Face the Nation (CBS) - 2006-07-23
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[0:01] Today on Face the Nation, the Middle
[0:03] East war grows wider and even more
[0:06] dangerous. What is American policy for
[0:09] the region? The Israeli battle against
[0:11] the terrorist group Hezbollah moved into
[0:13] the 12th day as Israeli war plananes
[0:17] continued this morning to pound Lebanon
[0:19] and guerillas fired rockets into
[0:22] northern Israel. Secretary of State Rice
[0:24] will leave for the region today. Will
[0:26] Syria stay out of the conflict and move
[0:29] away from supporting Hezbollah or take
[0:32] the other attack and confront Israel?
[0:35] We'll ask the Syrian ambassador to the
[0:37] United States, Immad Mustafa. How long
[0:40] will Israel maintain the current attack?
[0:43] We'll ask the Israeli ambassador to the
[0:45] United States, Daniel Ayeloth. Then
[0:48] we'll talk about the wider implications
[0:50] of this crisis on the whole region with
[0:53] Washington Post writer David Ignatius.
[0:56] I'll have a final word on looking for a
[0:58] little relief from all the bad news in
[1:01] the newspaper of all places. But first,
[1:04] back to the Middle East on Face the
[1:07] Nation.
[1:16] Face the nation with CBS News chief
[1:19] Washington correspondent Bob Schiffer.
[1:21] And now from CBS News in Washington, Bob
[1:25] Schiffer.
[1:26] >> And good morning again. The main news
[1:28] this morning is that the United States
[1:30] says it is open to sending some sort of
[1:33] international peacekeeping force onto
[1:35] the border between Lebanon and Israel.
[1:38] That from administration sources today.
[1:41] On the ground, the war goes on. And so
[1:43] we start there. Our chief foreign
[1:46] correspondent, Lara Logan, is in
[1:48] northern Israel this morning, right
[1:50] along the border. For reasons too
[1:52] complicated to explain, we are having to
[1:54] talk to her via the telephone. Lara, now
[1:57] you just left Hifa uh a short time ago.
[2:00] Uh tell us about what happened there.
[2:01] There were more rocket attacks.
[2:03] >> Well, the air raid sirens went and then
[2:05] I counted one after another 13 big
[2:08] explosions. We went to the scene of one
[2:10] of those and what is interesting to see
[2:12] is that Hezbollah are coming closer and
[2:14] closer to Hifer's oil refinery. That's
[2:16] the most important strategic target in
[2:18] this city. And what is even more
[2:20] interesting is that most of the attacks
[2:22] on Hifer come from the Lebanese uh town
[2:24] of Ty and that is where Israeli war
[2:27] plananes have been hitting over and over
[2:29] again. So this is a kind of message from
[2:31] Hisbah that in spite of such heavy
[2:33] bombardment they're still able to launch
[2:35] attacks on Hifa. We understand that
[2:38] Israel is still massing along the
[2:40] border. Do you still anticipate a
[2:42] largecale uh Israeli ground invasion
[2:45] into Lebanon?
[2:47] >> Well, the Israelis don't like the word
[2:48] invasion for many reasons, but primarily
[2:51] they say because they have no intention
[2:53] of occupying Lebanon or going deep into
[2:56] um Lebanese territory or all the way to
[2:58] Beirut. Their plan is um is to secure a
[3:01] buffer zone in South Lebanon and and
[3:04] certainly we expect to see more Israeli
[3:06] ground troops going in there over the
[3:08] next few days. No doubt about that.
[3:09] They've already managed to take one
[3:11] strategic village and there's heavy
[3:13] fighting going on around there. At the
[3:15] moment, we can hear the sound of
[3:16] outgoing Israeli artillery thundering
[3:18] around these hills as they battle to
[3:21] hold on to that ground. hear from here
[3:23] that Lebanon is saying that if the
[3:25] Israelis do move into southern Lebanon
[3:28] in force, Lebanon may send its army down
[3:30] to oppose them. This morning, reports
[3:33] from Syria that Syria might send its
[3:35] troops into Lebanon. Uh what do you make
[3:38] of those reports, Lara?
[3:39] >> Well, the Israelis are dismissive of the
[3:41] Lebanese army. In fact, you know, they
[3:43] wanted the Lebanese army in South
[3:44] Lebanon instead of Hezbollah, but
[3:46] they've recognized that the Lebanese
[3:48] army is too weak even to do that. So for
[3:50] the first time now you're having Israel
[3:52] saying they would be prepared to accept
[3:54] an international force in South Lebanon
[3:56] led by NATO. As far as Syria is
[3:58] concerned, it's quite clear that Syria
[4:00] and Israel have both gone to great
[4:02] lengths in in the public to let
[4:04] everybody know that neither wants to be
[4:06] drawn into this war. So that scene here
[4:08] more as Syria's politicians speaking to
[4:11] the Arab street as the crisis in Lebanon
[4:13] escalates. And it's believed that behind
[4:15] the scenes in the in the backroom
[4:17] dealing, Syria is u is offering to do
[4:19] what it can to bring about some kind of
[4:21] ceasefire. Bob,
[4:22] >> thank you very much, Laura.
[4:25] >> And joining us now is Dr. Immad Mustafa.
[4:27] He is the Syrian ambassador to the
[4:29] United States. Mr. Ambassador, thank you
[4:31] for coming. Uh you heard what Lara Logan
[4:35] reported. There are also reports coming
[4:37] out of Syria this morning that Syria
[4:39] wants to quote engage in dialogue to
[4:42] solve this crisis. uh under what
[4:44] circumstances?
[4:46] >> Of course, since since the first moment
[4:48] this crisis has started, Syria has time
[4:50] and again said that we believe that
[4:52] there should be an immediate ceasefire
[4:55] because the ongoing hostilities are
[4:57] causing an an unprecedented amount of
[5:00] death and destruction in Lebanon,
[5:02] particularly to the civilians. The
[5:04] civilians are being killed uh by the
[5:06] scores. First, second, we we we believe
[5:09] that when once the ceasefire is
[5:11] attained, the negotiations can start
[5:14] immediately. First, towards an exchange
[5:16] of prisoners, second towards a
[5:18] comprehensive settlement. Syria really
[5:20] wants a total solution to the Middle
[5:22] East crisis based on on security for all
[5:25] parties, on returning our occupied
[5:28] territories, and allowing the
[5:29] Palestinians to have an independent,
[5:31] sovereign, viable state. The uh White
[5:34] House Chief of Staff, Josh Bolton, said
[5:36] on Meet the Press this morning that the
[5:39] administration is looking for some sort
[5:41] of strong showing from Syria that they
[5:44] are willing to do something. What is
[5:47] Syria willing to do to get some sort of
[5:49] talk started here? Uh I think Syria is a
[5:53] major player in the Middle East and uh
[5:55] if if if you remember in the past 30
[5:57] years whenever there was a crisis, past
[6:00] US administrations would immediately
[6:01] engage with Syria and we would usually
[6:04] play a constructive positive role
[6:06] towards alleviating some tension or or
[6:09] or reaching a settlement or a
[6:11] compromise. This administration has the
[6:13] unique position of not talking to Syria
[6:15] which was not the case in the past 30
[6:17] years. If you remember, every US
[6:19] president starting with Richard Nixon,
[6:21] ending with Blink Bill Clinton did
[6:23] actually visit Damascus. Uh, and add to
[6:25] this the numerous visits of secretaries
[6:28] of states and you will see the
[6:30] difference between past administrations
[6:32] and this administration and how to
[6:34] engage or not to engage with with
[6:36] countries in the Middle East.
[6:38] >> Well, are you saying that you want
[6:40] direct talks with the United States
[6:42] here?
[6:42] >> We we don't mind this. We always had
[6:44] this before. There's no problem.
[6:46] Whenever the United States think that
[6:47] it's time to engage in serious
[6:48] diplomacy, not the sort of diplomacy
[6:51] that has been announced in the past two
[6:53] days, a visit by Secretary Rise to Rome
[6:56] just to tell just to tell some some Arab
[6:59] officials what the United States want
[7:00] them to do accompanied by expediting uh
[7:05] intelligent bumps to Israel so that
[7:07] Israel can use them in in killing more
[7:09] and more civilians and in destroying
[7:11] more and more of the infrastructure in
[7:12] Lebanon. If the United States wants to
[7:14] involve in Syria's diplomacy, of course,
[7:17] Damascus is more than willing to engage.
[7:20] >> Uh here's what President Bush said
[7:21] yesterday. He said, "For many years,
[7:23] Syria has been a primary sponsor of
[7:26] Hezbollah and it has helped provide
[7:28] Hezbollah with Iranianmade weapons."
[7:31] Your response to that?
[7:33] >> Our response to that is the the the US
[7:35] policy towards the Middle East has been
[7:37] totally hijacked by Israeli policies in
[7:39] the Middle East. Whoever dares whoever
[7:42] dares to oppose the Israeli occupation
[7:44] and annexation policies in the Middle
[7:46] East immediately gets labeled as a
[7:48] terrorist and and gets discredited. I
[7:51] think this is detrimental to the US
[7:53] national interests. Uh the Arabs are not
[7:56] the enemies of the United States. The
[7:57] United States should not be flagrantly
[8:00] uh
[8:01] one-sided in in in this conflict.
[8:04] >> But you don't deny that you have been
[8:06] sponsoring Hezbollah and that you have
[8:08] furnished weapons to them. We we don't
[8:10] furnish weapons to Hezbollah because we
[8:12] do not produce weapons in Syria. We
[8:14] support Hezbollah because Hezbollah is a
[8:16] national liberation movement. Everybody
[8:18] should understand that the issue in the
[8:20] Middle East. The true issue is the
[8:22] ongoing Israeli occupation of our
[8:24] territories. Syria has time and again
[8:26] invited Israel to engage in peace talks
[8:28] with us and with the Lebanese and with
[8:31] the Palestinians leading to a
[8:32] comprehensive peace settlement. Israel
[8:34] has flatly rejected this. Well, was
[8:36] Hezbollah right to kidnap those Israeli
[8:38] soldiers because that's what started all
[8:40] of this?
[8:41] >> When you say that's what started all of
[8:43] this, it's like the history of the
[8:45] conflict in the Middle East started 10
[8:46] days ago. The amazing thing is that the
[8:49] American public opinion probably doesn't
[8:51] even know that while Hezbollah has
[8:54] captured and imprisoned two Israeli
[8:56] military soldiers, Israel holds 9,500
[9:00] Arab civilian prisoners, some of them
[9:02] women and children. And the moment
[9:04] Israel Hazbah took those two soldiers
[9:07] immediately offered Israel an exchange
[9:09] of prisoners particularly starting with
[9:12] the women and children illegally
[9:14] imprisoned by Israel.
[9:15] >> Let me ask you this. Uh there are
[9:17] reports out of Damascus this morning
[9:19] that if the Israelis do launch a massive
[9:22] land invasion into Lebanon as you heard
[9:24] Lara Logan report that Syria may send
[9:27] its troops into Lebanon. Is that
[9:30] >> this is hypothetical? I hope it will not
[9:32] happen. Syria has only called for an
[9:34] immediate ceasefire. We do not believe
[9:36] that escalating the situation further in
[9:39] the Middle East will lead anywhere. What
[9:40] we are calling for is deescalation,
[9:42] diplomatic engagement, and for the
[9:45] United States to re start playing the
[9:48] role it used to play in the past, the
[9:50] role of the broker of peace. Right now,
[9:53] if you are an American taxpayer, you are
[9:55] financing what Israel is doing to
[9:57] Lebanon, death and destruction. This is
[9:59] this is unfair. All right, we'll leave
[10:02] it there, Mr. Ambassador. Thank you.
[10:04] >> Thank you.
[10:05] >> Now, we taped that interview just a few
[10:07] minutes ago. Now, with us live is the
[10:09] Israeli ambassador, Daniel Ayelon. Mr.
[10:12] Ambassador, thank you for coming. Well,
[10:14] I must ask your response. The Syrians
[10:16] say they want a ceasefire.
[10:18] >> Well, if they want a ceasefire, they
[10:20] would just bring about the safe uh
[10:22] release unconditionally of our two
[10:24] kidnapped soldiers, which are hostages,
[10:26] and they would bring about uh stopping
[10:28] all the shelling of Frisbala. And they
[10:30] would stop uh shipping all these
[10:33] armaments tobalah including Syrian
[10:35] manufactured uh two 120 mm rockets which
[10:39] are really a terror weapon because uh
[10:41] they have uh warheads which specifically
[10:44] is designed to kill civilians with ball
[10:46] bearings and sharpeners. This uh weapon
[10:49] is not good. It's not effective against
[10:51] military only against civilians. This is
[10:53] what they're using. Well, you just heard
[10:54] the Sing ambassador say number one, we
[10:56] don't furnish weapons to Hezbollah, and
[10:59] number two, we don't help them get
[11:01] weapons. He said we don't make weapons.
[11:05] >> Well, we have now the unfortunate uh
[11:07] evidence as it's uh rained over our
[11:10] cities and towns, killing scores of
[11:12] Israeli civilians as well. And uh so we
[11:15] have the evidence with the serial
[11:17] numbers, all the manufacturing in Syria
[11:19] and also in Iran.
[11:21] >> Uh Mr. Ambassador, how much longer will
[11:24] Israel keep up this attack?
[11:26] >> Well, we are not sitting with a time
[11:28] watch, Bob. And it's not a matter of
[11:30] timing. It's a matter of getting the
[11:32] results. And the result should be taking
[11:35] Lebanon and giving it back to the
[11:37] Lebanese, neutralizing
[11:39] as a terror fighting force and also um
[11:44] bring about the conditions which will be
[11:47] uh solid for a new political struct
[11:50] structure in Lebanon which would really
[11:52] help the entire Middle East. We cannot
[11:54] have
[11:56] hold hostage the Lebanese people,
[11:57] Israelis and the entire region. And
[12:00] >> well, as he was leaving uh out in the
[12:03] corridor here, the Syrian ambassador
[12:04] said to me that you have not stopped
[12:07] Hezbollah at this point. Uh really
[12:09] haven't hurt them much in in their
[12:11] ability to respond. Do you think you
[12:14] have damaged this uh this group as yet?
[12:16] And how much longer do you think it will
[12:18] be before you have basically uh
[12:21] destroyed them? And I guess that's what
[12:22] you're aiming to do.
[12:23] >> Yes, absolutely. We have dealt a real
[12:25] blow to theaha. There are few hundreds
[12:29] terrorists who are dead, killed. A lot
[12:32] of the arsenal is gone. Basically the
[12:34] long range and and here we see Iran and
[12:36] Syria supplying them with long range 200
[12:38] miles missiles which is very very
[12:40] irresponsible. We have to understand the
[12:43] uh the first time in history that we see
[12:45] a terror organization with stateike
[12:47] capabilities with strategic weapons and
[12:50] strategic capabilities. So it's not
[12:52] easy, but it's high time to take them
[12:54] out and we're going to do it and I think
[12:55] we're making a lot of inroads and in a
[12:58] few days you will see a totally
[12:59] different situation.
[13:00] >> Uh the United States is sort of sending
[13:02] out signals as it were that it w is now
[13:05] ready to talk about putting an
[13:06] international force in there along the
[13:09] border between Israel and Lebanon. Would
[13:11] Israel favor that?
[13:13] >> I believe so. We will certainly not rule
[13:14] it out. We would like to see an
[13:16] effective force uh which has uh some
[13:18] capabilities to defend itself and also
[13:21] uh to bring law and order. We have had
[13:23] this very very miserable uh example of
[13:26] unifi which was not able to stop the on
[13:29] the country.
[13:30] >> Well, Mr. Ambassador, do you think it's
[13:31] going to take another week to have
[13:33] Hezbollah where you want them? Is it
[13:35] going to take two weeks? I mean, you're
[13:37] having an enormous number of civilian
[13:39] civilian casualties here. And some
[13:41] people believe that that it might in
[13:44] fact cause the Lebanese government to
[13:46] collapse. I'm sure that's not what
[13:47] Israel wants.
[13:48] >> Not at all. Not at all. And uh I believe
[13:51] I cannot tell you if it'll be a week or
[13:53] two weeks, but we are making progress.
[13:56] And what is important to remember here
[13:57] is that with the we are targeting only.
[14:01] We're not targeting civilians as they do
[14:03] with our towns in Kirachon or Tiberious
[14:06] or Hifa. But what is the problem, Bob?
[14:08] There are nobalah camps per se. They're
[14:11] not having um positions or stations just
[14:15] out in the field. Specifically, they
[14:17] locate them in heavily populated areas,
[14:20] which makes us work much slower because
[14:23] what we're trying to do is separate the
[14:25] civilians with the terrorists. We send
[14:27] them messages throwing leaflets to
[14:30] pre-warn them also at the expense of of
[14:33] compromising our missions because the
[14:35] also gets the pre-warning. So it's not
[14:37] going to be a very quick fix war but we
[14:41] are being very effective and I believe
[14:43] that at the end we will see a situation
[14:44] whereby Lebanon and the Lebanese army
[14:47] will be once and for all stronger than
[14:49] the and we'll be able to take Lebanon
[14:51] and its sovereignty back to the
[14:53] government. Is Israel going to move into
[14:56] Lebanon in force, Mr. Ambassador?
[14:58] >> No. Uh you will not No. What we're doing
[15:01] now in southern Lebanon is really
[15:02] mopping up mop up operations against
[15:04] these fortifications of the thebala
[15:07] which was right smack dab against our
[15:09] borders, allowing them to kidnap our
[15:11] soldiers and to attack us. So we're
[15:13] trying to throw them, repel them out of
[15:14] the borders. Uh you will not see um
[15:17] divisional columns pouring into Lebanon.
[15:20] is going to be in and out operations and
[15:22] we're not going to uh stay in Lebanon.
[15:24] Not at all.
[15:24] >> All right. Thank you very much, Mr.
[15:26] Ambassador. We'll be back to talk to
[15:28] David Ignatius of the Washington Post in
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[17:22] And we're joined now by David Ignatius,
[17:25] who is a columnist for the Washington
[17:26] Post and someone who has followed this
[17:28] story for years. Uh David, I ask you to
[17:30] just simply listen to these two
[17:32] ambassadors this morning and tell us
[17:34] what you make of what they said. Well, I
[17:36] first the Syrian ambassador was was
[17:38] telling us that Syria would love for the
[17:41] United States to come talk to Syria or
[17:43] to be involved in this diplomacy. But
[17:44] when you asked him what specifically
[17:47] would Syria be prepared to offer, he was
[17:48] very careful and didn't really give a
[17:50] good answer. That tracks what I'm
[17:52] hearing from State Department officials
[17:53] who say yes, they are getting indirect
[17:56] messages that Syria would like to be
[17:58] part of this process, but when you boil
[18:00] down the message, it's just come talk to
[18:02] us. I thought the Israeli ambassador
[18:04] said something very important at the end
[18:06] when you asked him about the prospect
[18:08] for an Israeli ground invasion. We've
[18:10] had uh pictures on television now for
[18:12] the last three or four days of tanks
[18:14] massing along the Lebanese border as if
[18:16] they're about to go in and force. And he
[18:18] said, "No, uh we don't intend to do
[18:20] that." Again, that tracks what I'm what
[18:22] I'm hearing today from State Department
[18:23] officials who say that in part because
[18:25] of US messages to Israel, don't do this.
[18:29] The Israelis have decided that a ground
[18:31] invasion would be unwise. Instead, we'll
[18:33] have limited maneuvers back and forth,
[18:36] but not a major invasion.
[18:38] >> Now, uh the Secretary of State, Conisa
[18:41] Rice, heads to the region uh today. Uh
[18:44] what exactly do you understand US policy
[18:47] to be at this point, David? And where do
[18:48] you think it goes from here?
[18:50] >> I think you can sum up the dilemma for
[18:52] the United States, the goal for the
[18:53] United States in the question, how will
[18:55] this war end? Will it end with a strong
[18:57] Lebanese state, strong enough to control
[19:00] Hezbollah finally, strong enough to
[19:02] assert sovereignty throughout Lebanon?
[19:04] Strong enough to keep the Syrian troops
[19:05] who only left in April of last year out
[19:08] of the country? Uh, and and how do you
[19:10] achieve that? Or will it end in a failed
[19:13] state? A state that's been so weakened
[19:15] by this Israeli bombardment that it will
[19:18] be unable to put the pieces back
[19:19] together, that Hezbollah will regroup
[19:21] and be as strong as it was in the past.
[19:23] I mean, that's that's the dilemma. And
[19:25] and I think the strategy for the US is
[19:27] to try to put together with our allies,
[19:29] Arab and around the world, an
[19:31] international force that would go into
[19:33] southern Lebanon as as Israeli combat
[19:36] operations cease, accompany the Lebanese
[19:38] army into the south, and provide finally
[19:41] a strong buffer. That's a very very
[19:44] difficult proposition. But that's what
[19:45] we're trying to do.
[19:46] >> Uh you wouldn't imagine that US forces
[19:49] would be involved in in any kind of an
[19:51] international force, would you?
[19:52] >> No. Uh there's been a decision that US
[19:54] forces should not be specifically
[19:56] involved. This force is likely to build
[19:58] on the existing UNIFIL force that the
[20:00] United Nations has in southern Lebanon
[20:03] which is now commanded by France, a
[20:04] country that knows Lebanon extremely
[20:06] well and has a strong military. The US
[20:09] is talking to countries like Italy,
[20:10] Turkey, Canada, all of which have very
[20:13] strong militaries to try to send troops
[20:14] in. You know, we only have to remember
[20:16] 1983 and the Marine barracks being blown
[20:19] up in Beirut and a similar kind of
[20:21] international presence mission to know
[20:23] how dangerous this will be. So, you
[20:25] know, this is not to be taken lightly.
[20:27] This is not just a kind of United
[20:28] Nations blue helmet uh separate. This is
[20:31] this this could involve real combat.
[20:33] >> Well, obviously uh the peace process is
[20:36] not helped as long as Hezbollah remains
[20:38] armed as it is. and and one can
[20:41] certainly understand the Israeli
[20:42] argument that they have to strike back
[20:44] when they're struck by these people. But
[20:47] with these uh the targeting as it is and
[20:50] with so many civilians getting killed,
[20:53] it seems to me that the fine line here
[20:55] that the United States has to walk is
[20:57] somehow keep this Lebanese government
[21:00] from collapsing because of that at the
[21:02] same time trying to reduce the power of
[21:05] Hezbollah. That's a tall order. I think
[21:07] you state the the the problem
[21:09] succinctly. How how can we remain
[21:11] friends with both Israel, our our our
[21:13] close strategic ally in the Middle East,
[21:14] and with Lebanon, a Lebanese government
[21:16] that we helped put in place? There's a
[21:18] worry that as this war continues, as the
[21:20] destruction in Lebanon increases, as the
[21:22] deaths of civilians increase, the
[21:25] ability of the Lebanese government to
[21:26] function, to put things back together,
[21:28] may may be demolished in the process. So
[21:30] the US is really worried about how to
[21:32] help the government of Fuad Seora, the
[21:34] Lebanese prime minister, survive and
[21:37] come out of this strong enough to do
[21:39] what everybody wants.
[21:40] >> Well, what about these two reports? Uh
[21:42] Lebanon is saying that if Israel does
[21:44] come across the border in force on the
[21:46] ground that they'll send Lebanese troops
[21:48] uh to oppose them. Obviously, that's
[21:50] something that we don't want to see
[21:52] happen. And you now have Syria this
[21:54] morning saying, "Well, if those troops
[21:56] should somehow threaten Syria, they're
[21:58] prepared to enter the war." or do you
[21:59] think either of those things uh are
[22:01] going to happen?
[22:02] >> I don't think there's significant
[22:03] military threats to Israel, but I think
[22:05] they are politically important. There is
[22:06] a danger now that the Lebanese army will
[22:10] just splinter, that it will be unable to
[22:12] perform the function that we would like
[22:14] it to in the south as this kind of
[22:16] buffer because it's it's been riven by
[22:20] by sectarian disputes. Most of the the
[22:22] the soldiers, the conscripts in that
[22:24] army are Shiites and so they're watching
[22:26] this with with some difficulty. Syria
[22:28] really isn't in a position today to
[22:29] launch a war against Israel. Everybody
[22:32] knows that. But I do think that in what
[22:34] Ambassador Alan said here on your
[22:36] program and in what I'm hearing from US
[22:38] officials, there is a recognition that
[22:40] it would be unwise for Israel to launch
[22:42] a major invasion.
[22:43] >> All right. Thank you very much, David.
[22:45] And I'll be back with a final word in
[22:47] just a minute.
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