PBS NewsHour - 2008-10-23
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[0:12] NewsHour Tonight, the news of this
[0:13] Thursday. Then today's congressional
[0:16] hearing on why the financial crisis
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[0:23] on home foreclosures in a California
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[2:18] >> Wall Street fought today to regain some
[2:20] ground. The market swung back and forth
[2:23] again amid more disappointing news about
[2:25] corporate earnings. In the end, the Dow
[2:28] Jones Industrial Average gained 172
[2:30] points to close at 8691.
[2:34] The Nasdaq fell more than 11 points to
[2:36] close below 16004. Most of the major
[2:40] indexes in Europe and Asia were down
[2:42] again as well. The former head of the
[2:45] Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, blamed
[2:48] banks and investors today for the
[2:50] financial crisis. He told a House
[2:52] hearing, "Too many investors bought
[2:54] securities tied to subprime mortgages
[2:57] and did not consider the risk." And he
[3:00] acknowledged he was partially wrong in
[3:02] believing banks would be more careful.
[3:04] Those of us who have looked to the
[3:07] self-interest of lending institutions to
[3:09] protect shareholders equity, myself
[3:12] especially, are in a state of shocked
[3:16] disbelief.
[3:17] Such counterparty surveillance is a
[3:20] central pillar of our financial market
[3:23] state of balance. If it fails, as
[3:26] occurred this year, market stability is
[3:29] undermined.
[3:31] Greenspan warned the country faces much
[3:33] higher unemployment. He said the
[3:35] situation will not turn around until
[3:38] housing prices stabilize in the US and
[3:41] he said that could be many months in the
[3:43] future. The numbers on home foreclosures
[3:46] in the third quarter painted a grim
[3:48] picture today. The private data firm
[3:50] realy track reported the foreclosure
[3:53] rate jumped 70% over last year to
[3:56] 766,000
[3:58] homes. It said one-third of all homes
[4:01] for sale in the US could involve
[4:03] foreclosed properties by the end of the
[4:06] year. Also today, the government
[4:08] reported housing prices kept falling in
[4:10] August by more than half a percent. Top
[4:13] members of the Bush administration
[4:15] talked today of helping homeowners. They
[4:17] said part of the $700 billion financial
[4:20] rescue plan could go to guarantee
[4:22] troubled home loans. The head of the
[4:25] Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation,
[4:27] Sheila Bear, backed that idea at a
[4:29] Senate hearing.
[4:31] >> Everyone agrees that more needs to be
[4:32] done for homeowners. We need to prevent
[4:34] unnecessary foreclosures, and we need to
[4:36] modify loans at a much faster pace.
[4:39] Preventing unnecessary foreclosures will
[4:41] be essential to stabilizing home prices
[4:43] and providing stability to mortgage
[4:44] markets and the overall economy. At that
[4:48] same hearing, the Treasury official
[4:49] running the overall rescue effort said
[4:52] it's already having a positive effect.
[4:54] Neil Kashkari said there have been
[4:57] numerous signs of improvement, but he
[4:59] acknowledged the markets remain fragile.
[5:02] General Motors and Chrysler moved to cut
[5:04] more jobs today. GM said it's going to
[5:06] dismiss an unspecified number of
[5:09] salaried and contract workers and it
[5:11] will halt matching payments to 401k
[5:14] plans. And Chrysler announced it's
[5:16] cutting 1,800 jobs, partly by closing a
[5:20] Delaware plant one year early. In the
[5:23] presidential campaign today, with 12
[5:25] days to go, Republican John McCain
[5:27] issued his strongest criticism yet of
[5:30] President Bush. He told the Washington
[5:32] Times the president piled up debt and
[5:34] abused executive powers. And in Florida,
[5:37] McCain charged Democrat Barack Obama
[5:40] will say anything to get elected. Obama
[5:43] spoke to 35,000 people in Indianapolis.
[5:46] He said McCain wants to keep on putting
[5:48] corporations ahead of workers. We'll
[5:51] have more on the campaign later in the
[5:52] program. A roadside bomb in Afghanistan
[5:55] killed three coalition soldiers
[5:57] overnight. The soldiers nationalities
[5:59] were not given. In Pakistan,
[6:02] intelligence officials said a suspected
[6:04] US missile strike killed nine people.
[6:07] They said it hit a religious school
[6:09] linked to the Taliban in a key town
[6:12] along the Afghan border. No students
[6:14] were believed to be there at the time.
[6:17] And Iraq today, the US handed back
[6:19] control of the southern province of
[6:20] Babel. It was the 12th of 18 provinces
[6:24] to revert to the Iraqis and it included
[6:27] the region once known as the Triangle of
[6:29] Death. The transfer ceremony was held
[6:32] near the ruins of the ancient city of
[6:34] Babylon. The number two US commander
[6:37] said attacks have fallen about 80% since
[6:40] last year. And that's it for the news
[6:42] summary tonight. Now, Greenspan on the
[6:45] financial crisis, cleaning up after
[6:47] foreclosures, Obama and McCain on the
[6:50] stump, the press and the campaign, and
[6:53] airport troubles.
[7:02] Judy Woodruff has our financial crisis
[7:04] story tonight.
[7:06] >> The former chair of the Federal Reserve
[7:09] and one of the best known names in
[7:11] finance, returned to Capitol Hill today
[7:14] for the first time since the financial
[7:16] crisis began. Alan Greenspan, who headed
[7:19] the Fed for 18 years until early 2006,
[7:23] appeared with the chairman of the
[7:25] Securities and Exchange Commission,
[7:27] Chris Cox, and former Treasury Secretary
[7:30] Jon Snow, at a hearing examining the
[7:33] role of federal regulators in the
[7:35] current crisis.
[7:36] >> We are in the midst of a once- ina
[7:39] century credit tsunami.
[7:41] Central banks and governments are being
[7:43] required to take unprecedented measures.
[7:46] Greenspan has been criticized for
[7:48] decisions he made earlier this decade
[7:51] that some economists charge helped to
[7:53] foster the housing bubble.
[7:55] >> And my question for you was simple. Were
[7:59] you wrong?
[7:59] >> Uh partially.
[8:01] >> Democrats on the committee led by the
[8:03] chairman Henry Waxman of California
[8:06] pressed Greenspan on whether his
[8:08] fundamental economic philosophy was
[8:11] mistaken. The question I have for you is
[8:13] you had an ideology. You had a belief
[8:18] that um that free competitive and this
[8:21] is your your statement. I do have an
[8:23] ideology. My judgment is that free
[8:25] competitive markets are by far the
[8:27] unrivaled way to organize economies.
[8:30] We've tried regulation. None
[8:32] meaningfully work. That was your quote.
[8:34] You had the authority to prevent
[8:36] irresponsible lending practices that led
[8:38] to the subprime mortgage crisis. You
[8:41] were advised to do so by many others and
[8:44] now our whole economy is paying its
[8:46] price. Do you feel that your ideology
[8:50] pushed you to make decisions that you
[8:52] wish you had not made?
[8:53] >> Well, remember that what an ideology is
[8:56] is a conceptual framework with the way
[8:59] people deal with reality. Everyone has
[9:02] one. You have to to exist. You need an
[9:05] ideology. The question is whether it is
[9:08] accurate or not. And what I'm saying to
[9:10] you is yes, I found a flaw. I don't know
[9:14] how significant or permanent it is, but
[9:17] I've been very distressed by that fact.
[9:19] >> You found a flaw in
[9:22] >> flaw flaw in the model that I perceived
[9:25] is the critical functioning structure
[9:27] that defines how the world works, so to
[9:30] speak.
[9:30] >> In other words, you found that your your
[9:33] view of the world, your ideology was not
[9:36] right. It was not working. It had
[9:38] precisely no I that's precisely the
[9:40] reason I was shocked because I had been
[9:42] going for 40 years or more with very
[9:45] considerable evidence that it was
[9:47] working exceptionally well.
[9:49] >> When he was Fed Chair Greenspan made
[9:51] many appearances before congressional
[9:53] committees and was generally treated
[9:56] with deference. His opinion was widely
[9:58] sought and his words heated. But today,
[10:01] in the aftermath of the financial
[10:03] meltdown, Greenspan faced a much rougher
[10:06] reception from Democrats. Ohio's Dennis
[10:09] Cusinich.
[10:10] >> Now, Mr. Greenspan, before the collapse
[10:13] of the housing bubble, didn't you also
[10:16] say that the US has not experienced
[10:19] housing slumps to justify your policy
[10:22] that there would be no bubble? And can
[10:24] you tell this committee uh when you it
[10:27] occurred to you that there was a housing
[10:30] bubble?
[10:30] >> I knew uh uh the housing bubble became
[10:35] clear to me uh sometime in early 2006.
[10:39] In retrospect
[10:41] uh I did not forecast a significant
[10:44] decline because we had never had a
[10:46] significant decline in prices. And uh
[10:50] it's only as the process began to emerge
[10:53] that it became clear that we were about
[10:55] to have what essentially was a global
[10:59] decline in home prices.
[11:01] >> Republicans sought to shift the focus to
[11:03] the role of Fanny May and Freddy Mack,
[11:06] the governmentbacked mortgage entities
[11:08] in the crisis. Idaho Republican Bill
[11:11] Sulli asked SEC Chair Cox whether those
[11:14] responsible for the crisis will pay a
[11:17] price. Are the people that have caused
[11:19] this, is somebody going to go to jail?
[11:24] >> There's no question that
[11:26] somewhere uh in this uh terrible mess,
[11:32] many laws were broken. Uh right now the
[11:35] criminal authorities, the civil
[11:36] authorities, not only in the federal
[11:38] government and the state governments,
[11:39] but uh in other countries because this
[11:41] is now, as you know, a matter of
[11:43] intention, international focus, are
[11:45] working to make sure that lawb
[11:47] breakakers are held accountable and and
[11:49] people are brought to justice.
[11:50] >> Greenspan and Cox contended regulators
[11:53] cannot predict crisis. Chairman Waxman
[11:57] took issue with that. Well, I want smart
[11:59] regulation, but I want to point out that
[12:03] what I'm hearing from our witnesses
[12:05] today is they just didn't know. Uh they
[12:08] couldn't make projections about what the
[12:10] future was or they're not always right.
[12:13] The truth of the matter is that there
[12:15] were a lot of warning signs. The reasons
[12:17] why we set up your agencies
[12:20] and uh gave you uh budget authority to
[12:23] hire people is so that you can see
[12:26] problems developing before they become a
[12:29] financial crisis. To tell us afterwards
[12:33] when we are now faced with the the the
[12:36] disaster that we're seeing that you
[12:39] couldn't have foreseen it. It it just
[12:41] doesn't satisfy me. Greenspan who was
[12:45] once dubbed the oracle in the world of
[12:47] finance said his predictive powers were
[12:50] limited.
[12:51] >> So it strikes me that if you go back and
[12:54] ask yourself how in the early years
[12:57] anybody could realistically make a
[13:00] judgment as to what was ultimately going
[13:02] to happen to subprime. I think you're
[13:04] asking more than anybody is capable of
[13:07] judging. And we have this
[13:09] extraordinarily complex global economy
[13:13] which as everybody now realizes is very
[13:16] difficult to forecast in any
[13:18] considerable detail. And Mr. Chairman, I
[13:21] know I agree with you in the fact that
[13:22] there were a lot of people who raised
[13:25] issues about problems emerging. But
[13:28] there are always a lot of people raising
[13:30] issues and uh half the time they're
[13:33] wrong. And the question is what do you
[13:36] do? I mean you point out quite correctly
[13:39] that the Federal Reserve had as good an
[13:41] economic organization as exists and I
[13:44] would say in the world if all those
[13:48] extraordinarily capable people were
[13:50] unable to foresee the development of
[13:53] this critical problem uh which
[13:56] undoubtedly was the cause of the world
[14:00] problem with respect to mortgage backed
[14:02] securities.
[14:04] I have to think I think we have to ask
[14:06] ourselves why is that and the answer is
[14:10] that uh we're not smart enough as people
[14:14] we just cannot see events that far in
[14:18] advance and unless we can it's very
[14:21] difficult to look back and say why
[14:24] didn't we catch something
[14:26] >> to get some perspective on today's
[14:28] hearing and what was revealed we get the
[14:30] views of two people who've watched the
[14:32] Fed closely over the years, one from the
[14:35] inside and one from the outside. Alice
[14:37] Rivlin served as vice chair of the
[14:39] Federal Reserve in the late 1990s. Also
[14:42] a former director of the office of
[14:44] management and budget under President
[14:46] Clinton. She's now a senior fellow at
[14:48] the Brookings Institution. And John
[14:50] Cassidy, he's a staff writer at the New
[14:52] Yorker and contributing editor at NAS
[14:55] portfolio. He has covered Alan Greenspan
[14:58] for both magazines. Thank you both for
[15:00] being with us. Alice Rivlin to you
[15:02] first. When Alan Greenspan says we were
[15:04] just not smart enough, uh, no one was
[15:07] smart enough to be able to forecast what
[15:09] was going to happen. First of all, do
[15:10] you agree with him?
[15:12] >> Not completely. I think what we failed
[15:14] to do was look at where the incentives
[15:17] in our system were going to get us into
[15:20] trouble. Now, one was in subprime
[15:24] mortgages. We were not regulating the
[15:28] lenders that were putting out a lot of
[15:32] bad loans in retrospect.
[15:34] >> So you're saying that information wasn't
[15:35] available?
[15:36] >> Well, no, I think it was available. Uh
[15:40] these institutions were not federally
[15:42] regulated banks mostly. Uh they were
[15:46] mortgage lenders who were regulated by
[15:48] the states if at all. But as this
[15:51] housing bubble grew and took off,
[15:54] lenders were making a lot of loans that
[15:57] they shouldn't have made and borrowers
[15:59] were borrowing when they shouldn't have
[16:01] made them. And then there was another
[16:02] complication, several more, but uh these
[16:06] loans were being packaged and sold to
[16:09] somebody else to be backing for
[16:12] mortgagebacked securities. Now, in the
[16:15] old days, the lender really had to watch
[16:18] out that the he wasn't making a bad loan
[16:20] because he might not get repaid. But in
[16:22] this new world, he didn't have to worry
[16:25] about that. Uh he could sell this loan
[16:27] to somebody else and then uh take the
[16:31] money and make another loan. So, we'd
[16:33] got the incentives wrong there.
[16:36] >> So, you're saying that the information
[16:38] was there and people did have should
[16:40] have known better is basically what
[16:41] you're saying. Let me bring John
[16:43] Cassidy. And how significant is it this
[16:45] this uh statement by the Mr. Greenspan
[16:49] that people just didn't know enough to
[16:51] do anything about it?
[16:52] >> Well, it was a remarkable appearance all
[16:54] told if you think back to 10 years ago,
[16:56] even 5 years ago, how um you know, in
[17:00] what Greenspan was was held. like cover
[17:02] of a lot of hearings on the hill and uh
[17:03] he was treated with great deference as
[17:05] your report said but actually I think he
[17:07] didn't really change his tune that much
[17:09] during the speculative bubble of the '9s
[17:12] he used to say this is too complicated
[17:14] nobody can really understand if it is a
[17:16] bubble then we had a second bubble the
[17:18] housing bubble um which was obviously
[17:20] linked to the subprime problem and now
[17:22] he's saying well that was too
[17:23] complicated too nobody could really
[17:24] understand that either now if you think
[17:26] about that what he's really saying is
[17:27] you know he's the top regulator in the
[17:29] country he's the head of the central
[17:30] bank but he can't really do anything
[17:32] about the major problems in the economy.
[17:34] And I think, you know, that that's just
[17:36] um pushing it a bit.
[17:38] >> So, Alice Rivlin, uh is is this
[17:41] essentially what Alan Greenspan has said
[17:42] before? We just didn't hear it clearly
[17:45] enough.
[17:46] >> I don't think so. Um and I wouldn't be
[17:49] as harsh as Mr. uh Cassidy. We can't
[17:52] blame all of this on one person. There
[17:54] was blame to go around. We were victims
[17:56] the whole country of a collective
[17:59] delusion that housing prices would keep
[18:01] on going up. And I think we lost control
[18:04] of our common sense. Uh many uh uh
[18:08] people who bought mortgagebacked
[18:10] securities and who bought other
[18:12] securities that were related to them
[18:14] didn't ask one simple question which was
[18:17] what happens to the value of these
[18:18] securities when housing prices go down
[18:21] as they eventually would. Now uh Mr.
[18:25] Greenspan said that today basically he
[18:28] said uh the models were based the models
[18:32] of risk were based on the past and
[18:35] that's right but you didn't have to be a
[18:39] genius to know that this couldn't
[18:40] continue forever and that the question
[18:43] what happens when prices go down should
[18:46] have been asked by a lot of people uh in
[18:49] the whole system
[18:50] >> you're saying beyond the Fed
[18:52] >> be certainly beyond the Fed
[18:53] >> John Cassidy the other Go ahead Yeah,
[18:55] >> I I mean I I agree with that. I don't
[18:57] think Greenspan is wholly responsible.
[18:59] Obviously, he's not. Um you know, the
[19:01] investors were responsible, the bankers
[19:02] were responsible, the media was
[19:04] responsible for not reporting more
[19:06] aggressively on this. But, you know, the
[19:07] head of the Federal Reserve is meant to
[19:09] be the most senior regulator in the
[19:11] country. And in this instance, you know,
[19:13] he stands accused of making two major
[19:15] mistakes. One, keeping interest rates
[19:18] low for too long and allowing a housing
[19:20] bubble to occur. and B advocate
[19:23] adicating his responsibility as as a
[19:25] regulator. He didn't really address the
[19:27] first of those things today. He did
[19:29] address the second and said he made a
[19:31] partial mistake in not agreeing to the
[19:33] regulation of credit default swaps, but
[19:36] that was the first time he said anything
[19:37] like that and it was a semi mia culpa I
[19:41] guess you'd call it, but I don't think
[19:43] it went all the way.
[19:44] >> Well, and Alice Rivlin, what about that?
[19:45] But I mean he did acknowledge today he
[19:47] said he's found a flaw in his
[19:48] understanding what had been his
[19:50] understanding of how credit markets
[19:53] work.
[19:54] >> Is that I I significant?
[19:57] >> Oh I think that's very significant and
[19:59] it isn't just Allen Greenspan. A lot of
[20:01] people were very committed to an
[20:04] ideology, to use that word, that said
[20:07] markets work perfectly or almost
[20:11] perfectly to channel capital into the
[20:13] right places and to correct mistakes.
[20:16] Well, they don't. When we get into a
[20:18] situation where we have this collective
[20:20] delusion that something that can't go on
[20:23] forever is going to go on forever, we
[20:26] need something uh to pull us back from
[20:28] the brink. And I think we'll now have
[20:30] more sensible regulation. I hope we
[20:33] don't overregulate, but regulation that
[20:35] is somewhere in the middle between
[20:37] markets always work and markets don't
[20:40] work at all. We need markets, but we
[20:42] need to correct the rules and modernize
[20:45] the regulation so it keeps up with the
[20:48] fast changes. John Cassidy, is it so
[20:50] clear that if the decisions that the
[20:53] committee was grilling Alan Greenspan
[20:55] and Jon Snow and Chris Cox about today,
[20:58] if those decisions had been different
[20:59] that everything we're going through now
[21:00] could have been avoided or what?
[21:03] >> I mean, that's an impossible question to
[21:05] answer. I mean, Greenspan supporters
[21:07] would say that he couldn't have made the
[21:08] the difference. As I say, I don't think
[21:10] he the counterfactual is impossible to
[21:12] define, but I think it would have made
[21:14] some difference. I mean, these markets
[21:16] just weren't regulated. the credit
[21:18] default swaps and as as Ellis says the
[21:20] mortgage markets were only regulated at
[21:22] the local level. There were people
[21:24] inside the Fed who were raising raising
[21:26] issues about these things. Ned Grammlick
[21:28] the late Ned Garlick who was a Fed
[21:31] governor did issue some warnings to
[21:33] Greenspan and was ignored. Brooks Lee
[21:36] Bourne who the ex- head of the commodity
[21:37] futures trading commission tried to get
[21:41] her agency to regulate some of these
[21:42] derivatives and Greenspan brushed her
[21:45] off. Now, would that have made all the
[21:47] difference? I don't know. It is very,
[21:49] very difficult to deal with a
[21:51] speculative bubble once it gets going.
[21:53] But what you can try and do is try and
[21:54] stop one beginning in the first place.
[21:56] And I think, you know, most of the
[21:58] mistakes were made early on.
[22:00] >> How much difference do you think it
[22:01] would have made?
[22:02] >> I think it would have made some
[22:03] difference. I don't agree that uh
[22:06] keeping interest rates uh too low, too
[22:08] long was a major part of it. With
[22:10] hindsight, it might seem to be, but the
[22:13] Fed was in a difficult situation because
[22:15] the economy wasn't growing very well.
[22:17] There wasn't any inflation. They're
[22:19] supposed to look after the whole
[22:20] economy. And the real question is,
[22:23] should they have used interest rates to
[22:26] slow down a housing bubble and punish
[22:28] the rest of the economy? I don't think
[22:30] that would have been possible. Uh it
[22:33] would have meant raising interest rates
[22:35] so high uh that it would have killed
[22:37] economic growth. and some of the same
[22:39] people that are fussing it Mr. Green's
[22:41] band now would have been outraged by
[22:43] that.
[22:44] >> Does does today John Cassidy does what
[22:46] we heard today provide clarity in terms
[22:49] of what should be done in the future?
[22:51] >> I think today was more about you know
[22:53] what happened in the past? Everybody,
[22:55] even Greenspan, it appears now agrees
[22:57] that there needs to be some form of
[22:59] regulation of these products. When
[23:01] you're getting into the details, it's
[23:02] very complicated about what actually
[23:04] needs to be done. I think what's going
[23:06] to have to happen is the next
[23:07] president's going to have to appoint
[23:09] some sort of bipartisan panel or some
[23:11] experts panel perhaps um led by um
[23:13] Greenspan's predecessor Paul Vulkar or
[23:15] somebody of that stature to come up with
[23:17] a set of detailed um suggestions which
[23:20] Congress can then deal upon because one
[23:22] thing we've seen and as Greenspan
[23:23] stressed today quite correctly the
[23:25] financial system is now incredibly
[23:27] complicated with all sorts of markets in
[23:29] all sorts of places interconnected so
[23:31] you know you can't rush into regulating
[23:33] as Ellis says there is a danger of
[23:34] overregulating but I think something
[23:36] needs to be done.
[23:37] >> Alice Rivlin as we referred in the in
[23:40] the report there Alan Greenspan was
[23:42] called the oracle the maestro. What is
[23:45] his reputation? What how has all this
[23:48] affected him and the regard in which
[23:50] he's held?
[23:52] >> Well, I personally have a high regard
[23:54] for Alan Greenspan. I worked with him. I
[23:56] enjoyed it. He's very smart. But he is
[23:58] ideological. He did stand in the way of
[24:02] modernizing our regulatory system and I
[24:06] believe that was a mistake and maybe he
[24:08] does now too. We uh the financial
[24:11] structure was changing very very
[24:13] rapidly. New products, new institutions
[24:16] and we didn't modernize the regulatory
[24:19] system to keep up with that.
[24:21] >> Well, we are going to leave it there.
[24:23] Alice Rivlin, John Cassidy, thank you
[24:25] both. Thank
[24:26] >> you.
[24:33] Now, the impact of home foreclosures in
[24:36] the Southern California County of
[24:38] Riverside. We have a story originally
[24:40] produced by KCT Los Angeles for its
[24:43] program SoCal Connected. The
[24:46] correspondent is Lisa Ling.
[24:52] You could say that these guys are a
[24:54] home's most unwelcome group of guests
[24:56] because they're here to grab, throw,
[24:59] bag, haul, and generally destroy
[25:02] everything left behind by the owner of
[25:04] this foreclosed home.
[25:08] The mission is to fill this dumpster as
[25:10] quickly as possible so it can be taken
[25:12] to the landfill. That's right, the
[25:15] landfill. Nearly everything left in this
[25:17] house is going to the dump.
[25:21] Why would people leave a a big TV like
[25:23] that?
[25:24] >> Well, I think that uh they didn't have
[25:27] the money to get a moving van, and so
[25:30] they uh they took what they could, threw
[25:32] it in their car, and they're off. We
[25:34] don't even know where they would go, but
[25:36] uh maybe to relatives, to a hotel.
[25:39] >> John Pler owns a business that contracts
[25:41] with banks and mortgage companies to do
[25:43] this dismantling, which he calls a trash
[25:46] out. the word he says he came up with
[25:48] because it so perfectly describes how
[25:50] homes are emptied. Is this house typical
[25:53] of a lot of the ones that you trash out?
[25:56] >> Yes. Uh newer home, newer neighborhoods
[26:00] over the last five or six years. Those
[26:02] are the people that participated in the
[26:04] subprime loans and they're the ones that
[26:07] are really taking the beating. Even
[26:09] though he's done this now for several
[26:11] years, Pler says he's still surprised by
[26:13] the personal things people leave behind.
[26:16] >> People always say that the first thing
[26:17] they take if there was some kind of
[26:19] disastrous photographs, but
[26:20] >> no, we find pink slips to automobiles.
[26:24] We'd find birth certificates. Now, those
[26:26] types of things we keep and we we
[26:28] attempt to uh
[26:30] >> computers computers, printers.
[26:31] >> There's a computer. It's all t
[26:33] >> two computers.
[26:34] >> Yeah. Two computers in there. Table.
[26:36] >> Incredible. Incredible.
[26:38] >> We found dozens of things, but one of
[26:40] the things we found just recently was an
[26:42] urn that somebody's remains. They had
[26:45] been cremated and they left their earn
[26:47] at the house. And we called the bank and
[26:49] says, "What do we do with that?" And
[26:50] they said, "Do not trash that."
[26:52] >> And although people know for months in
[26:54] advance that they're headed for
[26:55] foreclosure, they often leave in a
[26:58] hurry.
[26:58] >> Yeah. You've got rotting food here. Uh
[27:00] these people didn't take much. Uh, they
[27:03] took what they needed, perhaps their
[27:06] wallets and their purses and the shirts
[27:08] on their back literally, and they're
[27:10] gone.
[27:10] >> I guess if you're going to lose
[27:11] everything, what's the point of cleaning
[27:13] up, right?
[27:14] >> I think that people that finally get to
[27:16] this point are depressed. They've lost
[27:19] their home and they're probably not
[27:21] thinking straight. They've lost
[27:22] everything and as you can see, a lot of
[27:24] good stuff is still here and so they
[27:26] must be in great despair.
[27:29] >> A few years ago, Pler had three
[27:31] employees. Today he has 73 trashing an
[27:34] average of 15 foreclosed homes a day.
[27:39] >> So it must be a little bit of a a
[27:41] bittersweet kind of experience because
[27:42] on the one hand your business is
[27:43] booming, but you're from here and you're
[27:45] seeing all these people's lives
[27:46] destroyed essentially
[27:47] >> and friends too. Uh we've got people
[27:49] actually in our company that are losing
[27:51] their homes. I've got many many friends
[27:53] that have lost their homes. This is a
[27:54] disaster on a on a grand scale. This is
[27:58] not something that we're excited about
[27:59] doing. That sense of sadness isn't lost
[28:03] on the Trash Out crew.
[28:04] >> I wonder what I would do in their
[28:06] situation. I wonder how I would feel,
[28:09] what I would leave behind. What I would
[28:12] tell my kids before I leave. I mean, I
[28:16] have to pick up these their children's
[28:17] toys. I mean, I pick up dolls. And I
[28:20] wonder I wonder if this was a little
[28:23] girl's best friend.
[28:25] I wonder what this was to somebody else.
[28:27] And now it's going into a dumpster.
[28:32] Everything that's left behind is left
[28:34] behind because they want to leave it
[28:36] here. There's no coercion. Uh they're
[28:39] not being forced out of the house
[28:40] immediately. They have plenty of time to
[28:42] take it out. So, it's their decision,
[28:44] not the banks, not ours.
[28:47] >> Pler says he's tried and tried to donate
[28:49] everything to charity because it makes
[28:51] ecological sense and would cut what he
[28:53] pays in landfill fees.
[28:56] >> 1699.
[28:58] Now it's worthless.
[29:00] >> But his crews move at a blistering pace
[29:02] and the logistics of hooking up with a
[29:04] charity truck has never worked out.
[29:06] >> Off to the dump.
[29:07] >> What happens is they don't show up when
[29:09] they say they're going to show up. Uh
[29:10] they leave things because they don't
[29:12] think it's valuable and then we have to
[29:14] come back and pick it up or we get in
[29:16] trouble because we did not finish the
[29:18] job.
[29:20] >> Pler says he's contractually prohibited
[29:22] from leaving anything on the curb. Every
[29:25] house has to be left ready to sell. So
[29:27] crew members are encouraged to keep
[29:29] anything they like so long as they can
[29:31] carry it off the job that day. It's
[29:34] >> a very nice lamp. Want to take that?
[29:37] >> I don't know where to put it.
[29:38] >> Let me take that.
[29:40] >> Anybody want the uh end table? Nobody
[29:43] wants to take it home? I don't think so.
[29:44] It would have already been cleaned.
[29:46] >> Even the guys that are seasoned in this
[29:48] business, I think it's caused them to
[29:50] think, how could this happen? And we're
[29:52] just seeing all kinds of things happen
[29:54] that I don't think we would have thought
[29:55] were possible. No matter which
[29:58] neighborhood you go to, the story is the
[30:00] same. Auctions, bank-owned properties,
[30:04] short sales, which is when an owner owes
[30:06] more than the house is worth.
[30:08] >> About every third house is foreclosed,
[30:10] uh, right past the golf course, right
[30:12] down in the golf course area down there.
[30:14] >> There's two or three this way, there's
[30:16] three this way, and there's like five
[30:18] across the street that are foreclosures.
[30:20] Yeah. So, we have an auction, a short
[30:22] sale, a short sale, bankowned, two more
[30:25] foreclosures, another foreclosure down
[30:27] here, and a another um I believe a short
[30:29] sale.
[30:29] >> Hey, we need to go to the dump
[30:32] >> like now.
[30:33] >> I don't think the United States or at
[30:34] least California could handle another
[30:35] one of these foreclosure crisis, but
[30:38] we'll go through this process again. In
[30:40] the short term, yes, everybody's burned
[30:41] their hand and they remember that burn,
[30:43] but over the long term, 10 years from
[30:46] now, we might be back here.
[30:49] That was an excerpt from a longer
[30:51] program. To see the piece in its
[30:53] entirety, just go to pbs.org,
[30:56] scroll down to Newshour Reports, and
[30:58] then look for a link to the KCT website.
[31:09] The presidential candidates, they were
[31:11] all out in battleground states today.
[31:13] And NewsHour correspondent Spencer
[31:15] Michaels has our report.
[31:19] Barack Obama made one last stop in the
[31:22] traditionally red state of Indiana today
[31:24] before flying to Hawaii to visit his
[31:27] ailing grandmother. The visit coincided
[31:30] with a new Big 10 battleground opinion
[31:33] poll that showed the Democrat with a
[31:35] 10-point advantage over John McCain in
[31:38] the Hooser State. At an afternoon rally
[31:41] in Indianapolis, Obama accused McCain of
[31:44] favoring corporate tax breaks that would
[31:47] hurt American workers.
[31:49] >> Just yesterday, John McCain strongly
[31:52] defended the Bush policy of lavishing
[31:55] tax cuts on corporations,
[31:57] including those that ship American jobs
[32:00] overseas.
[32:02] He made kind of a strange argument that
[32:04] the best way to stop companies from
[32:06] shipping jobs overseas is to give more
[32:09] tax cuts to companies that are shipping
[32:11] jobs overseas.
[32:15] More tax cuts for jobs outsourcing.
[32:18] That's what Senator McCain proposed as
[32:20] his answer to outsourcing.
[32:23] He said that's quote simple fundamental
[32:25] economics. Well, Indiana, my opponent
[32:28] may call that fundamental economics, but
[32:30] we know that's just another name for
[32:32] Wall Street first, Main Street last.
[32:34] That's the kind of economic philosophy
[32:36] we've had for the past 8 years. And
[32:39] that's fundamentally wrong.
[32:45] If Senator McCain wants to defend tax
[32:47] breaks for companies that ship jobs
[32:49] overseas, that's his choice. But I say,
[32:51] let's end tax cuts for companies that
[32:53] ship jobs overseas. Give them to
[32:55] companies that are investing right here
[32:56] in Indiana, right here in the United
[32:58] States of America.
[33:00] >> McCain campaigned today in Florida where
[33:03] another new poll, this one from
[33:05] Quinnipic University, showed the
[33:08] Republican trailing Obama by five
[33:10] points. At a morning event in Orman
[33:13] Beach, McCain criticized Obama's tax
[33:16] proposal and his move earlier in the
[33:19] week to tweak his plan by adding a
[33:22] requirement that people who get a tax
[33:23] cut have to work.
[33:26] >> Obama wants to spread the wealth around.
[33:28] Senator Obama wants to spread it around.
[33:31] That means
[33:33] fewer jobs at their businesses and fewer
[33:36] jobs here in Florida.
[33:38] You know,
[33:40] this week, this week we learned that
[33:43] Senator Obama is concerned that his plan
[33:46] for wealth regents redistribution
[33:49] is seen as welfare.
[33:52] >> So he just added a work requirement 12
[33:56] days to go. 13 days ago in this
[33:57] election, he changed his tax plan
[34:00] because the American people had learned
[34:02] the truth about it
[34:04] >> and they didn't like it.
[34:10] It's an another example that he'll say
[34:13] anything to get elected.
[34:17] >> So now, if you're unemployed, Senator
[34:19] Obama's plan won't help you at all, even
[34:22] as his tax increases make fewer jobs
[34:26] available to you so you can get back to
[34:29] work. And that's the problem with
[34:31] Senator Obama's approach on taxes. He's
[34:34] more concerned about using taxes to
[34:37] spread the wealth than creating a tax
[34:40] plan that creates jobs and grows our
[34:43] economy.
[34:46] >> Republican vice presidential nominee
[34:48] Sarah Palin, meanwhile, stumped in Ohio
[34:51] where she blasted Obama for favoring tax
[34:54] credits rather than real tax cuts.
[34:58] Democrat Joe Biden held a rally in
[35:00] Winston Salem, North Carolina, and said
[35:02] a major goal of an Obama administration
[35:05] would be to revive the middle class.
[35:08] Tomorrow, Biden campaigns in West
[35:10] Virginia, McCain in Colorado, and Palin
[35:14] in Pennsylvania and Missouri.
[35:17] Now, covering the coverage of the
[35:19] presidential campaign, Jeffrey Brown has
[35:21] our media unit report. In a campaign
[35:24] that's generated enormous interest and
[35:26] seemingly more coverage than a 24-hour
[35:29] day would allow, are there consistent
[35:31] trends or themes in the reporting? A new
[35:34] study, Winning the Media Campaign, from
[35:36] the Pew Research C Center's Project for
[35:38] Excellence in Journalism, offers some
[35:40] answers. Mark Jerkwitz is the associate
[35:43] director of the group and a former media
[35:45] reporter for the Boston Globe. Also with
[35:47] us is Cali Crossley, program manager at
[35:50] the Neman Foundation for Journalism at
[35:52] Harvard and a contributor to WGBH
[35:54] Boston's media program, Beat the Press,
[35:57] and Robin Abcarian, who's been on the
[35:59] campaign trail with the candidates as a
[36:02] staff writer for the Los Angeles Times.
[36:04] Mark, uh, the headline, I guess, on your
[36:07] study, the coverage of your study of the
[36:09] coverage,
[36:10] >> you write, "The media coverage has not
[36:12] so much cast Barack Obama in a favorite
[36:15] light as it has portrayed John McCain in
[36:18] a substantially negative one." And what
[36:20] does that mean?
[36:21] >> Well, the period we looked at, Jeffrey,
[36:23] was from September 8th through October
[36:25] 16th. So, it's a crucial period in the
[36:26] election, basically from the end of the
[36:28] Republican convention through the the
[36:31] all of the presidential debate. So, a
[36:33] crucial moment. And what we do is we we
[36:35] look at what we call the tone of the
[36:37] campaign. We actually evaluate stories,
[36:39] hundreds and hundreds of them, to see
[36:42] whether there tend to be more negative
[36:43] assertions or positive assertions about
[36:45] a candidate in a story. And we're
[36:47] actually very conservative about the way
[36:48] we do it. We have a lot of stories that
[36:50] are neutral by negative.
[36:51] >> Well, negative could be anything from a
[36:53] source to the journalist himself saying
[36:55] anything from this campaign looks like
[36:57] it's in trouble or uh this, you know,
[37:00] he's been accused of this or that. It's
[37:02] really an assertion that in some way
[37:04] casts a negative light on the candidate
[37:06] or his campaign.
[37:07] >> Can I give you an example from today's
[37:09] paper? Sure. A lot of lot of lot of
[37:11] stories today about expenditure on Sarah
[37:13] Palin's wardrobe.
[37:14] >> That would be in all probability
[37:16] depending on how the actual story looked
[37:18] a negative story about Sarah Palin
[37:19] >> even though it is a reported straight
[37:22] reporting.
[37:22] >> If it's straight reporting and there is
[37:24] no you know hint whatsoever then it
[37:26] would be a neutral story. But if people,
[37:28] for example, are criticizing, if there
[37:30] are two or three sources or stories as
[37:32] we saw today, you know, with perhaps
[37:33] people saying, "Boy, I don't want my
[37:35] money spent that way," then that would
[37:36] be a negative assertion as opposed to a
[37:38] positive assertion.
[37:39] >> But what you're you're essentially
[37:40] saying is that the the the stories
[37:43] followed the kind the polling or the the
[37:46] the tone of the campaign.
[37:48] >> Well, what we clearly see in the
[37:49] overarching coverage of the campaign and
[37:51] Barack Obama in the period we looked at,
[37:53] his coverage was a little more positive
[37:54] than negative. John McCain's was
[37:56] considerably more negative than positive
[37:58] is we see sort of the interconnectedness
[38:01] between the coverage of the campaign
[38:02] itself and the strategic dynamic of the
[38:04] campaign. And what would the simple
[38:06] message of our report is that winning
[38:09] begets winning coverage. If a candidate
[38:11] is perceived to be and is seen as be as
[38:14] doing well in polls, uh if the strategic
[38:16] dynamic of the campaign is favoring him,
[38:18] then he tends to get better coverage and
[38:21] that happened. Cali Crossley, what what
[38:23] do you make of that in terms of what uh
[38:25] what uh drives the coverage?
[38:28] >> Um I think Mark is exactly right. Um one
[38:31] thing to to to really underscore here is
[38:33] that political scientists have said for
[38:35] years that people really start to pay
[38:37] attention right after Labor Day. So this
[38:40] is a critical time period for us to look
[38:42] at media coverage because I think it has
[38:44] more of an impact on people who are just
[38:46] really beginning to pay attention to
[38:48] what the issues are and concerns. So, I
[38:50] think that when you have a story like
[38:51] the Sarah Palin one in the wardrobe, it
[38:54] becomes important because this is how
[38:56] she described herself. This is her
[38:58] story. And so, if it appears to be going
[39:00] against her, she said she was a Walmart
[39:03] mom and now there's $150,000 being spent
[39:06] on a wardrobe for her, then that's
[39:07] definitely a negative. And I think
[39:09] people are definitely paying attention.
[39:11] So, I would agree that um the
[39:13] negativity, if if at all, it seems to be
[39:16] even worse if if that's possible. It's
[39:19] grown exponentially and it also grows
[39:21] because we know there's an echo chamber
[39:23] out there with regard to how media is
[39:25] covered. Mark has mentioned that and so
[39:27] on the web and that these days how
[39:30] people get information is quite viral.
[39:32] So this stuff goes around and around 10
[39:34] times more than it might have been if
[39:35] just people were checking in with
[39:37] traditional media. So this is a very
[39:39] important survey I think. Now, Robin,
[39:41] Karen, you've been on the road,
[39:42] including with uh McCain and Palin, and
[39:45] and at times in this campaign, they and
[39:48] their audiences have been very critical
[39:50] of the media for the coverage. So, what
[39:52] do you make of this study?
[39:54] >> Well, I I take issue a little bit with
[39:57] the idea that negative or positive
[39:59] coverage can result in uh affecting the
[40:03] outcome of the campaign. I mean, we
[40:05] don't really know whether that's the
[40:06] case yet. When it comes to Sarah Palin's
[40:09] wardrobe, I think that two very
[40:10] legitimate issues were raised. One that
[40:13] Calie alluded to, which was here's
[40:15] somebody who is portraying herself as a
[40:17] hockey mom wearing the very finest
[40:20] high-end American and ital and European
[40:22] fashions, and what does that say about
[40:24] her consistency? It also raised
[40:27] questions about the FEC regulations and
[40:30] whether uh it was a legitimate outlay
[40:33] for the Republican National Committee to
[40:36] spend $150,000
[40:38] on personal items for the candidate.
[40:41] >> Robin, you know, there's always talk
[40:43] about covering the issues versus
[40:45] covering the horse race versus something
[40:47] we call, I guess, uh temperament or or
[40:51] judgment. Those are more subjective
[40:53] things. How do you think about that when
[40:55] you're covering uh covering the
[40:57] campaign?
[40:58] >> Well, what I think is that policy is
[41:00] very very important. The candidate
[41:03] stances on the issues equally important,
[41:05] but I also think that American voters
[41:07] make their decisions based on all kinds
[41:10] of intangibles. How they feel about the
[41:12] candidates, whether they think the
[41:14] candidates are trustworthy, how they
[41:16] look. So, I think there's many levels
[41:18] that American voters are judging the
[41:20] candidates on. And so stories that are
[41:23] not strictly policy I think are totally
[41:25] legitimate.
[41:26] >> Mark, what I mean maybe the biggest
[41:28] question here is what your study tells
[41:30] us about perceived or actual bias in the
[41:32] coverage.
[41:33] >> Well, everybody of course has asked that
[41:34] question. And the one thing that's
[41:35] important to say is although terms like
[41:36] negative and positive coverage seem
[41:38] loaded. We're not saying that's the same
[41:40] thing as unfair coverage. We're not we
[41:42] we're not suggesting that all coverage
[41:44] should be neutral. Uh those are two
[41:46] completely different things. We've been
[41:48] asked a lot about is there bias
[41:50] throughout this campaign. There have
[41:51] been allegations of bias. There were
[41:53] allegations, frankly, from the Clinton
[41:54] campaign in the primary season that the
[41:56] media were favoring Barack Obama. The
[41:59] truth is complex and nuanced. And what
[42:01] we really do say in the in the study is
[42:03] the data don't give us a conclusive
[42:05] answer to that. Uh what the data do
[42:07] suggest, and to use the word bias
[42:09] loosely, is that the bias here does tend
[42:12] toward the sort of winning strategic
[42:14] narrative. And what we actually saw in
[42:17] the arc of John McCain's coverage was
[42:19] when our study began right after the the
[42:22] convention, he was having he was doing
[42:24] well uh strategically the pale he had
[42:26] gotten a bounce in the polls. He was
[42:28] ahead. Sarah Palin had energized the
[42:30] base that week. He got positive more
[42:32] positive than negative coverage. Obama's
[42:34] coverage was more negative than
[42:36] positive. Once the economic crisis hit
[42:38] and and set off sort of a a link of
[42:40] reactions and act some actions by
[42:42] McCain, some actions by Obama, changes
[42:45] in the poll, that's when the tone of the
[42:48] coverage began to change for for uh John
[42:50] McCain.
[42:51] >> Kelly Crossley, you you raised this um
[42:54] the echo chamber and the just the sheer
[42:56] volume out there, the the internet
[42:58] obviously, doesn't that allow anyone to
[43:02] find almost anything in terms of
[43:05] coverage? uh more speeches are
[43:08] available, more factchecking is
[43:10] available. Uh certainly more opinion is
[43:13] available. How does that change your
[43:15] thinking about how the media, whatever
[43:17] that means nowadays, covers the
[43:19] campaign?
[43:20] >> Well, absolutely. It allows people who
[43:22] want to do that to go find information.
[43:24] There are some excellent sites to do
[43:26] that. But I think when people use the
[43:28] web as they've been using it in this
[43:29] election and it's been shown over and
[43:31] over, they tend to go to sites which
[43:33] reflect what they already believe. So at
[43:35] this point uh in the campaign coverage,
[43:37] people are looking for something that
[43:39] supports where they are. For those
[43:41] people who are, as I say, soft voters, I
[43:44] think the prepundonderance of the
[43:46] coverage and that tone may in fact
[43:48] influence them. So back to Mark's point
[43:51] about success be getting success. If
[43:53] there are more and more stories about
[43:54] Obama seems to be winning, it's all over
[43:56] blah blah blah. I think that may have
[43:59] some impact on people. We won't know
[44:00] until November the 4th, of course, but
[44:03] it's it's heavy. Um, and there's been so
[44:06] much horse race coverage out here, and I
[44:08] think it's driven by the polls, and the
[44:10] polls then are interpreted to be
[44:11] negative or positive, and it just gets
[44:14] it's you feel assaulted, I think, if
[44:16] you're a consumer of news. And Robin,
[44:18] one last issue that this raises is a is
[44:20] a concern recently, even in the last few
[44:22] days about whether some in the media
[44:26] have have essentially are starting to
[44:28] treat this race like it's over.
[44:31] >> Yeah, I mean I I do think that's a
[44:32] legitimate concern and I have I have
[44:34] worried about that myself. The problem
[44:37] is every news organization, every
[44:39] website has its own take on the
[44:41] election.
[44:42] Each individual take though can add up
[44:45] to a torrent and then a deluge of
[44:47] opinion and I think that can have uh an
[44:50] an effect on how voters will pull the
[44:52] lever once they get into the booth. But
[44:54] I do think we are doing our jobs and if
[44:57] the tone of the campaign either goes
[44:59] negative or the polls start to reflect
[45:01] that McCain is struggling, we would be
[45:03] remiss as journalists if we didn't
[45:05] reflect that in our coverage.
[45:07] >> All right. I know there's a lot more in
[45:08] your study if people want to go to it.
[45:10] Is the website you want to give that?
[45:11] ww.journalism.org.
[45:13] A good one.
[45:14] >> Okay. Mark Jerkowitz, Cali Crossley, and
[45:16] Robin Abcarian. Thank you all very much.
[45:19] >> Thank you.
[45:28] >> And finally tonight, Blueprint America,
[45:30] our series on infrastructure produced in
[45:33] collaboration with W&E New York. We've
[45:36] examined roads and bridges, ports, and
[45:39] urban sprawl. Tonight, Ray Suarez from
[45:42] Chicago examines the problems of the
[45:44] nation's airports.
[45:46] >> Tango tango.
[45:48] >> From their 260 foot high perch,
[45:51] controllers in the tower at Chicago's
[45:53] O'Hare airport preside over a complex
[45:56] ballet of planes landing, taxiing, and
[45:59] taking off.
[46:00] >> American 1898, contact ground. It's the
[46:03] second busiest airport in the world. And
[46:06] as any frequent flyer knows, delays at
[46:08] this vital hub can cause travel misery
[46:11] throughout the system. One bad storm
[46:14] anywhere near Chicago, and much of the
[46:16] nation's air travel can come to a
[46:18] standstill.
[46:19] >> Brian Zalonus is an air traffic
[46:21] controller and union official. He says
[46:23] the airport is operating at the margins
[46:26] of what it can handle
[46:28] >> right now. to to meet airline capacity.
[46:30] Just in terms of scheduling, everything
[46:32] has to be perfect. We have to have a day
[46:33] like this.
[46:35] >> The strains show up in official
[46:37] performance rankings of the nation's
[46:39] major airports. O'Hare comes out at or
[46:42] near the bottom of the chart based on
[46:44] the punctuality of arrivals and
[46:46] departures over the first 7 months of
[46:49] this year.
[46:51] But work is underway on a multi-billion
[46:53] dollar plan to reduce those delays and
[46:56] boost capacity at the airport which is
[46:58] owned and operated by the city of
[47:00] Chicago. City ownership means the mayor
[47:03] controls a crucial node in the nation's
[47:06] aviation network. So we're basically
[47:08] going back to a simple formula. East
[47:11] west runways, not crossing. So we always
[47:15] all time landing taking off landing
[47:17] taking off 24 hours 7 days a week. even
[47:20] in bad weather, unless it's it's so
[47:22] dangerous no one could land.
[47:26] >> This new runway, due to open soon after
[47:29] decades of conflict with suburban cities
[47:31] and towns, is just one part of the
[47:33] city's 20-year master plan for the
[47:36] airport, known as the O'Hare
[47:37] modernization program,
[47:39] >> has been instructed to call New Tower.
[47:41] >> It's the kind of project the agency
[47:43] charged with the safety of civil
[47:45] aviation supports. At the same time, the
[47:48] top official at the Federal Aviation
[47:50] Administration conceds his power to get
[47:53] them built is limited.
[47:56] >> With respect to building runways, it's
[47:58] just a bully pulpit for me. I can point
[48:00] out where we have the problems, where we
[48:02] have the challenges, put pressure on the
[48:05] local leadership, but it really at the
[48:07] end of the day, it takes the local
[48:09] leadership to build, you know, for the
[48:12] future.
[48:13] >> That future is expected to get
[48:15] progressively busier. The system handled
[48:18] 769 million passengers last year. The
[48:21] FAA expects that number to grow to a
[48:24] billion by 2016 and keep climbing,
[48:27] doubling by 2025.
[48:30] More crowded airports, airplanes, and
[48:32] skies. Hardly an appealing prospect for
[48:35] passengers already facing long lines,
[48:38] delays, cancellations, and lost luggage.
[48:42] Sheay Odet and her husband from Lake
[48:44] Zurich, Illinois, are trying to track
[48:46] down their daughter's missing car seat
[48:48] after arriving at O'Hare. Air travel,
[48:51] they say, is becoming harder.
[48:53] >> I think our biggest issue was charging
[48:56] for baggage now. So, um, now we're
[48:59] packing lighter, we have to carry it on,
[49:01] and it was more difficult to find
[49:02] overhead space and having children, it's
[49:05] difficult, too. The FAA's plan to cut
[49:07] delays hinges on the next generation air
[49:10] transportation system or nextG. FAA
[49:13] officials say there's no way the current
[49:15] air traffic control system could cope
[49:17] with aviation's expected growth given
[49:20] its reliance on decades old groundbased
[49:23] radar technology. Central to the new
[49:26] multi-billion dollar concept is a move
[49:28] toward global positioning using
[49:30] satellites, GPS for short. GPS gives us
[49:34] more precision, more accuracy. It's
[49:37] going to allow us to move traffic more
[49:38] efficiently and safer.
[49:43] In addition to a reduced risk of
[49:45] accidents, other advantages cited
[49:47] include cuts in noise, pollution, and
[49:49] fuel consumption. At its core, NextG
[49:52] would provide a much more accurate
[49:54] realtime picture of an aircraft's
[49:56] location, allowing planes to fly closer
[49:59] to one another and yet remain in safety.
[50:02] The Air Traffic Controllers Union
[50:04] complains that NextG does not address
[50:06] what it calls a current crisis in
[50:08] staffing levels as a wave of veteran
[50:11] personnel retires to be replaced by
[50:13] controllers with less experience. Union
[50:16] officials also argue that better
[50:18] management of planes in the air is only
[50:20] one piece of the puzzle.
[50:21] >> First and foremost, we need more
[50:23] runways. We need places to put aircraft.
[50:25] And no matter what equipment and
[50:26] technology you bring us, if there's no
[50:28] place to put the airplane, there's
[50:30] really no piece of equipment that's
[50:31] going to change that landscape.
[50:33] >> FAA Eastern.
[50:34] >> For its part, the FAA is pushing for
[50:37] better ground infrastructure while
[50:39] warning some parts of the country are
[50:40] headed for trouble.
[50:42] >> As we look, you know, five, six, seven
[50:44] years from now, Southern California and
[50:47] San Francisco's Bay Area, we don't see a
[50:49] solution coming down the road for those
[50:51] that's going to meet the projected
[50:53] capacity growth. You can't wait until
[50:55] you've got a problem to solve the
[50:57] problem. You've got to look out into the
[50:59] future and get these things online. They
[51:01] can take anywhere from, you know, 5 to
[51:03] 10 years to build a runway.
[51:05] >> It can take that long because of places
[51:07] like Bensonville, a small town right at
[51:10] the edge of O'Hare.
[51:12] This neighborhood, now largely
[51:14] abandoned, is the focus of a bitter
[51:16] six-year legal battle over the airport's
[51:19] future. It's a reminder of the price
[51:21] communities are asked to pay to benefit
[51:23] others. In a highly controversial move,
[51:26] the city of Chicago took legal action to
[51:28] condemn hundreds of homes in this
[51:30] neighboring jurisdiction to make way for
[51:33] airport expansion. Most residents sold
[51:36] their homes and moved on, but a few
[51:38] holdouts are hoping for an 11th hour
[51:40] legal reprieve to save the places
[51:42] they've invested in. It's like walking
[51:44] on eggshells, so to speak, because you
[51:46] don't want to really put too much more
[51:49] in because you don't know, you know, are
[51:51] they just going to say, "Well, get out
[51:52] or, you know, who knows?" I'm hoping
[51:55] that because I say this is America. I
[51:58] believe it's America and, you know, I
[52:00] don't think they can just come and take
[52:03] your home.
[52:05] >> It's the latest round in a decadesl long
[52:07] struggle between Bensonville and its
[52:09] giant neighbor Chicago. Critics of the
[52:12] expansion argue the city's plans will
[52:14] never find full funding and wouldn't
[52:16] have the beneficial impacts its
[52:18] proponents claim. Prominent opponent
[52:21] John Guiles sees the real solution to
[52:23] congestion as the modernization of
[52:25] O'Hare and the development of a third
[52:27] regional airport. There's no need to
[52:29] devastate a community with a
[52:31] high-handedness of the city of Chicago
[52:33] to make an airport plan uh a reality
[52:36] that's not going to meet the the need of
[52:38] reducing delays and increasing capacity
[52:40] for the region.
[52:42] Raising the temperature of the debate
[52:44] still further is the fate of St.
[52:46] Johannes, a church cemetery now
[52:49] surrounded by O'Hare. Consecrated in the
[52:52] mid 19th century, the graveyard is
[52:54] slated for forced relocation to make way
[52:57] for airport expansion. And this
[52:59] controversy too is the subject of a
[53:01] lengthy fight in the courts. As a big
[53:04] city mayor responsible for the airport's
[53:06] future, Richard Daly calls for a
[53:09] longerterm vision and a simplified
[53:11] process when it comes to upgrading the
[53:13] nation's major infrastructure
[53:15] >> by federal laws. federal laws, rules,
[53:18] regulations, court decisions, and
[53:21] private uh uh lawsuits. It's very
[53:24] complicated and I think we have to have
[53:26] a rethinking of the complications that
[53:29] we have in infrastructure in America.
[53:31] >> Complications which in the case of
[53:33] O'Hare have national implications and
[53:36] for as long as they remain unresolved,
[53:38] passengers across the country can expect
[53:40] more travel uncertainty at the nation's
[53:43] airports and in its skies.
[53:46] Tomorrow night, we conclude our series
[53:48] with a look at Boston's Big Dig and a
[53:51] discussion about big government
[53:53] infrastructure programs.
[54:02] And again, the major developments of
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[54:11] former head of the Federal Reserve, Alan
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