CNN - The Situation Room and Lou Dobbs Tonight - 2005-09-08
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[0:01] The president sends his top partners
[0:02] into the Gulf region once again where
[0:04] the White House warning of an ugly
[0:07] situation. I'm quoting now, an ugly
[0:09] situation once those flood waters
[0:11] recede. The same might be said now about
[0:14] the partisan sniping going on here in
[0:16] Washington reaching new levels every
[0:18] day. Returning to the race question, a
[0:21] top Democrat says skin color and
[0:23] economics played a significant role in
[0:25] who lived and who died along the Gulf
[0:28] Coast. I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in the
[0:30] situation room.
[0:48] This hour in the disaster zone,
[0:49] authorities appear to be tightening
[0:51] their control over in New Orleans, and
[0:53] they're searching for up to 15,000
[0:56] people still hold up in the city. The
[0:58] Coast Guard says it will do what the
[1:00] military won't, help police remove
[1:02] residents by force if necessary. In
[1:06] Houston, tens of thousands of evacuees
[1:08] are lining up to get two different debit
[1:10] cards, one from FEMA and the other from
[1:12] the Red Cross. The lines and the
[1:15] confusion about who qualifies and when
[1:17] the cards are available prompted a
[1:19] lockdown over at the shelter complex in
[1:21] Houston earlier today. that lockdown is
[1:24] over. And Mississippi's governor says he
[1:26] expects power to be restored by Sunday
[1:29] to all homes and businesses in his state
[1:31] that are in good enough shape to get
[1:33] electricity. And just moments ago, the
[1:35] US House of Representatives
[1:37] overwhelmingly approved 51.8 billion of
[1:41] aid to the disaster zone just a day
[1:43] after President Bush requested it. A
[1:46] Senate vote expected today or tomorrow.
[1:50] The official death toll across the
[1:52] region now stands at 294.
[1:55] But of course, that number is expected
[1:57] to rise dramatically. In fact, 25,000
[2:00] body bags have been delivered to New
[2:02] Orleans. Temporary morgs there are set
[2:05] up to process as many as 1,000 bodies a
[2:08] day. Tens of thousands of hurricane
[2:10] evacuees remain in shelters.
[2:14] About 56,000 uh in Louisiana, 5,500 in
[2:18] Mississippi. Almost almost 79,000
[2:21] evacuees are spread out across nine
[2:24] states, mostly in the South and
[2:26] Southwest. As for the financial impact,
[2:29] an estimated 10,000 workers who lost
[2:32] their jobs due to Katrina, filed for
[2:34] unemployment benefits last week. The
[2:37] postal service is urging evacuees to
[2:39] submit change of address forms so they
[2:41] can get social security checks and other
[2:43] forms of assistance out to them. Let's
[2:46] go to New Orleans right away. the
[2:48] situation there. CNN's Carl Penhal
[2:50] standing by live. Carl,
[2:53] >> well certainly so no sign yet of the
[2:55] forced evacuations that were pledged by
[2:57] Mayor Ray Negan. Uh but what has been
[3:00] going on in the course of the day is
[3:02] that all law enforcement officials,
[3:04] we're talking here about police both
[3:06] from the state and out of state and many
[3:08] other of the law enforcement agencies
[3:10] that have flocked to New Orleans,
[3:11] they've been working on voluntary
[3:12] evacuations. So taking out people who
[3:15] still want to get out of the city. Uh
[3:18] the procedure there has been bringing
[3:19] them by pontoon boat or by uh fan boat
[3:23] onto dry land and then bringing them
[3:25] either by truck or by helicopter over
[3:27] towards the convention center area and
[3:30] then from there they're being shipped
[3:31] out to the New Orleans airport and then
[3:33] from there being taken to other parts of
[3:34] the country that are now receiving
[3:36] evacuees. But there's still no idea when
[3:38] the process of forced evacuations will
[3:41] get underway. Uh but the it's the
[3:44] essential to get this first wave out
[3:45] first, nor any details of how those
[3:47] forced evacuations will get underway
[3:49] because many of the agents that are
[3:50] involved in law enforcement here,
[3:51] although they say yes, they're willing
[3:53] to take part in forced evacuations, say
[3:55] that they don't yet feel comfortable
[3:56] going into people's homes and dragging
[3:58] people out. They say that they feel that
[4:00] they've suffered enough so far. Well,
[4:02] that that would be very very painful,
[4:03] not only for all the people of New
[4:05] Orleans, but for the whole country to
[4:07] have to watch those kinds of scenes
[4:09] where individuals didn't voluntarily
[4:11] leave, but the but but but but the
[4:13] government, local government, state,
[4:14] federal, whatever, goes in there and
[4:17] physically removes them, forces them to
[4:19] leave their homes. These are desperate
[4:21] people to begin with. What's the latest
[4:23] on disease, the fear of disease, the the
[4:26] toxic waste that clearly exists in so
[4:29] much uh uh so such a great part of that
[4:31] area?
[4:33] >> Well, toxic on a number of levels,
[4:34] Wolfe, because not only as health
[4:36] officials have been telling us is this
[4:38] filthy flood water home to EC coli,
[4:41] bacteria and other bacteria likely to
[4:43] cause more common diseases like diarrhea
[4:45] and uh and respiratory infections such
[4:47] as colds and influenza. But there's also
[4:50] toxins in there in terms of chemicals.
[4:52] Uh paratrooper from the 82nd Airborne
[4:54] that I was talking to said one of his
[4:56] buddies went into the ward and received
[4:58] three third degree burns from chemicals
[5:00] in the water. And we know there's all
[5:01] sorts of gasoline and natural gas in
[5:03] there as well. Uh so that is very
[5:06] problematic, but not so far any sign of
[5:09] anything uh disastrous like cholera,
[5:12] typhoid or malaria in those waters.
[5:14] Health officials say those possibilities
[5:16] are rather remote at this stage. Wolf.
[5:18] All right, Carl Penhole on the uh
[5:20] streets of New Orleans for us. Thanks,
[5:22] Carl, very much. Uh I want to show our
[5:24] viewers some live pictures we're getting
[5:25] in right now. Once again, uh helicopters
[5:28] picking up these sandbags, these huge
[5:30] sandbags. Uh workers getting those
[5:33] sandbags ready. There's a lot of them
[5:34] there. They clearly still need a lot of
[5:36] them to fill in the holes uh in the
[5:38] flood walls, to fill in the holes in the
[5:40] leveies to try to get the water from to
[5:43] stop from coming in to New Orleans to
[5:46] get those leveies back in action. and
[5:47] we'll watch these pictures for our
[5:50] viewers. But in the meantime, want to
[5:51] bring in CNN's Deborah Farret. She's in
[5:53] New York, but Deborah's got some new
[5:55] information on a new tool that's being
[5:57] used to try to find some of the bodies.
[5:59] Deb, what are you picking up?
[6:01] >> Well, Wolf, what we're hearing is that
[6:02] as many as five unmanned drones, the
[6:05] same kinds that they use in Iraq are now
[6:07] at the Belchase Naval Air Station. The
[6:09] plan is to try to get them up into the
[6:11] air at night. They've got heat seeeking
[6:13] devices on them. Uh these drones would
[6:15] then fly over homes and try to pick up
[6:18] images of anybody who might be moving
[6:20] around. This would have a twofold
[6:21] purpose. One, find people who are still
[6:24] living and try to rescue them. Because
[6:26] this is attached to a GPS system, the
[6:28] coordinates would go directly back to a
[6:30] communication center so people could go
[6:32] go be picked up and rescued, but also to
[6:35] help law enforcement monitor any
[6:36] potential criminal activity. for
[6:38] example, if they see people in areas
[6:40] where they're definitely not supposed to
[6:42] be, then they could mobilize some sort
[6:43] of law enforcement agency to go out and
[6:46] at least try to stem whatever might be
[6:47] going out there. Right now, uh the plan
[6:50] is in the works. They're trying to cut
[6:51] through some of the red tape, but they
[6:52] are hoping that they might be able to
[6:54] get those unmanned drones up in the air
[6:55] pretty quickly.
[6:56] >> And and did you point out who's going to
[6:58] be operating those unmanned drones? We
[7:00] know that in in in Iraq and in
[7:02] Afghanistan often it's the CIA that does
[7:05] so. But what about uh in New Orleans and
[7:07] and elsewhere in the Gulf region in this
[7:09] in our Gulf region as opposed to their
[7:11] Gulf region?
[7:12] >> Well, right now we're being told that
[7:14] there is one person who would be manning
[7:16] one of those drone uh drones. He's a
[7:18] Navy pilot and he was operating a
[7:21] similar drone over in Iraq. So that's at
[7:23] least one of the vehicles that would be
[7:25] used and one of the people who would be
[7:26] operating it. Well,
[7:27] >> all right, Deb, thanks very much. Very
[7:28] interesting new angle in this story. All
[7:31] the tools being used, as much new high
[7:33] technology as possible to deal with this
[7:36] relief, this rescue, this search
[7:38] operation that continues in New Orleans
[7:40] and in the entire Gulf region. In the
[7:43] meantime, President Bush is trying once
[7:44] again today to show he and his
[7:46] administration are actively engaged in
[7:48] disaster relief. At the same time,
[7:50] Democrats are ratcheting up their
[7:52] criticism of the Republican response
[7:54] when the hurricane hit. And now there
[7:57] are new developments. CNN's Dana Bash,
[7:59] our White House correspondent, is over
[8:01] at the White House. Our congressional
[8:02] correspondent Ed Henry's on Capitol
[8:04] Hill. Dana, let's start with you. What's
[8:06] the latest there?
[8:07] >> Wolf, you're absolutely right. What
[8:08] we're seeing here at the White House
[8:10] today is a continuation of uh the
[8:12] attempt to try to reverse some of that
[8:13] initial criticism. Today, what the
[8:15] president announced were some
[8:17] initiatives to try to cut through the
[8:18] red tape. uh some initiatives like
[8:20] relaxing requirements uh in order to get
[8:22] some of these evacuees their benefits or
[8:25] federal benefits like uh like Medicare,
[8:27] Medicaid, unemployment checks faster.
[8:29] Also promised that uh states taking in
[8:32] evacuees would be reimbursed. All of
[8:34] this, the president said, is part of an
[8:36] effort that will take some time.
[8:39] We have much more work to do,
[8:43] but the people who have been hurt by
[8:44] this storm know that need to know that
[8:47] the government is going to be with you
[8:49] for the long haul.
[8:52] The
[8:52] >> White House is well aware of the fact
[8:54] that Americans will start seeing a lot
[8:56] more of what we have been reporting on
[8:57] CNN today. Bodies being recovered. uh
[9:00] and they want to show that the president
[9:01] is first of all in touch with with what
[9:03] is going on on the ground and also they
[9:06] understand that Americans uh might have
[9:08] some more outrage when they hear more
[9:10] and more of the grim news. So the
[9:12] president announced today that he
[9:14] understands that and he actually called
[9:15] for a national day of prayer on
[9:17] September 16th.
[9:18] >> When the president Dana says he's in it,
[9:21] the federal government's in it for the
[9:22] long haul. What what does he mean by
[9:24] that? Well, if they're actually trying
[9:26] to figure out exactly what they mean by
[9:27] that here at the White House today,
[9:29] several meetings, not just today, but
[9:31] really all week, trying to figure out
[9:32] how to really get a handle on what needs
[9:35] to be done in the long term. You know,
[9:37] the vice president has been down in the
[9:38] region today. That is somewhat of a
[9:40] factf finding mission for the president
[9:42] to try to get some answers. What's
[9:43] needed for relocation, what's needed for
[9:46] rehabilitation, and also there were some
[9:48] Republican leaders here at the White
[9:49] House today talking about what kind of
[9:51] legislation might be needed to go
[9:52] through Congress on this. One
[9:54] interesting thing, Wolfe, is that two
[9:56] prominent Republican senators told us
[9:58] coming out of the White House that they
[10:00] told the president he absolutely needs
[10:01] to find somebody outside the
[10:03] administration, an official of influence
[10:05] to take on this long-term project, that
[10:07] it's absolutely essential. And you know,
[10:08] we've been hearing from senior officials
[10:10] that that is already something that
[10:11] they've been discussing here at the
[10:12] White House for a few days now.
[10:13] >> All right, Dana, thank you very much. Uh
[10:15] President Bush's request for 51.8 8
[10:19] billion, the second installment in
[10:21] hurricane disaster assistance, now
[10:23] heading to the US Senate after the House
[10:25] passed it very quickly and very
[10:27] overwhelmingly just a few moments ago.
[10:29] Let's go to our congressional
[10:30] correspondent Ed Henry. He's following
[10:32] this part of the story. Ed Wolf, as if
[10:34] we needed another example of just the
[10:36] utter devastation in the Gulf region,
[10:38] that 10.5 billion dollar relief fund
[10:41] that Congress passed last week has
[10:42] already evaporated. That's why they had
[10:44] to speed through this $51.8 eight
[10:46] billion dollars that you mentioned just
[10:48] moments ago going through the House,
[10:50] likely to go through the Senate tonight.
[10:52] But for the first time today, very
[10:54] interestingly, we started hearing some
[10:55] very sharp questions from lawmakers in
[10:58] both parties about the soaring price tag
[11:00] of all this. On the Republican side, you
[11:02] have people like Mike Pence saying there
[11:04] should be some spending cuts and other
[11:05] federal programs to pay for it. On the
[11:07] Democratic side, you have people like
[11:08] Senator Harry Reid complaining and
[11:10] raising questions about the fact that
[11:12] much of this money is going to end up in
[11:14] the hands of FEMA, the much maligned
[11:16] agency, and he's wondering whether it's
[11:18] really going to get to the people who
[11:19] need it most.
[11:22] Let's figure out how we're going to pay
[11:23] for it.
[11:25] Congress must ensure that a catastrophe
[11:30] of nature does not become a catastrophe
[11:33] of debt for our children and
[11:36] grandchildren. First of all, the money
[11:39] for the relief effort goes basically to
[11:41] FEMA, more than 90% of it. After
[11:44] everything that has happened with FEMA,
[11:46] is there anyone anyone who believes that
[11:50] we should continue to let the money go
[11:51] to FEMA and be distributed by them? Now,
[11:55] House Majority Leader Tom Delay just
[11:56] acknowledged moments ago that in fact
[11:58] this is obviously big money. Some people
[12:01] on both sides of the aisle saying it's
[12:02] going to eventually in total reach well
[12:05] over $200 billion, but Delay assured his
[12:08] colleagues there will be accountability.
[12:10] It will get to the people who need it.
[12:11] Wolf, yesterday around this time, uh, we
[12:13] heard the Republican leaders in the
[12:15] House and the Senate announce what they
[12:17] called would be a biccameal uh,
[12:19] bipartisan commission committee to go
[12:22] ahead and investigate what went wrong to
[12:24] report back by February. Democrats today
[12:27] saying never mind, they're not
[12:29] interested.
[12:30] >> That's right. Democrats are basically
[12:31] saying they do not feel they were
[12:32] adequately consulted about the formation
[12:35] of this bipartisan biccameal committee.
[12:38] As you mentioned, they also say they do
[12:39] not believe it's going to have teeth to
[12:41] really ask and answer the tough
[12:43] questions. So, they're basically
[12:44] boycotting at this point and instead
[12:46] saying they want an independent
[12:48] commission. On the Republican side, they
[12:50] reject all that. Of course, they say
[12:51] they did adequately consult. They're
[12:53] also saying they are going to move
[12:54] forward with this investigation with or
[12:56] without the Democrats, but they
[12:57] certainly hope the Democrats, in the
[12:59] words of the Republicans, do not sherk
[13:00] their responsibility that they hopefully
[13:02] come across the table. But, uh, final
[13:04] note, you know, today, House Democratic
[13:06] Leader Nancy Pelosi once again ripped
[13:08] into President Bush, saying he was out
[13:10] of touch and that he was basically
[13:11] oblivious to what really happened in the
[13:13] in the first days after this hurricane.
[13:15] Republicans are saying that's not
[13:16] helping the bad around here, Wolf.
[13:18] >> All right, Ed Henry reporting for us on
[13:20] Capitol Hill. Thanks very much. Anger at
[13:22] the administration extends beyond
[13:24] Washington, at least in one particular
[13:26] case. When the vice president, Dick
[13:28] Cheney, was in Mississippi earlier
[13:30] today, he heard one uh critic vent his
[13:33] frustration by shouting an obscenity at
[13:36] him twice.
[13:38] >> You've got, as I was talking to the
[13:40] mayor, uh in those areas, one of the
[13:42] things you got, Mr.
[13:44] >> Got to figure out what to do with uh all
[13:47] of the uh
[13:48] >> debris.
[13:50] >> Are you getting a lot of that, Mr. Vice
[13:51] President? And uh it's the first time
[13:53] I've heard it as a friend of John or of
[13:56] never mind.
[14:01] >> Vice President clearly shrugging that
[14:03] off. Let's go to CNN's Jack Caert. He's
[14:06] standing by in New York. Uh you heard
[14:08] that bleep, I hope. Uh Jack,
[14:11] >> um the vice president said that's the
[14:12] first time he heard it. Didn't he utter
[14:14] the same phrase to Senator Patrick Ley
[14:16] on the floor of the United States
[14:17] Senate?
[14:18] >> Yes.
[14:19] >> Yeah. So it wasn't the first time he
[14:20] heard it. He said the first time he
[14:22] heard it the first time he heard it in
[14:23] this context of this of this trip.
[14:26] >> You know what? I'll bet it's not the
[14:27] last. At long last, here's a here's a
[14:30] bulletin, Wolf. At long last, the
[14:32] Democrats have agreed on something. It's
[14:35] been a long time, but they have come
[14:36] together on this. From Hillary Clinton
[14:38] to Howard Dean to Nancy Pelosi, the
[14:41] Democrats are pouncing on the weak
[14:42] response of the Bush administration in
[14:44] the initial days following Katrina. And
[14:46] while Democrats blame Republicans, the
[14:48] Republicans want to shift the blame away
[14:49] from the federal government and shift it
[14:51] down to the local and state officials.
[14:53] Even some prominent Republicans are
[14:55] calling on the president to have an
[14:57] independent investigation of all of
[14:59] this. And in this humble reporter's
[15:01] opinion, if there's not an independent
[15:03] investigation, the investigation won't
[15:05] be worth the paper it's written on. The
[15:07] fact that there are still victims of
[15:09] Katrina who need to be rescued and who
[15:11] are dying every day, of course, doesn't
[15:13] stop our politicians from the posturing
[15:15] and the fingerpointing, it's
[15:16] particularly obvious and distasteful
[15:19] when it comes from those who are trying
[15:21] to turn a massive government failure
[15:23] into a political opportunity for
[15:25] themselves. See some of the names
[15:27] mentioned above. Here's the question.
[15:30] What effect will Hurricane Katrina have
[15:32] on the off-year elections in 2006?
[15:36] Caerty file at CNN.com.
[15:38] Well, thanks Jack. Jack Caferty in New
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[15:54] and the disaster. We have striking new
[15:56] snapshots of Americans attitudes towards
[15:59] Mr. Bush in these difficult times. In
[16:02] other words, new poll numbers. And we've
[16:04] heard so many stories of evacuations,
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[19:12] More live pictures coming in right now.
[19:14] uh Chinook helicopters taking these
[19:16] sandbags three at a time, 2 and 3,000 lb
[19:19] sandbags to fill in the holes in those
[19:21] leveies, the breaches to try to stop the
[19:24] water from coming into New Orleans, get
[19:26] that city back into some semblance of
[19:28] shape. It's going to take a very, very
[19:31] long time as we see this process unfold.
[19:33] Looks like about every minute or so, uh,
[19:35] a new helicopter comes in, picks up more
[19:38] sandbags, they load them up, and then
[19:40] they move them out. You got Chinuk
[19:42] helicopters. You got Blackhawk
[19:44] helicopters uh doing this kind of work.
[19:46] Uh dangerous work especially for the
[19:49] workers underneath those blades as they
[19:52] load up these helicopters. Anytime you
[19:53] fly these helicopters in these kinds of
[19:55] sandy environments, there's always an
[19:57] element of danger. But uh these are
[20:00] especially well-trained troops who are
[20:02] engaged in this very very important
[20:05] operation. We'll continue to watch it uh
[20:07] together with you.
[20:09] If you've got it, they can use it.
[20:11] Donors are coming up with all sorts of
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[20:17] Our internet reporter Jackie Sheckner is
[20:20] checking the situation online. Jackie,
[20:22] >> there are plenty of these Wolves. We'll
[20:23] give you some more of them if you want
[20:24] to help out. Here's some more ideas for
[20:26] you. Katrinalist.net is a site that's
[20:29] compiling a lot of the databases online
[20:31] and putting them all into one place so
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[20:42] Also, programmers needed to help. You
[20:45] can volunteer for them at
[20:46] katrinalist.net.
[20:48] Another way you can help out on the
[20:49] ground. A lot of people asking, well, if
[20:51] I'm there in person, what can I do?
[20:53] Well, in Houston specifically, go to
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[20:57] This will connect you to another page
[20:59] and that's a longer volunteer career,
[21:01] I'm sorry, volunteer career, volunteer
[21:03] center rather, us. and it gives you an
[21:05] idea of how you can help out like in a
[21:07] warehouse for example in Pasadena,
[21:09] Texas. They need volunteers to do that
[21:11] sort of work for them. Another idea,
[21:13] displaced.com.
[21:15] This is an idea to help out people in
[21:17] the creative industry. If you've got a
[21:19] desk, you've got an unused computer,
[21:21] you've got a phone you're willing to
[21:22] share, you can help people get back on
[21:24] their feet again. That's displaced.com.
[21:27] And finally, wanted to show you this
[21:28] one. bluesforatrina.com.
[21:30] if you've got a musical skill or if you
[21:32] work in the service industry, they need
[21:34] help putting together some of these
[21:35] benefit concerts. So, these are some of
[21:37] the ways other than just giving money,
[21:38] which of course they do need as well,
[21:40] ways that you can help out your time and
[21:42] your energy, some of those links for you
[21:44] online. Wolf
[21:46] >> Jackie, thank you very much. Jackie
[21:48] Shner, our internet reporter, uh Zayn
[21:51] Vie is, uh joining us now. Zay, uh we're
[21:54] seeing something rather historic unfold.
[21:57] Mexican troops operating in the United
[21:59] States. These are live pictures we're
[22:01] showing our viewers. They're bringing in
[22:03] uh assistance to the United States. What
[22:06] this is about 150 years since this has
[22:08] happened. Mexican troops operating in
[22:10] the United States.
[22:11] >> They haven't operated the Mexican
[22:13] military in the US since 1846. This is
[22:16] the first time the uh Mexican army
[22:19] convoy has uh begun crossing into the
[22:21] United States. Uh you're looking at live
[22:23] pictures. They are heading towards San
[22:25] Antonio, Texas. They're carrying uh
[22:28] humanitarian aid to victims of the
[22:30] hurricane. They're carrying things,
[22:31] Wolf, like mobile kitchens that can make
[22:34] food for up to about 7,000 people. There
[22:37] are water treatment plants on this
[22:38] convoy as well. You've got uh military
[22:41] engineers, doctors, and nurses as well.
[22:44] All in all, you you have about 45
[22:46] vehicles in the convoy. You're looking
[22:48] at them now uh heading down a main road
[22:51] into San Antonio in Texas. Uh Mexico is
[22:54] among about 90 other countries and
[22:57] agencies around the world that are
[22:59] offering aid to the United States. And
[23:02] this certainly is something quite
[23:04] historic. And as you say, not since the
[23:06] the uh mid 1800s has uh the Mexican
[23:10] military operated in this country.
[23:12] Mexico has offered uh disaster aid to
[23:15] other countries, but never to the United
[23:17] States. Wolf,
[23:18] >> it would go back to the Mexican-American
[23:19] War. Thanks very much, Zayn. Uh, a
[23:21] fascinating development and outpouring
[23:23] of support for the victims of the
[23:26] hurricane coming in from around the
[23:28] world. Katrina's toll, can the president
[23:31] weather the political storm that's
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[26:15] Here's a look at some of the hot shots
[26:17] coming in uh to the situation room from
[26:19] our friends at the Associated Press.
[26:21] Still photographs likely to be in your
[26:23] newspapers tomorrow. At Camp Victory in
[26:26] Kuwait, members of the Louisiana
[26:27] National Guard rest before their
[26:29] departure for New Orleans. Many lost
[26:32] homes, jobs, and loved ones in the
[26:33] devastation left by Hurricane Katrina.
[26:36] In downtown New Orleans, ATF agent David
[26:40] Deer helps patrol the streets. In Ocean
[26:43] Springs, Mississippi, residents wait in
[26:46] long lines for FEMA assistance. And in
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[26:53] Hundreds of evacuees have already been
[26:55] enrolled in Texas schools. Just a few of
[26:57] the photographs coming in from the
[26:59] finest photographers in the world over
[27:02] at the Associated Press. Let's take a
[27:04] look at some more live pictures coming
[27:06] in. Once again, this mission, we've been
[27:07] watching it unfold over the past several
[27:10] days, especially today. They're very,
[27:12] very busy. the US military Chinook
[27:14] helicopters uh taking on these huge
[27:16] sandbags and moving them over into the
[27:19] uh breaches in the levies to try to make
[27:22] sure that the water stops flowing into
[27:25] into uh New Orleans from uh from the
[27:28] Mississippi River and uh make sure that
[27:31] those breaches can be filled that the
[27:33] sandbags are eventually dropped and then
[27:35] they uh hopefully will fill up those
[27:38] holes so that the water will stop coming
[27:41] in. When President Bush, while President
[27:43] Bush has been under fire, his wife has
[27:46] stepped into more than once, has stepped
[27:49] in more than once to try to present a
[27:51] softer image to the American public.
[27:53] Mrs. Bush is back in the disaster zone
[27:56] today, touring damage in Mississippi and
[27:58] highlighting the plight of school
[28:00] children displaced by the hurricane.
[28:03] Back here in Washington, her husband
[28:04] faces a different kind of storm. That
[28:07] would be a political firestorm. Let's
[28:09] bring in our senior political analyst,
[28:11] Bill Schneider. He's joining us now. How
[28:13] does the president rate the pre how does
[28:15] the public uh Bill rate the president's
[28:17] response at least so far in the new
[28:19] numbers, the new poll numbers you're
[28:21] watching? Well, Wolf, for the first
[28:23] couple of days after the storm hit the
[28:24] Gulf Coast, there was a rally to support
[28:27] the president, which people typically do
[28:29] in a crisis, but it wore off fast. By
[28:33] this week, according to the CBS News
[28:35] poll that just came out, President
[28:36] Bush's handling of Katrina has turned
[28:39] sharply negative. We see those numbers
[28:42] right there. Uh what about uh the storm?
[28:45] How's it affected the president's
[28:47] overall rating?
[28:48] >> Well, last week the president had a very
[28:50] low overall rating, 41%, and this week
[28:53] his rating remains low, 42%. No
[28:57] significant change. Is there any
[28:58] evidence of a political price that the
[29:00] president is paying for the supposed
[29:03] delay? Uh I guess uh the delay I guess
[29:05] we could just simply say forget about
[29:07] the word supposed the delay in getting a
[29:10] a response in those first few days to
[29:12] the hurricane victims.
[29:14] >> Well, yes, his image as a leader has
[29:16] been tarnished. After 9/11, 83% of
[29:19] Americans considered Mr. Bush a strong
[29:21] leader. Last year when he went into his
[29:24] re-election campaign, 64%. Now that
[29:27] number has dropped dramatically to 48%
[29:30] who describe Bush as a strong leader.
[29:33] What Americans saw last week, Wolf, was
[29:35] a vacuum of leadership. No one seemed to
[29:37] take charge and it damaged this
[29:39] president's image as a take charge guy.
[29:42] >> Has the storm in this new poll changed
[29:45] people's priorities around the country?
[29:47] >> Wolf, the nation's agenda has shifted.
[29:50] Ever since 9/11, people gave top
[29:52] priority to the war on terrorism. Now
[29:54] that is completely turned around. By two
[29:56] to one, better than two to one, the
[29:58] public says domestic policies are more
[30:01] important even than the war on terror.
[30:04] And it's not just Katrina. In the latest
[30:06] Pew pole, Bush gets his lowest rating
[30:08] not on his handling of Katrina or even
[30:10] Iraq, but on the nation's economy. And
[30:12] that wolf is why Democrats are becoming
[30:15] more aggressive. Democrats are Democrats
[30:17] feel it's their agenda now.
[30:20] >> Bill Schneider, thanks very much. Bill
[30:22] Schneider watching all these poll
[30:23] numbers for us, our senior political
[30:26] analyst here in the situation room.
[30:27] We've been showing you amazing aerial
[30:30] pictures of the rescue and recovery
[30:32] operation unfolding in Louisiana. Up
[30:35] next, we'll head back to New Orleans.
[30:37] We'll hear from helicopter reporter JT
[30:39] Alpa. Stay with us.
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[33:34] >> These are live pictures we're seeing. Uh
[33:37] San Antonio, Texas. A convoy, a military
[33:40] convoy moving up a highway there. Uh,
[33:43] but it's no uh normal military convoy.
[33:46] These are not United States forces.
[33:48] These are Mexican forces. They've
[33:50] crossed the border from Mexico into
[33:52] Texas just a little while ago. They're
[33:54] moving uh in now with assistance that
[33:57] the Mexican government is providing the
[33:59] United States in the aftermath of
[34:00] Hurricane Katrina. Mexico, like so many
[34:03] other countries around the world, 90 at
[34:05] least, volunteering to provide some
[34:08] assistance. the world reaching out
[34:10] trying to assist the United States,
[34:11] including Mexico. This is the first
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[34:17] that Mexican troops have formally been
[34:20] operating inside the United States.
[34:24] Helicopter reporter JT Alpa is about to
[34:26] show us the plight of some of the
[34:28] residents in the New Orleans area. This
[34:30] is video that was shot a little bit
[34:32] earlier today.
[34:35] Rosalie and Richard Bruno who have been
[34:37] residents of this area for nearly 46
[34:39] years. And I spoke to them this morning
[34:41] and they asked me to come take a look at
[34:43] this area and see see how their house
[34:45] was. And I explained to them the
[34:46] operations that were going on in this
[34:48] area. And they were told and I'm not I
[34:50] don't know by who, but they were told
[34:51] that maybe they could come back on
[34:53] Monday. And I had to tell her that that
[34:55] was very unlikely just because of all
[34:57] the water is still being drained out of
[34:59] this area and it's all migrating to this
[35:01] area. We're going to pan right here,
[35:02] Dave. Just pull out a little bit. I'm
[35:04] going to show you the homes just to the
[35:05] right of the your frame here. The homes
[35:07] in this area are still the water levels
[35:09] up to the rooftops.
[35:12] All these homes here, keep coming right
[35:14] for them, Dave. You can see as you pan
[35:15] up this row that all these rooftops,
[35:20] rooftop levels just below lifted. We're
[35:21] going to push in there and just show you
[35:22] how the waters are still extremely high
[35:26] in these areas. And because this is
[35:28] where all most of the water is being
[35:30] drawn back to and out of the canal. So
[35:33] again, uh Rosalie Rosalie Bruno, a um uh
[35:38] a very very sad woman. Her daughter
[35:40] Kathy Singleton was there with us and
[35:43] they live in the 6,400 block of Belair
[35:45] Drive for 45 years. She we sat down, we
[35:48] talked for half an hour this morning and
[35:49] she told me what they had gone through
[35:50] and their evacuations and and uh and she
[35:53] really was just needed some news about
[35:55] her neighborhood. She wasn't giving
[35:57] giving the information. So I promised
[35:58] that I would come out and kind of show
[36:00] her this. home. Hopefully, she's
[36:01] watching and and uh showing her this
[36:04] area. And I told her it's going to be a
[36:06] very long time, if ever, they're going
[36:09] to be able to get in here. And again,
[36:10] it's story after story. And that's just
[36:12] one individual story of some of the
[36:14] personal contact that we've had with the
[36:16] people in this area.
[36:19] >> Reporter JT Alpa flying over New Orleans
[36:23] earlier today, showing us these dramatic
[36:26] pictures. You see those flood waters up
[36:29] to the roofs of those homes still up
[36:32] there on this day. Uh and uh they got to
[36:35] get that water out of New Orleans and
[36:37] they got to do it quickly. They're doing
[36:39] the best they can. Up next, the blame
[36:41] game. Are Democrats going too far and
[36:43] criticizing the federal government's
[36:45] response, specifically the Bush
[36:47] administration's response? Are
[36:49] Republicans going too far in their
[36:52] response? I'll speak with two political
[36:54] experts. They're standing by here in the
[36:55] situation room. Stay with us
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[39:26] Despite the devastation, Hurricane
[39:27] Katrina has caused also a political
[39:30] firestorm here in Washington. There are
[39:33] new criticisms of harsh comments from
[39:35] Howard Dean and new comments on Vice
[39:37] President Dick Cheneyy's first visit to
[39:39] the disaster zone. Here with me uh two
[39:42] guests, CNN political analyst Bill Paul
[39:44] Begala, former Bill Clinton adviser and
[39:46] CNN contributor and president of
[39:48] American Cause Bay Buchanan. Now, let's
[39:50] listen to what Howard Dean, the chairman
[39:52] of the Democratic Party, said last
[39:54] night, among other things.
[39:57] Survivors are being evacuated and and as
[40:00] the order is restored and the water res
[40:02] and we sort through the rubble, we have
[40:04] to come to terms with the ugly truth
[40:06] that skin color, age, and economics
[40:09] played a significant role in who
[40:11] survived and who did not.
[40:14] >> Paul, is he is he right when he
[40:16] specifically skin color played a role?
[40:19] didn't say that. He said skin color and
[40:21] age and skin color age and economics
[40:23] played a significant role in who
[40:25] survived and who did not.
[40:26] >> And it's not just Howard Dean saying
[40:27] that or you know some irresponsible rap
[40:30] artist who apparently said that last
[40:31] week. Uh Don Imus nobody's idea of the
[40:33] liberals. He's a radio talk show host
[40:35] based in New York. He's been saying all
[40:36] along that President Bush maybe it's not
[40:39] that he doesn't care about black people.
[40:40] Immus says he doesn't care enough. And
[40:42] when that sort of conversation gets
[40:43] going I happen to think it's not race
[40:45] that it's more class than race. I think
[40:47] uh that President Bush would have been
[40:48] just as neglectful of poor white people
[40:50] in say rural Vermont. I think it's more
[40:52] about class than race. But these racial
[40:54] tensions are there and I think both
[40:55] parties going to be very careful about
[40:56] that.
[40:57] >> What do you think?
[40:57] >> And those racial tensions are there and
[41:00] they should not uh be stroked by people
[41:02] in in in position like Howard Dean who
[41:04] knows better. It's clear that the people
[41:06] who are poor in New Orleans were
[41:08] overwhelmingly African-American. We
[41:10] can't we can't change that fact. It's
[41:12] also true that the poor and the elderly
[41:14] and the sick should have been taken out
[41:15] of that city before Katrina because we
[41:16] all know they'd be the least likely to
[41:18] be able to get it on their own. So there
[41:19] was a mistake made whoseever fault it
[41:21] was that should be gotten. We should
[41:22] understand but it wasn't anything to do
[41:24] if they were black. It was their
[41:25] circumstances. So I agree with Paul and
[41:27] I think that leaders in this country
[41:28] should be very careful. Be sure they
[41:30] throwing out that race card because that
[41:31] is not beneficial to either party. It's
[41:33] certainly not to the nation.
[41:34] >> I think you agree with Bay on that.
[41:35] Right.
[41:36] >> Right. But I want to I'm not a great
[41:37] Howard Dean fan, I have to say. But I
[41:39] think he was not playing a race card
[41:40] here the way that that rap artist was. I
[41:42] think he was saying something that's
[41:43] inarguably true. At least I guess it's
[41:44] arguably true. But I think he's right
[41:46] about that that race was one of many
[41:48] factors that disadvantaged these folks.
[41:50] >> That rap artist being Kanye West. I'm
[41:52] not a big rapper. I'm more of a George
[41:54] guy than
[41:54] >> Conway. Let's talk about the vice
[41:55] president. He's there today. He's
[41:58] touring the region. We're going to be
[41:59] hearing from him shortly. He was in
[42:01] Gulfport, Mississippi earlier in the
[42:03] day. Here's an excerpt of what he said.
[42:06] I really want to say a word on behalf of
[42:09] so many folks who are getting it right.
[42:10] That is to say that uh I think the
[42:12] police and law enforcement and fire
[42:15] first responders, fire officials have
[42:18] done just a phenomenal job.
[42:20] >> What do you think, BA about the vice
[42:21] president now stepping in and being
[42:23] appointed by the president effectively
[42:25] to take charge and make sure the red
[42:27] tape, the bureaucracy is not there?
[42:29] >> A week late. I would like to have seen
[42:31] him put the vice president in charge
[42:33] last week to be quite honest. Um, I I
[42:35] think it's an excellent idea. We still
[42:36] hear stories that that things are not
[42:38] getting done as smoothly smoothly as
[42:40] they should. And if it takes someone
[42:41] like the vice president of United States
[42:42] who can say no, it's going to be done
[42:43] this way and that's it. He's clearly a
[42:45] take charge kind of guy and can do it.
[42:47] And I don't think it's too high of a
[42:48] person or personality to be in charge of
[42:50] this terrible disaster.
[42:51] >> I have to say the White House is usually
[42:53] much better at the optics of setting up
[42:55] these kinds of events. Contrast that
[42:56] with the footage you showed a little
[42:57] while ago here in the situation room of
[42:58] Laura Bush, our first lady. Warm, uh,
[43:01] gracious, surrounded by kids. There's
[43:03] Dick Cheney standing alone. Uh, and he
[43:05] is not a warm and fuzzy guy. He looked
[43:07] like he was sort of looking around.
[43:08] Anybody here got a pet they need
[43:09] euthanized? You know, I'm ready to help.
[43:11] He's just a grouchy old guy. Now, maybe
[43:13] that contributes to a sense of
[43:14] competence which is sorely lacking. But
[43:16] I I think they're going to have a a real
[43:18] problem here because it is too late. I
[43:20] mean, the the damage is done. They do
[43:21] have to do the cleanup now, but be
[43:23] interested to see how long Dick Cheney
[43:24] stays on the ground and actually runs
[43:25] things. I doubt it will be for very
[43:26] long.
[43:27] >> Well, necessarily on the ground out
[43:28] there on the road, but but in in an
[43:30] office where people are calling saying,
[43:31] "We got a problem. there's something
[43:32] that's not happening and he can make a
[43:34] difference. He can make a change. He can
[43:36] tell FEMA look at you're not doing it
[43:37] that way or can tell the National Guard
[43:39] you're going to do it this way. Somebody
[43:40] that can break all that that red tape
[43:43] and make things run smoother. I think
[43:44] he's an excellent choice.
[43:45] >> The video that we're seeing, take a look
[43:46] over there behind you, Bay. Uh you can
[43:48] see the the media there. The vice
[43:49] president has just arrived at this
[43:51] location. He's going to tour the
[43:53] sandbagging operation. We've seen those
[43:55] giant helicopters lifting up those huge
[43:58] uh sandbags and taking them over to fill
[44:00] up the breaches in the uh in the levies.
[44:01] the vice president's there. That's why
[44:03] all that those reporters uh are shooting
[44:06] uh uh taking pictures of the vice
[44:08] president right now. Uh if he speaks, by
[44:10] the way, we're going to carry his
[44:11] remarks live. Go ahead.
[44:12] >> I hope so because earlier today uh local
[44:15] residents while he was speaking were
[44:17] hurling the fbomb at him or a word a
[44:19] word the vice a word the vice president
[44:21] knows well having used it on the Senate
[44:22] floor himself. Uh but also another
[44:24] resident on the AP wire copy of the
[44:26] neighborhood he was traveling through
[44:27] ostensibly to help was complaining that
[44:30] he was distracting from the relief
[44:31] effort. Now when people on the ground
[44:33] who he's supposedly trying to help are
[44:34] angry, this thing is a mess for the
[44:36] White House.
[44:36] >> Paul, that that is exactly what what's
[44:37] happened here. You've taken two isolated
[44:39] incidents and you haven't mentioned that
[44:41] there was all kinds of people who were
[44:42] thrilled to have him down there talking
[44:44] to him and they said, well they I read
[44:46] it in the paper. They said people in
[44:47] Mississippi are very very pleased with
[44:49] the response that they're getting from
[44:50] the federal government and that it's the
[44:51] people in New Orleans that are more
[44:52] upset. So there's two sides of this
[44:54] story.
[44:55] >> Let's talk about the investigation now.
[44:56] Yesterday the Republican leadership in
[44:58] the House and Senate announced they want
[44:59] to form a bipartisan biccameal committee
[45:03] to investigate what was going on and and
[45:06] conclude some have some conclusions by
[45:07] February. The Democrats today said you
[45:09] didn't consult us. We don't want to be
[45:11] part of it. Uh is that smart on the part
[45:12] of Democrats? Well, I think ultimately
[45:14] Congress should probably look into this,
[45:16] but I think uh and I think Bill Fris,
[45:18] the Senate Majority Leader, Republican,
[45:19] is is probably doing a good thing
[45:21] politically for himself to distance
[45:22] himself from the White House and say,
[45:23] "We're going to investigate this." The
[45:25] problem is if Congress investigates it,
[45:27] it will exempt Congress from its own
[45:28] investigation. Congress is going to find
[45:30] some culpability here. And that's why I
[45:32] think Hillary Clinton has the smartest
[45:33] move where she's called for a Katrina
[45:34] Commission like the 9/11 Commission. And
[45:36] if Congress is partially at fault, and
[45:38] I'm sure it is, let them be criticized.
[45:39] If it's the White House, let them be
[45:41] criticized. If it's the governors of
[45:42] these states, let them be. So, I think
[45:44] an independent panel rather than a
[45:45] congressional panel would be preferable.
[45:46] >> You know, I I don't have a problem with
[45:48] an independent one, but I think Congress
[45:49] also should investigate. I mean, they
[45:51] made a major play. They put FEMA under
[45:52] here into that homeland security. They
[45:54] were part of that. Now, should FEMA be
[45:56] taken back out? And this is something
[45:57] they should study and see if they should
[45:59] take some action here. So, I think the
[46:01] Democrats make a real mistake by playing
[46:03] this kind of kindergarten game. Oh, you
[46:04] didn't ask me first of all. I'm not
[46:05] going to play your game. I won't do
[46:07] this. They have a responsibility. And
[46:08] I'll tell you what the American people
[46:10] are looking for is leadership. They're
[46:11] not looking for game and blame. They're
[46:13] looking for leadership and they haven't
[46:15] found it. They're upset with Republicans
[46:16] and the Democrats aren't stepping
[46:18] forward.
[46:18] >> Going to leave it right there. Uh but
[46:20] this debate will continue. In fact, it's
[46:22] probably only just getting started.
[46:23] Coming up, a situation room update. A
[46:25] few days ago, we told you how our own
[46:28] Donna Brazil's appearance on this
[46:29] program helped save her family members,
[46:32] at least one of them, and several others
[46:34] unaccounted for in New Orleans. In a few
[46:36] minutes, we'll have the latest at her
[46:38] family situation. Donna standing by to
[46:40] join us.
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[49:47] Got some live pictures coming in from
[49:49] the skies uh o over New Orleans right
[49:52] now. These are pictures that uh
[49:54] helicopter pilots are are bringing our
[49:56] viewers. You see some areas still very
[49:58] very flooded in New Orleans uh on this
[50:01] part of the canal. Uh perhaps in the
[50:03] other part of the canal not as flooded,
[50:05] but look at how high those waters go.
[50:07] Once again, almost to the roofs of a lot
[50:09] of those homes and clearly
[50:10] understandable now why authorities want
[50:13] people to leave if they're still stuck
[50:14] up there. This is a good time to get out
[50:17] as quickly as possible. Here in the
[50:19] situation room, we've been thrilled to
[50:21] bring you stories of lives saved and
[50:24] loved ones found along the Gulf Coast.
[50:26] One of those stories featured our own
[50:28] Donna Brazil, whose sister was rescued
[50:31] in New Orleans along with four other
[50:32] people after Donna made an emotional
[50:35] appeal on this program earlier in the
[50:37] week. We promised to check back with
[50:39] Donna to see how her family is doing.
[50:40] Donna's here in the situation room right
[50:43] now. Donna, uh, uh, how's the, first of
[50:45] all, how's your sister doing?
[50:47] uh your Sheila, your sister who was
[50:49] >> Sheila. Sheila is doing very well. She's
[50:50] with Lisa and my niece and uh she's
[50:52] doing very well. I'll see in a couple of
[50:54] days and she's strong. She's holding up
[50:57] very well. She's of course worried about
[50:58] a lot of other people who she felt that
[51:01] uh stayed behind, but she's she's very
[51:03] doing very well.
[51:04] >> We have another of your sisters and you
[51:05] are blessed with a huge family indeed.
[51:08] Your sister Zola Golden is joining us
[51:10] now on the phone. Zola, where are you?
[51:12] >> I'm uh in San Antonio, Texas.
[51:14] >> Say hi to your sister.
[51:15] >> Hi Donna. How are you?
[51:16] >> Hey boo. What's going on?
[51:17] >> Okay. I'm okay. I'm glad to see that
[51:19] you're doing okay and I'm grateful for
[51:21] CNN for Aaron Shir Sheila on the air as
[51:24] well.
[51:25] >> Zola, what about you and your story? H
[51:27] how did you get through this? Where were
[51:29] you?
[51:29] >> We were at home. Wolf. We we uh we
[51:32] wanted to stay at home. My father who
[51:34] lives next door to us, he's a diabetic.
[51:36] We had no idea that the levies were
[51:38] going to break and the waters was going
[51:40] to be as high as they grew, you know. So
[51:43] you were you were in New Orleans when
[51:44] the storm hit?
[51:46] >> Yes, we was in New Orleans
[51:47] >> inside your home.
[51:48] >> Yes, we were at home. We suffered wind
[51:49] damage and the uh the waters started
[51:52] rising up at uh Tuesday morning.
[51:55] >> And so then what happened?
[51:56] >> Uh Tuesday morning the waters were like
[51:59] 8t high. So there were helicopters
[52:01] flying around and we were just waving
[52:04] and they were we were told that they
[52:05] were going to the hospitals rescuing the
[52:07] sick the sick people, you know, first at
[52:09] the hospital. Friday morning at between
[52:12] uh 8:45 and nine nine nine o'clock a.m.
[52:15] we were rescued by two boatmen from
[52:18] Shreport, Louisiana.
[52:20] >> You uh uh and and what your husband,
[52:23] your daughter, and your father,
[52:24] >> right? My husband, my daughter, and my
[52:26] father were rescued 9:00. We were on the
[52:28] porch of our home. We live in a
[52:30] two-story home. The water the water was
[52:32] maybe it wasn't receding as fast as we
[52:35] thought it would. Uh but however, we
[52:39] were able to get these two men to bring
[52:40] us to Carolton and two-lane Avenue where
[52:44] the water wasn't as high where we was
[52:46] flown from flown from the bridge to the
[52:49] uh the New Orleans and National Airport
[52:51] and from there we was brought to Texas
[52:53] to San
[52:54] >> Donna. The uh the whole uh during those
[52:57] critical days, did you have any idea
[52:59] what was going on with your dad and your
[53:01] sister?
[53:01] >> We had no communication. The last time I
[53:03] talked to my dad was Monday morning,
[53:05] talked to Zola. Zola, remember the last
[53:08] thing I told you to do?
[53:09] >> Yeah. You told me to run some water in
[53:11] the in the bathtub. Was that correct?
[53:12] >> That's correct. I told her to fill up
[53:14] her bathtub. Zola wasn't born when
[53:16] Hurricane Betsy uh struck us in 1965.
[53:19] And I wanted her to be very prepared
[53:21] because I was afraid that they would be
[53:23] without power and water. Uh they don't
[53:26] have any cell phone, no satellite phone,
[53:28] no way of contact. And so we just had to
[53:30] depend on our friends to to help them
[53:32] out.
[53:33] >> All right. Uh you're you're going down
[53:34] to the region now. Give us your next
[53:36] assignment.
[53:37] >> Well, we have found temporary housing
[53:39] for at least seven members of our
[53:41] family. I have 14. We have a large
[53:44] family. Uh we're going to use those
[53:46] seven homes to help others relocate. Uh
[53:49] I have family in South Carolina. My
[53:51] brother Kevin just telling Zilla that uh
[53:54] Chad's family is in Houston, Texas. and
[53:56] Zola and Lenel will be reunited and with
[53:58] Sheila and Lisa and and Cheryl uh this
[54:01] weekend on Saturday. I'm going home
[54:03] tomorrow. We got my friends. They've
[54:05] helped me. Uh we Wolf, we got enough
[54:07] stuff. I want to let you know Paul
[54:08] Vagala does not have a living room set.
[54:10] So when he go home, his wife gave me his
[54:12] living room set. So uh we're grateful
[54:14] for all of the love and and the outpour
[54:15] and the support.
[54:16] >> That's very nice of him.
[54:17] >> Heyola, thanks very much. Good luck to
[54:20] you and all your family and friends down
[54:22] there. Donna, we'll be checking back
[54:23] with you from the road. May I add, may I
[54:25] would like I would like to say I would
[54:27] like to say thank you to Red Cross for
[54:28] their help and the citizens of San
[54:30] Antonio because they have been so
[54:32] helpful and so volunteering and the
[54:33] volunteers there at the Kelly Air Force
[54:35] Base.
[54:36] >> Thank you, Zola. Thank you very much.
[54:38] Thank you, Donna. We got some important
[54:40] breaking news coming in.
[54:42] >> This is CNN breaking news.
[54:45] >> CNN's Rob Barciano is at the CNN weather
[54:48] center. What's going on, Rob?
[54:50] >> Latest from the National Hurricane
[54:51] Center, Wolf. Tropical Storm Ailia has
[54:53] been upgraded now to a hurricane, the
[54:55] seventh hurricane of the season and just
[54:57] 60 or 70 mi off the shoreline of
[54:59] Florida. Here's Cape Canaveral. Here's
[55:02] the center of uh of the storm itself.
[55:05] And obviously the spiral bands continue
[55:07] to fire up. You see the explosion of
[55:09] storms here. Well, what's the forecast
[55:10] for this? It is not moving. That's the
[55:12] biggest challenge in forecasting a storm
[55:14] when there are no stir steering
[55:16] currents. And the problem also is that
[55:18] it's sitting over very warm waters of
[55:19] the Gulf of Mexico. So, a situation for
[55:22] sure. And as far as uh the forecast
[55:24] track is concerned, we still think or
[55:25] the National Hurricane Center thinks it
[55:27] will drift a little bit farther to the
[55:28] northeast and then possibly loop around.
[55:30] So, that's a problem. Also, I heard some
[55:32] fuzz. I'm not sure if that was my
[55:33] microphone acting up, Wolf. But,
[55:35] >> no. Uh but I just want to uh get a
[55:37] little clarification because earlier in
[55:39] the day there was some suggestion Rob
[55:41] that that uh her now it's a hurricane
[55:44] Oilia could make a Uturn and head back
[55:46] towards the coast of Florida or perhaps
[55:49] Georgia or or or South Carolina. What
[55:52] what's the best estimate guess right
[55:54] now?
[55:54] >> Well, it's important to note that when
[55:56] there are no steering currents, it's
[55:57] stuck in between a couple of things
[55:58] right now. So, it's not moving at all.
[56:00] So, until we get a definitive motion
[56:02] away from the coastline, we're not even
[56:03] sure it's going to do that. But right
[56:04] now, you're right, if the possibility of
[56:07] it going out to sea and then looping
[56:09] around is there. Matter of fact, that's
[56:10] the official forecast track out of the
[56:12] National Hurricane Center through days
[56:14] five. And if you remember Hurricane Gene
[56:16] last year, which came on shore uh across
[56:18] Central Florida that did a loop-de-loop
[56:20] as well. So, it's not completely unheard
[56:22] of. Back to Florida up to the Georgia
[56:25] coastline. The Carolinas are completely
[56:26] out to sea. Any of those scenarios is
[56:29] possible.
[56:29] >> Well, what would make it do a
[56:30] loop-de-loop as you say or a U-turn?
[56:32] sort of make a circle in the Atlantic
[56:35] and come back and be dangerous to US
[56:37] land and people.
[56:38] >> Well, there's a there's an area of high
[56:39] pressure that's prevalent this time of
[56:41] year in the Atlantic Ocean called the
[56:42] subtropical ridge. And it's one of the
[56:44] main reasons that hurricane stay to the
[56:46] south and then move from uh from east to
[56:48] west. That is pretty weak right now.
[56:50] We've got a couple of hurricanes that
[56:51] are kind of battering that ridge, but
[56:52] once they move out, we expect that to
[56:54] strengthen a little bit. And what that
[56:56] will do is pretty much put a big bowl of
[56:59] air, basically a rock in a stream up in
[57:01] this general direction. So when it does
[57:03] try to start to move that way, it could
[57:04] easily hit that area of high pressure,
[57:06] hit that rock in that stream and maybe
[57:08] be deflected back in this direction. So
[57:10] that's kind of the the the realm of
[57:12] thinking from the National Hurricane
[57:13] Center and the computer models that that
[57:15] we tend to look at.
[57:16] >> And so just to recap, uh if this is now
[57:18] a hurricane category 1
[57:20] >> Mhm. category one storm with 75 mph
[57:22] sustained wind, so a weak category 1,
[57:24] some strengthening is certainly uh
[57:26] possible as it stays over the Gulf
[57:28] Stream. The waters there are still 85
[57:30] degrees plus. So, as long as it sits
[57:31] right there, strengthening is possible
[57:33] and uh that's what we expect to happen.
[57:35] So, category 1 about 60 to 70 miles east
[57:38] of Cape Canaveral. Right now, hurricane
[57:40] force winds only extend about 15 miles
[57:42] from the center. So, it is a small
[57:43] storm, but uh right now it looks like it
[57:46] continues to gather strength.
[57:47] >> All right, CNN's Rob Marciano reporting
[57:49] from the CNN Weather Center. Rob, thank
[57:51] you very much. Let's check in with CNN's
[57:53] Jack Cavern who's been uh getting
[57:55] responses to his question this hour.
[57:57] Jack,
[57:58] >> uh before we get to that, did you hear
[58:00] the news? You remember that uh that big
[58:02] fat ugly guy that won the very first
[58:04] Survivor show over there on CBS?
[58:07] >> Yeah, sort of.
[58:08] >> Richard somebody Hatch or he's been
[58:10] indicted for tax evasion. Apparently, he
[58:12] forgot to pay any taxes on that million
[58:14] bucks that he won on that television
[58:15] show. The other question I had was is
[58:17] loop-de-loop, is that a meteorological
[58:20] uh term?
[58:20] >> It's a scientific term.
[58:22] >> Okay.
[58:24] >> Uh the question this hour is this. What
[58:26] effect will Hurricane Katrina have on
[58:28] the uh 2006 off-year elections? Ken in
[58:32] Yuma, Arizona uh writes, "Katrina will
[58:34] have no impact on the elections. The
[58:36] American electorate has a long history
[58:38] of not holding elected officials
[58:39] accountable. At election time, heavily
[58:41] funded, well-chestrated rhetoric will
[58:43] overcome any outrage we feel today."
[58:45] Dartton in LA writes, "The Republicans
[58:47] will finally lose control of both houses
[58:49] of Congress, leading the way to a
[58:50] Democrat winning the presidency in
[58:52] 2008." Carlos in Houston, Texas. It'll
[58:54] be interesting to see how many people
[58:56] running for office in 2006 will try to
[58:58] take credit for sending General Honore
[59:00] to New Orleans. Gan writes, "If Katrina
[59:02] doesn't affect the '06 elections, I will
[59:04] have to resign myself to believing sadly
[59:07] that most of this nation has truly drunk
[59:09] the Kool-Aid and prefers to remain in
[59:11] willful ignorance of the ugly truths in
[59:13] front of their eyes." And Elridge
[59:15] writes, "I don't think the Republicans
[59:16] can get themselves elected dog catcher
[59:18] in 2006 unless they agree to a two
[59:21] bipartisan investigation of the Katrina
[59:22] relief effort debacle. Frankly, I think
[59:24] there's going to be major house cleaning
[59:26] in both houses of the Congress." The one
[59:28] and only time I ever watched Survivor
[59:30] Wolf, I saw that guy, Richard, whatever
[59:31] his name was, uh, waiting around in the
[59:34] surf nude, uh, trying to catch a fish
[59:36] and and I said, "You know what? I'm
[59:38] never watching this program again." And
[59:39] I and I never did.
[59:41] >> Jack, thanks very much. We're going to
[59:42] check back with you in a few moments.
[59:44] All right. Thanks.
[59:45] >> It's 5:00 p.m. here in Washington and
[59:47] you're in the situation room where news
[59:49] and information from around the world
[59:51] arrive at one place simultaneously.
[59:53] Happening now, it's 400 p.m. Central
[59:56] time in New Orleans where an
[59:57] environmental disaster may be brewing in
[60:01] the stagnant flood waters. Missing kids,
[60:04] possibly hundreds of them, separated
[60:06] from their families by the disaster.
[60:08] Now, a new effort to try to reunite
[60:11] them. From New York to New Orleans,
[60:13] there are some of the heroes of 9/11.
[60:15] We'll show you what role they're playing
[60:17] right now in the new disaster 4 years
[60:20] after 9/11. I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in
[60:23] the situation room.
[60:40] Right now, the critical mission involves
[60:42] a multi-prong strategy. Recovering
[60:44] bodies, saving lives, and caring for the
[60:47] desperate and the displaced. In
[60:49] Washington, another down payment on the
[60:52] relief effort. The House of
[60:53] Representatives passed an almost $52
[60:55] billion emergency supplemental bill,
[60:58] setting aside some $1.5 billion per day
[61:02] for 5 weeks. The Senate is expected to
[61:04] vote on the bill shortly. Meanwhile,
[61:06] uneasy but unavoidable work. FEMA takes
[61:09] in 25,000 body bags in Louisiana and
[61:13] temporary morgs could handle up to 1,000
[61:16] bodies per day. And a new meaning to the
[61:19] phrase to serve and protect. Amid
[61:22] evacuation orders for New Orleans
[61:24] holdouts, the police are trying to use
[61:27] the power of persuasion to avoid the
[61:29] compulsion of the law. Police say
[61:31] they're not forced not forcing out the
[61:34] up to 15,000 remaining residents, at
[61:37] least not yet. And if that's not enough,
[61:39] there's a new hurricane to worry about
[61:42] right now. We just heard it. This one
[61:44] off the Gulf Coast, Hurricane Oilia. But
[61:48] first, the recovery from Hurricane
[61:50] Katrina. From 47 states to the three
[61:53] states in the disaster zone. There's an
[61:56] outpouring of goodwill in Illinois.
[61:59] generosity is playing in Peoria, but the
[62:02] city has waited so long for an expected
[62:04] 700 evacuees, they're closing down a
[62:07] center specifically set up for them. It
[62:10] opened last weekend, but today it's
[62:12] turning off the air conditioning, the
[62:14] water, the electricity, and moving to a
[62:16] church. Kansas says it can handle 4,500
[62:19] evacuees, but only 800 have come so far.
[62:23] communities there are organizing to find
[62:25] evacuees, shelter, medical care, and in
[62:28] jobs. And in New York, this message to a
[62:32] National Guard unit that's been
[62:33] airlifting relief supplies for 5 days.
[62:36] Please take the days the day off.
[62:39] Officials asked the 109th Airlift Wing
[62:41] not to transport any supplies today
[62:44] because crews need some time to sort out
[62:46] the tons of supplies the unit has
[62:49] already delivered.
[62:51] We're getting some live pictures right
[62:53] now. Take a look at this uh a train uh
[62:56] in New Orleans. Uh there it is. What
[62:59] used to be a train at least uh the the
[63:01] cars clearly derailed from that train.
[63:05] CNN's Ellie Veli is watching all of this
[63:07] uh together with us. Ally, it's pretty
[63:09] devastating these live pictures we're
[63:11] seeing.
[63:11] >> Yeah, it's it's a yard. Those are
[63:12] containers. Uh you can see on some of
[63:14] them CSX uh on them. CS CSSX is a major
[63:18] intermoal uh transportation company.
[63:21] Those are uh you know as we've mentioned
[63:22] so many times New Orleans and that area
[63:25] around the Gulf is a major major port
[63:27] for importing and exporting and a lot of
[63:29] stuff is stored there. So even if the
[63:31] port's not going in and out, there's a
[63:33] lot of things that are stored in New
[63:34] Orleans, a lot of those are food stuffs
[63:36] and and things that we export and
[63:38] import. And one of the things that's
[63:39] going on right now is that the Port of
[63:41] New Orleans was saying that the
[63:42] companies that deal with a lot of the
[63:44] stock are trying to find out what's at
[63:47] the port, what has to go to their
[63:48] customers, what has to get out. But as
[63:49] you can see there, whatever's in those
[63:50] containers and those those uh those
[63:52] train cars, uh you know, who knows
[63:55] what's in there. If it's food stuffs,
[63:56] it's spoiling and if it's if it's other
[63:57] things that could be damaged, that's not
[63:59] even part of the damage that we're
[64:00] thinking about. Who knows what is uh
[64:02] what is in those containers? Companies
[64:04] like CSX carry all sorts of things along
[64:06] rail yards. Some of those containers can
[64:08] be attached to trucks and get driven
[64:09] around the country. Uh this is is part
[64:12] of the big mess that we're going to
[64:13] start to see as the water levels recede
[64:15] and we start to get reports uh about
[64:16] what's been damaged and what's been
[64:18] lost.
[64:18] >> And those containers simply thrown
[64:20] around as if they're little toys. Those
[64:22] are heavy heavy containers. You see the
[64:24] power of that storm in that water. Ally,
[64:27] we'll check back with you. In the
[64:28] meantime, though, we'll keep these
[64:29] pictures up over New Orleans. These are
[64:31] live pictures that you're seeing. Let's
[64:33] check in with our Jeff Quinnangi. He's
[64:35] on the the ground for us in New Orleans.
[64:37] Jeff, what's happening today?
[64:40] >> I'll tell you what. Well, if you were
[64:41] talking about the outpouring of support,
[64:43] we actually saw the convoy of NYPD
[64:46] vehicles, about a couple of dozen of
[64:48] them just rolling through town and you
[64:50] could see people were waving at them.
[64:51] People were clapping. This is what
[64:54] togetherness is all about, Wolf. And
[64:55] there law enforcement agencies all the
[64:56] way from New York to California. We've
[64:58] seen them all across this city. Security
[65:00] is very tight. They're working together.
[65:02] Let me give you a sense of where we are
[65:04] right now. Well, right behind me, this
[65:05] is where the ferry, this is the entire
[65:07] ferry area. People would come, thousands
[65:09] of people would be thronged in this
[65:10] area. But now, it's a security zone. You
[65:12] see those APCs behind me? You see
[65:14] National Guard trucks driving in and
[65:16] out. This is basically the staging area
[65:18] for all law enforcement agencies. And if
[65:20] I walk just a little bit here, well,
[65:22] just so that you can get a sense, the
[65:24] agencies are all gathered here. This is
[65:27] their basic staging area. I don't know
[65:28] if you can see back there. This is where
[65:30] they come for a bit of RNR, a meal, a
[65:32] glass of water, bottle of water here and
[65:34] there before they go out on their
[65:35] missions. And there are thousands of
[65:37] them. Wolf, you was talking about about
[65:38] 15,000 residents left in New Orleans.
[65:41] Well, I think law enforcement here
[65:43] outnumbers the residents right now
[65:45] because there are so many on the ground
[65:47] making sure that a that the city is
[65:50] secure and b when the evacuations begin
[65:52] at least the people wouldn't have to
[65:54] worry about their homes or that those
[65:56] who leave them. We actually took a drive
[65:58] throughout this morning. Wolf in several
[66:00] neighborhoods asking people whether
[66:01] they're going to be whether they're
[66:02] going to agree to leave the city. Many
[66:04] of them were telling us that they don't
[66:06] want to leave their city. Wolf, what
[66:08] about the whole uh uh issue of uh of
[66:11] health as it's unfolding? Are you seeing
[66:14] evidence that people who are who who are
[66:16] left behind or others, rescue workers,
[66:19] police, anyone are coming down with
[66:21] illnesses yet?
[66:23] >> Nothing right yet. And again, it's early
[66:25] days. And we were asking the residents,
[66:27] "Aren't you worried about an outbreak of
[66:28] disease?" And they said, "Look, we are
[66:30] New Orleans residents. We've lived here
[66:32] all our lives. That's what most of them
[66:33] were telling us. We know what it's like
[66:35] to be on the ground." In fact, they were
[66:37] telling us the soldiers and the security
[66:38] forces should worry about their health
[66:40] because they're coming in from other
[66:42] states. For the most part, Wolf, people,
[66:44] especially who are living with pets,
[66:46] they don't want to leave here because
[66:48] wherever they are taken, the pets might
[66:50] not be allowed. And again, people who
[66:52] are living their expensive homes, they
[66:53] don't know whether their homes will be
[66:55] safe or not. At the end of the day,
[66:57] Wolf, a lot of people adamant about
[67:00] staying in their city, no matter what
[67:02] state or condition it's in.
[67:03] >> And and what about uh any problems uh in
[67:06] terms of law enforcement, security,
[67:08] looting? Any evidence of that? It simply
[67:11] uh has gone away. Is that is that the
[67:13] latest information you're getting?
[67:15] for the most part. However, we spoke to
[67:17] a couple of officials of the National
[67:18] Guard and they were telling us something
[67:20] very interesting here. Wol, they were
[67:21] saying they're finding lutters because
[67:23] the water level in some parts is is
[67:25] decreasing. It's going down. So, what
[67:27] potential looters do is they go into the
[67:29] homes where the water has gone down,
[67:31] loot them, and bring the goods towards
[67:33] the dry land. So, when National Force
[67:35] National Guard forces are on patrol,
[67:37] they finally see they suddenly see a
[67:39] door that's opened that wasn't opened
[67:41] before. And when they go in, they find
[67:43] they find a room full of electronic
[67:45] goods or furniture or whatever it is and
[67:47] they and they confiscate those goods. So
[67:49] there is a trickling. There's still a
[67:51] few stragglers left of looters, but for
[67:53] the most part, National Guardsmen, law
[67:55] enforcement agencies, they tell us for
[67:58] the most part, the looting is down to a
[68:00] minimal. Rule will Jeff Coini reporting
[68:02] for us from New Orleans. Jeff, thank you
[68:04] very much. Officials in New Orleans
[68:06] can't seem to say it enough. The flood
[68:08] waters are toxic. They're brimming with
[68:11] E. E coli, other bacteria and chemicals.
[68:14] As the water pours back into Lake Poncha
[68:17] Train and beyond, there are serious
[68:19] concerns about the effect on the
[68:21] environment. Here in the situation room
[68:23] with us, the Interior Secretary Gail
[68:25] Norton. Madam Secretary, thanks very
[68:27] much for joining us. Uh, it's been
[68:29] portrayed at least by some as a
[68:32] potential environmental disaster. What
[68:35] has happened in in Louisiana and
[68:38] Mississippi? Uh, is this an
[68:40] environmental disaster in the works?
[68:43] >> We in the United States have been
[68:44] fortunate that we have not had to cope
[68:46] with the kinds of health problems that
[68:49] people in many parts of the world have
[68:50] to cope with on a daily basis. The
[68:53] concern about having clean drinking
[68:56] water for people is obviously a big one.
[68:59] The concern about waterbornne diseases
[69:01] is something we usually don't have to
[69:03] cope with in the United States. We're
[69:05] working to try to address those things.
[69:07] Uh my Bureau of Reclamation, for
[69:09] example, has just provided a uh water
[69:13] purification system for the hospital in
[69:15] Buxy that will help 40,000 people have
[69:19] pure water. That's something that is is
[69:22] vitally important that we focus on the
[69:23] basic needs right now for the health and
[69:26] safety. In in New Orleans specifically,
[69:28] some of the contaminated water
[69:30] supposedly includes, and we see evidence
[69:32] that it does, raw sewage, bacteria,
[69:35] heavy metals, pesticides, toxic
[69:37] chemicals, human and animal remains. Uh
[69:41] it sounds potentially once this water is
[69:43] removed from the streets of New Orleans
[69:45] into Lake Poncha Train, shall we say,
[69:47] which has been a source of a lot of the
[69:49] clean water uh in in New Orleans in that
[69:51] area, this could be a love canal, a
[69:54] toxic waste zone in the in the works.
[69:56] Are you concerned about that?
[69:57] >> I think we'll have to see what the
[69:59] situation is. A lot of those kinds of
[70:01] things are ones that obviously our usual
[70:03] sewage treatment facilities take care
[70:05] of. Those are things we're going to have
[70:08] to assess. We've been fortunate though,
[70:10] I think, in that the billions of dollars
[70:13] and the technological developments we've
[70:15] had over time have helped a lot. Uh for
[70:18] example, on the offshore oil and gas
[70:21] platforms that my department is in
[70:24] charge of, we are not aware of any
[70:27] significant spill on the the federal
[70:29] waters because the shut off valve
[70:32] systems actually worked. So there's the
[70:35] damage while it's it's terrible because
[70:37] of the the feces and the you know those
[70:41] kinds of things is not as bad as perhaps
[70:44] it could be. So, in other words, someday
[70:46] people will be allowed to come back, you
[70:48] believe, and live in New Orleans and not
[70:50] worry about long-term toxic uh waste?
[70:53] >> Well, obviously, we need to assess those
[70:55] things, and that's something we don't
[70:57] know at this point. There's going to
[70:58] have to be a long-term assessment, but
[71:00] for right now, the real focus is on
[71:02] disease and clean water and trying to
[71:05] cope with those kinds of things that are
[71:08] immediate public health concerns.
[71:09] There's been some concern over the years
[71:10] that the destruction of wetlands uh
[71:12] around New Orleans contributed has now
[71:15] contributed to this disaster that we've
[71:17] seen. Can those wetlands be restored? Is
[71:20] this a priority for the Department of
[71:22] Interior?
[71:23] >> We've been working with the core of
[71:24] engineers and studying the wetlands
[71:26] issues. Our wildlife refuge system has a
[71:29] number of refues that do preserve
[71:31] wetlands in that area. There has been a
[71:34] great loss of wetlands over time and we
[71:38] have been looking at the restoration of
[71:40] that. Uh in the recent energy bill, the
[71:43] state of Louisiana would share in a
[71:46] billion dollars that was passed that
[71:48] would go toward coastal restoration and
[71:51] shared with some other states. And so
[71:52] there are some steps that have been
[71:54] taken, but obviously that's one of the
[71:55] issues that we want to be involved in
[71:58] assessing what needs to be done in the
[72:00] future. The vice president, by the way,
[72:02] uh Dick Cheney, has now landed in this
[72:04] area where they're doing sandbaggings,
[72:06] 17th Street Canal. That that's his
[72:08] helicopter. We'll keep an eye on that.
[72:09] We'll listen to the vice president once
[72:11] he gets to the the microphones. Our Ally
[72:14] Veli has a question for you. Uh if you
[72:17] have a second, uh Ally, go ahead.
[72:19] >> Madam Secretary, thank you. Uh you know,
[72:21] one of the things we follow very closely
[72:22] here in business news is the MMS, the
[72:24] Minerals Management Service. And one of
[72:26] the things that's been coming out is the
[72:28] fact that uh natural gas prices, natural
[72:30] gas coming out of the Gulf has been
[72:32] affected by the storm. It's not
[72:33] something we think about because it's
[72:34] not as topical as gasoline prices and
[72:37] oil prices. But we've heard the
[72:39] Department of Energy uh secretary say
[72:41] today that people who heat their homes
[72:43] with natural gas could be paying 71%
[72:45] more this winter than than last winter.
[72:48] Your your take on the natural gas
[72:49] situation? It seems more alarming than
[72:51] the oil situation
[72:52] >> from the offshore oil platform
[72:54] situation. We saw a about 87% of the
[72:59] natural gas that was taken offline just
[73:01] as the hurricane hit. We're up to about
[73:05] 40% that remains offline. But although
[73:09] the the situation looks fairly good from
[73:11] the platform perspective, we expect on
[73:13] both oil and gas that about 90% of the
[73:16] supply would be able to flow with the
[73:19] platforms being restored. We still have
[73:22] the onshore receiving areas to worry
[73:25] about and so not all of it that might be
[73:27] available from the platforms might be
[73:30] able to be received by the the terminals
[73:32] and the gas compression stations on
[73:35] shore. Is there as much of a a a
[73:38] complication when we talk about the oil,
[73:39] we talk about the platforms and the rigs
[73:42] getting online to get the uh oil through
[73:44] the pipelines to the refineries in the
[73:46] Gulf and then through the through the
[73:48] gas pipelines to the to the gas
[73:50] stations. Uh with the natural gas
[73:52] situation once you get the production
[73:54] back online in the Gulf, is it a more
[73:56] direct transmission to to people's
[73:58] homes?
[73:58] >> You still have processing facilities
[74:00] onshore. You still have pipelines that
[74:02] have to function. And so we've been
[74:05] working with the Department of Energy
[74:07] and the Department of Transportation so
[74:09] that we can get that whole unified
[74:12] system operating again. It's obviously
[74:14] very complex.
[74:15] >> So let's get back to this some of the
[74:17] initial questioning. Just the bottom
[74:19] line, is there any estimate or is it way
[74:22] too early right now to assess when it
[74:24] will be safe from an environmental
[74:26] perspective for people to go back to New
[74:28] Orleans?
[74:29] >> I think it is too early to be able to
[74:31] tell at that. We have been doing water
[74:33] quality testing. We are doing aerial
[74:37] overflights through the USGS to to look
[74:39] at the the damage, you know. So, we are
[74:42] working with the EPA to try to assess
[74:44] the the situation. But, you know, at
[74:48] this point, we really need to focus on
[74:50] the kinds of of steps that people need
[74:52] to do to protect themselves. And, you
[74:55] know, that includes people being sure to
[74:58] to shower off. and we have to provide
[74:59] clean water for them to to shower off
[75:01] after they've been in those areas.
[75:03] Obviously, clean drinking water is
[75:06] something that is very important. And
[75:08] so, at this stage, we're really focused
[75:10] on just trying to do those things that
[75:12] the common sense things that need to be
[75:14] done to protect people's health.
[75:17] >> The Secretary of the Interior, Gail
[75:18] Norton, thanks very much for spending
[75:19] some moments with us here in the
[75:21] situation room.
[75:22] >> Thank you. Appreciate
[75:23] >> you're you're looking at these live
[75:24] pictures. is the vice president of the
[75:25] United States has been touring the uh
[75:27] devastated area along the Gulf Coast.
[75:30] He's now in New Orleans. Uh this is an
[75:32] area uh along one of the canals that
[75:35] that was breached earlier. Uh we expect
[75:37] to hear from the vice president uh
[75:40] fairly soon as he makes his way to the
[75:42] microphones. We'll hear what he has to
[75:44] say. We'll bring that to our viewers.
[75:46] We'll continue to watch these pictures.
[75:48] In the meantime, let's check in with
[75:49] CNN's Jack Caerty. He's in New York and
[75:52] he's got another question for this hour.
[75:54] Jack.
[75:55] >> Oh, indeed I do, Wolf. Thanks very much.
[75:58] Somewhere along the way, FEMA became a
[76:01] dumping ground for the president's
[76:03] political cronies with little experience
[76:05] in disaster relief. The AY's first
[76:08] director was Joe Albba. He was President
[76:11] Bush's 2000 campaign chairman. Albba
[76:14] brought in the current failure, Michael
[76:16] Brown. His previous work was with
[76:19] Arabian Horses. Uh, the number two guy,
[76:22] Brown's top deputy at FEMA, is a fellow
[76:24] named Patrick Rhod. He worked for the
[76:27] president's 2000 election campaign. The
[76:30] number three guy at FEMA is Brooks
[76:32] Alcheler. He used to work in the White
[76:35] House. His job was planning presidential
[76:37] trips. And FEMA's long-term recovery
[76:40] director is a guy named Scott Morris. He
[76:43] produced television and radio
[76:45] commercials for the Bush campaign.
[76:47] The federal agency charged with handling
[76:50] national emergencies is staffed at the
[76:53] very top by a bunch of political hacks
[76:55] with virtually no experience that
[76:57] qualifies them to respond to something
[77:00] like Katrina. But I digress. Some people
[77:03] are now suggesting making the military
[77:05] responsible for organizing the efforts.
[77:07] Things in fact picked up noticeably and
[77:10] considerably in New Orleans once they
[77:12] got there. So here's the question this
[77:14] hour. Should the military be put in
[77:16] charge of handling domestic disasters
[77:18] such as hurricanes? Caertify file at
[77:20] CNN.com.
[77:23] You know, uh, Jack, uh, what happened in
[77:25] 1992
[77:27] after Hurricane Andrew in Florida, the
[77:30] first President Bush was severely
[77:32] criticized for supposedly not doing
[77:34] enough for for Floridaidians in the
[77:37] immediate aftermath of Andrew and and
[77:40] some pundits suggested later that he
[77:42] lost Florida to Bill Clinton in that
[77:45] election precisely because of that
[77:47] reason. You remember that?
[77:48] >> I do. And I can remember a mayoral
[77:50] election in New York that turned on the
[77:52] fact that snow plows didn't get into
[77:54] some of the outlying neighborhoods soon
[77:55] enough after a particularly heavy
[77:57] snowstorm. And that mayor was promptly
[77:59] voted right out uh into the street as it
[78:02] were. So uh the voters do remember if
[78:04] the uh if the damage that's inflicted
[78:07] upon them is severe enough. They tend to
[78:09] remember and when they go to the ballot
[78:11] box sometimes they try to get even. As
[78:13] we watch the vice president make his
[78:15] way, I believe, to some microphones to
[78:17] to to report to us what he's seeing and
[78:20] what he's hearing. I I just want to
[78:21] point out there are some suggestion that
[78:23] this president, learning from his
[78:24] father's mistake, wanted political
[78:27] associates of his to be in charge of
[78:29] FEMA to make sure the response would be
[78:32] perfect, especially to Flidians in the
[78:34] aftermath of hurricanes because that's
[78:36] where a lot of hurricanes hit.
[78:38] >> Yeah. Well, it didn't work out so well,
[78:40] did it?
[78:40] >> Sometimes it doesn't necessarily work. I
[78:42] mean, where where are the qualifications
[78:44] for these people? None of these guys is
[78:45] qualified, based on the stuff I'm
[78:47] reading, to head up an emergency
[78:48] management agency. One of them work with
[78:50] Arabian Horses. The rest of them are all
[78:52] guys off the campaign trail, plan
[78:54] presidential trips, produce TV
[78:55] commercials. I mean, don't you need
[78:57] somebody at the top running the
[78:59] organization that has some some
[79:01] semblance of an idea of what the hell is
[79:03] required when there's an emergency?
[79:05] >> All right, Jack. Uh, we got we got the
[79:07] point.
[79:07] >> I got carried away. All right, we're
[79:09] going to check back with you and we'll
[79:10] hear what our viewers think about this
[79:12] sensitive subject as well. Uh we're
[79:14] getting some live pictures, not only of
[79:15] the vice president who's making his way,
[79:17] we believe toward some microphones in
[79:19] New Orleans, but these are live pictures
[79:21] coming in uh from aboard a helicopter.
[79:24] And you can see the flood waters. They
[79:26] may be receding, but they still look
[79:28] pretty deep in this part of New Orleans
[79:30] that we're looking at right now. And
[79:32] we'll continue to watch both of these
[79:35] live uh pictures. Uh the vice president
[79:37] is there. Uh the uh floodwaters on the
[79:40] uh left part of the screen also there.
[79:43] We'll see if the vice president makes it
[79:45] to the microphones. Uh we'll stand by.
[79:47] He's with Lynn Cheney, his wife, and
[79:49] other officials, his uh party clearly
[79:52] getting a bird's eye view of what uh is
[79:54] happening in this region today. We'll
[79:57] watch to see if the the vice president
[79:59] does uh come over to the microphones.
[80:01] We'll bring you his words when uh he
[80:03] makes those. In the meantime, with New
[80:05] Orleans mostly evacuated, Baton Rouge,
[80:08] Louisiana is busting at the seams, could
[80:11] that city's infrastructure literally
[80:13] fall apart? That story that's coming up.
[80:15] Plus, the youngest survivors of the
[80:18] storm missing and suffering. We'll focus
[80:20] on the mission to reunite children and
[80:23] their parents separated when Katrina
[80:26] hit. And later, almost 4 years to the
[80:29] day after 9/11, New York firefighters
[80:32] and New York police face disaster once
[80:35] again. Much more of our coverage here in
[80:37] the situation room right after this.
[80:48] CNN Prime Time tonight at 8, Paula now
[80:52] takes you beyond the headlines. Paula is
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[83:12] Welcome back to the situation room. I
[83:13] want to show our viewers, we're looking
[83:14] at two uh live uh pictures over here,
[83:17] aerial uh photographs, live pictures
[83:19] coming in from a helicopter flying over
[83:22] New Orleans, this part of New Orleans,
[83:24] uh relatively unflooded. We'll continue
[83:26] to watch that. Uh over here, we looking
[83:29] at the vice president of the United
[83:30] States, Dick Cheney. He's now arrived at
[83:32] that 17th Street Canal area for to
[83:35] eyewitness the sandbagging operation
[83:37] that's unfolding there. What they do is
[83:40] they take these giant helicopters, they
[83:42] lift up these sandbags, move them over
[83:44] to the breaches uh in the canal uh to
[83:47] try to uh into the leveies to try to
[83:49] make sure that that area uh is uh the
[83:52] water stops flowing into the city and it
[83:54] stays where it's supposed to stay. But
[83:56] that sandbagging operation has been
[83:58] critical. We've been watching it now for
[84:00] several days. is the vice president is
[84:01] there. He's going to see uh see it for
[84:03] himself. Uh we anticipate he will be
[84:06] making some remarks. Once he does, we'll
[84:08] bring those remarks to you live. In the
[84:10] meantime, Baton Rouge, Louisiana is
[84:13] bearing a very heavy burden. Its
[84:15] population has doubled and its
[84:17] infrastructure is bending under the
[84:19] weight of the evacuees. CNN's Alina Cho
[84:22] is there. She's joining us now live uh
[84:24] with more. Uh let's talk a little bit.
[84:26] Alina, what about the people have moved
[84:28] into Baton Rouge? give us a sense of
[84:30] what's happening there.
[84:32] >> Well, Wolf, here's the situation. It is
[84:34] really an incredible thing to see.
[84:36] You're talking about a city of a quarter
[84:38] of a million people under normal
[84:40] circumstances. You are absolutely right.
[84:42] The population has swelled to more than
[84:44] a half million. Uh the one thing that we
[84:46] have noticed time and time again is the
[84:49] traffic. One woman told me she lives 2
[84:51] miles away. It takes uh two miles from
[84:54] work rather. It takes her 25 minutes to
[84:56] get there. Uh this is also causing a
[84:58] massive strain on the housing market.
[85:01] Just last week there was 3,500 homes on
[85:03] the market. Now there are just 500. You
[85:07] cannot get a rental property. Everything
[85:08] is rented. You can't get a hotel room
[85:11] because everything is booked for the
[85:12] foreseeable future. But the one bright
[85:15] light, Wolf, is that uh it is uh it has
[85:18] been good for business. Uh the Chamber
[85:20] of Commerce tells me uh that all of
[85:22] these extra people are pumping in an
[85:25] additional $10 million a day into the
[85:28] local economy. Wolf,
[85:29] >> what businesses, Elena, are moving into
[85:31] Baton Rouge right now?
[85:33] >> Well, a variety of businesses. They're
[85:36] still trying to sort all of that out,
[85:37] but we can tell you uh that when all the
[85:39] numbers um are sorted out and counted.
[85:42] It looks like uh there will be anywhere
[85:44] from a,000 to 2,000 businesses moving
[85:47] here into the area from New Orleans into
[85:49] Baton Rouge. The big question is how
[85:52] long are they going to stay? Are they
[85:54] going to move here permanently? And all
[85:56] uh officials will tell us is that it
[85:58] depends really on a number of factors,
[86:01] but one of them is it depends on whether
[86:04] the owners are parents because once they
[86:06] settle here, uh put their children into
[86:08] schools, they may want to move here per
[86:10] permanently.
[86:11] >> Alina, thank you very much. Alina Chose
[86:13] reporting for us from Baton Rouge,
[86:15] Louisiana. I want to go back to New
[86:16] York. CNN's Ellie Vel is getting some
[86:18] new information for us on those FEMA
[86:20] debit cards. $2,000 potentially. What
[86:23] are you picking up, Ellie? Well, you
[86:25] know, I I don't understand. I'm not
[86:26] quite clear on why this doesn't why this
[86:28] can't be worked out, but FEMA is now
[86:30] saying that because of the confusion
[86:32] around the whole debit card situation.
[86:34] We we now have a situation where they
[86:36] will give the debit cards to the
[86:38] remaining 8,000 people at the Astrodome
[86:41] and then they're going to mail checks
[86:42] for $2,000 to everybody else, the other
[86:45] evacuees who need them. So, they're
[86:46] they're encouraging people to sign up
[86:48] with the US Postal Service to make sure
[86:50] that their checks get to the right place
[86:52] and and that they should get these
[86:53] checks out within the next couple days.
[86:55] It's it's puzzling to me. This is this
[86:57] is the one thing they've they've got to
[86:58] get cleared up. And we're still not
[87:00] clear on why this is the case. But now,
[87:01] FEMA saying 8,000 uh more evacuees who
[87:05] are in the Astradome will be handed the
[87:06] debit cards. Everybody else gets a check
[87:08] for it. So, sign up so that they know
[87:10] where to send it to.
[87:11] >> Here's what I don't understand. A lot of
[87:12] these people don't have an address.
[87:14] >> Well, this is exactly it. I mean, that's
[87:15] one thing to say to people who have a
[87:16] house and an address. This seems to me
[87:18] like it's it's just got to be easier to
[87:20] get get these debit cards to people in
[87:23] their hands through distribution lines
[87:24] than to get homeless people and that
[87:26] newly homeless people to register uh
[87:28] with an address. I understand they're
[87:29] trying to get people to register with
[87:30] addresses, but that might be a slightly
[87:32] longer term situation than someone who
[87:34] needs the money. Now, the debit card
[87:36] seemed like a fantastic idea. These
[87:38] people have to eat, get clothes, get
[87:39] transportation. Um, again, we will
[87:41] continue obviously to keep everybody
[87:43] posted on what FEMA eventually decides
[87:45] to do with these debit cards, but for
[87:47] the moment, uh, it looks like they're
[87:48] going to give it to the people in the
[87:49] Astrodome and everybody else has to sign
[87:51] up and get it get a check mailed to
[87:53] them.
[87:53] >> All right, we'll watch this story. Some
[87:54] confusion, some significant confusion.
[87:56] Ally, appreciate it very much. Every
[87:59] hurricane survivor story is somewhat
[88:01] different, yet they all share some
[88:03] common threads. The fear and the
[88:05] courage, the anguish, the relief, and
[88:07] sometimes the anger. Thomas Gazo is one
[88:10] of those many survivors. He's a lifelong
[88:13] resident of Belaluxy, Mississippi. He's
[88:15] joining us now live. Thomas, thank you
[88:17] very much uh for joining us. Tell us
[88:20] your story. I I believe you're standing
[88:22] outside of what was your home. Is that
[88:25] right?
[88:26] >> Yes. Uh I'm standing about uh I'd say
[88:29] roughly about five blocks away from
[88:30] where I used to live.
[88:32] >> Where were you? Where did you where did
[88:34] you how did you survive this hurricane?
[88:37] Well, at this hurricane this time there,
[88:40] I listened to my wife and said, "Get
[88:42] out." She was afraid of drowning. And at
[88:45] exactly around 2:00 the Sunday before
[88:47] the storm, I decided to tell her, I
[88:49] said, "All right, let's go. We're going
[88:52] to go to my daughter's house." And we
[88:53] stayed something like 37 miles away from
[88:56] uh Buxy up in Van Clean.
[88:59] >> So, that basically saved your life and
[89:01] your wife's life, your your wife's
[89:03] recommendation. Is that fair to say?
[89:05] >> That's right. Yeah, I I think if it
[89:08] wouldn't been for her, we'd probably
[89:09] been up in an attic somewhere swimming
[89:11] around maybe. I don't know. The whole
[89:13] area that I live in is devastated.
[89:15] >> Well, talk a little bit about what it's
[89:17] been like uh in these days since uh
[89:20] Katrina hit Beluxy.
[89:23] Well, according to what I see,
[89:26] everybody's homes that I used to know
[89:28] because being born and raised in Buxy
[89:30] here, uh the people that I know a bunch
[89:33] of people that had died, perished in a
[89:36] storm, which I thought would never take
[89:38] place in this area, but under the
[89:40] circumstance not just in this area
[89:42] throughout uh Louisiana and uh the rest
[89:45] of Mississippi and Alabama also cuz uh
[89:49] I've been like I say, I born and raised
[89:51] on this coast and I've been from one end
[89:52] of here to Louisiana. And I I had a
[89:55] strange feeling one day that the people
[89:57] in New Orleans was going to really
[89:59] suffer just like they predicted it
[90:02] would. And and I'm sorry to hear that it
[90:04] did happen. And uh, of course, I know
[90:07] even with the situation as far as the
[90:10] casinos here in Buxy, the amount of
[90:12] people that was employed, including my
[90:15] children,
[90:16] >> uh, have no jobs. And uh
[90:18] >> okay, we're good.
[90:19] >> I'm sorry for the the other families as
[90:21] far as in the casinos and stuff there
[90:23] that don't have any jobs.
[90:26] Plus the millions of people that not
[90:28] able to go to work as as fortunate as I
[90:31] am cuz I work for the department of
[90:33] veterans in Bloxy and and I did work in
[90:35] Gulport which is no longer open but they
[90:38] found a spot for me uh in a second. Now
[90:41] >> Thomas, where where are you living now?
[90:43] What happens with your life and your and
[90:45] your family? Where do you live?
[90:48] Well, at at this present moment there,
[90:50] we're just staying from daughters to
[90:52] daughter's house
[90:53] >> and that's it. You're just staying with
[90:54] your daughter cuz your house is totally
[90:56] destroyed.
[90:58] >> Well, I have a roof and a frame of a
[91:00] house here. But if you go inside there,
[91:02] I'm I'm afraid there's some type of
[91:03] disease that's going to be there. I was
[91:05] in it today and there's some kind of
[91:07] yellow looking uh I don't know. I've
[91:10] never seen anything like it. There's
[91:11] some kind of disease growing on the back
[91:13] of the uh drawers and stuff. It's not
[91:16] just mold. I know what mold is, but this
[91:18] is something there that that I'm not
[91:20] used to seeing and and I have no idea
[91:22] what kind of bacteria germs it could be
[91:24] because I work in that field as far as
[91:26] in the uh laundry room. Well, good luck
[91:28] to you and your family. Our heart goes
[91:30] out to you, Thomas. Appreciate you
[91:32] spending a few moments sharing your
[91:33] story. It's only one story, but it's
[91:35] typical of so many thousands, hundreds
[91:38] of thousands of people who have suffered
[91:40] and that Mississippi coast has suffered
[91:42] a great deal. Yes.
[91:43] >> Good luck to you. Well, I just I just
[91:45] thank God that everybody survived it,
[91:47] that the ones that was able to get out,
[91:49] and I thank God to this day that I'm
[91:51] alive due to my wife's wish. Thank you.
[91:53] >> We're happy both of you are alive.
[91:55] Thanks very much, Thomas, for joining
[91:56] us. The unfortunate stories are not
[91:59] likely to end anytime soon. Coming up,
[92:01] perhaps the most vulnerable vict victims
[92:04] from this hurricane. Children, many
[92:07] still missing. We'll tell you what one
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[95:28] The disaster along the Gulf Coast has
[95:29] separated hundreds of people from the
[95:31] from their loved ones, including so many
[95:34] children. CNN's Brian Todd is joining us
[95:36] now live from Alexandria, Virginia to
[95:39] show us what what one group, one
[95:41] national center is trying to do about
[95:42] this. Brian
[95:45] >> Wolf, we're here at the National Center
[95:46] for Missing and Exploited Children. This
[95:48] is the special uh Katrina Victims
[95:50] Hotline Center. This place is literally
[95:52] swamped with calls, hundreds of them
[95:53] coming in each hour. Now, the calls
[95:54] first come into this room where they
[95:56] handle the the real bulk of the of the
[95:58] telephone uh bank. If a call needs to be
[96:00] vetted more specifically, it is
[96:02] transferred into this room where some
[96:04] very sensitive specific information is
[96:06] taken down and then relayed to teams in
[96:08] the field. Those teams are trying to
[96:10] find kids like 8-year-old Alex Davis.
[96:12] We're going to put a picture of Alex up
[96:14] here. He is 2 days past his 8th birthday
[96:18] and he was last seen with his mother at
[96:20] their home in New Orleans. It says here
[96:22] they told a relative they would be
[96:23] evacuating to a hotel, but they have not
[96:25] been heard from since then. Alex is one
[96:26] of 866
[96:28] children now listed as missing from
[96:30] Katrina and its aftermath. One of the
[96:32] people trying frantically to find Alex
[96:34] and so many hundreds of others like him
[96:36] is Bill Hagmire. Bill, thank you for
[96:38] joining us. Bill has been a longtime
[96:39] volunteer here, but he's been manning
[96:41] the phones for days. Bill used to run
[96:42] the FBI's child abduction and serial
[96:45] killer unit. Bill, take us through a
[96:46] typical phone call. What happens?
[96:47] >> Well, as soon as a call comes in, the
[96:49] first thing the volunteer is trying to
[96:50] do is to create a a calming dialogue.
[96:52] Um, these people, all of them are
[96:54] concerned. Many of them are very
[96:56] emotional and some of them are just
[96:58] downright angry at the situation
[96:59] overall.
[97:00] >> And you had some interesting anecdotal
[97:02] stuff about just the frame of mind that
[97:04] some of these people are in when they
[97:05] call.
[97:06] >> Some of them actually don't even know
[97:07] where they're calling from,
[97:08] unfortunately. And that's that's tragic
[97:09] in itself. They're looking for their
[97:11] children that they haven't seen since
[97:12] they get on the bus. We've had other
[97:14] relatives calling in looking for
[97:15] grandchildren. They don't know their
[97:17] names. We've had people calling in
[97:19] saying that their their brother was in a
[97:22] gang and if we do find him deceased,
[97:23] they want us to promise that we're going
[97:25] to have a homicide investigation and not
[97:26] just u pick him up and put him in a
[97:28] morg. It really runs the gamut of all
[97:30] ends of society.
[97:31] >> Well, Bill, good luck to you and
[97:33] everybody here uh manning the phones.
[97:35] Dozens of volunteers, about 40 or so at
[97:37] a given time, 16 hours a day. Wolf 8:00
[97:40] a.m. to midnight. If you want to call
[97:42] into the hotline if you know any
[97:43] information about Alex Davis or any of
[97:45] these kids, uh we'll we'll put up the
[97:47] number now. It is 1888-544-5475
[97:51] or go to www.mmissingkids.com.
[97:54] Wolf
[97:54] >> Brian, thank you very much. Useful
[97:56] information for our viewers coming up
[97:58] here in the situation room. They are
[98:01] there because they're familiar with
[98:03] disaster. New York City firefighters and
[98:06] New York City police officers. They're
[98:08] in New Orleans right now. We'll tell you
[98:11] what they're doing and has uh and why
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[100:32] Orleans right now to try to help out.
[100:35] CNN's Mary Snow is in New York. She's
[100:36] watching this story for us. A very
[100:38] emotional story. Mary, what are you
[100:40] picking up?
[100:41] >> Certainly is emotional, Wolf. And if any
[100:43] police or fire department in the country
[100:45] knows what it's like to face disaster
[100:46] and need support, it's New York City.
[100:49] And that is why more than 600 of the
[100:51] city's firefighters and police officers
[100:53] have gone to Louisiana, saying it's time
[100:55] to give back after the outpouring of
[100:57] help given to them after 9/11. New York
[101:00] City firefighters have joined the front
[101:02] lines in battling some of those huge
[101:04] blazes we've been seeing over the past
[101:05] couple of days in New Orleans. The fire
[101:07] department has sent over 300
[101:09] firefighters. Some are still on their
[101:11] way to New Orleans, and that includes
[101:13] the fire truck Spirit of Louisiana. The
[101:16] state of Louisiana gave that truck to
[101:17] New York after the September 11th
[101:19] attacks. New York City Fire Department
[101:21] lost 343 of its own. And since most of
[101:24] the team deployed are veterans, many
[101:27] were on duty during 911. One of the
[101:29] first firefighters sent, includes the
[101:31] son of a fire chief who was killed on
[101:33] 911. Now, many of the nearly 300 New
[101:36] York City police officers who've been
[101:37] sent to the region, were also on the
[101:39] force during the attack four years ago.
[101:42] The department had 2,000 volunteers. A
[101:44] police sergeant in New Orleans says
[101:46] officers are assisting in patrolling the
[101:48] French Quarter and Jefferson Parish. An
[101:50] interstate agreement allows them to have
[101:52] full police powers in Louisiana while
[101:55] they're there. Now, one officer said
[101:56] helping out right now is perhaps the
[101:58] best tribute they could give to everyone
[102:00] who died on 911. They plan to mark the
[102:02] 4-year anniversary together in New
[102:04] Orleans on Sunday and their emergency
[102:06] workers also from many states, including
[102:09] hundreds from Illinois, Maryland, Texas,
[102:11] and Georgia, just to name a few. Wolf.
[102:13] All right, Mary, thank you very much.
[102:15] Mary Snow reporting for us from New
[102:16] York. CNN Zay Vie is at the CNN Center
[102:20] in Atlanta. She's taking a closer look
[102:22] at what newspapers around the world are
[102:24] saying about this disaster here in the
[102:26] United States. Zay
[102:27] >> Wolf, the Calgary Herald in Alberta,
[102:29] Canada, offered an insider's perspective
[102:31] to the much criticized response to the
[102:33] disaster. Nathan Manning is the son of
[102:35] the former Canadian Reform Party leader
[102:37] Preston Manning. who was attending
[102:39] university in Louisiana and writes this.
[102:42] Much has been written about the
[102:43] disorganized efforts at evacuating New
[102:45] Orleans. But I saw a much more uplifting
[102:48] side of the story. The organization and
[102:50] spontaneous volunteer efforts of the
[102:52] doctors, social workers, and students at
[102:54] Louisiana State University in Baton
[102:56] Rouge, where I attend school, reflected
[102:59] a wonderful human spirit that pervaded
[103:01] all the activity there. Now, others were
[103:04] striking a less amiable note. Mexico's
[103:06] Laorada newspapers writing this. Perhaps
[103:09] the only good thing about Katrina is
[103:12] that it could accelerate Washington's
[103:14] withdrawal from Iraq. And Pakistan's
[103:16] newspaper, The Nation, says this. In the
[103:18] wake of the devastation wrought by
[103:20] Hurricane Katrina and Bush's inept
[103:22] response to the unfolding humanitarian
[103:24] crisis in New Orleans, the myth of
[103:27] America's superpower status has been
[103:29] shattered. A much friendlier, more
[103:31] understanding tone in the Australian,
[103:33] which says the poor initial response to
[103:36] Hurricane Katrina had to do with
[103:38] bureaucracy, not race or Iraq. In
[103:40] assessing the US response to Hurricane
[103:42] Katrina, keep in mind its scale. It
[103:44] devastated an area the size of Britain.
[103:47] Tell me the the country would have
[103:49] responded with perfect efficiency. Any
[103:51] country could have, Wolfe.
[103:53] >> All right. Uh, you're going to continue
[103:54] to monitor all world reaction for us,
[103:57] Zay. Thank you very much, Zane Burgie at
[103:59] the CNN Center. It's an important
[104:01] question. Who should be in charge during
[104:03] a natural disaster? Coming up, we've
[104:06] been asking you if the US military
[104:08] should be in charge. Jack Caerty reading
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[107:09] The vice president, Dick Cheney, is now
[107:11] in New Orleans. He's touring areas
[107:13] devastated by Hurricane Katrina. Just a
[107:15] little while ago, this is videotape uh
[107:17] that we're just getting in. He got into
[107:19] that military Humvey and began an onthe
[107:23] scene inspection tour. You see the
[107:24] security guards uh walking in front and
[107:27] alongside that uh military Humvey. The
[107:31] vice president is inside. and he's going
[107:32] to see what's going on. At some point,
[107:35] we do expect him to make a statement.
[107:36] We'll try to bring you that statement
[107:38] once he does. In the meantime, though,
[107:40] he's sitting right there in the front
[107:41] seat as that Humvey drives along uh the
[107:45] streets of New Orleans. He's traveling
[107:46] with the military commander on the
[107:48] scene, the threear general Russell
[107:50] Honor, and other representatives, local,
[107:53] state, and federal authorities. They're
[107:55] in this convoy now. Uh and they're
[107:57] moving along. Uh we'll watch the vice
[108:00] president in the meantime. Well, we'll
[108:02] continue our coverage of this state of
[108:04] emergency. CNN's Tom Foreman, who spent
[108:06] many years working in New Orleans, he's
[108:08] joining us once again with his rather
[108:10] unique perspective given your history on
[108:12] this disaster. What are you picking up
[108:14] today, Tom?
[108:14] >> Well, you know, the biggest thing I'm
[108:15] picking up, Wolf, is that if there is a
[108:18] center of destruction here, and there is
[108:20] so so much all along the Gulf,
[108:22] everywhere, this is not to diminish any
[108:24] place, but one of the places that we're
[108:26] going to have to watch very closely over
[108:27] the next few days is going to be right
[108:29] here on the map. You see our big map of
[108:31] New Orleans. Here's downtown New
[108:32] Orleans. We've shown you this several
[108:33] times, but if we go in, there's a wide
[108:35] shot so you can see it all. If we go all
[108:36] the way in right here, this area to the
[108:39] east of town, this is called the Ninth
[108:41] Ward, the lower ninth ward. This canal
[108:44] over here, the industrial canal is one
[108:46] that broke where we had a lot of water
[108:48] pour in. What makes this important is
[108:51] over here is Shellmet, which is where we
[108:53] had some of the uh the folks who were
[108:55] found in the nursing home the other day.
[108:56] I believe in this area you're going to
[108:58] have an awful lot of casualties coming
[109:00] out. I hate to say that, but I think
[109:02] we're going to see many, many there
[109:04] because the nature of flooding there was
[109:07] different than it was in other places.
[109:08] If we look at our overlay of the
[109:10] flooding in this area, look at this huge
[109:12] amount of flooding all up in here, all
[109:15] over in here. What's different about
[109:17] this than all this flooding? The
[109:19] difference is that the flooding that
[109:21] happened in this area was explosive in
[109:24] nature. This is Lake Bourne over here.
[109:27] We don't talk much about Lake Bourne,
[109:29] but on Monday when this storm was
[109:30] sweeping in, Lake Bourne was pushing up
[109:33] through all these lowlands here very,
[109:35] very quickly. In addition to that, while
[109:38] that was happening, then we had Lake Pon
[109:40] Train up here starting to push down from
[109:43] above. That all put water pressure on
[109:46] this area that we're talking about, the
[109:48] Ninth Ward down into St. Bernard Parish,
[109:51] Shalomat, Arabi, all of these areas,
[109:53] workingclass neighborhoods, lots of
[109:55] folks that stay there, stay put there
[109:56] trying to take care of their property if
[109:58] they could, some because they couldn't
[109:59] get out. And then you had the levy break
[110:01] and fill in on this side. All reports
[110:04] out of this area were not of water
[110:06] merely rising rapidly like we saw in
[110:09] other parts of New Orleans on Tuesday,
[110:10] but of water rising at a cataclysmic
[110:14] rate on Monday. People talking about
[110:16] walking 30 feet and seeing the water
[110:19] rise 10 12 feet.
[110:21] >> Look at this Tom. This is video that
[110:22] we're getting. It's just coming into CNN
[110:24] now. Video coming in from the pool
[110:26] camera traveling with the vice president
[110:28] Dick Cheney. Uh every time we see
[110:31] destruction along this scale uh whether
[110:34] in Mississippi or or Louisiana, it's
[110:36] just heart-wrenching to see what a
[110:39] natural disaster the kind of damage that
[110:41] it can cause. uh these houses simply
[110:44] simply simply destroyed all up all and
[110:48] down all along the Gulf Coast
[110:50] >> and always remember something that
[110:51] people have to remember about hurricanes
[110:53] and it's easy to forget the water is
[110:55] what destroys things. Wind does wind is
[110:58] important and this these kind of winds
[110:59] will do a lot of damage but water
[111:02] getting into a building and shaking it
[111:03] around will will ruin it quickly and
[111:06] explosive water like we're talking about
[111:08] in the ninth ward and in Shalom and in
[111:10] St. Bernard Parish. This is what traps
[111:12] people and kills people all the time.
[111:15] And I think we're going to have to watch
[111:16] that area very closely.
[111:17] >> This area though looks like a
[111:19] Mississippi that uh that the vice
[111:21] president was flying over earlier today.
[111:23] This looks like simply devastated areas.
[111:26] >> And they had some of that there too. I
[111:28] mean, we had a witness the other day who
[111:29] was talking about in Beluxy coming out
[111:32] of his house. There was a little a
[111:34] little lagoon up. Yeah, this is further
[111:35] down the the shoreline. But he said he
[111:37] came out and there was a lagoon near his
[111:38] house. This man described at his house
[111:40] seeing a 30foot wave coming at him. Now,
[111:44] I know that's hard to judge and he knows
[111:46] it's hard to judge, but he's a man who's
[111:47] lived much of his life on the water and
[111:49] he said, "I'm telling you, I saw a
[111:50] 30-foot wave
[111:52] swelling up and pushing toward his
[111:54] house. He turned and left watching his
[111:56] house get destroyed behind him." Those
[111:58] stories of explosive water are going to
[112:00] lead us to where some of the some of the
[112:02] the greatest loss of life will
[112:04] ultimately be. And certainly all along
[112:05] that coast, you had that shallow part of
[112:07] the Gulf there pushing up. That water
[112:10] pushes easily when it's shallow like
[112:12] that and causes a lot of damage.
[112:13] >> All right, thanks very much Tom Foreman
[112:16] got a good perspective for us. Coming
[112:17] up, has FEMA become too politicized?
[112:20] Should the US military manage the
[112:22] response to natural disasters? What do
[112:25] you think? We'll hear what you think.
[112:26] Jack Caf, he's been reading your email.
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[114:11] >> Jack Cavern has been going through your
[114:13] email on the question of the hour. He's
[114:14] joining us once again from New York.
[114:16] Jack.
[114:18] >> Wolf. Somewhere along the way, FEMA has
[114:20] become a dumping ground for President
[114:23] Bush's political cronies. And most of
[114:25] them have little or no experience in
[114:27] disaster relief relief from the chief,
[114:29] Michael Brown, right on down the line. A
[114:31] lot of these guys at the top of FEMA are
[114:32] former campaign workers. And one guy
[114:35] planned presidential trips for the White
[114:37] House. Uh, one way to fix that would be
[114:39] to replace uh the leadership at FEMA and
[114:42] the responsibility for handling national
[114:44] disasters like a hurricane Katrina with
[114:46] the military. That's the question.
[114:48] Should the military be put in charge of
[114:49] handling domestic disasters such as
[114:51] hurricanes? Don, in Greenville, South
[114:53] Carolina, the military should not be
[114:55] given responsibility, FEMA needs new
[114:58] leaders and needs to regain autonomy. In
[115:00] other words, it should be out from under
[115:02] homeland security so that it has the 25
[115:05] or so agencies directly at its beck and
[115:07] call when the situation warrants. Todd
[115:10] in Ontario, Canada writes, "I'm sure the
[115:11] military could handle disaster relief
[115:13] more efficiently than FEMA, but it
[115:15] shouldn't be their responsibility. it
[115:17] should be handled by state officials.
[115:19] It's obvious the Bush administration has
[115:21] spent too much money on counterterrorism
[115:23] and cut too many essential services for
[115:25] the people. Terry writes, "It probably
[115:27] would not be a bad idea if we take their
[115:29] advice and let them do their job. They
[115:31] already have staging areas all over,
[115:33] experience deploying people, all the
[115:35] supplies at their fingertips. But the
[115:37] problem still remains who tells them
[115:39] they can go in. Do we leave it to them
[115:41] or the politicians?" Cara, Glendale,
[115:44] Arizona, why not the military?
[115:45] Obviously, FEMA isn't prepared to handle
[115:47] America's catastrophes. The military
[115:49] doesn't seem so politically motivated.
[115:51] And I like the military, particularly on
[115:54] Array's attitude. Just get it done.
[115:56] Reminds me of an old quote. Don't tell
[115:57] me how bad the storm is. Just bring the
[115:59] ship in. And Lisa in Haringen, Texas. I
[116:02] believe the military is doing the job of
[116:04] FEMA, so why not eliminate the red tape
[116:07] and overhead? Hey, I've worked in
[116:09] advertising. You think FEMA would give
[116:10] me a big job?
[116:13] >> Jack, we'll do this again tomorrow.
[116:14] Thanks very much.
[116:15] >> I can't wait.
[116:16] >> All right. Thank you very much. Uh we
[116:17] got some live pictures coming in. Live
[116:20] pictures coming in. Dick Cheney, the
[116:21] vice president of the United States.
[116:23] He's in the region right now. He's
[116:25] looking at one of the pumping stations.
[116:27] That's uh him with his uh back to us.
[116:29] You see the white hair. You see the blue
[116:31] shirt. He's getting briefed on this
[116:32] pumping station uh at the 17th Street uh
[116:36] levy uh where 17th Street canal where
[116:39] this levey simply broke. the vice
[116:41] president getting a on the scene
[116:43] inspection of what has happened. Uh we
[116:46] expect at some point to hear from him.
[116:48] Once we do, we will go back to New
[116:51] Orleans. Just ahead, flooding and fraud
[116:54] on the internet. Hurricane survivors
[116:56] need help. They need help right now. And
[116:58] there are plenty of people online
[117:00] willing to provide it. But do we need to
[117:02] be wary of some websites? Yes. We'll
[117:06] tell you some of that when we come back.
[117:12] Privacy, equality, the right to choose,
[117:16] fundamental freedoms Americans have
[117:17] cherished for generations. But John
[117:20] Roberts dismisses one of our established
[117:22] liberties as the so-called right to
[117:24] privacy and co-wrote a brief arguing
[117:27] that Row versus Wade should be
[117:29] overruled.
[117:30] Robert's legal record raises questions
[117:32] on whether he accepts the right to
[117:34] privacy. There's just too much at stake
[117:37] to let John Roberts become a decisive
[117:39] vote on the Supreme Court.
[117:41] >> So, we need 90 notebooks, Wi-Fi enabled
[117:44] ASAP,
[117:44] >> right?
[117:45] >> You just want me to make him appear now.
[117:47] >> All right.
[117:52] Ao,
[117:54] >> I'm just kidding. I'll call CDW. You'll
[117:56] have your notebooks in no time.
[117:58] >> Nobody responds like CDW with great
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[118:07] technology right away.
[118:08] >> So, you guys want me to conjure up some
[118:10] PCs, too?
[118:15] >> All over the internet, uh, there are
[118:17] people ready to help the hurricane
[118:18] survivors, but lurking among them, a few
[118:21] were trying to take advantage. Our
[118:23] internet reporter Abby Tatton is
[118:26] checking the situation online. Abby,
[118:27] what are you finding?
[118:28] >> Yes, Wolf. The Justice Department is
[118:30] warning people to be very wary when
[118:32] they're giving online. There are over
[118:35] 2,000 sites, they say, that have cropped
[118:37] up in the past few days since the
[118:39] hurricane, purporting to be helping the
[118:42] victims of Hurricane Katrina, and the
[118:44] Justice Department is warning that a lot
[118:46] of them could be bogus. Let's look at
[118:48] some of them here. Sopus.com is a
[118:50] computer security firm that's tracking
[118:53] some fishing emails, trying to get your
[118:55] credit card information. And this is one
[118:57] of those spam emails that they have
[118:59] tracked that they showed us. This
[119:00] purports to be from the American Red
[119:02] Cross. Shows up in an unsolicited email.
[119:05] Looks very much like it has the logo of
[119:07] the banner, but it's not. This is the
[119:09] legitimate site. Um, it's different. It
[119:12] has other ways to donate right there.
[119:14] The warning that they're giving is avoid
[119:16] these unsolicited emails. If you want to
[119:18] donate to the Red Cross, use a search
[119:21] engine like Google.com to find out the
[119:24] legitimate site. Avoid the unsolicited
[119:26] emails. Wolf
[119:27] >> Abby, thank you very much. We'll check
[119:28] back with you tomorrow. We're in the
[119:30] situation room every weekday afternoon 3
[119:32] to 6:00 p.m. Eastern. I'm Wolf Blitzer
[119:34] in Washington. Lou Dos tonight starts
[119:37] right now. Lou standing by in New York.
[119:38] Lou. Well, thank you. Good evening
[119:40] everybody. Tonight, New Orleans Mayor
[119:42] Ray Negan is giving hurricane survivors
[119:45] who refuse to leave their homes one last
[119:47] chance. Police and troops are trying to
[119:50] convince people to leave that city
[119:51] voluntarily. The next step, forcible
[119:54] removal. It's not altogether clear
[119:56] whether local, state, or federal
[119:59] agencies have the legal right to
[120:01] forcibly remove people from their homes.
[120:03] We'll be examining this critical issue
[120:04] here tonight. And on Capitol Hill, the
[120:07] highly partisan fight over who's to
[120:08] blame for the failure to respond quickly
[120:11] to this disaster is escalating. We'll be
[120:13] taking a look at one left-wing group
[120:16] that is at the center of what is
[120:17] increasingly a partisan battle. Senator
[120:20] John Kyle says this disaster makes him
[120:22] less certain that the United States can
[120:24] respond effectively to a terrorist
[120:26] attack against this country. Senator
[120:28] Kyle is our guest here. And I'll also be
[120:30] talking with a hero of 9/11, former New
[120:33] York City Police Commissioner Bernard
[120:34] Carrick. We'll be talking about the
[120:36] responsibilities of local governments in
[120:38] terrorist attacks and natural disasters.
[120:42] Tonight, there is word that a new
[120:43] hurricane is now charging toward the
[120:46] coast of Florida. We'll have the very
[120:48] latest for you on what is now Hurricane
[120:51] Oilia. Tonight, health officials in New
[120:54] Orleans are desperately concerned about
[120:56] the safety of as many as 15,000
[120:58] hurricane survivors who remain in that
[121:00] city. Those people face critical health
[121:03] risks. Rescue workers are making a new
[121:05] effort to convince remaining survivors
[121:07] to leave the city. Officials are also
[121:09] expressing new concern tonight about the
[121:11] rising number of fires in the city.
[121:13] There were four more fires today, 11
[121:15] fires yesterday. The hardpressed New
[121:18] Orleans Fire Department has now been
[121:19] reinforced by 800 firefighters from
[121:22] three states, New York, Illinois, and
[121:24] Maryland. The cost of this massive
[121:26] relief effort is escalating rapidly. The
[121:29] House of Representatives today passed an
[121:31] emergency spending bill for 52 billion
[121:34] of additional money. President Bush also
[121:36] announced new government incentives to
[121:39] help the hundreds of thousands of people
[121:40] who've left their homes and have no
[121:42] money. We begin our coverage tonight
[121:44] with a report by Jeff Coneni in New
[121:47] Orleans.
[121:48] >> If they bundle me up and carry me off,
[121:53] there will be gunfire.
[121:55] >> Austin Ado has been hauled out in his
[121:57] house in a wealthy New Orleans
[121:58] neighborhood for more than 10 days. And
[122:01] he says he's done this without anyone's
[122:04] help. He insists he's not worried about
[122:06] the outbreak of disease from stagnant
[122:09] corpseinfested waters.
[122:11] >> Why do they think that I am any more
[122:14] susceptible to disease than the soldiers
[122:17] that they've ordered to come evict us?
[122:21] >> He's not alone. Grady Hardy has been
[122:23] looking after his neighbors houses while
[122:25] they fled from Katrina. But if it comes
[122:27] to a forced eviction, he says he'll have
[122:30] no choice but to leave.
[122:31] >> Of course not. I can't resist armed
[122:33] force. I will verbally protest.
[122:35] Absolutely.
[122:36] >> Meanwhile, a few blocks away, James
[122:38] Favro is returning to inspect his home
[122:40] for the first time since the hurricane
[122:42] left much of his city submerged.
[122:45] >> He's been staying with friends several
[122:46] hundred miles away and is worried his
[122:49] multi-million dollar home may have taken
[122:51] a big hit.
[122:52] >> Look, I've got an open window up here,
[122:54] Dad. I'm going to have to go shut that.
[122:56] God knows what kind of water got in
[122:57] there.
[122:58] >> Bob McCleskkey is Favro's neighbor. He
[123:01] too is returning home for the first time
[123:03] and is pleasantly surprised his house is
[123:05] largely intact.
[123:07] >> No wind has blown out. I mean, it's just
[123:09] amazing.
[123:11] >> Both Mccleskey and Favro say they are
[123:13] leaving again now that they know their
[123:15] houses are okay. They say New Orleans is
[123:18] no longer where they want their families
[123:20] to be.
[123:21] >> Open door.
[123:22] >> There's a visible armed police presence
[123:24] everywhere in these streets. Some of
[123:27] these state troopers come from as far
[123:28] away as California and New York. There
[123:32] are also literally thousands of National
[123:34] Guard troops in just about every corner
[123:36] of this city. A Macabra reminder of a
[123:39] city in a state of emergency. When they
[123:42] come with the M16s to the house partying
[123:44] with their hands on the trigger, I'm not
[123:46] crazy. I will go.
[123:48] >> As the patrols intensify and with time
[123:51] running out, the city's remaining
[123:53] residents find themselves with two
[123:54] choices. leave or be forced to leave.
[124:01] >> Lou, bottom line, people don't want to
[124:02] leave the city for two basic reasons.
[124:04] One, a lot of them have pets. If they
[124:06] leave town, they don't know whether
[124:08] they'll be allowed to take their pets
[124:09] with them. Two, if they leave town, they
[124:12] don't know whether their houses will be
[124:13] safe if they are left unattended. Luke,
[124:17] >> Jeff, thank you very much, Jeff Coani.
[124:19] Firefighters in New Orleans are
[124:20] stretched to the limit tonight. New
[124:22] fires breaking out across the devastated
[124:24] city. Military helicopters carrying
[124:26] 750lb buckets of water moving in to
[124:29] battle a fierce blaze in a New Orleans
[124:31] home this afternoon. 100 firefighters
[124:33] from New Orleans are now battling those
[124:35] fires with help from 800 firefighters
[124:38] from all parts of the country. But New
[124:39] Orleans officials say the threat of
[124:41] massive new fires in their city is still
[124:44] very real tonight. One major concern
[124:46] that they have is the threat of new
[124:48] fires from broken underwater gas lines.
[124:51] And some of the fires they admit have
[124:53] been set by arsonists. And as long as
[124:55] remaining survivors remain in their
[124:57] homes and use candles, officials say
[124:59] there will be a serious threat of
[125:01] accidental house fires. President Bush
[125:03] today declared Friday, September 16th,
[125:05] as a national day of prayer and
[125:07] remembrance for victims of this
[125:08] disaster. President Bush also announced
[125:11] two major new government initiatives to
[125:12] help survivors. Dana Bash reports now
[125:15] from the White House. Dana. Well, Lou,
[125:17] first on the National Day of Prayer, the
[125:19] White House, unfortunately, uh, is well
[125:21] aware that the the American people are
[125:23] likely to see in the next few days and
[125:25] hear about more and more stories of
[125:27] bodies being recovered. Part of calling
[125:30] for prayer is to make sure Americans see
[125:32] the president uh, understanding what's
[125:34] going on on the ground and also uh,
[125:36] preparing Americans for more grim news
[125:39] and perhaps outrage among the American
[125:41] people about what went on. Now, on the
[125:43] initiatives you talked about, the
[125:44] president announced today, first of all,
[125:46] he said that every household who has
[125:48] been displaced, they will get $2,000
[125:51] from the government. And he also talked
[125:52] about some initiatives he said to cut
[125:54] through the red tape, primarily to make
[125:56] sure that those getting federal benefits
[125:58] like Medicaid, Medicare, unemployment
[126:00] will still get them. But he also made
[126:03] clear that people need to be patient.
[126:06] We have much more work to do.
[126:10] But the people who have been hurt by
[126:11] this storm know that need to know that
[126:13] the government is going to be with you
[126:15] for the long haul.
[126:17] Now, the big question here is how to
[126:20] actually confront that long haul
[126:22] monumental task of relocation and all of
[126:25] the things that the federal government
[126:26] is going to have to do that could take
[126:28] uh six to nine months, even longer. The
[126:30] president had a flurry of meetings about
[126:31] this today and all week. He also met
[126:34] with some members of Congress,
[126:35] Republicans, to talk about what
[126:36] legislation could be needed. And some
[126:38] Republicans here, Lou, came out of a
[126:40] meeting with the president and said that
[126:41] they told him that it's very important
[126:43] to get an outside official, somebody
[126:45] who's going to be down there, somebody
[126:46] who's very influential who can deal with
[126:48] this task for the long term. Lou,
[126:51] >> they're suggesting that the officials
[126:53] that are appointed by the government,
[126:54] uh, Homeland Security Chief Michael
[126:56] Churoff, FEMA director Michael Brown,
[126:59] are not adequate to the task. Well,
[127:01] that's certainly the question that we
[127:02] asked and the answer was uh that they
[127:05] are people who have their work cut out
[127:07] for them in the jobs that they are doing
[127:08] now and that this is going to be such a
[127:10] huge task where you're going to need a
[127:12] presence, a leader on the ground for so
[127:14] long that they think that somebody
[127:15] should be out there. No names we've
[127:17] heard floating around Washington, Rudy
[127:18] Giuliani, Coen Powell. The White House
[127:20] says that this is definitely something
[127:22] that's on the table, but they haven't
[127:23] made any decision yet. Lou,
[127:26] >> thank you very much. Dana Bash from the
[127:28] White House. President Bush today sent
[127:30] Vice President Dick Cheney to tour the
[127:32] disaster area. The Vice President, now
[127:34] in New Orleans, inspected flood damage
[127:36] and the damaged levies. Earlier, Vice
[127:39] President Cheney was in Gulfport,
[127:40] Mississippi, where he declared that
[127:42] emergency workers are making what he
[127:43] called significant progress in their
[127:45] search and recovery operation. Many
[127:48] evacuees are in Houston. City officials
[127:51] today ordered a lockdown at the
[127:52] Astradome, however, as people started
[127:55] rushing to get to those new debit cards
[127:57] that quickly became chaos. The chaos was
[128:00] so great and extended that officials
[128:02] were forced to uh shut down the
[128:05] operation. Betty Win is live at the
[128:07] Houston Astrodome tonight with the
[128:08] story. Betty,
[128:10] >> Lou, we've been under a temporary
[128:12] lockdown today because flooding into
[128:15] Reliant Park to get their hands on
[128:17] these. It's an American Red Cross debit
[128:20] card. It allows up to $2,000 per family
[128:23] for many of these evacuees. And so many
[128:25] folks rush in here to get their hands on
[128:27] them and wait in long lines. Lines span
[128:30] all the way down the side of the
[128:31] building at Reliant Center. People
[128:33] waited for hours on in. And there was a
[128:35] lot of confusion over whether these
[128:37] cards would be available and if they're
[128:38] the same thing as the FEMA cards. Plus,
[128:40] to to make matters worse, people from
[128:43] other shelters were coming in here when
[128:45] this was only supposed to be designated
[128:47] to evacuees at the Reliant Park area. On
[128:50] top of that, we have learned though
[128:52] despite the chaos, some 1,400 evacuees
[128:56] were given a process at least so they
[128:58] would be given these debit cards today.
[129:00] Now, but because of all the chaos, Lou,
[129:03] FEMA has decided to rethink these debit
[129:06] cards which they were planning to
[129:07] distribute tomorrow. We have learned
[129:09] that indeed they will continue
[129:10] distributing debit cards tomorrow,
[129:13] $2,000 per family here in the Houston
[129:16] area at the three or the four main
[129:18] shelters. But outside of this Houston
[129:21] area, we've learned from a regional
[129:22] officer with FEMA that they've decided
[129:24] to rethink that and they're going to go
[129:26] with electronic uh funds transferring,
[129:28] basically saying that they're going to
[129:30] electronically put the money in bank
[129:32] accounts or send evacuees checks. Uh so
[129:35] they've learned lessons from the chaos
[129:36] today and because of the lockdown and
[129:38] they've changed the method in which
[129:39] they're going to use these debit cards.
[129:41] But as for now, all the evacuees here in
[129:44] Houston will be getting the debit cards
[129:46] and that starts at 8:00 a.m. tomorrow.
[129:49] One last thing, amid all this chaos,
[129:51] people are still looking for family
[129:53] members. And we have a gentleman who
[129:55] came to us yesterday looking for his
[129:56] daughter. He in fact did find her. Take
[129:59] a listen.
[130:01] >> Everyone is fine now. Everyone is
[130:03] located and everyone is fine. And I'm
[130:05] fine now that I know where my daughter
[130:08] is and she's safe.
[130:12] >> That's right. That was George Parker. So
[130:14] excited to hear from his daughter.
[130:15] Indeed, she is in Arkansas of all
[130:17] places. Uh they they were in New Orleans
[130:20] when the water started rising in their
[130:21] apartment. They were luckily able to get
[130:24] out. Her husband had to undergo surgery
[130:26] though, but they are all alive and he is
[130:28] so thankful for that. Lou
[130:29] >> and Betty, that is part of the the
[130:32] horror that has been Hurricane Katrina
[130:34] and its aftermath uh in which uh not
[130:37] enough attention is probably paid and
[130:38] that is in addition to everything else
[130:40] that these victims of this hurricane are
[130:42] going through. The separation from their
[130:45] families is certainly a a critical part
[130:47] of that and at least in this instance a
[130:49] happy ending. Betty Win, thank you very
[130:51] much from the Houston Superdome. Tonight
[130:55] there is a new hurricane threat to this
[130:57] country. Tropical storm Ailia has
[131:00] strengthened into the seventh hurricane
[131:01] of the season. It is now off the coast
[131:04] of Florida. Rob Marciano is in our
[131:06] weather center with the very latest. Rob
[131:09] very close to the coastline of Florida.
[131:11] As a matter of fact, only 70 miles now
[131:13] east northeast of Cape Canaveral,
[131:15] Florida. So, right about there. 70 mi
[131:17] this way. And there you got it. An
[131:19] explosion of thunderstorms and expansion
[131:21] of the cloud canopy today. and then
[131:22] recon aircraft in there earlier this
[131:25] afternoon indicating that yes, winds
[131:27] have now gotten to 75 mph. That makes it
[131:29] a category 1 storm. Problem is it's
[131:32] stationary. It's sitting right over the
[131:33] Gulfream with waters of 85 degrees plus.
[131:36] So that's one of the reasons that it has
[131:37] strengthened and it's one of the reasons
[131:39] that there could be some more
[131:40] strengthening here in the next day or
[131:42] two. This is the forecast track out of
[131:44] the National Hurricane Center. It is
[131:46] stuck. It is not moving anywhere right
[131:47] now which makes it extremely difficult
[131:48] to forecast until we get some sort of
[131:50] movement. But right now, the forecast is
[131:52] for it to pick up a little bit of steam
[131:54] and head towards the northeast as a
[131:56] category 1 storm for the next couple of
[131:57] days and then maybe even do a loop,
[132:00] which is uh not unheard of, but
[132:02] certainly rare, especially when you have
[132:04] winds, steering winds as weak as they
[132:06] are right now. Key here is that the
[132:08] National Hurricane Center has not issued
[132:10] a hurricane watch or warning yet.
[132:12] Tropical storm watches and warnings have
[132:14] been issued. A tropical storm warning
[132:15] means that tropical storm conditions
[132:18] expected in the next 24 hours. But
[132:19] because they haven't issued a hurricane
[132:21] warning, it indicates that they're
[132:22] pretty confident of this thing not
[132:23] jogging too far to the west to give the
[132:25] coastline hurricane strength conditions
[132:27] at least for right now. Uh Lou, so we'll
[132:29] watch this thing. It is sitting right
[132:30] now and it continues to strengthen and
[132:32] it could very well be a threat to the
[132:34] coastline of the US before it's it's
[132:36] done. Back to you,
[132:37] >> Rob. Thank you, Rob Marciano. News that
[132:39] none of us wanted to hear but uh which
[132:41] we have to pay great attention to. Thank
[132:43] you, Rob. Still ahead here, New Orleans
[132:45] residents have one last chance to leave
[132:47] their homes before New Orleans police
[132:49] force them out. I'll be talking with our
[132:51] senior legal analyst Jeffrey Tub about
[132:53] whether police and other authorities
[132:56] actually have the legal power to remove
[132:58] them from their homes in the blame game
[133:00] on Capitol Hill. Why Congress is unable
[133:03] to put political bickering and partisan
[133:06] advantage seeking aside as they try to
[133:08] help disaster victims. And the man who
[133:11] led New York's police response to
[133:13] September 11th says state and local
[133:15] officials are greatly to blame for the
[133:18] failure to respond adequately in New
[133:20] Orleans. I'll be talking with former New
[133:21] York City police commissioner Bernard
[133:23] Carrick about the breakdown next.
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[135:40] >> An extraordinary example today of how
[135:42] the hurricane disaster could be used by
[135:44] highly partisan groups on both sides of
[135:47] the political spectrum to win political
[135:49] advantage. USA Today reported that the
[135:52] liberal group Move On.org planned to use
[135:55] images from the disaster to criticize
[135:58] Supreme Court nominee Judge John
[136:00] Roberts. But move on.org later insisted
[136:03] it never had any plans whatsoever to
[136:05] produce such an ad. Kitty Pilgrim has
[136:07] our report. Kitty
[136:08] >> Lou, it's really interesting how these
[136:09] 527s and political action groups are
[136:12] steering the national debate today. Move
[136:14] on.org. A political action group
[136:16] organized a rally outside the White
[136:18] House with victims of the hurricane.
[136:20] They were chanting shame and their
[136:23] flyers read President Bush stop blaming
[136:25] the victims of Hurricane Katrina and get
[136:27] to work helping them. Well, a story in
[136:30] USA Today claims that Move On.org was
[136:33] planning on running ads next week
[136:35] opposing judicial candidate John Roberts
[136:37] that would feature hurricane victims.
[136:39] Move on.org denied that story. They say,
[136:42] "We have no plans and have never had
[136:44] plans to produce such an ad." Well, then
[136:47] you have the head of another group, the
[136:49] Family Research Council, calling a press
[136:52] conference saying, "I am outraged that
[136:54] move on.org or would exploit the
[136:56] suffering of the people of my state and
[136:58] the Gulf region in their ongoing
[137:00] campaign to destroy Judge Roberts. Well,
[137:03] we spoke to USA Today the reporter Mark
[137:06] Meett and he stands by his story. He
[137:08] finds it odd that move on.org would tell
[137:11] him about the ads on Wednesday and then
[137:13] deny them on Thursday. But ad or no ad,
[137:17] these political groups, Lou, are
[137:18] definitely using the hurricane for their
[137:21] own political message. I
[137:22] >> It's extraordinary. It is unseammly. on
[137:25] both sides of the political spectrum. We
[137:27] should point out whether conservative or
[137:29] liberal uh uh radically left or
[137:31] radically right. Uh it's it's beyond
[137:35] distasteful. It is it's lacking in
[137:38] civility. It is treating the American
[137:40] people like they're fools, as if labels
[137:42] are adequate to to uh to project a
[137:45] reality. This is absurd.
[137:47] >> It seems very transparent and certainly
[137:49] the American public is capable of seeing
[137:51] beyond this, I think.
[137:52] >> And USA Today stands by its story. They
[137:54] absolutely do and the reporter does too.
[137:57] >> Well, I thought if one certainly the
[137:58] other. Thank you very much, Kitty
[138:00] Pilgrim. As politicians argue about who
[138:03] is to blame in the uh inadequate
[138:05] response to this disaster, as many as
[138:07] 15,000 New Orleans residents are tonight
[138:10] being ordered to leave their city or
[138:12] face forcible removal. Many of those
[138:15] residents are stranded. But many, if not
[138:18] most, simply refuse to leave. Those
[138:21] residents are living without power. They
[138:23] do not have jobs. In some cases, lacking
[138:26] refrigeration and all of the necessities
[138:28] of life they remain. The threat to their
[138:31] health, however, is rising by the hour.
[138:34] But can New Orleans or any other
[138:36] government entity legally force them to
[138:38] leave their property? We ask our senior
[138:40] legal analyst, Jeffrey Tubin, to examine
[138:42] the question, and he joins me now.
[138:44] Jeffrey, are these authorities acting uh
[138:47] according to the law?
[138:48] >> They they they certainly are. Although,
[138:50] as always with the law, there are
[138:52] varying interpretations, but there is a
[138:54] specific statute that allows the
[138:55] governor and the mayor to do what
[138:57] they're doing. And maybe I could just
[138:58] read it and we can say what it says. It
[139:00] says, "The governor can direct and
[139:03] compel the evacuation of all or part of
[139:06] the population from any stricken or
[139:08] threatened area within the state if he
[139:10] or she deems this action necessary for
[139:13] the preservation of life or other
[139:15] disaster mitigation, response, or
[139:17] recovery." that would seem to cover um
[139:21] what what's available in New Orleans?
[139:23] >> That's that's just a New H that is a
[139:25] Louisiana state statute on disaster
[139:28] relief.
[139:28] >> And the fact is that uh the talk of a
[139:32] mandatory evacuation order. Did they
[139:34] also have that power before Katrina hit?
[139:37] >> They did. This was a law that that was
[139:38] on the books before.
[139:40] >> And one wonders at why it was not used
[139:42] and that is the responsibility of the
[139:44] mayor or the governor or both.
[139:45] >> Each both have separate authority. Those
[139:47] statutes are somewhat diff different,
[139:49] but they're basically uh offer the same
[139:51] uh power to to each official.
[139:53] >> Now, uh General Honore, the the man in
[139:56] charge of the military down there says
[139:58] his people aren't going his troops are
[140:00] not going to his soldiers are not going
[140:02] to be participating in forcible removal.
[140:04] Uh is that also within the
[140:06] >> That would be within their right. You
[140:08] know there's a famous old law called
[140:09] posiccomatadus which says that ordinary
[140:13] American troops cannot be used in any
[140:15] sort of police action within the 50
[140:18] states. However, the national guard is
[140:20] exempted from that and national guard
[140:22] can always make arrests. So if general
[140:24] honore wanted to order his troops to
[140:26] make arrests, he can.
[140:28] >> Jeffrey Tubin, thank you very much for
[140:30] laying out the law and uh as always, we
[140:32] appreciate it.
[140:34] >> Coming up here next, the blame game over
[140:36] the hurricane. It began long before any
[140:38] organized relief effort was actually
[140:41] underway along the devastated Gulf
[140:42] Coast. Believe it or not, it is now
[140:45] becoming increasingly intense. We'll
[140:46] have a special report on that. And then
[140:48] the chairman of the Senate Terrorism
[140:50] Subcommittee is determined to avoid a
[140:52] similar response in the event of a
[140:54] terrorist attack against this country.
[140:56] Senator John Kyle is our guest. That and
[140:59] a great deal more still ahead. Stay with
[141:01] us.
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[143:56] >> The heartstoppping race against time to
[143:58] save the children of Katrina. Larry
[144:00] King, CNN tonight.
[144:03] >> Tonight, charges and countercharges
[144:05] about which official, whether local,
[144:07] state, or federal, failed to do his or
[144:09] her part. And the charges and
[144:12] countercharges have become increasingly
[144:14] partisan and bitter. Federal, state, and
[144:16] local officials are doing anything they
[144:17] can now to assign blame and avoid taking
[144:21] responsibility now for what has been
[144:23] universally described as a slow and
[144:25] inadequate response to this disaster.
[144:27] Lisa Sylvester reports. After the levies
[144:30] broke and chaos ripped through New
[144:32] Orleans, Mayor Ray Negan thrashed the
[144:34] federal government for not doing enough
[144:36] in an interview with WWL radio's Garland
[144:39] Robinette.
[144:40] >> Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming
[144:42] here. They not here.
[144:45] It's too dog on late now. Get off your
[144:48] asses and let's do something.
[144:50] >> Democratic lawmakers blamed the Bush
[144:52] administration for ignoring poor black
[144:54] constituents.
[144:55] >> I'm ashamed of America. I'm ashamed of
[144:58] our government.
[144:59] >> Fingerpointing quickly focused on
[145:01] Department of Homeland Security
[145:03] Secretary Michael Churoff. And right
[145:05] below him, Federal Emergency Management
[145:07] Chief Mike Brown, a well-connected
[145:10] political appointee. I think Mike Brown
[145:12] has demonstrated that he can't handle
[145:14] the job.
[145:15] >> The White House was on the defense.
[145:17] >> There's some that are interested in
[145:18] playing the blame game. This is getting
[145:20] into where some want to engage in a
[145:22] blame game. The time for bickering and
[145:24] blame gaming is later.
[145:26] >> By midweek, Republicans started openly
[145:28] shifting the blame to state and local
[145:30] leaders. Louisiana Governor Kathleen
[145:33] Blanco for refusing to sign over control
[145:35] of the National Guard to the federal
[145:37] government. Mayor Negan for sending his
[145:39] citizens to the Superdome and Convention
[145:41] Center and not out of the city and for
[145:44] his failure to move 12,000 buses that
[145:47] could have carried people to safety to
[145:49] higher ground.
[145:49] >> The emergency response system was set up
[145:52] to work from the bottom up. Uh and and
[145:55] it's it's the local officials trying to
[145:59] handle the problem. When they can't
[146:00] handle the problem, they go to the state
[146:02] and the state uh uh uh does what they
[146:05] can do. Anyone who could have prevented
[146:08] this is being blamed, including Congress
[146:10] for giving FEMA a skimpy budget.
[146:12] Louisiana's federal representatives for
[146:14] funneling Army Corps of Engineers funds
[146:16] to the wrong projects. Even the people
[146:19] of New Orleans, those who didn't follow
[146:21] the mandatory evacuation order.
[146:24] Republican leaders in the House and the
[146:26] Senate say they plan to investigate what
[146:28] went wrong and who is to blame. But
[146:30] Democrats say there should be a 9/11
[146:32] type of independent commission. Senate
[146:34] Democratic leader Harry Reid said today,
[146:36] "An investigation of the Republican
[146:38] administration by a Republican
[146:40] controlled Congress is like having a
[146:42] pitcher call his own balls and strikes."
[146:44] Lou,
[146:45] >> uh, as if it were a game, an
[146:47] unfortunate, uh, if you will, metaphor.
[146:50] Thank you very much, Lisa Sylvester.
[146:52] Congress today approved almost two
[146:54] billion, 52 billion rather, in new aid
[146:57] for the devastated Gulf Coast. The
[146:59] eventual price tag for this disa
[147:01] disaster will certainly go much much
[147:03] higher. Initial estimates say that it
[147:05] could cost the government as much as
[147:06] $200 billion or more. All of this as the
[147:10] partisan bickering continues on Capitol
[147:12] Hill over just who is to blame for the
[147:15] slow response to this disaster. Ed Henry
[147:18] is on Capitol Hill now and has the
[147:19] latest for us. Ed. Lou, to give you an
[147:21] idea of how fast this money is burning,
[147:24] the $10.5 billion dollar relief fund
[147:26] that Congress funded last week has
[147:28] already been spent in less than a week.
[147:30] That's why this $52 billion is needed.
[147:32] It was passed by the House a couple of
[147:34] hours ago. It's going to be passed by
[147:35] the Senate at about 7:00 tonight,
[147:37] Eastern time. But today, for the first
[147:39] time, we started hearing some tough
[147:41] questions by leaders in both parties
[147:43] about how high this price tag will be
[147:44] and whether or not it's a blank check.
[147:46] You're hearing Republican lawmakers like
[147:48] Mike Pence say they're concerned. They
[147:50] want to see some cuts in other federal
[147:52] programs in order to offset all this
[147:54] relief money. You're hearing Democrats
[147:55] like Senator Harry Reid say they're
[147:57] concerned that over 90% of the money is
[147:59] going to go to FEMA, the belleaguered
[148:01] federal agency that has had a lot of
[148:02] questions about its management raised.
[148:04] Take a listen to to what they had to say
[148:06] today.
[148:08] Let's figure out how we're going to pay
[148:09] for it.
[148:11] Congress must ensure that a catastrophe
[148:16] of nature does not become a catastrophe
[148:19] of debt for our children and
[148:22] grandchildren. First of all, the money
[148:25] for the relief effort goes basically to
[148:27] FEMA, more than 90% of it. After
[148:30] everything that has happened with FEMA,
[148:32] is there anyone anyone who believes that
[148:35] we should continue to let the money go
[148:37] to FEMA and be distributed by them?
[148:41] And Senator John McCain told me that
[148:43] Congress could probably have a better
[148:44] job of finding ways to pay for this if
[148:46] they cut some of the pork out of the
[148:48] recent highway and energy bills, but
[148:50] obviously that's very unlikely to
[148:52] happen.
[148:53] That is a clearly partisan spin on a
[148:55] straightforward uh piece of legislation
[148:58] to provide over $50 billion uh in
[149:01] disaster relief. Uh is that a Democratic
[149:03] strategy?
[149:05] >> Oh, I'm I'm not certain about that. I
[149:06] mean, that's why you heard Republican
[149:07] Mike Pence there also raising questions.
[149:09] In fact, 11
[149:10] >> No, Ed, I ask you, is it a is it a
[149:12] Democratic strategy? I understand that.
[149:14] >> Right. 11 conservative Republicans voted
[149:16] against it on the floor. In terms of the
[149:17] Democrats, clearly there have been
[149:19] allegations that they're politicizing
[149:20] this. We heard Harry Reid just yesterday
[149:22] say that the investigation into what
[149:23] went wrong should include whether or not
[149:25] the president's vacation affected the
[149:27] relief efforts. Uh, you know, I don't
[149:28] think it's a specific Democratic
[149:30] strategy necessarily, but clearly
[149:32] Democrats in terms of going after
[149:33] Michael Brown, certainly that is part of
[149:35] their strategy. They want to put the
[149:37] blame right at his doorstep. The idea
[149:39] whether Republican or Democrat that uh
[149:42] this country should pay for what it uh
[149:44] uh for its government programs whether
[149:45] disaster relief, war or uh welfare is a
[149:50] is generally considered to be prudent
[149:53] governance. Uh it has been honored in
[149:55] the breach obviously in recent years. Uh
[149:57] the the fact is that this this clash
[149:59] between Democrats and Republicans on
[150:01] Capitol Hill, Ed, uh the Republicans uh
[150:04] are are saying just as eagerly and as
[150:07] quickly uh as Democrats in my experience
[150:10] here over the last uh week that uh
[150:13] they're not pleased with FEMA or Michael
[150:15] Brown either. What is the sense there in
[150:17] Washington as to whether or not he will
[150:19] in fact be fired?
[150:20] >> I think it's almost gotten beyond
[150:22] Michael Brown at this point. The
[150:23] administration is not really putting him
[150:24] out there very much. You can see Michael
[150:26] Churoff and other officials being put
[150:28] out further. And in fact, while some
[150:30] Republicans like Senate Majority Leader
[150:32] Bill Fris just today said that clearly
[150:33] the federal government, including FEMA,
[150:35] did not do enough early on, you're
[150:37] hearing other Republicans like Tom
[150:38] Delay, as you heard a moment ago, trying
[150:40] to push it more to to the state and
[150:42] local officials and say that there's
[150:43] been too much focus on the federal
[150:45] government and that this is a shared
[150:46] responsibility.
[150:47] Yeah, I don't think uh you know just in
[150:49] for clarity of uh uh reporting I don't
[150:52] think there is any doubt that the that
[150:54] the inadequate slow response to this
[150:56] disaster is certainly shared by uh the
[150:59] federal, state and local governments.
[151:02] That shouldn't be in question. Thank you
[151:04] very much Ed Henry. Democratic National
[151:06] Committee Chairman Howard Dean says race
[151:08] was a factor in who lived and who died
[151:10] in Hurricane Katrina. Dean made those
[151:13] comments in a speech to the National
[151:14] Baptist Convention of America in Miami.
[151:17] It is one of the largest
[151:18] African-American religious groups in
[151:20] this country.
[151:21] Survivors are being evacuated and and as
[151:25] the order is restored and the water res
[151:27] and we sort through the rubble, we have
[151:28] to come to terms with ugly truth that
[151:31] skin color, age, and economics played a
[151:35] significant role in who survived and who
[151:37] did not.
[151:40] Dean also said, "Many people die
[151:42] because, in his words, the federal
[151:43] government lacked vision." Dean later
[151:45] claimed he was not pointing, let me
[151:48] repeat this, he said later that he was
[151:50] not pointing the finger of blame.
[151:53] Senator John Kyle of Arizona is
[151:55] promising to hold comprehensive hearings
[151:56] into just what went wrong in both the
[151:58] planning and the response to this
[152:01] hurricane disaster. As we've reported
[152:03] here tonight, Congress approved nearly
[152:04] $52 billion of new disaster aid. Some
[152:07] Democrats are strongly opposed, as we
[152:10] told you, to FEMA's role in distributing
[152:11] those funds. Some Republicans also
[152:14] concerned about the price tag. Senator
[152:16] Kyle joins us tonight from Capitol Hill.
[152:18] Senator, good to have you here. In your
[152:20] opinion, this $52 billion, we know it's
[152:23] the first installment. Uh, is FEMA the
[152:26] right agency to distribute the money? Uh
[152:29] it's the second installment actually and
[152:31] I I think we really don't know whether
[152:33] FEMA is the right agency but right now
[152:35] the entity that has to sign the
[152:37] contracts that a lot of this money ends
[152:39] up uh uh fulfilling uh is is FEMA.
[152:42] That's just the way the law is set up
[152:44] and so it's going to go through there.
[152:45] But the House put in and the Senate
[152:47] agrees that we need to have inspectors
[152:48] general who will be closely monitoring
[152:51] this spending as it's occurring. And I
[152:53] believe that that's going to occur so
[152:55] that at least we'll have a good
[152:56] transparency in in terms of where the
[152:59] money went and whether it was spent
[153:01] appropriately.
[153:02] >> Senator, there has been criticism uh
[153:04] much of it partisan in nature, but those
[153:07] who are looking at this response by the
[153:09] federal, state, and local governments
[153:11] with clear uh nonpartisan eyes say that
[153:14] this is simply an inadequate way for a
[153:16] superpower to respond to a disaster,
[153:18] whether a natural disaster is in this
[153:20] case or a terrorist attack.
[153:22] uh what is your thinking and what do you
[153:24] plan to do?
[153:25] >> Well, first I I hesitate to uh prejudge
[153:28] the the uh results of uh work that's
[153:31] going to be done by members of Congress
[153:33] when they look back and report in
[153:35] February as the speaker and the majority
[153:37] leader have announced. It'll be a
[153:39] bipartisan biccameal commission that
[153:41] will investigate what went wrong and uh
[153:44] make recommendations for what needs to
[153:45] be done in the future. My subcommittee
[153:48] deals with terrorism and homeland
[153:49] security. And what I'm going to be
[153:51] focusing on later after the emergency is
[153:53] concluded is what would have happened
[153:55] had this been a terrorism event. And
[153:58] indeed, there are terrorist events that
[153:59] could approximate what happened here
[154:02] from the breach of a dam or a levy uh to
[154:04] the necessary evacuation of an area the
[154:07] size of New Orleans, for example. And
[154:09] we're going to find out whether or not
[154:11] we do have adequate plans, and if so, we
[154:13] think they can be adequately carried
[154:14] out. My own sense is that as a result of
[154:17] what happened here, we'll conclude that
[154:18] we have a lot more work to do.
[154:20] >> Uh as you would in knowing you, you
[154:22] would not want to prejudge in any way
[154:24] because you are a careful and thoughtful
[154:27] uh public servant. Uh but the fact is if
[154:29] this were a terrorist attack, we're now
[154:31] four years in uh by Sunday it will be 4
[154:34] years exactly from September 11th. What
[154:37] were your thoughts as you have watched
[154:39] uh this response move forward in New
[154:43] Orleans? Uh and to think it's 4 years
[154:45] from September 11th.
[154:48] After about a day and a half, my thought
[154:50] was that we are not prepared for the
[154:54] kind of terrorist attack that I
[154:56] anticipate will be attempted on us. And
[154:58] that's why I immediately decided we
[155:00] would have to look into this because I
[155:02] think we can expect attempts at
[155:04] terrorism. you can easily postulate a
[155:06] kind of event almost very very much like
[155:09] this and clearly we weren't ready for
[155:11] this. I think we'll find there are a lot
[155:13] of things that need to be sorted out.
[155:15] For example, the relationship between
[155:16] the local, state and federal governments
[155:19] in terms of authority. My sense is the
[155:21] federal government was prepared to move
[155:22] a lot quicker than it did because you
[155:25] had a local and state response that we
[155:28] rely upon first. Is that appropriate in
[155:30] every case? Uh these are the kind of
[155:32] things we're going to have to sort out
[155:34] and not to point fingers and blame
[155:36] people, but to simply constructively
[155:37] understand what we need to do to make
[155:39] sure it never happens again.
[155:41] >> Absolutely. Well, Senator Kyle, we thank
[155:42] you very much for being here and for
[155:44] moving forward with those hearings.
[155:46] Thank you. Still ahead, new concerns
[155:48] that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
[155:50] hurt this nation's ability to respond to
[155:53] this hurricane disaster. I'll be talking
[155:55] with General David Graange about that
[155:56] issue and charges tonight that poorly
[155:58] run relief efforts on the Gulf Coast
[156:00] cost human lives. We'll have a firsthand
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[158:00] >> In the wake of Hurricane Katrina,
[158:02] foreign aid has poured in from all
[158:04] around the world. But one country
[158:06] sending a convoy of troops and aid is of
[158:10] special interest. Casey Wyan has the
[158:12] report. Casey. Lou, we're about to show
[158:14] you some pictures that would have been
[158:16] unimaginable just a couple of weeks ago.
[158:19] This is a convoy of Mexican army troops
[158:22] crossing the Rio Grand entering the
[158:24] United States. It's the first time
[158:26] they've been this far north since the
[158:28] Mexican-American War in 1846.
[158:32] But these Mexican soldiers are unarmed.
[158:34] Some 200 are now in Texas to help
[158:37] provide humanitarian aid to victims of
[158:39] Hurricane Katrina. They've brought
[158:41] mobile kitchens, water treatment
[158:43] facilities, and medical personnel.
[158:47] >> It is very heartening when the United
[158:50] States is in a time of need that our
[158:53] good friends and neighbors in Mexico
[158:55] respond
[158:57] uh with a very generous generous offer.
[158:59] I think the uh uh the the fact that this
[159:03] is an overland con convoy is symbolic of
[159:06] that close relationship and we very much
[159:08] appreciate the Mexican people and the
[159:11] Mexican government coming to the aid of
[159:13] those who need it.
[159:15] >> A Mexican Navy ship has also arrived in
[159:18] US waters off of Mississippi with
[159:20] helicopters and other search and rescue
[159:22] equipment. Of course, as we've often
[159:24] reported, the relationship between the
[159:26] United States and Mexico has grown
[159:28] increasingly tense in recent months,
[159:30] mainly over the issue of illegal
[159:31] immigration. But for now, at least,
[159:33] there's a clear spirit of cooperation.
[159:35] We spoke with several lawmakers and
[159:37] other groups who've been sharply
[159:39] critical of the Mexican government in
[159:41] the past, and none of them found
[159:43] anything bad to say about this mission.
[159:45] Lou,
[159:46] >> in fact, there's a great deal good to
[159:47] say about this. Uh the fact is that that
[159:49] is a a great gesture, a gesture shared
[159:52] by a number of other countries. Uh any
[159:55] reason why Mexico could not send this
[159:56] aid without sending troops.
[159:59] >> Uh not sure why they couldn't send it
[160:01] without sending troops, but they do have
[160:03] an elite search and uh rescue team that
[160:05] proved itself in previous uh disasters
[160:08] in Mexico. So these were the best
[160:10] personnel that they thought they could
[160:12] send that could be of the most use to
[160:13] the United States. Lou,
[160:15] >> outstanding. And our thanks go to the
[160:16] government of Mexico. Thank you very
[160:18] much, Casey Wyatt. Mexico, of course, is
[160:20] not the only country sending aid to the
[160:22] United States after the hurricane. Here
[160:24] are just some of the many offers of aid
[160:27] from all around the world. China has
[160:29] sent 600 gas generators, almost 25,000
[160:32] bed sheets, and a thousand tents. France
[160:35] has delivered tarps, tents, and food.
[160:38] South Africa has sent a generator to
[160:40] help produce fresh drinking water. And
[160:42] the list goes on. The need is obviously
[160:45] great. And joining me now is our Chris
[160:47] Huntington. He's just returned from the
[160:50] coast of Mississippi, from Waveland to
[160:52] the west to Baloxy to Pascola. Uh Chris
[160:55] reporting spent a week there covering
[160:57] the devastation, the rescue and recovery
[160:59] effort. Chris, how would you describe
[161:01] the the scene there that you you just
[161:04] left? I would say up and down the
[161:05] Mississippi coast the situation is
[161:07] stabilizing Lou but it is very severe in
[161:09] certain pockets and that speaks to the
[161:12] uneven and I would say even confused at
[161:15] times even chaotic command and control
[161:17] situation that's on the ground. You have
[161:18] immense resources that we've been
[161:20] detailing for a week now flooding into
[161:22] the region now Mexico sending help.
[161:25] >> Absolutely. the you know we focus
[161:27] greatly because the the epicenter of
[161:29] this disaster uh is of course New
[161:32] Orleans where the greatest number of
[161:33] victims were uh where the greatest
[161:35] number of refugees were created nearly
[161:36] the entire population is now uh out of
[161:39] the city but the the entire Gulf Coast
[161:42] devastated. You're talking about an area
[161:43] that is 75 mi in length and in many
[161:47] places as far as 2 mi inland that is
[161:50] blown away, flattened or at best
[161:53] uninhabitable. It is an immense area and
[161:56] you think of trying to make sense and
[161:59] get systematic about an area that large
[162:01] that is the nature of the challenge that
[162:04] the response effort is facing and there
[162:06] are amazing efforts being made by these
[162:08] people but in many cases they are
[162:10] redundant they are without a mission
[162:12] literally we asked
[162:15] US naval officers what is your mission
[162:18] here and they didn't have a direct
[162:20] answer other than to say we're here to
[162:22] help but we don't know exactly what
[162:24] we'll be doing. Now, they are finding
[162:25] jobs. Don't get me wrong, these people
[162:26] are all willing to help. But the trouble
[162:28] is consistently from law enforcement
[162:31] coming in from out of state, civilians,
[162:33] >> volunteers,
[162:34] >> volunteers coming in from out of state.
[162:35] They're showing up and they're asking
[162:36] who's in charge. And that answer is
[162:39] often very delayed in coming. I'll give
[162:42] you a specific example that we were
[162:44] standing right next to uh a sheriff from
[162:46] Lancing, Michigan, and you see the
[162:48] insignia on the car. So, we flag these
[162:50] guys and we ask them what they're up to.
[162:52] advanced scout for a convoy of relief
[162:54] supplies trying to find out who they
[162:55] could report to and where they could set
[162:57] up. Encountered a Beluxy police officer,
[163:00] asked that question. The answer not
[163:02] immediately forthcoming. Not that it the
[163:04] answer doesn't exist, but they couldn't
[163:05] find the guy who knew where the other
[163:07] guy was, who was in charge. The most
[163:09] pointed thing that we encountered in
[163:11] terms of that speaks to to the
[163:13] disconnect that's happening throughout
[163:14] the region, FEMA came into a
[163:17] distribution center in Beluxy and
[163:21] basically Bigfooted the operation and
[163:22] said, "We want to run it and we want
[163:24] this to be the distribution center and
[163:26] people are going to come here." And the
[163:27] locals with local knowledge said, "Wait
[163:28] a minute. Folks can't get here. They
[163:31] can't We've got folks 5 miles away.
[163:33] They're not going to walk. We've got
[163:34] folks who have no gas. They can't drive.
[163:35] We need to go out to them. We know where
[163:37] they are." And there was an argument
[163:39] that we were told lasted the better part
[163:40] of a day about how that operation would
[163:42] distribute its goods.
[163:44] >> Well, that's a shame and hopefully we're
[163:46] beginning to see some considerable
[163:47] improvement in that. Uh certainly we've
[163:49] been able to report on substantial
[163:51] progress. Uh the shame is that uh the
[163:54] organization and as you put it, command
[163:55] and control has not been in place uh
[163:57] from uh even before the the strike by
[164:00] hurricane Katrina. Chris Huntington,
[164:02] thank you very much.
[164:04] Search teams are tonight stepping up
[164:06] their efforts to rescue abandoned pets
[164:08] in New Orleans as well. Rescue workers
[164:10] saying time is running out to save
[164:12] thousands of pets. Those pets have been
[164:14] without clean drinking water for more
[164:16] than a week without food. They say dogs
[164:18] are now roaming the streets in packs
[164:21] looking for food. Animal rights groups
[164:23] say pet rescuers were not allowed to
[164:25] begin their work in New Orleans until
[164:26] late Sunday. and they say rescue teams
[164:29] should have been able to move into the
[164:30] area much sooner to help save those cats
[164:33] and dogs. Still ahead here, the man who
[164:36] led New York City police during
[164:39] September 11th, a hero of September
[164:41] 11th. I'll be joined by the former New
[164:43] York City police commissioner, Bernard
[164:45] Kerry. We'll be discussing what the
[164:46] hurricane response tells him about our
[164:48] nation's disaster preparedness, also our
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[167:08] >> Lots of criticism tonight about the
[167:09] response to this hurricane at all levels
[167:11] of government. One major issue is
[167:13] whether we have enough troops to
[167:14] adequately respond to disasters. General
[167:16] David Graange joins me now to tell us in
[167:18] his judgment whether or not that is the
[167:20] case. General Grange, good to have you
[167:22] here. Is it or is it not a valid issue?
[167:27] >> It is a valid issue. When you're
[167:29] deployed around the world at the same
[167:31] time, you have a major troop requirement
[167:34] in your homeland. Insurance a concern
[167:37] and the troops are stretched thin, but
[167:40] there are enough troops available to
[167:42] handle disaster like this if they're
[167:44] employed correctly.
[167:46] >> Have they been in your judgment deployed
[167:48] correctly as you put it? Because this it
[167:50] took a long time by any anyone's
[167:53] imagination. I know we're going to have
[167:54] congressional hearings. We're going to
[167:55] have bipartisan hearings. The fact is
[167:57] this was not a superpower's response to
[167:59] a national natural disaster.
[168:01] >> I believe it's a it's a poor response.
[168:03] And I think the issue is you cannot
[168:05] force federal troops, as an example, on
[168:08] local government. You cannot force a
[168:10] governor to mobilize national guard. You
[168:13] cannot force uh neighbor states to send
[168:16] troops to another state unless that
[168:18] governor wants that. And so it really
[168:20] does come from the bottom up. And you
[168:22] need to prepare early. You need to be
[168:24] prudent on early decisions. General, you
[168:26] you acknowledge that that did play a
[168:28] part. Yet at the same time, we heard the
[168:30] defense secretary and the chairman of
[168:32] the joint chiefs of staff say not a
[168:35] problem. Why can't we get cander and
[168:37] directness in what is patently obvious
[168:39] to anyone?
[168:40] >> Well, it's a you know, this this mission
[168:42] is a national mission from from local,
[168:45] state, and and federal levels. And uh
[168:48] everybody needs to respond immediately
[168:50] and understand their role. And it is a
[168:52] disconnect between uh you you see a lack
[168:55] of cander I think all the way around and
[168:57] and that's really kind of shameful for
[168:59] the United States of America.
[169:01] >> All I can say is amen, brother. General
[169:03] Grange, thanks for being here.
[169:05] >> Thank you.
[169:05] >> Bernard Carrick is one of the heroes of
[169:07] 9/11. As New York's police commissioner,
[169:10] Bernie Carrick helped lead the response
[169:12] to the terrorist attack. A response that
[169:13] set a standard the city of New Orleans
[169:15] did not meet in the wake of Hurricane
[169:17] Katrina. So, how much responsibility
[169:20] should local and state officials have in
[169:21] such catastrophes? Bernie Carrick is
[169:24] with me now. Bernie, good to have you
[169:25] here.
[169:25] >> Thanks.
[169:26] >> Your reaction. There's great focus on
[169:28] FEMA director Michael Brown. Uh FEMA did
[169:31] not distinguish itself. The federal
[169:33] government has not distinguished itself,
[169:34] nor have the state and local
[169:35] governments, it seems to me, at least in
[169:37] the wake of this hurricane. What is your
[169:40] What are your thoughts?
[169:42] Well, I I guess I I would agree with the
[169:44] president in uh you know, in saying that
[169:47] the response was inadequate, uh if you
[169:50] will, um the federal response and and
[169:52] the president uh took action immediately
[169:55] to fix that. But I think the rest of the
[169:58] country, the entire country has to
[169:59] realize an event like this, the primary
[170:02] responsibility lies on the local and
[170:05] state government. People tend to forget.
[170:07] They keep saying, "Well, what about New
[170:09] York? What about 9/11? I was a municipal
[170:12] police commissioner. Rudy Giuliani was
[170:14] the mayor of New York City, but he was
[170:17] the leader. He was the manager. We need
[170:20] to manage an event like this. And we had
[170:23] that in New York City.
[170:24] >> What would have been your reaction? Uh
[170:26] reports that uh hundreds of New Orleans
[170:29] police officers simply ran from this
[170:32] this tragedy.
[170:33] >> Uh you know what, Lou? I I I would hope
[170:36] that wasn't the case. And I I don't know
[170:38] if that's that's a true statement or
[170:40] not. Uh we didn't see anything like that
[170:43] on September 11th. And uh and I got I
[170:45] got to give the the members of the New
[170:47] Orleans Police and Fire departments now
[170:49] that are out there working on a daily
[170:51] basis. Uh they've got a tremendous job
[170:53] to do, a difficult job to do. Um I I
[170:57] don't understand that. Uh you know, we
[170:58] had people uh in the hole at ground
[171:01] zero. Uh all the death and destruction
[171:04] at ground zero. There was a time the
[171:06] third day in I had to force Joe Dunn, my
[171:10] first deputy, uh Joe Espazito, my chief
[171:12] of department. I had to force them to go
[171:14] home for 4 hours to get some sleep. Um I
[171:18] I don't I don't I don't know if I'm
[171:21] hopefully that wasn't the case. Uh if it
[171:23] was, I I don't understand it.
[171:25] >> Did you ever think you would see uh
[171:28] Well, let's talk first about FEMA. uh
[171:31] Michael Brown been calls for his uh
[171:33] resignation or his firing. Uh how how
[171:36] much accountability should there be?
[171:38] >> Well, I think there has to be
[171:40] accountability all the way around. I
[171:41] mean, from the state, local and federal
[171:43] level. Uh and as somebody mentioned
[171:45] earlier, one of your guests said, you
[171:47] know, there'll be hearings. Take it from
[171:49] me, there will be hearings and people
[171:51] will Monday morning quarterback and
[171:53] judge this for the next 10 years. Uh I I
[171:57] think every aspect of this has to be
[171:59] looked at. FEMA, uh DHS, uh the federal
[172:02] response, state and local response,
[172:05] everything has to be looked at and then
[172:06] the people that's responsible will make
[172:08] the decisions uh appropriately uh as we
[172:11] would in New York City.
[172:13] >> Did you think you'd ever see something
[172:14] like this?
[172:16] >> Uh you know what, Lou, it's it's a it's
[172:18] a disaster that nobody uh thinks uh you
[172:21] would see. I mean the the the damage,
[172:24] the devastation, the death. Um you know,
[172:27] but it it demonstrates how important
[172:29] preparedness is in a post 911 world.
[172:33] Personally, my opinion, my opinion only,
[172:36] I think there were many, many things
[172:38] that could have been done to prevent
[172:40] this.
[172:42] >> Lauren Carrick, as always, straight
[172:44] talking. We thank you for being here.
[172:46] >> Thank you.
[172:47] Another major question tonight is what
[172:49] has been the impact on President Bush as
[172:52] a result of this disaster? We ask our
[172:54] senior political analyst Bill Snyder to
[172:56] take a look into this. And Bill, what
[172:58] have you found?
[172:59] >> We found a big hit for President Bush's
[173:01] image. Uh he's done what his father did.
[173:03] He went from a record high after 9/11 to
[173:06] record lows in his current job approval
[173:07] ratings. Uh and in particular, he's
[173:09] taken a hit in his image as a strong
[173:12] leader. That was very powerful after
[173:14] 9/11. And now Americans haven't seen
[173:16] much leadership just as Mr. Carrick
[173:18] said. There's also been a shift in the
[173:20] agenda. Uh Americans now give priority
[173:23] to domestic issues in over the war on
[173:25] terror for the first time since 9/11.
[173:28] And that's why Democrats are coming out
[173:30] with the new aggressiveness because
[173:32] they're saying this is our agenda now.
[173:36] Bill, this the fact is in these polls he
[173:40] is uh in the lowest point of in nearly
[173:43] every poll I think every poll in point
[173:45] of fact taken recently he's at the
[173:46] lowest point of his presidency. What
[173:48] does he do now?
[173:49] >> Well, what the president obviously has
[173:51] to show he's in charge. He has to get
[173:53] this situation turned around as quickly
[173:55] as possible and convince Americans that
[173:57] he's in charge. Instead, what we're
[173:58] seeing in Washington is very
[174:00] demoralizing. Both sides are saying we
[174:02] will not play the political blame game.
[174:04] We demand bipartisanship and what are
[174:06] they doing on both sides? They're
[174:08] blaming each other. What kind of sense
[174:10] does that make?
[174:11] >> Uh assuming that wasn't a rhetorical
[174:14] question, Bill, I will answer it. None
[174:16] whatsoever. Bill Snyder, thank you.
[174:18] >> Okay.
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[176:46] AAA says gasoline prices are falling
[176:48] again. They say the national average is
[176:50] now $3.3 a gallon. That's down just
[176:53] about a penny. And Americans all across
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[177:00] Bill Tucker has the story.
[177:03] The good news is that our energy
[177:05] infrastructure is recovering and
[177:07] gasoline prices are beginning to come
[177:09] down, but it may be a few weeks before
[177:11] consumers get some real relief at the
[177:13] pump.
[177:14] >> Prices will probably stabilize. They'll
[177:16] probably be at $3 or around three bucks
[177:19] for self-s serve. are going to let it
[177:21] for a while. I think before we get back
[177:24] to those pre- Katrina levels, it
[177:27] probably won't happen until around
[177:29] December or so. Um, I mean, that's sort
[177:32] of our our best kind of crystal ball
[177:34] sort of guess.
[177:35] >> More than half of the oil produced in
[177:37] the Gulf of Mexico remains out of
[177:39] production, while recovery of natural
[177:41] gas production is only slightly better.
[177:44] Six refineries in the region remain shut
[177:47] down with the biggest refinery,
[177:48] Chevron's Pascagula plant, not expected
[177:51] to be back up and producing for months.
[177:54] There is some hope that refineries in
[177:56] Norcco and St. Rose may return to
[177:58] production before the end of this week.
[178:01] Two of the shutdown refineries are back
[178:03] up and they're running in Convent,
[178:05] Louisiana and Sarland, Alabama. The
[178:08] bottom line is that it will cost more to
[178:10] keep warm this winter. Whether you heat
[178:13] with natural gas, electricity, or home
[178:15] heating oil, but the Energy Information
[178:17] Administration does expect gasoline
[178:20] prices to decline.
[178:22] >> Our medium recovery projection for
[178:24] gasoline is about uh 260 a gallon for
[178:28] the fourth quarter. Uh which uh sounds a
[178:31] lot by historical standards, but by the
[178:33] prices I saw today, many people would
[178:35] probably welcome that. Uh for next year
[178:38] we're looking at an average of about
[178:40] 240.
[178:42] >> Now who had ever thought that 240 a
[178:44] gallon would have sounded good. A lot of
[178:46] that scenario depends on how quickly
[178:47] those refineries can get back online.
[178:49] And Lou Chevron's Pascula plant is
[178:51] severely damaged and they don't know
[178:53] when that's coming back up.
[178:54] >> 240 a gallon. That sounds pretty
[178:56] optimistic right now. I think everybody
[178:58] in the country would sign up for it.
[178:59] Bill Tucker, thank you. Finally tonight,
[179:01] Pulitzer Prizewinning New York Times
[179:03] reporter Judith Miller has been in
[179:05] prison now for 64 days for protecting
[179:06] her confidential sources in the White
[179:08] House CIA leak case. Thanks for being
[179:11] with us tonight. Please join us here
[179:12] tomorrow. For all of us, good night from
[179:14] New York. A special edition of Anderson
[179:16] Cooper 360 starts right now. Anderson
[179:20] Lou, thanks very much. Good evening from
[179:21] New Orleans. All the latest breaking
[179:23] news on the disaster. Plus, no
[179:25] politicians, no bureaucrats, just
[179:27] heroes. People on the ground saving
[179:29] lives unaided and alone. It is 4 pm on
[179:32] the West Coast, 700 p.m. on the East,
[179:34] and 6 PM in the bleaguered but still
[179:37] surviving city of New Orleans. 360
[179:39] starts now.
[179:41] >> Tonight, Angels in the Storm, a special
[179:44] edition of Anderson Cooper 360.
[179:47] 10 days after Katrina, the Coast Guard
[179:49] and those brave guys dangling below the
[179:51] helicopters