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[0:12] From America's newsroom, I'm Paige

[0:14] Hopkins. A Pentagon review reportedly

[0:15] coming up with three options for how to

[0:18] proceed in Iraq. Fox News correspondent

[0:20] Molly Hannenburgg reports from

[0:22] Washington.

[0:24] President Bush says he's waiting on

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[0:27] he makes a decision about troop levels

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[0:50] option.

[0:51] >> We are not winning in Iraq. That's why

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[0:57] >> Democratic Senator Barack Obama doesn't

[0:59] like that idea. He says US troops should

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[1:04] >> For only through this phased

[1:06] redeployment can we send a clear message

[1:09] to the Iraqi factions that the United

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[1:13] this country indefinitely.

[1:15] >> And Republican Congressman Duncan Hunter

[1:17] has another option. Go Iraqi. send more

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[1:23] Washington, Molly Hennterburg, Fox News.

[1:26] >> And the next news breakak is at the top

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[4:15] >> And thanks for staying with us. I'm

[4:16] Laura Ingram reporting for Bill

[4:18] O'Reilly. And in the unresolved problem

[4:20] segment tonight, a new book called The

[4:23] Truth About Muhammad, founder of the

[4:26] world's most intolerant religion, claims

[4:28] that we need to stop insisting that

[4:30] Islam is a peaceful religion and

[4:32] recognized that it has urged its

[4:35] followers to commit acts of violence and

[4:37] terror for,400 years. The book has

[4:40] caused a huge controversy in the Muslim

[4:43] community. Robert Spencer, the author of

[4:45] the book, joins us now. And from Los

[4:47] Angeles, Adena Leovich, who's the

[4:50] communications director for the Muslim

[4:52] Public Affairs Council. Robert and

[4:54] Adena, thanks for joining us.

[4:56] >> Thank you.

[4:57] >> Robert, uh, let's start with you. Um,

[5:00] aren't you helping some of these groups

[5:02] that you think are fermenting, uh,

[5:04] disruption and violence by titling your

[5:07] book something as controversial as

[5:09] you're titling it, truth about Muhammad,

[5:11] the world's most into Intolerant

[5:12] Religion. I mean, I can see that CARE,

[5:14] Council on American Islamic Relations,

[5:16] would love to hold up your book as an

[5:18] example of intolerant American points of

[5:21] view.

[5:22] >> Well, you know, Laura, actually, it's

[5:23] just the opposite. When it comes to

[5:25] intolerance, the intolerance I'm

[5:27] speaking about was exemplified by the

[5:29] reaction to the Pope's words, by the

[5:32] murders and riots over the cartoons of

[5:34] Muhammad in Denmark and so on. And what

[5:36] I intended to do with this book and what

[5:38] I hope it will still accomplish is a

[5:40] public debate about the elements of

[5:41] Islam that give rise to behavior like

[5:43] that and that is an invitation to

[5:46] moderate and peaceful Muslims to discuss

[5:49] those elements and to try to come to

[5:50] some positive way to deal with them.

[5:52] >> So I think the way some of your book has

[5:53] been characterized is that you don't

[5:56] think Islam can ever be a peaceful

[5:58] religion. Would you say that's

[6:00] inaccurate?

[6:00] >> I don't think that I'm not saying that

[6:01] anything can ever be anything. I'm

[6:04] saying that is in within the Islamic

[6:06] tradition and the teachings of Muhammad,

[6:08] there are elements that the jihad

[6:10] terrorists themselves point to to

[6:12] justify what they're doing and make

[6:13] recruits among peaceful Muslims and that

[6:16] those peaceful Muslims have to stand up

[6:17] to that and work to reform to address

[6:19] those elements in particular.

[6:21] >> Adena, one thing that continues to come

[6:23] up on my radio show is this question.

[6:27] Where are all the moderate Muslims? Why

[6:30] don't they speak out as uh viciferously

[6:33] against acts of terrorism and brutal

[6:36] violence within uh the Muslim community

[6:39] as they do, let's say, against, as

[6:41] Robert said, the Pope's comments where

[6:43] suddenly you had all these Muslim

[6:45] scholars and clerics out there

[6:46] condemning the pope.

[6:48] >> Yeah. But Laura, the reality is that the

[6:50] moderate Muslims are standing up. They

[6:51] are jumping up and down screaming

[6:53] against terrorism. They are in mosques.

[6:56] They are in community centers. We need

[6:57] to hear their own. And you're absolutely

[6:59] right. We do need to hear them. And and

[7:01] the fact is that the media needs to

[7:02] search out those voices rather than

[7:05] claiming that as Robert Spencer does

[7:07] that any so-called moderate, the only

[7:09] good moderate or the only good Muslim is

[7:11] a former Muslim. The the kinds of

[7:13] accusations that are placed even against

[7:15] moderate Muslims who are doing the hard

[7:17] work inside of their mosques in order to

[7:19] promote the true message of Islam, which

[7:21] is one that upholds peace, justice,

[7:23] mutual understanding, equality, mercy.

[7:26] These are the teachings that Islam

[7:28] teaches. And these are the teachings

[7:29] that have inspired um not terrorists but

[7:31] that have inspired Nobel Peace Prize

[7:33] winners like Muhammad Alberiday, like

[7:35] Muhammad Eunice. And Dina, one thing

[7:38] that also keeps coming up is this

[7:40] speaking out against intolerance in the

[7:42] United States, whether u Muslims or

[7:45] Arabs say they're being profiled. You

[7:46] hear that quite a bit, but you don't

[7:48] often hear Muslims in the United States

[7:51] condemning again viciferously, loudly on

[7:53] television, on radio, uh what's

[7:55] happening in Saudi Arabia. Christians

[7:57] can't proitize in Saudi Arabia, but

[7:59] Muslims can certainly proitize in the

[8:01] United States. They're not thrown in

[8:03] jail.

[8:03] >> If we paid more attention to the

[8:05] authentic discourse that was that is

[8:06] taking place every day within the

[8:08] mainstream American Muslim community,

[8:09] you would see that. But instead, when we

[8:11] when we turn our cameras towards those

[8:13] people who are uh who are jumping up and

[8:15] down in the streets, of course, we're

[8:16] not going to hear them. If a tree falls

[8:18] in the forest and no one's there to see

[8:20] it, you know, it's the age-old thing.

[8:21] But let me ask this happening every day.

[8:24] American Muslim scholars have issued a

[8:26] fetwa against

[8:27] >> Adena let me just get this straight.

[8:28] You're saying that it's the media's

[8:30] fault that

[8:31] >> No, it's only there is no one person

[8:33] that is to blame and Muslims need to be

[8:36] doing more and mainstream society and

[8:38] decision makers need more

[8:40] >> to me there there is no doubt that when

[8:43] the pope speaks out

[8:45] >> it's publicized there are plenty of

[8:46] people out there and he's just condemned

[8:49] >> and Robert I don't see that when it

[8:51] comes to the beheadings the

[8:53] brutalization what's happened when

[8:55] someone's watching World Cup in Africa

[8:57] they're brutally murdered a priest doing

[8:59] mass. I don't hear those classes clash

[9:01] of civilization updates.

[9:02] >> No, you're absolutely right. It's this,

[9:04] you know, there were worldwide

[9:05] demonstrations, riots, innocent people

[9:08] murdered about the Pope's remarks and

[9:10] about the cartoons and there are other

[9:11] incidents as well, but you don't see

[9:13] worldwide demonstrations burning Osama

[9:15] bin Laden and effigy. Uh you don't see

[9:17] worldwide repudiation of the ideology of

[9:20] jihad that comes from the words and

[9:22] deeds of Muhammad. And this is what we

[9:24] desperately need to see if there's ever

[9:25] going to be peaceful coexistence on an

[9:28] indefinite basis between Muslims and

[9:29] non-Muslims as equals.

[9:31] >> Adena, let me just ask ask a question.

[9:34] And you are a moderate Muslim voice and

[9:37] you are speaking out and I applaud that.

[9:38] I think it's amazing. I try to showcase

[9:41] as many Muslims speaking out against

[9:43] this on my own show as I can find. And

[9:45] believe me, sometimes it's hard to find

[9:46] them, but I do find them.

[9:49] One thing that one thing that keeps

[9:50] coming up is proilitizing whether it's

[9:54] whether Muslims will ever sort of enter

[9:56] this uh enter this ring if you can put

[9:59] it that way of people in this country

[10:00] who are always trying to convert each

[10:02] other. You know, Catholics are trying to

[10:04] convert Protestants, Protestants,

[10:06] Catholics, but Muslims really seem to

[10:08] have a problem when Christians try to

[10:09] convert them. Do you do you see that?

[10:12] >> Well, there is no mandate. I mean, you

[10:13] have to look at it this way. Muslims uh

[10:15] as they're ordered by the Quran are not

[10:17] to um work on or do missionary work.

[10:19] They're instead supposed to make people

[10:21] aware of what the religion teaches. So

[10:23] the idea of you know of compelling

[10:25] others to join one faith or another goes

[10:28] >> what's going on in our prisons if it's

[10:30] not if it's not Muslim recruitment. I I

[10:32] don't get that. Robert, we got to give

[10:34] Robert the last word on that. Yeah,

[10:35] there's a there's a tremendous

[10:36] proitization effort and in America's

[10:39] prisons actually that's going on by the

[10:41] most radical elements that are trying to

[10:42] turn the alienation that the prisoners

[10:44] already feel to channel it toward jihad

[10:47] terrorism. Muhammad himself taught that

[10:49] unbelievers should be offered conversion

[10:51] or subjugation or war. Those are the

[10:53] only things

[10:53] >> that is false. That is absolutely false

[10:56] understanding and inclusion. No. And you

[10:58] have to look the I am reading the Quran

[11:01] right now 29.

[11:03] The only solution to this problem seems

[11:05] to be to drive all Muslims into the

[11:07] ocean.

[11:08] >> Well, that's certainly not what I've

[11:09] never said anything like that.

[11:10] >> That's certainly not what my website

[11:12] these people resort to.

[11:13] >> Well, we're going to continue this at

[11:14] another time. Miss Luckovich, Mr.

[11:16] Spencer, thank you for joining us. And

[11:18] coming up, an evangelical student group

[11:20] at Brown University says they were

[11:22] suspended from campus without any real

[11:24] explanation. We'll get into all of that

[11:26] coming up next.

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[14:47] evangelical student group from

[14:49] advertising or meeting on campus. And

[14:52] that's not sitting well with the

[14:53] organization. Joining us in Philadelphia

[14:56] is Greg Luciv, the president of the

[14:58] Foundation for Individual Rights in

[15:01] Education, which is representing the

[15:03] student group. Greg, good to have you

[15:04] with us.

[15:05] >> Thank you so much for having us, Laura.

[15:06] Now, Greg, the university released a

[15:08] statement, Brown University, saying that

[15:10] they recognize a number of Christian

[15:13] groups in that there has to be some

[15:15] misunderstanding with this particular

[15:17] evangelical group. What's going on here?

[15:20] >> Well, I mean, to to us, it looks like

[15:21] just another case of an evangelical

[15:23] Christian group getting a raw deal on

[15:24] campus. And universities come up with

[15:26] all sorts of excuses for, you know, why

[15:28] they actually do show religious

[15:29] tolerance towards all these other

[15:31] groups. But we've seen literally dozens

[15:32] and dozens of cases for the the truly

[15:35] devoutly religious Christians on campus

[15:36] getting treated like secondass citizens

[15:38] in school after school.

[15:40] >> Now, is it because this particular

[15:42] evangelical student group is out there

[15:46] trying to convert people and really

[15:47] activists on campus? I'm just trying to

[15:49] figure out what exactly they're doing

[15:51] that Brown University is really bugged

[15:53] by other than kind of being good.

[15:54] >> As are we. The university has offered

[15:56] three reasons. Uh mo two of them are

[15:59] essentially incoherent. The third reason

[16:01] they they said was that there had a

[16:03] leadership culture of contempt and

[16:05] dishonesty. But I've looked at

[16:06] practically every communication that

[16:07] they've had with the university and the

[16:09] the the students are have been very

[16:11] polite and that the university is the

[16:12] one showing contempt towards them. So we

[16:14] don't know really why they haven't been

[16:17] recognized. Um but we have seen a

[16:18] pattern at university campuses where uh

[16:21] students who are deeply religious have

[16:23] been treated very unfairly. I mean at

[16:25] Indian River College students were told

[16:27] that they couldn't watch the passion of

[16:28] the Christ. At University of Wisconsin,

[16:30] the University of Wisconsin system, RAs

[16:32] were told that they couldn't have Bible

[16:33] study meetings in their own time, in

[16:35] their own rooms because it might make

[16:36] them unapproachable to other students.

[16:39] And students all across the country are

[16:40] being told all the time, religious uh

[16:43] student groups that Christian groups

[16:44] that they can't quote unquote

[16:45] discriminate against non-Christians in

[16:48] their Christian group.

[16:49] >> Yeah. This is all like a bad flashback

[16:51] to my uh my years in the mid1 1980s at

[16:54] Dartmouth College when you know we were

[16:55] a conservative student newspaper and we

[16:58] actually made a decision Greg not to

[17:00] have formal recognition by the college

[17:02] because the problem is when the college

[17:04] recognizes you the college can

[17:06] drecognize you and they can have some

[17:08] influence over your activities. So have

[17:10] you considered just urging some of these

[17:12] student groups to say we don't need you.

[17:14] We're we're students. We have rights to

[17:16] speak out and we're going to continue to

[17:17] speak out. Actually, no. But we haven't

[17:20] because rec what recognition means has

[17:22] gotten more and more intense over the

[17:23] years. And in this case, for example,

[17:25] they're not allowed to meet on campus.

[17:27] They're not allowed to use a stapler.

[17:28] They're not allowed to use a copier

[17:30] according to the students. Essentially,

[17:31] being drecognized is is like being

[17:33] banned on most college campuses.

[17:35] >> So, they'd have to meet like they'd have

[17:36] to meet off-campus in some off-campus

[17:38] office. And, you know, we we published

[17:40] off campus, so we yeah, we published off

[17:43] campus, so we just we didn't care about

[17:44] that. But I think, you know, I I haven't

[17:47] heard of any Muslim student groups

[17:48] getting kicked off campus and I haven't

[17:51] had a couple cases of that.

[17:52] >> Well, that that's a problem too then.

[17:54] So, it's it knows no religious

[17:56] boundaries. Yeah. Well,

[17:57] >> yep. Well, I mean, FIRE's whole point is

[17:59] we just want this group treated like

[18:00] every every other student on campus.

[18:03] >> Yeah. Well,

[18:03] >> they should be recognized. They should

[18:04] have the same rights.

[18:06] >> Well, Mr. Luciana, we appreciate you're

[18:08] joining us. We're going to be following

[18:09] the Brown University situation very

[18:11] closely. And I have a prediction. I have

[18:14] a prediction your evangelical group is

[18:16] going to get re-recognized within the

[18:18] next, let's say, 48 hours. Uh, thanks

[18:20] for joining us.

[18:20] >> I certainly hope so. Thank you, Laura.

[18:21] >> All right. Thank you. And next, did the

[18:23] Animal House culture of the 1970s help

[18:25] create the wild and crazy environment on

[18:28] some college campuses today? All coming

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[21:45] >> And in the back of the book segment

[21:47] tonight, it was a movie that spawned a

[21:49] generation of rowdy and racy frat boys.

[21:53] But the guy considered for the

[21:55] inspiration for Animal House says his

[21:57] real life antics at Dartmouth were far

[22:00] worse than what actually made it onto

[22:02] the big screen. Chris Miller co-wrote

[22:04] the 1978 smash movie and he's the author

[22:07] of the brand new book The Real Animal

[22:10] House. He recently spoke to Bill.

[22:14] >> Mr. Mr. Miller, you're a Dartmouth guy

[22:15] and all the high jinks that we saw in

[22:18] the movies in Animal House, you actually

[22:20] did a lot of those stuff uh way back

[22:22] when in Dartmouth. Um, was it imbalance

[22:26] looking back? Was it a good thing for

[22:29] you to do all that?

[22:31] >> It was a fabulous experience for me,

[22:33] Bill. Uh, I never had so much fun in my

[22:35] life as I did then. I GIVE

[22:45] AWAY.

[22:47] >> SORRY. I think that's part of the point

[22:49] is that uh the kind of guys that go to

[22:52] Dartmouth live in fairly straight home

[22:54] situations and then when they get out in

[22:55] the world after Dartmouth, they're going

[22:57] to be married and then a corporation or

[22:59] something and this is their shot.

[23:02] >> Their shot to be wild and crazy. And

[23:04] when you watch the uh Animal House movie

[23:06] with Belushi and the boys, I mean, it's

[23:08] all good fun. It's not a malicious

[23:10] thing. It's hilarious. But since that

[23:13] time, as you know, there've been a lot

[23:15] of problems with frats and hazing and

[23:17] all of that. And I'm saying to myself,

[23:19] is this a good thing or not for America?

[23:22] >> It's been going on in America for an

[23:23] awfully long time. One big difference

[23:25] between what happened to Dartmouth in

[23:27] 1960 and what is going on now is that we

[23:29] were essentially a beer culture. And you

[23:32] can only get so crazy on beer. But I

[23:35] think now it's alcohol and drugs and

[23:37] everything else. And I think that

[23:39] creates a whole new

[23:40] >> Yeah. As everything in our society, the

[23:42] limits have been pushed. You look at the

[23:43] Duke rape case, uh, where they hired the

[23:46] strippers. But, you know, the Dartmouth

[23:47] guys would hire strippers in a heartbeat

[23:49] if they could get the money up. I don't

[23:50] know if there are any strippers up there

[23:52] in New Hampshire. That's what I was

[23:54] wondering.

[23:55] >> The boundaries in society have have

[23:57] really, really shifted into an area now

[24:00] where it was hazing. when you guys were

[24:02] there.

[24:03] >> Thank you, sir. May I have another?

[24:05] >> Now they're making people have sex on

[24:08] buses and and all of this other

[24:09] business. And I'm I'm going to myself, I

[24:12] don't know whether this whole culture,

[24:14] this whole frat house, Animal Health

[24:16] culture is good anymore.

[24:17] >> WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED

[24:19] PEARL HARBOR?

[24:20] >> HELL NO.

[24:22] >> GERMAN, forget it. He's rolling.

[24:24] >> Why is Animal House the movie held up?

[24:27] uh because it's as funny now as it was

[24:28] when it came out almost 30 years ago.

[24:33] >> It's about a struggle that every person

[24:35] has in their own soul between the id

[24:38] which would like to go nuts and act like

[24:39] Bluto and the other parts of ourselves

[24:42] that are saying no no you you know

[24:44] better.

[24:44] >> There were no other parts except one guy

[24:46] in Animal House who you said don't don't

[24:48] do that don't do that and then of course

[24:50] he was doing it. Uh, you wrote that

[24:52] movie or at least uh part of the movie

[24:53] uh with Ramos. Doug Kenny and I are the

[24:56] authors of that thing.

[24:58] >> Do you still get money from that thing?

[25:00] >> We see a little dough every once in a

[25:01] while. Yeah.

[25:02] >> You guys playing cards?

[25:05] >> You made it pay off for you in a

[25:08] monetary way. Not only were you make a

[25:10] complete fool out of yourself and did

[25:13] all that stuff, but you made it pay.

[25:14] I'll give you the last word on it.

[25:16] >> Well, yeah. They say if you can make a

[25:18] living doing what you learned in

[25:19] college, that's pretty good. So, I guess

[25:20] I did.

[25:22] >> What a great movie. And that's it for us

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