H.R. McMaster on Trump's "mother of all bombs" plan, Putin "talking" in his ear
Channel: CBS News
Transcript
Language: English (original, YouTube automatic captions)
[0:00] Sources have told CBS News, the White
[0:01] House and the Pentagon have prepared
[0:03] plans to use a weapon dubbed the mother
[0:05] of all bombs on Iran. A White House
[0:08] spokesperson said it doesn't comment on
[0:10] sensitive military plans that may or may
[0:12] not exist, adding the president quote
[0:14] keeps all options on the table to ensure
[0:16] Iran can never have a nuclear weapon.
[0:20] >> Let's bring in CBS News foreign policy
[0:21] contributor and former national security
[0:23] advisor retired Lieutenant General H.R.
[0:25] McMaster. So, tell us about this weapon,
[0:28] General, and I believe it's been used
[0:30] before in Iran during that strike back
[0:33] in June, but what could its possible use
[0:36] be here?
[0:38] >> Hey Blair, great to be with you and and
[0:39] Lindsey. You know, this is basically a
[0:41] deep penetrating bomb.
[0:43] It is it's a massive ordinance. That's
[0:46] where where MOAB comes from, more than
[0:47] the mother of all bombs, a massive
[0:48] massive ordinance that that has a
[0:51] delayed explosion. So, it has a deep
[0:53] penetration and then it explodes. It's
[0:56] most likely going to be used against a
[0:57] deep buried nuclear site like this
[0:59] Picacho Mountain where we've we've seen
[1:02] some some activity resume
[1:05] maybe to to to get to get centrifuges
[1:08] going again to begin to enrich uranium
[1:10] again. And so, I I think that's what's
[1:11] likely is and a strike similar to the
[1:14] strike that we saw last August during
[1:19] during the operation to destroy Iran's
[1:22] nuclear capabilities.
[1:23] >> Is it possible that the administration
[1:25] will use the threat of dropping this
[1:27] bomb to get Iran back to the table?
[1:30] >> Yeah, I I I think that might be part of
[1:31] it, but you know,
[1:32] I just I'm pretty skeptical about that
[1:34] working. You know, if you get the same
[1:35] people to come back to the table, you
[1:38] know, the
[1:39] the people who are running really
[1:40] running the country now. This is Vahedi
[1:42] and the and the
[1:44] the the Islamic Revolutionary Guard
[1:45] Corps. Hey, these people are imbued with
[1:49] the ideology of the revolution, Lindsey.
[1:51] I mean,
[1:52] I don't think they're they're going to
[1:53] give the kind of concessions that
[1:55] President Trump thinks are minimally
[1:57] acceptable.
[1:59] Uh and and if they do, they're just
[2:00] going to lie about it. And so, if there
[2:02] is an agreement that provides only a
[2:04] pause, I think it would be in in in this
[2:07] uh
[2:07] in the in this latest phase of the
[2:09] 47-year-long war, uh it's not going to
[2:11] last very long based on the nature of
[2:13] the regime, Lindsey.
[2:15] >> Well, I want to ask you about our
[2:16] ammunition stockpile because CBS News
[2:18] has learned that 2 months before the
[2:20] conflict with Iran began, Army Chief of
[2:22] Staff General Randy George warned his
[2:23] service was critically short on missile
[2:25] defense munitions, and that shortage
[2:27] would last another 5 years. Defense
[2:29] Secretary Pete Hegseth ousted the
[2:31] general in April. Are you concerned
[2:33] about our own stockpile and ability to
[2:35] keep up with it given what's going on in
[2:37] Ukraine, what's going on in Israel, and
[2:39] given that we can't make them fast
[2:41] enough?
[2:42] >> Hey, Lindsey, we should all be concerned
[2:43] about this. And this just didn't happen
[2:45] in the in the last, you know, couple of
[2:47] years. This happened This was clear to
[2:49] us since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
[2:52] We've been operating on this assumption
[2:54] that oh, you know, future war is going
[2:55] to be fast, cheap, efficient. You know,
[2:57] and you know, we kind of kind of think
[2:59] about future war like the George
[3:01] Costanza approach to war. We just can
[3:02] leave on a high note. Well, these wars
[3:04] tend to go on and and you use a lot of
[3:06] munitions. And for many, many years, we
[3:09] procured just the minimum amount of of
[3:11] munitions to keep these assembly lines
[3:14] going. And so, what you need now is you
[3:16] really need the defense supplemental
[3:18] passed by the lame-duck Congress and the
[3:21] National Defense Authorization Act. If
[3:23] we go back into what are called these
[3:25] continuing resolutions in Congress, and
[3:27] if the war and and defense becomes a
[3:29] partisan issue like everything is in
[3:31] this country, apparently, then we're
[3:33] going to really suffer the consequences.
[3:35] Lindsey, what we need is we need
[3:37] multi-year contracts to the defense
[3:40] industry cuz these are not charitable
[3:42] organizations, right? Uh they they need
[3:44] the demand signal to open more assembly
[3:47] lines, to train labor force. Now,
[3:48] they're doing it now. They're investing
[3:50] a lot of their own money. And so, that
[3:52] estimate that's going to take 5 years,
[3:54] that's shrinking. I mean I mean there
[3:56] there is a lot of progress being made in
[3:59] expanding our defense manufacturing
[4:01] capacity. But hey, we really need, you
[4:04] know, Americans to to to demand that
[4:06] their
[4:07] members of Congress,
[4:09] you know, pass the NDAA, the National
[4:11] Defense Authorization Act. And you know,
[4:12] we're spending historic lows on defense
[4:15] right right now when you in terms of
[4:17] percentage of GDP equivalent invested in
[4:20] defense, we have not spent this this low
[4:23] of an amount since the 1930s.
[4:25] >> Wow.
[4:26] General, before you go, I want to
[4:27] quickly get your thoughts on the recent
[4:29] spat between the President of the United
[4:31] States and Ukraine's leader, Volodymyr
[4:33] Zelenskyy. In one soundbite that we
[4:34] played earlier, the President
[4:36] said that he believes that Volodymyr
[4:38] Zelenskyy has destroyed Ukraine.
[4:42] We we know that's just simply not true,
[4:44] but what do you make of that?
[4:46] >> Hey, that's Vladimir Putin talking in
[4:47] his ear. You know, and and and so you
[4:50] can tell you can tell when President
[4:52] Trump talks to Putin by what he says
[4:55] right after and what he says on Truth
[4:57] Social, right? And and there's a
[4:58] four-step process that Putin uses to
[5:02] play President Trump. Step A, everybody
[5:04] can probably guess what that is. It's
[5:06] flattery, you know, "Hey, you're so
[5:08] wise, Donald. You're so wise." The
[5:09] second is is that it is is his
[5:12] aggrievement. "You've been treated so
[5:14] poorly. Look at the way your press
[5:16] treats you, you know, those guys on CBS.
[5:18] Look at how they treat you. Look at how
[5:20] you know, they look at how the you know,
[5:22] look at look at how the the Europeans
[5:24] treat you, you know." The the third
[5:26] thing he does is you hold up the
[5:27] prospect of a big deal that the
[5:29] President can get credit for it, like
[5:30] the diesel deal, right? Or like reducing
[5:33] nuclear weapons. Or hey, I can help with
[5:35] with Iran, even though it's Russia
[5:37] that's providing the intelligence that
[5:39] that's helping the Iranians kill
[5:40] Americans, right? And and wreak havoc in
[5:42] the region. And the fourth thing you do,
[5:44] and this is really important, is you
[5:45] portray any alternative as weak.
[5:48] Zelensky weak, Europeans weak, cuz
[5:51] President Trump hates weak. So, if you
[5:53] go through A B C D, you get the kind of
[5:56] statements you saw President Trump make.
[5:58] And what President Trump needs is an
[6:00] advisor there to tell him, "Hey, this
[6:02] guy's playing you." LIKE HE PLAYED
[6:04] George W. Bush in a different way. Like
[6:06] he played Barack Obama. Like he prayed
[6:08] played Joe Biden. Like he played Angela
[6:10] Merkel. You know, and so, you know, the
[6:12] message to the president is, "Hey, don't
[6:14] be a chump. Don't don't buy into this
[6:17] thing." And Putin also, as part of his
[6:19] ruse, portrays himself as strong, you
[6:21] know, the shirtless guy on a horseback.
[6:24] He's profoundly weak right now, Vlad. I
[6:27] mean, his economy's in a shambles. He's
[6:29] taken a million 400,000, you know, maybe
[6:33] you know, dead and and and seriously
[6:34] wounded casualties. You know, he's
[6:37] thinking about a conscription now to to
[6:39] continue the meat grinder in Ukraine.
[6:41] And and people are leaving, they're
[6:43] voting with their feet. So, hey, I would
[6:45] just say to the president, don't fall
[6:47] into the trap that so many people have
[6:49] fallen into. Disabuse yourself of this
[6:52] idea that you can have a good
[6:54] relationship with him. You can get a
[6:56] good deal with him. That you can
[6:57] separate him from China. I mean, glue
[7:00] China and Russia together. They deserve
[7:03] each other, right?
[7:04] >> [laughter]
[7:04] >> And they're not going to separate from
[7:05] each other at this moment. And they both
[7:08] of those that axis of aggressors, I
[7:10] would call them, you know, they they
[7:11] have severe problems that we could
[7:12] exploit if we get out of our own way.
[7:14] You know? And hey, how about being
[7:16] better friends with our friends
[7:18] and treating Putin, you know, like like
[7:20] the horrible person he is, who's
[7:22] continuing this massive onslaught on
[7:24] Ukraine, attacking their energy
[7:25] infrastructure, not abiding to the
[7:27] ceasefire President Trump announced,
[7:29] right? I mean, I think this is a really
[7:31] big moment for President Trump. He's got
[7:33] to step up to it.
[7:34] >> Retired Lieutenant General H.R.
[7:36] McMaster, so good to talk to you. Thank
[7:37] you.
[7:37] >> Thank you, sir.
[7:39] Wait.