This Week (ABC) - 2006-07-30

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[0:00] your ticket.

[0:01] >> Parker's family's Danny Bonaduchi live

[0:03] >> Monday on Good Morning Northwest

[0:06] >> after Israeli bombs killed dozens of

[0:08] Lebanese civilians.

[0:11] >> There is no place on this sad morning

[0:15] for any discussion other than an

[0:18] immediate and unconditional ceasefire.

[0:21] >> In the wake of the tragedy, I've decided

[0:23] to postpone my discussions in Beirut.

[0:26] >> Will the US now push for a ceasefire?

[0:28] How will Israel respond? What will it

[0:31] take to stop the war? Answers this

[0:33] morning from the prime minister's office

[0:35] in Lebanon. Ambassador Daniel Alone of

[0:38] Israel after

[0:40] >> and under secretary Nicholas Burns for

[0:42] the United States. Then analysis of the

[0:44] war and its political fallout on our

[0:46] round table with George Will, Fared

[0:49] Zakaria, Claire Shipman, and Jake Carney

[0:51] of Time magazine. Plus, Lance Armstrong

[0:55] on the presidential campaign trail. And

[0:58] here we are. Talk about a war. Talk

[1:00] about an old war. Talk about what you're

[1:02] going to do about it. And let's get

[1:03] let's get the guys or the candidates,

[1:05] our future leaders on the record.

[1:07] >> And as always, the Sunday finals.

[1:10] >> Well, you know what happened in

[1:11] Washington? Uh President Bush uh hosted

[1:14] the American Idol finalists in the Oval

[1:16] Office.

[1:19] Well, sure. There's not really anything

[1:20] else going on.

[1:23] What's What's the problem?

[1:27] >> From Washington this week with ABC News

[1:30] chief Washington correspondent George

[1:33] Stephanopoulos.

[1:37] >> Good morning everyone. Secretary of

[1:38] State Rice's shuttle diplomacy is

[1:40] stalled today. Overnight almost 60

[1:43] Lebanese at least 40 women and children

[1:45] were killed by an Israeli air strike on

[1:47] the town of Kana in southern Lebanon.

[1:49] When the secretary got the word during a

[1:51] meeting with the Israeli defense

[1:52] minister, she postponed her trip to

[1:54] Beirut and spoke to reporters in

[1:56] Jerusalem.

[1:58] >> I will continue to work and work and

[2:01] work. Uh that is what we can do. If we

[2:04] there is any way humanly to accelerate

[2:07] our efforts, I would do it. But we're

[2:09] already doing uh really what is at the

[2:12] human limitation to try and get to an

[2:13] end to this conflict. And we're going to

[2:15] go now straight to the prime minister's

[2:16] office in Beirut where we're joined by

[2:18] his national security adviser, Dr.

[2:20] Muhammad Shata. Good morning, Dr. Shata.

[2:22] I know it's a very difficult day for all

[2:25] of you. Did the prime minister tell

[2:26] Secretary Rice not to come to Lebanon?

[2:29] >> Uh George, this is a difficult day, but

[2:32] it's also a very sad day. Yes, the

[2:34] secretary spoke to the uh to the prime

[2:36] minister and they agreed both of them

[2:40] that it's not a time to talk politics.

[2:42] It's not time to talk anything. The

[2:45] Lebanese people are justifiably

[2:48] outraged at what's happened and the fact

[2:50] that it's happened the same little

[2:52] village where a massacre took place uh

[2:55] 10 years ago uh where hund more than 100

[2:58] people died in a shelter. for this to

[3:01] happen again in the same village with as

[3:04] you said more than 60 people dead mostly

[3:06] women and children this is an outrage

[3:09] and the Lebanese people are very angry

[3:12] it's a sad day it's an outrageous event

[3:14] >> as you know Dr. Shata the prime minister

[3:16] of Israel Ahood Almerit has said that

[3:19] Hezbollah is to blame for this because

[3:21] they have put these rockets they have

[3:23] launched rockets from civilian areas

[3:26] they've used women and children as

[3:27] shields. What's your response?

[3:29] >> Look, this is an old argument. There's

[3:31] nothing that can excuse for the Israeli

[3:35] military machine killing dozens of of

[3:38] civilians. Uh no one should accept this

[3:41] argument. Self-defense has been used.

[3:44] The fact that Hbah is there somewhere is

[3:47] used to justify killing so many people.

[3:50] More than 600 people had died by

[3:52] yesterday, mostly civilian. 45%

[3:56] children. This is not justified cannot

[3:59] be justified by anything. Listen, the

[4:02] Lebanese people have been going through

[4:05] a a very difficult time for many, many

[4:07] years. We've had civil wars. We've had

[4:09] many Israeli invasions. We've had

[4:12] enough. And the Lebanese people have

[4:14] said all of them and through their

[4:17] government that enough is enough.

[4:19] There's no one on this earth that wants

[4:22] peace and security more than the

[4:24] Lebanese people. There's no way that

[4:26] anyone can achieve peace by terrorizing

[4:29] people, can achieve security by killing

[4:32] babies on the other side of the border.

[4:34] This can only create more extremism,

[4:38] more hatred, and more anger. This is not

[4:41] the way to create a better future, not

[4:43] for us and certainly not for the

[4:44] Israelis.

[4:45] >> Excuse me, sir. You say enough is

[4:47] enough. But doesn't that mean Hezbollah

[4:49] has to stop launching rockets from

[4:50] civilian areas?

[4:52] >> We are calling for an immediate

[4:54] ceasefire. Of course, we want Hezbollah

[4:56] to stop. We want the Israelis to stop.

[4:59] See, this is not a war. It's a war

[5:01] crime. You cannot fight this kind of of

[5:04] of war and call it a war. It's not. It's

[5:07] a war crime. We can sit here and and

[5:10] talk about which side is shelling more

[5:13] bombs, which side is killing more

[5:14] civilians. The fact of the matter is

[5:17] civilians are dying on both sides. Of

[5:20] course, many more on the Lebanese side

[5:22] simply because the Israeli war machine

[5:24] is able to lob

[5:27] tons of of bombs from advanced aircraft

[5:30] from the and from the sea. We want an

[5:33] immediate ceasefire and like uh the US

[5:36] Secretary of State and and all the

[5:38] decent people in the world, we want the

[5:40] ceasefire not only to happen, we want it

[5:42] to last. We're not looking for a

[5:44] reprieve for a few days to go through

[5:46] yet another round of of of of killing or

[5:50] another invasion or another war. This

[5:53] country has had enough.

[5:55] >> This problem can be solved and we have

[5:58] charted the way to solve it. But we

[5:59] cannot wait until all the problems are

[6:02] solved before we stop killing children

[6:05] and and women.

[6:05] >> Dr. Shatal, you say you want an

[6:07] immediate ceasefire. Will Prime Minister

[6:09] Sonora refuse to meet with Secretary

[6:11] Rice until the United States calls for

[6:12] an immediate ceasefire?

[6:14] >> No, it's not a question of refusing to

[6:16] meet. Anyone who who's here in Beirut

[6:20] today would have realized that that you

[6:22] could not sit and talk provisions of an

[6:26] of a United Nations resolution. This is

[6:28] this is an outrageous thing that

[6:31] happened today. Of course, we want to

[6:34] talk. We want to put an end to this. But

[6:37] what happened only few few hours ago

[6:40] outraged the Lebanese people into the

[6:42] streets. This cannot happen in the 21st

[6:45] century. You mentioned the outrage in

[6:47] the streets and I want to show our

[6:48] viewers the pictures of those protesters

[6:51] going into the UN compound this morning.

[6:53] Really storming the UN compound this

[6:55] morning. is has the Lebanese government

[6:58] lost the ability to control its streets?

[7:03] >> No. Uh the Lebanese government is very

[7:06] much a a national government. It

[7:09] includes everyone and in speaking on

[7:11] behalf of the Lebanese people. Yes,

[7:14] there was outrage and and some windows

[7:16] uh were broken or there was some uh

[7:20] outrage expressed in a certain way in

[7:22] the streets, but things are not out of

[7:23] control. The Lebanese people are mad.

[7:25] Neither do we blame the United Nations.

[7:27] I mean the United Nations of course is a

[7:29] very visible building in the center of

[7:31] Beirut. And frankly when people are are

[7:34] so angry they often express their anger

[7:38] uh in the wrong way. The United Nations

[7:41] uh is present in Lebanon, has been doing

[7:43] great work, relief work and and we look

[7:46] uh to the United Nations for an

[7:48] important role in and also helping us uh

[7:51] keep the peace in the south and make

[7:54] that peace last as as the secretary of

[7:57] state.

[7:58] >> Finally, sir, finally sir, when will

[8:01] Prime Minister Sonora meet with

[8:02] Secretary Rice now that today's meeting

[8:03] has been postponed?

[8:05] >> I I can't really say, but we will not

[8:08] stop working. We will not stop working.

[8:11] First to have an immediate ceasefire and

[8:13] at the same time at the same time to do

[8:16] all we can to make that ceasefire a real

[8:19] one, a strong one and one that can take

[8:22] this country away from what's been

[8:24] happening for for decades into into

[8:27] peace and security and a much better

[8:30] future. We our people deserve this.

[8:33] >> Thank you, Dr. And for more on

[8:35] this, I'm now joined here in the studio

[8:37] by the under secretary of state Nicholas

[8:38] Burns. You heard Dr. Shitat there,

[8:40] Secretary Burns. They want an immediate

[8:43] ceasefire. Will the US is the US

[8:45] prepared to call for one?

[8:46] >> We are working towards that ceasefire.

[8:47] First of all, George, this is a very sad

[8:49] day for the people of Lebanon. It's a

[8:51] tragic day. It points to the fact that

[8:53] we've all got to work very very quickly

[8:54] to put in place an a durable ceasefire,

[8:57] one that can be sustained so that these

[8:59] types of incidents are not repeated in

[9:01] the future. I spoke to Secretary Rice

[9:03] just a few minutes ago this morning. I

[9:05] know that she's staying in Jerusalem

[9:07] today. She'll be meeting with Prime

[9:08] Minister Merritt and obviously she's

[9:10] going to put forward the American

[9:11] position. We're close, we think, to a

[9:13] political agreement between Israel and

[9:15] Lebanon to uh to end this fighting. We

[9:18] want there to be an international force

[9:19] that the United Nations would bless that

[9:21] would go into southern Lebanon to stand

[9:23] between these uh forces that are

[9:25] fighting. So that didn't sound like from

[9:27] talking to Dr. Shata, he says he wants

[9:28] an immediate ceasefire. The secretary is

[9:30] clearly still resisting that and and the

[9:33] meeting has been postponed. How can you

[9:34] say you're close?

[9:35] >> Secretary Rice spoke this morning to the

[9:36] press. She said, "We've made a lot of

[9:38] progress in this political framework

[9:39] agreement." That's the fundamental

[9:41] agreement that needs to be put into

[9:43] place to bring us to a ceasefire. We

[9:45] also need to see, however, the creation

[9:48] and the agreement of an international um

[9:50] peacekeeping force that would go into

[9:51] southern Lebanon. That's an essential

[9:53] factor because if you just stop the

[9:55] fighting in place, you'd have Hezbollah

[9:57] in place with its rockets to hold a

[9:59] million Israelis hostage in the northern

[10:01] part of the country. You'd have the

[10:02] Israeli army in southern Lebanon. So

[10:04] clearly, we've got to have an ambitious

[10:06] view of what has to be accomplished

[10:07] here. And we are working very, very hard

[10:10] with a great deal of urgency to bring

[10:11] this piece.

[10:12] >> And I know you're going to be working on

[10:13] that force this week at the United

[10:14] Nations. Before we get to that, one more

[10:16] question on on today's events. There has

[10:18] been a chorus of criticism from around

[10:21] the world. chorus of calls joining the

[10:23] Lebanese government uh calling for an

[10:25] immediate ceasefire. Jordan's King

[10:26] Abdullah, the Egyptian President Hosni

[10:28] Mubarak, the European Commission, uh

[10:30] even Pope Benedict has weighed in this

[10:33] morning. Is the pressure uh becoming so

[10:36] great that the United States and Israel

[10:38] will not be able to withstand these

[10:39] calls?

[10:40] >> Well, George, we want a ceasefire. We've

[10:42] been working towards an end of these

[10:43] hostilities for 2 weeks now. It's not

[10:45] easy. This is a very challenging

[10:47] environment. It's a war zone. As you

[10:49] know, these two countries and Hezbollah

[10:51] and Israel have faced each other uh for

[10:53] 25 years on that border and there have

[10:56] been several times in the past when

[10:57] we've seen this kind of fighting in 1982

[11:00] and 1996. We want to we want to avoid a

[11:03] repetition of a situation where you

[11:05] essentially put a band-aid on something

[11:06] and week days or weeks or months later

[11:09] uh the the violence begins again. We've

[11:12] got to have a view of a sustainable

[11:13] ceasefire. What that means is you have

[11:16] to un you have to uh make sure that

[11:18] Hezbollah is not left in position where

[11:21] it can threaten the security of Israel

[11:23] and you have to be able to strengthen

[11:24] the security and frankly the sovereignty

[11:26] of the Lebanese government. So one of

[11:28] the things that has to happen uh to put

[11:30] all this in place, the Lebanese armed

[11:31] forces have to be able to deploy down to

[11:34] the south of the border and this state

[11:35] within a state called Hezbollah, a

[11:37] terrorist organization that started this

[11:39] two weeks ago, they have to be put in a

[11:41] position where they can no longer

[11:42] threaten Israel. That's what we're

[11:44] trying to survive, but they have to be

[11:45] disarmed.

[11:46] >> Well, Hezbollah, of course, is a

[11:47] political organization, a social

[11:49] organization, but it's also a terrorist

[11:51] organization, and it would not be

[11:53] responsible for the United States or any

[11:55] other country around the world to be

[11:57] satisfied with the situation that

[11:58] Hezbollah would be allowed to sit on

[12:00] Israel's northern border and fire these

[12:03] rockets, 4,000 of them in the last two

[12:05] weeks, down on a million people in

[12:07] Israel. And obviously there's also

[12:09] another imperative and that is to try to

[12:11] help the Lebanese government to be

[12:12] stronger to have full sovereignty in its

[12:15] country and to have its own armed forces

[12:17] not those of Hezbollah deployed to the

[12:19] border. So that's the arrangement that

[12:20] Secretary Rice is trying to work out as

[12:22] we speak today in Jerusalem.

[12:24] >> The Lebanese government called this

[12:25] bombing in Kana war crime. Does the US

[12:27] agree?

[12:28] >> Well, if you're speaking about

[12:29] international law, the United States

[12:30] believes and all other countries believe

[12:33] that Israel has a right to a right to

[12:35] its own self-defense. Israel was

[12:36] attacked two weeks ago. It had rockets

[12:38] fired in its territory. It had soldiers

[12:40] abduct abducted. It was Hezbollah who

[12:42] started this and crossed the blue line.

[12:44] >> So today's bombing is not a war crime.

[12:46] The

[12:47] >> United States does not believe that what

[12:48] has happened over the last 2 and a half

[12:50] weeks constitutes war crimes. We believe

[12:52] that every country has a right to defend

[12:54] itself under article 51 of the UN

[12:56] charter. But we also believe that this

[12:58] type of fighting has to come to an end.

[13:00] And the United States has been arguing

[13:02] that now for the better part of the last

[13:03] two weeks. our secretary of states in

[13:05] the region to push that view forward.

[13:08] And we believe that progress has been

[13:09] made on this political agreement. But

[13:11] George, what we've got to do now, we've

[13:13] got to see further progress on this

[13:15] international force. That's the key

[13:16] element now to have the world community

[13:18] agree on that.

[13:19] >> And that's what I want to that's what I

[13:20] want to ask you about now. How many

[13:21] countries have come forward and said

[13:22] they're ready to be part of of that

[13:25] force? And have you determined what the

[13:27] rules of engagement should be? Well,

[13:29] there's been quite a lot of discussion

[13:30] over the last week about the composition

[13:32] and mandate and mission of au of

[13:33] international force. I'll be going to a

[13:35] conference at the UN early this week to

[13:37] try to push that idea forward. A number

[13:39] of countries have come to us and said

[13:41] they'd be willing in principle to

[13:43] participate in that force.

[13:44] >> Turkey,

[13:45] >> I don't I don't if if they haven't made

[13:46] public statements, I don't think I

[13:48] should speak for them. But I think we

[13:50] will have a considerable number of

[13:51] countries come forward. Uh we've got to

[13:53] decide what type of force it is. The

[13:55] prevailing view uh these days tends to

[13:58] be that it should be a multinational

[13:59] force. So it' be put together by a

[14:01] variety of nations. It wouldn't be a

[14:02] blue helmeted UN force, but it certainly

[14:05] has to have the authorization of a

[14:06] security council. So what I think will

[14:08] happen this week following Secretary

[14:10] Rice's talks in the Middle East. We'll

[14:12] see the action shift to the Security

[14:14] Council to see if we can move this

[14:16] political agreement there if we can get

[14:18] it and and try to achieve a ceasefire

[14:20] and try to achieve an international.

[14:22] There seems to be a difference over what

[14:23] the force should do. I mean, both the

[14:26] president and British Prime Minister

[14:27] Tony Blair have talked about a strong,

[14:29] robust force that would really be able

[14:30] to engage Hezbollah. Other countries

[14:33] like France have said, "No, they're not

[14:35] going to go in unless Hezbollah accepts

[14:37] uh their presence." I mean, what kind of

[14:40] a rules of engagement are you seeking?

[14:42] >> I think we've learned from our

[14:43] experience over the last 10 years in

[14:44] Bosnia, in Kosovo, in Afghanistan that a

[14:47] force going into a war situation has got

[14:50] to be a strong force. It has to have

[14:51] tough rules of engagement. It has to be

[14:54] able to defend itself and it has to be

[14:55] able to perform the functions

[14:56] >> and take on Hezbollah.

[14:58] >> It has to be able to perform the

[14:59] functions that that that is assigned to

[15:00] it. So the functions of this force will

[15:02] be to secure an area south of the Latani

[15:05] River, north of the Israeli Lebanese

[15:07] border, that area where all the conflict

[15:09] has been and all the bombings have been.

[15:10] And to make sure that Hezbollah cannot

[15:13] start another war the way it did two and

[15:14] a half.

[15:14] >> No ceasefire until that force is in

[15:16] place.

[15:17] >> Well, we're working on multiple elements

[15:19] here. We're working on an agreement

[15:20] towards a ceasefire to enable a

[15:22] ceasefire. But certainly the realization

[15:24] of this international force is going to

[15:26] be a key factor in whether or not we can

[15:28] achieve that ceasefire. I'd also say,

[15:30] George, in addition to creating a

[15:31] security zone to prevent violence and

[15:33] prevent warfare, this international

[15:35] force will have to secure humanitarian

[15:38] corridors so that the u the NOS's and

[15:40] the UN uh relief agencies can bring in a

[15:42] substantial amount of assistance to the

[15:44] population of southern Lebanon. They

[15:46] have been the victims of this conflict.

[15:48] Finally, very quickly, will Secretary

[15:49] Rice now stay in the region until she

[15:51] meets with the Lebanese Prime Minister?

[15:53] >> Well, I know she'll be seeing Prime

[15:54] Minister Mer this afternoon. She'll have

[15:56] to make a decision about what she does

[15:58] after that. She'll certainly be in touch

[16:00] certainly by phone today with Prime

[16:01] Minister Seenor. They've talked once.

[16:03] They'll talk again. Uh we are acting

[16:05] very urgently to try to bring this

[16:07] conflict to an end.

[16:08] >> Secretary Burns, thank you very much.

[16:09] >> Thank you, George.

[16:11] >> Now, the view from Israel. We've just

[16:12] learned from Jerusalem that the Israeli

[16:14] government is going to investigate the

[16:16] bombing in Kana in a statement from the

[16:18] prime minister's office. Uh they say

[16:20] Israel deeply regrets the bombing and

[16:22] takes full responsibility. And for more

[16:24] on this, I'm joined here again in the

[16:25] studio by the Israeli ambassador to the

[16:27] United States, Danielone. Welcome back

[16:29] to This Week, sir. You heard Dr. Shata

[16:31] at the top of the program. He called

[16:32] this bombing a war crime and now your

[16:35] government is going to investigate,

[16:36] takes full responsibility. Was it a war

[16:39] crime?

[16:39] >> Absolutely, it was a war crime.

[16:42] committed by theah because they

[16:44] specifically locate all their rockets,

[16:47] all their uh munitions in heavily

[16:49] populated areas. Now we have warned the

[16:52] populations quite some time now to leave

[16:54] the area. By the way, if you look from

[16:55] the formal point of view, George, you

[16:58] know that according to the fourth uh

[16:59] Geneva Convention, civilians caught in

[17:02] the crossfire if they are hiding enemy

[17:05] soldiers, if they are hiding munitions,

[17:07] they are participants and they are not

[17:09] protected. Not if this is a Hezbollah

[17:12] war crime, then why is the Israeli

[17:14] government taking full responsibility in

[17:16] an opening investigation?

[17:17] >> Because we are a moral government. We

[17:19] are a moral people. We It's a very sad

[17:22] day. We regret very much the loss of

[17:23] lives on both sides. We want to

[17:25] investigate so we can do everything in

[17:27] our power so it doesn't repeat itself.

[17:29] But at the same time, nobody's asking

[17:32] theah or the Lebanese government to make

[17:34] sure that thebalah doesn't position

[17:35] itself uh in populated areas that thebah

[17:38] doesn't indiscriminately fire at our

[17:40] centers of populations. So this is a

[17:42] totally uh um different equation here

[17:45] what we're doing and what they're doing.

[17:47] And by the way, all those who jumped to

[17:49] say war crimes, I don't remember saying

[17:51] that in the campaign on on Belgrade

[17:54] where thousands of people were were

[17:55] killed because of air campaigns. This is

[17:58] something which is we have to get to the

[18:01] root cause and the root cause is that

[18:03] Lebanon is not a free country in the

[18:06] sense that it controls its territory.

[18:08] It'sbalah created a state within a state

[18:11] building a formidable arsenal of

[18:13] munitions and military structure which

[18:16] has to be dismantled if we want a

[18:19] sustainable peace.

[18:21] >> Despite this call from the Lebanese

[18:23] prime minister for an immediate

[18:24] ceasefire, the Israeli military campaign

[18:25] is going to continue.

[18:27] Yes, because when we talk about

[18:29] ceasefire, we want to talk about

[18:31] sessation of hostilities. The same as

[18:33] was expressed by the G8 about two weeks

[18:35] ago. And sessation of hostilities

[18:37] include the safe return and

[18:39] unconditional return of our kidnapped

[18:41] soldiers, our kidnapped soldiers who are

[18:43] hostages. They cannot have those

[18:45] soldiers uh in their hands and and trade

[18:48] with them. This is something which is uh

[18:50] reprehensible and practically uh it

[18:53] should be given back. They should be

[18:55] given back to us. So there's no gain

[18:57] byah from any of their aggressions.

[18:59] >> You heard Secretary Burns say that uh

[19:01] Secretary Rice believes that she was

[19:03] making progress in getting quite close

[19:04] to an agreement this morning. Is that

[19:06] the Israeli view?

[19:08] >> Yes, it is. And uh I believe that uh

[19:10] she's uh her her trip is very important.

[19:14] We've made some progress and the

[19:16] progress should be not just an immediate

[19:18] ceasefire. All want everybody wants an

[19:20] immediate ceasefire, but also we want to

[19:22] think of the next stage. We want to make

[19:24] sure that it doesn't repeat itself. We

[19:26] have been too many times in these

[19:28] stories. You know, 1996, 93, in the 80s,

[19:32] every time we thought we uh came to a

[19:34] ceasefire only for a few months, a few

[19:37] years because building itself, and this

[19:40] is the root cause, should be denied of

[19:43] any military capabilities.

[19:45] >> But are you making progress on that

[19:47] military front? I mean I was in Israel

[19:49] this week as you know and I spoke to

[19:50] many Israeli officials who said that

[19:52] this was a much more difficult fight uh

[19:54] than they expected and Shik Hassan

[19:57] Misallra came out yesterday gave a

[19:58] televised address where he said that

[20:00] it's clear that so far the Zionist enemy

[20:03] hasn't been able to achieve a single

[20:04] military victory. The enemy hasn't had

[20:07] any military successes. It has only

[20:09] destroyed buildings and killed civilians

[20:11] and this is not a military victory. Even

[20:13] the most respected Israeli military

[20:16] analyst Zev Shiff says that this is not

[20:18] going well.

[20:19] >> Well, I would uh not pass judgment

[20:22] certainly not when the um the operation

[20:25] still goes on. We have made a lot of

[20:29] progress in terms of uh destroying

[20:32] capabilities. Of course, not all of

[20:33] them. And we're not going to go after

[20:35] the last uh terrorist. The idea is to

[20:39] create a different strategic structure,

[20:43] a different political reality in Lebanon

[20:46] which will unfold the from the top and

[20:49] this is why we would like to make sure

[20:51] that is defanged to the extent possible

[20:54] and then I believe it will

[20:57] >> but aren't your military and your

[20:58] political goals colliding here? You may

[21:00] be degrading some of the Hezbollah

[21:02] military capability, but they can uh

[21:04] create many more uh guerillas and they

[21:06] seem to be gaining strength, gaining

[21:08] sympathy across the Arab world, even

[21:11] from Arab governments who previously

[21:12] criticized them. I beg to differ. You

[21:15] know, when people talk about this, how

[21:16] many more how much more hatred there

[21:18] could be? I mean, ifah or Iran talks

[21:21] about destruction of Israel or

[21:23] destruction for the US for that purpose

[21:24] or others, how much more more hatred

[21:26] there could be. So if we sit back and

[21:29] relax, it's just going to go against us

[21:32] because they are going to ri the

[21:33] population anyway. I think it is time

[21:35] for the Arabs to understand that there

[21:37] is a price for their entransigence and

[21:39] for violence and aggression. And I

[21:41] believe once the dust settles all those

[21:43] who are now criticizing will come on the

[21:46] side hopefully of a strong multinational

[21:48] force on the on the side of the Lebanese

[21:51] government in uh exercising their

[21:54] >> one of one of the demands of the

[21:55] Lebanese government is that Israel not

[21:57] only move out of southern Lebanon but

[21:58] that they move out of an area called the

[22:00] Shabbah Farms which as you know is

[22:02] disputed territory on the border of

[22:04] Israel, Lebanon and Syria that Israel

[22:06] has occupied since 1967 as part of a

[22:10] comprehensive

[22:11] agreement. Would Israel be prepared to

[22:13] move out of Shabbat arms?

[22:14] >> Well, this is something that first has

[22:16] to be sorted between Lebanon and Syria

[22:18] because near as I can know and you look

[22:21] at all the maps at the UN, Shabbah is a

[22:24] Syrian territory, not a Lebanese

[22:25] territory. When we pulled out of Lebanon

[22:27] totally, uh the international line which

[22:30] was demarcated by the UN and recognized

[22:32] universally was that this is the border,

[22:35] international recognized border between

[22:37] Israel and Lebanon which does not

[22:39] include the Shabbah arm. So first of

[22:41] all, let's let them sort between

[22:43] themselves.

[22:43] >> So you're not ready to say yes yet?

[22:45] >> Not not at all.

[22:46] >> Ambassador Alone, thank you very much.

[22:47] >> Thank you.

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[26:38] >> Time now for the round table. I am

[26:39] joined as always by George Will Fared

[26:41] Zakaria. Welcome back to Claire Shipman

[26:43] and Jay Carney of Time magazine. And

[26:45] George, let let me begin with you. I

[26:47] mean, we are now entering the third week

[26:49] in the middle of the third week of this

[26:51] war. Secretary Rice says they're making

[26:53] progress this morning, but her meetings

[26:55] have been cancelled, and it certainly

[26:57] seems to me at least that we are no

[26:59] closer to finding a real way out.

[27:02] >> No, we're we're facing a cascading of

[27:04] events that calls to mind to some people

[27:06] 1914 when a little episode in Sievo

[27:09] produced four years of world calamity.

[27:11] We're not there yet, but everyone has

[27:13] been surprised and unpleasantly so. I

[27:16] think the Hezbollah is probably

[27:18] surprised and perhaps not pleasantly so

[27:20] by the response of Israel to the

[27:21] kidnapping of two soldiers. Israel has

[27:23] been unpleasantly surprised by what it

[27:25] has learned about the new competence of

[27:27] Hezbollah at small unit combat. Iran for

[27:31] all we know may be surprised at the use

[27:33] that Hezbollah has made of rockets

[27:35] provided by Iran. So when you have a

[27:37] situation where everyone is surprised,

[27:40] you have a really alarming situation.

[27:41] >> And Far the the Israeli ambassador said

[27:43] that he's not going to judge the

[27:44] military operation so far, but clearly

[27:47] it is not going how Israel hoped and

[27:49] Hezbollah has been a much tougher foe

[27:51] than they expected.

[27:52] >> Well, and this is somewhat predictable

[27:53] in the sense that these kind of

[27:55] guerrilla operations, these kind of

[27:56] insurgency forces are never decimated by

[27:59] conventional military force. It's look

[28:01] at Iraq, it's not happening there. The

[28:04] idea that you will be able to eliminate

[28:06] Hezbollah uh just doesn't make any sense

[28:08] because what they feed on more than

[28:10] anything else is hatred, recruits,

[28:13] intensity of emotion. And as you said uh

[28:16] in your interview with him, the

[28:17] political and military calculus here are

[28:19] very different. And I I would argue that

[28:22] Israel is of course justified. Um

[28:24] Hezbollah is the bad guy here. But ask

[28:26] yourself a simple question. In all of

[28:28] Georgia's calculus is in like in all

[28:31] likelihood is Hzbollah today stronger

[28:34] than it was three weeks ago. It has more

[28:36] sympathy from the Marinites. You see

[28:38] Marinite organizations in Lebanon now

[28:40] supporting it. It has more sympathy from

[28:42] the Sunnis. It has more sympathy from

[28:44] the the Shia and Sunni of Iraq and the

[28:46] broader Middle East. So from at a very

[28:49] fundamental level, I would argue

[28:50] Hezbollah is getting stronger. Yeah, and

[28:53] I think it's been a curious

[28:55] transformation for me to watch for the

[28:57] diplomacy of Condisa Rice. I mean, the

[28:59] advent of Rice at the State Department

[29:01] seemed to signal a more pragmatic sort

[29:04] of diplomacy. The way we were handling

[29:06] Iran and North Korea, as Time magazine

[29:08] so aptly put it, it was the end of

[29:10] cowboy diplomacy. But I think it looks

[29:12] as though the boots and the hat are back

[29:14] on. The United States is going it alone.

[29:16] And I'm not sure,

[29:17] >> but there were some reports at the

[29:19] beginning of this especially that

[29:20] Kandandy Rice was fighting inside that

[29:22] she was the one calling up Prime

[29:23] Minister Omar Merritt all the time

[29:24] saying restrain yourself, restrain

[29:26] yourself, restrain yourself. And the

[29:27] Israelis say back said back off and she

[29:29] took the party line.

[29:30] >> Well,

[29:31] >> she took the party line and I I think

[29:33] there is a compelling argument. There

[29:34] was a compelling argument that was made

[29:36] internally within the administration

[29:37] that it made sense that the Israelis

[29:39] were making to the White House to let

[29:42] the Israelis try to degrade Hezbollah.

[29:44] We have all been surprised, as George

[29:46] said, by the ferocity with which

[29:49] Hezbollah continues to fight and by the

[29:50] lack of success of the Israelis. And

[29:52] what has happened now is that this

[29:54] gamble they took, this assumption that

[29:55] the Israelis with their mighty force

[29:57] could do something substantial against

[29:58] Hisba has given us a situation where

[30:01] Israel's position is weakened. The

[30:03] United States position is weakened.

[30:04] Hisbas is is increased. Shik Nalla is

[30:07] now a hero around the Muslim world and

[30:09] the and the gamble failed. So, George,

[30:11] does this all add up to uh putting

[30:14] pressure on Israel to actually cut short

[30:16] the military campaign or do they simply

[30:18] continue?

[30:18] >> They can't cut it short and they can't

[30:20] continue. They can't not continue until

[30:23] there's something to fill the vacuum.

[30:25] The problem is a vacuum in a sovereign

[30:27] state, the south of Lebanon. The

[30:29] adjective dour this morning is a robust

[30:32] multinational force. That's because it

[30:34] depends on the size, depends on its

[30:36] armament, and most of all, it depends on

[30:38] its rules of engagement. Because

[30:39] multilaterational forces have a history

[30:41] of making matters worse. There has been

[30:43] one in South Lebanon for 28 years. It

[30:45] was the withdrawal when Egypt said boo

[30:48] of the UN forces in 1967 that lit the

[30:51] fuse to a huge conflict. The worst

[30:53] massacre in Europe since the Second

[30:55] World War occurred down the road from

[30:57] 600 lightly armed, utterly confused and

[30:59] feckless UN Dutch troops in Secretary

[31:04] Burns uh diplomatically glided by my

[31:06] question on just that point because

[31:08] there is a dispute now about the rules

[31:10] of engagement. Many of the nations who

[31:11] are going to bring the troops in don't

[31:13] want to fight their way in to Lebanon

[31:15] and don't want to be subject to

[31:16] Hezbollah suicide bombings. The only

[31:18] time peacekeeping forces work is when

[31:20] there is a peace to keep. And that means

[31:22] you have to have an agreed standoff

[31:25] between the two waring parties and

[31:27] that's Israel and Hezbollah. And the

[31:29] idea that you would be able to do this

[31:31] without involving Hisbala by by by you

[31:34] know having no communication with it

[31:36] doesn't recognize the reality. Hezbollah

[31:38] is not simply a powerful political force

[31:41] within the Shia community of Lebanon 1.3

[31:43] 1.4 million people. It is now, as Clare

[31:46] was saying, probably the most popular

[31:48] political organization in the Arab

[31:49] world.

[31:50] >> And does that go ahead.

[31:51] >> Well, what I was going to say is I think

[31:53] you also have to look at the bigger

[31:54] picture. This isn't just about Hezbollah

[31:56] and Israel. Proxy war between the United

[31:59] States and Iran and that the United

[32:01] States would be surprised that something

[32:03] like this could happen is in fact

[32:05] surprising. Iran was just about to get

[32:07] boxed in at the G8 with Russia offering

[32:10] to support the US position and boom, one

[32:14] day before look what happens. That the

[32:16] US would be surprised about that is odd.

[32:18] And furthermore, the idea that the

[32:20] United States can play a role in in in a

[32:22] diplomatic solution when it's not

[32:24] talking to the two key diplomatic

[32:26] players that affect Iran and Syria, is

[32:30] almost ridiculous.

[32:31] >> I I agree with that. I I do think and

[32:32] you brought it up with the Israeli

[32:34] ambassador there is a solution here when

[32:35] you talk about give what what does

[32:37] Hezbollah want what's the what piece of

[32:40] territory what you know what what

[32:42] outcome can they live with and agree and

[32:43] in the end agree to some sort of

[32:44] ceasefire that they participate in and

[32:46] Shabbat arms seems to be you know the

[32:48] one element

[32:48] >> that's the face saving

[32:50] >> that's the face saving element I mean

[32:51] we're this is not a large piece of land

[32:53] here it seems like it is a negotiable

[32:55] item that could get us somewhere

[32:57] >> the United States does say condisa rice

[32:59] does say the object is not to destroy

[33:01] destroy Hezbollah. It is to what I guess

[33:04] turn them into a political party which

[33:05] they already are in the sense that they

[33:07] have 28 or so members of the of the

[33:10] parliament there. That's a very

[33:12] difficult thing to do with with F-16s is

[33:15] to trans I think the question is again

[33:17] this this broader political one. I

[33:18] wonder whether Israel will look back.

[33:20] You know, in 1967, it took over the West

[33:23] Bank in Gaza. Militarily effective,

[33:26] smart. It took on a political problem of

[33:28] having eventually 3 million Palestinians

[33:31] that didn't want to govern. Many people

[33:32] would redo that trade as Bengorian

[33:34] suggested they do. In ' 82, it invaded

[33:37] Lebanon, radicalized the Shia

[33:39] population, created Hezbollah. Many

[33:41] people would redo that trade. I wonder

[33:43] today whether they will look at this

[33:45] military strike militarily effective but

[33:48] producing political consequences in

[33:50] Lebanon and outside the state.

[33:52] >> I question its military effectiveness. I

[33:54] remember I mean they say we're getting

[33:56] the infrastructure. What infrastructure

[33:58] are we talking about? Thousand rocket

[34:00] spring 1970 the United States invaded

[34:02] the Parrots portion of Cambodia to get

[34:05] Kazvan central office South Vietnam

[34:08] supposedly of the North Vietnamese and

[34:10] the Vietkong. We found some desks, some

[34:12] tunnels, some shacks, and that was it.

[34:13] It had no effect on the war itself.

[34:16] >> For you, address the broader question

[34:17] that Clare raised just a minute ago,

[34:19] Syria and Iran, the uh the patrons of of

[34:22] Hezbollah. I was struck on at the

[34:24] president's press conference on Friday.

[34:26] He called out Iran very forcefully. In

[34:29] Friday's press conference, he seemed to

[34:31] take a slightly softer line, almost

[34:33] encouraging s Syria, and it seemed like

[34:35] the US strategy at this point might be

[34:37] to try to divorce Syria from Iran.

[34:39] >> But here's our problem. We have boxed

[34:40] ourselves into a terrible situation. We

[34:43] never talk to these countries. We

[34:44] isolate them in the hope that somehow

[34:46] they'll miraculously change. But then

[34:48] we're forced to talk to them. We talk to

[34:50] North Korea when it develops nuclear

[34:52] weapons. We offer to talk to Iran when

[34:54] it starts developing nuclear weapons.

[34:56] Now there's talk that perhaps we should

[34:58] talk to Syria. And I think it's a it's a

[35:00] bad idea in in the sense that we are

[35:02] rewarding bad behavior. But it only be

[35:05] it it's a problem because we never

[35:07] talked to these countries in the first

[35:08] place. The whole idea of isolating these

[35:10] countries and not having talked to them

[35:12] has meant we have no leverage in the

[35:14] area. And then when things get really

[35:16] bad, guess what? We have to end up

[35:18] talking to them anyway.

[35:19] >> Bad but necessary. Jay,

[35:20] >> I think there is no other option. And I

[35:22] think that the goal of separating Syria

[35:24] from Iran has to come with something for

[35:26] Syria. And that and that's I think what

[35:27] you're talking about that there'll be

[35:28] some benefit that Syria gains from uh

[35:32] allowing Hisba to to go forward in the

[35:34] way it has. But I I I do believe that's

[35:35] probably the next step. And it's just

[35:37] stunning to me that time after time this

[35:39] administration misjudges the importance

[35:42] of public opinion in this region and the

[35:45] important role. I mean you look at

[35:46] what's happened with Guantanamo and Abu

[35:48] Grave and think about the images that

[35:51] today will have in that region. It it's

[35:54] stunning.

[35:55] >> Mean meanwhile the images that were

[35:56] pressed down this week were the news

[35:58] that in any other week would have made

[36:00] massive headlines in the United States.

[36:02] We are actually sending more troops to

[36:04] Iraq. Here's President Bush.

[36:06] Obviously, the violence in Baghdad is uh

[36:11] still terrible

[36:14] and therefore there needs to be more

[36:16] more troops. And and and a day after

[36:19] that, George will a quite stunning

[36:21] comment by the commanding general in

[36:23] Iraq, General Carelli, who said that

[36:25] quite frankly, in 33 years in the United

[36:27] States Army, I never train to stop a

[36:30] sectarian fight. This is something new.

[36:33] >> That's right. It's something it's not

[36:34] the war we war gamed as as the military

[36:37] says. The troops we're extending the

[36:39] stay of some troops in Iraq. We're

[36:41] moving troops to Baghdad, the capital,

[36:43] which is not subdued more than three

[36:45] years into the war and we're taking

[36:47] those troops from Anbar province, the

[36:48] subduing of which has been a major

[36:50] futility so far. So this is this is

[36:53] bound to make matters worse.

[36:54] >> There was some Go ahead. I was just

[36:55] going to say that the the uh what what's

[36:58] striking to me about what that general

[36:59] just said, Carelli just said is there

[37:01] has been there was an amnesia after

[37:02] Vietnam. We did not know how to fight an

[37:04] insurgency in Vietnam. And after that,

[37:08] people wanted to wash their hands. So

[37:09] much of the Vietnamese experience that

[37:11] there was no training for

[37:12] counterinsurgency. It's literally the

[37:14] language was not in the training books.

[37:15] That word did not exist. And we're

[37:17] paying the price now. Meanwhile, while

[37:20] Prime Minister Maliki was here this

[37:21] week, um the the sectarian fighting

[37:24] inside Baghdad got worse. They're

[37:26] talking about even carving up Baghdad

[37:27] between Shiites and Sunnis now. And he

[37:29] actually had to cut his trip short uh

[37:32] amid rumors in Baghdad that there might

[37:34] even be a coup. How far how close are we

[37:37] now to the tipping point?

[37:38] >> Well, I think it it is fair to say that

[37:40] we're pretty close to concluding that

[37:42] Maliki's government has failed. uh

[37:44] Maliki came into power with the promise

[37:46] which which was quite hopeful that he

[37:48] was going to provide a major package of

[37:50] national reconciliation measures. The

[37:52] idea was to do two things to as a result

[37:55] draw down the Sunni insurgency and by

[37:58] implication tell the Shia you don't need

[38:00] your own militias because there is no

[38:01] insurgency. Right? He hasn't delivered

[38:04] on either of those ends. He has not been

[38:06] able to provide any kind of amnesty

[38:08] package. He has not been able to draw in

[38:10] the Sunnis as a result. He has not been

[38:12] able to confront the Shia militia, most

[38:14] particularly that of Mktad al-Assad. So

[38:16] I think what you see now is a kind of

[38:19] dysfunctional government in Baghdad.

[38:20] Perhaps inevitably

[38:21] >> it's worse than dysfunctional. There

[38:23] there's a case to be made that his

[38:24] interior ministry is a terrorist

[38:26] organization. Yeah.

[38:27] >> And this was the last best hope this

[38:28] remember once this government was uh in

[38:31] place and Zarqawi was killed that was

[38:33] the great that was the last turning

[38:34] point. there was no other thing to look

[38:36] forward to that would then bring us, you

[38:39] know, uh, peace and

[38:40] >> I think in the United States should

[38:41] seriously begin to consider a method of

[38:45] um, at at the very least threatening

[38:46] withdrawal and say to them, you have two

[38:48] months if you can put together the two

[38:50] conditions have to be

[38:51] >> the timeline we've never wanted though,

[38:52] >> right?

[38:53] >> You've got two months to put together a

[38:55] national package that will bring this,

[38:56] you know, that will that will draw down

[38:58] the Sunni insurgency and confront the

[39:00] Shia militias. In other words, establish

[39:02] yourself as an actual government. And if

[39:04] you don't, uh, I think Peter Gorbreth

[39:06] has a very smart idea of withdrawing to

[39:09] the Kurdish region, which is probably

[39:11] after Israel the most pro-American part

[39:12] of the Middle East, uh, and wait there.

[39:14] Um,

[39:15] >> the benefit of that, of course, is

[39:16] there's broad public support for that

[39:18] because all of this and and what's

[39:20] happening with Hezbollah has just been a

[39:22] disaster at home for the Bush

[39:24] administration.

[39:24] >> Well, and that brings us to the politics

[39:26] of it, Jay. And Claire's exactly right.

[39:28] And I think an awful lot of Republican

[39:30] House members and incumbent senators

[39:32] were hoping that in September there was

[39:34] going to be a big announcement, 10, 15,

[39:36] 20,000 troops coming home. That is not

[39:38] what they're going to get. What is the

[39:39] political impact?

[39:41] >> There there are so many issues, you

[39:42] know, we there are so many issues that

[39:44] are bad for the Republicans right now,

[39:46] but the one that matters most is Iraq

[39:48] and and it is killing them on every

[39:50] level. And there was some brief moment

[39:52] of hope 6 weeks or so ago uh remember

[39:54] the uh the Republicans went on the

[39:56] offensive may force the Democrats to to

[39:58] to vote on some war resolutions in the

[40:00] uh thinking national security

[40:02] traditionally works for

[40:03] >> this will work for us and and six weeks

[40:05] later that looks uh like a faint memory

[40:07] at all.

[40:08] >> In in late October 1980 Ronald Reagan

[40:10] perhaps secured the presidency by in the

[40:12] f in the debate with Jimmy Carter

[40:14] looking the country in the eye and

[40:15] saying are you better off today than you

[40:17] were four years ago. country said

[40:19] stagflation, Iranian hostages. No, they

[40:21] chose Reagan. In 2006, but most

[40:25] important perhaps in 2008, some Democrat

[40:28] or Democrats are going to turn to the

[40:30] country and ask a similarly simple

[40:32] question. Are you safer today? That

[40:34] being the Republican, are you safer

[40:36] today? And I don't think the country

[40:37] feels safe.

[40:37] >> I think the most ominous poll number is

[40:40] that 60% of the nation thinks we're on

[40:43] the wrong track in the wrong direction.

[40:45] And that's just disastrous for

[40:46] Republicans. If I were a Democrat, I

[40:49] would make up a camp a campaign

[40:50] commercial almost entirely of Donald

[40:52] Rumsfeld's press conferences because the

[40:54] man is looking I mean it's not just that

[40:56] he seems like a bad secretary of state.

[40:58] He seems literally in a parallel

[41:00] universe and slightly deranged as a

[41:02] result. If you listen to what he said

[41:04] last week about Iraq, he he's living in

[41:07] a different world, not a different

[41:08] country.

[41:09] >> And that is going to be the last word

[41:10] today for Reed Zakaria, Jay Carney, Cla

[41:12] Shipman, George Will. Thank you all very

[41:14] much. The round table will continue in

[41:15] the green room. You can watch it at

[41:17] abcnews.com.

[41:18] Coming up, Lance on Landis.

[41:22] >> I know what it's like to be um to be

[41:25] accused of things. And you know, my my

[41:27] my suggestion to Floyd would be

[41:30] >> um you know, if you're innocent, if you

[41:32] believe you're innocent, then then you

[41:33] stand up and fight for it. I mean,

[41:34] that's what I did for I've done for the

[41:36] better part of 10 years.

[41:37] >> And later, the Sunday Funnies.

[41:39] >> And the most ridiculous story of the

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[44:26] >> How's everyone else? A lot of things

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[46:49] So, boss, what keeps you up at night?

[46:53] Maybe you've been tasked with coming up

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[47:14] Now, who's going to help you do that?

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[48:19] >> There's a company that builds more than

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[48:27] One that has 10 plants

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[48:38] its dealers and suppliers has helped

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[48:42] A company proud to do its small part to

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[48:51] >> My brothers and sisters, how different

[48:53] we are. But for better or worse, that's

[48:56] what we've got. They might be the people

[48:58] you love the most.

[48:59] >> You come in from your Fortune 500

[49:00] company and they fall all over

[49:02] themselves.

[49:02] >> Next time don't drop out of college.

[49:04] >> But they're also the people you

[49:06] understand the least.

[49:07] >> Does this say hip late night TV talk

[49:08] show host or bored French housewife on

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[49:36] Wednesday, see for yourself mindbending

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[49:53] voice this week, Lance Armstrong. He

[49:55] traded in the tour to France for a tour

[49:57] of Iowa this summer to a hero's welcome

[50:00] at every stop.

[50:04] >> And when that news broke about Floyd

[50:06] Landis, Armstrong had a piece of advice

[50:08] for his successor.

[50:10] >> My suggestion to Floyd would be um you

[50:13] know, if you're innocent, if you believe

[50:14] you're innocent, then then you stand up

[50:15] and fight for it. If that means talking

[50:17] to the press, if that means suing

[50:19] somebody, if that means, you know,

[50:21] writing about it, thinking about it,

[50:22] talking about it, you have to do it.

[50:24] >> Lance was in Iowa to fire up the

[50:26] nation's first presidential voters about

[50:28] his other passion, the fight against

[50:30] cancer.

[50:31] >> Politically speaking, this is a very

[50:33] important state for uh for our country,

[50:36] for the election in '08, for the issues

[50:38] that will be raised, the questions that

[50:40] will be asked. Uh, and what a great

[50:42] opportunity to take whatever success I

[50:44] had on the bike, keep it on the bike,

[50:46] keep it with the people of Iowa. I've

[50:48] been on a lot of bike rides in my day,

[50:49] but I've never seen a bike ride like

[50:52] this.

[50:54] >> This ride is famous for the the old

[50:56] ladies in the square bacon pies. And,

[51:00] you know, so they they always they asked

[51:01] me what my favorite pie was. I said

[51:03] coconut cream pie. had a cold beer in

[51:05] the middle of the ride, which years and

[51:07] years of the tour to France where you're

[51:08] drinking some sort of energy drink or

[51:11] water and now now you're drinking a

[51:13] beer, a cold beer in the middle of the

[51:14] bike ride. And but that's what they do.

[51:17] I mean, these people, they ride all day

[51:18] long. They drink beer. They eat pork

[51:20] chops, eat pies, and keep riding.

[51:22] >> Bananas don't like hill.

[51:23] >> It's a hell of a lot more fun than the

[51:24] tour. Our mission is to make cancer a

[51:27] national priority. Just like uh just

[51:29] like war would be, just like terror

[51:31] would be, just like immigration or

[51:33] education or or

[51:36] abortion or gay marriage, all of the

[51:38] things that we know are are are

[51:41] political topics and and hot buttons.

[51:44] And you know, to me, especially sitting

[51:46] here as a as a 10ear cancer survivor, um

[51:50] an issue like this that's the number one

[51:51] killer in this country should be a

[51:53] priority. It should be discussed. It

[51:55] should be debated. For me, it my dream

[51:57] would just

[51:59] we're going to watch, I think, three

[52:00] presidential debates in 2008, one vice

[52:04] presidential debate. Let's let's ask the

[52:06] question. Let's have a moderator that at

[52:07] least asked the question. So, when they

[52:10] come through this great state in 2008,

[52:11] folks, ask them what's your plan? And

[52:17] there's a lot of reasons I can't be the

[52:19] candidate in in Iowa. And I and I don't

[52:21] want to be I want to lead a movement

[52:23] right now. And I I I I might be wrong. I

[52:26] might be wrong that that the best way to

[52:28] do that is being out of office or being

[52:30] right down the middle. I could be wrong.

[52:32] I mean, perhaps change uh could be

[52:34] affected on a much greater level if I

[52:36] was in office or if I was a a senator or

[52:39] governor or whatever. But I I don't

[52:42] think so right now. I think right now I

[52:44] need to be very neutral. Uh I need to

[52:46] recognize and remind people that that

[52:48] this is this isn't a political issue.

[52:50] But

[52:52] uh you know if if if the time ever came

[52:54] and and the and the nudge was there, you

[52:57] know, you never say never, but you know

[52:59] somewhere in there there's a place for

[53:01] this disease to to to uh to not only be

[53:04] funded, but to be put back in the hearts

[53:06] and minds of American people and and

[53:08] know that uh that the the odds are

[53:11] startling. One out of two men, one out

[53:13] of three women, you 1500 lives a day,

[53:16] 600,000 people a year. Many of them

[53:19] never needed to die, never needed to to

[53:21] go through the pain and suffering that

[53:22] that they ultimately will. It's got to

[53:24] stop.

[53:26] >> You can hear more from Lance at Voices

[53:28] Plus at abcnews.com. And now, the Sunday

[53:31] Funnies.

[53:32] >> And John Kerry said today that if he

[53:34] were president, the current conflict in

[53:37] the Middle East would not be happening.

[53:39] And his wife Teresa said, "Yes, I know,

[53:41] dear. Just take out the trash.

[53:44] >> By the way, interesting tidbit.

[53:49] The United States sold Israel much of

[53:50] the weaponry currently being used to

[53:52] bomb southern Lebanon. So when Madam

[53:54] Secretary flew there to express her

[53:56] solidarity with Prime Minister Foud Sora

[53:58] and the Lebanese people, it was awkward.

[54:03] If only the Associated Press photo of

[54:05] the event could in some way

[54:06] metaphorically capture that awkwardness.

[54:10] That's the real picture.

[54:13] >> Things are looking a little grim last

[54:14] week. All those countries pressuring us

[54:16] to call for an immediate ceasefire, but

[54:18] we stayed strong. Sure, we sent over

[54:21] Condi Rice to negotiate, but she's not

[54:23] there for a ceasefire. No, she's there

[54:25] for a quote sustainable ceasefire, which

[54:28] considering the Middle East is like

[54:30] sending her to bring back Jimmy Hawa on

[54:32] a unicorn.

[54:35] Earlier today, former President Bill

[54:36] Clinton campaigned for Senator Joe

[54:38] Lieberman. Clinton got the crowd so

[54:41] worked up that they had trouble sleeping

[54:43] through the Lieberman speech.

[54:46] >> That's our show for today. Stay tuned to

[54:48] ABC News for continuing coverage of the

[54:50] crisis in the Middle East. And thanks

[54:52] for sharing part of your Sunday with us.

[54:53] We'll see you next week.

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