Good Morning America (ABC) - 1995-09-07 - 2 of 2 (partial)

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[0:00] uh

[0:02] loud boom. She was just when I picked

[0:06] her up and over, she just did just like

[0:09] a washer rag. She was gone.

[0:11] >> And Weaver told the committee the FBI

[0:13] allowed the standoff to drag on nine

[0:15] more days, even though negotiators knew

[0:17] Vicky Weaver was dead.

[0:19] >> So, you're saying they knew she was dead

[0:22] when she died essentially from

[0:24] >> Absolutely.

[0:25] >> Today's hearing will focus on federal

[0:27] agents who tried to arrest Weaver. Still

[0:29] to come are questions for the FBI on

[0:32] shoot on site orders called rules of

[0:34] engagement and on a possible cover up by

[0:36] senior FBI officials involved in

[0:38] drafting those rules. Julie Johnson, ABC

[0:41] News on Capitol Hill.

[0:43] >> There were more huge explosions near the

[0:46] Bosnian capital of Sievo this morning.

[0:53] It's the third day of NATO air strikes

[0:55] against rebel Serb positions. One of the

[0:57] attacks on a Bosnian Serb barrack seen

[1:00] here. Others near the Serb stronghold of

[1:02] Pale.

[1:04] China took a parting shot at the first

[1:06] lady today shortly after Hillary Clinton

[1:08] left for Mongolia. China said her

[1:11] criticism of Chinese policy at a UN

[1:13] conference on women was unwarranted. A

[1:16] Chinese spokesman urged the US not to

[1:18] make fresh troubles and put new

[1:21] obstacles in the way of Sino US

[1:23] relations. And that is ABC News on the

[1:26] half hour. It's 34 minutes after and

[1:28] here's Spence standing in front of the

[1:30] William Perry. Do you get that?

[1:32] >> I'm sorry, Mort. I wasn't paying

[1:34] attention to you.

[1:35] >> Well, I'll repeat it at 8:30.

[1:38] Mort, I'm sorry. I was rushing off to

[1:39] pick up a piece of refrigerator art. I

[1:41] did not hear what preceded that, but I'm

[1:42] sure it was clever.

[1:44] Anyhow, we have more refrigerator art.

[1:46] It keeps pouring in. This comes to us

[1:48] from Sierra Hatchet, who has uh an Air

[1:52] Force base address in Atsugi, I hope I'm

[1:54] saying that correctly, Japan. Uh she is

[1:57] uh how old is she? Doesn't say how old

[1:59] she is. Six. Six years old. Sierra

[2:02] Hatchet three years old. And it says my

[2:04] goldfish. So Sierra Hatchet. I don't

[2:07] know what the forecast is for Atsugi,

[2:09] Japan. I have no clue. But I hope it's a

[2:11] sunny and lovely day there because your

[2:13] artwork certainly is lovely. Uh this

[2:16] weather map, not so lovely today, but

[2:17] that's good because we need rainfall.

[2:19] It's been very dry in the Northeast as

[2:20] you know. Finally, showers are arriving

[2:22] in parts of New England, the Ohio

[2:23] Valley, down through the Mississippi

[2:25] Valley and into the southern plains. Uh,

[2:27] some of the rainfall will be accompanied

[2:28] by thunderstorms. Cool air coming in

[2:30] behind that frontal system, drying

[2:32] things out and cooling things off,

[2:34] making them feel autumnike in the

[2:35] northern and central plains. Meanwhile,

[2:37] let's focus on Hurricane Luis for just a

[2:39] moment. It has taken a um a nice turn

[2:42] northward uh up into the Atlantic. It's

[2:44] moving away from uh Puerto Rico, the

[2:46] Virgin Islands. It's probably going to

[2:48] bypass the Bahamas. Still a very strong

[2:50] hurricane, a category 4 with 140 mile

[2:52] per hour highest sustained winds, but at

[2:54] this point, if it continues in that

[2:56] path, it'll pose no threat to any

[2:57] population areas. Back to the uh US map

[3:00] here. As we look ahead towards the

[3:01] weekend, it's going to be hot and dry

[3:03] generally in the southwest. There will

[3:05] be some showers in the uh eastern uh

[3:07] portion of the central and southern

[3:08] Rockies and down into parts of Texas.

[3:10] Mild days and cool nights in the

[3:13] nation's midsection. Cool nights meaning

[3:15] lows dropping into the 40s. Daytime

[3:17] highs 60s and 70s. Rough surf along the

[3:19] Atlantic coast from the effects of

[3:21] Hurricane Luis and some sprinkles will

[3:23] fall as well. That's a look at the

[3:24] national weather. Here's a look at the

[3:26] weather where you are. Good morning. I'm

[3:27] Ron Peterson. Here's a look at the

[3:28] weather for this Thursday, September

[3:30] 7th. We'll see areas of rain this

[3:31] morning, then turning to widely

[3:32] scattered showers throughout the

[3:33] afternoon. We might even see an

[3:35] afternoon thunderstorm near the

[3:36] Cascades. High temperature today should

[3:38] be about 73 degrees. Ones will be from

[3:40] the northwest.

[3:42] >> This weather report has been brought to

[3:43] you by New Line Cinema. Charlie,

[3:46] >> thanks Spencer. 24 minutes before the

[3:48] hour. Next, a defense witness. A

[3:49] firsthand account of detective Mark

[3:51] Ferman's racial epithets when Good

[3:53] Morning America continues.

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[6:01] >> It is now 39 minutes after part of the

[6:03] drama of the day in the OJ Simpson case

[6:06] came from Rodrik Hodgej. He was arrested

[6:08] by detective Mark Ferman in 1987 and he

[6:11] says he found out firsthand about

[6:13] Ferman's racial attitudes. And Roger

[6:15] Hajj uh who was accompanied this morning

[6:17] by his attorney Irv Miller is joining us

[6:19] from Los Angeles. Mr. Hajj, good

[6:21] morning.

[6:22] >> Good morning Joe.

[6:23] >> You testified about a racial slur that

[6:25] Detective Furman directed at you, how

[6:27] that made you feel. Tell us about his

[6:30] attitude during that incident.

[6:33] Well, Detective Fman was um just very

[6:38] his disposition just was terrible. He

[6:39] was very nasty to say and that's just

[6:42] using very very light words. Very very

[6:45] nasty. Very nasty.

[6:47] >> What else had he done to reveal his

[6:49] attitudes toward you? I understand this

[6:51] had been an ongoing incident.

[6:53] >> Yes, it had been going on uh times

[6:57] innumerable. Um, we've uh uh he would

[7:00] see me from uh a distance. He would uh

[7:03] you know come from wherever he was at

[7:05] over to where I was. Uh he would see me

[7:06] driving my car. He would see me uh going

[7:08] from my house to my sister's house. Uh

[7:12] any given moment that he had just uh we

[7:14] just didn't for whatever reason um could

[7:17] not go off very well.

[7:18] >> You've described it as just this

[7:20] constant intimidation. Were there other

[7:22] officers in the car or other police

[7:24] officers who witnessed his behavior? And

[7:27] what was their reaction to it?

[7:30] >> Yes. Uh just about on every occasion

[7:32] there was other officers present. Um and

[7:36] their attitude was, you know, well, we

[7:38] don't see nothing. We didn't see it or

[7:40] we didn't hear it or um just ignored it.

[7:44] >> So you feel it was kind of a code of

[7:46] silence?

[7:47] >> Oh, definitely it was. Definitely it

[7:49] was.

[7:49] >> As you were giving your testimony

[7:50] yesterday, you could see the jurors. How

[7:52] were the jurors reacting to your

[7:54] testimony?

[7:56] Um, very attentive. Very attentive.

[8:00] >> And how important do you think your

[8:02] testimony was in and I think that you

[8:05] would like to see it bring about change

[8:06] as well as simply just be the testimony

[8:08] in this case?

[8:12] >> The importance of my testimony, I don't

[8:14] know. I um with regards to the trial um

[8:17] I'm hoping that it sheds some light or

[8:20] some insight as to the individual and

[8:22] the group the LAPD and you know the code

[8:25] of silence the behavior that uh that's

[8:28] constantly uh displayed.

[8:30] >> All right, Roger Hajj, we thank you for

[8:32] joining us this morning.

[8:34] >> Yes, thank you.

[8:36] >> And it's 41 minutes after when we come

[8:38] back more on the Ferman factor. Just how

[8:40] devastating will all this be for the

[8:42] prosecution? Good Morning America

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[10:58] we continue our look at yesterday's

[11:00] extraordinary proceedings at the OJ

[11:02] Simpson trial and Mark Ferman's

[11:04] appearance. We've heard from the defense

[11:06] and one of the witnesses that appeared

[11:07] yesterday. Now for another perspective,

[11:09] we are joined by Good Morning America's

[11:10] legal consultant Arthur Miller who is

[11:12] with us this morning from New Orleans

[11:14] and at our Los Angeles bureau Shireen

[11:16] Mcgame a reporter for the city news

[11:18] service who's been in court since day

[11:19] one of the Simpson case. And I

[11:22] appreciate both of you being here.

[11:23] Shireen, let me start with you because I

[11:24] think there's an interesting contrast.

[11:26] It was early in March that Mark Ferman

[11:29] appeared in this trial to testify for

[11:31] the first time. Talk to me about the

[11:33] difference in the way he walked in as we

[11:35] look at the clips. The way he walked in

[11:36] in March and the way he walked in

[11:38] yesterday.

[11:39] >> Well, Charlie, in March, uh, Mark Ferman

[11:42] came into the courtroom very confident.

[11:44] He had this star quality about him. He

[11:47] stood chatting and smiling with the

[11:49] prosecution. Yesterday it was a very

[11:52] different Mark Ferman. He came into the

[11:54] courtroom. He looked straight ahead. Uh

[11:57] the prosecution ignored him. Marshia

[11:59] Clark did not even look at him. Chris

[12:01] Darden left the courtroom uh so that he

[12:04] would not have to be there when Mark

[12:05] Ferman came in and left. So

[12:08] >> So even though the jury wasn't there

[12:11] yesterday, it was like he was a

[12:13] non-person as far as the prosecution was

[12:15] concerned.

[12:16] >> Definitely. That was that was very

[12:17] clear. it. He was obviously uh shunned.

[12:21] They did not look at him. Kim Goldman

[12:23] even did not look at him and she had

[12:24] been very friendly with him before.

[12:26] >> Arthur, let me turn to you. Um Alan

[12:29] Dersowitz was here a few moments ago

[12:31] saying the defense has the right to call

[12:34] him in front of the jury so that the

[12:37] jury can hear him take the fifth. Do

[12:39] they have that right?

[12:40] >> It's unclear under California law. There

[12:42] are very very few cases on it because

[12:45] this type of an invocation of the fifth

[12:47] amendment is very unusual. Judge Ido

[12:50] could allow the defense to call him. Uh

[12:53] Judge Ido could simply instruct the jury

[12:56] that Mr. Ferman was unavailable. Might

[12:58] even say it's because he took his fifth

[13:00] amendment right. Or Judge Ido could say,

[13:02] "Look, jurors only hear evidence. Mark

[13:04] Ferman gave no evidence. I'm going to

[13:06] tell the jury nothing. What we've got

[13:09] here is a real mess, Charlie, with the

[13:13] defense saying, "You got to throw out

[13:15] the original search, or at least throw

[13:18] out Mark Ferman, or at least tell the

[13:20] jury that Mark Ferman lied, or at least

[13:23] tell him he took the fifth. It is

[13:25] terribly confusing."

[13:26] >> Arthur, I was very struck by something

[13:28] yesterday. Maybe you can clear it up for

[13:29] me. I I we expected you and I had talked

[13:32] on this air about the fact that we

[13:33] expected him to take the fifth on the

[13:35] question of the racial epithets, but he

[13:37] was asked yesterday, did you plant or

[13:40] manufacture any evidence in this case?

[13:42] And he took the fifth on that. Can we

[13:45] infer from that that he did manufacture

[13:48] evidence or plant evidence? The classic

[13:51] notion, Charlie, is that the taking of

[13:54] the fifth is simply an assertion of a

[13:58] privilege that each one of us has. That

[14:00] if we are accused of doing something

[14:02] wrong or might be accused, it's up to

[14:04] the state to prove it. In theory, when

[14:07] he says, "I'm not going to answer that

[14:09] question because it might incriminate

[14:10] me." It's because there's a possible

[14:12] criminal charge. But but but Arthur,

[14:15] when he doesn't answer that question, I

[14:17] mean, it seems to me if the if the

[14:18] prosecution stands by its evidence, he

[14:20] would answer that question. Or is there

[14:22] some reason that he takes the fifth on

[14:24] that question?

[14:25] >> Well, he takes the fifth across the

[14:27] board because there's a very dangerous

[14:29] doctrine that you cannot selectively

[14:31] choose which questions to answer and

[14:33] which not to answer. that if you don't

[14:35] take the fifth amendment with regard to

[14:37] any possible criminal charge against

[14:39] you, whether it's planning evidence or

[14:41] burglary, you wave it completely and a

[14:44] good lawyer says to Furman, "Look,

[14:47] you've got to button up and that's the

[14:49] end of it."

[14:50] >> So, if he answers that, it opens a

[14:51] Pandora's box, maybe they can get him

[14:53] back on the stand and then he's in

[14:54] trouble,

[14:54] >> right? The risks are enormous to him.

[14:56] >> All right, Shireen, let me come back to

[14:58] you. What's What's the response? You're

[14:59] in the courtroom every day. What's it

[15:01] like in there? First of all, as the jury

[15:04] hears the evidence of the racial

[15:06] epithets, and secondly, when when the

[15:08] courtroom, not the jury, heard

[15:10] yesterday, Mark Ferman, take the fifth.

[15:12] >> Well, while the jury has been in there,

[15:13] it has been very tense. They have been

[15:15] very focused on this evidence, paying

[15:18] very close attention, concentrating on

[15:21] their note takingaking, writing down

[15:23] everything in the paper. They were

[15:25] really uh intensely studying Kathleen

[15:27] Bell and Natalie Singer. Uh, and

[15:29] yesterday when Christopher Darden was

[15:32] cross-examining Laura Hart McKini, they

[15:34] really had their attention focused on

[15:35] him, which was interesting. Uh, when the

[15:39] tension continued and was heightened

[15:41] when the jury was out of the courtroom

[15:42] and Mark Ferman came in there, it was as

[15:45] if all eyes were on him and I think

[15:48] probably was when that those doors

[15:49] opened and he came back into that

[15:51] courtroom after 7 months and all that

[15:54] we've heard. uh a trial that has had so

[15:56] many dramatic moments and some more

[15:57] yesterday and perhaps even more today as

[16:00] the defense gets very close to resting.

[16:01] Shireen Arthur, thanks very much. It is

[16:03] 11 before the hour. Next, it may have

[16:05] been a night game, but it was Cal

[16:07] Ripken's game. We'll show you baseball

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[18:27] Nine before the hour, Cal Ripken last

[18:29] night became a baseball immortal. The

[18:32] record it was thought would stand for

[18:34] all ages. Lou Garri's 2130 consecutive

[18:36] games is now Cal Ripken's 2131.

[18:40] Last night in Baltimore's Camden Yards

[18:42] was one of those nights that sport

[18:44] should be about.

[18:48] Quite a night, a night of tribute, a

[18:52] night of family, a night of

[18:54] reaffirmation for a game that could use

[18:56] such a night. And you wonder how Cal

[18:58] Ripken could see. Just look at the flash

[19:00] bulbs reflected in his helmet. History

[19:03] was made when the game became official.

[19:05] Game 2,131

[19:08] and the ovation lasted over 20 minutes.

[19:11] It could have gone longer. Cal Ripken

[19:13] had to end it with a victory lap around

[19:15] the stadium.

[19:18] It's nice they did all that because

[19:20] records deserve ceremony when they're

[19:22] broken. It is the game celebrating

[19:25] itself. And no matter how some may try,

[19:28] there's no diminishing Cal Ripken speak.

[19:30] First of all, Ripken is underrated if

[19:32] anything. Most hits in the majors since

[19:35] his streak started, Bogs, Gwyn, then

[19:38] Ripken. Most homers, Murray, Dawson,

[19:42] then Ripken. Most RBIs, Murray, then

[19:46] Ripken. As a fielder, he is the fourth

[19:49] best shortstop ever. Ever. He once went

[19:52] an entire season with just three errors.

[19:55] And that's before you talk durability.

[19:58] 3700 guys, 3,700 ball players have been

[20:02] put on the disabled list since Ripken

[20:04] started playing consecutive games. Cal

[20:07] never caught the flu. If a ball player

[20:09] started a streak last night, he wouldn't

[20:12] surpass Cal's present mark until the

[20:14] year 2008.

[20:16] And that's if Ripken stopped now. But he

[20:19] won't.

[20:20] >> Oh my goodness. He's done it again.

[20:23] >> I'm proud of it because it's my approach

[20:25] to baseball. You have to to be in the

[20:27] lineup every single day. And I think

[20:29] it's important that your teammates can

[20:30] count on you to be in the lineup.

[20:32] >> We all have heroes. I'm 52 years old. My

[20:35] hero is Ripken. He's 35. Today, so many

[20:38] athletes coort in the end zone, rant at

[20:40] officials, snarl at coaches, and refuse

[20:43] to play. That gets them on the cover of

[20:46] national magazines and on the TV

[20:47] highlights. But what's happened to

[20:49] emphasis on words like reliable,

[20:52] dependable, steady, consistent,

[20:54] dedicated? Those should be good words

[20:56] for ball players, plant workers, TV

[20:59] hosts. I was there for games at the

[21:01] beginning, in the middle, near the end

[21:04] of the record-breaker, for games in May,

[21:06] June, July, August, and September of

[21:08] many years. And those games were the

[21:11] ones that typified the streak, one after

[21:13] the other after the other. So take your

[21:15] vows, Ripken. You deserve them. And how

[21:18] nice it will be in coming days. You can

[21:20] play. The streak will go on. And no one

[21:23] will wonder why you play. It'll just be

[21:25] a guy doing his job, getting paid to do

[21:28] what he loves to do for as long as he

[21:31] can.

[21:37] Baseball royalty. Joe Deaggio was there

[21:39] last night. He played with Garrick and

[21:41] said wherever Garrick is, he was tipping

[21:42] his hat to Ripken. Ripken, of course,

[21:44] with his sense of history, homerred

[21:46] driving in the winning run. And oh yeah,

[21:48] Baltimore beat California 4-2. Tomorrow

[21:50] night, game 2132

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[27:23] September 7th, and Calvin Klein is in

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[27:43] >> Indeed. Well, here's what's happening,

[27:44] Joan. In addition to telling you all

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[27:58] >> Details coming up.

[27:59] >> Does that also mean that it stays away

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[28:02] >> Uh, well, just for the moment. Just for

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[28:25] latest news of the morning from Morton

[28:26] Dean. Morton.

[28:27] >> Thank you Charlie. Good morning again

[28:28] everyone. Mark Ferman in court yesterday

[28:30] telling the world but not the jury that

[28:33] he would not now answer questions about

[28:35] his history as a policeman and his role

[28:37] in the OJ Simpson case. He invoked the

[28:40] fifth amendment. Joining us with more on

[28:42] that from Los Angeles is ABC's Bill

[28:45] Ritter. Bill, it was an extraordinary

[28:47] day in this extraordinary trial.

[28:49] >> It sure was, Mort. And another

[28:51] devastating day for the prosecution,

[28:53] right when they really need it the

[28:55] least. What a weird scene though in

[28:56] court. 6 months after he first

[28:58] testified, Mark Ferman, not boldly, but

[29:01] walking inside that court, all

[29:03] conversation stopped. All eyes turned to

[29:05] him. Interestingly, he didn't make eye

[29:07] contact with anybody. One of the first

[29:08] people he addressed and made eye contact

[29:10] with was Judge Ido, whose wife, you'll

[29:12] recall, was thoroughly trashed inside

[29:14] the so-called Ferman tapes by former

[29:16] detective Mark Ferman. Now, absent Mort

[29:19] from that courtroom was Deputy District

[29:21] Attorney Christopher Darden. Uh, he has

[29:24] been in a very difficult position having

[29:25] for all these months having to defend

[29:28] Mark Ferman and arguing really the

[29:30] defense case that the so-called nword

[29:31] and race card should not be played in

[29:33] this trial. We don't know exactly why

[29:35] Darden was not in the courtroom. Perhaps

[29:37] though it was because he did not want to

[29:39] have the humiliation of having one of

[29:41] his star witnesses take the fifth

[29:43] amendment.

[29:45] >> Detective Ferman, did you plant or

[29:47] manufacture any evidence in this case?

[29:51] >> I assert my fifth amendment privilege.

[29:54] >> Uh Mort, the defense could have

[29:56] stipulated to Mark Ferman having said

[29:58] that they didn't have to put him on the

[30:00] stand. A lot of analysts say they wanted

[30:02] him on that stand not for this jury so

[30:04] much, but to play to a possible second

[30:06] jury. They wanted the world to hear Mark

[30:08] Ferman take the fifth amendment.

[30:10] >> Well, the big question, the big battle

[30:11] now is whether Furman will appear before

[30:13] the jury.

[30:15] >> It's unlikely he will appear before the

[30:17] jury. California lawmort says that a

[30:19] jury should not infer anything by a

[30:22] witness taking the fifth amendment.

[30:24] There are some exceptions to that and

[30:25] the defense is going to argue strongly

[30:27] today. We believe that those exceptions

[30:30] should play inside the Simpson case.

[30:32] Analysts don't think Judge Eido will uh

[30:34] will actually abide by that, but it's

[30:36] going to be a strong day in court. The

[30:38] the defense is really going to try to

[30:40] close this case on a strong note.

[30:42] >> Okay, Bill. Thank you. Bill Ritter

[30:43] reporting from Los Angeles. Not since

[30:45] the Civil War has the US Senate expelled

[30:48] one of its members, but that's exactly

[30:50] what the Senate ethics