CBS News - Presidential Debate - 2004-10-13 - 2 of 5 (partial)
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[0:00] country came together as I've never seen
[0:02] it come together uh since World War II,
[0:05] but some of that seems to have melted
[0:06] away. I think it's fair to say we've
[0:09] become pretty pretty polarized perhaps
[0:11] because of the political season. But if
[0:14] you were elected president or whoever is
[0:16] elected president, uh will you set a
[0:19] priority in trying to bring the nation
[0:20] back together or what would be your
[0:23] attitude on that?
[0:24] >> Well, very much so. Let me pay a
[0:25] compliment to the president if I may. I
[0:27] I think in those days after uh 9/11, I
[0:32] thought the president did a terrific job
[0:34] and I really uh was moved as well as
[0:38] impressed by the speech that he gave to
[0:41] the Congress. And I think the hug Tom
[0:43] Dashel gave him at that moment was about
[0:46] as genuine a sense of there being no
[0:49] Democrats, no Republicans. We were all
[0:51] just Americans. That's where we were.
[0:55] That's not where we are today.
[0:58] I regret to say that the president who
[1:00] called himself a uniter, not a divider,
[1:03] is now presiding over the most divided
[1:05] America in the recent memory of our
[1:07] country. I've never seen such
[1:09] ideological squables in the Congress of
[1:12] the United States. I've never seen
[1:14] members of a party locked out of
[1:16] meetings the way they're locked out
[1:17] today. We have to change that. And as
[1:20] president, I am committed to changing
[1:23] that. You know, I I I don't care if the
[1:26] idea comes from the other side or this
[1:28] side. I think we have to come together
[1:30] and work to change it. I've done that
[1:33] over 20 years in the United States
[1:34] Senate. I've worked with John McCain
[1:36] who's sitting here. I've worked with
[1:38] other colleagues. I've reached across
[1:40] the aisle. I've tried to find the common
[1:42] ground because that's what makes us
[1:45] strong as Americans. And if Americans
[1:48] trust me with the presidency, I can
[1:50] pledge to you, we will have the most
[1:52] significant effort openly, not secret
[1:54] meetings in the White House with special
[1:56] interests, not ideologically driven
[2:00] efforts to push people aside, but a
[2:03] genuine effort to try to restore
[2:04] America's hope and possibilities by
[2:06] bringing people together. And one of the
[2:08] ways we're going to do it is I'm going
[2:10] to work with my friend John McCain to
[2:12] further campaign finance reform so we
[2:14] get these incredible amounts of money
[2:17] out of the system and open it up to
[2:19] average people so America is really
[2:22] represented by the people who make up
[2:24] America.
[2:25] >> Mr. President,
[2:26] >> my biggest disappointment in Washington
[2:28] is how partisan the town is. I had a
[2:30] record of working with uh Republicans
[2:33] and Democrats as the governor of Texas
[2:37] and I was hopeful to be able to do the
[2:38] same thing. And we made good progress
[2:39] early on. The No Child Left Behind Act,
[2:42] incredibly enough, uh was uh was good
[2:46] work between me and my administration
[2:48] and people like Senator Ted Kennedy.
[2:51] And we worked together with Democrats to
[2:53] relieve the tax burden on the middle
[2:55] class and all who pay taxes in order to
[2:57] make sure this economy continues to
[2:58] grow.
[3:00] But Washington is a tough town. And the
[3:02] way I view it is there's a lot of
[3:04] entrenched special interests there.
[3:06] People who are, you know, on one side of
[3:08] the issue or another and they spend
[3:10] enormous sums of money and they convince
[3:12] different senators to tout their way or
[3:14] different congressmen to, you know, talk
[3:17] about their issue and they dig in. I'll
[3:21] continue in the four years to continue
[3:22] to try to work to do so. The my opponent
[3:24] said this is a, you know, bitterly
[3:27] divided time. pretty divided in the 2000
[3:30] election.
[3:32] So, in other words, it's pretty divided
[3:34] during the 1990s as well. We're just in
[3:37] a period and we've got to work to to
[3:38] bring it up. My opponent keeps
[3:40] mentioning John McCain and I I'm glad he
[3:42] did. John McCain is for me for president
[3:44] because he understands I have the right
[3:46] view in winning the war on terror and
[3:49] that my plan will succeed in Iraq and my
[3:52] opponent has got a plan of retreat and
[3:53] defeat in Iraq.
[3:56] We've come, gentlemen, to our last
[3:57] question. And it occurred to me as I
[4:00] came to this debate tonight that the
[4:02] three of us share something. All three
[4:04] of us are surrounded by very strong
[4:06] women. That's right.
[4:07] >> We're all married to strong women. Each
[4:10] of us have two daughters that make us
[4:13] very proud. I'd like to ask each of you,
[4:17] what is the most important thing you've
[4:19] learned from these strong women?
[4:21] >> To listen to them.
[4:28] to stand up straight and not scowl.
[4:36] I love the strong women around me. I
[4:39] can't tell you how much I love my wife
[4:40] and our daughters.
[4:42] I am um you know, it's really
[4:44] interesting. I tell the people on the
[4:45] campaign trail when I asked Laura to
[4:46] marry me, she said, "Fine, just so long
[4:48] as I never have to give a speech." I
[4:50] said, "Okay, you got a deal."
[4:53] Fortunately, she didn't hold me to that
[4:54] deal. And she's out campaigning along
[4:58] with our girls. And uh
[5:01] she speaks English a lot better than I
[5:02] do.
[5:06] I think people understand what she's
[5:07] saying.
[5:09] But they see a compassionate, strong,
[5:10] great first lady in Laura Bush. I can't
[5:13] tell you how lucky I am. Uh when I met
[5:16] her in the backyard at Joe and Jan
[5:18] O'Neal in Midland, Texas. It's the
[5:21] classic backyard barbecue. O'Neal said,
[5:24] "Come on over. I think you'll find
[5:25] somebody who might interest you." So I
[5:29] said, "All right." Bopped over there.
[5:30] There's only four of us there. And not
[5:31] only she interest me, I guess you could
[5:34] say it was love at first sight.
[5:38] Senator Kerry.
[5:40] >> Well, I guess uh
[5:42] the president and you and I are three
[5:46] examples of lucky people who married up,
[5:49] right?
[5:50] And uh
[5:53] some would say maybe me more so than
[5:55] others,
[6:00] but I can take it.
[6:05] Uh, can I say if if I could just say a
[6:08] word about a a woman that you didn't ask
[6:11] about, but my mom passed away a couple
[6:13] years ago and just before I was deciding
[6:16] to run and uh she was in the hospital
[6:19] and I I went in to talk to her and tell
[6:21] her what I was thinking of doing and she
[6:23] looked at me from her hospital bed and
[6:25] she just looked at me and she said, "Uh,
[6:27] remember integrity, integrity,
[6:31] integrity." Those are the three words
[6:34] that she left me with. And my daughters
[6:38] and my wife are people who uh just are
[6:42] filled with that sense of what's right,
[6:45] what's wrong. Uh they also kick me
[6:48] around.
[6:50] Uh they keep me honest. Uh they don't
[6:53] let me get away with anything. Uh I can
[6:56] sometimes take myself too seriously.
[6:58] They surely don't let me do that. Uh,
[7:01] and I'm blessed as I think the president
[7:03] is blessed. As I said last time, I've
[7:04] watched him with the first lady who I
[7:06] admire a great deal and his daughters.
[7:08] He's a great father and I think we're
[7:10] both very lucky.
[7:11] >> Well, gentlemen, that brings us to the
[7:13] closing statements. Um, Senator Kerry, I
[7:15] believe you're first.
[7:20] My fellow Americans,
[7:23] as you heard from Bob Schaffeer a moment
[7:25] ago,
[7:26] America is being tested by division more
[7:29] than ever.
[7:30] We need to be united as a country. And
[7:35] like Franklin Roosevelt,
[7:37] I don't care whether an idea is a
[7:39] Republican idea or a Democrat idea. I
[7:42] just care whether it works for America
[7:44] and whether it's going to make us
[7:45] stronger. These are dangerous times. I
[7:49] believe I offer tested, strong
[7:52] leadership that can calm the waters of a
[7:55] troubled world. And I believe that we
[7:58] can together do things that are within
[8:00] the grasp of Americans. We can lift our
[8:02] schools up. We can create jobs that pay
[8:04] more than the jobs we're losing
[8:05] overseas. We can have health care for
[8:08] all Americans. We can further the cause
[8:11] of equality in our nation. Let me just
[8:14] make it clear. I will never allow any
[8:18] country to have a veto over our
[8:19] security. Just as I fought for our
[8:22] country as a young man, with the same
[8:24] passion, I will fight to defend this
[8:26] nation that I love. And with faith in
[8:30] God and with conviction in the mission
[8:33] of America. I believe that we can reach
[8:36] higher. I believe we can do better. I
[8:37] think the greatest possibilities of our
[8:39] country, our dreams and our hopes are
[8:42] out there just waiting for us to grab on
[8:44] to them. And I ask you to embark on that
[8:47] journey with me. I ask you for your
[8:49] trust. I ask you for your help. I ask
[8:52] you to allow me the privilege of leading
[8:55] this great nation of ours, of helping us
[8:58] to be stronger here at home, and to be
[9:00] respected again in the world, and most
[9:03] of all to be safer forever. Thank you.
[9:07] Good night, and God bless the United
[9:09] States of America. Mr. Preston
[9:13] >> in the Oval Office there's a painting by
[9:16] a friend of Lauren mine named
[9:19] by Tom Lee
[9:23] and it's a West Texas painting
[9:26] painting of a mountain scene and
[9:28] he said this about he said Sarah and I
[9:30] live on the east side of the mountain.
[9:31] It's the sunrise side not the sunset
[9:33] side. It's the side to see the day that
[9:36] is coming not to see the day that is
[9:37] gone. I love the optimism in that
[9:40] painting because that's how I feel about
[9:42] America. You know, we've been through a
[9:44] lot together during the last three and
[9:47] three/4 years.
[9:49] We've come through a recession, a stock
[9:51] market decline, an attack on our
[9:53] country,
[9:55] and yet because of the hard work of the
[9:56] American people and good policies, this
[9:58] economy is growing. Over the next four
[9:59] years, we'll make sure the economy
[10:01] continues to grow. We reformed our
[10:03] school system and now there's an
[10:05] achievement gap in America that's
[10:06] beginning to close. Over the next four
[10:08] years, we'll continue to insist in
[10:09] excellence in every classroom in America
[10:12] so that our children have a chance to
[10:14] realize the great promise of America.
[10:17] Over the next four years, we'll continue
[10:19] to work to make sure healthc care is
[10:20] available and affordable.
[10:23] Over the next four years, we'll continue
[10:24] to rally the armies of compassion to
[10:27] help heal the hurt that exists in some
[10:30] of our country's neighborhoods.
[10:32] I'm optimistic that we'll win the war on
[10:34] terror, but I understand it requires
[10:36] firm resolve and clear purpose. We must
[10:39] never waver in the face of this enemy
[10:43] that these ideologues of hate. And as we
[10:46] pursue the enemy wherever it exists,
[10:48] we'll also spread freedom and liberty.
[10:52] We got great faith in the ability of
[10:54] liberty to transform societies
[10:56] to convert hostile hostile world to a
[10:59] peaceful world.
[11:00] My hope for America is a prosperous
[11:02] America, a hopeful America, and a safer
[11:04] world. I want to thank you for listening
[11:06] tonight. I'm asking for your vote. God
[11:10] bless you.
[11:11] >> Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you,
[11:13] Senator Kerry. Well, that brings these
[11:16] debates to a close, but the campaign
[11:18] goes on. I want to wish both of you the
[11:21] very best of luck between now and
[11:23] election day. That's it for us from
[11:25] Arizona State University and Tempe,
[11:27] Arizona. I'm Bob Schaefer, CBS News.
[11:30] Good night, everyone.
[11:31] >> And so the final presidential candidates
[11:34] joint appearance
[11:36] ends. This is the last of the three. The
[11:40] two men fielded 20 questions on domestic
[11:43] policy, social security, healthcare
[11:45] cost, immigration, and on some personal
[11:47] issues of faith and their own marriages.
[11:50] Senator Kerry said tonight that
[11:51] President Bush's proposal to possibly
[11:53] change social security laws is quote an
[11:56] invitation to disaster for social
[11:58] security. President Bush said that
[12:00] Senator K's position to save Social
[12:02] Security is an offer of quote more of
[12:04] the same without specifics. Senator
[12:07] Kerry said 5 million people have lost
[12:09] their health care in the last four years
[12:11] and he accused President Bush of turning
[12:13] his back on workable healthc care
[12:14] proposals. President Bush said Senator
[12:16] K's plan to expand coverage was quote an
[12:20] empty promise and it would cost far too
[12:22] much. President Bush said his plans for
[12:25] creating jobs and improving the economy
[12:27] are working. Senator Kerry said
[12:29] President Bush is the first president in
[12:31] 72 years who has presided over net job
[12:34] losses during his presidency. Senator
[12:36] Kerry said President Bush had not kept
[12:38] his promise to be a uniter, not a
[12:41] divider. President Bush united said that
[12:44] he had been a united.
[12:46] Now tonight was the final debate and it
[12:49] seems both men John Kerry and George W.
[12:51] Bush came to play it safe to stick the
[12:54] message maintain their composure and to
[12:56] play mainly to their faithful their core
[12:58] voters what the politicians call trying
[13:01] to activate their base and make sure it
[13:03] stays faithful and gets out. Many people
[13:05] may reach the conclusion this was the
[13:07] least interesting of the three debates.
[13:10] We'll have to see on that. I want to
[13:11] remind you that we have a CBS quick poll
[13:14] which is now being tabulated and we'll
[13:16] report that to you as we go along with
[13:18] our post debate coverage. Let's go now
[13:20] uh to Arizona and CBS News correspondent
[13:23] Jim Axelrod. Uh Jim, high point, low
[13:27] point of this joint appearance.
[13:29] Well, Dan, I thought both men were in
[13:31] command of the facts, in command of
[13:33] their philosophies that support very
[13:35] different worldviews, particularly in
[13:37] areas like health care and taxes, social
[13:40] security, social security in particular,
[13:42] where the president was talking about
[13:43] the need to privatize part of the social
[13:45] security system. And Senator Kerry
[13:47] answered with quote, "That's an
[13:49] invitation to disaster." Dan, look,
[13:51] there were plenty of zingers tonight.
[13:53] Senator Kerry at one point said being
[13:55] lectured by President Bush on fiscal
[13:57] responsibility is like being lectured by
[13:59] Tony Soprano on law and order. President
[14:02] Bush also called Senator Kerry on the
[14:04] far left bank of American politics.
[14:06] Senator Kerry makes Senator Kennedy look
[14:08] like the conservative senator from
[14:10] Massachusetts. But this this wasn't
[14:12] about oneliners. At the end of the day,
[14:15] this was about the critical impact on
[14:17] undecided voters. And because so much
[14:19] familiar ground was plowed, because this
[14:22] was more or less 90 minutes of greatest
[14:24] hits from both men's stump speeches, I'm
[14:27] not sure very much was done by way of
[14:28] moving undecided. 13 days ago, when this
[14:32] debate process started, 20% of the
[14:34] voters were seen as uncommitted, either
[14:37] undecided in a traditional sense or
[14:39] committed but still could be moved.
[14:41] Coming into tonight, that number was
[14:43] 18%. And I'm not sure very much took
[14:46] place tonight that's going to nudge
[14:48] undecided voters or uncommitted voters
[14:50] even more. Dan
[14:52] >> well Jim Axelrod and John Roberts our
[14:54] chief White House correspondent who'll
[14:56] be speaking to you in just a moment. Um
[14:58] it want to note again that tonight CBS
[15:01] News is running a poll specifically
[15:03] among people who said they were
[15:05] uncommitted uncommitted voters and we
[15:07] will be reporting the results of that
[15:08] poll for you as we go along in this
[15:10] postdebate program. Now, John Roberts,
[15:13] high point and low point of the debate
[15:16] so far as you could see it here.
[15:18] >> Well, Dan, certainly there were lots of
[15:19] highs and lots of lows as Jim Axarrod
[15:22] just illuminated. Uh, this one's a
[15:24] really tough one to call in terms of who
[15:26] might have come out the winner. I would
[15:28] probably have to give it to to John
[15:29] Kerry. He seemed a little bit more
[15:31] poised. Don't forget, he's got a lot
[15:33] more experience in this type of podium
[15:35] type of debate. But but the two of them,
[15:36] as Jim said, were very conversant in the
[15:38] issues. I think what you saw up there
[15:40] tonight really was was two people who
[15:43] could be presidents. There were two
[15:44] presidents up on the stage. And for
[15:46] undecided voters, I think really now
[15:48] it's just a matter of which one you like
[15:50] better. I mean, they both obviously have
[15:52] their own positions, different as they
[15:54] may be. They both have quite a
[15:56] comprehensive command of the facts. So
[15:58] really, an undecided voter has to take a
[16:00] look at the measure of the man and say,
[16:01] who do I want to have coming into my
[16:03] living room for the next four years? And
[16:05] make up their mind that way. in terms of
[16:07] actually moving what happens in the next
[16:09] two weeks or so. As Jim said, probably
[16:11] whole not not a whole lot uh to be had
[16:14] there. Uh probably won't even really
[16:16] move too much what happens in the next
[16:17] few days as they begin that flatout
[16:19] 20-day run into November 2nd. Uh
[16:22] interesting to note though that in terms
[16:24] of the strategy tonight, they both tried
[16:26] to beat each other over the head with
[16:28] each other's respective records and
[16:30] tried to say that either one of them was
[16:33] misrepresenting the facts. President
[16:34] Bush when he talks about John Ky, John
[16:36] Ky when President Bush talks about him.
[16:39] Uh I think that for me one of the more
[16:42] interesting lines of the night came at
[16:43] the very end when President Bush was
[16:45] asked by our colleague Bob Schaefer,
[16:46] "What have you learned from women?" And
[16:48] he says, "I've learned to listen to
[16:49] them. I've learned to stand up straight
[16:51] and not to scowl." Which of course was a
[16:53] reference to his performance during the
[16:55] first debate. Uh John Kerry pulled a
[16:58] strategy from John Edwards at the vice
[17:00] presidential debate. When asked about
[17:01] homosexuality, he brought up Mary
[17:03] Cheney, uh Dick Cheny's, uh daughter,
[17:05] who is a lesbian. Uh that was something
[17:07] that a very senior Bush campaign
[17:10] official when Edwards did it said was
[17:12] smart but cheesy. Dan John Roberts, our
[17:15] chief uh White House correspondent here
[17:17] for CBS News. Now, with each of these
[17:19] face off, we've invited spokesman from
[17:21] both sides to come on this program and
[17:23] tell us why they believe their man won.
[17:26] We'll do that again tonight, beginning
[17:28] with the Democrats. Senator John Kerry
[17:29] will be here in a moment and then after
[17:32] that we hope to have Rudolph Giuliani
[17:34] speaking up for President Bush and his
[17:36] performance tonight. So stay here with
[17:37] us. We'll be right back.
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