Face the Nation (CBS) - 2006-07-30

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[0:00] Inside Pamela Anderson's St. Tropez

[0:03] wedding, next ET.

[0:06] Today on Face the Nation, Israel bombs a

[0:09] Lebanese village and that causes

[0:11] Lebanon's Prime Minister to disinvite

[0:13] Secretary of State Rice, who had been

[0:16] planning a visit to Beirut. We'll talk

[0:19] to the Prime Minister and Israeli Deputy

[0:21] Prime Minister Shimon Peres.

[0:24] The Israeli attack was on the village of

[0:26] Qana and it left at least 50 people

[0:29] dead, half of them children. That sent

[0:32] thousands of anti-American and

[0:34] anti-Israeli protesters to the streets

[0:36] of Beirut. That is when Lebanon told

[0:39] Secretary Rice to stay in Israel. We'll

[0:42] go to Beirut to talk with the Lebanese

[0:44] Prime Minister Fouad Siniora. Then we'll

[0:47] get Israel's side from Deputy Prime

[0:50] Minister Shimon Peres. Plus the latest

[0:53] from the battlefield from Chief Foreign

[0:55] Correspondent Lara Logan. Then I'll have

[0:58] a final word on why the United States

[1:00] finds so many people not to talk to

[1:03] these days. But first, what next in the

[1:06] Middle East on Face the Nation.

[1:16] Face the Nation with CBS News Chief

[1:19] Washington Correspondent Bob Schieffer.

[1:22] And now from CBS News in Washington, Bob

[1:25] Schieffer.

[1:26] And good morning again. Efforts to get a

[1:28] ceasefire in the Middle East are in a

[1:30] shambles this morning after those

[1:32] Israeli air attacks on the Lebanese

[1:34] village. Lebanon told Secretary of State

[1:37] Rice she was no longer welcome in

[1:39] Beirut. The American version is she

[1:41] canceled the visit. Whatever the case,

[1:43] we're told she will return to

[1:45] Washington.

[1:47] Our Chief Foreign Correspondent Lara

[1:49] Logan is in Tel Aviv this morning. Uh

[1:51] Lara, first, what can you tell us about

[1:54] this attack?

[1:56] Well, what we know is that the Israeli

[1:58] army hit a residential area in the

[2:01] village of Qana and a huge number of

[2:04] women and children are amongst those

[2:06] killed. It really was a catastrophic

[2:09] attack and the Israeli army is saying in

[2:12] their defense that they did not know

[2:14] that civilians were present in the

[2:16] building at the time, otherwise they

[2:18] would never have launched the strike.

[2:20] They say that this particular area has

[2:22] been used to fire hundreds of rockets at

[2:25] Israel and that they had warned the

[2:27] people living there and staying there to

[2:29] get out of the village a few days before

[2:32] the strike actually took place.

[2:34] But at the same time, the the

[2:36] devastation is absolutely huge and there

[2:39] are Israeli ministers coming out and

[2:41] saying that the loss of life is very,

[2:43] very tragic and that they sincerely

[2:45] regret this.

[2:47] There are people still going through the

[2:49] rubble there at the scene inside Lebanon

[2:51] obviously quite devastating. Well, also

[2:54] we we have seen the Lebanese Prime

[2:56] Minister this morning tell the Secretary

[2:59] of State Condoleezza Rice that she is no

[3:01] longer welcome in Beirut and there is

[3:04] also, we are told, a large

[3:06] demonstrations in Beirut today.

[3:10] That's right, about 5,000 people

[3:11] protesting in Beirut outside the United

[3:13] Nations. A few car windows smashed and

[3:16] the building broken into. People in fact

[3:18] shouting slogans, "Destroy Tel Aviv."

[3:21] Obviously they're wanting to hit back at

[3:23] the loss.

[3:24] And what's interesting about this, Bob,

[3:26] is really this particular village was

[3:28] the site of another Israeli air strike

[3:30] in 1996 that killed more than 100

[3:32] civilians who were sheltering at a UN

[3:34] base there and it was a turning point in

[3:36] that operation that many people believe

[3:38] brought about the end of that Israeli

[3:40] offensive and a lot of people here see

[3:42] it as another turning point that it

[3:44] might in fact bring about the ceasefire

[3:46] the Lebanese Prime Minister has been

[3:48] calling for.

[3:50] Lara, what is your sense of what happens

[3:52] next here?

[3:54] Well, clearly Israel is politically

[3:56] weakened by this. It goes against what

[3:59] they were hoping for, which is to go to

[4:00] the negotiating table with as much

[4:02] damage done to Hezbollah as possible and

[4:05] in the strongest position possible to

[4:06] get what they are looking for out of

[4:08] this. And now they're they are probably

[4:10] going to have to, with all the

[4:11] international pressure and the outrage

[4:13] over this, particularly as well from

[4:15] moderate Arab governments who are no

[4:18] friends of Hezbollah but are reluctant

[4:20] to be associated with, you know, the

[4:22] huge amount of deaths of Lebanese

[4:24] civilians. So, there's going to be an

[4:26] extraordinary amount of pressure on

[4:27] Israel now to bring about a ceasefire

[4:29] first before the other conditions are

[4:31] met and that's what Israel was trying to

[4:33] avoid. But it really doesn't seem like

[4:35] there's going to be any other way

[4:36] forward. This might be the end of the

[4:38] war. It might bring it about sooner than

[4:40] ever. All right. Well, thank you very

[4:41] much, Lara.

[4:43] And we want to go now to Beirut to talk

[4:46] to the Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad

[4:49] Siniora who has made time

[4:51] on this day to talk to us. So, Prime

[4:53] Minister, thank you very much. Tell us

[4:55] what is the situation there this

[4:57] morning?

[5:00] >> Well, the situation is very bad. At 1:30

[5:04] a.m. this morning

[5:05] and after 50 raids

[5:08] on the on the village of Qana they

[5:10] raided one building

[5:13] and more than 50 persons were get killed

[5:17] in the shelter

[5:18] and 50% of this 50 50 people killed

[5:23] actually they are children. One of them

[5:25] is less than one day old.

[5:28] And this raid against this kind this

[5:31] this village of Qana

[5:32] is in fact the repetition of another

[5:35] raid that they committed

[5:37] at that time a crime 10 years ago

[5:40] and they killed more than 100 people

[5:44] in the outpost of a UN

[5:47] position.

[5:48] Those people at that time went to for

[5:51] shelter in that in in in that place and

[5:54] they got killed. Today more than 50

[5:56] persons got killed. At that time they

[5:59] called that invasion the Grapes of

[6:02] Wrath.

[6:03] I believe that this invasion today

[6:06] is the Grapes of Hatred.

[6:08] The Israelis are committing really

[6:12] state-sponsored terrorism.

[6:15] Uh Ambassador

[6:16] >> This thing is the

[6:18] Uh yes, please.

[6:18] >> Prime Minister Yes.

[6:20] the Israelis are saying that the people

[6:22] in this area were warned that these

[6:25] raids, and this came by air, right?

[6:27] These were bombing strikes.

[6:29] Were they warned? Were there warnings

[6:31] given?

[6:33] >> They were not warned and in fact the

[6:36] village had more than 50 raids at that

[6:39] time. All night.

[6:41] And people got shelter in the building

[6:43] and they were killed in the shelter. So

[6:47] >> a repetition of what they have done

[6:49] 10 years ago. So, you're saying there

[6:51] were 50 separate strikes here on this

[6:54] village?

[6:57] Yes. They they were they they had they

[6:59] had these raids and in fact they

[7:03] bombarded that building.

[7:05] Now, what we are really saying in this

[7:09] is that Israel for the past 18 days have

[7:12] been sub subjecting the whole country

[7:16] to continuous raids. More than 700

[7:19] people got killed by now and more than

[7:21] 3,000 are injured. And in fact they have

[7:25] been cutting the whole country into

[7:27] pieces. They destroyed more than 70

[7:30] bridges so far.

[7:32] And already they are putting the whole

[7:34] country into its knees. All right. What

[7:37] we have been trying to do in the past

[7:40] few days we we came with

[7:43] with a

[7:45] a seven-points position

[7:47] and the meeting of Rome in which we

[7:49] asked for an immediate ceasefire an

[7:52] unconditional one. Uh And in which we

[7:55] tried to really find solution for all

[7:57] the problems that preceded and that

[7:59] followed the incident of 12th of July.

[8:02] Prime Minister, was it after this raid

[8:04] today that you said that the Secretary

[8:07] of State Condoleezza Rice would be

[8:09] unwelcome in Beirut?

[8:13] Well, what I have said to Secretary Rice

[8:16] that we have been all the past days

[8:18] working in trying to find out a way

[8:21] to really bring an immediate ceasefire.

[8:25] What we have really been witnessing is

[8:27] something beyond beyond description.

[8:31] And this is something that is

[8:32] unacceptable and that's why we are

[8:35] asking for an immediate and

[8:37] unconditional ceasefire. We cannot

[8:39] continue discussing under the sword of

[8:42] blood that is being put on our necks.

[8:46] This is the thing that we are asking

[8:48] from the international community. I

[8:50] would like to seize this opportunity of

[8:52] addressing the American people

[8:54] and the American mothers.

[8:56] Can they tolerate

[8:58] this type of of crimes that are being

[9:01] committed? These crimes are against

[9:04] humanity that are being committed by by

[9:07] the Israelis. It is high time to really

[9:10] ask the American people to stand for

[9:13] peace and to ask for an immediate

[9:15] ceasefire. It is not possible for this

[9:18] small country to be subjected to this

[9:21] war machine, the most sophisticated war

[9:23] machine. All right. And it is creating

[9:26] this type of killing. Let me ask you

[9:27] this.

[9:28] Prime Minister Let me ask you this. Do

[9:31] you have no influence whatsoever on

[9:34] Hezbollah? Can't you exert your

[9:37] influence at this point? Your government

[9:40] seems to have done nothing to stop them

[9:43] from firing these rockets at Israel.

[9:46] Well

[9:47] Well, Bob

[9:49] from day one we've said that the

[9:51] Lebanese government did not know

[9:54] about this incident and takes no

[9:57] responsibility and disavow itself from

[10:00] what really have happened. And we said

[10:02] that we are ready to step in to find a

[10:05] solution for the Lebanese detainees and

[10:08] for the abducted soldiers. And at the

[10:10] same time, we said that it's high time

[10:12] to look into the matter and find a

[10:13] solution. What is the problem? Why this

[10:16] thing has been continuing? Because

[10:18] Israel is still occupying a part of

[10:20] Lebanon. The Shebaa Farms are still

[10:23] being occupied by Israel. It's high time

[10:26] to find a solution. We have been always

[10:28] looking at things and the and the world

[10:30] opinion and the world leaders, they are

[10:33] looking into the symptoms of matters. It

[10:35] is high time to really solve the issue.

[10:38] We said that the Lebanese government is

[10:40] ready to prevail all over all over the

[10:44] the Lebanese territory and to be in

[10:46] charge and at the same time that no

[10:49] weapons are in Lebanon except that of

[10:51] the Lebanese authority. Prime Minister

[10:54] >> would be in line with the with the the

[10:56] withdrawal of the Israelis from the

[10:58] Shebaa Farms. Well, Prime Minister,

[11:00] Hezbollah now says they are going to

[11:02] retaliate for this attack today. Will

[11:04] you try to dissuade them from that? I

[11:07] mean, wouldn't that be one way to try to

[11:09] work toward a cease-fire?

[11:13] Look, Bob, you know that blood calls for

[11:16] blood.

[11:17] We have been putting our position very

[11:19] clear.

[11:20] We are asking for an immediate

[11:22] cease-fire

[11:23] and we are asking for the withdrawal of

[11:25] the Israelis from the Lebanese

[11:26] territory. And immediately we have all

[11:29] to step in with all the leaders at the

[11:32] at the Security Council and everywhere

[11:35] to really push for a real solution of

[11:38] the problems that is causing this

[11:40] continuous bloodshed. Israel has been

[11:45] uh occupying the Shebaa Farms for years

[11:48] and years and they have not withdrawn.

[11:50] Israel has been

[11:51] keeping certain Lebanese detainees in

[11:53] its prisons for the past 28 years and

[11:56] the and it does not want to release

[11:58] them. Israel has been denying Lebanon

[12:00] even one little thing of providing

[12:02] Lebanon with the maps for the land mines

[12:05] that they have planted in Lebanon and

[12:07] they are not really yielding to to our

[12:10] request of providing us with the with

[12:12] the maps that is killing every month a

[12:14] number of Lebanese. This situation is

[12:17] unbearable. We are saying that we want

[12:19] peace. We want peace under the

[12:21] initiative of the of the Arabs that was

[12:24] made in the year 2002. In the meantime,

[12:26] what we are calling, we want to have a

[12:29] cease-fire and to really lead towards

[12:32] having the

[12:34] the everybody to comply with the

[12:36] armistice of 1949 that was signed at at

[12:40] that time. I think this is the way the

[12:42] right way how to solve matters and that

[12:44] this will lead towards really working

[12:47] for the ultimate peace that should be

[12:50] the objective of all concern. All

[12:52] peace-loving nations should be working

[12:54] towards having a real peace in the

[12:56] region. All right, Mr. Prime Minister,

[12:58] we have to leave it there. We thank you

[13:00] for taking time to talk to us this

[13:02] morning. Thank you, sir.

[13:04] Thank you very much, Bob. Thank you for

[13:06] all the all all the American people as

[13:08] well.

[13:09] So, an impassioned Prime Minister of

[13:11] Lebanon. We'll be back in a moment with

[13:13] the Israeli

[13:15] Vice Premier and Deputy Prime Minister

[13:17] and Nobel Laureate, Shimon Peres, in

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[15:12] Israeli Vice Premier and Deputy Prime

[15:14] Minister, Shimon Peres. Minister, thank

[15:17] you very much for coming. Well, you just

[15:18] heard

[15:20] the Prime Minister of Lebanon saying

[15:22] that nothing can happen here until there

[15:24] can be a cease-fire,

[15:26] but there is a report now coming out of

[15:28] Jerusalem on the Associated Press that

[15:31] says that the

[15:35] Israel has told Condoleezza Rice that

[15:37] Israel may need another 2 weeks to get

[15:40] the job done there.

[15:42] Does that sound right to you?

[15:45] Before I shall answer the question, let

[15:47] me say how sorry am I to see the

[15:50] children that lost their lives.

[15:54] Every child in the life is a hope for

[15:56] humanity.

[15:58] Every child,

[16:00] Jewish, Arab, American, doesn't matter,

[16:04] that loses his life is a tragedy for all

[16:06] of us.

[16:07] I really feel

[16:09] sorry and sad for what has happened.

[16:13] Now, Mr. Siniora, the Prime Minister of

[16:15] Lebanon, doesn't need a moment to have a

[16:18] cease-fire.

[16:19] He can tell Hezbollah to stop firing and

[16:22] there will be a cease-fire.

[16:24] You know, I am 83 years old. I went

[16:26] through all the wars and all the peace.

[16:29] It took us four wars with Egypt before

[16:33] we have had peace.

[16:35] There were times of disappointment, but

[16:37] we got

[16:38] peace.

[16:39] It took us two wars to get peace with

[16:41] Jordan. Finally, we have peace.

[16:44] With Lebanon, it's hard for us to

[16:46] understand. There were already four

[16:49] wars.

[16:50] None of them

[16:51] was launched by the Lebanese,

[16:53] but each of them was launched from

[16:56] Lebanon by foreign forces

[16:58] and the Lebanese government was like a

[17:00] bystander as though it doesn't belong to

[17:03] them.

[17:04] In '82,

[17:06] there was the PLO and finally the PLO

[17:08] was pushed out because we had to push

[17:11] them out. They fired at us all the time.

[17:14] And then again in '96 when I was Prime

[17:17] Minister,

[17:18] the Hezbollah started to fire on Israel.

[17:21] God knows what for. What was the reason?

[17:23] What was the purpose?

[17:25] For a week time, our people were in

[17:27] shelters. I didn't reply.

[17:29] I asked the United States. I asked the

[17:31] Syrians. Uh we asked the Lebanese. They

[17:34] didn't stop. We were left without a

[17:36] choice, but again to reply. Now, believe

[17:39] me, nobody in our country understand

[17:42] what does Hezbollah aim at. What do they

[17:45] want?

[17:46] Why did they started to shoot like

[17:47] crazy? What did they want to achieve?

[17:50] The Shebaa story is a by-side story. It

[17:53] doesn't belong to Lebanon. It belongs to

[17:55] Syria.

[17:57] And the United Nations didn't ask us to

[17:59] leave.

[18:00] I am suggesting to the Prime Minister of

[18:02] Lebanon not to wait for anybody.

[18:05] Tell the Hezbollah to stop shooting that

[18:08] moment, the tragedy will end. All right.

[18:11] Well, let me just ask you about that.

[18:14] Uh I twice asked him about that and he

[18:17] sort of side-stepped the question, but

[18:19] do you think that the government of

[18:21] Lebanon actually has the capacity to

[18:25] make Hezbollah stop? Could they if they

[18:28] did try to do that?

[18:30] Well, if they don't they they don't have

[18:31] a if they don't do they don't have a

[18:33] state.

[18:34] They have 80,000 soldiers.

[18:37] The soldiers didn't try to stop the

[18:39] Hezbollah.

[18:40] How can you know they are the Hezbollah

[18:42] is maybe 6 or 8,000 people?

[18:46] They could have stopped them. They could

[18:47] try to stop them.

[18:49] The Lebanese are really carrying

[18:51] tragedies for no reason without

[18:54] justification, without need. They are

[18:57] not our enemies. We left their land. We

[19:00] didn't ask for their water. We don't

[19:02] intervene in their politics. We feel

[19:04] that we can live together

[19:06] fairly and honestly. They are great

[19:09] people, the Lebanese. We don't hate

[19:10] them. They are great builders, but the

[19:13] Hezbollah is great destroyers. All

[19:15] right. Well, now Hezbollah has just said

[19:17] this morning that they intend to

[19:20] retaliate

[19:22] for this attack that Israel made on this

[19:24] village. Uh

[19:26] what do you think they will and and what

[19:28] will Israel do if they do?

[19:31] Well, they can increase their lack of

[19:33] reasons as until now.

[19:35] I mean, I am really asking, why did they

[19:38] start? And by increasing the retaliate

[19:42] the retaliation, they increase the

[19:44] tragedy for them, for us, for the world.

[19:48] And nobody understands why.

[19:51] What are they firing?

[19:53] Let me go back and ask you about what I

[19:55] asked you in the beginning. Do you think

[19:57] that Israel is going to need another 2

[19:59] weeks there as the reports coming out of

[20:01] Jerusalem are suggesting this morning?

[20:03] In other words, you're not ready for a

[20:05] cease-fire now. Do you think it's going

[20:07] to take 2 weeks before you will be

[20:09] ready?

[20:10] I don't think that the Prime Minister

[20:12] said something like it. I think it's a

[20:14] speculation.

[20:16] Uh

[20:17] Condoleezza Rice said Israel would like

[20:19] to see her successful in her mission.

[20:22] We want really to make sure that the

[20:25] Hezbollah will participate in the

[20:27] cease-fire. The problem is the Prime

[20:29] Minister of Lebanon that he has

[20:31] expressed his view. But the Hezbollah

[20:34] said they won't respect it.

[20:37] As they started for no reason, they're

[20:39] continuing without reasons. I'm afraid

[20:42] they serve somebody else, but it doesn't

[20:44] matter now.

[20:46] It's a misunderstanding. Lebanon is a

[20:49] great country with a misunderstanding

[20:51] that has invaded their land and killing

[20:55] their future, their growth,

[20:58] causing tragedies endlessly. With

[21:01] Israel, they don't have any conflict.

[21:04] We don't want anything from Lebanon but

[21:06] good relations. I don't see that Lebanon

[21:09] has has something to ask for from us.

[21:12] The border between us and Lebanon is

[21:14] internationally recognized. The Israeli

[21:17] has deployed themselves in accordance

[21:19] with the United Nations resolution.

[21:23] And I don't see any any other judge can

[21:25] judge better. Let me ask you this. Why

[21:27] did Israel launch this attack? And you

[21:30] heard the Prime Minister say they gave

[21:32] the people in the area no warning. I

[21:34] understand you argue that you were you

[21:37] did warn these people. Why did you

[21:39] launch this attack? The attack we

[21:41] launched because they'll do something

[21:43] like it. You know, in the Israeli case,

[21:46] we distinguish between the military and

[21:48] the civilian. They shall never put arms

[21:52] in civilian surroundings.

[21:55] The Lebanese, the Hezbollah, is very

[21:57] cynical.

[21:58] They put their

[21:59] rockets and missiles in civilian life.

[22:03] So, we have to go from a place to a

[22:05] place

[22:06] and destroy it. I mean, to hit the

[22:08] places from which they're firing

[22:11] rockets and missiles over our heads, you

[22:13] know. Every day we have 100, 122

[22:17] missiles and rockets hitting schools,

[22:20] restaurants, synagogues, streets,

[22:23] children. What for? Mr. Prime Minister,

[22:27] let me ask you one other thing,

[22:28] Minister. Are you Do you worry that this

[22:32] these this response that Israel has made

[22:35] could bring down this government in

[22:37] Lebanon because it is a pretty fragile

[22:39] government?

[22:41] I wish they would have a government that

[22:43] governs.

[22:44] But the government that doesn't govern

[22:46] is not of a great

[22:49] value.

[22:50] We wish they would govern. I do believe

[22:53] that the Prime Minister Siniora would

[22:54] like to have peace.

[22:56] But alas, he doesn't have influence upon

[23:00] his own land. This is the problem. All

[23:03] right. Well, I'm sorry.

[23:04] >> shall do one more one sentence. For us,

[23:07] a victory will be peace with Lebanon.

[23:10] All right. We must stop there. The clock

[23:12] has run out. Thank you so much,

[23:13] Minister. Thank you.

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[25:18] we're told, is for the same reason we

[25:20] don't talk to Iran and North Korea

[25:22] lately. To talk now would be a reward

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