The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour (PBS) - 1992-08-21 - 2 of 2

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[0:00] in effect is what they're saying. The

[0:01] president of the United States lied to

[0:03] the American people last night. What is

[0:04] this all about?

[0:05] >> Well, I think that's a rather

[0:06] preposterous charge since all of these

[0:08] things are on the record. Uh we did not

[0:11] propose, Governor Clinton proposed a

[0:13] massive tax increase. He proposed a tax

[0:15] increase of $150 billion. It is not we

[0:18] who came up with 128 tax and fee

[0:21] increases in the state of Arkansas. That

[0:23] is taken from the Arkansas state

[0:25] legislature record. That is a Democratic

[0:28] legislature. We simply are reciting the

[0:30] facts as reported by them. Uh if they

[0:33] want to run away from their party, if

[0:34] they want to run away from their

[0:36] Democratic legislature, if they want to

[0:38] uh run away from the $150 billion tax

[0:40] increase that Governor Clinton promised

[0:42] the American people, that's up it's up

[0:44] to them. But I think the important thing

[0:45] here is we have sharply differentiated

[0:48] our approach to leadership in this

[0:50] country from Clinton and the Congress

[0:52] and the Democrats. What we say is let's

[0:54] reduce taxes. If taxers are too high in

[0:57] this country, let's reduce them. That's

[0:59] the way to provide economic incentive.

[1:01] That's the way to create jobs. Secondly,

[1:03] let's balance the budget. Let's reduce

[1:06] unnecessary spending and let's bring the

[1:08] budget into balance over time. The

[1:10] Democrats are saying, Clinton is saying,

[1:13] I promise you, not only the tax

[1:15] increase, the $220 spending increase,

[1:18] and they have no hope of ever bringing

[1:19] the budget into balance.

[1:20] >> So, from your point, y'all's point of

[1:22] view, this is just sharpening the

[1:23] differences. This is not uh uh attacking

[1:27] pres uh uh Governor Clinton in any kind

[1:29] of unfair way.

[1:30] >> That's exactly the way we feel about it.

[1:32] I think the main thing in addition to

[1:34] party unity and momentum that we got out

[1:36] of this convention was a clear

[1:38] sharpening of of the differences I think

[1:40] the American people have before them

[1:42] now. One of the clearest choices they

[1:44] are ever going to have in presidential

[1:46] election. He's right. Excuse me, Mr.

[1:48] Brown. He's right about that. Is he not

[1:49] that? Aren't there differences? Aren't

[1:51] the differences?

[1:52] >> We love the differences. We want the

[1:53] American people to make judgments

[1:55] basically on the issues that concern

[1:57] them most. Jobs and the economy,

[1:59] healthcare and education. Those issues

[2:01] on which George Bush has been a total

[2:03] failure as president of the United

[2:04] States because he hasn't wanted to roll

[2:06] up his sleeves and get his hands dirty

[2:08] dealing with the problems of everyday

[2:10] working men and women and working

[2:11] families. And it's unconscionable to

[2:13] repeat a lie time after time when you

[2:15] know it's a lie. Let me tell you what

[2:17] the facts are. The facts are that Bill

[2:19] Clinton's tax proposal provide for an

[2:22] increase of 1 billion when you net out

[2:25] the tax decreases on middle inome people

[2:28] who need a break and the tax increases

[2:31] on George Bush's friends who have gotten

[2:33] a free ride during the 1980s. It's 11

[2:35] billion. What happened last night was

[2:38] George Bush proposed to the American

[2:40] people increasing the federal deficit by

[2:43] another trillion dollars by the

[2:45] irresponsible things that he said by his

[2:48] deliberate deception between the

[2:50] increase in exemptions the 10% check off

[2:53] a nice cute little thing you just check

[2:55] off if you're not for the federal

[2:56] deficit uh the tax decreases across the

[2:59] board that you check off

[3:01] >> I think it's a cute little gimmick it

[3:03] doesn't do anything it doesn't do

[3:04] anything for it or against it for

[3:07] anything that reduces a deficit.

[3:09] President Bush's record is second worst

[3:11] only to President Reagan as far as

[3:14] building the deficit. Are

[3:15] >> you for it or against?

[3:16] >> I'm criticizing it because it's not

[3:18] substantive. Because it's a game. It's a

[3:21] joke. It's silly. It really It really

[3:23] demeans the intelligence. It demeans the

[3:26] intelligence of the American people.

[3:28] When Ronald Reagan came to Washington,

[3:29] as you know, the federal deficit was a

[3:31] trillion dollars. When he left, it was

[3:33] three trillion. Now it's 4 trillion with

[3:36] conservative Republicans in the White

[3:38] House.

[3:38] >> Let's talk about when Ronald Reagan came

[3:40] to Washington for a minute. When Ronald

[3:42] Reagan came to Washington, the top

[3:44] individual tax rate was 70%.

[3:47] Today, the top tax rate is 31%. Ronald

[3:50] Reagan produces and we had six years of

[3:54] unprecedented backto back economic

[3:57] growth during the 12 years of the Reagan

[3:59] Bush years. 25 million jobs were created

[4:02] in this country. We restored our world

[4:04] leadership. We restored our leadership

[4:06] in exports. We we regained a balance of

[4:10] trade surplus with the economic

[4:11] community in Europe. And and all of

[4:14] these things have been accomplished on a

[4:15] policy of reducing taxes, providing

[4:17] incentives to invest, not increasing

[4:20] taxes. And by the way, you talk about

[4:22] about rich people tax increases. Let's

[4:25] talk about that. What you're really

[4:26] saying here is in the tax increase that

[4:29] Governor Clinton's proposing, 70% of the

[4:31] people who are in that top 2% are small

[4:34] business people or have a significant

[4:36] portion of their income from small

[4:38] business. You're going to penalize small

[4:40] businesses. And by the way, talk about

[4:42] being deceptive. Governor Clinton

[4:44] doesn't admit to and won't step up to

[4:46] the plate and say, "Hey, my pay-per-play

[4:48] health insurance program is going to

[4:50] require an additional 7 to 9% of payroll

[4:52] taxes. It's going to decimate small

[4:54] businesses." That's why small businesses

[4:56] are so afraid of Bill Clinton's plan.

[4:59] >> Are you pleased with George Bush's

[5:00] performance on the economy? Has he been

[5:02] a good president on the economy?

[5:03] >> George Bush has been a phenomenal

[5:05] president on the economy as well as in

[5:07] international affairs. What you know and

[5:09] what every economist worth his salt

[5:11] knows is that the economy works in

[5:13] cycles. It has ups and it has downs.

[5:15] We've had the president doesn't have to

[5:16] do anything. Just let it happen. Don't

[5:18] intervene at all.

[5:19] >> You have a year and a half of recession

[5:20] and we're coming out of that recession

[5:22] not fast enough. We want to move it

[5:24] faster. We want to create jobs, but on

[5:25] one of the things the president can

[5:27] control on the economy is exports. And

[5:29] on exports, we've increased exports over

[5:31] hundred billion dollars, more than 31%

[5:33] since short office.

[5:35] >> Speaking of intervening, let me

[5:36] intervene here a moment. What's wrong

[5:39] with the exchange that the two of you

[5:41] have just had, Mr. Brown?

[5:42] >> Nothing is always wrong with it. As long

[5:44] as we start with facts and not fiction,

[5:46] uh, I think we can have a good debate. I

[5:48] think there are some real differences on

[5:49] economic policy. George Bush is still

[5:51] committed to regonomics. He's still

[5:53] committed to trickle down economics. The

[5:56] misguided economic theory that somehow

[5:58] if you get the rich rich enough uh those

[6:00] resources will trickle down to everybody

[6:02] else.

[6:03] It doesn't work.

[6:04] >> So that's where you would say the

[6:06] difference is the main difference is in

[6:07] the economic policy between Governor

[6:09] Clinton and President Bush.

[6:10] >> We want to deal directly with middle

[6:12] inome people, with the middle class,

[6:13] with ordinary working people. They still

[6:15] want to deal with the wealthy.

[6:17] >> Is that is that is that fair?

[6:19] >> No, it's not. Because if they have their

[6:20] way, if they raise the kind of taxes

[6:22] they're going to raise, they're going to

[6:24] cost jobs. If they raise health, if they

[6:27] go to play or pay health insurance and

[6:29] those payroll taxes go into effect,

[6:30] they're going to cost hundreds of

[6:31] thousands of jobs. Let me tell you

[6:32] something. I came out of the private

[6:34] sector. I spent most of my life creating

[6:37] jobs as a businessman. I was president

[6:39] of one of the largest hotel chains in

[6:41] the country. During the Reagan years,

[6:43] with the tax cuts going from from 70% to

[6:46] 28% before they went back up to 31.

[6:49] During those years, we created some

[6:51] 30,000 jobs by building new hotels. And

[6:54] these are entry levelvel jobs. We are

[6:56] these are jobs that people from the

[6:58] inner cities around the country aspire

[7:00] to and have an opportunity for

[7:01] advancement. And and and we did it

[7:03] because there were incentives. There

[7:05] were incentives to invest. And we had

[7:07] developers around the country, investors

[7:09] around the country coming forth and and

[7:11] and and and investing and that's what

[7:13] creates jobs. It's not taxing people

[7:15] more that's going to create jobs.

[7:16] >> Do you all you and and Governor Clinton

[7:19] reject that idea that that in that but

[7:22] in certain increasing investment also

[7:24] increases the number of jobs

[7:25] >> absolutely believes in incentives

[7:27] investment incentives. His economic plan

[7:29] is full of that. Democrats in the

[7:31] Congress uh put on President Bush's desk

[7:35] seven of the eight things he asked for

[7:37] in the State of the Union address,

[7:39] including many incentives for investment

[7:41] to get our economy back on track. Why

[7:43] did George Bush veto that plan? He

[7:45] vetoed that plan because it called for

[7:47] tax increases on the wealthy and tax

[7:50] reduction for the middle class. That was

[7:52] the only difference in what George Bush

[7:54] wanted and what he got from the

[7:56] Congress. Let's go specifically to this

[7:58] uh the last four days in Houston. Just

[8:00] politically, uh Mr. Brown, uh what kind

[8:03] of bounce do you expect the president?

[8:05] >> I'm sure that the president's going to

[8:06] get some bounce. We expected it. I was

[8:08] saying

[8:09] >> now why why are you expecting?

[8:10] >> Because he's had a lot of exposure this

[8:11] year because they took a lot of uh a

[8:13] really silly petty knocks at uh at Bill

[8:16] Clinton and Bill Clinton's wife. Next,

[8:18] they're going to be attacking his mother

[8:19] and his child probably. We need to hear

[8:22] about George Bush's vision for the

[8:23] future. uh not petty attacks on uh on

[8:26] Bill Clinton.

[8:26] >> Why does that work?

[8:28] >> It works because the American people are

[8:29] are pounded with it and bombarded with

[8:31] it for four consecutive days. They got a

[8:33] bounce. I don't think as much bounce as

[8:35] as Bill Clinton uh got out of our

[8:37] convention. It's because the American

[8:38] people already know George Bush. They're

[8:40] already disappointed in George Bush on

[8:42] his economic performance. Uh he had an

[8:44] opportunity to say what he's going to do

[8:45] different, how he's going to change.

[8:47] That's what we failed to hear during

[8:49] that convention.

[8:50] >> What What do you all anticipate on a

[8:52] bounce? Uh Mr. Well, I realize this word

[8:54] bounce has now become the code word for

[8:56] not code word for anything. It's a real

[8:58] world word world for word word for what

[9:00] happens after a convention, but what do

[9:01] you hope for that way?

[9:03] >> It's it's kind of hard to specify a

[9:04] number, Jim. Uh this this whole bounce

[9:06] series is so much overplayed. I think

[9:08] sure we're going to get uh some

[9:10] improvement and Clinton Gore clearly got

[9:13] a huge bounce out of their convention in

[9:14] New York. Well, they had they had an

[9:16] unusual situation where at at the very

[9:18] height of their convention, uh one-third

[9:20] of the electorate was put at sea when

[9:22] when Ross Perau dropped out and and that

[9:25] they did get an unusually big bounce. As

[9:27] we look at it, we're sure we're looking

[9:28] for an improvement in the polls and

[9:29] everything we've seen so far would

[9:31] indicate that we did get quite a quite

[9:33] an improvement in the polls. But I think

[9:34] the important thing we wanted to do at

[9:36] our convention was to build unity uh to

[9:38] get momentum going our way and to really

[9:40] sharpen the difference on the issues and

[9:42] let the American people know how we

[9:45] differ from Bill Clinton on the issue.

[9:47] And we think that's what's going to help

[9:48] help take this momentum into the fall

[9:50] and give us a victory. What do you what

[9:52] do you how do you respond to Mr. Brown's

[9:54] point that much of it uh well you I

[9:57] won't I won't repeat you heard what he

[9:59] said about the petty attacks on on the

[10:01] governor and his wife and

[10:03] >> well I don't think I don't think it's

[10:04] petty uh to sharpen the issues which is

[10:08] exactly what George Bush did last night.

[10:10] I don't think it's petty at all to use

[10:12] rhetoric in order to highlight what an

[10:14] opponent is calling for and to to

[10:16] articulate the futility and and the

[10:18] wrongness of what an opponent is calling

[10:20] for. And what George Bush did last night

[10:23] is he he clearly illustrated where he

[10:26] stood on the economy and the future of

[10:27] the economy. Uh he contrasted his

[10:30] position of reducing taxes and balancing

[10:33] the budget with the governor's approach

[10:35] which would raise taxes and and and

[10:38] George Bush's approach by the way unlike

[10:40] what Ron Brown is trying trying to say

[10:42] here. He's calling for an acrosstheboard

[10:44] tax cut which would affect middle class

[10:47] tax.

[10:47] >> Let's be let's be specific. Uh Mr.

[10:49] Brown, what did the president say in his

[10:51] speech last night that was a petty

[10:52] attack on Governor Clinton and his

[10:54] family?

[10:54] >> Oh, I think this uh blow dryer kind of

[10:57] talk and the silly things, the kind of

[10:59] things we heard on the uh on the clip

[11:01] that you had from his speech in Gulport,

[11:02] Mr. Really below a president. You mean

[11:05] the Elvis thing?

[11:05] >> Yes. All all the silly kinds of joke

[11:07] things. The future of America is at

[11:09] stake. This is not silly about silly

[11:12] joking rhetoric. This is about laying

[11:14] out a plan for the future. And and Fred

[11:16] talks about the unity in the Republican

[11:17] party. Do you believe in this kind of

[11:19] cultural purity uh that uh that some of

[11:22] your speakers were calling for that

[11:24] appalled many of Republicans I've talked

[11:26] to people like Bill Weld and others were

[11:28] running away from that kind of talk that

[11:30] tears at the very fabric of

[11:32] >> Well, but Ryan I think the difference

[11:33] but between our convention and yours and

[11:35] by the way you ran a wonderful con

[11:37] convention. I take my hat off to you for

[11:38] that. It was well orchestrated. The only

[11:40] problem was the content of what your

[11:42] speakers were saying. At our convention

[11:43] though speakers of all stripe were

[11:46] allowed to speak. people who were

[11:47] pro-choice, people who had different

[11:48] points of view. We didn't exclude

[11:50] anybody. You excluded the governor of

[11:52] Pennsylvania because he wanted to give a

[11:53] speech that was different from your

[11:55] platform. First, let me let me clarify

[11:56] the first. That's not true, Fred. Let me

[11:57] tell you. Well, he didn't. Let me tell

[11:59] you what the facts are. I said before

[12:01] the convention started that everybody at

[12:03] the podium would be someone who had

[12:05] endorsed Bill Clinton for president. At

[12:07] that time, Governor Bob Casey had not

[12:08] endorsed Bill Clinton. The fact that he

[12:10] didn't speak had nothing to do with his

[12:12] position on choice. other other

[12:15] non-choice spokes speakers were at the

[12:17] podium. Ray Flynn is against choice. He

[12:19] was at the podium. So, it had nothing to

[12:21] do with his position on choice. That is

[12:23] Miss Gate stated.

[12:24] >> Well, all I know is the governor wrote a

[12:26] very passionate article in in a leading

[12:27] publication since he didn't get to

[12:29] speak. But

[12:29] >> gentlemen, you all have just proved the

[12:31] point that uh that we started with going

[12:33] to be an interesting what is it how many

[12:34] days now till

[12:35] >> I think it's 75.

[12:36] >> 75. Thank you both very much.

[12:38] >> Thank you.

[12:40] Still ahead on the NewsHour, regional

[12:42] editors Gurgen and Shields and a Somalia

[12:45] update.

[12:56] We turn now to an analysis of the week's

[12:58] event in Houston and their impact on the

[13:00] election with our regular panel of

[13:02] editors. They are Lee Cullum of the

[13:05] Dallas Morning News, Irwin Null of the

[13:07] Progressive Magazine in Madison,

[13:09] Wisconsin, Jerry Warren of the San Diego

[13:11] Union Tribune, Cynthia Tucker of the

[13:14] Atlanta Constitution, Clarence Page of

[13:16] the Chicago Tribune, who joins us

[13:18] tonight from Detroit, and Ed Bowmeister

[13:20] of the Trenton, New Jersey Times. We're

[13:22] also going to hear from Gurgen and

[13:24] Shields, David Gurgen, editor at large

[13:26] of US News and World Report. He joins us

[13:28] tonight from Denver. Syndicated

[13:30] columnist Mark Shields is in Washington.

[13:32] Terren Paige, let's go back to last

[13:34] night in Houston. What did you think of

[13:36] the president's big speech?

[13:38] >> I thought it was a very political speech

[13:41] uh and successful uh to the degree that

[13:43] it put him back in the game. Uh

[13:45] successful in that it offered

[13:47] reassurances to those people who want to

[13:49] vote for George Bush, but uh were having

[13:52] uh misgivings of late that he really had

[13:55] any kind of a program, that he had any

[13:56] kind of stamina for the fight. Uh I

[13:59] think Ron Brown is right. However, it

[14:01] was full of theatrics and short on truth

[14:05] uh short on on on a factual accounting

[14:07] of uh Bill Clinton. It was overblown. Uh

[14:11] that's politics. We expect that. But I

[14:13] certainly expect now to see kind of a

[14:15] Frank Capra sort of a uh sort a Frank

[14:18] Capra movie sort of campaign shaping up.

[14:21] uh uh Bill Clinton and George Bush

[14:23] stomping around the country, pounding

[14:25] their fists and pointing the fingers at

[14:27] each other and calling on America to

[14:29] join them in a fight against the other.

[14:32] It's going to be a tough, rough

[14:33] campaign. It's going to be below the

[14:35] belt sometime.

[14:36] >> Jerry Warren, what did you think of the

[14:37] president's speech?

[14:39] >> I thought it was a very good speech,

[14:40] Robin. Uh I think it accomplished, as

[14:43] Clint said, what Mr. Bush set out to do,

[14:46] which was to answer most of the

[14:48] questions about him that had been raised

[14:51] both within the party and without. And

[14:53] from that standpoint, I think it was

[14:54] very successful. I think he also clearly

[14:57] defined the differences between the

[15:00] Republican party and the Democratic

[15:01] party and how each party plans to take

[15:05] this nation forward.

[15:07] >> Cynthia Tucker, what's your what did you

[15:09] think of the speech? Well, I thought

[15:10] that the one thing that President Bush's

[15:12] speech did not do is tell us how he

[15:15] plans to take the nation forward. I

[15:17] thought he did very well in establishing

[15:20] himself as a figure of trust. I thought

[15:23] the first part of his speech was devoted

[15:25] to that. He did very well. He did well

[15:28] when he brought up his military

[15:29] background, his foreign policy

[15:31] experience, but I thought he did not

[15:33] establish himself as an agent of change.

[15:36] Let me just say one quick thing about

[15:38] what Clarence Page just said. I am

[15:40] reassured if Clarence thinks that the

[15:43] campaign will be like a Frank Capra

[15:45] movie because I envision those as

[15:47] romantic and sentiment sentimental. I

[15:50] think it'll be hateful and bitter and

[15:51] divisive. At least that's what I fear.

[15:54] >> Uh Edmos, what did you think of the

[15:55] speech and did the president say

[15:58] adequately you deserve what Cynthia

[15:59] Tucker said what he would do about the

[16:01] economy?

[16:02] >> I don't think so. I hate to be

[16:04] contrarian, but he didn't seem entirely

[16:06] comfortable with the speech. I mean, he

[16:08] he clearly been well rehearsed. He

[16:10] looked a little over rehearsed. Uh it

[16:12] didn't seem uh a matter of presidential

[16:16] dignity sometimes when he took these

[16:17] sort of uh maybe you call him low pokes

[16:20] at at his uh at his opponent. And if I

[16:23] were to try to write a lead on it after

[16:25] it in the economics department, I would

[16:27] have a very hard time. And across the

[16:28] board tax cut and spending cuts, meaning

[16:32] what? cutting where raising uh cutting

[16:34] where in the spending and cutting where

[16:35] in the taxes

[16:36] >> Lee Cullum, how did you like the speech

[16:38] and was the economic package coherent to

[16:41] you?

[16:42] >> Robin, I thought the speech was very

[16:44] successful. I think the president

[16:46] accomplished what he had to accomplish.

[16:48] He looked very fit. He sounded strong

[16:50] and I think he projected himself as a

[16:52] leader prepared to govern for another

[16:54] four years. Incidentally, I've been

[16:55] hearing very good remarks today about

[16:57] Vice President Quail's speech, too.

[16:59] People are saying he did better than

[17:00] he's ever done before. As for the

[17:02] economics of the speech, it's clear to

[17:05] me that George Bush really believes in a

[17:08] less a fair steady as she goes approach

[17:10] to the economy. He doesn't want to do

[17:12] very much. He doesn't want to stimulate

[17:13] it. That's why he would have cuts in

[17:16] spending to match the tax cuts. He

[17:18] brought up capital gains. He he brought

[17:20] up matters that he has been bringing up

[17:22] for quite some time, including his most

[17:24] recent state of the union address. So I

[17:26] would say for me there was not much new

[17:28] economically but I think he truly

[17:30] doesn't believe in doing much more to

[17:32] the economy.

[17:33] >> Winwin Noah what was your reaction?

[17:35] >> I think the convention as a whole and

[17:37] the president's speech in particular was

[17:40] a a depressing and painful spectacle.

[17:43] What what depressed and pained me was

[17:46] the assumption by President Bush and his

[17:49] speech writers, his handlers, that this

[17:51] kind of empty rhetoric and and often

[17:55] viciously empty rhetoric would sit well

[17:58] with the American people. And what

[18:00] troubles me even more is the possibility

[18:02] that they may be right about that. I

[18:05] thought that the president pulled out

[18:07] every cheap shot in the book, as did the

[18:10] other speakers at the convention. And I

[18:12] couldn't understand, for example, the

[18:15] gratuitous slur at Governor Cuomo of New

[18:18] York, who isn't, after all, running for

[18:21] uh president or vice president. I

[18:23] couldn't understand a lot of the purely

[18:26] nasty, vicious, mean-spirited,

[18:30] hostile rhetoric that went down all week

[18:33] long except as an exercise in purifying

[18:37] the political landscape in America and

[18:40] banishing as unamerican anyone who

[18:44] didn't share the narrow and pinched view

[18:47] of the extreme right that has taken over

[18:50] the Republican party. Jerry Warren, what

[18:53] what is your view of that? Has the

[18:54] extreme right taken over the Republican

[18:56] party? And is that what this convention

[18:58] represented?

[18:59] >> I don't think it is at all. I think uh

[19:01] Mr. Bush was speaking directly to the

[19:04] center of the American political

[19:06] spectrum when he talked about the need

[19:08] to reduce the size of government. That

[19:11] is not a right-wing conservative view.

[19:14] That is a view held by the center. The

[19:16] idea that that you can get by in this

[19:20] new economy by just adding jobs and

[19:24] cutting taxes on the rich is crazy. You

[19:27] have to cut spending and Mr. Bush made

[19:30] that very very clear. I don't think

[19:31] there was anything wrong with that. I

[19:33] think he was speaking directly to the

[19:35] middle of the country.

[19:36] >> I saw Jerry Warren. I saw a quote by

[19:39] Kevin Phillips today in USA Today and he

[19:42] said this was the most right-wing

[19:44] convention and platform since 1964 the

[19:47] the Goldwater convention. You've been to

[19:49] a lot of Republican conventions. What do

[19:50] you what's your view of that?

[19:52] >> It it could be uh that the right-wing

[19:55] dominated the uh platform. But you see,

[19:58] I've never really put much stock in the

[20:00] platform. I've never thought the

[20:01] platform was was that important or that

[20:04] worth much worth fighting for. I think

[20:06] what comes out of the president's mouth

[20:08] or the candidates's mouth is a lot more

[20:10] important.

[20:11] >> Clarence Paige, what did you feel on on

[20:13] what Irwin Nolles and Jerry Warren have

[20:15] just been discussing the the right-wing

[20:17] nature of the

[20:19] >> Well, most years most years I would

[20:21] agree with Jerry Warren as a platform

[20:22] that's not that important. But this

[20:24] year, knowing the Clinton campaign and

[20:26] and and uh their machine, I don't doubt

[20:28] that they're going to use that platform.

[20:30] And it is a right-wing platform, Jerry.

[20:33] I mean, the abortion plank is to the

[20:35] right, not only of Ronald Reagan and

[20:37] George Bush, but also of Pat Robertson,

[20:39] who who believes there should be

[20:40] exceptions in cases of rape and incest.

[20:43] This plank allows no exceptions. It's a

[20:45] uh that plank was given over to the

[20:47] right of the party, very much like the

[20:49] Goldwater faction took over in ' 64 and

[20:51] then Lyndon Johnson used that extremism

[20:54] against the party in the campaign. I

[20:57] think Clinton's going to use it this

[20:58] year. And uh I'm sorry I was frightened

[21:01] by Pat Buchanan's speech. I've worked

[21:03] with Pat Buchanan on the Mlaughlin group

[21:06] and found to be a decent enough fellow,

[21:08] but you don't really know somebody till

[21:09] they run for president. Um that speech

[21:11] bordered on neo-Nazism and its bigotry.

[21:13] And believe me, people in the middle

[21:15] ground in this country were scared to

[21:17] death of it. I think uh the party's

[21:18] playing with fire.

[21:20] >> How did you feel about that, Lee Cullum,

[21:22] sitting in Dallas about the uh what

[21:24] Karen Pitch just said,

[21:26] >> Robin? I was very troubled by the tone

[21:28] of the convention. I thought last night

[21:30] was the first night that it looked like

[21:32] a party prepared to govern the country.

[21:34] Uh Pat Buchanan's speech was crude. It

[21:37] was vulgar. It set a vicious tone for

[21:40] the rest of the convention. Uh and

[21:41] certainly on Tuesday night, it seemed to

[21:43] me that Congressman Gingrich repeated

[21:45] the same tone. It was very disturbing.

[21:47] It was insulting. And I hope the

[21:49] Republican party thinks twice before it

[21:52] stands on this platform. Let me come

[21:55] back to the um the economic plan that so

[21:58] many of the commentaries before he made

[22:00] the uh the speech last night said that

[22:02] he would have to and including many

[22:04] Republicans said he had to say what he

[22:06] was going to do about the economy. Ed

[22:07] Bowmeister, does his package of tax cuts

[22:10] and the um and the spending freeze add

[22:13] up to an effective program to answer

[22:15] that need? Do you think I mean

[22:18] politically I'm talking about

[22:19] >> politically? Probably it was he had to

[22:21] do something in that direction. and he

[22:23] was he had painted himself into this

[22:24] corner the these years of

[22:26] >> Was it an effective answer to that need?

[22:29] it it's not so much whether the answer

[22:31] was effective but whether the uh the man

[22:34] giving the answer is believable as agent

[22:37] of it and and I think he has an enormous

[22:39] read my lips problem that he said uh

[22:43] four years ago read my lips and taxes

[22:45] did go up the economy got worse people

[22:48] don't have uh at least in my neck of the

[22:50] words have confidence that he is the

[22:51] agent of the change necessary to improve

[22:53] the economy so I think it's not so much

[22:55] the program itself but but the man

[22:58] proposing it.

[22:58] >> Yeah, Cynthia Tucker,

[23:00] >> I agree with Ed. I don't think it's

[23:02] enough in part because the president

[23:04] does have a problem whenever he talks

[23:06] about cutting taxes. I also think it's

[23:09] true that he wasn't explicit enough

[23:12] about how he would create jobs in places

[23:15] where people are out of work. It's not

[23:18] enough to say he would cut their taxes.

[23:21] They don't have an income to start with.

[23:22] Cutting their taxes just doesn't do very

[23:24] much for him. So, I thought he needed to

[23:27] be much more explicit about how he would

[23:29] create jobs.

[23:31] >> Let me uh bring in David Gurgen and Mark

[23:34] Shields. Uh David in uh in Denver,

[23:37] having heard what our editors say, what

[23:39] is your considered view of uh how Mr.

[23:41] Bush comes out of the convention?

[23:44] >> Well, Robin, I think in in retrospect

[23:46] that we I think we can all recognize

[23:47] that this was not the Gettysburg

[23:48] address. Uh it did however serve a

[23:51] political purpose and as a political

[23:52] document I think it worked well for the

[23:54] president. Uh the first poll out of the

[23:57] box one that came out just a few minutes

[23:58] ago from CBS shows that the president is

[24:01] now three points behind Clinton at least

[24:03] in the overnights. Uh that suggests that

[24:05] the Republicans have had a substantial

[24:07] bounce from the speech and from the

[24:09] convention. As a governing document I

[24:11] think that the uh what the president put

[24:13] on the table was much less effective.

[24:15] For instance, the tax check off that he

[24:17] proposed. That's an idea that the

[24:19] administration itself opposed uh as

[24:22] recently as May. It was against that

[24:23] idea and now it's on the table as

[24:25] something for the future. The notion of

[24:27] a of a general tax cut. Uh I don't think

[24:30] that that's in its present form a very

[24:32] serious proposal. It's a secret plan to

[24:33] cut taxes. We'll be told more about it

[24:35] after the election. But as as it's been

[24:37] presented, the notion seems to be that a

[24:40] tax cut would be paid for by spending

[24:42] cuts and the spending cut would come out

[24:43] of Medicare and Medicaid. I think it's

[24:45] going to be very difficult to convince

[24:46] any Congress, this one or the next one,

[24:49] that the way to that what we ought to do

[24:50] is to increase fees for Medicare and

[24:53] Medicaid on the elderly so that we can

[24:55] in order to pay for tax cuts for the

[24:56] rest of the population. So, I think as a

[24:58] governing document, it left a lot to be

[25:00] desired, but I think as a political

[25:01] document, uh the president's speech last

[25:03] night was effective. It was forceful. It

[25:05] did draw differences with with Governor

[25:07] Clinton.

[25:07] >> Will it be effective, Mark Shields, in

[25:10] bringing back into the fold? Are is the

[25:13] recent poll evidence that it is

[25:15] effective in bringing back into the uh

[25:17] into the fold the Reagan Democrats who

[25:20] are the principal strayers from the from

[25:23] the Republicans. Mark,

[25:24] >> well, they are the principal strayers,

[25:26] Robin. I I think that the primary

[25:28] concern for the Bush campaign was not so

[25:30] much the Reagan Democrats at this point

[25:32] as it was, I'd call the Clinton

[25:34] Republicans. Uh up to a quarter of the

[25:37] Republicans had strayed and were already

[25:39] over in Bill Clinton's column. they've

[25:41] come home and I think early evidence to

[25:43] suggest that they've done a pretty good

[25:44] job of energizing the Republican base

[25:46] then that will have been a success. I

[25:48] think that when you talk about the

[25:49] battleground states that both parties

[25:51] concede right now, Michigan, Ohio,

[25:54] Illinois, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey,

[25:57] that you're talking about Reagan

[25:58] Democrats, Nixon Democrats, Wallace

[26:00] Democrats, Clinton Republicans, that

[26:02] that's where it's going to be. What

[26:04] would you guess, Mark, if they are if

[26:07] the polls are beginning to close as they

[26:09] uh and the race tighten as they suggest

[26:12] is is doing it? Which of the themes that

[26:15] came out of the Republican convention is

[26:18] the effective one? Or is it a

[26:20] combination of all of them? The f great

[26:22] stress on family values, the attacks on

[26:25] Clinton uh and or the uh the president's

[26:29] own proposals. Well, I don't think the

[26:31] president's proposals have contributed

[26:33] to any uptick in his his numbers at this

[26:35] point. I I I agree with David's

[26:38] assessment of it as a as a governmental

[26:39] document, and I think it will not stand

[26:41] up to intense scrutiny over a sustained

[26:44] period of time. I I think the

[26:45] president's message is a pretty

[26:47] straightforward one. I won the war and

[26:48] the other guys are bummed and that was

[26:50] that was it all week long. Uh they uh

[26:54] they say over and over again the economy

[26:56] is the dominant issue, the central issue

[26:58] to Republicans, for the nation, to all

[26:59] Americans. And yet we really heard

[27:02] precious little about the economy until

[27:03] the last night.

[27:04] >> Well, if it is if it is the dominant

[27:06] issue, David, what and it wasn't

[27:09] addressed till the last night. Why have

[27:10] the polls closed so rapidly? It must be

[27:12] the other things, family values and

[27:14] attacks on the Clintons.

[27:16] >> I think the attacks on the Democrats

[27:17] have helped the Republicans a good deal,

[27:19] Rob. And I think that's what we're going

[27:20] to have on both sides now. Uh and the

[27:22] president said it today in his speeches.

[27:24] You know, he in the end I think the

[27:25] Republicans want to make this very much

[27:28] uh a race very much like what we saw in

[27:30] Britain a few months ago. And that is

[27:32] the conservatives were behind there

[27:34] behind the party of the left, the Labor

[27:36] Party until right at the end. And and

[27:37] they won the election by arguing, look,

[27:40] uh things may not be great now, but if

[27:42] you vote for Labor, they could get a lot

[27:44] worse. And the conservatives won that

[27:45] election. And I think that's very much

[27:46] what the Republicans are in effect

[27:48] saying. We think we can make things

[27:50] better, but if you vote for these guys,

[27:51] you're trusting the wrong fellows. You

[27:53] can't trust them and things will get a

[27:54] lot worse. And they hope to pull it out

[27:55] that way. And I think they have a chance

[27:57] of doing it.

[27:57] >> Lee Cullum, what do you think out of the

[27:59] convention that you watched on

[28:01] television is causing the polls to move

[28:03] so rapidly.

[28:05] >> Robin, I spoke with an official of the

[28:08] Lance Terren Group in Houston yesterday.

[28:10] He's been working with Celinda Lake,

[28:12] who's a Clinton pollster, putting

[28:13] together uh some figures, and they began

[28:16] to take polls last weekend. They

[28:18] continued Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.

[28:20] And by Wednesday in their poll, the

[28:22] president was within five points of

[28:24] Governor Clinton. So that was before the

[28:27] president had even spoken. I think that

[28:29] Ronald Reagan was enormously helpful.

[28:31] His speech was wellreceived. Uh it

[28:34] brought back the grand old days of the

[28:36] early 80s and I think that was

[28:37] enormously helpful. I hear people saying

[28:39] that that the voters watched and they

[28:41] remembered why they had voted Republican

[28:43] in the first place. And I think there's

[28:44] some truth in that. I also think that

[28:47] the attacks on the Clintons were

[28:48] devastatingly affected whether they were

[28:50] fair or not.

[28:51] >> Ed Balmeister family values Reagan's uh

[28:54] presence remind him of the Reagan great

[28:56] Reagan years or tax on the Clinton. What

[28:59] would be causing out of the phenomenon

[29:01] of the Republican convention? What would

[29:03] be causing the polls to close?

[29:05] >> I just think the fact that you're you're

[29:07] you're there all the time during these

[29:09] conventions. You know, they say in

[29:10] Variety, the trade uh magazine, the show

[29:13] business, a knock is as good as a boost.

[29:15] He was on. He was on. They were on. The

[29:17] Clintons did take it. U husband and

[29:20] wife. Uh I think those were the things.

[29:23] I can't imagine that the specifics of

[29:25] the of the promises did it because I

[29:28] think they're if they're there, they're

[29:29] hard to digest.

[29:30] >> Well, also they were only made last

[29:31] night and very few of these. Jerry

[29:33] Warren, how do you explain this closing

[29:35] of the polls? What factors from the

[29:37] Republican convention would you would

[29:39] you point to?

[29:41] Well, I agree that the Reagan speech was

[29:43] very powerful. You see, what happened

[29:45] was that Mr. Bush was very silent during

[29:48] the the Democratic convention when uh

[29:51] Mr. Clinton and Mr. Gore uh effectively

[29:55] painted Mr. Bush as a man who had

[29:57] singlehandedly brought America to its

[30:00] knees and destroyed its future and its

[30:02] promise. Reagan began to tell us that's

[30:05] not true. It is still mourning in

[30:07] America. And then Mr. Bush came on at

[30:09] the end of the convention and talked

[30:11] about a sunrise, not a sunset. Yes,

[30:14] there's a yearning in America, but

[30:16] America is still strong and vibrant and

[30:18] can do this job. I think a lot of that

[30:21] had an effect on the voters, on the

[30:23] people who are answering these polls.

[30:25] So, Bush and the Republican party had

[30:28] their opportunity to redefine themselves

[30:31] and the voters like that.

[30:33] >> Win no, let's go around all of you.

[30:35] Start with you, Irwin. No. What do you

[30:37] say? What kind of campaign do you see

[30:40] this being and on what ground for the

[30:43] next 75 days? Well,

[30:44] >> I think it'll be a very dirty campaign,

[30:46] a nasty campaign. It won't be terribly

[30:49] effective in exploring the issues

[30:51] because as as feeble as the president's

[30:55] program is, the Democrats don't have

[30:57] much better program, especially when it

[30:59] comes to the economy and also when it

[31:02] comes to a lot of other issues. So, it's

[31:03] going to be slugged out on the ugly

[31:06] issues on personalities. I was intrigued

[31:09] that that Pat Buchanan actually declared

[31:12] a cultural war on Monday. You know,

[31:15] that's that's a German term. That's the

[31:17] cultur comp that the Nazis based their

[31:20] strategy on. And I don't think in

[31:24] drawing that analogy,

[31:25] >> didn't he say religious war? I thought I

[31:27] thought

[31:27] >> religious and cultural.

[31:29] >> Yeah. Yeah. Cynthia Tucker, what do you

[31:32] look for in the campaign ahead now that

[31:34] everything is much more clearly defined?

[31:36] >> Well, unfortunately, I have to agree

[31:39] that it will be a very divisive and

[31:41] bitter campaign. I think that the

[31:44] Clinton camp will try to continually

[31:47] shift the topic back to the economy.

[31:51] That is their strong suit, they believe.

[31:53] But I think the Bush camp on the other

[31:55] hand will try continuously to shift it

[31:58] back to character issues. Also,

[32:00] unhappily, I have to think uh I have to

[32:03] say that I believe that the blame game

[32:05] still works. I think that's one of the

[32:07] reasons that the poll numbers have

[32:09] closed so quickly for the president that

[32:12] the blame game still works. Pat Buchanan

[32:15] did in fact say we must take back our

[32:18] cities. We must take back our culture.

[32:20] We must take back our country. And I

[32:23] think unhappily that still works for a

[32:26] lot of people. Let's drive away all

[32:28] those others. And I think that works

[32:30] especially with a lot of white males who

[32:33] are skeptical about the Bush

[32:35] administration.

[32:36] >> Does it bal?

[32:37] >> I think so. I think you're going to see

[32:38] unfortunately a lot of campaigning

[32:40] against homosexuals and working women

[32:42] because it works there. It that that

[32:44] represents those two things represent

[32:47] change that a lot of people don't like.

[32:48] And I think they saw it work. I think

[32:50] it's part of the bounce and alas alas I

[32:52] think we'll see much more of it

[32:54] >> and you Clarence Page finally what do

[32:55] you think that this is going to be more

[32:57] effective in bringing uh people back to

[33:00] the Republican camp than talk about

[33:01] jobs?

[33:02] >> I think it's going to be a very

[33:03] theatrical campaign because it's hard to

[33:06] talk about economics in a in a sexy way

[33:08] that's going to really grab the hearts

[33:10] of voters. Obviously we can tell by the

[33:12] polls that support for both these

[33:13] candidates is soft as as as Mark Shields

[33:17] might say. They're both a couple of bums

[33:18] in the eyes of uh of a large chunk of

[33:20] voters out there. So, George Bush is

[33:22] going to behave like Harry Truman in

[33:24] 1948. Uh Bill Clint, you know, rolled up

[33:26] shirt sleeves, pounding that podium.

[33:28] Bill Clinton's going to behave kind of

[33:30] like Mr. Smith going to Washington,

[33:32] leaving all the kind and good and

[33:33] righteous in the world. And there will

[33:35] be little islands of sober debate at the

[33:38] debates. Uh other than that, it's going

[33:40] to be a very theatrical campaign. These

[33:42] are two very media savvy candidates.

[33:44] Well, gentlemen and Lee and Cynthia,

[33:47] thank you all for joining us. Jim,

[33:57] believe it or not, there is more going

[33:59] on in the world right now than American

[34:01] presidential politics. And we close this

[34:04] week with a reminder of that fact. An

[34:06] update report on the dime from

[34:09] starvation and civil war in the African

[34:11] nation of Somalia. Jeremy Thompson of

[34:14] Independent Television News reports the

[34:16] pictures are again graphic and could be

[34:18] upsetting to some viewers.

[34:22] >> The emaciated body of Isach Hassandur

[34:25] starved to death at the age of 10.

[34:29] No display of grief. His family were

[34:31] already dead. the briefest of rituals

[34:35] before his body was carted away.

[34:40] BOA's body wagon was on its twice daily

[34:43] rounds. A macab almost medieval scene as

[34:46] the undertakers called on communities to

[34:49] bring out their dead. Every collection

[34:52] ever more harrowing.

[35:01] Over 200 are dying each day in Bidoa, a

[35:04] town reduced to little more than a

[35:06] scrapyard after a year of civil war. Yet

[35:09] still they keep coming. A trail of

[35:11] walking dead in a desperate search for

[35:14] food.

[35:16] Vast squatter camps have sprung up.

[35:18] Pathetic shelters of rags and twigs full

[35:21] of stick-like people.

[35:24] >> You could literally see the life

[35:26] draining away from them.

[35:42] These widows pleaded for us to help.

[35:46] Habiba Ali told me, "We are dying of

[35:48] hunger. We have no hope.

[35:53] Disease has now compounded the horror of

[35:56] starvation.

[35:59] Sickness pervades this town of misery.

[36:05] For tens of thousands, their entire

[36:07] existence revolves around the relief

[36:09] feeding kitchens.

[36:11] With empty bowls, they wait listlessly

[36:14] for a single meal of rice.

[36:17] The water was boiling for hours with

[36:20] still no sign of food.

[36:24] 150 mi away at Moadishu port, relief

[36:27] agencies are working round the clock to

[36:29] try and bring in more food amid constant

[36:31] danger. Security is a nightmare with

[36:34] heavily armed rival gangs competing for

[36:37] control of the port.

[36:39] Almost every day here there are now

[36:41] incidents of looting with food going

[36:43] missing before it can even leave this

[36:45] harbor area.

[36:47] >> Once a week people die in this port over

[36:49] rice.

[36:50] >> You were saying you had some looted

[36:52] yesterday? I think we lost 100 ton of

[36:55] food yesterday.

[36:57] >> And this is where it all ends up. At a

[36:59] market just half a mile from the port,

[37:02] we found tons of looted food openly on

[37:05] sale. The world's donations for the

[37:07] hungry disappearing into a black economy

[37:10] of the greedy.

[37:12] There was cooking oil from Germany, maze

[37:14] from Argentina, rice from Pakistan.

[37:19] Food is power and relief the only

[37:21] business left in Somalia. The dreadful

[37:24] irony is that those with guns and money

[37:27] can acquire almost anything they want

[37:29] with callous disregard for a million and

[37:31] a half fellow Somali who are starving to

[37:34] death.

[37:36] The only authority here is gun law.

[37:39] Roaming the streets, rival gangs from

[37:41] dozens of clan factions. their arms

[37:44] looted from the terrifying arsenal built

[37:47] up by the ousted president Sadbari. A

[37:50] legacy of the Cold War when both

[37:52] superpowers courted Somalia with

[37:54] weapons. Somalis now say the only thing

[37:57] they could export are arms.

[38:00] Those guns fueled a civil war which all

[38:03] but destroyed the capital. Society had

[38:06] collapsed. Now nothing works. No

[38:08] electricity, no phones, no schools, no

[38:11] government.

[38:12] This was a Ministry of Defense building.

[38:15] Now it's a squatter camp.

[38:18] >> Everyone is now looking to the United

[38:20] Nations to bring order to this chaos. 50

[38:23] unarmed observers depend for their

[38:25] security on the gunman they're supposed

[38:27] to monitor. Unaccompanied, our blue cap

[38:30] escort soon ran into trouble,

[38:32] unwittingly driving into a notorious

[38:35] district known as the Bermuda Triangle

[38:37] because those who enter apparently never

[38:39] leave.

[38:41] Okay.

[38:43] >> They will kill you. They take you the

[38:45] vehicle, your vehicle if you go there.

[38:48] >> The 500 UN troops arriving soon to

[38:51] protect the aid will be armed, but they

[38:53] could still be dangerously exposed in

[38:55] this city of anarchy.

[38:59] Without the UN, the only lifeline for

[39:01] hundreds of thousands of Somali is the

[39:03] feeding kitchens run by charities and

[39:05] aid agencies. meager rations. But at

[39:08] least the people look better in

[39:10] Mogadishu than when we were here a month

[39:12] ago.

[39:15] In the villages of rural Somalia, we saw

[39:18] a shocking contrast. People so weak they

[39:22] could no longer stand.

[39:25] Half the population of Goff Gadud had

[39:28] already died. Left behind hungry and

[39:31] frightened orphans.

[39:37] Among them, 14-year-old Alamo, suddenly

[39:40] alone in the world. At her feet, the

[39:43] corpse of her mother, Gothood's latest

[39:46] victim.

[39:48] This village is one of hundreds still

[39:50] well beyond the reach of the slender

[39:52] lifeline that has been provided to

[39:54] Somalia by the world. Unless food relief

[39:57] can reach villages like this very

[39:59] quickly, these people have nothing to

[40:01] look forward to but death.

[40:04] In a desolate graveyard, an endless

[40:06] procession of pathetic shrouded figures.

[40:10] Here, the gravediggers can hardly keep

[40:13] up with the death toll.

[40:25] Again, the main stories of this

[40:27] postconvention Friday. President Bush

[40:29] and Governor Clinton hit the campaign

[40:31] trail and each other, beginning the fall

[40:33] race in earnest, President Bush said he

[40:35] would send Clinton back to Arkansas and

[40:37] shake up the gridlocked Congress.

[40:40] Clinton fired back by ridiculing the

[40:42] president's new tax cut proposal as the

[40:44] hollow promise of a desperate candidate.

[40:46] The US began its airlift of food to the

[40:49] starving people of Somalia. Good night,

[40:51] Jim.

[40:52] >> Good night, Robin. Have a nice weekend.

[40:53] We'll see you on Monday night. I'm Jim

[40:55] Lara. Thank you and good night.

[40:59] part of helping the world live and eat.

[41:01] >> The mountain and the trees and the golf

[41:05] course.

[41:07] Somewhere on this golf course, out

[41:09] beyond the driving range of the practice

[41:10] area, somewhere out there are what

[41:13] sports reporters like to call the best

[41:15] golfers in the world. They are

[41:17] surrounded by all the would like to be

[41:19] best golfers in the world. It is a

[41:22] thirsty lot, the would like to bees.

[41:25] This is why they are thirsty.

[41:27] It is a long walk from parking lot to

[41:29] tea and green. We do not desire to watch

[41:32] them make the even longer walk back up

[41:34] the hill. To be honest, today I never

[41:36] saw the famous golfers, the ones you see

[41:38] on television from Pebble Beach and

[41:40] Augusta, Georgia. I started to but ended

[41:43] up watching these athletes, the men and

[41:46] women of the Orange Hat and Blue Shirt

[41:48] Bunch.

[41:48] >> Okay, here we go. The ones with strong

[41:51] voice and magic hands who point and

[41:54] plead, direct and dictate. You over

[41:58] there, okay, you up there. And all the

[42:02] while keep a drink shifting from hand to

[42:04] hand. A bus this way, a nine passenger

[42:07] suburban that way. Down below somewhere

[42:10] they are thinking of an 8-ft putt. Up

[42:14] here they are thinking of dust and

[42:15] direction. Parking path down there.

[42:19] Regular move it up the hill. Want to

[42:23] leave.

[42:24] >> You have to exit that way.

[42:27] >> Through the 4-hour shifts, the fingers

[42:29] point, the hands beseech.

[42:31] >> Never fails which way you point. They

[42:33] always want to go the opposite way.

[42:37] >> Down below, away from dust and engine

[42:39] noise, the noted golfers perform. Up

[42:42] here, there is a performance tube.

[42:46] >> Fun and games. Ray Summers at large.

[42:50] >> You don't have a parking pass, you

[42:51] better have a pair of hiking shoes.

[42:53] >> Yeah, it doesn't look like Ray ever made

[42:54] it to the court.

[42:55] >> No, I don't think so.

[42:56] >> The golfers and the parking lot

[42:58] attendants will be at work again

[43:00] tomorrow.

[43:00] >> Thanks for joining us. We'll be back at

[43:01] 11.