Good Morning America (ABC) - 1992-03-16 (partial)

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[0:01] In our first hour this Monday, the 16th

[0:03] day of March.

[0:05] >> The collected weight of years and years

[0:09] of sloppy banking practices, creative

[0:12] accounting, and abuse of privilege have

[0:14] brought the credibility of this

[0:16] institution to the brink of collapse.

[0:18] >> Congress regroups as the checkwriting

[0:20] scandal generates outrage and apologies.

[0:23] >> The people of South Africa prepare for a

[0:26] landmark referendum.

[0:28] And newcomer Juliet Lewis wins an Oscar

[0:30] nomination for her portrait of an

[0:31] innocent betrayed. And now he's not

[0:33] innocent or betrayed, but he is Sam

[0:35] Champion.

[0:36] >> Heavy snow is no stranger to upstate New

[0:38] York. But when 85 ines accumulated over

[0:40] the past 5 days in Polarmo, a suburb of

[0:42] Syracuse. Well, now that was a lot, even

[0:44] by their standards. The snow has come to

[0:46] an end, but frigid temperatures

[0:47] continue. Joe,

[0:48] >> funny. He told me he was innocent.

[0:50] >> Guilty.

[0:51] >> This is Good Morning America. But with

[0:53] us this morning is Sam Champion from

[0:54] WABC TV here in New York. Nice to have

[0:56] you here. While Spencer's out and while

[0:57] Charlie's out, we let you off the hook.

[0:59] You could wake up an hour later this

[1:01] morning.

[1:01] >> Showed up late for work and actually was

[1:03] early. He changed the furniture while I

[1:06] was gone.

[1:07] >> Yes. Do you like this like little

[1:08] intimate uh sofa that we have?

[1:09] >> He just kind of slides into the middle

[1:10] here.

[1:11] >> We like it, too. I hope you like it.

[1:13] >> Also coming up this morning, we're going

[1:15] to talk about the race for the National

[1:16] College Basketball title because it

[1:18] begins this week. And this morning, we

[1:20] have an unusual profile. of what it is

[1:22] of the winningest, if that's a word,

[1:24] winningest coaches ever in this college

[1:26] sport. And John Snder, who regularly

[1:28] brings our morning viewers the sports

[1:29] news, is going to take a look at what

[1:31] makes the 69year-old basketball coach

[1:34] kind of tick.

[1:35] >> Winning obviously leading the news at

[1:36] this hour, we have election year

[1:38] politics and a heated candidates debate.

[1:40] Morton Dean has that story and all the

[1:41] other news of this day. Good morning,

[1:43] Morton.

[1:43] >> Good morning, Mike, and good morning

[1:44] everyone. With Democratic friends like

[1:46] these, who needs Republican enemies?

[1:48] Last night's Democratic debate in

[1:50] Chicago was as bitter, as angry, as

[1:53] acrimonious as anything we've seen in

[1:55] the Democratic presidential campaign so

[1:57] far. ABC's Mike Von has details.

[2:01] This was the last debate before the

[2:03] Michigan and Illinois primaries. Bill

[2:05] Clinton holds a commanding lead in both

[2:08] states, but last night, the front runner

[2:10] walked into a buzzsaw of charges

[2:12] concerning improprieties with his wife's

[2:14] law firm. He is funneling money to his

[2:16] wife's law firm for state business.

[2:18] That's number one. Number two, his

[2:20] wife's law firm is representing clients

[2:23] before the state of Arkansas agencies,

[2:26] his appointees.

[2:27] >> Let me tell you something, Jerry. I

[2:29] don't care what you say about me, but

[2:31] you ought to be ashamed of yourself for

[2:32] jumping on my wife. You're not worth

[2:34] being on the same platform.

[2:35] >> I tell you something, Mr. Clinton. Don't

[2:37] try to escape it. Ralph Nater called me

[2:39] this afternoon. He read me the article

[2:41] from the Washington Post. I was shocked

[2:43] by it. It's your turn, Governor.

[2:44] >> Jerry comes here with his family wealth

[2:46] and his $1,500 suit and makes a lying

[2:48] accusation about my wife. I never I

[2:51] never That doesn't make it true.

[2:52] >> Are you saying they lie?

[2:53] >> I'm saying that I never funneled any

[2:55] money to my wife's law firm. Never.

[2:58] >> And other controversy involving Clinton

[3:00] probably helps Paulas, but after the

[3:02] debate, he said he felt a little left

[3:04] out.

[3:05] >> I I found it very distasteful because

[3:07] those two got into dispute you're all

[3:08] going to use on the news. And uh I mean

[3:12] I'm out of the picture. So uh I was

[3:15] going to run in between them and uh

[3:20] with regard to the allegations, Hillary

[3:22] Clinton claims that she's careful not to

[3:24] participate or profit in any legal

[3:26] transactions with the state, but she is

[3:28] a partner in a firm that handles a

[3:29] tremendous amount of official business

[3:31] in Arkansas that often concerns her

[3:33] husband, the governor. Mort,

[3:35] >> Mike, all of the polls in Michigan and

[3:36] Illinois seem to be pointing in the same

[3:39] direction, aren't they?

[3:40] >> Uh Mort Clinton is on a roll. He's doing

[3:42] well both in Michigan and Illinois.

[3:44] Jerry Brown feels that he's picking up

[3:46] some support with auto workers, but Paul

[3:48] Sus is finding a tough road. He's having

[3:50] trouble connecting with black voters,

[3:51] and his stand on unionism isn't going

[3:54] over very well, particularly in

[3:55] Michigan. Mort,

[3:56] >> and I guess the obvious question is what

[3:58] happens next after Michigan, after

[4:00] Illinois. Will there be any dropouts, do

[4:02] you think,

[4:02] >> Mort? I think we're going to see all

[4:04] three of these candidates staying in the

[4:06] race until the conventions. The Songest

[4:08] campaign is emphasizing that they've got

[4:09] enough money to go on and they say that

[4:11] they'd be foolish to get out,

[4:12] particularly if Clinton encounters any

[4:14] more problems.

[4:15] >> Okay, thank you, Mike. Mike Bonfrem

[4:17] reporting from the Midwest this morning.

[4:19] President Bush will hit the campaign

[4:20] trail once more before tomorrow's

[4:22] primaries in Michigan and Illinois. The

[4:24] president returned to the White House

[4:26] from Camp David yesterday to prepare for

[4:28] today's visits to raise money and

[4:30] campaign in Milwaukee and Chicago. The

[4:33] Wisconsin primary is later in April.

[4:35] Republican challenger Pat Buchanan spent

[4:37] his weekend stumping for votes in

[4:40] Michigan and Illinois. It's alibi time

[4:43] on Capitol Hill. Dozens of lawmakers are

[4:45] going public with reasons why their

[4:47] checking accounts at the House Bank were

[4:49] overdrawn. The names of more than 20 of

[4:51] the worst offenders have now been made

[4:53] public. ABC's Sheila Cass has more.

[4:57] >> Some congressmen whose names show up on

[4:59] the leaked list of alleged abusers of

[5:00] the House Bank dispute the records. At a

[5:03] parade in Queens, Congressman Jim Shyer

[5:06] was asked about his listing of 169

[5:08] checks.

[5:09] >> Our office has never had a check bounce.

[5:12] There were some booking bookkeeping

[5:15] errors on the part of our office. A lot

[5:17] of bookkeeping errors on the part of the

[5:20] House Bank. Shoyer is far from the top

[5:22] of the list. Among incumbents, that spot

[5:25] is held by Long Island Democrat Bob

[5:27] Mazic, whose political headquarters sign

[5:29] has been amended by an irate voter.

[5:32] Morazzic is accused of 972

[5:35] inadequate checks in 23 of the 39 months

[5:38] studied, but his accountant plans to

[5:40] meet with the General Accounting Office

[5:41] today to challenge the number. Many big

[5:44] check writers have decided apology is

[5:47] the best strategy. Georgia Democrat

[5:49] Charles Hatcher was listed with 819

[5:52] checks.

[5:52] >> I used the system. I knew you could

[5:54] overdraw and I did it. I've apologized

[5:57] to the people for that.

[5:59] >> But some are not apologizing. Illinois

[6:01] Democrat Charles Hayes with 716 checks

[6:04] on the list said they are drawing too

[6:06] much attention.

[6:08] >> If it cost the government money or the

[6:11] taxpayers money, then it would be an

[6:13] issue. Hayes faces a challenge in the

[6:16] Illinois Democratic primary tomorrow.

[6:18] Arguably the first test of how voters

[6:20] will treat the issue. Kited checks alone

[6:23] might not defeat many congressmen. But

[6:26] coming when many voters are worried

[6:27] about the economy and when many

[6:29] congressional districts have been

[6:31] redefined by population changes, this

[6:33] scandal could unseat scores of

[6:36] incumbents. Sheila Cast, ABC News on

[6:38] Capitol Hill.

[6:40] >> We'll have more on the House Bank

[6:41] scandal coming up in just a few moments.

[6:43] Right here on Good Morning America.

[6:45] Tension is mounting in the Persian Gulf

[6:47] again over whether Iraq will comply with

[6:50] United Nations orders to destroy its

[6:52] major weapon systems. The US reportedly

[6:55] has stepped up pressure on Iraq by

[6:57] sending an aircraft carrier into the

[6:58] Persian Gulf. The USS America and its 80

[7:02] war plananes moved through the straight

[7:04] of Hormuz last Thursday.

[7:06] Eastern Turkey is cleaning up from a

[7:08] second earthquake. It struck yesterday

[7:10] about 45 miles south of Özan. No

[7:13] casualties reported. Hundreds of

[7:15] buildings there were destroyed in the

[7:17] first quake on Friday. More than 300

[7:19] bodies have been recovered and more than

[7:21] 100,000 people have been left homeless

[7:24] by the disaster.

[7:27] Finally, will the mystery be solved at

[7:29] last? The Amelia Heheart mystery. It's

[7:31] one of the great unsolved mysteries of

[7:33] all time. She disappeared 55 years ago

[7:36] during her attempt to circle the Earth.

[7:38] An international research group claims

[7:40] it found a piece of Hehheart's plane and

[7:43] a part of her shoe on a remote island in

[7:45] the South Pacific, the island called

[7:47] Niku Moro. Later today, officials from

[7:50] the National Transportation Safety Board

[7:52] will release its opinion on the claim.

[7:55] And that's the news. And here are Joan

[7:56] and Sam.

[7:58] >> All right, Mort. Thank you very much.

[7:59] And somebody up there forgot that in

[8:01] like what, four days, 5 days, it's

[8:03] officially spring. It's very cold

[8:06] >> at the House Bank. And over the weekend,

[8:08] the Associated Press leaked the names of

[8:09] 21 representatives who could be, we're

[8:11] told, among the worst offenders. Joining

[8:13] us now from Washington to talk about the

[8:15] House Bank scandal and how voters might

[8:17] respond to these disclosures are

[8:18] Representative Fred Grandandy, who is on

[8:20] the investigating panel of the House

[8:22] Ethics Committee and Chris Matthews,

[8:24] Washington bureau chief for the San

[8:26] Francisco Examiner. Gentlemen, good to

[8:27] have you both with us this morning.

[8:28] Appreciate it.

[8:29] >> First of all, Representative Grandandy,

[8:30] let's begin with you.

[8:32] You're quoted as saying that this is the

[8:34] biggest scandal on the Hill since

[8:36] Watergate. That was a partisan political

[8:39] plot. Do you view this the same way?

[8:41] >> I don't view this as a partisan

[8:43] political plot. I I view this as a

[8:46] scandal that engulfs the entire

[8:48] Congress. And unfortunately, what's

[8:51] going to happen here, Mike, is because

[8:52] this information has been leaked and

[8:54] because the ethics committee cannot

[8:56] corroborate the names on this list right

[8:57] time right now, a lot of people are

[8:59] going to be denied due process. That's

[9:01] going to I think explode and a lot of

[9:03] members will probably be and

[9:05] feathered with bouncing checks when in

[9:07] fact they probably are guilty of

[9:09] mistakes the bank made.

[9:10] >> Couldn't this have been avoided though,

[9:11] sir, if the committee had simply named

[9:13] all the names?

[9:14] >> We could have named all the names, but

[9:16] it wouldn't have been fair to those

[9:17] members of Congress who might have had a

[9:19] few checks or even several checks that

[9:21] were overdrawn because the bank had made

[9:23] a mistake. What's not been really

[9:25] brought out is this system was so

[9:27] equally run that members were held

[9:30] hostage to large large overdrafts very

[9:33] often because of teller mistakes and I

[9:35] think that that perhaps will not be told

[9:37] until it's too late.

[9:38] >> Chris, do you see the members here being

[9:40] hostages or do you see them simply in

[9:42] many cases being willful practitioners

[9:44] of the art of getting something for

[9:45] nothing?

[9:46] >> Well, you know, it depends what your

[9:48] hunch is about the Congress going into

[9:49] this. This will confirm your hunch. If

[9:51] you think that Capitol Hill is

[9:52] chaotically run, if you wonder why we

[9:54] have $400 billion deficits, well, you

[9:56] have an explanation right here. The same

[9:58] people that bank on the first floor vote

[9:59] on the second floor. Uh, these are the

[10:01] people who keep the records for the

[10:03] federal government as well. If you think

[10:04] the congressmen are all crooks, I guess

[10:06] this will back you up. But I also think

[10:07] that there's a question of arrogance

[10:09] here, which a lot of people really keep

[10:10] going back to. Who are these guys to

[10:11] think they can have these overdrafts?

[10:13] But the sad thing is that the the baby's

[10:15] going to be thrown out with the

[10:16] bathwater because a lot of these members

[10:17] of Congress, men and women, just didn't

[10:19] know they were in a rears. Uh they're

[10:21] going to be blamed with the guys who

[10:22] were the real abusers at the top of the

[10:24] list.

[10:24] >> Rich Bond, the uh Republican National

[10:26] Committee chairman, is quoted as saying

[10:28] that the House is going through a

[10:29] political meltdown. Do you see that?

[10:31] >> Well, I think this is this is all up to

[10:32] your opponent. Suppose you're a

[10:33] 28-year-old kid now running against an

[10:35] incumbent and you've been dying for an

[10:37] issue and you're running against a guy

[10:38] who's got a million dollars in the bank

[10:40] and he's been in office 20 years and you

[10:42] get this headline thrown at you in the

[10:43] paper this weekend. You have a chance

[10:45] now to beat an incumbent. Maybe this is

[10:47] a good thing because it's going to give

[10:48] the challenger for once an edge, a fair

[10:51] or an unfair edge, but he will have

[10:52] something to say. He'll say, "This

[10:54] particular guy, and I know his name,

[10:56] overran his his bank account by x many

[10:58] checks. He abuses the system. Let's get

[11:00] rid of him." instead of the old problem

[11:02] that every challenger had, which was

[11:04] they're all part of the problem. Let's

[11:05] throw them all out because you know

[11:06] what? People end up voting for the most

[11:07] familiar name when they go to vote. And

[11:09] that's why it's always been very hard to

[11:10] beat an incumbent.

[11:11] >> Mr. Grandandy, a lot of members now are

[11:13] going public and and trying to tell

[11:15] their constituents and the country as a

[11:17] whole why they did what they did.

[11:18] Representative Ronald Coleman of Texas,

[11:20] Democrat of Texas, says that uh he used

[11:23] the bank as we were told we could. Do

[11:26] you buy that? And and were you ever told

[11:27] how you could use the bank? Well, in my

[11:30] case, I was never told that I could not

[11:32] be overdrawn, period. And in many cases,

[11:34] members were told that. In other cases,

[11:36] apparently, they were told something

[11:38] else. So, the the ethics committee had

[11:40] to go on what members had reason to

[11:42] believe they could and could not do.

[11:44] There was no real standard. It floated.

[11:46] So, it was very hard to prepare a larger

[11:49] list than the 24 people uh that we did

[11:52] identify because those were the only

[11:53] people that we could certify were real

[11:55] abusers. Now, I can't tell you if Ron

[11:57] Coleman is on that list cuz I haven't

[11:58] seen the names. But I think the fact

[12:00] that somebody like him got up and

[12:02] apologized is probably the most

[12:04] appropriate measure because I think

[12:06] it'll be very hard for these members

[12:07] that are that will be identified on this

[12:09] list to argue that it was just bank

[12:12] errors when you're talking about 500

[12:13] checks overdrawn beyond your next

[12:15] month's salary, 35 out of 39 months.

[12:18] That's not technical failures.

[12:19] >> There are two levels to look at this.

[12:21] one is is the the personal financial

[12:23] habits of the members here, but the

[12:24] other one is also the impact and the

[12:26] cost of the country. Can you tell me

[12:28] what if anything I as a taxpayer and the

[12:30] rest of the American taxpayers have had

[12:32] to pay to support this kind of a system?

[12:35] Has it cost me anything because of

[12:36] what's happened here?

[12:37] >> It's cost you a load in terms of public

[12:39] confidence and public trust.

[12:41] >> What about in terms of money?

[12:42] >> Public money, of course, we've had to

[12:44] hire GAO auditors, uh, 10 of them, to

[12:46] work around the clock for 5 months to do

[12:48] this, uh, investigation. It has

[12:50] obviously cost the ethics committee to

[12:52] gear up and do this. Uh and it also I

[12:54] think has cost you um some indirect

[12:58] funds in terms of the money that has

[13:01] perhaps been lost by Congress

[13:04] being so preoccupied with this issue

[13:06] that other more important issues to the

[13:08] country have not been able to go forth.

[13:09] >> You know I Mike I think the one thing it

[13:11] cost the taxpayer is the big picture

[13:12] here. Let's talk about why we care about

[13:14] what Congress does every day. We don't

[13:15] care about somebody's banking habits.

[13:17] What we really care about is who's

[13:18] running the economy of the country. You

[13:20] know, we have a $400 billion deficit. A

[13:22] lot of people say, "How can anybody roll

[13:23] up a $400 billion deficit?" The answer

[13:25] is this way. By overrunning your

[13:27] checking account. The fact of the matter

[13:29] is there's a lot of bad habits in

[13:30] government. One of them is spend more

[13:32] than you bring in. And that's what we're

[13:33] seeing here. In a way that the average

[13:35] person can understand. Most people can't

[13:37] understand billiond dollarar finance.

[13:38] >> Sorry, got to jump in there. The point's

[13:39] well made though. We appreciate it.

[13:40] Chris Matthews and Representative Fred

[13:42] Grandandy, thanks to both of you for

[13:43] being with us this morning. We

[13:44] appreciate it. It is now just about 15

[13:47] minutes past the hour. A lifetime of

[13:49] successes for a college basketball

[13:50] coach. What is a secret? We'll talk

[13:52] about it when Good Morning America

[13:53] continues.

[13:56] >> Big doings in college basketball this

[13:58] week as the biggest names in college

[14:00] coaching lead their teams into the NCAA

[14:02] tournament. But the big schools don't

[14:04] always lay soul claim to the best

[14:06] coaches. John Snyder of ABC News talked

[14:09] recently with a man whose name you may

[14:11] not know, yet he is one of the most

[14:13] successful coaches in history.

[14:15] >> This guy's taking this shot out here.

[14:17] Where were you going?

[14:18] >> All of us are cut out to do something. I

[14:20] think we're destined to do something.

[14:23] >> And I think this is what I was destined

[14:25] to do. And I've enjoyed it.

[14:27] >> Clarence Big House Gains was named the

[14:28] Winston Salem State University coach in

[14:31] 1946, back when Harry Truman was

[14:33] president. eight presidents and 46 years

[14:36] later he has 822 wins, the second

[14:39] highest total in college history.

[14:41] >> Through the help of a lot of people uh

[14:43] from the administration here and the

[14:46] good kids uh that that came through here

[14:49] that made everybody perceive me to be a

[14:53] a pretty decent coach.

[14:55] >> He has been far more than just decent.

[14:57] Only the late Adolf Ruff, who had 875

[15:00] wins during his career at Kentucky, has

[15:02] more victories than gains. But the

[15:04] numbers mean little to a man who feels a

[15:06] college coach has a higher obligation

[15:08] than simply winning.

[15:10] >> I don't talk about winning and losing.

[15:12] One of the things that uh

[15:14] >> to catch the devil getting over the kids

[15:16] now is that you don't get something for

[15:18] nothing. That's the thing that I think

[15:21] everybody has to get over in life is

[15:22] that whatever you get out of this life,

[15:24] you have to earn it. you have to earn

[15:27] it.

[15:32] >> The first thing he talks about is what

[15:33] we going to do before we play basketball

[15:35] and after the basketball game is over.

[15:38] So, it's a whole lot mostly what he says

[15:40] is based on our life instead of the

[15:42] basketball game.

[15:44] >> Earl Monroe. Oh,

[15:47] you can't stop him. Earl the Pearl

[15:49] Monroe, number 10, scored 40 points in

[15:52] his 1967 game as Winston Salem won the

[15:55] small college national title. But he

[15:57] almost left school three years earlier

[15:59] until talking with Gaines, who pulled no

[16:01] punches.

[16:02] >> He said, "Son, what are you down here

[16:03] for?" They said, "I'm down here to play

[16:06] basketball, coach." And he said, "Well,

[16:08] if you're down here to play basketball,

[16:09] you might as well go back to

[16:11] Philadelphia."

[16:12] >> Monroe got the message. He stayed for

[16:14] his education and also went on to a

[16:16] great career in the pros and a spot in

[16:18] the Hall of Fame.

[16:19] >> I pretty much felt as though he was like

[16:21] my other father and the things that he

[16:24] provided from not only myself but the

[16:26] other players, you know, lives on with

[16:28] us. We're just thankful that, you know,

[16:29] he was able to reach out and touch us

[16:31] because, you know, we're just that much

[16:33] better for it.

[16:35] >> He coaches in a gym that bears his name,

[16:37] a sign he has given his life to the

[16:39] small school in North Carolina and he's

[16:41] been happy. However, there was a time he

[16:43] wished for a chance to coach a major

[16:45] college team. But like so many qualified

[16:48] blacks in all jobs in the 50s and 60s,

[16:50] the doors were closed to him. By the

[16:52] time the doors opened in the early 70s,

[16:54] it was too late. For that time, I'm in

[16:58] my 50s and no one's going to hire a

[17:02] black coach in his 50s who had as much

[17:05] experience as I had because uh

[17:08] >> so why would this guy want to come and

[17:09] become his assistant? No. and none of

[17:11] them were in a position I don't believe

[17:13] to hire hire a black guy as a head

[17:15] coach. That's just been in recent years.

[17:18] >> Clarence Gains is in the Basketball Hall

[17:20] of Fame. He has won almost every honor

[17:22] conceivable for a coach. But when his

[17:24] career is over, his best memories will

[17:26] have very little to do with wins and

[17:28] losses.

[17:28] >> He's a doctor. He's another He's a

[17:30] lawyer. He's a school superintendent.

[17:32] He's a city councilman.

[17:34] And these kids uh they'll call sometime

[17:38] 1:00 in the morning. So, I'm just

[17:39] thinking about you. How you doing, old

[17:41] man? I said, okay.

[17:44] That's the thing that I get uh get a lot

[17:47] of fun out of.

[17:48] >> WHAT'S THE LOVE?

[17:50] >> He will lose on this night, but he

[17:52] hasn't lost many in his life. And at 69,

[17:55] hopes to continue coaching a while

[17:56] longer. If he had 800 wins at a big-time

[17:59] school, he would be a household name and

[18:01] a millionaire. He is neither, but he is

[18:03] proof there are some things money and

[18:05] fame can't buy.

[18:07] >> I'm rich in experiences. I'm rich in uh

[18:10] love, care, and affection of the people

[18:12] I work with, and I have the respect of

[18:15] the basketball community, and I think I

[18:17] have the respect of everybody that I've

[18:19] ever worked with. To me, that's worth

[18:21] more than a million dollars.

[18:23] Now, Gaines was actually a standout

[18:25] football player in college, and

[18:26] originally he wanted to be a dentist,

[18:28] but he decided instead to give coaching

[18:30] a try, and the rest is basketball

[18:32] history. We'll be back.

[18:37] >> So, what did you folks discover today?

[18:39] >> It's a great story.

[18:40] >> Nice.

[18:41] >> I got in and I got what I was looking

[18:43] for.

[18:46] >> Leader's life on the street and in

[18:49] prison.

[18:49] >> So, you want to help me out on my

[18:50] segment? I I'll lend you as much moral

[18:52] support as Yeah. All right.

[18:54] >> Right now, it's time though for the news

[18:55] this morning. Some House members hope to

[18:57] diffuse the current bad check scandal by

[18:59] coming clean on their own records. But

[19:01] Randall Kingston reports many are

[19:03] concerned that honesty now is too little

[19:06] too late.

[19:07] >> From California,

[19:08] >> you can ask any questions you want.

[19:10] >> To New York, worried members of Congress

[19:12] face the music from the scandal known as

[19:14] Rubbergate, in which Congress routinely

[19:17] bounced checks without penalty. But some

[19:19] of the accused challenged the accuracy

[19:21] of House bank records

[19:22] >> that I believe the whole thing is a

[19:25] personal matter

[19:28] that it did not cost the taxpayers a

[19:30] dime.

[19:32] >> But denial would not make the problem

[19:34] disappear. Not even for the House

[19:36] Speaker Tom Foley. He spent the day

[19:38] admitting he could have tackled the

[19:39] problem sooner, acknowledging he too

[19:42] faces more questions.

[19:43] >> I want to tell him I