as

[1:25] well in which the women of the

[1:26] Democratic Party are being featured

[1:28] because many of them are running for

[1:30] statewide office and especially for the

[1:32] United States Senate at this time. And

[1:33] then finally, just a few moments ago, a

[1:36] vintage and electrifying appearance by

[1:38] the Reverend Jesse Jackson, who has had

[1:40] at best an armslength relationship this

[1:43] week, particularly with Bill Clinton. He

[1:45] came here tonight to be part of the

[1:47] presentation of the Democratic Party

[1:48] platform, but he gave what can only be

[1:51] described as a pure Jesse Jackson

[1:54] speech. NBC's John Chancellor is here

[1:57] with me as well. John, there's been some

[1:59] discussion obviously about how much of

[2:02] an impact this will have on the kind of

[2:03] message that Bill Clinton would like to

[2:05] send out, which is that this is a more

[2:08] centered Democratic party.

[2:09] >> Well, there's there's disagreement even

[2:10] among our own colleagues on that. And it

[2:13] my I tend to believe that in a speech

[2:15] that does not mention either member of

[2:17] the ticket by name, in a speech that

[2:19] emphasizes the oldtime religion of the

[2:22] older Democratic party, that this may

[2:24] not been have been precisely what uh

[2:27] Bill Clinton had in mind tonight. I

[2:29] think former President Carter's speech

[2:30] was much closer to the target that they

[2:33] had set for themselves, but we'll have a

[2:35] chance to ask him that.

[2:36] >> We will indeed. The former president

[2:37] will be with us in just a few moments.

[2:38] Let's go to the floor now to NBC's Tim

[2:40] Russard who is down there. Tim, my own

[2:42] impression is that the Clinton people

[2:44] probably are relieved that it didn't get

[2:47] wildly out of control. There was no

[2:48] direct indictment of Bill Clinton. In

[2:50] fact, he did mention his name briefly,

[2:52] John, at the beginning and also Al

[2:54] Gores, but only kind of in passing.

[2:56] What's your judgment, Tim?

[2:57] >> Absolutely, Tom. And Reverend Jackson,

[2:59] as he said to me, he was going to be

[3:01] personally consiliatory to Bill Clinton

[3:02] and Al Gore. One of the Clinton people

[3:04] just walked by and said, "We dodged the

[3:06] bullet." It was not a perfect speech in

[3:08] their mind. They would prefer to have a

[3:09] much more centrist philosophy expressed,

[3:11] but that's not Reverend Jesse Jackson.

[3:13] And all things considered, they believe

[3:15] that the message he put forward tonight

[3:17] was one of consiliation towards Bill

[3:19] Clinton, Al Gore, and certainly

[3:21] challenging somewhat the drift of the

[3:22] party, the center, but nothing that will

[3:24] hurt them in in a large way. Right.

[3:27] Thank you very much, Tim Russer.

[3:28] Somebody else who made a very strong

[3:30] speech tonight, who returned here, and I

[3:32] think that it's not unfair to me to

[3:34] describe this in a completely renewed

[3:36] way, Mr. President.

[3:38] You even made mention of it yourself,

[3:40] Jimmy Carter. You were very tough on the

[3:42] Bush administration here tonight.

[3:43] >> Well, I tried to express things that

[3:45] have been of personal concern to me

[3:47] since I left the White House. You know,

[3:48] we work on a global basis with many

[3:50] people and in this country and we see

[3:52] the frustrations that are forthcoming

[3:54] when our country fails to meet its

[3:56] obligations and the high hopes that have

[3:58] been expressed. So, I try not to be

[4:01] personal about it, but I think we just

[4:02] really need and probably will have a

[4:04] Democratic administration

[4:06] >> in 1980. If you'd had this kind of a

[4:07] party and this kind of unity uh in terms

[4:10] of the center nature of it, do you think

[4:12] that you would have been reelected?

[4:14] >> Well, I had the center oriented party in

[4:16] 1976 and won with it. I maintained the

[4:19] center until 1980, but I had a large

[4:22] number of defections from from the left

[4:24] wing or the liberal democrats and they

[4:27] never were reconciled to me before

[4:29] November. So, we had a split party and a

[4:31] lot of those parties went to the third

[4:32] party. A lot of those cow voters went to

[4:35] a third party candidate. But I think

[4:36] that I've not seen a Democratic

[4:38] convention so united as this one since

[4:40] 1976. And I hope it bodess well for

[4:43] what's going to happen.

[4:44] >> Your nemesis in 1980 was Edward M.

[4:46] Kennedy who is not much in evidence

[4:48] here. Do you blame him for what happened

[4:49] in 1980?

[4:50] >> Not really. That was one of the issues.

[4:52] A divided party almost guarantees

[4:54] failure. But we had uh global and uh

[4:59] problems with oil and oil price

[5:01] increases doubling in just 12 months. Uh

[5:04] we had worldwide inflation and we had

[5:06] the hostages being held. So uh you know

[5:09] those three factors together made it

[5:10] very difficult.

[5:11] >> You gave tonight I thought a

[5:13] particularly sensitive and at the same

[5:14] time poignant description of what you're

[5:16] finding in the inner city in Atlanta

[5:18] with project Atlanta from the Carter

[5:20] Center. But is that fair to blame that

[5:22] on the Bush administration? Isn't that

[5:23] really an indictment of this entire

[5:25] country that we've allowed this to

[5:26] happen?

[5:26] >> Well, it's an indictment, I think, of of

[5:29] maybe all of us, but since I left

[5:31] office, for instance, has been a 92%

[5:33] reduction in funding to build homes for

[5:35] poor families, both working families and

[5:37] others. This is typical of the kind of

[5:39] neglect that's there. And also there's

[5:41] not been any reaching out to marshall

[5:44] the combined resources of the private

[5:46] and public sector which we hope to prove

[5:49] in a in a fairly non-governmental way in

[5:51] Atlanta that uh that things can work

[5:53] that there can be an alleviation of

[5:55] suffering. And I have to say that I

[5:57] didn't express that particular concern

[6:00] as an indictment of George Bush, but as

[6:03] indictment of our society. I'm part of

[6:05] it. I've as I I pointed out in my

[6:07] speech, I've been the governor of

[6:08] Atlanta. I've been the president of

[6:09] Atlanta and I've learned things in the

[6:11] last few months that I never knew before

[6:12] about Atlanta. And I might say quickly

[6:15] that Atlanta is one of the better cities

[6:16] in this nation. You know, we have

[6:18] wonderful attributes, but this blight on

[6:21] the inner cities is something that I

[6:22] believe is not a hopeless case.

[6:24] >> What do you think of Ross Pero?

[6:26] >> I don't know him. You know, the only

[6:27] thing I know about him is that he also

[6:28] graduated from Annapolis. We and I he

[6:31] and I both did that. Uh I think he has

[6:34] peaked in his political uh strength. he

[6:38] uh has capitalized on the none but the

[6:40] above or the undecided and those who are

[6:44] disaffected with government altogether.

[6:46] Uh I have always believed from the very

[6:49] beginning that his candidacy would

[6:50] probably be more costly to President

[6:52] Bush than it will to the Democratic

[6:53] nominee. I think that Bill Clinton has

[6:55] done a remarkable job the last month or

[6:57] so in pulling the Democrats back

[6:58] together and marshalling a united uh

[7:01] front. I think Bush is having a much

[7:02] more difficult time and probably will

[7:04] continue to to get the more conservative

[7:06] wing of very loyalist regonits to come

[7:10] back to him. So it may be that if Perau

[7:12] does maintain a high level of strength,

[7:14] say 15 to 20 25% that he's going to hurt

[7:17] President Bush a lot more.

[7:19] >> Bill Clinton's in very much the same

[7:20] position that you were in in 1976. He is

[7:22] a white southern governor who's not

[7:24] served in Washington at all. Based on

[7:25] your own experience, what warnings would

[7:28] you give him?

[7:28] >> Well, I don't think he needs my

[7:30] warnings. I spent a good bit of time

[7:31] with him and El Gore this afternoon. I

[7:33] think he's done the same thing I did

[7:34] after I knew I would be the nominee in

[7:37] 76. I reached out to a distinguished

[7:39] member of the US Senate, Walter

[7:41] Manddale. He's done the same thing to

[7:42] kind of complement the absence of

[7:44] experience in Washington. I think

[7:46] that'll that'll be an adequate reaching

[7:48] out. Uh there's no way that Bill Clinton

[7:51] could get overconfident with the

[7:52] afterglow of a good convention. You

[7:54] know, he was elected governor in

[7:55] Arkansas as the youngest governor in the

[7:57] country. He lost his re-election

[7:59] campaign. Learned from that experience

[8:01] not to be overconfident. I think he's

[8:03] going to be cautious, determined, and

[8:04] he's weathered a horrendous uh

[8:07] springtime of allegations against his

[8:10] family, against his character, against

[8:12] his background. I think he's weathered

[8:13] that well. And so this convention, I

[8:16] think, will put him on a strong

[8:17] position. I don't have any real

[8:19] criticisms to make. I think he's done a

[8:20] remarkably good job so far.

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[10:21] to bring you up to date on the

[10:22] quadrrenial Jesse Jackson soap opera at

[10:24] these Democratic National Conventions.

[10:26] There had been some dispute earlier this

[10:28] week about when and how he would appear

[10:30] at this convention. He has not yet had a

[10:32] formal meeting with Bill Clinton. He

[10:34] appeared here in this hall tonight as

[10:36] part of the presentation of the

[10:37] platform. That was the official reason

[10:38] that he was here. But then, as he almost

[10:41] always does, Jesse Jackson sees this

[10:43] podium as no other political warrior in

[10:46] America can. And this is some of what he

[10:48] had to say to this hall that was

[10:50] enraptured by his message.

[10:54] >> Above all, Democrats,

[10:57] we must

[10:59] reach out to our children.

[11:02] OUR CHILDREN ARE IN TROUBLE.

[11:04] They are embittered.

[11:07] They were not born that way.

[11:11] They live amidst violence and rejection.

[11:14] They live in broken streets,

[11:18] broken glass,

[11:21] broken sidewalks,

[11:24] broken families,

[11:27] broken hearts.

[11:29] Their music,

[11:31] their rap,

[11:34] their video,

[11:36] THEIR ART REFLECTS THEIR BROKEN WORLD.

[11:39] And yet

[11:41] THESE ARE OUR CHILDREN. FOR MANY OF

[11:44] THEM, I SAY TO YOU, JLo

[11:48] is a step up.

[11:50] WE SPEND IN LOS ANGELES ON THOSE

[11:52] CHILDREN TO go to a high school, but

[11:55] Congresswoman Maxine Waters and I stayed

[11:57] with them in Imperial Courts and

[11:59] Nickerson Gardens. THOSE CHILDREN CANNOT

[12:03] IMAGINE

[12:05] A HEALTH INSURANCE PACKAGE. THEY CANNOT

[12:07] IMAGINE

[12:09] APPLYING TO GO TO COLLEGE.

[12:12] THEY CANNOT IMAGINE

[12:14] A JOB

[12:16] WE SPENT ON THEM TO GO TO HIGH SCHOOL

[12:19] 5,000 A YEAR.

[12:21] BUT THE DOWNTOWN JAIL, 34,000 A YEAR.

[12:26] FOR THEM, JAIL

[12:29] IS A STEP UP. BUT ONCE THEY ARE JAILED,

[12:34] THEY'LL NO LONGER BE HIT BY DRIVE BY

[12:36] SHOOTINGS.

[12:38] ONCE THEY ARE JAILED,

[12:40] THEY'LL NO LONGER HOMELESS.

[12:43] >> ONCE THEY ARE JAILED,

[12:46] THEY HAVE BALANCED MEALS.

[12:48] >> ONCE THEY ARE JAILED, IT'S WARM IN THE

[12:52] winter time. IT'S COOL IN THE

[12:54] SUMMERTIME. ONCE THEY ARE JAILED, THEY

[12:57] HAVE ADULT SUPERVISION. WE MUST REACH

[13:00] OUT TO OUR CHILDREN. BETTER THAT WE HAVE

[13:03] CLEAN HEARTS AND DIRTY HANDS THAN TO

[13:06] HAVE DIRTY HEARTS AND CLEAN HANDS. THESE

[13:10] ARE OUR CHILDREN. THESE ARE OUR

[13:12] CHILDREN. THESE ARE our children.

[13:20] The

[13:20] >> Reverend Jesse Jackson who has been all

[13:22] over the city for the past couple of

[13:23] days saying in effect to the Bill

[13:25] Clinton campaign, "Do not ignore me. I

[13:27] am a powerful force when it comes to

[13:29] registering and turnout black voters.

[13:30] That is an issue that is in some dispute

[13:32] among many black officials in this

[13:34] country who believe that Jesse Jackson

[13:36] takes a lot of the credit for the work

[13:37] that they have done. None of them, my

[13:39] guess is, however, would suggest that

[13:41] they can compete with him when it comes

[13:43] to going to a podium and getting across

[13:44] the message that he wants to. Let's go

[13:46] to the floor of this Democratic National

[13:47] Convention now and NBC's Tim Russard.

[13:50] The immediate reaction from the Clinton

[13:52] campaign, Tim, has been that that was a

[13:54] powerful speech. Well, no one could

[13:56] argue with that as well. It's also a

[13:58] very careful choice of words, I would

[14:00] think.

[14:00] >> And Tom, the question they're now

[14:02] raising is what next? They want Jesse

[14:04] Jackson to play a very active role in

[14:06] this campaign, focusing on getting

[14:08] minority voters out. Jesse Jackson wants

[14:11] a much broader role. He thinks his

[14:13] message should be for the entire body

[14:14] politic. I asked the Jackson adviser,

[14:17] would he be content at focusing only on

[14:19] minority voters? He said, "That's not

[14:21] what we're interested simply picking

[14:22] cotton and bringing it to the

[14:24] plantation. We have a voice in the

[14:26] entire progressive wing of the party."

[14:27] >> I think one of the things that that

[14:29] they're very conscious of in the Clinton

[14:30] campaign, and by the way, we're getting

[14:32] more information now from the Clinton

[14:33] headquarters that the governor said that

[14:35] Jesse Jackson said a lot of things that

[14:37] needed to be said tonight. In fact, they

[14:39] they do have to be addressed in this

[14:40] nation, many of the issues that he did

[14:42] touch on. But I think that what the rest

[14:44] of the country will be looking for as

[14:46] well are those symbolic acts. Do they

[14:48] give Jesse Jackson an airplane and an

[14:50] unlimited budget? And do they kind of

[14:52] turn over the campaign to him? That's

[14:54] where where, if you will, Michael

[14:56] Dukakus and Fritz Manddale got into

[14:58] trouble with Jesse Jackson.

[14:59] >> Well, Tom, you remember Senator Sam Nun

[15:01] a couple weeks ago said the problem with

[15:03] Jesse Jackson is that every four years

[15:05] he asked that the nominee of the party

[15:07] pay homage to him and that causes grave

[15:09] difficulty and demonstrates weakness to

[15:11] the American electorate. Bill Clinton

[15:13] does not want to make that same mistake.

[15:15] Right.

[15:15] >> Thanks very much, Tim Russard on the

[15:16] floor. Let's go to Andrea Mitchell now

[15:18] who is standing by with one of the most

[15:20] highly regarded members of the Black

[15:22] Caucus and the House of Representatives

[15:23] altogether, a longtime veteran of the

[15:26] civil rights movement, John Lewis of

[15:27] Atlanta. Andrea,

[15:29] >> thank you, Tom. I'm with Congressman

[15:30] Lewis, who has stood with me listening

[15:33] to that powerful speech of Jesse

[15:35] Jackson's. But Congressman Lewis, your

[15:38] feeling is that he used a lot of time

[15:40] and didn't really give a ringing

[15:42] endorsement. What What's your sense of

[15:44] the speech? Well, Jess, it did use a

[15:45] great deal of time at the podium

[15:47] tonight. It was not a ringing

[15:49] endorsement of the ticket. Uh uh I had

[15:52] expected an endorsement of Bill Clinton

[15:56] and Al Gore.

[15:57] >> What do you think that Reverend Jackson

[15:59] was doing? Was he selling his program?

[16:01] Was he selling Jesse Jackson more than

[16:02] he was selling the ticket?

[16:03] >> Well, I think it was a moving speech on

[16:06] some of the big issues that our party

[16:08] must deal with and our country must deal

[16:10] with.

[16:11] >> But what about his real purpose? Well, I

[16:14] think uh Jesse was campaigning. Jesse is

[16:16] a campaigner. He's a good politician. It

[16:18] sound like Atlanta four years ago or

[16:21] maybe he's looking down the road.

[16:22] >> Is he campaigning for himself rather

[16:24] than Clinton and Gore?

[16:25] >> Well, I would like for him to campaign

[16:27] for Clinton and Gore and and for all of

[16:30] us in the Democratic party,

[16:31] >> but you haven't heard it yet.

[16:33] >> Well, uh we haven't heard it, but

[16:35] hopefully we will hear it before the end

[16:36] of this week.

[16:37] >> One of your points was that he didn't

[16:39] mention Bill Clinton very much. She

[16:40] mentioned Hope Arkansas and uh mentioned

[16:43] Gore, but not really Bill Clinton.

[16:45] >> Well, I am hopeful that Jess will find a

[16:49] way to give a ringing endorsement of

[16:51] this ticket before the end of this week.

[16:53] >> Okay. Thank you, Congressman John Lewis.

[16:55] Congressman Lewis has not yet heard what

[16:57] he wants to hear from Jesse Jackson, and

[17:00] he was one of the early members of the

[17:01] Black Caucus to endorse Bill Clinton.

[17:04] Tom,

[17:04] >> thank you very much. Andrew Mitchell.

[17:05] John Lewis has not been happy either

[17:07] with Jesse Jackson because Jesse Jackson

[17:08] has come to Atlanta and endorsed one of

[17:11] the opponents of John Lewis. So there is

[17:14] no by no means unonymity within the

[17:16] black elected officials in this country

[17:17] about the Reverend Jesse Jackson.

[17:19] There's the possibility too as well,

[17:21] John, that we're all going to spend

[17:22] entirely too much on the Jesse Jackson

[17:25] factor here tonight because there are

[17:26] many more issues that have been played

[17:28] out in this

[17:28] >> written the word psychoanalysis on this

[17:30] little piece of paper. We're doing it

[17:32] again. It's the great trap at political

[17:35] conventions that we psychoanalyze Jesse

[17:37] Jackson and he adores it. I mean all

[17:39] politicians do but I think we I think we

[17:42] can move on.

[17:43] >> I think so indeed. This is a night in

[17:45] which they have talked as well about

[17:47] their platform which is a more much more

[17:50] of a centrist document than it has been

[17:52] in the past. They're emphasizing women

[17:54] here tonight, the candidates for uh the

[17:56] United States Senate and for statewide

[17:58] office. And they made a very powerful

[18:00] appeal, I think, on the issue of AIDS.

[18:02] So, there are other parts of the

[18:04] Democratic party here tonight, including

[18:06] the appearance of the man who just left

[18:07] the studio, Jimmy Carter.

[18:08] >> I thought Carter was extraordinarily

[18:10] effective. And if we can judge from the

[18:13] booth up here, and I think we can,

[18:15] affection for a politician, it certainly

[18:17] came through tonight.

[18:18] >> Thank you very much, John Chancellor.

[18:20] We'll be back with continuing coverage

[18:21] from the Democratic National Convention

[18:23] on this NBC station right after this.

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[20:06] She loved her family so much. She risked

[20:08] her life in a war torn country to save

[20:11] them.

[20:11] >> We owe everything to her.

[20:12] >> But her greatest sacrifice was giving up

[20:14] her child.

[20:15] >> She wanted the best for me.

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[21:12] Madison Square Garden in the heart of

[21:13] Manhattan, the site of the Democratic

[21:14] National Convention. And tonight, a

[21:17] moment of high emotion in this hall when

[21:19] Elizabeth Glazier, who is HIV positive,

[21:23] went before these delegates to talk

[21:24] about her experience and to appeal for

[21:26] the election of Bill Clinton because she

[21:28] believes that's her best hope for

[21:30] staying alive and the hope of her son.

[21:32] She contracted HIV through blood

[21:34] transfusion during the birth of a child.

[21:36] She's already lost one child to this

[21:39] plague upon America. And this is some of

[21:40] what she had to say tonight to these

[21:42] delegates.

[21:46] >> I believe in an America where our

[21:49] leaders talk straight.

[21:53] When anyone tells President Bush that

[21:56] the battle against AIDS is seriously

[21:59] underfunded, he juggles the numbers to

[22:03] mislead the public into thinking we're

[22:05] spending twice as much as we really are.

[22:09] While they play games with numbers,

[22:13] people are dying.

[22:16] I believe in America, but America where

[22:20] there is a light in every home. A

[22:23] thousand points of light just wasn't

[22:26] enough. My house has been dark for too

[22:30] long. My daughter and I loved each other

[22:33] with simplicity.

[22:36] America, we can do the same. This was

[22:40] the country that offered hope. This was

[22:43] the place where dreams could come true.

[22:46] Not just economic dreams, but dreams of

[22:49] freedom, justice, and equality. We all

[22:54] need to hope that our dreams can come

[22:57] true. I challenge you to make it happen

[23:02] because all our lives, not just mine,

[23:06] depend on it. Thank you.

[23:13] That is the first time that issue has

[23:15] come before a national political

[23:16] convention because it has come upon this

[23:18] country of course like a wildfire. And

[23:21] at the podium right now, NBC's Maria

[23:23] Shriber with Elizabeth Glazer. Maria,

[23:25] >> thank you. Tom, I am here with Elizabeth

[23:26] Glazer, the co-founder of the Pediatric

[23:28] AIDS Foundation. And you were just

[23:29] telling me that you're still in a state

[23:31] of shock, one that you were invited to

[23:33] speak here and that you actually did it.

[23:35] Why were you surprised you're invited?

[23:37] Well, I think that for Governor Clinton

[23:40] to say he was going to have someone with

[23:42] HIV speaking was a bold move. And

[23:45] certainly we know I know that he's a man

[23:47] of his word. What he says he's going to

[23:49] do, he's going to do. To have the

[23:50] opportunity to speak to the convention,

[23:53] the country, the world about AIDS is

[23:58] um a very important moment in my life.

[24:00] You placed the responsibility for the

[24:03] death of your daughter squarely on the

[24:05] feet of the Reagan administration. Do

[24:07] you believe they're responsible for

[24:08] that? I I believe that they're

[24:10] responsible for not moving fast enough

[24:12] and I'm sure that we've lost many many

[24:14] lives because of that. Um I have never

[24:17] pointed a finger at any one individual,

[24:19] but I know we can do better. We have to

[24:21] do better because people are dying and

[24:24] we have to do it now. And so this is the

[24:26] time for a change. This is the time to

[24:29] say we are not going to accept what's

[24:31] been going on and we're going to move

[24:32] ahead into a better life for all of us.

[24:35] You got a standing ovation. This crowd

[24:37] was completely silent when you spoke.

[24:39] Were you surprised because a lot of

[24:42] people have a bad reaction when they

[24:44] meet someone with AIDS or when someone

[24:46] talks to them about that subject. There

[24:48] was so much support in the room. I was,

[24:50] you know, obviously I'm not a public

[24:52] speaker. I was concerned about whether

[24:53] or not people would listen. I'm talking

[24:55] about my life, my children's lives. It's

[24:57] very, very personal. And I it was so

[25:01] important and meaningful to me that they

[25:04] did listen and that I could feel the the

[25:07] support in that room coming towards me

[25:10] and and many other people. And I think

[25:11] it was an important thing for the world

[25:13] to see that someone can applaud and and

[25:16] and stand beside um people with HIV

[25:20] because we need that support to fight

[25:23] our fight. If Clinton and Gore are

[25:25] successful in November, what's the first

[25:27] thing they're going to need to do to

[25:28] satisfy activists like you?

[25:30] >> Well, he's laid it out. They're going to

[25:32] fully fund Ryan White. They're going to

[25:34] add the money to research so that we can

[25:35] move ahead like a racing train. They're

[25:37] going to repeal our immigration law,

[25:39] which is prejuditial and and unnecessary

[25:42] and create most importantly the

[25:44] leadership that says this is a war. This

[25:46] is a priority. I believe we can win this

[25:48] war, but we can't win it without the

[25:49] leadership that um Clinton and Gore are

[25:51] promising us. Elizabeth Glazier, thank

[25:53] you so much for joining us. And she, as

[25:55] she mentioned to me earlier, Tom, she's

[25:57] still in a bit of a state of shock that

[25:58] she actually did this and did it so

[26:00] well.

[26:01] >> I think you can tell her for all of us

[26:02] that there have seldom been more

[26:04] effective speakers at that podium or any

[26:06] podium than Elizabeth Glazier here

[26:08] tonight and everyone I know could not be

[26:11] more empathetic and sympathetic to her

[26:12] condition. There was a march here in

[26:14] Manhattan today, some 50,000 people

[26:16] altogether, led by a very active gay and

[26:18] lesbian alliance. But as the AIDS virus

[26:22] spreads out into the general population

[26:24] altogether, more and more people are

[26:26] beginning to listen to people like

[26:28] Elizabeth Glazier about the true price

[26:30] that we're all paying in this area.

[26:32] NBC's John Chancellor has been looking

[26:34] at a poll that we have taken of these

[26:35] delegates. There are about 5,000 people

[26:37] down there altogether and they are

[26:38] trying very hard, of course, portray

[26:40] themselves as a reborn Democratic party,

[26:43] much more in touch with the lives and

[26:46] the interest and the hopes of middle

[26:48] America. Well, and a lot of them are

[26:50] professional politicians and so here's

[26:51] what how they see the architecture of

[26:53] the campaign in the fall. What are Bill

[26:56] Clinton's best issues in this fall

[26:58] campaign? Well, NBC News along with the

[27:00] newspaper USA Today put that question to

[27:03] more than 800 delegates to this

[27:05] Democratic convention. And here are the

[27:07] issues the delegates think will work

[27:09] best against George Bush. Let's call it

[27:11] the Democratic hit parade. the economy,

[27:14] which is not in good shape, domestic

[27:16] affairs, education, which is a big

[27:19] problem, and the general subject of

[27:21] urban problems. These are their best

[27:23] issues, they think. Our sample of

[27:25] delegates also told us what they thought

[27:27] would be their least effective issues

[27:29] this fall. The delegates think the

[27:31] following issues would be the worst

[27:33] things to raise during the campaign.

[27:35] Foreign affairs, the president's strong

[27:36] suit, experience, the Middle East, which

[27:40] would of course include the Gulf War,

[27:42] and family values. Family values in our

[27:45] constitutional system should be the

[27:47] responsibility of the clergy, not the

[27:49] presidency. But for a number of years

[27:51] now, the Republicans have been beating

[27:52] up on the Democrats with the issue of

[27:54] family values. These delegates know that

[27:56] and they're saying don't use family

[27:58] values this fall. Tom,

[28:01] >> thank you very much, John Chancellor.

[28:03] We'll be back with more of our coverage

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[31:04] Democratic National Convention. Once

[31:07] again, Tom Bro.

[31:09] And once again, the Reverend Jesse

[31:11] Jackson who is here in our studio with

[31:13] us tonight after having electrified this

[31:14] hall. A lot of pundits and a lot of

[31:16] delegates and a lot of casual lookers on

[31:18] are wondering was that an allout

[31:20] endorsement of Bill Clinton that speech.

[31:23] I don't know why you guys keep going

[31:24] back over that same territory. We we

[31:26] didn't endor on Saturday. You know, if

[31:29] we had had a a big press conference, you

[31:31] guys would have called it ostentatious,

[31:33] flamboyant, bunch of big names. We did

[31:35] it in a very uh precise, rational,

[31:38] coherent Tom Brokhott type way. And you

[31:40] guys say it's it's half-hearted.

[31:42] >> I did not say it was half-hearted. I

[31:44] happen to think that it was the kind of

[31:46] speech that Bill Clinton liked. And

[31:47] based on what we're hearing from his

[31:49] campaign headquarters, he said it was

[31:50] powerful and you said the things that

[31:52] needed to be said.

[31:54] >> But it's the things I've been saying all

[31:56] the while. See, on terms of the the

[31:58] Clinton priorities, what does it stand

[32:01] for? DC statehood on-site same day

[32:04] registration a new form of of health

[32:06] care system uh raising minimum wage and

[32:09] indexing it cutting the military budget

[32:11] reinvesting in cities those issues we've

[32:13] been raising really since ' 84 the party

[32:16] has shifted toward the moral center now

[32:18] it is our job to push it even further

[32:21] and I say that in the best sense of

[32:22] Roosevelt people say he's new deal

[32:25] Roosevelt ran as you know on a balanced

[32:26] the budget plan but labour and workers

[32:29] pushed him to a new deal we must now

[32:31] push our party and push the country

[32:34] toward a a new deal for workers.

[32:36] >> Are you unhappy with the platform that

[32:37] was adopted here tonight?

[32:39] >> Well, I think it is a basic step in the

[32:41] right direction. There are always points

[32:42] of contention. For example, we're going

[32:44] to keep fighting to make certain that we

[32:46] have a deliberative trade pack with

[32:48] Mexico and not a fast track because it

[32:50] puts the American worker at a

[32:51] disadvantage. We're going to keep

[32:52] fighting to end right to work laws

[32:54] because they are repressive. We're going

[32:56] to fight for equal funding for public

[32:57] education for all the children as

[32:59] opposed to choice for the few. And

[33:02] probably next time around those issues

[33:04] are considered minority planks now will

[33:07] be center stage in 96. And that's the

[33:09] wheels of progress. And I think the

[33:10] other point I wanted to bring out was

[33:11] that while we look at Fanny Liu Hmer to

[33:14] Ron Brown and Alexis Herman, if Fanny

[33:16] Liu Hmer had not gotten in that

[33:18] convention, not only would Ron Brown not

[33:19] be chairman, but Al Gore and Clinton

[33:22] could not be as ticket because that

[33:25] movement freed up white and black in the

[33:27] South.

[33:28] >> And is this the night that you begin

[33:30] campaigning in an active fashion for

[33:32] Bill Clinton?

[33:32] >> No, because we've not discussed

[33:34] campaigning. deny not continue on our

[33:37] registration work to focus on targeted

[33:39] campaigns. Whatever we develop, whatever

[33:41] relation we develop with the campaign

[33:43] will be because Bill Clinton requests a

[33:45] relationship. Uh whatever distance uh or

[33:48] proximity he wants, he can have that. Uh

[33:51] if he if he wants uh more work in the

[33:53] campaign, we can talk about it. But so

[33:55] far, we have not talked. My commitment

[33:57] has nothing to do with some personal

[34:00] deal or some personal adjustment to me.

[34:03] It has everything to do with trying to

[34:05] alter the course of the country.

[34:07] >> Tell me in your own words your

[34:09] relationship with Bill Clinton, the man,

[34:11] the politician, and what he stands for.

[34:12] >> Boy, we've known each other for about 12

[34:14] years. For example, we met at Little

[34:15] Rock Central High about 12 years ago. We

[34:18] have a mutually respectful relationship.

[34:20] We have been in each other's homes. We

[34:22] we communicate quite well. I suppose the

[34:25] uh tension point now is not so much

[34:27] about priorities but about the strategy

[34:30] they have been using what we call a kind

[34:31] of a counter scheduling foil strategy

[34:33] where you go to one group and challenge

[34:36] it trying to get group trying to get

[34:38] votes over here. Cuomo calls that the

[34:40] strange math of u of addition by

[34:43] division. I say let's have addition by

[34:46] addition and let's expand our base and

[34:48] then we can win.

[34:49] >> And do you expect that Bill Clinton will

[34:51] win in November? I hope he wins in

[34:53] November. It would be good for the

[34:55] country. Uh we really have had 12 years

[34:58] of a long drought and it's time for for

[35:01] a change, a fundamental change. I mean,

[35:03] how much more 10 million people

[35:05] unemployed, 35 million in poverty,

[35:08] plants closing, no sense of health

[35:09] insurance, children dropping out of

[35:11] life, not just out of school. The

[35:14] country deserves a change and and a new

[35:17] opportunity. and a vice president who

[35:19] can not only spell potato but anti-

[35:22] disestablishmentarianism.

[35:25] Al Gore the scholar

[35:26] >> which is probably more than you and I

[35:28] could do and we're not going to try

[35:29] right here on national television right

[35:30] now. Reverend Jackson, it's always a

[35:32] pleasure to have you with us.

[35:33] >> Thank you.

[35:33] >> Now let's go to Bob Kerr who is at the

[35:35] Clinton campaign headquarters here in

[35:37] New York. And of course they have been

[35:38] watching all of this. We trust Bob.

[35:40] >> Tom, they have off and on while Governor

[35:42] Clinton also has been working on his

[35:44] speech. You know, you've spent an awful

[35:45] lot of time talking about uh Reverend

[35:47] Jackson and Governor Clinton tonight. It

[35:49] is a double-edged sword, it seems to me.

[35:50] I know the reaction out of here is

[35:52] basically positive to the speech. And if

[35:54] you consider all we've talked about

[35:56] about the dance that Clinton has been

[35:58] doing all year, if indeed he has tried

[36:00] to distance himself from Reverend

[36:02] Jackson, then it is a double-edged

[36:04] sword. Did he really want a strong

[36:05] endorsement from Jackson? Yes, on one

[36:08] hand. But on the other hand, if indeed

[36:10] he's going for those suburban white

[36:11] middle class voters, maybe he didn't

[36:14] want the active, enthusiastic, big

[36:16] endorsement here in prime time

[36:18] television tonight. Anyway, this is a

[36:20] candidate upstairs who obviously has not

[36:23] enjoyed a lot of this primary season. I

[36:25] can tell you that they wholeheartedly

[36:28] are enjoying this convention, the

[36:29] Clintons and their campaign workers.

[36:31] Although one aid pointed out to me

[36:33] tonight quite realistically that they

[36:35] really feel this is as good as it's

[36:37] likely to get. Indicating of course that

[36:39] it's likely to be a very rough fight

[36:41] between now and November. Tom

[36:54] >> here tomorrow night do you think?

[36:58] >> Tom, are you asking me a question? I'm

[37:00] sorry I couldn't hear you.

[37:01] >> Uh, yes, I was talking to you.

[37:03] >> Now, go ahead. I hear you now.

[37:04] >> Okay. What about the candidates's plans?

[37:06] Do we expect that he'll come to the hall

[37:08] before his acceptance speech on Thursday

[37:09] night, for example, tomorrow night?

[37:11] >> There is some talk that Clinton will go

[37:13] to the hall tomorrow night when his name

[37:15] is placed a nomination and indeed may

[37:17] even get up and say a few words. Uh, but

[37:19] simply in thanks. His schedule has been

[37:22] interesting in a limited targeted way

[37:24] here. One or two events a day. Today

[37:26] very interesting. a woman's a uh group

[37:29] of women's groups and also Gore went out

[37:32] and talked to an environmental group and

[37:34] so they are very carefully targeting the

[37:36] groups uh they're going to hit in this

[37:37] campaign groups that they think will

[37:39] provide them an advantage.

[37:41] >> Thanks very much Bob Kerr who is at the

[37:43] Clinton headquarters here in Midtown New

[37:45] York tonight and we'll be back with more

[37:47] from this Democratic National Convention

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[39:35] >> We're back at the Democratic National

[39:36] Convention here in New York City. And at

[39:38] the podium right now in the heart of

[39:39] prime time is Senator Tom Harkin of

[39:42] Iowa. At this point in the schedule, the

[39:44] Democrats had hoped to be featuring the

[39:46] many women who are running for the

[39:48] United States Congress or for the Senate

[39:49] or running for statewide office. But

[39:51] this schedule now has slipped badly out

[39:53] of gear in part because the Reverend

[39:56] Jesse Jackson went over uh the aotted

[39:58] time that was expected of him. But then

[40:00] it was an electrifying indeed a magical

[40:03] moment for these delegates here tonight.

[40:05] At the podium, however, NBC's Maria

[40:07] Shrivever is standing by with two of

[40:09] those candidates for the United States

[40:11] Senate. Maria,

[40:12] >> that's right. Thank you very much, Tom.

[40:13] I am standing here with Linel who's

[40:15] trying to go sit down now and we're on

[40:16] the air so you can't do that from

[40:18] Pennsylvania and Carol Mosley br from

[40:20] Illinois and this is supposed to be

[40:22] ladies night and where everybody is

[40:24] talking about the year of the woman and

[40:25] I remember standing in the convention

[40:27] hall back in 1984 when Geraldine Ferraro

[40:29] was nominated and women all across the

[40:31] nation and in that hall said we've

[40:33] arrived. This is it. This is the year of

[40:35] the woman and then nothing happened.

[40:37] What's to keep nothing from happening

[40:39] again? Carol. Well, I think this is very

[40:42] different because I I never brought into

[40:44] it being the year of the woman, per se,

[40:46] uh to begin with. I think it's a year

[40:48] for change. People want change and and

[40:51] that's what underscores the movement

[40:53] this time. The difference again is that

[40:55] women are in the front of change. Women

[40:57] are leading the change and women uh come

[41:00] to government with a a platform, a

[41:03] program in most instances to restore

[41:06] confidence and faith in government. So,

[41:07] that's the difference.

[41:08] >> What's the downside to this? I mean,

[41:10] there are a lot of women running. People

[41:12] expect them to win. What happens if they

[41:14] don't? Will people say, "Look, I told

[41:16] you so. They can't win. They can't

[41:17] govern."

[41:18] >> Well, I think there are two dangers. One

[41:20] is that if we're all just sort of looked

[41:24] at as the women candidates, there is the

[41:26] danger of trivializing our races and of

[41:30] somehow missing the very distinct

[41:32] differences between our campaigns,

[41:35] between our personalities and

[41:36] backgrounds. And I agree with Carol

[41:39] that, you know, it's this notion of the

[41:41] year of the woman really does sort of

[41:44] put us at a disadvantage in some ways.

[41:46] It's also, you know, it's a plus in the

[41:49] sense that people are looking for

[41:50] change. But, um, I think that we need to

[41:54] watch out for the overblown

[41:58] expectations. I believe all of us are

[42:00] going to win, by the way. I think that

[42:02] Carol is certainly going to win. I'm

[42:03] going to win. I think that, you know,

[42:05] Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein are

[42:07] going to win and we are going to bring

[42:09] new leadership and new innovative

[42:11] approaches to the United States Senate.

[42:14] Um, I think that women have such high

[42:17] hopes that it's going to be very

[42:19] important for that to happen. Lynel and

[42:21] Carol Mosley Brown, thank you so much

[42:22] for joining us and I know you have a lot

[42:24] busy. More things on your agenda this

[42:26] evening. We want to go now to Lisa

[42:27] Meyers who is standing by with the woman

[42:29] I was talking about initially, Geraldine

[42:31] Ferrar on the floor. Lisa, thank you.

[42:33] Maria, with me is the woman who

[42:34] electrified the 1984 Democratic

[42:37] convention when she walked out and

[42:38] declared, "My name is Geraldine Ferraro,

[42:41] and I stand before you tonight to

[42:43] declare, America is a land where dreams

[42:45] can come true for all of us."

[42:47] Congresswoman, on the surface at least,

[42:49] this would seem to be a very different

[42:51] uh Democratic party than the one that

[42:52] nominated you for vice president eight

[42:54] years ago. Are there changes mostly

[42:56] cosmetic or are they real? Well, I think

[42:59] what's real is the reaction of people

[43:02] and what is really real is the fact that

[43:04] there are so many credible women running

[43:06] for office for the Senate, for Congress.

[43:08] You're going to see some of the women

[43:10] challengers introduced tonight and you

[43:12] saw some of the women have already been

[43:14] nominated for the Senate introduced last

[43:16] night. Also, there's there's a lot of

[43:18] feeling outside and and what you're

[43:21] seeing here, the enthusiasm you're

[43:22] seeing here is a reflection of what's

[43:24] out throughout the country. You are

[43:27] trying to make a political comeback by

[43:29] running for your party's nomination to

[43:31] oppose Republican Senator Al Damato in

[43:34] the fall. How big of an an advantage is

[43:36] it this year to be a woman? It's

[43:38] wonderful. I have to tell you, someone

[43:40] said to me, don't you feel a little bit

[43:41] guilty? And I said, no. Um, I'm really

[43:44] in the right place at the right time.

[43:45] But it's more than just about gender. It

[43:47] is also about what we are talking about.

[43:50] It's the fact that today people are

[43:52] looking at the economy, at healthcare,

[43:53] at education, at the issue of choice,

[43:56] and they're saying, you know, that

[43:57] what's been going on in Washington for

[43:59] the last 200 years is not really what's

[44:02] right. And things have been going wrong

[44:03] for so long. Let's get some women in

[44:04] there. They bring a different

[44:05] perspective. They are changed. They'll

[44:08] they'll be able to to deal with things

[44:10] perhaps in a new way. And that's really

[44:13] what you're seeing happening. You're

[44:15] seeing people, men and women alike,

[44:17] turning around to women candidates as

[44:19] the as the vehicles of change. When we

[44:22] were standing here, you told me that a

[44:23] number of the men in the Democratic

[44:25] party are a little bit resentful that

[44:27] suddenly they no longer have the

[44:28] political advantage. Uh what do people

[44:31] say? What do they say to you?

[44:33] >> Well, the thing about is when I go out

[44:34] and campaign, I obviously don't campaign

[44:36] on Jerry Far as a woman running. I

[44:38] campaign on the issues that are of

[44:39] importance to us. But it really is

[44:41] incredible to watch people's reaction to

[44:43] my candidacy. Um, they'd like to see me

[44:46] down there. They do believe that we

[44:48] think we bring a different perspective.

[44:50] There's a book written by Carol Gilligan

[44:52] who is a Harvard professor and the book

[44:53] is called In a Different Voice. And what

[44:55] she says is that women women approach

[44:57] problems differently. We think more in

[44:59] terms of generations to come. And you'll

[45:01] see that reflected in how we approach

[45:03] problems of education, how we approach

[45:05] problems of the inner city. Um, you'll

[45:07] also see that issues that are

[45:09] specifically women's issues like mammogs

[45:13] for women, cancer research for uterine

[45:15] cancer, that type of healthc care issue

[45:18] will come much more to the four. I had

[45:20] dinner tonight with Congresswoman

[45:21] Barbara Conelli from Connecticut and

[45:23] Senator McCowski of Maryland and we were

[45:25] talking about, you know, the spousal

[45:27] impoverishment bill, which is Senator

[45:28] McCowski. It really did make a

[45:30] difference for elderly women in this

[45:31] country. She she the idea came to her

[45:34] because her father had Alzheimer's. Her

[45:36] mother was spending down every bit of

[45:38] money that they had and she put that

[45:39] bill in to protect elderly women. Again,

[45:42] the approach is a woman's approach. M

[45:44] Barbara Canelli was talking about a

[45:45] pension bill that I had passed and then

[45:47] gave her the piece that had not been.

[45:49] She carried that on. So we we will

[45:51] address those issues that are absolutely

[45:53] of importance. Until very recently, you

[45:55] were not even going to be introduced

[45:57] from the podium at this convention uh

[46:00] because of objections from your uh male

[46:02] counterpart, but you are going to be

[46:04] introduced later.

[46:06] >> Thank you very much, Congressman. Now,

[46:07] book back to Tom Bro in the booth.

[46:10] >> Thank you. Uh Geraldine Ferraro and Lisa

[46:12] Myers and Richards, by the way, talking

[46:14] about women in politics is that there's

[46:16] a distinct difference with men because

[46:17] women know that if they lose in politics

[46:20] that they can go on to another life.

[46:21] men, she said, who get involved in the

[46:23] public arena have not yet learned that

[46:25] very fundamental lesson. We'll be back

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[48:44] We're back at the Democratic National

[48:45] Convention in Madison Square Garden. One

[48:46] of the cutting issues for the Democrats

[48:48] this year will be abortion, of course.

[48:50] And there is some news on abortion

[48:51] tonight. A judge here in New York ruled

[48:53] today that it was illegal for the

[48:55] government to have seized an abortion

[48:57] pill that a woman was bringing into this

[48:59] country. And then very quickly a federal

[49:02] appeals court judge blocked the ruling.

[49:04] So it is still illegal to bring in the

[49:07] the pill that can induce abortion that

[49:10] has been developed in France and on the

[49:12] floor of this convention. Uh no one not

[49:15] everyone is in lock step on the issue of

[49:17] abortion. Not everyone believes in an

[49:19] absolute right of a woman to have an

[49:20] abortion. One of those who in fact

[49:22] disagrees with that is with NBC's Andrea

[49:25] Mitchell right now. Andrea,

[49:27] >> thank you, Tom. I'm here in Pennsylvania

[49:29] with the governor of Pennsylvania,

[49:30] obviously a big electoral state who was

[49:33] not able to speak to the convention

[49:35] tonight because he is an opponent to

[49:38] abortion. Governor Casey, how do you

[49:40] feel about the fact that you were

[49:41] blocked from speaking? That's an

[49:43] extraordinary development where the

[49:46] Democratic governor of a major state uh

[49:48] is twice elected is denied a right to

[49:50] speak as muzzled and a Republican woman

[49:53] is brought in here who worked for my

[49:55] opponent in Pennsylvania and she's put

[49:57] up on the podium and given front and

[49:59] center. That is not what this party

[50:01] should be all about.

[50:01] >> You're referring to Kathy Taylor whom

[50:03] the uh Clinton people and the Democrats

[50:05] produced today as a Republican example

[50:08] of someone who is in favor of abortion

[50:09] rights and spoke from the podium. That's

[50:11] what's upsetting him because

[50:12] >> in other words, she passed the litmus

[50:14] test on abortion. She spoke. She's a

[50:17] Republican. I'm a Democratic governor. I

[50:19] didn't pass the litmus test and I was

[50:20] muzzled. That's wrong.

[50:22] >> Okay. Thank you very much, Governor

[50:24] Case. What about an endorsement? Are you

[50:25] about to endorse him, will you?

[50:27] >> This is something that uh really tries

[50:30] your patience. I'll be telling him to

[50:32] think about it very carefully.

[50:34] >> Okay. Thank you very much, Governor

[50:35] Casey. Now to John Cochran on the floor.

[50:38] >> You Andrea. I'm speaking now with the

[50:40] chair of the Arizona delegation, Janet

[50:42] Napoleana, who's also well known as one

[50:44] of the councils for Anita Hill and the

[50:46] Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings.

[50:48] We just had Governor Casey on from

[50:50] Pennsylvania. He was not permitted to

[50:52] address this convention. The chairman,

[50:54] the governor from a large state,

[50:57] Pennsylvania. Do you think that was

[50:58] wrong? Even though you're very much

[50:59] pro-choice and very much active in

[51:01] women's issues.

[51:02] >> I think it was the right decision. The

[51:04] platform of this party is pro-choice and

[51:06] Governor Casey is not pro-choice. You,

[51:09] as I said, are very active in women's

[51:10] issues. Let me ask you, is there too

[51:12] much of a good thing? Can the Democratic

[51:14] party be too sensitive to women? Bubba's

[51:17] out there watching this, too. He's

[51:18] concerned about his issues, too.

[51:20] >> Bubba is concerned about jobs. He's

[51:22] concerned about healthcare. He's

[51:24] concerned about tax equity. He's

[51:26] concerned about economic progress. Women

[51:28] are concerned about those issues. I

[51:30] think these are universal issues. Well,

[51:32] having said that, the Democratic Party

[51:35] in the past has been criticized and the

[51:37] feeling has been that has lost votes

[51:38] because it seemed to be too sensitive to

[51:41] black issues, too sensitive to minority

[51:43] issues, too sensitive to, in this case,

[51:45] women's issues in the last uh couple of

[51:47] conventions. Do you think this party has

[51:50] to reach out to the white male a little

[51:53] more than it has in the past?

[51:55] >> I think we are reaching out to the white

[51:57] male, but in addition to reaching out to

[51:59] the white male, we are reaching out to

[52:00] women. We are reaching out to people of

[52:02] color and we wish to become the party of

[52:04] the future.

[52:06] >> You come from a fairly conservative

[52:07] state, Arizona. How does abortion play

[52:09] there?

[52:10] >> In Arizona, surprisingly enough, choice

[52:13] is very much the view of the

[52:14] overwhelming majority of the populace.

[52:17] >> Let me ask you just about Bill Clinton

[52:19] in general. It's said that he's in

[52:20] trouble in the West. Is he in trouble in

[52:22] Arizona?

[52:23] >> I don't think so. Arizona, as you said,

[52:25] is a conservative state. The last time

[52:26] we voted for a Democrat was 1948. I

[52:29] think in 1992 we have our first chance

[52:31] in a long time. He he and uh Senator

[52:35] Gore will play very well there.

[52:36] >> Thanks very much Janet Nolano from

[52:38] Arizona. Now back to Tom.

[52:39] >> Thank you John Cochran. At the podium

[52:41] right now getting a very large reception

[52:42] in this hall is Kathleen.

[52:45] >> Kathleen Brown who's the state treasur

[52:47] of California, sister of Jerry Brown,

[52:50] daughter of Pat Brown, former governor.

[52:52] She's a thoroughbred in California

[52:53] politics and they got high hope for her

[52:55] out there. They had hoped that she would

[52:56] be on earlier tonight obviously to talk

[52:58] about a lot of the issues that are

[53:00] important to this party with 52% of the

[53:03] voters in the country women. They are

[53:05] emphasizing women tonight but they

[53:07] slipped well behind the schedule because

[53:09] this was an evening dominated in the

[53:11] hall at least by two speakers I think

[53:14] it's fair to say. One Elizabeth Glazer

[53:16] talking about being HIV positive. The

[53:18] other one Jesse Jackson to give former

[53:20] President Jimmy Carter his due. He too

[53:23] made a memorable speech, but once again,

[53:25] Jesse Jackson found a night of his own

[53:27] at the Democratic National Convention.

[53:29] Uh, John Chancellor, what really counts

[53:32] here is what happens between now and

[53:34] Thursday for Bill Clinton. The overall

[53:35] impression that he leaves and we do not

[53:37] want to do a kind of tick tock of these

[53:39] proceedings and to say that his fate is

[53:42] rising or falling every 10 minutes.

[53:43] >> I think you're absolutely right. And I

[53:45] would point out, Tom, which you well

[53:46] known, that what we have seen here in

[53:48] this hall tonight bears very little

[53:50] resemblance to the theater that we used

[53:53] to see at the 72 conventions, the 76,

[53:56] 80, 84 conventions, countercultures,

[53:59] anti-war protesters, different

[54:00] lifestyles, people in crazy costumes,

[54:03] offending a lot of middle Americans.

[54:06] This is rather a well-dressed, moderate

[54:08] crowd. I think some of them made

[54:10] terrific speeches, but I don't think we

[54:12] should get too close to content analysis

[54:14] tonight because I think the overall

[54:16] image that went out to the country was

[54:18] of a party in transition on certain

[54:20] principles, but a bunch of people who

[54:22] looked quite respectable. That's right.

[54:24] This is a party that is determined to

[54:26] somehow recapture, they think, in a year

[54:28] that could be a year of passage, the

[54:29] White House, which has been denied them

[54:31] five out of the last six presidential

[54:33] elections, quite obviously. And what

[54:35] happened here tonight will not be

[54:37] ultimately as important as what happens

[54:39] beginning a week from today when Bill

[54:41] Clinton begins to go in his bus around

[54:43] the country with Al Gore, his running

[54:45] mate. As we leave you here this evening

[54:47] in our coverage, a reminder we'll be

[54:48] back tomorrow night with PBS and our

[54:50] continuing joint venture beginning at 8

[54:52] Eastern time. Then NBC comes back at

[54:54] 10:00. And tonight, these proceedings

[54:56] open formally with a national anthem

[54:59] from the Queen of Soul, Artha Franklin.

[55:02] We'd like to end with that.

[55:06] Oh sh.

[55:18] >> Oh, say

[55:22] can you see

[55:26] by the dawn

[55:28] early

[55:30] lights?

[55:33] But so proudly

[55:37] we

[55:41] at the twilight

[55:44] lasting

[55:48] broad strip

[55:52] and bright stars

[55:56] through the peril

[56:00] this

[56:04] All the raing

[56:20] and the rock.

[56:30] Bursting.

[56:33] Bursting in

[56:42] the night.

[56:45] And I'm glad

[56:50] still there.

[56:56] Oh

[57:04] sh

[57:21] Oh

[57:25] the lamb.

[57:28] I

[57:32] free

[57:42] and

[57:47] the home

[57:54] >> Lord. Oh,

[57:59] I said

[58:09] >> is it still

[58:12] is STILL

[58:20] home

[58:22] Turn them down.

[58:55] 11 days until the Olympics here on NBC.

[59:03] >> Want to change? Okay. 2 minutes away. Uh

[59:06] yeah, on my my roll queue, I'm going to

[59:08] I'm going to tighten it up to read

[59:10] criticism of President Bush.

[59:12] >> Okay. Okay.

[59:22] >> How does it look?

[59:30] >> On time.

[59:32] On time, everybody.

[59:36] All right. 90 seconds. 85 seconds now

[59:39] stations. We are on time.

[59:42] >> Broke off the air.

[59:47] >> In case you didn't notice, if you didn't

[59:48] notice, you're hanging on a lot of lot

[59:50] of dead air.

[59:57] >> I hope I can hear you when it all

[59:59] starts.

[60:01] >> Well, I can hear you. We got boys.

[60:04] >> 1 minute.

[60:26] >> Can we get that patched back?

[60:30] Can we patch the monitor back?

[60:32] >> 30 seconds, stations. 30 seconds.

[60:38] >> Tommy could switch the monitor back.

[61:02] Well, for these dem