The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour (PBS) - 1992-08-12
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[0:00] dental coverage and responsive service.
[0:10] >> Good evening. I'm Robert McNeel in New
[0:12] York.
[0:13] >> And I'm Judy Woodruff in Washington.
[0:15] After our summary of the news this
[0:17] Wednesday, we turn to the North American
[0:19] Free Trade Agreement announced today by
[0:21] President Bush. His trade ambassador
[0:24] explains the details. Then two
[0:26] businessmen, an environmentalist, a
[0:28] union official, and two members of
[0:30] Congress debate its value and weigh its
[0:33] prospects. Finally, Ann Taylor Fleming
[0:36] has some thoughts about a budding
[0:38] American writer.
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[0:42] communicate better is keeping it well
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[1:02] >> PepsiCo
[1:04] and by the Corporation for Public
[1:06] Broadcasting
[1:07] and viewers like you. The US, Mexico,
[1:11] and Canada today struck a deal to create
[1:13] the world's largest trading block. The
[1:15] North American Free Trade Agreement will
[1:17] eliminate all tariffs and other barriers
[1:19] within 15 years. The resulting market
[1:22] would encompass 360 million potential
[1:25] consumers. President Bush announced the
[1:28] agreement at the White House this
[1:29] morning.
[1:30] >> This agreement will level the North
[1:32] American playing field, allowing
[1:34] American companies to increase sales
[1:36] from Alaska to the Yucatan.
[1:39] The agreement drew opposition from
[1:41] organized labor. AFL CIO Secretary
[1:44] Treasurer Thomas Donahghue called it a
[1:46] bad deal for American workers. He spoke
[1:48] at a Washington news conference. The
[1:51] agreement is not an agreement about free
[1:54] trade, nor is it about development in
[1:56] Mexico. It's about guaranteeing the
[1:59] ability of US investors to move their
[2:02] plants to Mexico to take advantage of
[2:05] cheap wages and poor working conditions.
[2:08] The agreement will have to be ratified
[2:09] by Congress, the Canadian Parliament,
[2:11] and the Mexican Senate. We'll have much
[2:14] more on the story right after the news
[2:15] summary. Judy,
[2:17] >> Governor Bill Clinton said today he
[2:19] would support a free trade pact with
[2:21] Mexico and Canada as long as it provided
[2:24] protection for workers, farmers, and the
[2:26] environment on both sides of the border.
[2:28] The statement by the Clinton campaign
[2:30] said that he would be reviewing the
[2:32] details of the agreement to see exactly
[2:34] what it provides for. It also said he
[2:37] would follow closely congressional
[2:38] hearings on the subject. Clinton and his
[2:41] running mate, Senator Al Gore, met with
[2:43] Israeli Prime Minister Yitsak Rabbine
[2:45] this afternoon in Washington. Afterward,
[2:48] Clinton said he was committed to
[2:49] maintaining a strong relationship with
[2:51] Israel.
[2:53] >> I support strongly the extension of loan
[2:56] guarantees to Israel as I have for many
[2:58] months and I am pleased that progress
[3:01] has been made on that front. And
[3:03] finally, uh, I convey to the prime
[3:05] minister my intense desire not to let,
[3:08] uh, the partisan difficulties of the
[3:10] election here in the United States in
[3:13] any way impede the peace process. I
[3:16] support it. I hope more progress will be
[3:17] made in the next few months, and I am
[3:20] fully committed to maintaining a strong
[3:23] continuity in that peace process after
[3:25] the election.
[3:27] >> There were more reports today that a job
[3:29] switch for Secretary of State Baker is
[3:31] imminent. The Associated Press quoted
[3:34] Republican party leaders as saying the
[3:36] announcement that Baker will move to
[3:38] take over the president's reelection
[3:40] campaign would be made Thursday or
[3:42] Friday. It was unclear whether Baker
[3:44] would resign his cabinet post or take a
[3:47] leave of absence. The Senate Ethics
[3:50] Committee today rebuked Oregon
[3:51] Republican Mark Hatfield for repeatedly
[3:54] failing to disclose gifts. The committee
[3:57] did not recommend tougher action such as
[3:59] censure because it said there was no
[4:02] credible evidence Hatfield intentionally
[4:04] violated Senate rules. In economic news,
[4:08] inflation at the wholesale level
[4:10] remained low last month. The labor
[4:12] department said today the producer price
[4:14] index rose.1%
[4:16] in July. Lower prices for fuel and
[4:19] computers kept the figure low. Today in
[4:22] Sarah, more than 300 women and children
[4:24] did what many in Bosnia want to do. They
[4:27] got out. Their evacuation was permitted
[4:29] by Serb forces besieging the city for
[4:32] more than 3 months. The consiliatory
[4:34] gesture came as the United Nations moved
[4:36] towards increasing pressure on the Serbs
[4:39] for their aggression in Bosnia.
[4:41] Tomorrow, the Security Council is
[4:42] expected to approve the use of force to
[4:44] protect relief operations and open
[4:47] detention camps in the former Yugoslav
[4:49] Republic. The Red Cross today said it
[4:51] had gained access to two camps where
[4:53] atrocities are alleged to have been
[4:55] committed. A US official accused the
[4:58] Serbs of moving many prisoners out of
[5:00] the camp to hide evidence of
[5:01] mistreatment from the Red Cross. We have
[5:04] two independent television news reports
[5:06] beginning with Paul Davies on the
[5:08] evacuation from Sievo.
[5:10] >> In the ruins of the city that was their
[5:12] home, the weakest victims of this war
[5:14] cue for an opportunity to leave.
[5:19] A roll call reveals the names of the
[5:21] fortunate few. There will only be room
[5:23] for 350 on the convoy. Husbands must
[5:26] stay behind. Here, a fighter whose
[5:28] family are leaving receives comfort from
[5:30] his youngest son.
[5:34] >> But for these children, the parting is
[5:36] particularly traumatic. They lost their
[5:39] parents in the fighting. Now they must
[5:41] say farewell to the friends they made in
[5:43] the orphanage. For more than three
[5:45] months, they've comforted each other in
[5:47] their shared grief. Now, they're heading
[5:49] in separate directions. Such goodbyes
[5:51] come hard. But for those who've lost
[5:54] everything, like 14-year-old Sners,
[5:56] there's simply nothing to stay for.
[5:59] >> My my apartment burned out. My mother
[6:02] died. And I don't know where is my
[6:05] father.
[6:06] >> After a 5-hour delay in the sweltering
[6:08] heat, the coaches finally arrive. Only
[6:11] now they're aroused between the
[6:12] organizers and those who feel their
[6:14] children should also be evacuated.
[6:16] Militia men intervene
[6:20] and only when order is restored at
[6:22] gunpoint can the hazardous journey
[6:24] begin. To reach safety, the children's
[6:27] convoy must pass under the barrels of
[6:29] countless snipers and negotiate their
[6:31] way through the barricades and
[6:33] checkpoints that surround this city.
[6:35] They have been promised safe passage,
[6:37] but even children here know that
[6:38] promises are frequently broken. UN
[6:41] troops are riding shotgun on the convoy.
[6:43] Two infants were killed during the last
[6:45] attempted evacuation. As they passed
[6:47] hundreds of well-wishes, through the
[6:49] checkpoints and out of the city, the
[6:51] children sang a song of celebration.
[6:57] >> On the road to Trinopol, one of the
[6:59] camps we visited last week, we found
[7:00] Muslim refugees fleeing their burning
[7:02] villages. Sabrina Reddic said her
[7:05] husband had been shot and her house
[7:06] torched by advancing Bosnian Serb
[7:09] troops.
[7:10] >> When did when did they burn your house?
[7:13] >> Her fear is in part terror of what lies
[7:16] ahead at Trinopoly. Will she and her
[7:18] children be safe at a Serbian run camp?
[7:20] The Red Cross were going to help you.
[7:21] They're going to tell you.
[7:24] >> She doesn't know.
[7:25] >> They will be there. They will be there.
[7:28] >> At Trenopoly, the International Red
[7:30] Cross had just arrived. This is the
[7:32] first time they've been allowed inside,
[7:34] and it's only the second camp they
[7:36] visited. For the moment, Sabrina and her
[7:38] children are safe. Patronopoly has
[7:40] changed. There's now some food getting
[7:42] through, although cues are long. There's
[7:44] also shelter and clothes provided by the
[7:46] Serbian authorities, and the barbwire
[7:49] fence that shocked the world has been
[7:50] torn down from its posts.
[7:53] Many are in these camps. Men like
[7:55] 26-year-old Seir Hukanovitz, held up by
[7:58] his elder brother. He was a television
[8:00] repair man before the Serbs took him.
[8:03] >> The International Red Cross yesterday
[8:05] gave out registration forms to the 2,000
[8:07] now in Chernoplier. A small start in one
[8:10] camp. There are hundreds of others they
[8:12] need to reach. And the men responsible
[8:14] for running this camp and the others
[8:15] admit mistakes were made.
[8:20] >> War is war. Some people they lose
[8:22] control and then they
[8:24] >> they they they beat some people and
[8:27] >> but our Serbian hosts who still control
[8:29] the limited access we have to the camps
[8:31] were anxious to stress that equivalent
[8:33] atrocities have been inflicted on their
[8:35] own side. This video they said showed
[8:37] some of the 6,000 Serb civilians killed
[8:39] by Muslims and they deny they're using
[8:41] terror to force Muslims from their
[8:43] villages. But there is evidence that
[8:45] they are. Kazaraj, for example, was once
[8:47] a village of 26,000. Now there's no one
[8:50] left.
[8:52] >> The United Nations secured agreement
[8:54] today with leaders in Somalia to deploy
[8:56] 500 armed guards in the East African
[8:59] nation. They will take control of the
[9:01] port of Moadishu and escort convoys
[9:04] distributing food to the city's starving
[9:06] people. Relief officials have called the
[9:08] country's humanitarian crisis the worst
[9:10] in the world. Hundreds of Somali die of
[9:13] hunger every day because of a drought
[9:16] and a savage civil war that hampers
[9:18] distribution of food. That's it for the
[9:21] news summary. Just ahead, the North
[9:23] American Free Trade Agreement and an
[9:25] Anne Taylor Fleming essay.
[9:41] Our principal focus tonight is the plan
[9:44] to create the world's largest and
[9:45] richest market. President Bush announced
[9:48] it today in Washington after more than a
[9:50] year of negotiations among the US,
[9:52] Canada, and Mexico. In the White House
[9:54] Rose Garden, the president stressed that
[9:56] trade equals jobs.
[9:58] >> Historic trade agreement will further
[10:00] open markets in Mexico, Canada, and the
[10:03] United States. And it'll create jobs and
[10:06] generate economic growth in all three
[10:08] countries. Increased trade with North
[10:11] America will help our nation prepare for
[10:14] the challenges and opportunities of the
[10:16] next century. The Cold War is over. The
[10:19] principal challenge now facing the
[10:21] United States is to compete in a rapidly
[10:25] changing, expanding global marketplace.
[10:28] Open markets in Mexico and Canada mean
[10:31] more American jobs. Our nation is the
[10:34] world's leading exporter, well ahead of
[10:37] Japan and Germany. And today over 7
[10:40] million Americans are hard at work
[10:42] making products that will be sold around
[10:45] the world. Export related jobs pay 17%
[10:49] more than the average US wage. These
[10:52] jobs are the kind that our nation needs
[10:54] to grow and prosper. The kind that
[10:57] showcase American talent and technology.
[11:01] The agreement called the North American
[11:03] Free Trade Accord would bring Mexico
[11:05] into the existing pact between the US
[11:08] and Canada. Over the next 15 years, the
[11:11] accord would remove almost all import
[11:13] duties and other restrictions to the
[11:15] movement of tens of thousands of goods
[11:17] across North American borders. If
[11:19] approved by the legislatures of all
[11:21] three countries, it would unite 360
[11:24] million consumers. Virtually every
[11:26] industry would be touched by free trade.
[11:29] automobiles, advertising, agriculture,
[11:32] banking, buses and trucks, computers,
[11:34] glassware, insurance, oil and gas,
[11:37] textiles, and telecommunications.
[11:40] Each country would be free to follow its
[11:42] own health, safety, and environmental
[11:44] regulations. Even if, for example, a US
[11:47] rule on meat inspection kept out Mexican
[11:50] beef. There would also be a special
[11:52] three-nation commission to resolve
[11:53] disputes and a plan to clean up the
[11:56] badly polluted US Mexican border. For
[11:58] more on the accord from the woman who
[12:00] negotiated it, we go to US Trade
[12:02] Representative Carla Hills. Miss Hills,
[12:04] thank you for joining us.
[12:06] >> Pleasure.
[12:07] >> Great stress is being put on this for
[12:09] obvious reasons on jobs. How does it
[12:12] create more good jobs in the United
[12:14] States? Can you give us some examples of
[12:17] how it would create jobs here?
[12:19] 70% of the growth to our economy at the
[12:22] present time comes from exports. And for
[12:25] every billion dollars worth of exports,
[12:27] we generate 20,000 jobs. So we must
[12:31] figure it out. Export opportunity. It
[12:33] really is our best job machine today.
[12:36] And Mexico is our fastest growing export
[12:39] opportunity. Mexicans today with all
[12:41] their trade restrictions by 35% more
[12:44] from us per capita than does the much
[12:46] more affluent European community on a
[12:49] per capita basis. What this trade
[12:51] agreement does is to bring down the
[12:53] barriers tariffs which where Mexico's
[12:56] tariffs are 20 250% higher than ours.
[13:00] They have licensing on 25% of our
[13:02] agricultural products that we we export
[13:05] to them. and they have performance
[13:08] requirements that keep out our
[13:09] automotive and transportation equipment,
[13:12] our auto parts uh equipment. And if we
[13:16] can dismantle these trade barriers, our
[13:18] exports will go up and our job creation
[13:21] will go up. And that's what this
[13:23] agreement is all about. What is this is
[13:25] a point that's often raised and I'm sure
[13:27] you're going to hear it again in a few
[13:28] minutes, but what is to stop companies
[13:30] moving their own manufacturing to Mexico
[13:34] where wages are so much lower? For
[13:36] instance, Smith Corona recently
[13:38] announced that it was going to move its
[13:39] last typewriter manufacturing plant in
[13:42] the US to Mexico.
[13:43] >> Some will move, but not because of the
[13:45] free trade agreement. Because our
[13:47] average tariff barrier to Mexico is
[13:49] lower than 4%.
[13:52] If they were going to move, they could
[13:53] have moved before the agreement. If they
[13:55] want to move, they may. And that again
[13:59] is better than to have them move to more
[14:01] distant shores because Mexico spends 70%
[14:04] of every trade dollar in this country.
[14:07] Indeed, a company that locates in Asia
[14:10] buys about 10% of its inputs from the
[14:12] United States where a company located in
[14:14] Mexico buys 300% more. So, it's it both
[14:19] sides help us. And we have companies
[14:21] across the United States who say that
[14:23] they have been kept alive in this heavy
[14:26] global competition by collaborative
[14:28] production with Mexico. That by a a
[14:30] small investment in Mexico, they
[14:33] actually secure their jobs here in the
[14:35] United States. GE is one. It says for
[14:38] every job at places in Mexico, it
[14:40] secures three jobs in the United States.
[14:43] And we now have access to a market of
[14:46] 360 million people with a$6 trillion
[14:49] dollar output that makes us globally
[14:51] more competitive.
[14:52] >> What particular sectors of the US
[14:54] economy do you think benefit from this?
[14:57] >> The uh studies the economic studies and
[15:00] there have been many show small
[15:01] incremental gains across a broad
[15:04] spectrum. Aerospace, pharmaceuticals,
[15:06] machinery of all kinds, chemicals,
[15:10] uh I can go on and on. Uh, suffice it to
[15:14] say, we make products, particularly
[15:17] capital equipment that Mexico needs.
[15:20] It's a net importer of food, and we're a
[15:22] wonderful producer of food. And, uh, we
[15:26] have an 8 billion surplus today with
[15:28] Mexico. On an annualized basis, we'll be
[15:31] selling them 44 billion worth of goods.
[15:34] It's a very good market for us. And that
[15:36] translates, as I mentioned, into jobs.
[15:39] You accept that there must be losers as
[15:41] well as winners in any in any deal like
[15:44] this. For which Americans is it a bad
[15:46] deal?
[15:48] >> Well, I wouldn't say it's a bad deal,
[15:50] but I would agree that there will be
[15:52] some dislocation. The reason I say it
[15:54] isn't a bad deal is if we have a
[15:57] business in the United States that is
[15:59] not globally competitive, it can die the
[16:01] death of a thousand slashes and
[16:04] literally be driven out of business.
[16:06] where it's is if it can have
[16:08] collaborative production with a lowerc
[16:10] cost partner that may make it survive
[16:14] and that's what Japan has made an art of
[16:16] and what Europe today wi is making an
[16:19] art of but there are some dislocations
[16:22] and I would say in in some agricultural
[16:25] products
[16:26] uh perhaps in the low end of the
[16:29] glassware market we have greater
[16:31] sensitivities that's been documented and
[16:34] that's why we have negotiated long
[16:36] transitions and uh a safeguard mechanism
[16:39] in case uh the uh entities are not able
[16:43] to uh uh adjust plus the fact of course
[16:46] the president has said that he wants to
[16:48] work with Congress and develop a good
[16:50] worker adjustment package and we're in
[16:53] the process of doing just that.
[16:55] >> Well, Miss Hill stay with us now as
[16:57] we're joined by four people with special
[16:59] interests in the trade agreement. Thomas
[17:01] Donahghue is the secretary treasurer of
[17:03] the AFL CIO, the Labor Federation of 88
[17:06] unions. He's also chairman of the Labor
[17:08] Advisory Committee, one of several
[17:10] committees set up to advise Ms. Hill's
[17:13] office on trade negotiations. John Kan
[17:16] is president of the Business and
[17:17] Industrial Council, a conservative
[17:19] business advocacy group with 1500
[17:22] members, mostly medium-siz manufacturing
[17:24] firms. He's also a founder of the
[17:26] American Trade Coalition, a broad-based
[17:29] group opposed to the free trade
[17:30] agreement. Carl Pope is the associate
[17:33] director of the Sierra Club, a national
[17:35] environmental group. He joins us from
[17:37] San Francisco. And Kay Whitmore is
[17:39] president and CEO of Eastman Kodak
[17:42] Company. He also chairs the US Mexico
[17:45] trade group of the business roundt whose
[17:47] members are executives of large
[17:49] corporations. He joins us tonight from
[17:51] Rochester. Starting with you, uh, Mr.
[17:54] Donna Hugh. Earlier in a clip we saw in
[17:56] our news summary, you called this a bad
[17:59] deal for American workers. Why do you
[18:01] think it is?
[18:02] >> Because we will lose somewhere between
[18:05] 500 and 600,000 US jobs in the uh
[18:09] remaining years of this decade. We will
[18:12] continue to see the outflow of US
[18:14] production to Mexico. Uh and we will
[18:17] lower American wages of the jobs that
[18:19] remain. we'll be uh suddenly competing
[18:22] with a low-wage neighbor to an even
[18:25] greater extent than we are now.
[18:27] >> Miss Hills, how do you reply to that?
[18:29] >> Uh actually, um Mr. Donahghue is an
[18:33] error here. The uh jobs that will be
[18:35] created in Mexico will be higher paying
[18:37] jobs. We're already competing with
[18:39] Mexico. Our average tariffs are 3%. Uh
[18:42] we are opening up a market, our fastest
[18:45] growing export market and uh we have
[18:48] 600,000 Americans who rely upon Mexico
[18:51] for their jobs in the United States and
[18:53] by 1995 that will be over a million and
[18:56] that's because they are employed by
[18:59] industry that is selling goods to
[19:00] Mexico.
[19:01] >> Mr. Donor Hugh, um do you accept that
[19:04] any jobs will be created as a result of
[19:06] this? If if our exports increase over
[19:10] the long term, those would be additional
[19:13] jobs. They'll be far less than the
[19:15] outflow of jobs. Uh the proposition that
[19:18] we are getting a marvelous deal here
[19:21] because we're opening up this wonderful
[19:23] market in Mexico is facious. Uh there
[19:26] are 90 million people in Mexico.
[19:28] Unfortunately, most of them are poor.
[19:30] This is not a great market. When we have
[19:32] this wonderful connection of 360 million
[19:35] people, we're adding about 80 million
[19:38] poor people to it. We could sell more
[19:40] product in the United States if we
[19:43] concentrated on those policies which
[19:45] would create US employment. We might
[19:47] begin to take the people out of poverty
[19:49] who live in poverty in the United States
[19:51] because we have 17 million people
[19:53] unemployed.
[19:54] >> Well, what do you see as the drive then
[19:56] or the reason for the drive for this
[19:58] trade agreement? purely political
[20:00] considerations of the president and of
[20:02] the Republican administration. Uh they
[20:04] want and and this administration and the
[20:06] president has said consistently the uh
[20:09] Selenus administration has changed the
[20:12] economic face of Mexico. That means they
[20:14] have privatized and moved into a more
[20:17] quote capitalistic system if you will.
[20:20] Um and we want to quote lock in those
[20:23] changes. We don't trust the Mexicans.
[20:25] They might go back on the deal. So we
[20:27] need to lock in those changes. is purely
[20:29] a political interest of this
[20:31] administration.
[20:32] >> Miss Hills, how do you reply to that?
[20:34] >> Well, of course, we want to lock in the
[20:36] economic uh reforms that President
[20:38] Selenus has put in place. We want Mexico
[20:41] to be outwardlooking and to accept our
[20:43] goods. He has turned around a country
[20:45] that was uh full of protectionisms. But
[20:48] to say that Mexico is too poor and buys
[20:51] nothing from us and it's not worth the
[20:53] effort of opening their market is
[20:55] disclaimed by the facts. Mexico is our
[20:58] fastest growing export opportunity. It
[21:00] buys 35% more from uh per capita from us
[21:03] than does the much more affluent uh
[21:06] European community and uh we find it a
[21:10] fabulous export opportunity that will
[21:13] translate directly into jobs. Uh as I
[21:16] mentioned we'll have over a million jobs
[21:19] connected with our trade with Mexico by
[21:22] 1995.
[21:24] >> Mr. Let's move on to John Kan of the um
[21:28] American of the Business and Industrial
[21:30] Council. Your organization, your trade
[21:32] organization has been opposed to this
[21:34] agreement as it was being negotiated.
[21:36] What do you think now that you've heard
[21:37] the broad outlines?
[21:39] >> Well, we support eventually a uh a US
[21:42] Mexico free trade agreement and and we
[21:44] agree that it's in our interest to have
[21:45] a uh economically liber liberalized and
[21:48] a politically reformed Mexico. What what
[21:51] we have a problem with is the speed with
[21:53] which this this was negotiated. I don't
[21:55] understand why we had to have the
[21:57] negotiators locked up in a hotel room
[21:58] for day after day after day when the
[22:01] only deadline that I can see is is
[22:03] really a self-imposed one. There is
[22:05] there is nothing that Congress can do
[22:06] this year under the uh law the fasttrack
[22:09] legislation. So the only deadline I
[22:11] guess is uh a sort of panicked rush to
[22:13] have this agreement before uh the uh
[22:16] convention next week.
[22:17] >> Let's just ask Miss Hills about that. Is
[22:18] that why you rushed to get it done this
[22:21] quickly?
[22:21] >> Not at all. And we gave notice that we
[22:23] would commence these negotiations in uh
[22:26] September of 1990. You know, trade
[22:29] negotiations cannot be speeded along. Uh
[22:31] this was a complex comprehensive
[22:33] agreement. Nor can they be slowed up or
[22:36] you lose momentum and they just don't
[22:38] come to fruition. We stayed at the
[22:39] bargaining table because we wanted to
[22:41] harvest the gains that could come from a
[22:44] successful outcome of the agreement. And
[22:46] this is a good agreement. This slashes
[22:49] uh the tariffs uh immediately on 50% of
[22:53] the goods that we sell to Mexico. In 5
[22:56] years, 65% of our goods will get into
[22:59] Mexico at zero tariff. This is very good
[23:03] in terms of our competitiveness.
[23:05] >> Mr. Kan, why do your the people you
[23:07] represent, some 1500 medium-sized uh
[23:11] businesses, mostly manufacturing, why
[23:13] don't you think it's why don't they
[23:15] think it's a good opportunity for them?
[23:16] >> Well, I'm sure we do, and I know we do
[23:18] have members that uh that support this
[23:20] agreement as it is, and we have many
[23:21] that support an eventual agreement. The
[23:24] problem we have is that we think that
[23:26] this agreement is tilted more toward the
[23:28] uh the Fortune 100 companies, the
[23:30] multinational, the transnational
[23:31] companies that have large economies of
[23:34] scale. uh international divisions of
[23:36] labor that can have assembly plants in
[23:38] Mexico uh enjoy workers for 80 cents an
[23:42] hour and our companies and and we are a
[23:44] conservative organization have to uh
[23:46] stay in um are primarily located in this
[23:49] country and they're facing these uh
[23:51] regulatory burdens some of the most
[23:53] burdensome that we've ever had very high
[23:55] tax rates and I think that it's a little
[23:58] u bit of a double standard for uh the
[24:00] government to impose these regulations
[24:02] and these high taxes and then with a
[24:03] little wink and a nod say, "Well, if you
[24:06] want to go to Mexico, you can hire
[24:07] workers for 80 cents or a dollar an
[24:09] hour. You don't have to have these
[24:11] regulations. You don't have to have
[24:12] these taxes, and you have an advantage
[24:14] over the medium and smallsiz
[24:16] manufacturing companies."
[24:16] >> Well, what about what about the
[24:18] contention that it's going to create
[24:20] jobs? I mean, a lot of jobs are created
[24:21] by small and medium-sized businesses
[24:23] like the ones you represent. Won't your
[24:27] companies be creating jobs?
[24:28] >> Well, that's exactly the point. it was
[24:30] uh our kinds of companies that created
[24:32] the overwhelming majority of the jobs in
[24:35] the 1980s. And I do think that in the
[24:37] near term, you're going to see a
[24:39] ballooning of our trade surplus with
[24:40] Mexico. I agree that in the first couple
[24:42] of years, you're going to see a an
[24:44] increase in our trade surplus as we are
[24:46] transporting capital uh factories, if
[24:49] you will, down to Mexico. But then I
[24:51] think you're going to see a dramatic
[24:52] turnabout. I think that you're going to
[24:53] see bigger and bigger trade deficits.
[24:56] And as uh as Ambassador Hills correctly
[24:58] points out, we do gain 20,000 jobs for
[25:01] every billion dollars of exports. But
[25:02] it's also true that we lose 20,000 jobs
[25:05] for every billion dollars of imports.
[25:07] And there is no real Mexican middle
[25:08] class that we're going to sell goods to.
[25:11] That the Mexicans are not basing their
[25:13] economic reforms on imitating the United
[25:15] States, free enterprise American style
[25:17] capitalism. They're basing their
[25:18] economic reforms on on looking east,
[25:21] looking at the East Asian economies,
[25:23] basing uh their rapid economic growth on
[25:25] exports. And I fear that the majority of
[25:27] those exports are going to be headed to
[25:29] the American market.
[25:30] >> I'm going to ask Kay Whitmore of Kodak
[25:32] to respond to you, Mr. Kan, because he
[25:35] is a a member of a very the head of a
[25:37] very big American company and he's fully
[25:39] behind this trade agreement as I
[25:40] understand. Mr. Whitmore, is that
[25:42] correct?
[25:43] >> Uh Robin, that's correct. uh I represent
[25:45] a large company and I'm part of the
[25:47] business roundt and that organization
[25:49] along with a coalition of other
[25:51] organizations have enthusiastically
[25:53] endorsed this negotiation.
[25:55] >> So how are you going to help sell it to
[25:57] comp to organizations like Mr. Kans who
[26:00] for example say that it's it's tilted in
[26:03] favor of companies like yours uh
[26:05] multinationals which can move a lot of
[26:08] their manufacturing operation into
[26:10] Mexico for example to take advantage of
[26:12] the low wages which is not possible for
[26:14] the smaller companies he represents.
[26:17] >> Well I would of course disagree with his
[26:19] point. Uh part of the phenomena of the
[26:22] business support for the NAFTA agreement
[26:25] working with Ambassador Hills and others
[26:27] has been that the business community has
[26:29] represented a broad coalition of
[26:30] organizations. The Chamber of Commerce
[26:33] which represents companies of all sizes.
[26:35] The American Business Council which
[26:36] represents small and midsize companies
[26:39] have also been enthusiastic supporters
[26:41] of this negotiation and and feel I
[26:44] believe generally that this has been an
[26:46] excellent negotiation that the US trade
[26:49] representative have given us an
[26:50] excellent agreement that it is in fact
[26:52] going to create jobs in this country and
[26:54] that companies of all sizes are going to
[26:56] benefit from this opportunity now to
[26:59] export to Mexico. Well, are you for
[27:01] instance in Kodak going to create jobs
[27:04] because of this agreement? And if so,
[27:06] how and where?
[27:07] >> The Mexican market for Eastman Kodak and
[27:10] for many other companies is an excellent
[27:11] market. It is a growing market. It has a
[27:14] very robust economy right now and and
[27:18] the government of Mexico has given the
[27:20] most positive relationship to the United
[27:22] States and has given a very positive
[27:24] economic plan that we're enthusiastic
[27:26] about and we would support the idea of
[27:29] building that into our basic agreements
[27:31] so that we can rely on those into the
[27:33] future and that we can produce products
[27:35] in this country and supply them to
[27:36] Mexico.
[27:37] >> Well, Miss Hills says that uh that it's
[27:40] going to create jobs here. Will Kodak be
[27:42] hiring more people in order to exploit
[27:45] this new market?
[27:47] >> Kodak has a very full participation in
[27:49] Mexico now. We have a manufacturing
[27:50] facility in Mexico, marketing facilities
[27:53] of various types, and we have the
[27:55] facilities there we need to serve the
[27:57] Latin American market that are unique to
[27:59] that market. We supply those markets
[28:02] from bases of technology, raw materials,
[28:05] equipment, sophisticated components into
[28:08] that into those manufacturing
[28:09] facilities. And I've said that this
[28:11] agreement, the growing Mexican market
[28:14] and our ability to service with new
[28:16] products and services will in fact
[28:18] increase our ability to to protect the
[28:20] jobs we have and to increase those jobs.
[28:22] Yes,
[28:23] >> Miss Hills, how do you reply to Mr.
[28:25] Kan's point that what the government is
[28:27] doing with this agreement is giving a as
[28:29] he put it a wink and a nod to big
[28:33] businesses that if they can move down to
[28:35] Mexico or roof some of their operations
[28:37] there they can avoid what he regards as
[28:39] ownorous regulations and taxes here but
[28:42] that smaller companies can't have that
[28:44] advantage. Now, interestingly enough, we
[28:46] did an environmental review to study how
[28:49] the North American Free Trade Agreement
[28:50] would affect the NAFTA, the North the
[28:53] the environment, and one of the things
[28:55] we found we we studied was whether the
[28:58] uh costs of of enforcement of
[29:00] environment in Mexico would attract a
[29:03] relocation, and we found it would not.
[29:05] The cost of relocating are much greater
[29:09] than the costs of maintaining uh the
[29:12] environmental protections. And so I
[29:14] there's no wink, no nudge here. I was
[29:17] surprised to hear Mr. Kan say that he
[29:19] thought that this was only good for
[29:21] small for larger businesses because
[29:23] actually we've had so much applause and
[29:25] interest from smaller businesses who
[29:27] feel that their scale is uh more readily
[29:31] adaptable to the Mexican market. And so
[29:34] they're very enthusiastic about the
[29:36] niches that they see and the
[29:38] opportunities they see to sell their
[29:40] their products into Mexico with this
[29:42] dramatic slashing of restrictions.
[29:44] >> Mr. Kan, come back to you for a moment.
[29:47] Do you think what is your view? You
[29:49] heard what Mr. Donahghue said earlier.
[29:51] What organized labor says, is this going
[29:53] to create jobs in this country or in net
[29:57] terms lose jobs? What do you think?
[29:59] Well, I think in the short term that it
[30:01] may create some net new jobs. It's
[30:03] interesting that uh the most ardent
[30:06] proponents of this treaty uh tout the
[30:09] fact that it's going to create 400,000
[30:11] jobs, but only about 130,000 net jobs.
[30:14] Well, now we lose or gain that many jobs
[30:16] in a month. That's not uh those aren't
[30:19] the major kind of jobs. And I think it's
[30:22] uh that we've created a uh two classes
[30:24] of jobs in this country. And for the
[30:25] kinds of companies uh that that I uh
[30:28] represent that primarily serve the
[30:30] American market, the the two jobs are
[30:32] are a good job and a bad job. A good job
[30:34] is that that is created when we export
[30:36] and a bad job is that that we've lost
[30:38] through to through imports. Now, as
[30:41] President Bush has said, we've created 7
[30:43] million jobs through exports uh during
[30:46] his administration, but we've only
[30:48] created 1 million net new jobs. That
[30:50] means we've lost a number of jobs. And
[30:52] what about the 90 million other
[30:53] Americans that that are employed uh
[30:56] through uh other than exports?
[30:58] >> Yeah. Well, Miss Hills, you want to
[31:01] reply to that?
[31:02] >> Well, the um
[31:06] the jobs are created through exports
[31:09] because trade is contributing
[31:12] 70% to the growth of our economy and
[31:15] that is really the job machine. If we
[31:18] just turned inward and looked to our
[31:20] domestic market, we would not have
[31:22] nearly the job creation. And so we must
[31:25] look for opportunities to export if
[31:29] we're going to create jobs in this
[31:31] global marketplace.
[31:32] >> Let's let's move on uh finally to an
[31:35] area that the president and you, Miss
[31:37] Hills have put great stress on, saying
[31:39] that the agreement is environmentally
[31:41] sensitive. Let's bring in Carl Pope of
[31:44] the Sierra Club. Um, how do you see it
[31:46] now that you've had a chance to look at
[31:48] the uh broad outlines?
[31:50] >> Well, this agreement, unfortunately,
[31:52] could have been good for the
[31:54] environment. It should have been good
[31:56] for the environment, but the
[31:58] administration never really took
[32:00] seriously the things that would have
[32:02] made it good for the environment. It's
[32:04] got three major loopholes and we think
[32:06] each of these needs to be repaired by
[32:08] renegotiating the agreement.
[32:10] >> Why don't you tell them one at a time
[32:11] quickly so then then we can get Miss
[32:13] Hill's reaction. Well, the first is that
[32:15] in fact the agreement does expose a wide
[32:17] variety of US environmental standards
[32:19] and programs to challenges. There is an
[32:22] elaborate procedure in fact for such
[32:24] challenges and the people who will make
[32:26] these decisions are unelected
[32:28] bureaucrats who will principally based
[32:30] on our experience with previous trade
[32:31] agreements be looking at trade not the
[32:34] environment. For example, we suspect
[32:36] that under this agreement, allowable
[32:38] levels of pesticide residues coming into
[32:40] this country on Mexican produce may very
[32:42] well be increased. That's our first
[32:44] major concern. The administration
[32:46] promised they wouldn't allow that, but
[32:48] they quite specifically have allowed for
[32:51] it.
[32:51] >> Miss Hills, how do you respond to that?
[32:53] >> Well, the the gentleman is an error. Uh
[32:56] the agreement specifically in both the
[32:58] standards and the sanitary and
[33:00] phytoanitary text maintains the
[33:04] stringent US standards and uh in fact it
[33:07] goes so far as to permit a state that
[33:09] wants to have higher standards to stand
[33:13] upon those standards. All we ask is that
[33:15] they not apply them in a discriminatory
[33:17] fashion. California wants to have more
[33:20] stringent standards than Mexico or the
[33:22] United States as a whole. It simply must
[33:25] be willing to live with those standards
[33:26] itself.
[33:27] >> So in other words, are you saying to Mr.
[33:29] Pope that the uh trade agreement cannot
[33:32] be used as a way of claiming that US or
[33:36] state environmental standards are a
[33:38] barrier to trade and therefore may be
[33:40] illegal and overruled.
[33:42] >> I'm saying something even more than
[33:44] that. uh this is the greenest trade
[33:46] agreement that has been negotiated in
[33:49] the history of the world that in point
[33:51] of fact the environmental provisions are
[33:54] are protective of our environment and
[33:58] that uh the standards that we have in
[34:00] this country will not be bent and cannot
[34:03] be challenged by any provision that
[34:04] we've negotiated in the agreement.
[34:06] >> Mr. Pope, what is your second objection?
[34:08] Well, my second concern is that while
[34:10] there is an agreement which promises
[34:12] that the border will be cleaned up, that
[34:14] agreement in fact has no teeth. Uh we've
[34:17] had a lot of experience unfortunately
[34:19] with what I think were well-intentioned
[34:21] agreements to clean up the border. But
[34:23] they have lacked enforcability. And this
[34:26] agreement or the side agreement which
[34:28] deals with border cleanup is similarly
[34:30] lacking in the tough mechanisms that we
[34:33] know from experience here in the United
[34:35] States are essential if we're actually
[34:37] going to clean up a tough pollution
[34:39] control program.
[34:40] >> Let me get Miss Hill's reaction to that.
[34:42] I think that uh the border plan, the
[34:45] master plan that we have for the border
[34:47] that we've developed collaboratively
[34:48] with Mexicans is one of the grand
[34:50] stories that we have to tell about this
[34:52] negotiation. What we have is a 10-year
[34:55] plan. President Selenus has allocated
[34:58] substantial resources, $460 million over
[35:01] the next three years to clean up the
[35:03] environment. and that uh uh our
[35:06] administration has put forward $240
[35:09] million over this year. It was somewhat
[35:12] trimmed back. A hundred million was
[35:14] trimmed back by Congress in this past
[35:16] session, but uh I I think we can
[35:19] persuade Congress to uh meet the
[35:22] obligations of dealing with
[35:24] environmental problems at the border.
[35:26] >> Finally, uh Mr. Pope, your third point.
[35:29] Well, I think we need to understand the
[35:30] problem here is not whether the Mexican
[35:32] government is willing to make some
[35:33] investment. The question is whether
[35:35] factories in Mexico have to meet
[35:37] environmental standards. We also
[35:39] believed that this agreement should
[35:41] provide that American companies, which
[35:42] after all are American citizens, when
[35:45] they locate in Mexico, should have to
[35:47] meet US environmental standards and
[35:49] should be subject to enforcement in US
[35:52] courts. Because we've had a long history
[35:54] in Mexico of environmental standards
[35:57] which the government doesn't enforce and
[35:59] which the Mexican courts won't take
[36:01] action on, and Mexican citizens don't
[36:03] have the rights that we have here in
[36:05] this country to go into court to protect
[36:07] themselves. Miss Hills,
[36:09] >> the Selenus administration has passed a
[36:11] regulation that is more stringent than
[36:12] our own. It requires new investors when
[36:15] they invest in Mexico to show how
[36:17] they're going to meet their
[36:19] environmental obligations. And unless
[36:21] they show how they're going to deal with
[36:23] sewage, air, and water, they're not
[36:26] permitted to invest. So, they have an
[36:28] upfront uh uh uh in environmental
[36:31] enforcement mechanism that is really
[36:34] rather unique and very positive. But
[36:36] this mechanism requires the willpower of
[36:38] the Mexican government to enforce it.
[36:40] And there is a long series of
[36:42] regulations put in place by the Selenus
[36:45] administration which have been
[36:46] consistently and regularly ignored by
[36:49] the regulatory officials in Mexico. The
[36:51] only way that in a context like Mexican
[36:54] you can really be sure you're getting an
[36:56] enforcement of environmental laws is to
[36:58] give the citizens of Mexico the right to
[37:00] insist on that enforcement. Something
[37:02] this agreement does not provide. Our
[37:04] brief reply, Miss Hills, then we need to
[37:06] move on.
[37:06] >> The Selius administration has closed
[37:08] more than a thousand industrial
[37:10] facilities that have failed to meet
[37:12] their environmental standards this year.
[37:14] I think their environmental record
[37:15] speaks for itself.
[37:16] >> Okay, we're going to move on. Judy,
[37:19] >> the next stop for the trade agreement is
[37:21] Congress. And to gauge the reception,
[37:22] it's likely to get there, we are now
[37:24] joined by two members of Congress. Jim
[37:26] Colby is a Republican from Arizona. His
[37:29] district is located along the US Mexican
[37:32] border. Richard Gart is the House
[37:34] Majority Leader and a Democrat from
[37:36] Missouri. Congressman Gart, you have
[37:38] raised concerns uh over a period of time
[37:41] about this agreement. Now that it's out
[37:44] and you've heard the objections that
[37:45] have been raised here tonight, uh what
[37:48] what are what are your objections? Are
[37:50] they do they go across the board? Are
[37:52] they at the heart the concept of what
[37:54] this agreement is or what?
[37:55] >> Well, first we have to put aside the
[37:58] provisions of the agreement. It is still
[38:01] classified. We won't see that for a
[38:03] number of weeks. So, it's hard tonight
[38:06] to make a lot of conclusive comments
[38:08] about this tariff or that industry and
[38:10] how everything was exactly treated.
[38:12] >> So, you don't you don't have access to
[38:14] the to the language yet.
[38:16] >> We have an outline. We have a a general
[38:19] uh expression of what is in the treaty.
[38:22] We haven't seen the language and won't
[38:24] see that. It's it's not available until
[38:27] all the interpretation is done. And
[38:28] that's a normal situation at the end of
[38:30] a negotiation. But beyond that, let me
[38:33] say that my view in general is that we
[38:36] can do a good agreement with Mexico that
[38:39] can be in the interest of both countries
[38:41] and the people of both countries, but it
[38:44] has to be done the right way. And the
[38:47] major deficiency that I see so far is
[38:50] that there is not credibly in place
[38:54] funded programs and ways to deal with
[38:58] both the environmental, the
[39:00] infrastructure and the employment
[39:02] challenges, the human challenges that I
[39:05] think are presented by this kind of a
[39:06] treaty. Clearly, as Carla Hills has
[39:09] said, there will be jobs created, there
[39:11] will be jobs lost. uh if the people who
[39:14] lose their jobs are to find new jobs,
[39:18] it's going to take a concerted effort
[39:21] here in the United States on the part of
[39:23] the private sector and our government to
[39:26] see that people are put into a position
[39:29] where they can gain new employment.
[39:32] That's not been dealt with. And and I
[39:34] think what's primarily missing are the
[39:37] resources that are going to be needed on
[39:40] our part and Mexico's part in order to
[39:42] deal with the environment, deal with the
[39:44] infrastructure, and deal with the human.
[39:46] >> You mean the money appropriated in the
[39:47] US budget? Is that is that what you're
[39:50] talking about?
[39:50] >> Correct. If we're going to have, for
[39:52] instance, a meaningful long-term
[39:54] training and job placement program,
[39:58] uh we know that it's going to cost a
[40:00] good deal of money. Uh in the past uh we
[40:03] have had programs to take care of
[40:06] transition in trade agreements. We have
[40:08] a program called called trade adjustment
[40:11] assistance. Uh it has been gutted by
[40:13] both the Reagan and the Bush
[40:15] administrations. It has never been
[40:16] funded the way it should be. And in my
[40:19] view, the funds will not be there with a
[40:22] budget that has a $400 billion deficit
[40:25] unless we can identify a revenue source
[40:28] that I think should ideally come from
[40:31] the activity of trade between the two
[40:34] countries. And that's why I've suggested
[40:36] some kind of crossborder transaction fee
[40:40] that could be used to fund all of these
[40:42] activities that are needed to meet these
[40:44] very important challenges.
[40:46] >> A kind of a tax, in other words, and I
[40:48] want to ask you about that in a moment.
[40:49] Congressman Colby, you've heard what
[40:50] what Congressman Gart is saying that the
[40:52] fun he doesn't see that the funds have
[40:54] been provided for to take care of some
[40:56] of these very real concerns.
[40:57] >> Well, I' I'd make two points on that.
[40:59] The administration did put $241 million
[41:02] in its budget uh for EPA and for other
[41:05] agencies to deal with some of the
[41:07] immediate problems along the border.
[41:09] Half of that was gutted by the
[41:10] Democratic uh appropriations committee
[41:12] in the House. They took every dime out
[41:14] that was provided for the EPA for the
[41:17] projects along the border. I think it's
[41:18] simply outrageous. You can't have it
[41:20] both ways. You can't say the
[41:20] administration is not doing enough and
[41:22] then take out the money that is in there
[41:24] for that.
[41:24] >> And what about that, Congressman Deon?
[41:26] Well, it was taken out because there are
[41:28] so many other competing considerations
[41:30] in a very tight budget that has a $400
[41:33] billion deficit. And I think it's pretty
[41:36] hard to ask people in Missouri or
[41:37] Michigan or New York who are paying
[41:39] their taxes into the federal budget to
[41:42] say that their money should be taken to
[41:44] solve problems that are coming out of
[41:46] increased trade between two countries
[41:48] that hopefully will be increased because
[41:50] of this treaty.
[41:51] >> You mean because they would lose
[41:52] benefits for other federal projects that
[41:55] were cut back. If the environment is a
[41:57] problem, and it is on the border, and if
[42:00] we're to deal with those environmental
[42:02] problems and to help Mexico have the
[42:04] resources to enforce their very good
[42:07] law, it seems to me the monies to do
[42:10] that, and they're going to be
[42:11] considerable, in my view, should come
[42:13] out of the transaction of trade that is
[42:16] going on between the two countries. It
[42:18] shouldn't come from general taxpayers in
[42:20] other parts of the country.
[42:22] >> Is that a viable idea? Well, this
[42:24] suggestion reminds me of uh Abraham
[42:27] Lincoln's comment about the guy who's
[42:28] being led to the gallows. He said,
[42:29] "Except for the honor, I think I'd
[42:31] decline." Uh if I were in the business
[42:33] of negotiating a trade agreement here, I
[42:35] think I'd decline if this was the option
[42:36] here. What he because what he's
[42:38] suggesting is we're going to have a free
[42:39] trade agreement. We're going to have a
[42:41] tax as a part of that, a new tax as a
[42:43] part of that free trade agreement.
[42:44] That's exactly what free trade
[42:46] agreements are supposed to get us away
[42:47] from. Environmental problems are
[42:49] national problems. We have super fund
[42:51] that is paid for nationally. All of our
[42:52] environmental problems we understand are
[42:54] national ones. These problems along the
[42:56] border are international.
[42:57] >> So when he says that Missouri and other
[42:59] states shouldn't be asked to pay for the
[43:01] cleanup of among other things of what
[43:03] has to happen along our border with
[43:04] Mexico, that's not a you you don't buy
[43:08] that argument.
[43:08] >> I don't buy that argument. I think the
[43:10] problems that exist along the border
[43:11] come from the pressures that exist uh uh
[43:14] from on both sides of the border. We pay
[43:16] a lot in along the border for clean, not
[43:18] only cleaning up the environment, but
[43:20] for the problems that exist, the health
[43:21] problems, the law enforcement problems.
[43:24] They pose a real problem for those of us
[43:25] that live along the border.
[43:27] >> Well, those problems are not being
[43:28] solved. If you go down on the border on
[43:30] either side, in most places, you'll see
[43:33] tremendous environmental problems. Uh
[43:35] creeks with uh all kinds of pollution in
[43:38] them. Air is polluted. You'll see
[43:40] children and people on both sides of the
[43:43] border living without sewage, living
[43:45] without roads, living without water.
[43:48] These are problems that government and
[43:50] the private sector together have to
[43:52] solve. Whether or not you have a Mexican
[43:54] free trade treaty, we've got to find a
[43:56] way to solve these problem. Let me let
[43:58] me just give you Europe as a model. They
[44:00] the European community has brought in
[44:02] Greece, Spain, and Portugal, countries
[44:04] less developed than the rest of the
[44:06] community. Since 1986, they've spent a
[44:09] hundred billion dollars on structural
[44:11] adjustment assistance that has come out
[44:13] of the budget.
[44:14] >> What does that mean?
[44:16] >> Well, they provide for training on in
[44:18] both the community and the
[44:20] >> workers lose their jobs.
[44:21] >> Exactly. They they also take care of of
[44:23] health problems. They take care of
[44:25] environmental cleanup and they have
[44:27] activities with regard to
[44:28] infrastructure. If that's what they're
[44:31] doing with a country that is say a 2:1
[44:33] wage disparity with them, we're talking
[44:35] about a country here that has a 10:1
[44:38] wage disparity with the United States.
[44:40] >> Congressman,
[44:41] >> well, we we certainly agree at least on
[44:42] that one thing that these problems have
[44:44] to be solved whether or not there is a
[44:45] trade agreement. Whether or not we have
[44:47] a free trade agreement, we have the
[44:48] problems. They exist there along the
[44:50] border. But I contend that poverty is no
[44:52] friend of the environment. that to the
[44:55] extent that we can increase the wealth
[44:56] in Mexico, increase their uh their
[44:59] resources, they will apply more to this.
[45:01] Ambassador Hills pointed out they're
[45:02] putting $460 million into it this year.
[45:05] It's more than we happen to be putting
[45:06] into the problems along the border. So,
[45:08] I think they are making a real effort
[45:10] here.
[45:10] >> Ambassador Hills is still sitting with
[45:12] us. And and what about Congressman
[45:13] Gart's point that that there is not
[45:15] enough provision in here to take care of
[45:17] retraining those people who are going to
[45:19] clearly going to lose their jobs when
[45:21] those jobs leave the United States? We
[45:23] have committed to have a worker
[45:24] adjustment program. The trade assistance
[45:26] program that he mentioned has not been
[45:28] well funded, but we've doubled the
[45:29] funding in the last four years of the
[45:31] economic dislocation worker adjustment
[45:34] program because it has a much better
[45:36] beneficiary ratio. But I do take issue
[45:39] with uh the majority leader on having a
[45:42] tax put on trade because that really is
[45:45] what we're trying to do away with. the
[45:47] the trade will create wealth and the
[45:51] beneficiaries of that trade are northern
[45:53] states. The top 10 states that will
[45:56] benefit from trade with Mexico among
[45:58] them number Michigan or uh Ohio,
[46:01] Pennsylvania, New York. And so it is
[46:04] incumbent upon them as a good and
[46:07] vibrant democracy that we are is to
[46:10] arrange the priorities and trade is a
[46:12] priority because it is so job creating.
[46:15] Do you accept that that the states that
[46:17] are going to most benefit from this are
[46:19] the states in the north middle upper
[46:21] central northnortheastern United States
[46:23] >> with a good treaty all of the states of
[46:26] the United States can benefit and all of
[46:28] Mexico can benefit. That's not the
[46:30] issue. The issue is, are we going to
[46:33] have a transition,
[46:35] a way of dealing with the ancillary
[46:38] problems that are created by even
[46:40] greater trade than we have today so that
[46:43] those problems can be dealt with
[46:44] correctly? I think we can, but to give
[46:47] it an elusory promise to say that we're
[46:50] going to jin up a program that we
[46:52] haven't been able to afford in the past,
[46:53] I don't think is a sufficient answer.
[46:55] This has all come up, of course, in a in
[46:57] a presidential election year, and much
[46:58] of what's going to the discussion that's
[47:00] going to take place in Congress is going
[47:01] to take place after the election. But
[47:03] right now, many Democrats are saying, in
[47:05] fact, Governor Clinton put out a
[47:07] statement today and said, "Yes, he's for
[47:09] a good uh sound trade agreement, but he
[47:11] wants to see the details and and but he
[47:14] wants to wait for these hearings."
[47:15] Aren't many Democrats going to be trying
[47:17] to have it both ways at one point?
[47:18] trying to say on the one on one hand
[47:20] they're for free trade but on the other
[47:22] hand they don't want to they don't want
[47:23] to give up some of these frankly
[47:26] protectionist positions that they've
[47:27] adopted over over time.
[47:29] >> No, I think he's been very clear and
[47:31] I've tried to be clear from the
[47:33] beginning that a good treaty done right
[47:35] is good for both countries and the
[47:38] people in both countries. But what we're
[47:40] going to be adamant about and careful
[47:42] about is how this is done and whether
[47:45] the programs that are put in place, both
[47:47] private and public, to deal with the
[47:50] problems we've been talking about are
[47:52] funded correctly,
[47:54] concrete programs that'll get real
[47:56] results and that they're effective
[47:58] programs that will be here not just next
[48:01] month or next year, but 5 years from
[48:03] now. Just quickly, Ambassador Hills or
[48:05] Congressman Colby, how much negotiating
[48:07] room is there on the part of of the
[48:09] administration in terms of what Congress
[48:11] can do with the language here when it
[48:13] goes to the Congress?
[48:14] >> Well, we'll work closely with Congress
[48:16] to develop a bipartisan approach to the
[48:18] implementing legislation of this
[48:20] agreement. The president has already
[48:22] committed before the negotiations
[48:23] commence to work in a bipartisan fashion
[48:26] to to develop the programs such as
[48:28] worker adjustment that he feels are
[48:30] necessary to help those workers in
[48:33] certain sectors that may be affected by
[48:35] the agreement.
[48:35] >> And Congressman Colby, what do you see
[48:37] the climate is on the hill?
[48:38] >> I think it's going to be a tough
[48:39] climate, but I think making a prediction
[48:41] right now would be rather foolhardy.
[48:42] We're looking at a huge turnover for the
[48:44] 103rd Congress. Uh, so I think we'll
[48:47] have to wait till next January and of
[48:49] course also the presidential election
[48:50] will play a big part in this. I hope
[48:52] Governor Clinton will renew his
[48:54] commitment that he made earlier to the
[48:55] free trade agreement and will support
[48:57] it.
[48:57] >> Just quickly, Congressman Gar, do you
[48:58] accept that that it's just too early at
[49:01] this point to say or what?
[49:02] >> We have a long way to go, but this
[49:03] should be an issue that's debated in the
[49:05] campaign for this reason. There's a very
[49:07] different approach here. The Democrats
[49:09] are saying there are things that have to
[49:11] be done and government has to take a
[49:13] role with the private sector.
[49:15] Republicans really believe the private
[49:17] sector will take care of all of this.
[49:18] You don't need to do much of it.
[49:20] >> All right. Well, gentlemen again and
[49:21] Ambassador Hills, we thank you all for
[49:23] being with us.
[49:34] >> We close tonight with an Anne Taylor
[49:36] Fleming essay about a young woman who
[49:38] has a way with words.
[49:51] We were listening to a song that was the
[49:53] hit of that summer. Tracy Chapman's Fast
[49:55] Car. All neatly packaged and sung with a
[49:58] man's voice and met a dramatic guitar
[49:59] strings.
[50:04] >> I want a ticket to anywhere. Maybe we
[50:07] make a deal. Maybe we can get somewhere.
[50:11] I cranked the volume another notch as he
[50:13] cranked the engine another 5 miles hour.
[50:15] I liked it that way. I liked it when the
[50:17] music was loud and blasting and we were
[50:19] going at 75 miles hour and with our
[50:21] windows down, the wind seemed to be
[50:23] serving as a background music. I like it
[50:25] when other nearby cars stare at us
[50:27] thinking somewhere in the back of their
[50:29] heads that we were some wild kids having
[50:31] the grandest time of our lives. But
[50:33] really, we weren't.
[50:36] The reader and writer of this story,
[50:38] Fast Car, is Kuan Jong, a 16-year-old
[50:41] 10th grader at Vanise High School. Her
[50:44] story was the first place fiction winner
[50:46] in a recent contest held by LA Youth, a
[50:48] newspaper put out by and for high school
[50:51] students from all over the city. I met
[50:53] her because I was one of the judges.
[50:55] Reading her story for the first time,
[50:57] typed out on rip and read computer paper
[51:00] stopped me cold with its restrained
[51:02] depth of feeling and tur elegance.
[51:09] I looked at my window and studied the
[51:10] sideway markings, dashed white lines and
[51:13] raised white round dots. I thought about
[51:15] a poet who compared a car to an animal
[51:18] that ate the mouse as it went along.
[51:21] Miles grabbed hold of me when my head
[51:23] went out too far. He took my left hand
[51:25] in his and started toying with my
[51:26] fingers to keep me still.
[51:30] here, my instinct said, was an authentic
[51:32] voice. One of my sprawling city's true
[51:35] young poets. Make that multicultural
[51:38] poets. 500 people come into Los Angeles
[51:41] every day looking for everything
[51:43] imaginable. Most of them from Latin
[51:45] America and Asia. Of the 600,000
[51:48] students enrolled in the LA Unified
[51:50] School District as of 1988, 500,000 were
[51:53] non-white, and among them, there were 96
[51:56] different languages spoken. I don't feel
[51:58] like the need to write much about my
[52:00] culture
[52:01] >> because truthfully I don't know a lot
[52:03] about it and I'm ashamed about it. I
[52:05] really am. I imagine myself having kids
[52:07] in later years and how am I supposed to
[52:10] teach them the language or like the
[52:11] cultures and traditions like certain
[52:13] Chinese holidays
[52:14] >> and certain months you have certain
[52:16] holidays in which you must buy like
[52:17] foods and like pray and offerings
[52:21] >> and I'm afraid and I and I want I want
[52:25] to keep the tradition but I don't really
[52:26] know how.
[52:29] >> Kuen herself is both Vietnamese and
[52:31] Chinese. Her parents were born in
[52:33] Vietnam but consider themselves Chinese
[52:35] and the small condominium in which they
[52:37] live here on the hill overlooking
[52:39] downtown LA. Cuyen, her mother and
[52:42] father, one of her two sisters and her
[52:44] brother, is full of three languages, a
[52:46] jumble of close quartered words and
[52:49] tensions and hopes and angers out of
[52:52] which clear as glass come these clean,
[52:54] strong English words of a writer in the
[52:57] making as they've come out of immigrant
[52:59] quarters and ethnic enclaves through the
[53:01] decades of our American history.
[53:08] She loves the freeways, the freedom, the
[53:11] fearful and exhilarating flying out of
[53:13] her culture into a new one. Her parents
[53:16] are ambivalent about her writing, want
[53:18] her to pursue math and science. As it
[53:20] turns out, neither of them can read
[53:22] English. They cannot read what their
[53:24] daughter writes. That too is a freedom.
[53:27] A friend of mine said it gives me more
[53:28] freedom to like to really like create
[53:32] something that I feel strongly about
[53:34] without them really knowing it.
[53:36] >> I think there's a lot of violence and
[53:38] pain in a family cuz that's where
[53:42] a writer writes from what you write from
[53:44] what you know and you write from what
[53:45] you feel deeply about and you write from
[53:47] what you see around you. And I tend to
[53:49] write subjects that kind of like
[53:52] about a person
[53:55] in a realistic world and just trying to
[53:59] grab and struggle to overcome or to deal
[54:02] with the problems they go through. Coen
[54:06] says her father has had a hard time here
[54:07] among so many strangers, a dentist in
[54:09] Saigon. Here he has worked mostly in a
[54:12] sewing factory. Her mother worked as a
[54:14] cosmetologist until the shop was burned
[54:16] down in the recent riots. Money is an
[54:18] issue. Ethnic identity is an issue.
[54:20] Violence is an issue. Fear is an issue.
[54:23] They want everything for their high
[54:24] achieving kids. And there are days, Coen
[54:26] says, when the pressure is heavy. When
[54:28] the writer in her is at war with the
[54:30] mathematician, just as the rebellious
[54:32] American teenager fights the beautiful
[54:34] immigrant daughter.
[54:36] >> Sometimes you don't know where you
[54:39] really belong. A part of you feel like,
[54:41] oh sure, you can go on Saturday night
[54:43] with your friends or you can go on
[54:44] Friday nights and you can just be so
[54:46] Americanized. When you go back to your
[54:48] family, here you are at a different
[54:51] place and you speak to your mom and your
[54:52] dad in different language and
[54:54] >> even them speaking.
[54:56] >> Yeah. And even to them, you speak maybe
[54:59] the same language, but still the
[55:01] meanings come up different cuz usually I
[55:02] end up saying the wrong thing than what
[55:04] I really want to say and makes things
[55:06] hard for them to understand. But
[55:08] underneath it all, all the pushes and
[55:10] pulls, a new American voice is forming.
[55:14] Up out of the angst of adolescence, out
[55:16] of the variegated spill of a vast city,
[55:19] out of the marriage of cultures, a
[55:21] girl's voice, strong and simple, telling
[55:24] a story, fearing, she says that she will
[55:27] explode if she doesn't.
[55:30] >> You got to pass
[55:33] enough so you can fly away. You got to
[55:35] make a decision. leave tonight to live
[55:38] and die this way.
[55:40] >> Under him, I would think about whether
[55:42] that parabola in the pre-calculus test
[55:44] was a function or not and try to
[55:46] remember what was the answer I had put
[55:48] for the domain and range.
[55:50] I wonder if he had noticed the one in
[55:52] scar that mom has lashed with a knife on
[55:54] my upper left thigh.
[55:57] I let my scarlet fingernails gently rake
[55:59] his back the way I wanted to scar dad's
[56:01] face when he raped mom.
[56:12] Later, when it was over, Miles would say
[56:14] he'll marry me in a year or two. I laugh
[56:16] out loud and continued thinking about
[56:17] that calculus test as we drove and
[56:19] listened to Tracy Chapman's fast car.
[56:24] >> So, I remember when we were driving
[56:27] driving in your car, speed so fast, it
[56:29] felt like I was drunk. See the lights
[56:31] stay out before your arm nice grab
[56:34] around my shoulder and I
[56:37] had a feeling that I belong. I
[56:41] had a feeling I could be someone.
[56:51] I'm an Taylor Fleming.
[56:59] Again, the major stories of this
[57:00] Wednesday. The US, Mexico, and Canada
[57:02] announced an agreement to create the
[57:04] world's largest trading block, and more
[57:06] than 300 women and children were
[57:08] evacuated from Bosnia. The action came
[57:10] as the UN Security Council moved toward
[57:13] passage of a resolution on the use of
[57:15] force to protect relief operations. Good
[57:17] night, Robin.
[57:18] >> Good night, Judy. That's the NewsHour
[57:20] tonight, and we'll be back tomorrow
[57:21] night. I'm Robert McNeel. Good night.
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[58:08] and drag tall sections of metal up into
[58:10] the woods above Interstate 5. This is
[58:13] why they were doing it. A month ago,
[58:16] people in the area began seeing two bull
[58:19] elk wandering through the park. It is
[58:22] good elk territory except the park is
[58:24] surrounded by city
[58:26] >> and they're almost developing a pattern
[58:28] starting out down there in the morning
[58:30] and coming up at night. They're
[58:31] consistently spending the day up in
[58:33] here.
[58:34] >> Gene Herb is worried someone may get
[58:36] hurt. They have been seen on the
[58:39] freeway. The plan is to trap the two elk
[58:41] in a metal cage, tranquilize them, and
[58:44] transport them to a remote area. And
[58:46] this is probably the levelst place in
[58:47] the whole park.
[58:50] >> Today, they erected the cage.
[58:54] >> There's their trail right there.
[58:56] >> Put it along the path the elk always
[58:58] seem to travel. How long before the elk
[59:00] enter the cage? No one knows.
[59:02] >> We've done it before. You know, we we
[59:04] put them up before and it worked the
[59:06] same night,
[59:07] >> but most likely they will bait it and
[59:08] let the elk get used to it, not be
[59:10] scared to
[59:11] >> it. They'd be real lary for a while.
[59:13] They may just send one in. The big one
[59:16] might tell the small one to go in and
[59:17] kind of check it out for them. But
[59:19] things go slick, I think. Then they'll
[59:20] become very accustomed to it.
[59:28] >> The cage is up. Now comes the waiting
[59:32] for them. And for them,
[59:36] Ray Summers at large.
[59:38] >> Fish and wildlife officers request
[59:40] people stay away from the traps so they
[59:43] avoid frightening the elk.
[59:44] >> Had to find some shade today. Looked
[59:46] like it might be a good place. It was 96
[59:48] in Portland, 101 fieldlike temperature.
[59:51] Randy, tomorrow is looking for Let's let
[59:53] him say. What's our high for tomorrow?
[59:54] >> Well, a little bit cooler. Some of that
[59:55] ocean air that's in Atoria right now is
[59:57] going to work its way in our direction.
[59:59] So, a little cooler, but still way too
[60:00] hot.
[60:01] >> Oh, that's good news, though. Thanks for
[60:03] joining us. We'll be back at 11 o'clock.
[60:05] >> Dan Two Shoes Rather is next.