CBS News - Mika Brzezinski interviews Bill Clinton - 2005-11-18
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[0:04] We have been traveling the country
[0:05] looking at the issue of obesity on a
[0:07] regional basis and we're looking at the
[0:09] diet in each area, especially in the
[0:11] south.
[0:12] And yesterday in Memphis, we were at
[0:13] Rendezvous.
[0:15] They know you there. They do? They sent
[0:16] you a present.
[0:19] That's good.
[0:20] >> That's good.
[0:22] Still eating ribs? No. Okay.
[0:24] But I'll give them to the guys.
[0:25] >> All right. Okay. I can take care of them
[0:27] for you. Yeah, you can do that. You can
[0:28] do it.
[0:29] All right.
[0:29] >> You obviously have no problem. You eat
[0:31] them.
[0:32] Well, it's the thought that counts.
[0:33] They're my friends. They're good people.
[0:34] >> Yeah, they really are. Um obviously,
[0:37] you're involved on several fronts
[0:38] pertaining to the issue of obesity in
[0:40] America. You have so many different
[0:42] priorities in your schedule. Why this
[0:44] cause?
[0:46] Well, after my own heart problems,
[0:49] which I realized had to be the result
[0:52] partly of genetic factors predisposed to
[0:55] high cholesterol and blockage, but also
[0:57] partly of the
[0:58] diet I had had for most of my life, even
[1:01] though
[1:02] since I was a young man, I've been
[1:04] vigorously exercising in in all periods
[1:06] except when I was impaired um you know,
[1:08] injured or something.
[1:10] Uh I thought I ought to do something in
[1:12] this area and I didn't want to just
[1:15] kind of do something that was happy talk
[1:17] and it was obvious to me that by far the
[1:19] biggest problem we face
[1:21] and perhaps the biggest health problem
[1:22] facing America today was childhood
[1:23] obesity. It basically tripled in the
[1:25] last generation and uh it's not hard to
[1:28] figure out why the
[1:30] young people are uh
[1:32] digesting foods with higher amounts of
[1:35] trans fats and refined sugar and bigger
[1:37] bulk and exercising less.
[1:39] Working families have basically had
[1:41] stagnant wages for the last 30 years
[1:43] except for 4 years in the late '90s.
[1:47] Uh
[1:48] the cost of education and housing and
[1:50] health care, everything's up. Food's the
[1:52] best bargain still out there and a lot
[1:53] of these people who are
[1:55] uh working now, we almost half the food
[1:57] dollars spent eating out, almost half of
[1:59] that is spent in fast food
[2:00] establishments.
[2:02] Uh, it tastes good, it comes in bulk,
[2:04] and it's affordable. Uh, and then in the
[2:07] schools, more and more schools
[2:08] financially pressed have contracted out
[2:10] their cafeterias. They put in vending
[2:12] machines from which either the schools
[2:14] or the PTA get the portion of the
[2:16] profits. And when you add it all up, the
[2:18] kids are taking in
[2:20] more trans fats, more refined sugar,
[2:22] more bulk, and doing less exercise. Mhm.
[2:25] You know, it seems like when back when
[2:27] we were kids, maybe there was one chubby
[2:29] kid in the class, and now there are
[2:31] many. Yeah. I mean, several. There are,
[2:35] and um
[2:36] it's funny, you know, because they're
[2:38] doing it in a culture that glorifies
[2:40] people who are super thin, super fit,
[2:42] but it's more and more alien to the
[2:45] actual day-to-day life of so many
[2:46] people. And we've got to make, you know,
[2:49] fitness a universal presumption. We've
[2:51] got to make eating right uh
[2:53] the same, and we can't be content with
[2:56] just a few health
[2:57] uh
[2:58] healthy items on every diet. We we got
[3:00] to change the way we prepare food, we
[3:02] got to change the way we present it,
[3:03] we've got to change the way we educate
[3:04] our children beginning in the first
[3:06] grade or kindergarten. When I was
[3:09] uh announcing this program with the
[3:10] Heart Association,
[3:12] and we were talking to Nickelodeon about
[3:14] being our partner. We did the
[3:15] announcement in a school in Washington
[3:18] Heights above Harlem, where the
[3:20] six-year-olds were writing me essays
[3:22] about why it was important to eat right.
[3:24] This is very important. To get it into
[3:26] their psyche at a very young age.
[3:28] You were a chubby kid, if I may say.
[3:30] >> That's charitable, yes. I was
[3:32] I was I was uh
[3:35] really, I was heavy and until I was
[3:38] probably I weighed 210 lb when I was 15.
[3:41] >> Wow. I was 5'10" weighed 210. When I was
[3:43] 13, I was 5'8" and weighed 185.
[3:46] Then I got my weight and then when I
[3:48] graduated from high school, I was 6'2"
[3:50] and weighed 192, not much more than I
[3:51] weigh now, not much less than I weigh
[3:53] now.
[3:54] And for the rest of my life with only
[3:57] two exceptions, I maintained pretty good
[3:58] weight. But by then, I had adopted
[4:02] eating habits which, you know,
[4:03] essentially eventually clogged my
[4:05] arteries. Well, um
[4:08] given the fact that you have a
[4:09] background and you know what it feels
[4:10] like to be a chubby kid, what do you
[4:12] think when you It's not hard to find
[4:14] an obese child these days. What do you
[4:16] think when you see one?
[4:19] Well, first of all, I know how they
[4:20] feel, you know. More of them you think
[4:23] look in the glass every time they walk
[4:24] down the street and if they pass the
[4:26] store windows, they look in the glass
[4:27] and they see how fat they were and they
[4:28] wish they weren't.
[4:30] And then they think they can't do
[4:31] anything about it and they go home and
[4:33] watch TV or play on the computer and get
[4:35] comfort from food.
[4:36] I mean, it's sort of a self-reinforcing
[4:39] condition.
[4:40] A lot of them think they can't do
[4:42] anything about it. They think it's
[4:43] genetic.
[4:44] A lot of them are not really encouraged
[4:47] to do anything about it by their
[4:48] parents. Sometimes we give them negative
[4:51] signals which make it even harder for
[4:52] them to get over their fear.
[4:54] We need to We need They need to think
[4:56] about this like they think about
[4:58] anything else, like a a math problem or
[5:00] anything of This is This is an issue
[5:02] that uh
[5:03] you know, it's like it should be like
[5:04] brushing your teeth and taking a shower
[5:06] in the morning. People should try to
[5:07] maintain maximum health. We all have
[5:10] different body shapes and sizes. Some of
[5:11] us can take in more calories and we have
[5:13] higher metabolism.
[5:14] But essentially, we're all better off if
[5:16] we lower the fat content
[5:18] uh and the refined sugar content of our
[5:20] diet, eat modestly, and exercise more
[5:23] than we do.
[5:24] And we need to We need It needs to
[5:26] become like natural and and and we need
[5:28] to to help them overcome the intense
[5:31] feelings of uncertainty and insecurity
[5:32] that many have.
[5:33] Now, you say the food you were eating
[5:35] you were eating was clogging your
[5:37] arteries. Did it take your heart attack
[5:39] to really make you change your diet?
[5:42] Yeah, I had uh
[5:44] I had worked hard on trying to get my
[5:47] weight down.
[5:48] >> But I basically was still eating things
[5:51] that were not good for a person with a
[5:53] high cholesterol problem.
[5:55] And also I you know I'm on the
[5:57] medication now which helps a lot. But
[5:58] I'm I'm really careful. I
[6:00] And if maybe once uh every other month
[6:03] I'll eat three french fries. That's it?
[6:05] >> Yeah. I'm very careful. I red meat maybe
[6:09] uh
[6:11] maybe once a month.
[6:12] >> We used to see you eating those fries on
[6:13] the campaign trail.
[6:14] >> Yeah. Well, I love them.
[6:16] When I went on my last diet, you know, I
[6:18] ate the
[6:20] you know,
[6:21] hamburgers without the buns and
[6:22] everything was low uh
[6:24] low carbs except I would sneak the
[6:26] french fries.
[6:27] >> Just once in a while.
[6:28] >> Yeah. But you know, even if you want
[6:30] french fries, you can you can bake them.
[6:31] You can cook them in olive oil. You can
[6:33] do lots of things you can do.
[6:35] The uh McDonald's has made a real effort
[6:38] to try to figure out whether there is a
[6:40] a cost-effective way that they can
[6:42] reduce the trans fat in the fries cuz
[6:44] they taste really good.
[6:45] And they haven't I don't think figured
[6:47] out how to do it yet because of the
[6:48] volume and the speed are important to
[6:50] the economics of their business.
[6:52] But if if the fast food establishments
[6:54] could figure out a way
[6:56] to reduce the uh
[6:58] the uh
[7:00] way the changes to change the way they
[7:03] make the french fries, it would make a
[7:04] big difference. 49% of all the
[7:06] vegetables consumed by people 19 and
[7:08] under are potatoes. Well, And most of
[7:10] them are french fries.
[7:11] >> And if they could find a way to lower
[7:13] those fats, that would be a medical
[7:14] breakthrough
[7:16] Yeah. Scientific breakthrough. But
[7:18] potatoes actually have a lot of things
[7:19] in them that are good for you. Right.
[7:21] And they have some protein content. And
[7:22] basically,
[7:23] you know, we there are poor populations
[7:25] that have lived on potatoes. That's what
[7:27] caused the Irish potato famine in
[7:29] in the the 19th century was those the
[7:31] people were poor and they had nothing
[7:32] else to eat, but they were surviving
[7:34] until the potatoes went away.
[7:36] It's just it's that if you fry them, you
[7:38] get these trans fats and they add they
[7:41] don't metabolize in your body well. they
[7:42] add fat to you and they clog your
[7:44] arteries. And people become accustomed
[7:46] to these foods, to these tastes. They I
[7:48] don't want to say are addicted, but they
[7:50] desire them again and again and their
[7:51] metabolism becomes accustomed That's
[7:53] right.
[7:54] >> in that food. Um which leads to a
[7:57] question about your diet because clearly
[7:59] um you were a highly educated,
[8:01] well-traveled, cultured uh public office
[8:05] holder. You must have known your diet
[8:08] was not healthy for you. What didn't
[8:10] click though for you? I think I thought
[8:13] as long as I was exercising and had my
[8:14] weight under control, I'd be all right.
[8:17] And that's what a lot of people need to
[8:18] understand that um
[8:21] you can be superficially fit
[8:24] and still have these problems. You know,
[8:26] the uh
[8:27] I passed all my previous stress tests.
[8:29] 10% of the people who have heart attacks
[8:32] in America pass their last stress test.
[8:35] Uh so if you're fit enough, you can do
[8:37] that. And when I had complications from
[8:38] my surgery and half my left lung was
[8:40] closed with fluid build-up, I still
[8:42] passed my stress test. The guy said,
[8:43] "You're in the top 5% of fitness for a
[8:46] man your age."
[8:47] And I thought, "That's not very good."
[8:49] And I told him my ribs hurt every now
[8:51] and then he found the The point I'm
[8:52] trying to make is it's not fitness is
[8:55] very important.
[8:56] But eating right is also important. And
[8:58] starting at as early as possible is also
[9:01] important so that you can minimize this
[9:03] build-up inside your your arteries which
[9:06] causes heart problems.
[9:08] Takes place over years. Now, the truth
[9:11] is that the build-up inside your body
[9:14] from the wrong kind of sugar, from too
[9:16] much fructose
[9:18] to too much refined sugar of any kind,
[9:19] too much
[9:20] uh trans fats can manifest itself much
[9:23] more quickly, which is why you've got
[9:25] all this childhood diabetes.
[9:27] But even the people who aren't childhood
[9:28] diabetics, if they're not
[9:31] and and aren't even superficially way
[9:33] overweight, if they're not careful what
[9:34] they eat the time they're 50
[9:38] and then in their later years it'll
[9:39] begin to manifest itself. And in an era
[9:41] when the fastest growing age group in
[9:44] America are people over 80
[9:46] and we can live and be alert and be fit
[9:48] and have good lives till we're 90 years
[9:50] old
[9:51] and when our birth rate is going down
[9:52] and more and more of us are working into
[9:54] our later years
[9:55] it's a shame to see a generation just
[9:57] give up those years
[9:59] because of
[10:01] poor diet. So, what do you think should
[10:03] be done about this on a policy level?
[10:06] On a policy level I think we should
[10:08] follow the lead of Arkansas and five or
[10:10] six other states. I think there probably
[10:12] should be no vending machines in
[10:13] elementary schools. If they're going to
[10:15] be in junior and
[10:16] junior high schools and senior high
[10:18] schools
[10:19] they should they should strictly limit
[10:21] the kinds of foods that are in vending
[10:22] machines. They should buy have more
[10:24] apples and
[10:25] and
[10:26] good foods in there and reduce the sugar
[10:30] and trans fat content. Uh we should
[10:33] limit the number of uh
[10:35] heavily sugared soda pops sold in
[10:39] vending machines in schools. We should
[10:41] teach nutrition beginning in first and
[10:43] second grade.
[10:45] It should be taught.
[10:46] We should offer either through the
[10:48] schools or through the health
[10:49] departments
[10:50] uh education to parents. Here in
[10:53] Arkansas they measure the body mass
[10:54] index of all school children and send it
[10:56] home to the parents and tell them what
[10:57] they should do about it.
[10:59] Uh we we should The American people are
[11:01] capable of solving this problem on their
[11:03] own.
[11:04] And then we should bring together all
[11:06] the major uh food providers.
[11:09] Uh particularly the you know, the fast
[11:10] food places but the restaurant chains
[11:12] and see what it would take for them as I
[11:15] said not just have a few heart healthy
[11:17] items which person like me who's got a
[11:19] big
[11:20] scar in his chest would of course order.
[11:23] But actually what it would take to have
[11:25] have them
[11:27] uh
[11:27] able to reduce the trans fats and and
[11:30] bad sugar in their food
[11:32] And maybe have more modest portions.
[11:34] They'll all have to do it together and
[11:36] they'll have to do it as an educational
[11:37] tool and they may even need some tax
[11:39] incentives to do it which I would gladly
[11:40] provide because we're going to spend a
[11:42] lot more money dealing with the health
[11:44] consequences of childhood obesity than
[11:46] we would giving the the restaurant
[11:49] chains
[11:50] the opportunity to move America in a
[11:52] different direction. One more question
[11:54] on obesity and one on Iraq. Is that
[11:56] okay? Sure. Okay. So, um your diet has
[11:59] changed, correct? Correct. Uh so is is
[12:02] it hard to eat on the road? That's a
[12:05] challenge, is it not? A little harder.
[12:07] And mostly not so much because of sugar
[12:09] but because of our trans fats but
[12:11] because I
[12:13] I
[12:13] it's too many carbs. Yeah. Which also
[12:15] make you too heavy. So, let's say
[12:18] hypothetically you're on the road on the
[12:19] campaign trail say with your wife. Is
[12:23] that going to be tough?
[12:25] Then it No, you just watch it. You know,
[12:27] I I I just I watch it. I eat more fish
[12:30] and chicken and turkey.
[12:32] Uh interestingly enough
[12:34] b- uh buffalo meat bison is making a
[12:36] comeback cuz it has lower fat than even
[12:38] chicken or turkey. So, is that an answer
[12:40] about your wife being on the campaign
[12:41] Once in a blue moon I eat red meat.
[12:43] Yeah, she's on the campaign trail right
[12:45] now. She's running for re-election. I
[12:46] I and uh I just went to the New York
[12:49] State Fair with her which is uh
[12:52] someone I love, you know, she New York's
[12:53] a big farming state and my one
[12:55] obligatory Senate spouse appearance
[12:57] every year is up there cuz I know so
[12:58] much about agriculture and a lot of
[13:00] people from New York don't so I have a
[13:01] lot of fun doing it.