Face the Nation (CBS) - 2009-03-08

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[0:01] Today on Face the Nation, is the

[0:03] president doing enough to help the

[0:04] faltering economy or should he do more?

[0:07] And the big question now, will Democrats

[0:10] go along?

[0:12] >> It seems as if every time the Obama

[0:14] administration announces a specific

[0:16] effort to help the economy, Wall Street

[0:19] tanks. Why is that? And is a second

[0:22] stimulus package in the works? We'll ask

[0:25] Peter Orzag, the White House budget

[0:28] director, and if Republicans don't like

[0:30] what the president is doing, what is

[0:32] their plan? We'll ask the head of the

[0:35] House Republicans, John Boehner. We'll

[0:38] talk about the Limbaugh Flap and the

[0:40] rest of the week's news with Michael

[0:42] Fletcher, who covers the White House for

[0:44] the Washington Post, and syndicated

[0:46] columnist Kathleen Parker. Then, I'll

[0:49] have a final word on mixed messages. But

[0:53] first, the economy on Face the Nation.

[1:04] Face the Nation with CBS News Chief

[1:07] Washington correspondent Bob Schiffer.

[1:09] And now from CBS News in Washington, Bob

[1:13] Schaefer.

[1:14] >> And good morning again. The White House

[1:16] budget director, Peter Orzag, is with us

[1:18] here in the studio from Cincinnati,

[1:20] Ohio. Republican leader in the House,

[1:23] John Boehner. We're going to start this

[1:24] morning with Peter Orzag. Mr. um uh

[1:27] Orzag, there seems to be opposition

[1:30] building now, uh not from Republicans.

[1:32] They've been against it from the get-go,

[1:34] but from Democrats to the president's

[1:37] plan to fund the expansion of health

[1:39] care by reducing the deduction that

[1:42] upper income taxpayers get when they

[1:46] give uh to charities. Uh the Treasury

[1:50] Secretary said the other day, "The

[1:51] administration understands there are

[1:53] other ways to fund health care. Does

[1:56] that mean that uh the president is

[1:58] rethinking this plan to reduce those

[2:00] deductions on upper income taxpayers?"

[2:02] >> Well, I think as people start to look at

[2:04] that proposal in more detail and compare

[2:06] it to the alternatives, they're going to

[2:08] come around to uh come around to our our

[2:11] our proposal. But let's step back and

[2:13] remember, we want to get healthcare

[2:15] reform done this year. Health care costs

[2:18] are burdening workers, state

[2:20] governments, and the federal government.

[2:21] We just held a health forum in which

[2:22] there was broad bipartisan support for

[2:24] getting health reform done this year. In

[2:27] addition, we have significant savings

[2:29] within Medicare and Medicaid that we

[2:31] have put on the table. For example, $177

[2:34] billion in reducing subsidies to private

[2:37] insurance companies that cover

[2:39] beneficiaries under Medicare and do it

[2:41] inefficiently. I think there's a lot of

[2:42] momentum behind healthcare. We're going

[2:44] to get it done this year. But I want to

[2:46] go back to my question. Is the president

[2:48] going to reconsider this idea of

[2:51] reducing those deductions as part of the

[2:53] plan to fund health?

[2:54] >> We put a proposal on the table. We think

[2:56] it's a good proposal. Inevitably, as the

[2:58] legislative process moves forward, other

[2:59] people will put proposals on the table.

[3:01] Let's let that play out.

[3:02] >> So, right now, uh would you say that the

[3:05] president is open to other ways to do

[3:07] this if he could find it? I'm going to

[3:09] again say we think this is the best way

[3:11] of proceeding, but of course other

[3:13] people have uh ideas and they should put

[3:15] them on the table.

[3:16] >> Congress uh has already approved an

[3:18] enormous stimulus package, but when the

[3:20] unemployment figures came out last week

[3:22] said unemployment is now at 8.1 million

[3:26] people. Some people began to say we may

[3:28] need yet another stimulus package that

[3:31] this one may not be enough. Uh are you

[3:34] thinking of another stimulus package? Do

[3:37] you think it'll be necessary?

[3:38] >> Well, look, we just within the first

[3:40] month in office, we got the recovery act

[3:42] in law, enacted. We should give it some

[3:44] time to work. You you are starting to

[3:45] see the money um flow out to state

[3:47] governments, to unemployed workers. Uh

[3:50] it in tax relief. Let's give it some

[3:52] time to work. We we face a very deep

[3:54] economic hole. It's going to take some

[3:56] time to work our way out of it. Let's

[3:58] give the recovery act uh its

[4:00] >> How much time do you think you'd need,

[4:02] Mr. Horse? I mean, have you begun to see

[4:04] any impact yet or when would we begin?

[4:06] >> Well, again, the money just started to

[4:08] flow. So, you know, it will take weeks

[4:11] and months for it to start to uh to have

[4:13] an impact and we are facing a very deep

[4:16] and severe economic contraction.

[4:18] >> You know, every time uh the president

[4:21] proposes some sort of a rescue plan, uh

[4:24] it seems as if the stock market tanks.

[4:27] It goes down. went down again this week

[4:30] uh when he started talking about uh you

[4:33] know this mortgage bailout plan. Why do

[4:36] you think that is?

[4:37] >> Well, I think fundamentally the economy

[4:39] is weak. This jobs job losses began in

[4:42] January 2008. The stock market started

[4:45] declining in October 2007. This has

[4:48] been, you know, eight years in the

[4:49] making. And again, it's going to take

[4:50] some time to work our way out of it.

[4:52] >> What uh brokers don't seem to have much

[4:54] confidence in what what the president is

[4:56] doing. Why is that?

[4:57] >> Well, I don't know that I I I guess I

[4:59] I'm not sure I agree. I think again,

[5:01] we're focused on getting the economy

[5:02] back on its feet, addressing our

[5:05] long-term deficits, and by the way,

[5:07] investing in what corporate leaders and

[5:09] others have long said is the key to our

[5:11] economic future, a better education

[5:13] system, clean energy, and a more

[5:15] efficient health care system.

[5:17] >> Uh the president said last week that we

[5:19] shouldn't worry too much about the

[5:20] losses in the stock market. Um he said

[5:23] it was kind of like watching political

[5:25] polls. But listen to this.

[5:28] >> You know, the stock market is sort of

[5:30] like a tracking pole in politics. You

[5:33] know, it bobs up and down dayto day. Uh

[5:36] and if you spend all your time worrying

[5:37] about that, then you're probably going

[5:39] to get the long-term strategy wrong.

[5:42] >> So, what about that? Is this a good time

[5:44] to for people to go invest in the stock

[5:46] market? No. Brokers seem to be telling

[5:48] people to do that. Well, I'm not going

[5:49] to give uh stock market advice, but

[5:52] again, if if we look at the underlying

[5:54] resilience of the economy and focus on

[5:56] getting the economy both back on its

[5:58] feet in the short run and then investing

[6:00] in the things that lead to economic

[6:02] performance, education, a better

[6:04] healthare system, we will be doing our

[6:06] job.

[6:07] >> Lindsey Graham said this morning on Meet

[6:09] the Press that the press that the

[6:11] president's budget is scary. He called

[6:13] it a reckless exercise. It is scaring

[6:16] people. Uh, is your budget scary?

[6:19] >> Well, as Ronald Reagan once put it,

[6:20] there they go again. We've had eight

[6:22] years of uh, one approach. Didn't work.

[6:25] We're offering a new approach. Let's

[6:27] look at what the Republicans are putting

[6:28] on the table. The senior Republican on

[6:30] the House Budget Committee has put

[6:32] forward a plan that includes $3 trillion

[6:34] in tax cuts for the wealthy and

[6:36] corporations. A Medicare program when

[6:38] you turn 65, you'd be handed a check for

[6:41] 80% of the cost of healthcare inset and

[6:43] then you're on your own. and a social

[6:45] security plan in which your your social

[6:47] security funds would be invested in the

[6:49] stock market. I'm not making this stuff

[6:50] up. That is their alternative plan. I

[6:52] think they should come on the show,

[6:54] offer a detailed alternative to what

[6:56] we're talking about, and they'll let the

[6:58] American people evaluate the two ways

[7:00] forward.

[7:01] >> Well, they are on the show because John

[7:02] Boehner is going to is sitting right

[7:04] there uh and we're going to talk to him

[7:05] in just a minute. Uh the

[7:09] spending bill that is now before uh the

[7:12] Congress to keep the government running

[7:14] for the rest of this year includes $7.7

[7:17] billion in uh earmarks. The president

[7:20] said he's going to go ahead and sign

[7:22] that. He doesn't like it, but he's going

[7:23] to do it. Republicans have managed to

[7:25] block it. So you've had to have a

[7:27] continuing re resolution which keeps the

[7:30] government running but at last year's

[7:32] spending levels. Is that what's going to

[7:34] happen here? Will this uh this whole

[7:36] spending bill just go by the buy and

[7:38] we'll end up the year with continuing

[7:40] resolutions holding le spending to the

[7:42] levels of last year? I

[7:44] >> I don't think so. And again, these bills

[7:46] were supposed to be done last September.

[7:47] They are, you know, they are already

[7:50] negotiated. They include important

[7:52] things like $200 million to fight

[7:54] healthc care fraud. Uh important

[7:56] investments in PEL grants. They also

[7:58] contain a level of ear marks that even

[8:00] though it's down significantly from the

[8:02] peak, down 75% from the peak under the

[8:04] Republicans,

[8:06] still too high. But we're like a relief

[8:08] pitcher stepping into the ninth inning.

[8:10] And you know, we can't just redo the

[8:12] whole game. Next month, we're going to

[8:14] start the process on the fiscal year

[8:15] 2010 budget. That will be under our

[8:17] watch and the game's going to be a lot

[8:19] different.

[8:19] >> John Boehner, who's about to follow you

[8:22] here, says we need a spending freeze,

[8:24] good or bad? Well, I think look, we're

[8:27] talking about changing the course here.

[8:28] We need to unfortunately we have

[8:30] underinvested in education, in clean

[8:33] energy, and in healthcare. We need to

[8:35] make those key investments while also uh

[8:38] getting more efficiencies out of the

[8:39] rest of the government. That's exactly

[8:41] what this budget does. It reduces the

[8:43] basic operations of government to the

[8:45] lowest levels as a share of the economy.

[8:47] So, you're spending I just don't think

[8:49] that's a blunt approach. We need to be

[8:51] investing more in some areas and then uh

[8:54] obtaining more efficiencies in others.

[8:55] >> All right, Mr. Ros, thank you. And we're

[8:58] going to get the other side of it now

[8:59] from John Boehner. Well, what about

[9:00] that, John Boehner? Why do you think

[9:03] that it's a good idea to just simply

[9:05] freeze spending?

[9:06] >> Well, because I think if you look around

[9:08] the country, our economy is struggling.

[9:11] American families are tightening their

[9:12] belt, but they don't see government

[9:14] tightening its belt. And I think that we

[9:16] can get through this year and and lead

[9:18] by example and show the American people

[9:20] that government can go on a diet as

[9:22] well.

[9:22] >> Well, you just heard what Mr. Orzac

[9:24] said. He said the Republicans keep

[9:26] saying no, but they really hadn't come

[9:28] up with much of anything. What's your

[9:29] response to that,

[9:30] >> Bob? We had a plan to stimulate the

[9:32] economy that cost half as much as the

[9:34] president's proposal and would have

[9:36] created twice as many jobs. Uh, under

[9:38] our plan, we would have created 104,000

[9:41] additional jobs uh here in Ohio. And as

[9:44] we look at their budget, it's pretty

[9:46] clear that their budget spends too much,

[9:48] it taxes too much, and it borrows too

[9:51] much from our kids and grandkids. Uh

[9:53] it's time for government uh to go on

[9:56] this diet. It's time for government to

[9:58] tighten the belt uh and show the

[9:59] American people that we get it because I

[10:01] don't think most Americans uh today when

[10:04] they look at Washington, uh they look at

[10:07] what in the world's going on over there.

[10:09] Uh they want Washington to do the same

[10:11] thing they're doing. But don't you have

[10:12] to come up with something a little more

[10:14] specific? Uh don't Some people say,

[10:17] "Look, it would be a lot better if if

[10:19] you'd make a few compromises here and

[10:21] try to work with the president to to dig

[10:24] our way out of this hole that we all

[10:26] find ourselves in." And at the same

[10:28] time, they also point out that the

[10:29] president's popularity ratings keep

[10:31] going up while the Republican party's uh

[10:34] ratings keep going down.

[10:36] >> Hey, Bob, listen. Uh I want to work with

[10:39] the president on behalf of the American

[10:40] people. That's what they sent us to

[10:42] Washington to do. Uh, and while I like

[10:45] the president as much as the American

[10:46] people do, I think he's a great guy,

[10:48] there are serious differences in terms

[10:50] of the approach that he would like to

[10:52] take and the approach that I think many

[10:54] Republicans would like to take. Uh, this

[10:56] week we had the proposal on bailing out

[10:59] irresponsible homeowners. Uh, and what

[11:02] the president's plan does is ask the 90%

[11:04] of of mortgage holders who are

[11:07] struggling to make their payments and

[11:09] make them on time. He's asking those 90%

[11:12] to bail out the other eight or 10%

[11:15] who've acted irresponsibly.

[11:17] That's not what the American people

[11:19] want. And so when we have disagreements,

[11:22] I think it's our obligation to offer all

[11:25] alternatives. And I just believe that

[11:27] when it comes to housing, we ought to

[11:29] have the $15,000 tax credit that was in

[11:33] the stimulus bill uh for all who would

[11:35] buy a home. uh because at the end of the

[11:38] day that will help all homeowners in

[11:40] terms of increasing the value of their

[11:41] homes.

[11:42] >> There's no question that the uh White

[11:46] House uh is uh encouraging the idea that

[11:50] the person who really speaks for your

[11:52] party, the person who is the most

[11:54] influential amongst Republicans uh is

[11:57] Rush Limbaugh. What is your response to

[11:59] that, Mr. Boehner? Bob, this is a

[12:01] distraction that was created by the

[12:04] White House uh to divert people's

[12:06] attention uh from the spending binge

[12:08] they've been on over the last six weeks

[12:10] and it's really unfortunate uh because

[12:13] this distraction won't create one single

[12:16] new job in America and it won't help one

[12:19] struggling family in America. Uh and

[12:21] what we really need to do is work

[12:23] together in a responsible way to address

[12:25] the needs of our economy and the needs

[12:27] of American families and small

[12:29] businesses. Well, he certainly gets a

[12:30] lot of attention. Uh, do you think Rush

[12:32] Limbaugh uh is the leader of your party?

[12:35] >> There are a lot of people who want to

[12:36] speak on behalf of our party. Uh, and

[12:39] over the course of the next few years,

[12:40] we'll see a lot of people emerge,

[12:42] whether they be governors, members of

[12:43] Congress, uh, those who may be on the

[12:46] outside, uh, who want to take a more

[12:48] active role in our party. But at the end

[12:50] of the day, it's it's important for

[12:53] members of of Congress and governors to

[12:55] speak up in terms of how our principles

[12:58] uh will lead to policies and proposals

[13:01] uh that will help the American people. I

[13:03] said on the opening day when I gave

[13:04] Nancy Pelosi the gabble uh that we

[13:07] wouldn't just be the party of no uh we

[13:10] had to disagree. We would be the party

[13:12] of better solutions. uh and you'll see

[13:14] us continue to put forward better

[13:16] solutions uh to to the problems

[13:18] Americans face. When you look at what's

[13:20] happened on Wall Street the last six

[13:22] weeks, uh the reason the market

[13:24] continues to go down is because many

[13:27] people on Wall Street don't think the

[13:29] policies the president's proposing will

[13:31] work. At the end of the day, I think we

[13:33] needed to do a stimulus bill, but I've

[13:35] got concerns that all it will do is grow

[13:37] the size of government and put a lot of

[13:39] debt on our kids and really won't

[13:41] stimulate the economy. And I think Wall

[13:43] Street's saying the same thing.

[13:45] >> You know, u last week auditor said that

[13:49] uh General Motors survival was in

[13:52] substantial doubt. Now, you're from

[13:54] Ohio. There are a lot of auto workers

[13:56] that are already out of work there. Do

[13:58] you think General Motors could survive

[14:00] bankruptcy? Uh

[14:02] >> I think they could survive bankruptcy.

[14:04] uh hopefully they'll be able to come to

[14:06] an agreement with all of their

[14:07] stakeholders uh before they get to that

[14:09] point, you know, and the stakeholders

[14:11] are the stockholders, the bond holders,

[14:13] and the employees. And at the end of the

[14:16] day, all of them are going to have to

[14:18] come to an agreement uh to help this

[14:20] company survive. It's an important

[14:21] institution uh in our country. Uh it

[14:24] impacts hundreds of thousands of jobs.

[14:27] Uh but they have to do the serious work

[14:29] that they've avoided doing over the last

[14:30] 30 years if they're going to survive.

[14:32] they may be coming back to the

[14:35] government for even more money. Would

[14:37] you uh favor another uh infusion of

[14:41] federal money to General Motors?

[14:44] >> I don't think the government should put

[14:45] any more money there until General

[14:47] Motors shows that they can be a viable

[14:50] company for the long term and that

[14:52] there's a reasonable chance that any

[14:54] loans that the government would make uh

[14:57] would be paid back to the taxpayers.

[14:59] Anything short of that is just throwing

[15:01] good money after bed.

[15:02] >> All right, Mr. Boehner, I want to thank

[15:04] you for joining us this morning. And

[15:06] when we come back in just one minute,

[15:08] we'll have a little round table about

[15:10] all of this.

[15:21] And back now with syndicated columnist

[15:23] Kathleen Parker and Michael Fletcher,

[15:26] who covers the White House for the

[15:27] Washington Post. Well, we wound up that

[15:29] discussion with John Boehner talking

[15:31] about Rush Limbaugh, so let's continue

[15:33] the talk. Mr. Boehner didn't seem to

[15:36] want to touch that.

[15:37] >> Yeah, Republicans have learned to keep

[15:38] their mouth shut when it comes to Rush,

[15:40] you know, otherwise they might have to

[15:41] apologize to him. U but the interesting

[15:43] thing about this is the whole the whole

[15:45] idea that the White House would engage a

[15:48] talk radio host seems fairly unpreent. I

[15:51] mean, George W. Bush wouldn't even

[15:53] acknowledge other heads of state. Um,

[15:55] but here we are talking about a a radio

[15:58] host. Now, there is a uh my first

[16:00] impulse when I heard about it was, "Oh,

[16:01] well, there goes the fairness doctrine

[16:03] because we're having too much fun. Who

[16:04] would want to bring it back?" But

[16:06] there's a new little conspiracy theory

[16:08] floating out there that I'll just throw

[16:10] on the table. And that is that the White

[16:12] House is very strategically doing this

[16:14] because then once you designate Rush

[16:16] Limbbo as the head of the Republican

[16:18] party, then you can say, "Hey, wait a

[16:20] minute. the head of the Republican party

[16:22] is on the radio every day speaking to 20

[16:24] million people more than even the

[16:25] president reaches. Therefore, we need

[16:27] the fairness doctrine. So, we'll see.

[16:29] >> The fairness doctrine, of course, is the

[16:31] law that we used to have that said if

[16:33] you put on uh one side, you have to put

[16:36] on the other, right?

[16:37] >> Now, people would argue, of course,

[16:38] broadcasters argue there are so many

[16:40] places to express opinion on all sides

[16:44] that that you don't need that.

[16:45] >> Well, and the president has said he has

[16:46] the president has said I he has no

[16:48] interest in that. But but Democrats do

[16:49] want to get the fairness doctrine back

[16:51] in place and Republicans do feel that

[16:53] and that they think now this is a new

[16:56] theory so I won't go too far with it but

[16:58] there is some chatter that that this is

[17:00] actually a deliberate attempt to sort of

[17:01] create this uh this dynamic that now has

[17:04] to be addressed.

[17:05] >> One thing about it the White House is

[17:07] not reluctant Mr. Boehner may be

[17:09] reluctant to talk about Rush Limbbo but

[17:11] the White House is not we saw all last

[17:13] week. I think they found that Michael

[17:15] Moore I mean on the other side I mean

[17:16] Rush Limbaugh is kind of this polarizing

[17:19] figure and I think the White House wants

[17:21] to put him out there as kind of the face

[17:22] of the Republican party because of that

[17:24] even though he's very popular with the

[17:25] base the Republican parties I think

[17:28] people now 28% of Americans selfidentify

[17:30] as Republican. So their growth is going

[17:32] to come with independence or you know

[17:34] bringing back the Reagan Democrats and

[17:36] as long as um Rush Limbar is the face of

[17:38] the Republican party in the White

[17:40] House's um view they won't be able to do

[17:42] that. Michael, how do people at the

[17:44] White House feel about this idea that

[17:46] suddenly uh the opposition to the

[17:49] president's budget, a lot of it is

[17:50] coming from very influential Democrats

[17:52] like Mike uh uh like Max Balkas, the

[17:55] chairman of the Senate Finance

[17:56] Committee, who says he doesn't see why

[17:59] you should uh reduce that deduction that

[18:02] upper income people can take on

[18:03] charitable contributions to finance

[18:06] health care. He says he doesn't see any

[18:08] any connection between the two. Is that

[18:10] gonna I is the White House going to back

[18:12] off on that? Do you think

[18:13] >> they may? I mean, this is a big problem

[18:15] for the White House going forward if

[18:17] they can't even keep their partisans on

[18:19] board on a proposal like that. And you

[18:21] think about some of the ambitious plans

[18:22] laid out in the budget. You get beyond

[18:24] that into this whole idea of taxing

[18:26] carbon emissions and a lot of people say

[18:27] that will raise people's energy bills

[18:29] and the White House acknowledges as much

[18:31] and they say, "Well, people will be

[18:32] returned the money through the tax

[18:34] code." It gets to be a very complicated

[18:35] argument. So if you can't keep people on

[18:37] board on something that you know the

[18:39] president had talked during the campaign

[18:40] about you know the wealthy having to

[18:41] kick in more but if you can't keep

[18:43] Democrats on board there it has to be a

[18:44] concern to them.

[18:45] >> Where do you think this is going

[18:46] Kathleen?

[18:47] >> Well you know I think look the the

[18:49] president has come out with a budget

[18:51] that's got everything in it. Clearly

[18:53] they expect to have to make some

[18:55] compromises along the way but even if

[18:57] you get a a percentage of huge you still

[19:01] wind up with big. And so these are the

[19:03] sorts of things that they may be willing

[19:05] I think just listening to Mr. doors,

[19:07] there's uh their intimations that these

[19:09] are the kind of things that well, we

[19:10] could we could talk about that, you

[19:12] know. So, I think what we're looking at

[19:15] right now is not what we're going to end

[19:16] up with. There's a lot of room for new

[19:19] ideas.

[19:20] >> What about the It's interesting to me in

[19:23] that the president is more popular than

[19:25] ever according to the latest polls and

[19:28] yet you're seeing some, you know,

[19:31] question about his policies and is this

[19:34] budget a good idea? I mean, uh, where do

[19:37] you think this is going to play out

[19:39] here?

[19:39] >> I mean, I think a lot of anxiety

[19:40] obviously, I mean, spins off of the

[19:42] economic anxiety people feel. I mean,

[19:44] they see the president doing all of

[19:46] these things even before he was in

[19:47] office. They saw the Bush administration

[19:48] shoveling all of this money into the

[19:50] financial system. And many people say

[19:52] that tarp, the first half of the, you

[19:54] know, bailout basically prevented an

[19:56] implosion. But people have not seen

[19:58] improvement. So I think as long as that

[20:00] overlays there, as long as you have the

[20:01] kind of numbers we saw last week where

[20:03] unemployment continues to skyrocket,

[20:05] consumer spending continues to tank, I

[20:07] think you'll see this kind of air of

[20:09] anxiety. I mean, I think people are

[20:10] hopeful that this stuff will work, but

[20:12] there's no evidence yet that that it is

[20:14] working, I think. And people are worried

[20:15] about that.

[20:16] >> Well, they're worried, but polls also

[20:17] show that that the people are much more

[20:20] patient and and with this is huge and

[20:23] they understand it's complicated and and

[20:25] President Obama's been in place what,

[20:27] six weeks. And so while we in Washington

[20:30] are are ready to sort of measure

[20:32] everything on a daily basis, uh I think

[20:34] if you go out into the uh out into the

[20:37] Hustings, you find that people are much

[20:39] uh less likely to demand answers

[20:41] immediately. Even President Obama said,

[20:43] "Look,

[20:44] the economy is not a speedboat. It's an

[20:47] oceanliner. You know, what we're trying

[20:49] to do is change the direction and

[20:51] whatever changes we have will be

[20:52] gradual. It'll be later down the road

[20:54] that we are in a different place. Of

[20:56] course, we're trying to not free

[20:58] associate to the Titanic, but

[21:00] >> there you are.

[21:01] >> Well, I want to thank all of you, but I

[21:03] I I tell you, I'm reminded of what

[21:04] Russell Long, the former chairman of the

[21:07] Senate Finance Committee, once said that

[21:08] nobody likes taxes. He used to say

[21:11] people would tell him, "Don't tax him.

[21:13] Don't tax me. Tax that fellow behind the

[21:16] tree." And that is more true as every

[21:19] passing day passes. We'll be back.

[21:22] Thanks to both of you. Back in a moment

[21:23] with a final thought.

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[21:43] Finally, today there are more important

[21:46] things to worry about. But may we have

[21:48] just a moment of sympathy for the poor

[21:50] State Department employee who came up

[21:53] with the idea of the gag gift that

[21:55] Secretary of State Clinton presented to

[21:58] Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov in

[22:00] Moscow. It was to be a play on Vice

[22:03] President Biden's remark that it was

[22:05] time to press the reset button on

[22:08] Russian-American relations. So Mrs.

[22:11] Clinton presented the foreign minister

[22:12] with a little box with a button on it

[22:15] and a sign that said reset in Russian.

[22:18] Or at least that's what the Americans

[22:20] thought it said. I hope we got the right

[22:22] word, Mrs. Clinton beamed. No, you got

[22:26] it wrong, the minister replied. You got

[22:28] the word that means overcharged. Oops.

[22:32] Oh well, no real harm done. But I can't

[22:34] help wondering what happened to that

[22:37] hapless soul who caused the boss to lay

[22:39] an egg. If he or she was in mi in Mrs.

[22:42] Clinton's traveling party, it must have

[22:44] been a long plane ride home. If it is

[22:48] any consolation, I have seen a lot

[22:50] worse. I was standing on an airport

[22:52] runway in Warsaw when then President

[22:55] Jimmy Carter told a Polish crowd he was

[22:58] looking forward to getting to know them.

[23:00] Surprisingly, the crowd let out a

[23:03] horrified, "Oh, and no wonder when we

[23:06] found out why." Somehow, the president's

[23:09] own translator mangled his words, and in

[23:12] Polish, the message came out that Mr.

[23:15] Carter was eager to know the crowd in a

[23:18] biblical sense.

[23:21] These things happen. Back in a moment.

[23:33] And that's our broadcast. We'll be back

[23:35] here right at this very spot next Sunday

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