Face the Nation (CBS) - 2006-07-23

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[0:01] Today on Face the Nation, the Middle

[0:03] East war grows wider and even more

[0:06] dangerous. What is American policy for

[0:09] the region? The Israeli battle against

[0:11] the terrorist group Hezbollah moved into

[0:13] the 12th day as Israeli war plananes

[0:17] continued this morning to pound Lebanon

[0:19] and guerillas fired rockets into

[0:22] northern Israel. Secretary of State Rice

[0:24] will leave for the region today. Will

[0:26] Syria stay out of the conflict and move

[0:29] away from supporting Hezbollah or take

[0:32] the other attack and confront Israel?

[0:35] We'll ask the Syrian ambassador to the

[0:37] United States, Immad Mustafa. How long

[0:40] will Israel maintain the current attack?

[0:43] We'll ask the Israeli ambassador to the

[0:45] United States, Daniel Ayeloth. Then

[0:48] we'll talk about the wider implications

[0:50] of this crisis on the whole region with

[0:53] Washington Post writer David Ignatius.

[0:56] I'll have a final word on looking for a

[0:58] little relief from all the bad news in

[1:01] the newspaper of all places. But first,

[1:04] back to the Middle East on Face the

[1:07] Nation.

[1:16] Face the nation with CBS News chief

[1:19] Washington correspondent Bob Schiffer.

[1:21] And now from CBS News in Washington, Bob

[1:25] Schiffer.

[1:26] >> And good morning again. The main news

[1:28] this morning is that the United States

[1:30] says it is open to sending some sort of

[1:33] international peacekeeping force onto

[1:35] the border between Lebanon and Israel.

[1:38] That from administration sources today.

[1:41] On the ground, the war goes on. And so

[1:43] we start there. Our chief foreign

[1:46] correspondent, Lara Logan, is in

[1:48] northern Israel this morning, right

[1:50] along the border. For reasons too

[1:52] complicated to explain, we are having to

[1:54] talk to her via the telephone. Lara, now

[1:57] you just left Hifa uh a short time ago.

[2:00] Uh tell us about what happened there.

[2:01] There were more rocket attacks.

[2:03] >> Well, the air raid sirens went and then

[2:05] I counted one after another 13 big

[2:08] explosions. We went to the scene of one

[2:10] of those and what is interesting to see

[2:12] is that Hezbollah are coming closer and

[2:14] closer to Hifer's oil refinery. That's

[2:16] the most important strategic target in

[2:18] this city. And what is even more

[2:20] interesting is that most of the attacks

[2:22] on Hifer come from the Lebanese uh town

[2:24] of Ty and that is where Israeli war

[2:27] plananes have been hitting over and over

[2:29] again. So this is a kind of message from

[2:31] Hisbah that in spite of such heavy

[2:33] bombardment they're still able to launch

[2:35] attacks on Hifa. We understand that

[2:38] Israel is still massing along the

[2:40] border. Do you still anticipate a

[2:42] largecale uh Israeli ground invasion

[2:45] into Lebanon?

[2:47] >> Well, the Israelis don't like the word

[2:48] invasion for many reasons, but primarily

[2:51] they say because they have no intention

[2:53] of occupying Lebanon or going deep into

[2:56] um Lebanese territory or all the way to

[2:58] Beirut. Their plan is um is to secure a

[3:01] buffer zone in South Lebanon and and

[3:04] certainly we expect to see more Israeli

[3:06] ground troops going in there over the

[3:08] next few days. No doubt about that.

[3:09] They've already managed to take one

[3:11] strategic village and there's heavy

[3:13] fighting going on around there. At the

[3:15] moment, we can hear the sound of

[3:16] outgoing Israeli artillery thundering

[3:18] around these hills as they battle to

[3:21] hold on to that ground. hear from here

[3:23] that Lebanon is saying that if the

[3:25] Israelis do move into southern Lebanon

[3:28] in force, Lebanon may send its army down

[3:30] to oppose them. This morning, reports

[3:33] from Syria that Syria might send its

[3:35] troops into Lebanon. Uh what do you make

[3:38] of those reports, Lara?

[3:39] >> Well, the Israelis are dismissive of the

[3:41] Lebanese army. In fact, you know, they

[3:43] wanted the Lebanese army in South

[3:44] Lebanon instead of Hezbollah, but

[3:46] they've recognized that the Lebanese

[3:48] army is too weak even to do that. So for

[3:50] the first time now you're having Israel

[3:52] saying they would be prepared to accept

[3:54] an international force in South Lebanon

[3:56] led by NATO. As far as Syria is

[3:58] concerned, it's quite clear that Syria

[4:00] and Israel have both gone to great

[4:02] lengths in in the public to let

[4:04] everybody know that neither wants to be

[4:06] drawn into this war. So that scene here

[4:08] more as Syria's politicians speaking to

[4:11] the Arab street as the crisis in Lebanon

[4:13] escalates. And it's believed that behind

[4:15] the scenes in the in the backroom

[4:17] dealing, Syria is u is offering to do

[4:19] what it can to bring about some kind of

[4:21] ceasefire. Bob,

[4:22] >> thank you very much, Laura.

[4:25] >> And joining us now is Dr. Immad Mustafa.

[4:27] He is the Syrian ambassador to the

[4:29] United States. Mr. Ambassador, thank you

[4:31] for coming. Uh you heard what Lara Logan

[4:35] reported. There are also reports coming

[4:37] out of Syria this morning that Syria

[4:39] wants to quote engage in dialogue to

[4:42] solve this crisis. uh under what

[4:44] circumstances?

[4:46] >> Of course, since since the first moment

[4:48] this crisis has started, Syria has time

[4:50] and again said that we believe that

[4:52] there should be an immediate ceasefire

[4:55] because the ongoing hostilities are

[4:57] causing an an unprecedented amount of

[5:00] death and destruction in Lebanon,

[5:02] particularly to the civilians. The

[5:04] civilians are being killed uh by the

[5:06] scores. First, second, we we we believe

[5:09] that when once the ceasefire is

[5:11] attained, the negotiations can start

[5:14] immediately. First, towards an exchange

[5:16] of prisoners, second towards a

[5:18] comprehensive settlement. Syria really

[5:20] wants a total solution to the Middle

[5:22] East crisis based on on security for all

[5:25] parties, on returning our occupied

[5:28] territories, and allowing the

[5:29] Palestinians to have an independent,

[5:31] sovereign, viable state. The uh White

[5:34] House Chief of Staff, Josh Bolton, said

[5:36] on Meet the Press this morning that the

[5:39] administration is looking for some sort

[5:41] of strong showing from Syria that they

[5:44] are willing to do something. What is

[5:47] Syria willing to do to get some sort of

[5:49] talk started here? Uh I think Syria is a

[5:53] major player in the Middle East and uh

[5:55] if if if you remember in the past 30

[5:57] years whenever there was a crisis, past

[6:00] US administrations would immediately

[6:01] engage with Syria and we would usually

[6:04] play a constructive positive role

[6:06] towards alleviating some tension or or

[6:09] or reaching a settlement or a

[6:11] compromise. This administration has the

[6:13] unique position of not talking to Syria

[6:15] which was not the case in the past 30

[6:17] years. If you remember, every US

[6:19] president starting with Richard Nixon,

[6:21] ending with Blink Bill Clinton did

[6:23] actually visit Damascus. Uh, and add to

[6:25] this the numerous visits of secretaries

[6:28] of states and you will see the

[6:30] difference between past administrations

[6:32] and this administration and how to

[6:34] engage or not to engage with with

[6:36] countries in the Middle East.

[6:38] >> Well, are you saying that you want

[6:40] direct talks with the United States

[6:42] here?

[6:42] >> We we don't mind this. We always had

[6:44] this before. There's no problem.

[6:46] Whenever the United States think that

[6:47] it's time to engage in serious

[6:48] diplomacy, not the sort of diplomacy

[6:51] that has been announced in the past two

[6:53] days, a visit by Secretary Rise to Rome

[6:56] just to tell just to tell some some Arab

[6:59] officials what the United States want

[7:00] them to do accompanied by expediting uh

[7:05] intelligent bumps to Israel so that

[7:07] Israel can use them in in killing more

[7:09] and more civilians and in destroying

[7:11] more and more of the infrastructure in

[7:12] Lebanon. If the United States wants to

[7:14] involve in Syria's diplomacy, of course,

[7:17] Damascus is more than willing to engage.

[7:20] >> Uh here's what President Bush said

[7:21] yesterday. He said, "For many years,

[7:23] Syria has been a primary sponsor of

[7:26] Hezbollah and it has helped provide

[7:28] Hezbollah with Iranianmade weapons."

[7:31] Your response to that?

[7:33] >> Our response to that is the the the US

[7:35] policy towards the Middle East has been

[7:37] totally hijacked by Israeli policies in

[7:39] the Middle East. Whoever dares whoever

[7:42] dares to oppose the Israeli occupation

[7:44] and annexation policies in the Middle

[7:46] East immediately gets labeled as a

[7:48] terrorist and and gets discredited. I

[7:51] think this is detrimental to the US

[7:53] national interests. Uh the Arabs are not

[7:56] the enemies of the United States. The

[7:57] United States should not be flagrantly

[8:00] uh

[8:01] one-sided in in in this conflict.

[8:04] >> But you don't deny that you have been

[8:06] sponsoring Hezbollah and that you have

[8:08] furnished weapons to them. We we don't

[8:10] furnish weapons to Hezbollah because we

[8:12] do not produce weapons in Syria. We

[8:14] support Hezbollah because Hezbollah is a

[8:16] national liberation movement. Everybody

[8:18] should understand that the issue in the

[8:20] Middle East. The true issue is the

[8:22] ongoing Israeli occupation of our

[8:24] territories. Syria has time and again

[8:26] invited Israel to engage in peace talks

[8:28] with us and with the Lebanese and with

[8:31] the Palestinians leading to a

[8:32] comprehensive peace settlement. Israel

[8:34] has flatly rejected this. Well, was

[8:36] Hezbollah right to kidnap those Israeli

[8:38] soldiers because that's what started all

[8:40] of this?

[8:41] >> When you say that's what started all of

[8:43] this, it's like the history of the

[8:45] conflict in the Middle East started 10

[8:46] days ago. The amazing thing is that the

[8:49] American public opinion probably doesn't

[8:51] even know that while Hezbollah has

[8:54] captured and imprisoned two Israeli

[8:56] military soldiers, Israel holds 9,500

[9:00] Arab civilian prisoners, some of them

[9:02] women and children. And the moment

[9:04] Israel Hazbah took those two soldiers

[9:07] immediately offered Israel an exchange

[9:09] of prisoners particularly starting with

[9:12] the women and children illegally

[9:14] imprisoned by Israel.

[9:15] >> Let me ask you this. Uh there are

[9:17] reports out of Damascus this morning

[9:19] that if the Israelis do launch a massive

[9:22] land invasion into Lebanon as you heard

[9:24] Lara Logan report that Syria may send

[9:27] its troops into Lebanon. Is that

[9:30] >> this is hypothetical? I hope it will not

[9:32] happen. Syria has only called for an

[9:34] immediate ceasefire. We do not believe

[9:36] that escalating the situation further in

[9:39] the Middle East will lead anywhere. What

[9:40] we are calling for is deescalation,

[9:42] diplomatic engagement, and for the

[9:45] United States to re start playing the

[9:48] role it used to play in the past, the

[9:50] role of the broker of peace. Right now,

[9:53] if you are an American taxpayer, you are

[9:55] financing what Israel is doing to

[9:57] Lebanon, death and destruction. This is

[9:59] this is unfair. All right, we'll leave

[10:02] it there, Mr. Ambassador. Thank you.

[10:04] >> Thank you.

[10:05] >> Now, we taped that interview just a few

[10:07] minutes ago. Now, with us live is the

[10:09] Israeli ambassador, Daniel Ayelon. Mr.

[10:12] Ambassador, thank you for coming. Well,

[10:14] I must ask your response. The Syrians

[10:16] say they want a ceasefire.

[10:18] >> Well, if they want a ceasefire, they

[10:20] would just bring about the safe uh

[10:22] release unconditionally of our two

[10:24] kidnapped soldiers, which are hostages,

[10:26] and they would bring about uh stopping

[10:28] all the shelling of Frisbala. And they

[10:30] would stop uh shipping all these

[10:33] armaments tobalah including Syrian

[10:35] manufactured uh two 120 mm rockets which

[10:39] are really a terror weapon because uh

[10:41] they have uh warheads which specifically

[10:44] is designed to kill civilians with ball

[10:46] bearings and sharpeners. This uh weapon

[10:49] is not good. It's not effective against

[10:51] military only against civilians. This is

[10:53] what they're using. Well, you just heard

[10:54] the Sing ambassador say number one, we

[10:56] don't furnish weapons to Hezbollah, and

[10:59] number two, we don't help them get

[11:01] weapons. He said we don't make weapons.

[11:05] >> Well, we have now the unfortunate uh

[11:07] evidence as it's uh rained over our

[11:10] cities and towns, killing scores of

[11:12] Israeli civilians as well. And uh so we

[11:15] have the evidence with the serial

[11:17] numbers, all the manufacturing in Syria

[11:19] and also in Iran.

[11:21] >> Uh Mr. Ambassador, how much longer will

[11:24] Israel keep up this attack?

[11:26] >> Well, we are not sitting with a time

[11:28] watch, Bob. And it's not a matter of

[11:30] timing. It's a matter of getting the

[11:32] results. And the result should be taking

[11:35] Lebanon and giving it back to the

[11:37] Lebanese, neutralizing

[11:39] as a terror fighting force and also um

[11:44] bring about the conditions which will be

[11:47] uh solid for a new political struct

[11:50] structure in Lebanon which would really

[11:52] help the entire Middle East. We cannot

[11:54] have

[11:56] hold hostage the Lebanese people,

[11:57] Israelis and the entire region. And

[12:00] >> well, as he was leaving uh out in the

[12:03] corridor here, the Syrian ambassador

[12:04] said to me that you have not stopped

[12:07] Hezbollah at this point. Uh really

[12:09] haven't hurt them much in in their

[12:11] ability to respond. Do you think you

[12:14] have damaged this uh this group as yet?

[12:16] And how much longer do you think it will

[12:18] be before you have basically uh

[12:21] destroyed them? And I guess that's what

[12:22] you're aiming to do.

[12:23] >> Yes, absolutely. We have dealt a real

[12:25] blow to theaha. There are few hundreds

[12:29] terrorists who are dead, killed. A lot

[12:32] of the arsenal is gone. Basically the

[12:34] long range and and here we see Iran and

[12:36] Syria supplying them with long range 200

[12:38] miles missiles which is very very

[12:40] irresponsible. We have to understand the

[12:43] uh the first time in history that we see

[12:45] a terror organization with stateike

[12:47] capabilities with strategic weapons and

[12:50] strategic capabilities. So it's not

[12:52] easy, but it's high time to take them

[12:54] out and we're going to do it and I think

[12:55] we're making a lot of inroads and in a

[12:58] few days you will see a totally

[12:59] different situation.

[13:00] >> Uh the United States is sort of sending

[13:02] out signals as it were that it w is now

[13:05] ready to talk about putting an

[13:06] international force in there along the

[13:09] border between Israel and Lebanon. Would

[13:11] Israel favor that?

[13:13] >> I believe so. We will certainly not rule

[13:14] it out. We would like to see an

[13:16] effective force uh which has uh some

[13:18] capabilities to defend itself and also

[13:21] uh to bring law and order. We have had

[13:23] this very very miserable uh example of

[13:26] unifi which was not able to stop the on

[13:29] the country.

[13:30] >> Well, Mr. Ambassador, do you think it's

[13:31] going to take another week to have

[13:33] Hezbollah where you want them? Is it

[13:35] going to take two weeks? I mean, you're

[13:37] having an enormous number of civilian

[13:39] civilian casualties here. And some

[13:41] people believe that that it might in

[13:44] fact cause the Lebanese government to

[13:46] collapse. I'm sure that's not what

[13:47] Israel wants.

[13:48] >> Not at all. Not at all. And uh I believe

[13:51] I cannot tell you if it'll be a week or

[13:53] two weeks, but we are making progress.

[13:56] And what is important to remember here

[13:57] is that with the we are targeting only.

[14:01] We're not targeting civilians as they do

[14:03] with our towns in Kirachon or Tiberious

[14:06] or Hifa. But what is the problem, Bob?

[14:08] There are nobalah camps per se. They're

[14:11] not having um positions or stations just

[14:15] out in the field. Specifically, they

[14:17] locate them in heavily populated areas,

[14:20] which makes us work much slower because

[14:23] what we're trying to do is separate the

[14:25] civilians with the terrorists. We send

[14:27] them messages throwing leaflets to

[14:30] pre-warn them also at the expense of of

[14:33] compromising our missions because the

[14:35] also gets the pre-warning. So it's not

[14:37] going to be a very quick fix war but we

[14:41] are being very effective and I believe

[14:43] that at the end we will see a situation

[14:44] whereby Lebanon and the Lebanese army

[14:47] will be once and for all stronger than

[14:49] the and we'll be able to take Lebanon

[14:51] and its sovereignty back to the

[14:53] government. Is Israel going to move into

[14:56] Lebanon in force, Mr. Ambassador?

[14:58] >> No. Uh you will not No. What we're doing

[15:01] now in southern Lebanon is really

[15:02] mopping up mop up operations against

[15:04] these fortifications of the thebala

[15:07] which was right smack dab against our

[15:09] borders, allowing them to kidnap our

[15:11] soldiers and to attack us. So we're

[15:13] trying to throw them, repel them out of

[15:14] the borders. Uh you will not see um

[15:17] divisional columns pouring into Lebanon.

[15:20] is going to be in and out operations and

[15:22] we're not going to uh stay in Lebanon.

[15:24] Not at all.

[15:24] >> All right. Thank you very much, Mr.

[15:26] Ambassador. We'll be back to talk to

[15:28] David Ignatius of the Washington Post in

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[17:22] And we're joined now by David Ignatius,

[17:25] who is a columnist for the Washington

[17:26] Post and someone who has followed this

[17:28] story for years. Uh David, I ask you to

[17:30] just simply listen to these two

[17:32] ambassadors this morning and tell us

[17:34] what you make of what they said. Well, I

[17:36] first the Syrian ambassador was was

[17:38] telling us that Syria would love for the

[17:41] United States to come talk to Syria or

[17:43] to be involved in this diplomacy. But

[17:44] when you asked him what specifically

[17:47] would Syria be prepared to offer, he was

[17:48] very careful and didn't really give a

[17:50] good answer. That tracks what I'm

[17:52] hearing from State Department officials

[17:53] who say yes, they are getting indirect

[17:56] messages that Syria would like to be

[17:58] part of this process, but when you boil

[18:00] down the message, it's just come talk to

[18:02] us. I thought the Israeli ambassador

[18:04] said something very important at the end

[18:06] when you asked him about the prospect

[18:08] for an Israeli ground invasion. We've

[18:10] had uh pictures on television now for

[18:12] the last three or four days of tanks

[18:14] massing along the Lebanese border as if

[18:16] they're about to go in and force. And he

[18:18] said, "No, uh we don't intend to do

[18:20] that." Again, that tracks what I'm what

[18:22] I'm hearing today from State Department

[18:23] officials who say that in part because

[18:25] of US messages to Israel, don't do this.

[18:29] The Israelis have decided that a ground

[18:31] invasion would be unwise. Instead, we'll

[18:33] have limited maneuvers back and forth,

[18:36] but not a major invasion.

[18:38] >> Now, uh the Secretary of State, Conisa

[18:41] Rice, heads to the region uh today. Uh

[18:44] what exactly do you understand US policy

[18:47] to be at this point, David? And where do

[18:48] you think it goes from here?

[18:50] >> I think you can sum up the dilemma for

[18:52] the United States, the goal for the

[18:53] United States in the question, how will

[18:55] this war end? Will it end with a strong

[18:57] Lebanese state, strong enough to control

[19:00] Hezbollah finally, strong enough to

[19:02] assert sovereignty throughout Lebanon?

[19:04] Strong enough to keep the Syrian troops

[19:05] who only left in April of last year out

[19:08] of the country? Uh, and and how do you

[19:10] achieve that? Or will it end in a failed

[19:13] state? A state that's been so weakened

[19:15] by this Israeli bombardment that it will

[19:18] be unable to put the pieces back

[19:19] together, that Hezbollah will regroup

[19:21] and be as strong as it was in the past.

[19:23] I mean, that's that's the dilemma. And

[19:25] and I think the strategy for the US is

[19:27] to try to put together with our allies,

[19:29] Arab and around the world, an

[19:31] international force that would go into

[19:33] southern Lebanon as as Israeli combat

[19:36] operations cease, accompany the Lebanese

[19:38] army into the south, and provide finally

[19:41] a strong buffer. That's a very very

[19:44] difficult proposition. But that's what

[19:45] we're trying to do.

[19:46] >> Uh you wouldn't imagine that US forces

[19:49] would be involved in in any kind of an

[19:51] international force, would you?

[19:52] >> No. Uh there's been a decision that US

[19:54] forces should not be specifically

[19:56] involved. This force is likely to build

[19:58] on the existing UNIFIL force that the

[20:00] United Nations has in southern Lebanon

[20:03] which is now commanded by France, a

[20:04] country that knows Lebanon extremely

[20:06] well and has a strong military. The US

[20:09] is talking to countries like Italy,

[20:10] Turkey, Canada, all of which have very

[20:13] strong militaries to try to send troops

[20:14] in. You know, we only have to remember

[20:16] 1983 and the Marine barracks being blown

[20:19] up in Beirut and a similar kind of

[20:21] international presence mission to know

[20:23] how dangerous this will be. So, you

[20:25] know, this is not to be taken lightly.

[20:27] This is not just a kind of United

[20:28] Nations blue helmet uh separate. This is

[20:31] this this could involve real combat.

[20:33] >> Well, obviously uh the peace process is

[20:36] not helped as long as Hezbollah remains

[20:38] armed as it is. and and one can

[20:41] certainly understand the Israeli

[20:42] argument that they have to strike back

[20:44] when they're struck by these people. But

[20:47] with these uh the targeting as it is and

[20:50] with so many civilians getting killed,

[20:53] it seems to me that the fine line here

[20:55] that the United States has to walk is

[20:57] somehow keep this Lebanese government

[21:00] from collapsing because of that at the

[21:02] same time trying to reduce the power of

[21:05] Hezbollah. That's a tall order. I think

[21:07] you state the the the problem

[21:09] succinctly. How how can we remain

[21:11] friends with both Israel, our our our

[21:13] close strategic ally in the Middle East,

[21:14] and with Lebanon, a Lebanese government

[21:16] that we helped put in place? There's a

[21:18] worry that as this war continues, as the

[21:20] destruction in Lebanon increases, as the

[21:22] deaths of civilians increase, the

[21:25] ability of the Lebanese government to

[21:26] function, to put things back together,

[21:28] may may be demolished in the process. So

[21:30] the US is really worried about how to

[21:32] help the government of Fuad Seora, the

[21:34] Lebanese prime minister, survive and

[21:37] come out of this strong enough to do

[21:39] what everybody wants.

[21:40] >> Well, what about these two reports? Uh

[21:42] Lebanon is saying that if Israel does

[21:44] come across the border in force on the

[21:46] ground that they'll send Lebanese troops

[21:48] uh to oppose them. Obviously, that's

[21:50] something that we don't want to see

[21:52] happen. And you now have Syria this

[21:54] morning saying, "Well, if those troops

[21:56] should somehow threaten Syria, they're

[21:58] prepared to enter the war." or do you

[21:59] think either of those things uh are

[22:01] going to happen?

[22:02] >> I don't think there's significant

[22:03] military threats to Israel, but I think

[22:05] they are politically important. There is

[22:06] a danger now that the Lebanese army will

[22:10] just splinter, that it will be unable to

[22:12] perform the function that we would like

[22:14] it to in the south as this kind of

[22:16] buffer because it's it's been riven by

[22:20] by sectarian disputes. Most of the the

[22:22] the soldiers, the conscripts in that

[22:24] army are Shiites and so they're watching

[22:26] this with with some difficulty. Syria

[22:28] really isn't in a position today to

[22:29] launch a war against Israel. Everybody

[22:32] knows that. But I do think that in what

[22:34] Ambassador Alan said here on your

[22:36] program and in what I'm hearing from US

[22:38] officials, there is a recognition that

[22:40] it would be unwise for Israel to launch

[22:42] a major invasion.

[22:43] >> All right. Thank you very much, David.

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