Face the Nation (CBS) - 2009-02-22
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[0:00] Today on Face the Nation, President
[0:02] Obama's mortgage bailout plan. Who will
[0:05] it actually help? And bailing out the
[0:08] states. Will governors take the stimulus
[0:10] money and will it help them to solve
[0:13] their deficit problems? President Obama
[0:16] came out with a multi-billion dollar
[0:18] foreclosure bailout plan last week, and
[0:21] a lot of people who can't afford their
[0:23] mortgages are wondering if it will help
[0:25] them. Who does get the money and why?
[0:28] We'll ask Housing Secretary Shawn
[0:30] Donovan. Then we'll turn to the states
[0:33] and the stimulus package. Some
[0:35] Republican governors say they'll pick
[0:36] and choose what money to take. We'll
[0:39] talk with three governors about where
[0:42] they stand. Republican Mitch Daniels of
[0:45] Indiana, Democrat John Cororsine of New
[0:48] Jersey, and Democrat Ted Strickland of
[0:50] Ohio. I'll have a final word on
[0:53] something else to worry about, Mexico.
[0:56] But first, the mortgage bailout. Who
[0:59] gets the money on Face the Nation.
[1:10] Face the Nation with CBS News Chief
[1:12] Washington correspondent Bob Schiffer.
[1:15] And now from CBS News in Washington, Bob
[1:18] Schaefer.
[1:20] >> And good morning again. We start with
[1:22] the housing secretary Shawn Donovan
[1:24] who's just new to Washington and but has
[1:27] been dealing with housing problems for a
[1:29] long long time. He used to work for
[1:30] Mayor Bloomberg uh in New York among
[1:32] other things. Mr. Secretary, thank you
[1:34] for coming. Let's just get right to it.
[1:36] Uh the president unveiled this plan. It
[1:39] is designed to help people who are
[1:41] having trouble with their with their
[1:42] mortgages. It actually provides
[1:44] subsidies to people who don't have much
[1:46] equity in their homes. But there was a
[1:49] storm of criticism almost immediately
[1:52] people uh began to say and it spread
[1:55] across the internet. Why should people
[1:57] who made bad judgments why why should
[2:00] people who made loans they knew they
[2:02] couldn't afford? Why should I now be
[2:05] subsidizing them when I have played by
[2:08] the rules made a mortgage made a loan
[2:10] that I could afford? Uh why should it be
[2:13] up to me to subsidize these people? So
[2:15] let's start with that. What's why should
[2:18] other people be subsidizing these people
[2:20] who made bad judgments and bad
[2:22] decisions?
[2:23] >> Well, first of all, what I want to say
[2:25] and and the president made this very
[2:26] clear on Wednesday in Phoenix is that we
[2:29] have designed this plan to make sure
[2:31] that the folks who did take advantage of
[2:34] people, whether it was lenders or
[2:36] speculators or flippers, that they're
[2:38] not eligible for this plan. Um, only
[2:41] owner occupants uh who live in their
[2:43] homes are eligible. And we're going to
[2:46] make very sure by checking incomes, by
[2:49] verifying, we're not going to have any
[2:51] more of these liar loans where you
[2:53] didn't even have to present your income
[2:54] or you could easily present income that
[2:56] wasn't checked. We're going to have a
[2:58] very strict program to make sure that
[3:00] people who participate are what they say
[3:02] they are. And we're not going to benefit
[3:04] those who took advantage before.
[3:06] >> But why is this fair to people who have
[3:09] played by the rules? What's in it for
[3:10] them? Well, and I'm glad you asked that
[3:13] question because I think there's been a
[3:14] lot of focus on a piece of the plan, but
[3:17] without either reading or looking at the
[3:19] broad plan. There are three parts to the
[3:20] plan. First, the largest and in many
[3:23] ways the most important part of the plan
[3:25] is up to $200 billion that will help
[3:28] keep mortgage rates low in this country
[3:30] for everyone. Today, we have mortgage
[3:32] rates because of actions that the Obama
[3:34] administration has taken that are as low
[3:36] as we've had in a generation. We have to
[3:39] keep those mortgage rates low because
[3:41] anybody who's got good credit who wants
[3:43] to go out and buy a new home or
[3:45] refinance, they benefit by having those
[3:47] low mortgage rates. That's the biggest
[3:49] most important part of
[3:50] >> And that's money you're going to funnel
[3:51] into Fanny May and Freddy.
[3:53] >> It's a backs stop to Fanny May and
[3:55] Freddy Mack who today are responsible
[3:57] for about twothirds of of all mortgages
[3:59] that get made in the United States. So
[4:01] it's critically important. We have we
[4:03] have a longer term discussion to have
[4:05] about what we need to do with Fanny May
[4:07] and Freddy Mack. There were plenty of
[4:08] mistakes made in the past, but right now
[4:10] to get us out of this current crisis, we
[4:12] need low interest rates. There's broad
[4:14] bipartisan agreement on that, and this
[4:16] is a way to do that. So, that's the
[4:17] first part of the plan, and that
[4:19] benefits everyone. The second part of
[4:21] the plan is we're going to allow folks
[4:23] who are playing by the rules, who have
[4:25] made every payment, um, but are
[4:27] underwater because, uh, housing values
[4:30] in their neighborhoods have declined to
[4:32] refinance. Today they may be holding a
[4:34] seven or eight% mortgage rate and they
[4:36] can't benefit from today's 5% rates.
[4:38] Again, they've played by the rule rules.
[4:40] Only people who are current on their
[4:42] mortgage can qualify for that
[4:44] refinancing. And then the third part of
[4:46] the plan is our modification plan.
[4:49] That's $75 billion. And that is the one
[4:52] directed at people who are struggling
[4:54] the most. But let's be clear, this may
[4:56] have started as a mortgage crisis, but
[4:59] today what's really driving foreclosures
[5:01] is people losing their jobs, uh, not
[5:04] being able to pay for their health care.
[5:05] We have millions of families across this
[5:07] country, through no fault of their own,
[5:09] that are in trouble on their mortgages.
[5:11] We're going to stop speculators from
[5:12] getting in the plan, but we've got to
[5:14] make sure that folks who have played by
[5:16] the rules and are struggling can get
[5:18] some help. And by the way, let's
[5:20] remember that every time there's a
[5:22] foreclosure, a nextoor neighbor loses
[5:25] value in their house, too. This plan, if
[5:27] we don't move forward with it, we think
[5:29] we'll see an additional $6,000 drop on
[5:32] average in every single homeowner's
[5:34] house in America. So, this benefits by
[5:37] stopping foreclosures, this benefits
[5:39] everyone.
[5:39] >> Do you have any idea how many
[5:41] foreclosures you can forstall with this?
[5:44] Um well, our estimate is that with if we
[5:47] take no action today, we've got about
[5:49] six million foreclosures coming over the
[5:51] next three years. We had 2.2 million
[5:53] last year. We're looking at a at a rate
[5:56] this year of close to 3 million
[5:57] foreclosures this year alone. So, the
[6:00] problem is getting worse. 45% of all
[6:04] sales of homes in the US in December
[6:06] were distressed sales, and that's just
[6:08] pushing pushing values lower. So, we
[6:10] think we can stop with this plan um with
[6:13] just the modification portion 3 to 4
[6:15] million foreclosures. We're not going to
[6:17] save everybody, but we can save the
[6:19] folks who are willing to keep paying and
[6:21] work hard. And in addition to that, we
[6:23] can help between four and 5 million
[6:25] homeowners who are underwater, but are
[6:27] current on their mortgage. They're doing
[6:29] everything right and playing by the
[6:30] rules. We can help four to five million
[6:32] of those refinance as well to lower
[6:34] rates. On average, they'll save $2,600 a
[6:37] year. Let me just ask you this because
[6:38] as I understand the plan, you will help
[6:41] people who the value of their house uh
[6:43] has gone down and they suddenly find
[6:45] they owe more on their mortgage uh than
[6:48] the house is worth, but only uh to a
[6:51] certain point. It's my understanding
[6:53] that it would be just slightly under uh
[6:57] what the mortgage is worth. Now, those
[6:59] are the people you could help, but
[7:00] people who have seen a huge drop in how
[7:03] much their house is worth, this plan
[7:04] won't help them. Now, why not? Well, um,
[7:07] and I'm I'm glad you asked that question
[7:08] because there has been some confusion
[7:10] about that. The refinancing part of our
[7:12] plan is for people who are between about
[7:16] 80% and 105% uh, loan to value. What
[7:19] that means is their mortgage is
[7:21] somewhere between 80% of the value of
[7:23] their house and 105%.
[7:25] The folks who are more deeply underwater
[7:27] than that, let's say they've got a house
[7:29] that's worth $200,000 and they've got a
[7:31] mortgage that's $250,000 or more. The
[7:34] truth is just a refinancing isn't really
[7:36] going to going to help them. Those are
[7:38] the folks who are eligible if they're
[7:41] going to make their payments uh for our
[7:43] modification program where we will bring
[7:45] down the the payment to an affordable
[7:48] level. So the three different aspects of
[7:50] the plan work together to reach everyone
[7:52] who we think is deserving and needs
[7:54] help. Today
[7:55] >> you're also talking about encouraging
[7:57] Congress to allow a bankruptcy referee
[8:01] to actually modify u a mortgage which is
[8:05] something they haven't been able to do.
[8:07] In other words, you'd reduce the amount
[8:09] of money that the person owes. Isn't
[8:11] that going to discourage lenders uh from
[8:14] making more loans? Well, you know, the
[8:16] interesting thing about this, Bob, is
[8:18] that today, if you have a second home,
[8:21] uh, or a a vacation home, uh, if you've
[8:25] got multiple homes, that those homes th
[8:28] the debts can be modified in
[8:30] foreclosure. It's only for people who
[8:32] have one home and are living in trouble
[8:35] where you can't have a modification of
[8:37] that loan in bankruptcy. So, as the
[8:39] president said in Phoenix, this is just
[8:41] an issue of of fairness, but we also
[8:43] have to do it right to make sure that we
[8:45] don't hurt hurt the mortgage market. And
[8:47] what we've proposed and we're working
[8:48] with Congress on is a modification for
[8:51] loans that are in existence now, the
[8:54] ones that have caused all the trouble.
[8:56] We're not talking about applying this to
[8:57] loans going forward. And we think doing
[8:59] that means that it's not going to affect
[9:02] in any significant way mortgages in the
[9:04] future. It won't hurt the mortgage
[9:06] market. at this point think the Congress
[9:08] will go along with that.
[9:09] >> Um, we're in discussions and there seems
[9:11] to be growing consensus that this is an
[9:13] important part of the solution. I want
[9:14] to be clear though as well. We don't
[9:16] think that bankruptcy court is the
[9:18] answer to the problem. We think and
[9:21] that's why we announced an aggressive
[9:22] plan this week to modify loans. We think
[9:25] we've got to get these things worked out
[9:27] before they ever get to bankruptcy. That
[9:29] that that's just a last resort.
[9:31] >> All right, Mr. Secretary, want to wish
[9:32] you the very best. I think everybody
[9:34] hopes that you're going to succeed on
[9:36] this. Thanks so much for coming. We'll
[9:38] be back to talk with some governors in
[9:40] just one minute.
[9:51] And we're back now with New Jersey
[9:54] Governor John Cororsine, Ohio Governor
[9:56] Ted Strickland, and with us from
[9:58] Columbus, Ohio this morning, Governor
[10:00] Mitch Daniels of Indiana. He is in
[10:02] Columbus because the state airplane got
[10:05] a crack in the windshield this morning.
[10:07] They had to make a landing in Ohio and
[10:09] through the courtesy and the uh
[10:11] expertise of the new of the Ohio uh
[10:15] highway patrol, we got him to Columbus
[10:16] into the studio there. So uh uh
[10:19] Governor, we're glad you're there with
[10:20] us and uh so we'll start from there. I
[10:23] want to start with Governor Cororsine
[10:25] because the numbers from your state uh
[10:27] governor give us an idea just how
[10:29] serious the problems are that governors
[10:32] are facing these days. Uh you expected
[10:35] your state sales tax to bring in 8.6
[10:37] billion I believe and it looks like it's
[10:40] going to be about 653 million short of
[10:42] that. State income tax is going to fall
[10:46] 145 billion short of expectations.
[10:49] >> 145 million, not billionaire. Is that a
[10:52] real problem?
[10:54] >> 1 billion45 million and you're facing a
[10:57] $2.8 billion drop in budget revenue,
[11:00] which just gives people an idea of what
[11:02] a sour economy will do.
[11:04] >> That's about eight or nine% off of what
[11:06] we thought we were going to have.
[11:07] >> Yeah. So, you're going to get some money
[11:09] in the uh president's stimulus package.
[11:12] I take it that New Jerseyy's going to
[11:13] take the money. I think we'll probably
[11:15] uh take that and make sure that we're
[11:17] educating our kids and providing health
[11:19] care uh as best we possibly can to the
[11:22] citizens of New Jersey. I think the
[11:24] president has done the right thing. Uh I
[11:26] think it saves jobs. I think uh some of
[11:29] the other expenditures that are a part
[11:32] of the program on uh highways and
[11:35] bridges and the energy infrastructure of
[11:37] the country, I think we're going to
[11:39] create a lot of jobs about a 100,000 in
[11:41] New Jersey uh out of that program.
[11:44] Combined with the things that we're
[11:45] already doing in the state with regard
[11:47] to our infrastructure and schools, I
[11:51] think it's actually going to make a big
[11:52] difference in the economy. Governor
[11:53] Strickland, you got some big troubles
[11:55] out there in Ohio, especially
[11:57] unemployment. Uh I take it you're going
[11:59] to accept the stimulus money.
[12:00] >> Absolutely. Uh I I believe Ohio is going
[12:03] to get about $ 8.2 billion out of this
[12:06] package. Uh we will use those resources
[12:09] to make sure that college tuition
[12:10] doesn't explode, that we are continuing
[12:13] to invest in elementary and secondary
[12:15] education to provide quality child care
[12:17] for our kids. Um, we need these
[12:20] resources and I'm I'm very happy that
[12:23] the Congress uh and and the president is
[12:25] providing this resource to our states.
[12:28] Um, you know, this is a very unusual
[12:31] time in the history of of Ohio and in
[12:34] the history of the country and um this
[12:37] is not a normal economic up and down
[12:39] cycle that we're seeing. It's historic,
[12:42] unprecedented, and I think it's
[12:44] necessary and appropriate that the
[12:47] administration and the Congress is
[12:48] helping us out in these ways.
[12:50] >> Governor Daniels, I guess one new
[12:52] expense you've got out there in Indiana,
[12:54] of course, is you got to get the state
[12:56] airplane fixed. That'd be But you are in
[12:59] >> It's not just a job, it's an adventure.
[13:01] >> There you go. You're in a much different
[13:03] position than some of these governors
[13:05] are because you actually have a balanced
[13:08] budget out there in Indiana. But I take
[13:10] it uh that might not last long because
[13:13] unemployment uh is is just ballooned out
[13:16] there in recent months has it not? So I
[13:18] take it you will be one of those uh
[13:21] taking the stimulus money.
[13:24] >> Sure we will. Yeah we are in a little
[13:26] different situation. Um we've come
[13:28] actually from we were bankrupt when
[13:30] times were good have come to a position
[13:32] of all debts paid and budgets balanced
[13:34] and a pretty strong reserve. But it
[13:37] won't last if the erosion of the economy
[13:40] continues uh at the present rate. So we
[13:43] will take it. We will try to spend it
[13:45] prudently and wisely. Um in our case,
[13:48] we'll try to invest it for the future of
[13:50] our state. Uh we don't have the holes to
[13:52] fill that other states do, but that
[13:54] doesn't mean that we can't I hope use it
[13:57] to leave permanent assets behind whether
[13:59] they're um roads and bridges or better
[14:02] prepared teachers so that we're a
[14:04] stronger Indiana when this is over.
[14:06] Governor, let me ask you, do you find it
[14:08] somewhat hypocritical that some of the
[14:10] Republican governors, I know Haley
[14:12] Barber down in Mississippi, Bobby Gendle
[14:14] in Louisiana, just to name two, are
[14:17] saying that they uh they're opposed to
[14:20] this and they don't want this money. Uh
[14:23] so they're at least saying they don't
[14:25] want it, but some other governors are
[14:27] saying, "Well, we're opposed to it, but
[14:29] uh we're going to take the money
[14:30] anyway." uh what's going on on that?
[14:35] Well, first of all, I've studiously
[14:36] stayed out of the debate about the
[14:39] merits or demmerits of this package. I
[14:42] think my job is simply to use these
[14:44] funds, which are a fact of life for the
[14:46] best interest of our state and its
[14:48] future. But, you know, out of let's have
[14:50] some respect out of fairness for a very
[14:52] legitimate point of view. There are some
[14:54] very legitimate concerns about this
[14:56] bill. Um, and it's u massive amounts of
[14:59] spending on things that have nothing to
[15:01] do with stimulating the economy. Massive
[15:03] amounts of money that everyone
[15:05] understands cannot possibly be spent for
[15:07] two or three years. It's smuggled in
[15:09] some very dubious policy, welfare
[15:11] without work and a bigger government
[15:14] takeover of health care. So, uh, I just
[15:16] think that people in good conscience, my
[15:19] own senator, uh, Dick Luger is as
[15:21] bipartisan and thoughtful as any member
[15:23] of Congress, and he couldn't bring
[15:24] himself to support this particular bill.
[15:27] And so, I I think we ought to simply,
[15:29] you know, move forward and each of us as
[15:31] governors anyway, make the best decision
[15:33] we can for our own state.
[15:35] >> How bad uh, governors is this situation
[15:38] now? I mean, do you see any light at the
[15:40] end of this tunnel? Well, I think as
[15:43] history has shown, we always get through
[15:46] um tough economic times. Sometimes it
[15:48] takes longer than one would like to see
[15:50] for that problem and you see
[15:51] unemployment
[15:53] um get to levels that are unacceptable
[15:56] and the foreclosure issue, which you
[15:57] were talking about, gets uh more
[15:59] burdensome. I think most people think
[16:01] we're going to be into 2010 before we
[16:04] see actual a turnaround in the economy.
[16:07] Matter of fact, uh I think most everyone
[16:09] that I talked to is now stretching out
[16:11] their expectations on when you'll see a
[16:14] turnaround in the economy. And I think
[16:15] that makes it even more important that
[16:18] the federal government, which has the
[16:20] ability to finance uh uh these deficits,
[16:24] which states and and our our cities and
[16:28] local governments don't have the
[16:29] capacity. It's absolutely essential that
[16:31] we take those steps by the federal
[16:33] government to stimulate the economy. And
[16:35] by the way, some of this, about onethird
[16:37] of it's being done with tax relief. You
[16:39] know, we're putting money into the
[16:40] pockets of uh middle class families.
[16:43] We're helping uh families send their
[16:45] kids to college. We're doing all kinds
[16:48] of things to try to uh stimulate
[16:50] individuals uh to stabilize the un the
[16:53] uh the uninsured, the the people that
[16:56] are unemployed, and then we're making
[16:58] these long-term investments which create
[17:00] jobs.
[17:00] >> Governor Strickland, what's the big
[17:01] problem out in Ohio? Is it unemployment?
[17:04] Is it these foreclosures? What is it
[17:06] that uh
[17:07] >> the foreclosure problem is a huge
[17:08] problem in Ohio? Of course, uh
[17:10] unemployment is growing uh and we expect
[17:13] it to continue to grow over the coming
[17:15] months. So, all of it together. I you
[17:18] know, I repeat what I said to you, Bob,
[17:19] just a few moments ago. These are
[17:22] unprecedented circumstances. We have
[17:24] never been in circumstances quite like
[17:27] this, perhaps ever in the history of our
[17:29] country. A convergence of economic
[17:31] factors have come together. the housing
[17:33] crisis, the meltdown on Wall Street, uh
[17:36] our financial institutions under
[17:38] stresses and strains. Um that's why I
[17:41] believe the response of the federal
[17:42] government is so critically important.
[17:45] We cannot allow ourselves to disinvest
[17:48] in our kids, to disinvest in education,
[17:52] to dismantle uh those uh
[17:55] responsibilities that we have as
[17:56] governors that will enable us to
[17:58] overcome this recession and move into
[18:00] recovery. What what if one of the auto
[18:02] companies goes under? How will that
[18:04] impact out in your state?
[18:06] >> Oh, hugely hugely. And it will not only
[18:09] impact the big three, it will impact all
[18:12] auto companies including Honda and
[18:14] Toyota and all the others because they
[18:16] have the same supply network. And these
[18:19] this supply chain is very fragile. uh
[18:22] and if it uh starts to collapse, it
[18:25] could have a cascading effect that could
[18:26] quite frankly an industry that
[18:29] has been so vital to the to the economy
[18:32] of our entire nation for so long. So,
[18:35] it's very important that the auto
[18:37] industry get the help it needs to
[18:38] survive. And I I've had officials from
[18:41] the Honda Corporation come to me say to
[18:44] me, "Governor, we're not usually in the
[18:46] business of advocating for our
[18:48] competitors, but it is so important that
[18:51] the auto industry and the big three be
[18:53] preserved. Otherwise, uh the economy of
[18:56] this country will suffer perhaps
[18:58] irreparable harm. Uh and and we just
[19:01] cannot let that happen." Uh uh Governor
[19:03] Daniels, let me ask you uh Governor
[19:05] Schwarzenegger of California said today
[19:07] that uh what what President Obama needs
[19:09] now is some teammates and he's pretty
[19:11] much signed on uh to the uh to the
[19:14] president's plans. Now, a lot of people
[19:16] in your party are raising questions
[19:19] about it, uh saying no, voting no. What
[19:22] do you think Republicans ought to do
[19:24] from here on in?
[19:27] >> Well, they ought to follow their
[19:28] conscience. You know, again, I've not
[19:31] seen it as my role in any way to
[19:34] criticize. We all hope that the
[19:36] president will succeed. This country
[19:38] needs this president to succeed, and I
[19:40] hope fervently that he will. Um, as I
[19:43] said before, whether it's the stimulus
[19:45] package or the uh auto situation you
[19:48] just talked about, um, I certainly
[19:51] understand why people who have to vote
[19:53] iron in conscience cannot bring
[19:55] themselves to support some of these
[19:56] things as presently constituted. You
[19:58] know, I don't know a single Republican
[19:59] who didn't really want to vote uh for a
[20:02] stimulus package, doesn't want to see
[20:05] the auto industry get back on its feet,
[20:08] but u I'm also not going to criticize
[20:10] those who uh have misgivings or can't
[20:13] come to a positive conclusion on these
[20:14] particular bills.
[20:16] >> Well, I have about 20 seconds here left.
[20:18] When do you see this turning around,
[20:20] Governor? Anytime soon or is it going to
[20:21] be a year or so?
[20:25] >> Are you asking me, Bob? I would, you
[20:26] know, I I'll I'll defer defer to
[20:28] Cororsine, my Wall Street uh expert. Uh
[20:32] I I think we all understand this is
[20:34] probably going to be a worse before
[20:36] better and a long siege, but this is a
[20:37] great economy. The American economy has
[20:39] been resilient and surprised the
[20:41] skeptics over and over. It's going to do
[20:42] that again.
[20:43] >> All right. Well, gentlemen, I want to
[20:44] thank each of you for coming by this
[20:46] morning. Not very good news here, but at
[20:49] least maybe we kind of laid out what
[20:51] what's ahead. We'll be back with more in
[20:53] just a minute.
[20:59] This portion of Face the Nation is
[21:01] sponsored by Chevron Human Energy.
[21:10] Finally today, a friend of mine drove
[21:12] through El Paso, Texas not so long ago
[21:15] and was stunned to learn that the
[21:17] weekend he was there, 28 people were
[21:20] killed, gunned down actually in Wares,
[21:23] Mexico, just across the river. More
[21:26] stunning was that most of the people
[21:28] took the news calmly. Just another
[21:30] incident in a border town where such
[21:32] things now happen with increasing
[21:34] frequency. With the United States so
[21:37] focused on the economic crisis, it has
[21:39] gone virtually unreported here. But
[21:42] Mexico is dealing with a crisis of its
[21:44] own. A war among drug cartels that has
[21:47] left nearly $7,000 people dead just last
[21:51] year. The drug business in Mexico has
[21:53] become so big it is turning a $25
[21:56] billion annual profit. The cartels have
[21:59] become so powerful that in some areas
[22:02] they have all but replaced the Mexican
[22:04] government. Just last week, the State
[22:06] Department warned US citizens to
[22:08] exercise caution when traveling in the
[22:11] border areas and noted that the cartels
[22:13] sometimes engage each other and
[22:16] government forces in firefights that
[22:18] resemble military combat operations. As
[22:22] the new administration plans strategies
[22:24] to deal with threats to America's
[22:26] national security, we hear the usual
[22:28] farway names and places. Iran, North
[22:31] Korea, Al Qaeda, the border area between
[22:34] Afghanistan and Pakistan will now add a
[22:37] new worry. The drug cartels in Mexico,
[22:40] they've been getting worse for a while
[22:42] now. We've just been looking the other
[22:44] way. Back in a minute.
[22:56] And that's our broadcast. We'll be back
[22:58] right here next Sunday on Face the
[23:00] Nation.
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