PBS NewsHour - 1996-02-23

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[0:06] Good evening, I'm Jim Lara. On the

[0:08] NewsHour tonight, Buchanan and other

[0:10] political stories as seen by our

[0:12] regional commentators and Mark Shields

[0:14] and Paul Jigo. And two reports from the

[0:17] West. Spencer Michaels on a failed

[0:19] housing project in California. Rod Minet

[0:22] on a new kind of night school in the

[0:24] state of Washington. It all follows our

[0:26] summary of the news this Friday.

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[0:54] The Commerce Department reported today

[0:56] the nation's economy grew by 2.1% last

[1:00] year. That's the smallest increase in

[1:02] the gross domestic product since 1991.

[1:05] It was blamed on the partial federal

[1:07] government shutdowns that occurred late

[1:09] last year. The GDP measures the nation's

[1:12] economic growth rate. President Clinton

[1:15] spoke about the economy and free trade

[1:17] today in California. He went to a

[1:19] Macdonald Douglas plant to watch the Air

[1:21] Force take delivery of its 24th C17

[1:24] cargo plane. He said he saved the C17

[1:28] from congressional budget cuts. Mr.

[1:30] Clinton told Macdonald Douglas workers

[1:32] the United States should be pushing for

[1:34] free, tough, and fair trade. If you want

[1:37] your country to lead for peace and

[1:40] freedom and prosperity, the answer is

[1:42] neither to be uncritically in favor of

[1:45] free trade nor to be for pulling up the

[1:49] rug and closing our borders. The answer

[1:51] is to be for trade that is free and fair

[1:55] so everybody has a fair chance to grow

[1:58] in the global economy. That is what our

[2:00] country should stand for.

[2:02] Later today, the president will have his

[2:04] first meeting with Prime Minister

[2:06] Hashimoto of Japan. They'll discuss

[2:08] trade and reducing the American military

[2:10] presence on the island of Okinawa. The

[2:13] Republican presidential primary in

[2:15] Delaware is tomorrow. 12 delegates are

[2:17] at stake. Only Steve Forbes is

[2:19] campaigning there, but the other

[2:21] candidates are on the ballot. Most of

[2:23] the other campaigning today was in

[2:24] Arizona and North and South Dakota,

[2:27] where there are primaries next Tuesday.

[2:29] Hey, we'll have more on the Republican

[2:30] presidential race after the news

[2:32] summary. In Philadelphia today, a former

[2:35] National Security Agency employee was

[2:38] arrested for selling US secrets to

[2:40] Russia in the 1960s. Robert Lipka

[2:43] allegedly took cash from the KGB in

[2:46] exchange for classified documents. A US

[2:48] attorney provided the details. Our

[2:51] complaint charges that Lipka while in

[2:53] the United States Army during the years

[2:56] 1965 to 1967

[2:58] and assigned to the National Security

[3:00] Agency at Fort me Maryland conspired

[3:04] with officers of the KGB to transmit

[3:07] national defense information to the

[3:08] Soviet Union.

[3:10] It is charged that Lipka uh employing a

[3:14] common espionage technique

[3:16] uh that is a dead drop would hide

[3:19] pilferred documents in designated places

[3:22] for later pickup by the Soviet agency. A

[3:25] federal prosecutor at the news

[3:26] conference said Lipka had access to the

[3:29] highest secrets and even supplied Moscow

[3:31] with some of the same data the White

[3:33] House received. In Bosnia today, the

[3:36] reunification of Sievo officially began,

[3:39] but a Muslim Croat police team found a

[3:41] ghost town where a Serb suburb had been.

[3:44] Some Serbs refused to live under the new

[3:46] coalition government, saying they fear

[3:48] reprisals from their former enemies. We

[3:51] have more in this report from Robert

[3:52] Moore of Independent Television News.

[3:57] >> The police force walked in at dawn. The

[4:00] Bosnian government gaining in peace what

[4:02] they could not achieve in four years of

[4:03] bitter fighting. It was a moment for SVO

[4:06] of enormous importance. The first Serb

[4:09] area to be handed over. The first step

[4:11] to reunifying the city. As the

[4:13] government takes over here, so the

[4:15] Bosnian Serbs are fleeing.

[4:18] This morning, the very poorest, those

[4:20] who could not even afford a lift, simply

[4:22] walked out of their homes and into the

[4:25] blizzard. The suburb of Vagoska now

[4:27] stands abandoned. A ghost town that

[4:29] signals how deep is the hatred and the

[4:31] suspicion. Vagoska is just the first of

[4:34] five Serb suburbs to be handed over.

[4:37] NATO forces are patrolling in increasing

[4:38] numbers, promising security and trying

[4:41] to persuade the Serbs they too have a

[4:43] future in the Bosnian Federation.

[4:46] >> In Moscow today, Russian President Yelen

[4:49] went ahead on his own to suspend

[4:51] economic sanctions imposed on the

[4:53] Bosnian Serbs. At the UN, a US mission

[4:56] spokesman said Russia's action was

[4:58] premature. Yesterday, the commander of

[5:00] the multinational peacekeeping force in

[5:02] Bosnia decided against lifting the

[5:04] sanctions. Now, earlier in the day,

[5:06] Yeltson gave his annual state of the

[5:08] nation address. He said he was ready to

[5:10] compromise in order to bring peace to

[5:12] the breakaway Cheschna region where

[5:15] separatist and military forces have been

[5:17] in conflict for 14 months. Yeltson also

[5:20] said he would soften the blow of

[5:22] economic and democratic reforms, but

[5:24] Russia would stay on the path toward

[5:26] capitalism. Yeltson is running for

[5:28] reelection. The vote is in June. From

[5:31] Iraq, there is a report that two

[5:33] defectors who returned home from Jordan

[5:35] this week have been murdered. Iraqi

[5:37] television said the men were killed in

[5:39] Baghdad by their own relatives. The

[5:41] former head of Iraq's secret military

[5:43] program and his brother were married to

[5:45] daughters of President Saddam Hussein,

[5:47] but they defected to Jordan 6 months

[5:49] ago. They were reportedly pardoned by

[5:52] Saddam on their return. The Iraqi

[5:54] embassy in Jordan also reported that the

[5:56] men have been killed. And that's it for

[5:58] the news summary tonight. Now it's on to

[6:00] how this tumultuous week of politics

[6:02] looks to our regional commentators and

[6:05] to Shields and Jigo. A failed housing

[6:08] project and a new wrinkle to night

[6:10] school.

[6:20] Presidential politics is first tonight.

[6:22] Elizabeth Farnsworth starts us off. In

[6:25] the aftermath of his upset victory in

[6:27] the New Hampshire primary, commentator

[6:29] Patrick Buchanan's fiery brand of social

[6:31] and economic conservatism has drawn

[6:33] attack from many quarters and especially

[6:36] from fellow Republicans. At his victory

[6:38] celebration last Tuesday, Buchanan

[6:40] accurately predicted what the week ahead

[6:42] would sound like.

[6:44] >> This is not a victory for a man again.

[6:46] This is a victory for a cause. It is the

[6:49] cause of a brand new bold conservatism

[6:52] in American politics. A conservatism

[6:55] that gives voice to the voiceless, that

[6:57] speaks up for the right to life of the

[6:59] innocent on board.

[7:06] A conservatism.

[7:07] THE CONSERVATISM THAT LOOKS OUT FOR THE

[7:10] MEN AND WOMEN OF THIS COUNTRY WHOSE JOBS

[7:12] HAVE BEEN SACRIFICED on the altars of

[7:15] TRADE DEALS DONE FOR THE BENEFIT OF

[7:16] TRANSNATIONAL CORPORATIONS WHO HAVE NO

[7:19] LOYALTY TO OUR COUNTRY AND NO LOYALTY TO

[7:21] ANYBODY.

[7:29] THIS IS A VICTORY. Victory for the good

[7:31] men and women of middle America who

[7:33] cannot understand why there is deafness

[7:36] in Washington and silence about the fact

[7:38] the standard of living of our working

[7:40] men and women in middle class have been

[7:42] stagnating while profits have been

[7:43] soaring. They call me names. Some may

[7:45] call me a socialist. They call me the

[7:47] right. They can't figure out where we

[7:48] are. Right, left, New Deal. Where is

[7:51] that fella? All the forces of the old

[7:53] order are going to rally against us. The

[7:56] establishment is coming together. You

[7:58] can hear them right now. The fax

[8:00] machines and the phones are buzzing IN

[8:02] WASHINGTON DC. WE GOT TO GET TOGETHER.

[8:04] SOMEBODY'S GOT TO GET OUT AND TAKE ON

[8:06] THIS GUY. WE GOT TO HAVE ONE GUY TAKE

[8:07] HIM ON. BUT I'LL tell you what, we don't

[8:09] have time. We need the troops.

[8:10] >> Pat sometimes gives out messages of

[8:13] intolerance, which I think are very

[8:14] unfortunate. And I think what he is

[8:16] going to have to do if he wants to

[8:17] remain a viable candidate in the weeks

[8:19] and months ahead is to convince the

[8:21] American people that he is not giving

[8:23] giving out a message of intolerance.

[8:24] >> You're a Republican now. Could you vote

[8:26] for Pat Buchanan for president?

[8:28] >> Uh no. I think Pat is mistaken. Uh I

[8:31] think that uh he's just flat wrong on a

[8:33] lot of issues. I don't care about who he

[8:35] associates with or who he might

[8:36] associate with or who he sent a letter

[8:38] to or who sent him a Valentine's card. I

[8:40] think his views are wrong. Uh I think

[8:42] they are ignorant. I think they are

[8:44] based in a misreading of history.

[8:46] >> Conservatives are in a quandry, I

[8:48] believe, at this particular point,

[8:50] particularly with regard to the

[8:52] presidential race. We have one

[8:55] candidate, Pat Buchanan, who has an

[8:57] impeccable conservative pedigree, but

[8:59] who is articulating policies that are

[9:02] more reminiscent of European than

[9:03] American conservatism, who is

[9:05] challenging many of the economic

[9:07] foundations of the conservative movement

[9:09] and philosophy, and who therefore is a

[9:12] disquing figure to many traditional

[9:13] conservatives.

[9:15] >> This now is a race between the

[9:18] mainstream and the extreme. That's what

[9:20] it's all about. It's a race between

[9:23] hope,

[9:24] which I will talk about, and fear. Hope

[9:27] and fear. It's about freedom, and it's

[9:30] about intolerance,

[9:32] which I will not tolerate.

[9:35] Has no place in our party. It's about

[9:39] maintaining the Republican Congress.

[9:41] That's what it's about. I want to be the

[9:43] majority party for the right reason.

[9:45] Because we have the vision and because

[9:47] we have the ideas and because we look to

[9:49] the future, not to the past. This is not

[9:51] the 1930s. We're getting ready for a

[9:54] whole new century. And this is a battle

[9:57] for the heart and soul of the Republican

[9:59] party. Pat, I'm not going to let you

[10:01] hijack our party. I'm going to debate

[10:04] with you on the ideas. Uh Buchananism is

[10:08] wrong for our country. It's wrong for

[10:10] our party. We need a rising, shining

[10:14] America, not a divided, pessimistic

[10:17] America as we go into the next century.

[10:20] >> Lamar did make a very good point and

[10:22] frankly Bob Dole made a very good point

[10:24] when he said this is a battle and a

[10:26] struggle for the heart and soul of our

[10:28] party and indeed it is. You know, Woodro

[10:31] Wilson said in 1912 that a great

[10:34] political party is truly serving the

[10:37] nation only when it becomes the

[10:39] instrument of some great and good cause.

[10:43] Let me try to outline to you the cause I

[10:45] believe in the postcold war era my party

[10:49] should represent. It is a cause of what

[10:51] I call a new conservatism of the heart.

[10:54] That is not a conservatism of the

[10:56] boardroom or the business roundt. It is

[10:59] a bold and unapologetic conservatism

[11:02] that speaks up for those who have no

[11:04] voice. That speaks up for the right to

[11:06] life of the innocent unborn in this

[11:08] country.

[11:15] And that speaks up speaks up for those

[11:17] working men and women in this country

[11:19] betrayed by trade deals sold out for the

[11:22] benefit of big corporations.

[11:25] We're going to speak up for them, my

[11:26] friends.

[11:28] We need to speak up really as leaders in

[11:32] the Republican party for those who have

[11:33] no voice. And I want to bring them all

[11:35] home to this Republican party. And I'm

[11:37] asking the GOP, please keep the door

[11:39] open. I'll bring these good people home.

[11:42] Thank you very much.

[11:44] >> Now, our regional commentators assess

[11:46] campaign 1996 thus far. They are Lee

[11:49] Cullum of the Dallas Morning News,

[11:51] William Wong of the Oakland Tribune,

[11:53] Patrick Mcwigan of the Daily Oklahoma,

[11:56] Mike Barnacle of the Boston Globe, and

[11:59] Cynthia Tucker of the Atlanta

[12:00] Constitution. Cynthia, are you seeing

[12:03] this kind of criticism from Republican

[12:05] leaders in Georgia?

[12:08] >> Oh, yes, absolutely. The mainstream

[12:10] Republicans in Georgia are just as

[12:12] worried as mainstream Republicans are

[12:14] everywhere about Pat Buchanan's meteoric

[12:18] rise in the uh Republican presidential

[12:20] campaign primaries so far. Uh Georgia

[12:24] Senator Coverdale, who had been a Graham

[12:27] supporter earlier on, has now announced

[12:30] his support for Bob Dole. I suspect

[12:33] there will be other leading Republicans

[12:35] who will very clearly announce their

[12:38] support for either Dole or G or

[12:40] Alexander

[12:42] in an effort to uh slow down the

[12:44] Buchanan movement. But I still suspect

[12:47] that there will be a lot of support for

[12:49] Pat Buchanan among rank and file voters

[12:53] in Georgia. Our primary here is on March

[12:55] 5th. Pat Buchanan got 36% of the vote in

[12:59] uh Georgia in 1992 against George Bush.

[13:03] I suspect he will do well in Georgia

[13:05] again.

[13:06] >> Bill Wong, how about in California? Do

[13:08] you see a battle for the heart and soul

[13:10] of the Republican party?

[13:11] >> Yes, we are. Although it's interesting

[13:13] that um Governor Wilson, who is a uh

[13:17] moderate Republican and a strong

[13:19] supporter of Governor Dole, I mean of uh

[13:22] Senator Dole, has uh been distracted by

[13:26] um the the death penalty case of uh this

[13:29] Bonan fellow as well as um spearheading

[13:32] a campaign to uh get rid of affirmative

[13:35] action. So, he has really not come out

[13:37] yet to uh give an assessment of the New

[13:40] Hampshire results, but I suspect that

[13:43] California mainstream Republicans are

[13:46] quaking in their boots at this moment at

[13:48] the prospect that Pat Buchanan uh has

[13:51] thrown into the mainstream Republican

[13:53] party

[13:54] >> and Pat McGuigan in Oklahoma. Do you

[13:56] think Republican leaders are making a

[13:57] big mistake in attacking Pat Buchanan

[13:59] the way they are?

[14:00] >> I think the nature of the attacks is a

[14:02] mistake. uh attacking his character,

[14:05] questioning his uh virtues on matters of

[14:08] race. Uh I think they're unjustified. Uh

[14:12] having said that, I think it's fair game

[14:14] to criticize Buchanan's views on trade

[14:16] issues.

[14:17] >> Excuse me for interrupting, Pat. I just

[14:18] want to ask you, when you say that um

[14:21] that the attacks are unjustified, do you

[14:22] think it's a risk that this could drive

[14:24] people into Patrick Buchanan's arms?

[14:27] >> Oh, absolutely. Uh, for example, here in

[14:29] Oklahoma, Buchanan performed very well

[14:32] uh in his long shot uh candidacy in

[14:35] 1992. I think he got about a quarter of

[14:36] the vote if I remember right, perhaps as

[14:38] much as 27%.

[14:40] In uh this year, I think by March 12th

[14:43] when we are part of the Super Tuesday

[14:45] scenario, that the field will still be

[14:47] at least uh chopped up among three,

[14:50] leaving a very clear scenario for a

[14:52] Buchanan victory with a third of the

[14:53] vote or more. And my point is that in

[14:56] November, make no mistake, no matter who

[14:58] the Republican nominee is, Republicans

[15:01] are going to have to be united. If the

[15:03] nominee is Bob Dole, which I kind of

[15:05] still expect, he's going to need the

[15:07] Buchanan brigades in order to win. And

[15:09] the divisiveness of recent days has not

[15:12] come from Pat Buchanan other than the

[15:14] edge of his message on substantive

[15:16] issues. The divisiveness is coming from

[15:19] the Dole campaign and the Alexander

[15:21] campaign buying into the national

[15:23] media's spin on the character and nature

[15:26] of Pat Buchanan and his support. I think

[15:28] it's a mistake. I also think it's unfair

[15:30] and doesn't fit uh the actual man Pat

[15:32] Buchanan.

[15:33] >> Mike Barnacle, what do you think about

[15:35] that?

[15:36] Well, I think that uh you know to refer

[15:39] to anyone as a leader with Republican or

[15:42] Democrat merely because they're in

[15:43] office is uh is to miss the point. It's

[15:47] as if voters I think around here and and

[15:50] I think probably around the country as

[15:52] well have one of those V chips already

[15:55] implanted in their brain and they're

[15:56] managing to exclude a lot of the stuff

[15:59] that they're hearing from Mr. Buchanan

[16:02] that has been referred to as extremist

[16:04] stuff in the newspapers and in the

[16:06] editorial pages and they're honing in on

[16:09] a specific message that they're hearing

[16:10] from him and they're not hearing it from

[16:12] anyone else. And it's a message I think

[16:14] aimed at people between the ages of 40

[16:16] and 55 years of age who have worked at

[16:19] places for 10, 12, 15 years thinking

[16:22] that they were working there with some

[16:24] sense of economic security and now

[16:26] they're unsure. I think the seinal event

[16:28] of this decade when it's written is

[16:30] going to be the day AT&T, the phone

[16:32] company, a great place to work when we

[16:34] were growing up. That's what we were

[16:35] told, laid off 40,000 people and their

[16:38] stock went up. Watching Buchanan against

[16:41] this field is a little like watching

[16:43] Greg Maddox against a double A ball

[16:45] club. I mean, he's he's in the zone and

[16:47] he's throwing it right across the plate

[16:49] and people are seeing it and and hearing

[16:51] what they want to hear.

[16:52] >> So, you're saying, Mike, that it doesn't

[16:53] really matter what the so-called

[16:55] Republican leaders say. They they can

[16:57] just be tuned out by people who are are

[16:59] receptive to Buchanan's message.

[17:01] >> Well, I think if if you hear poor Bob

[17:04] Dole, if you heard him up in New

[17:06] Hampshire, you would have to say this

[17:08] fellow has absolutely no conception of

[17:10] what's going on in this country. Lamar

[17:12] Alexander was playing catchup. He was

[17:14] sort of trying to, you know, hear what

[17:16] Buchanan was saying with one ear and

[17:18] sort of filter it out into his own

[17:20] language, but it was too late for him

[17:22] when he caught on to it. But the point

[17:24] is, they had to catch on to it. I don't

[17:26] know whether Pat Buchanan does his own

[17:27] grocery shopping or not, but he's heard

[17:29] this language out there and it's

[17:31] cultural as well as political and he's

[17:33] repeating it in terms that people

[17:35] understand and applaud.

[17:37] >> Lee Colum, how does it look to you in

[17:38] Texas, a Republican leader sniping

[17:40] Buchanan?

[17:41] >> Well, there's great concern among

[17:43] Republican leaders and I want to say

[17:44] that Mike Barnacle certainly has a

[17:46] point. Uh I I think the fear down here

[17:48] is that the Buchanan economic program

[17:50] would cause a great contraction of the

[17:53] economy, not an expansion of it. it

[17:55] would cost jobs and create great

[17:56] suffering. I spoke with a pollster in

[17:59] Houston uh named Mike Basselles who does

[18:02] Republican polling is not working for

[18:04] any candidate at the moment and he says

[18:06] that from the figures that he has seen

[18:08] from precincts around the state. If the

[18:10] election were held today, Dole would do

[18:13] very well indeed. He would get close to

[18:15] a majority if not a majority. Certainly

[18:17] a very solid plurality. Buchanan would

[18:20] be second with a third of the vote and

[18:22] Alexander a somewhat distant third

[18:25] unless he can do very well in South

[18:27] Carolina and unless he can raise some

[18:29] money. Now Alexander does have some

[18:32] support in Texas. His campaign chairman

[18:34] is Rob Mossbacher who's the son of the

[18:36] former Secretary of Commerce under Bush.

[18:38] Uh there is some talk that Governor Bush

[18:40] might come out for Alexander. I heard

[18:42] that view from a an a staff member in

[18:45] the state Republican office today. Now,

[18:47] I did talk to somebody in the governor's

[18:48] office, the press office, who said that

[18:50] he's not going to endorse for a while.

[18:52] He's going to wait and see how things

[18:53] go. Alexander's wife is from Texas.

[18:55] She's from Victoria, Texas. Nonetheless,

[18:58] he remains somewhat unknown here, and

[19:00] the state is still pretty solid for

[19:02] Dole, but but he would be wise to take

[19:04] nothing for granted, and that's

[19:05] certainly what Republican leaders are

[19:07] realizing.

[19:07] >> And you think it could change in time?

[19:10] >> Of course, the uh the vote isn't until

[19:12] March 12th. Of course, it could. Lee, do

[19:14] you think that Pat Pap Buchanan's

[19:16] success is a wake-up call for Democrats?

[19:18] >> Uh, a wake-up call for Democrats. Uh,

[19:21] yes. I think it certainly could be. I I

[19:23] would imagine they're taking notice of

[19:25] the issues that uh he is finding

[19:27] resonate with the people and and

[19:30] certainly this this issue of this this

[19:33] great disconnection between success uh

[19:36] of the company and the situation of the

[19:38] workers has got to be addressed. Uh, I

[19:41] think it needs to be addressed by the

[19:42] companies themselves. I think it needs

[19:43] to be addressed by the government

[19:45] encouraging the creation of new

[19:47] companies. That's where new opportunity

[19:49] comes from. But these issues do need to

[19:51] be addressed by both parties. No doubt

[19:53] about it.

[19:54] >> Mike Barnacle, the the primary in your

[19:56] state in Massachusetts is less than or

[19:58] it's just a little more than 10 days

[20:00] away. How do you see it turning out at

[20:03] this point? At this point, I would think

[20:05] Senator Dole would be ahead. Uh if

[20:08] Democrats could vote in the Republican

[20:10] primary, Pat Buchanan would win. Uh his

[20:13] his message is is it's got wide

[20:17] acceptance among workingclass Democrats

[20:19] in this state. And if there were

[20:20] crossovers, he would win. He would beat

[20:23] Bob Dole despite Governor Weld having

[20:25] endorsed Senator Dole. the the his

[20:28] message

[20:29] that that part of it that that I I've

[20:32] I've been talking about in terms of

[20:34] people being afraid of what's going to

[20:36] happen, losing hope, losing in hope in

[20:38] terms of, you know, what they're going

[20:39] to be able to do for their children five

[20:41] and six years down the road. That part

[20:43] of his message is tremendously powerful.

[20:46] And we've had people in Washington, the

[20:48] speaker of the house, the president of

[20:49] the United States, senators on both

[20:51] sides of the aisle in the senate talking

[20:53] for eight or nine weeks about are we

[20:55] going to use congressional budget office

[20:56] numbers or OM numbers. It's meaningless

[20:59] to people who live real lives. Buchanan

[21:02] comes along and says you've been working

[21:04] at a place for 11 years, the Edison, the

[21:06] phone company, whatever. They're going

[21:08] to sell your company. You're going to

[21:09] lose your job. You're going to be 51

[21:10] years old making $18 an hour, and you're

[21:12] going to be suddenly looking at maybe

[21:13] making $6 an hour if you're lucky. They

[21:15] don't like you. I'm your guy. And

[21:17] they're saying, "Hey, Pat, pop them."

[21:19] >> Bill Wong, how about that? In

[21:20] California, some of the critics in the

[21:22] Republican party of Buchanan say he

[21:24] sounds like a liberal Democrat. Is that

[21:26] going to resonate among Democrats in

[21:27] California?

[21:28] >> Well, it it certainly is. I had a chance

[21:29] to talk to some labor leaders in the Bay

[21:32] Area here. And what was ironic about uh

[21:35] their point of view is that they like

[21:37] part of his message. They like the fact

[21:39] that he is uh pointing out the economic

[21:42] insecurities and uh bashing corporate

[21:45] America for uh downsizing and taking the

[21:48] profits or exporting jobs, but they

[21:50] really hate the messenger. And I think

[21:52] the labor leaders I talked to were

[21:54] basically more angry at the Democratic

[21:56] party. Uh and as I noted uh on a recent

[22:00] show that that President Clinton's uh

[22:03] State of the Union address seemed to

[22:05] really sound more Republican than

[22:07] Democratic and avoided the job in

[22:09] security issue, which is a very huge

[22:10] issue that Buchanan has has been able to

[22:13] tap into. So there is a concern uh among

[22:17] Californians who are progressive that uh

[22:20] Buchanan is co-opting a Democratic

[22:22] message.

[22:23] >> Cynthia Tucker, what about Alexander? Do

[22:25] you think that he is going to move up?

[22:27] He's from a state bordering your state.

[22:30] >> Alexander uh may be a bit little bit

[22:33] better known in Georgia because he's a

[22:35] former governor of Tennessee than he is

[22:37] in Texas, for example. But the Alexander

[22:40] campaign is already beginning to run out

[22:43] of money and he's got some primaries

[22:45] he's got to compete in before he gets to

[22:47] Georgia on March 5th. So, I'm not sure

[22:50] that he's going to have the financing in

[22:52] place that he needs to compete

[22:55] effectively in Georgia. Pat Buchanan, on

[22:58] the other hand, has a message that is so

[23:00] resounding with so many people that,

[23:03] interestingly enough, he doesn't need

[23:04] that much money. He does well despite

[23:07] running a shoestring campaign. I think

[23:10] there is something else noteworthy about

[23:12] Pat Buchanan. It is absolutely true that

[23:15] both mainstream Republicans and

[23:18] mainstream Democrats have failed to take

[23:21] note of the economic anxieties of voters

[23:24] and Pat Buchanan is capitalizing on

[23:26] that. But it is fascinating to me to

[23:28] watch these mainstream Republicans in

[23:31] such fear of a Pat Buchanan candidacy

[23:35] when in fact Pat Buchanan is in large

[23:37] part their creation. They gave him a

[23:40] major platform at the GOP convention in

[23:42] Houston in 1992 in which he gave this

[23:47] really frightening hate-mongering speech

[23:49] about cultural war warfare that sent

[23:53] chills up and down my spine and

[23:55] Republican delegates applauded him

[23:58] heartily. It is also true while Pat

[24:01] Buchanan is the person who goes after

[24:04] the jugular on attacking immigrants for

[24:07] example as contributing to the uh

[24:10] economic woes of native born Americans.

[24:12] In fact, many respectable Republicans

[24:16] have been pandering to those fears as

[24:18] well. They've all bashed immigration to

[24:21] some extent or the other. They have all

[24:24] bashed uh affirmative action to some

[24:26] extent or the other. And so it it is

[24:29] interesting to now watch them look

[24:32] around and say, "Well, where did Pat

[24:34] Buchanan come from?" He came out of the

[24:36] heart of the Republican party.

[24:38] >> Patrick McGwigan, do you have anything

[24:39] to say about that?

[24:40] >> Well, first of all, they didn't give Pat

[24:42] Buchanan a form in 1992. He earned it by

[24:44] the number of delegates he gained

[24:46] through the fair process of the

[24:47] Republican primaries. The second thing

[24:49] is I want to propose for everyone to

[24:52] contemplate playing off of something

[24:53] Bill pointed out the last time we were

[24:55] together when he talked about this

[24:57] anxiety in the middle class and in among

[24:59] the working people in America. There are

[25:01] two highly trusted groups that I think

[25:04] are going to help decide the outcome of

[25:06] this election for the Republicans. They

[25:08] are small business and farmers. Both of

[25:11] them score unusually high with fellow

[25:14] citizens as being trusted groups of

[25:16] people. the battle for small business

[25:19] where twothirds of all new jobs are

[25:21] created and in a state like Oklahoma

[25:22] it's actually 90% of all new jobs. I

[25:26] think the battle for the hearts and

[25:27] minds of main street business people

[25:29] small independent businesses is going to

[25:32] be a crucial part of this as well as how

[25:34] this farm issue plays out here in the

[25:36] west. I want to propose that for

[25:38] everybody to think about because I think

[25:40] Buchanan does have some vulnerabilities

[25:43] in appealing to farmers because of his

[25:45] protectionist ideas, but he resonates

[25:48] with farmers and with small business

[25:50] because of his views on moral issues.

[25:52] >> Okay, thank you all very much.

[25:55] >> Still to come on the NewsHour tonight,

[25:56] Shields and Jigo, a failed housing

[25:59] project and night school.

[26:12] Now, how all of this looks this Friday

[26:13] night to Shields and Jigo. Syndicated

[26:15] columnist Mark Shields, Wall Street

[26:17] Journal columnist Paul Jigo. First,

[26:20] Paul, what do you think of the Mike

[26:21] Barnacle Vchip theory that there that

[26:23] the the voters at least up the ones he's

[26:26] observed just tune out the part of what

[26:29] Mike of what Pat Buchanan says they

[26:31] don't like and they just listen to what

[26:32] they do like. Some people use the Vchip

[26:35] and some don't. Uh I think that there

[26:38] are a lot of Republicans who remember

[26:39] what Pat Buchanan uh stood for in 1988

[26:43] in 1992. His views are actually fairly

[26:45] wellnown. I I do think though that this

[26:48] campaign there is no comparison with Pat

[26:51] Buchanan to the last one. He's so much

[26:53] better. I mean he he's running uh with

[26:56] with little money. He's running like

[26:58] Stonewall Jackson against the Union

[27:00] Army. He's running circles around him.

[27:01] He's going to flying out of New

[27:02] Hampshire, flying to Mount Rushmore,

[27:04] standing in front of the presidents and

[27:05] quoting, "All four presidents support my

[27:07] policy." Um, he's running a much better

[27:10] campaign and those messages that he's

[27:13] that he's hitting are resonating better.

[27:15] He's more optimistic about him in many

[27:17] respects. Uh, so I I in in some respects

[27:20] he's it's not that people are tuning out

[27:22] the other stuff. It's he's running a

[27:23] better campaign.

[27:24] >> What about Cynthia's point, Mark, that

[27:26] he that the Republican establishment

[27:28] says, "Hey, where did this guy come

[27:30] from?" She says, "Hey, he came from the

[27:32] Republican party."

[27:33] >> Well, Cynthia is right. I mean, Pat

[27:35] Buchanan's credentials as a Republican

[27:37] certainly are stronger and longer,

[27:39] strong and long as most people in the

[27:41] field. Uh, he worked for Richard Nixon.

[27:44] He was a loyalist right to the end. Uh,

[27:46] he worked for Ronald Reagan. Uh, and

[27:49] he's and he's been an ardent pmacist for

[27:51] the party for a long time in the

[27:52] conservative positions within the party.

[27:54] They make an enormous mistake. The

[27:56] Republican establishment is in my

[27:57] judgment. They are turning Pat Buchanan

[27:59] into a sympathetic underdog

[28:02] irrespective of positions that it's

[28:04] Goliath. They're piling on. I mean face

[28:07] suit after suit after suit stands up

[28:09] there and uses adjectives and attacking

[28:11] him. Ignorant, stupid. That's known in

[28:13] the business, Jim, as blame the

[28:14] customer. They're blame. They're telling

[28:16] the voters who voted for him they're

[28:17] dumb. All right. There have been four

[28:19] contests. He's won three and had one

[28:21] second. All right. Lamar Alexander,

[28:23] who's a wonderful governor and and a

[28:25] splendid candidate. This isn't the

[28:28] Olympics. I mean, a third place doesn't

[28:29] get you a silver medal here. I mean, he

[28:31] has he started telling Bob Dole to get

[28:33] out of the race and he hasn't he hasn't

[28:35] even finished better than third

[28:36] anywhere. I mean, I honestly think that

[28:38] they're making an enormous mistake. It

[28:40] started with the Huntley the Brinkley

[28:42] show last week when Sam Donaldson and

[28:44] George Will who don't agree on anything

[28:45] jumped on on Pat Buchanan and Frank

[28:49] Farenth Ronald Reagan's Republican

[28:50] National said he had never seen anybody

[28:52] handle negative attack better in his

[28:55] life than than Pat Buchanan which

[28:57] reinforces Paul's point.

[28:58] >> But what about what about some of the

[28:59] issues that these folks are raising?

[29:01] Mayor Giuliani of of uh New York said

[29:04] that has raised serious questions about

[29:06] anti-semitism view, anti-semitic views

[29:08] that that Pat Buchanan has and bigotry

[29:11] as it relates to race and all of that.

[29:13] Shouldn't they shouldn't those questions

[29:14] be raised if somebody is that piling on

[29:16] Paul or is that just a legitimate thing

[29:18] to raise? I think those that is well

[29:21] known about Pat Buchanan and I don't

[29:24] think that it really helps Republicans

[29:26] now to I I agree thoroughly with Mark on

[29:29] this point about calling him names and

[29:32] using adjectives and using you can't

[29:34] beat him with epithets. You can't beat

[29:37] him by using the language of liberals in

[29:40] a Republican primary. The same language

[29:42] liberals use against Bob Dole extremism

[29:45] and all that. You have to go after his

[29:47] arguments. Bob Dole spent in in in in in

[29:50] New Hampshire tens of thousands of

[29:52] dollars calling Lamar Alexander a

[29:54] liberal and it works somewhat. He ought

[29:56] to call Pat Buchanan a liberal because

[29:58] despite the point about Republicans

[30:00] having created Pat Buchanan on

[30:03] economics, he's pretty much gone to the

[30:05] other side of the fence. Buchanan is

[30:08] really doing some things with great

[30:09] skill. He's claiming the mantle of

[30:11] Goldwater and Reagan and he's running on

[30:13] the economics of Dick Gart and David

[30:15] Bonner. And I think that's where well

[30:18] you buy that it's it's get him 27%. It

[30:21] hasn't won him the nomination. What

[30:23] Republicans have to do is they have to

[30:24] go and what some of them are starting to

[30:26] some of the cooler heads is to say look

[30:28] Pat Buchanan has hit a nerve. His

[30:30] diagnosis is right

[30:31] >> but he's selling snake oil as a remedy.

[30:34] He's selling something that isn't going

[30:35] to raise the incomes like he says. In

[30:37] fact it's going to lead to decline and

[30:39] hurt your incomes. Now, what about

[30:41] Charles Crowutamemer's point? A

[30:42] columnist in the Washington Post this

[30:44] morning said that essentially what

[30:46] Buchanan has done is killed the

[30:48] Republican revolution because he's out

[30:50] there saying these guys in Washington

[30:52] can't be trusted. These guys in

[30:53] Washington are not listen to these guys

[30:55] in Washington won't take care of your

[30:56] problems. And his point is, hey, hey,

[30:58] it's our guys in the Republicans, D.

[31:00] Gingrich and and the Republican

[31:02] Congress, and he's blown the whole deal.

[31:04] >> Pat Buchanan didn't do that. He was the

[31:06] Paul Rivere. He announced that it was

[31:08] over. I mean, Phil Graham ran on the on

[31:10] the Republican revolution. Phil Graham

[31:11] was the distilled essence of the

[31:14] Republican revolution. And Phil Graham's

[31:15] back in Texas now trying to scramble to

[31:17] run for re-election to the Senate. I

[31:19] mean, it was it was over, Jim. I mean,

[31:21] there's no question about I mean, what

[31:22] what Mike Barnacle said, I I think Pat

[31:24] Buchanan has stepped into it. Paul says

[31:26] he's identified a problem. There's a

[31:27] problem there, and people are upset, but

[31:29] he's got the wrong remedy. Well, what

[31:31] are the other remedies? A balanced

[31:33] budget amendment. That's a remedy for

[31:34] people's flat incomes. uh a flat taxes

[31:37] people's right I mean people are looking

[31:38] at that and say wait a minute there's at

[31:40] least one guy in the whole race it isn't

[31:42] it isn't on the Democratic side it is on

[31:43] the Republican side who's talking about

[31:45] the problems that we face the three out

[31:47] of four American males who did not

[31:49] graduate from college who've seen their

[31:50] lives flatten

[31:51] >> and you and and you can't do it by

[31:53] raising taxes on the border I mean

[31:54] that's that that that's one problem with

[31:56] Buchanan but Mark is is is right in the

[31:58] sense that what's happened in the

[32:00] Republican party and it's been true for

[32:01] a long time it's been true really for a

[32:03] number of years there has been a gap.

[32:06] The growth wing of the party, the the

[32:08] Jack Kemp wing has really not had a

[32:10] candidate in this race. Steve Forbes

[32:12] tried it and when he enter came in with

[32:14] a flat tax offering, frankly, as

[32:15] something that would promote growth and

[32:17] spur the economy, remember a flat tax as

[32:19] a tax cut. The Republic other

[32:21] Republicans chewed him to bits.

[32:23] >> They really went after it

[32:24] >> and they used Democratic arguments to do

[32:26] it. Re giving Buchanan an opening as as

[32:28] the only one who was speaking to these

[32:30] concerns. Now, N. Gingrich issued a memo

[32:33] today, in fact, that said, "Well, maybe

[32:36] we ought to start thinking about

[32:37] growth." And and one of the mistakes the

[32:38] Republicans made the whole last year was

[32:40] they only talked about the balanced

[32:42] budget. They never put it in a broader

[32:44] context that said, "We can help you grow

[32:46] the economy."

[32:47] >> Where does Pat Buchanan fit into the

[32:49] Republican revolution that we've been

[32:51] talking about on this program for the

[32:52] last year?

[32:54] >> The the Republican revolution, Jim, is

[32:57] is a congressional experience. This is a

[32:59] president. That's right. It's a this is

[33:01] a this is a presidential election. I

[33:03] mean both parties I mean our parties are

[33:05] are sort of these great large vessels

[33:08] and whoever fills them up defines which

[33:10] way they're sailing and who becomes the

[33:11] presidential nominee. It it it isn't the

[33:14] congressional agenda. I mean Nuke

[33:15] Gingrich in fairness to N. Gingrich he

[33:17] was the one who attacked and was

[33:19] probably the most devastating in the

[33:20] attack upon the Steve Forbes. I agree

[33:22] with that. I agree with that. No

[33:23] question. I agree with that. But the the

[33:25] what what Pat Buchanan is writing is the

[33:28] same anti-establishment, anti-W

[33:30] Washington volatility that has shaped

[33:32] and directed American politics for the

[33:34] 90s. It elected Bill Clinton in 1992 and

[33:37] it unelected George Bush. It unelected

[33:39] Bill Clinton's Democrats in 1994. It

[33:41] elected a Republican Congress and it's

[33:42] about to diselect a Republican Congress

[33:44] in 96.

[33:45] >> But that's my point which I'm not I'm

[33:46] not making very well here, Paul. Why is

[33:49] it that when Buchanan makes that

[33:51] statement to a group of Republicans

[33:53] that, hey, the guys in Washington can't

[33:55] be trusted, whatever, that they don't

[33:56] say, hey, those are our guys now. Why

[33:58] don't they respond that way? I mean, why

[34:00] has that message not gotten over to rank

[34:02] and file Republicans?

[34:03] >> Well, one of the interesting exit poll

[34:04] numbers in New Hampshire that wasn't

[34:07] widely publicized was that of the voters

[34:10] in that primary, 48% said the

[34:13] Republicans in Congress hadn't gone far

[34:15] enough. They hadn't really done much at

[34:18] all to re and and certainly they hadn't

[34:21] passed a good deal of their agenda. I

[34:23] mean, it's been stalled. It's been

[34:25] stopped by a president who vetoed these

[34:27] things. And that's the kind of thing

[34:28] that that's the kind of case that Bob

[34:30] Dole in his

[34:31] >> So, it may have looked like a revolution

[34:32] here, but it doesn't look like a

[34:33] revolution out there.

[34:34] >> Certainly doesn't out on out on the

[34:36] ground. No, that's absolutely right.

[34:37] >> There's a widening gap, Jim, between the

[34:39] party establishment and the grassroots.

[34:41] It's true on the Democratic side. It's

[34:43] true on the Republican side. And it's

[34:44] becoming acutely visible in this

[34:46] campaign. I mean, the enthusiasm, the

[34:49] passion, the zeal in Texas is in the

[34:52] Buchanan campaign. The party

[34:54] establishment is with Bob Dole. Uh, and

[34:57] it's a it's a question. I mean, whe

[34:59] whether in fact they're going to be able

[35:00] to deliver.

[35:01] >> Yeah. What uh quickly what kind of marks

[35:03] do you give uh Senator Dole on how he's

[35:06] conducted himself since Tuesday and

[35:08] those results? We're sitting here 3 days

[35:09] later, four days later. Well, the the

[35:11] remark of of make an extreme point that

[35:14] was a mistake calling him extreme. I

[35:16] thought I thought thought it was a

[35:17] mistake to skip the debate.

[35:18] >> The one in Arizona last

[35:21] Pat Buchanan might win Arizona. I think

[35:23] he's probably the favorite to win in

[35:24] Arizona right now and Bob and that would

[35:26] certainly hurt Bob Dole going into these

[35:28] southern ring of primaries. Particularly

[35:30] because one of the problems, the doubts

[35:32] about Bob Dole that a lot of Republicans

[35:34] have is can he make the case? And if he

[35:37] shies away from getting into a position

[35:38] where he can make the case, it just

[35:40] feeds those doubts.

[35:41] >> And does he have to make the case? Is he

[35:43] stuck with making the case for the

[35:44] revolution, the congressional case? Is

[35:46] that

[35:46] >> No, I think I think what I think what he

[35:48] is get what the Pat Buchanan candidacy

[35:50] is given the Dole campaign finally a

[35:52] sense of mission and a sense of vision.

[35:54] I mean, he wants the Republican party

[35:56] that isn't Pat Buchanan's Republican

[35:58] party. I think that's what he can do and

[35:59] make the argument against him and I

[36:00] think that's what he has to do. I think

[36:01] Pat Buchanan made a serious mistake this

[36:03] week. Paul disagrees with me by going to

[36:05] South Dakota. It is a photo opportunity,

[36:07] Jim.

[36:07] >> You mean Mount Rushmore

[36:08] >> that no presidential candidate can

[36:10] resist. All right. They all want to go

[36:12] to Mount Rushmore and be seen. And when

[36:14] they look at it, people look at they

[36:15] say, "Wait a minute. There's Jefferson.

[36:17] There's Teddy Roosevelt. There's Abraham

[36:19] Lincoln and George Washington. I don't

[36:20] care who it is. I don't care if it's

[36:21] Franklin Roosevelt. He doesn't stack

[36:23] up." And but they they all love to do

[36:25] it. They love to go. Now, if he wins the

[36:26] South Dakota primary, I will eat him

[36:29] if

[36:30] >> he comes close.

[36:31] >> Yeah. Before we go, um Pat Brown, former

[36:34] governor of uh California, died since we

[36:37] last spoke. Uh what is his legacy? How

[36:39] how should we remember him politically?

[36:40] >> Well, I mean, as a as a good and decent

[36:42] man, first of all, but uh when Pat Brown

[36:45] was governor of California, not only was

[36:47] it a time of unlimited possibilities in

[36:49] this country, I mean, it was 1958 to

[36:52] 1966. He built the water projects that

[36:55] made California the agricultural giant

[36:57] of the country. He built the public

[37:00] college and university system that made

[37:02] California the model for the rest of the

[37:03] country. He built the freeways. It was a

[37:05] time of can do. When Pat Brown was

[37:07] governor of California, every Monday

[37:08] morning, it was like a new city of

[37:10] 50,000 people. People were just

[37:11] screaming in them was coming in. That

[37:13] there had to be schools. There had to be

[37:15] roads. There had to be recreation for

[37:16] all of them. And it was it was a time of

[37:18] unlimited growth, unlimited optimism.

[37:20] And California then is probably the

[37:22] golden golden era of California.

[37:24] >> It symbolized everything for I mean in

[37:25] terms of the future. Oh, no question

[37:27] about it. I mean, the home office of

[37:28] American optimism was in California when

[37:30] Pat Brown was

[37:31] >> governor. Anything you want to add or

[37:32] subtract?

[37:33] >> His slogan in 1962 running against

[37:34] Richard Dixon was think big.

[37:36] >> Uh, and and in in a way he represented

[37:39] the he was he presided in California in

[37:41] the heyday of liberal government and

[37:44] possibility when government was seen as

[37:46] an an agent of progress, an agent of

[37:49] creating opportunity. Yet he also in the

[37:51] course of that by creating entitlements

[37:54] and by spending so much did create the

[37:56] back the the the environment for a

[37:58] backlash that Ronald Reagan capitalized

[38:01] on to become governor in 1996

[38:04] ' 66 I'm sorry and then his own son

[38:07] >> who became govern Jerry Brown instead of

[38:10] saying think big when he was governor

[38:11] said this is an era of limits.

[38:15] >> Okay and speaking of limits we've

[38:16] reached ours tonight. Thank you both

[38:18] very much.

[38:29] Now, what happens to the tenants when a

[38:31] public housing project fails? Spencer

[38:33] Michaels reports from San Francisco.

[38:37] In a little visited part of San

[38:39] Francisco, hard by the southern city

[38:41] limits, Geneva Towers rises above

[38:43] Visitation Valley. Built privately in

[38:46] the 60s as housing for airport workers,

[38:48] the developer soon realized he couldn't

[38:50] rent the twin 19-story towers to

[38:53] middleclass tenants. So he turned the

[38:55] building into lowincome housing and

[38:57] obtained federal mortgage insurance

[38:59] designed for that purpose.

[39:02] Geneva Towers soon became a ghetto for

[39:04] the poor. Nice at first, it deteriorated

[39:07] quickly. Seria Johnson moved in with her

[39:10] mother 25 years ago.

[39:12] noise, crime, drugs, fighting. Put it

[39:17] this way. When you left in the morning,

[39:20] you you were gone all day and you came

[39:22] home and you were in your house and you

[39:25] locked the door and you didn't want to

[39:26] have anything to do with whatever was

[39:28] going on outside your door.

[39:31] >> Inside, elevators often didn't work,

[39:33] causing 20inut waits. The plumbing was

[39:36] dreadful. Heat was spotty. Electricity

[39:39] sometimes shut down. is going to have a

[39:42] new new room to take care of

[39:45] >> temporarily.

[39:47] >> Johnson has her own two children today

[39:49] and they were among the last residents

[39:51] to move out of Geneva Towers. HUD, the

[39:54] Department of Housing and Urban

[39:56] Development, which insured the mortgage,

[39:58] took over the building in 1991 because

[40:01] of the poor conditions, the first time

[40:03] the department had ever done that. Major

[40:06] improvements were made, but now the

[40:08] government is preparing to tear it down.

[40:10] Local HUD director Art Agnos is a former

[40:13] San Francisco mayor.

[40:14] >> Over the last three and a half years or

[40:17] so, we've had to spend an average of

[40:19] $600,000 a month to make this safe and

[40:22] secure. Not to mention over $6 million

[40:25] just to bring it up to a habitable

[40:27] standard. We simply can't afford to do

[40:29] that for this building. And therefore,

[40:31] we made the tough decision in

[40:33] cooperation with the people who live

[40:35] here to tear it down and rebuild the

[40:38] kinds of units that really would be

[40:40] appropriate for the people who live here

[40:42] as well as the neighborhood.

[40:44] >> HUD and the city decided to replace both

[40:46] buildings with low-rise housing,

[40:49] provided a nonprofit developer can find

[40:51] a way to finance it. More homes for

[40:54] low-income tenants are planned across

[40:55] the street from the towers. Former

[40:58] residents will have first crack at them.

[41:00] This fence is a new fence. Uh, it was

[41:02] put in by HUD after they took it over.

[41:04] Prior to the fence going in, there was a

[41:06] fair amount of drug dealing from this

[41:08] building to the building several blocks

[41:09] away.

[41:10] >> Ted Dinsfree directs the mayor's housing

[41:12] office, which is working with HUD to

[41:15] relocate Geneva Towers tenants.

[41:18] >> This housing does not fit in into the

[41:20] neighborhood as it currently stands and

[41:23] uh has caused all types of of problems.

[41:26] It has isolated the residents in the

[41:28] buildings,

[41:29] >> but no one is sure how long it will take

[41:32] to build new housing or if federal money

[41:35] and other incentives to build lowcost

[41:37] housing will still be available. So, the

[41:40] top priority has been moving the 2 to

[41:42] 3,000 people out. HUD is spending up to

[41:46] $3,000 per resident in relocation,

[41:49] finding new homes, and promising to pay

[41:52] most of the rent with federal vouchers.

[41:54] We just got in under the wire with

[41:56] existing funds that are locked away in

[41:58] the bank that can't be taken away by any

[42:01] uh new Congress. We can't do what we saw

[42:03] in the 50s where neighborhoods were

[42:05] bulldozed by the federal government and

[42:07] people just told to get out. In fact,

[42:10] the federal government has even paid for

[42:12] taxis for residents and relocation

[42:15] workers as they searched for replacement

[42:17] housing. While a few residents protested

[42:20] the demolition plans as an attack on the

[42:22] black community, most others appear

[42:25] satisfied with what the city and HUD are

[42:27] doing. That was a positive move for them

[42:30] to to to provide the cabs, to provide

[42:33] people whose job 8 hours a day is to

[42:37] find you someplace to live, someplace

[42:39] acceptable where and someplace um where

[42:44] you're comfortable. Why do you need this

[42:46] kind of help?

[42:48] Well, everybody needs help sometime or

[42:50] another. You know, you can't play

[42:52] Superwoman all the time.

[42:54] >> Finding a new place was difficult. With

[42:56] the help of relocation workers, the

[42:58] family finally found a pleasant

[43:00] townhouse to rent within sight of the

[43:03] doomed Geneva Towers.

[43:06] The demolition plans mean a loss of jobs

[43:08] for 103 maintenance workers in a

[43:11] community where jobs are scarce. Many of

[43:14] them lived in the Towers, including

[43:16] 25year-old Stephanie Burch, who was

[43:19] making $15 an hour. Until she finds

[43:22] another job, she will require more

[43:25] subsidy from HUD to pay rent at a new

[43:28] rental home she has found with a San

[43:30] Francisco Bay view. Stephanie grew up in

[43:33] the towers with her mother, Linda, and

[43:35] her sisters and brother. She now has

[43:37] three children of her own. At Geneva

[43:40] Tower, she didn't have to worry about

[43:42] paying for garbage collection, water, or

[43:44] electricity. So, she has mixed emotions

[43:47] about leaving, although she likes her

[43:49] new home.

[43:50] >> I like the place. I like the view. I

[43:54] >> I like my neighbors.

[43:56] >> I was spoiled in Geneva Towers, and now

[43:58] I have It's like it's teaching me

[44:00] better. Geneva Towers, we were in our

[44:02] own little world. Now we're

[44:05] we're hitting the real world. Even with

[44:07] a HUD voucher called a section 8 to pay

[44:10] most of her rent, Stephanie Burch had a

[44:13] hard time finding a place.

[44:14] >> A lot of people do not want to rent to

[44:17] people on section 8. They they say that

[44:20] they tear their places up. Um

[44:25] just a they don't like people with

[44:27] section 8. They don't like they don't

[44:28] want anyone in their house with low

[44:30] income.

[44:31] >> Stephanie was happy to find a

[44:32] sympathetic landlord in her new

[44:34] townhouse. She currently pays $457

[44:38] of her $1,100 a month rent, about normal

[44:41] in highcost San Francisco.

[44:43] >> We're an enormously generous society.

[44:47] Uh which is something we should all be

[44:49] pleased about that that that we we are

[44:52] continually try to find ways to assist

[44:55] people who have not been able to yet

[44:59] join the economic mainstream of the

[45:01] society. Dinsfree believes the big

[45:04] federal and city effort being made here

[45:06] is an experiment.

[45:08] >> We're also committed to uh trying to

[45:11] coordinate the housing with social

[45:13] services and job training so that uh to

[45:17] to see whether we're clever enough or

[45:19] imaginative enough to to improve the

[45:21] social and economic conditions of a

[45:23] whole neighborhood.

[45:24] >> Housing replacement is only one part of

[45:27] the plan.

[45:29] Geneva Towers was a community center as

[45:32] well as a living space. Children at

[45:34] Geneva Towers heavily attended a

[45:36] recreation room on the premises with a

[45:39] senior center in an adjacent room.

[45:42] Classes in dance were held on the first

[45:44] floor next to a health center for the

[45:46] residents.

[45:48] The towers served as a distribution

[45:50] point for free food every month. And in

[45:53] the fenced in field next to the

[45:55] building, coaches tried to teach sports

[45:57] skills and raise youngsters self-esteem.

[46:01] With the towers gone, a nearby housing

[46:04] project, Sunnydale, which is in horrible

[46:06] condition, has what few social services

[46:09] are available in Visitation Valley.

[46:11] Officials admit it is a needy and

[46:13] neglected part of San Francisco.

[46:16] Now, the city has allocated $600,000

[46:19] to move many of those services to this

[46:22] empty building and add more in an

[46:24] attempt to unite and serve the community

[46:26] that is left.

[46:28] >> Now, I'm giving you this because you're

[46:29] going to work hard in school, right?

[46:31] >> Huh?

[46:32] >> Anthony Lincoln, who grew up poor in

[46:34] Sunnydale, is coordinating those

[46:36] efforts. He sees something positive

[46:38] coming from the demolition. What's nice

[46:41] about it coming down is that I think

[46:44] that it's going to bring many different

[46:45] facets of this community together and

[46:48] you know something that actually is a

[46:50] tragedy in terms of coming down. Now

[46:52] we're looking at bringing the community

[46:53] together to talk about what's going to

[46:55] come in place of that and I think that's

[46:56] a positive.

[46:58] >> Another goal of the city is to break up

[47:00] the large concentration of very poor

[47:02] people. According to Ted Dinsfrey,

[47:05] >> we rebuild housing on this site and on

[47:07] the site across the street, we will not

[47:09] have economic segregation. We will have

[47:10] a mixture of very low-income households

[47:13] households and moderate income

[47:14] households.

[47:16] >> But whether all those plans ever come to

[47:18] fruition depends upon financing and that

[47:21] depends upon Congress.

[47:23] >> So the future is not clear. We don't

[47:25] know what Congress wants to do and we

[47:27] have not really convinced the majority

[47:29] of voters in this country that that we

[47:31] can do the job well.

[47:33] Geneva Tower residents like Seria

[47:35] Johnson trust that things will work out

[47:38] the one we have now. Right.

[47:39] >> This is a growing thing.

[47:41] >> It's a growing thing for me. It's a

[47:43] growing thing for my children. We've had

[47:45] our rough times and our good times and

[47:46] our bad times, but this is a good time

[47:48] and and I want it to continue to be a

[47:51] good time.

[47:52] >> City and HUD officials are optimistic

[47:55] also. But despite the mood in Congress,

[47:57] they will find the money to rebuild and

[48:00] revitalize this neighborhood.

[48:10] Finally tonight, a new twist on the old

[48:13] idea of night school. Rod Minet of KCTS

[48:16] Seattle reports.

[48:20] >> Please stand for the pledge of

[48:21] allegiance.

[48:23] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[48:25] United States of America. These high

[48:28] school students in Lacy, Washington,

[48:30] start school when most other classes

[48:32] have ended.

[48:32] >> Good night. New Century.

[48:34] >> New Century is Washington State's only

[48:36] public evening high school, where

[48:38] classes begin at 2:30 p.m. and end at

[48:41] 8:40 p.m. 16-year-old Jessica Stockdale

[48:44] is one of 230 students who have

[48:46] volunteered for the night shift.

[48:48] >> Most of my day school friends are like,

[48:50] "Um, well, how can you stay up so late

[48:53] and do all that so late at night?" Well,

[48:55] it's like, well, how can you be up so

[48:56] early in the morning and do your

[48:59] schoolwork in the morning? The point I

[49:01] bring up is I just work better at night.

[49:03] And

[49:05] during the day, when most of her friends

[49:07] are at school, she goes to work at a

[49:09] part-time day job as a clerical

[49:11] assistant.

[49:14] >> Right now, it's really good experience

[49:16] for me, and it will help me get a job, a

[49:19] better job in the future than just

[49:21] working at a fast food restaurant. cuz

[49:24] I'll have um clerical work, secretary

[49:27] work on my resume and that'll look

[49:29] better than a fast food restaurant. So,

[49:33] >> new sentin which shares its space with a

[49:36] normal day school was started in part

[49:38] because of overcrowding at neighboring

[49:40] schools. Washington ranks third among

[49:42] states with the most crowded classrooms

[49:44] and projections show it will get much

[49:46] worse. According to the US Department of

[49:49] Education, within a decade, western

[49:51] states will see a 40% jump in high

[49:54] school enrollment. Gail McBride is New

[49:56] Century's principal. She says the night

[49:59] school has helped alleviate overcrowding

[50:01] since opening its doors 6 years ago.

[50:03] >> At the time, there were two large high

[50:05] schools that were built for

[50:07] approximately 1,200 students, and they

[50:09] were housing 17. And that changes things

[50:13] quite a bit. The halls get very crowded

[50:15] and the resources are are stretched

[50:18] thin. It's a very costefficient program.

[50:22] It's um use a facility twice. We have no

[50:26] construction costs that are go into the

[50:29] millions of dollars over a series of

[50:31] years.

[50:32] >> Saving money on schools seems essential

[50:34] at a time when bond issues for education

[50:36] are routinely being defeated. So, New

[50:39] Century offers a no frrills education.

[50:43] >> The only physical education class is

[50:45] night jogging. There are no sports teams

[50:47] and no school band. But some students

[50:49] seem to prefer this environment.

[50:51] According to principal McBride,

[50:53] >> they want a small school environment and

[50:56] they want an education. They want a good

[50:57] education. They want to focus on

[50:59] academics. Some come because

[51:02] um it's a refuge from the pompoms,

[51:06] the athletics, the

[51:09] social pressure that those activities

[51:12] um put on young people.

[51:15] >> In fact, standardized test scores show

[51:17] night school students doing better than

[51:19] their daytime counterparts. New Century

[51:22] Math and Science teacher Rosalyn

[51:23] Phillips sees night school as an

[51:25] essential part of the education wave of

[51:27] the future. I think this idea of having

[51:30] schools be open for longer periods of

[51:32] time and using the facilities more

[51:35] wisely is one that's going to happen.

[51:37] And whether it's two separate schools

[51:39] like Miss Century and Riveridge are or

[51:42] whether it's one school with a with an

[51:43] extended day that goes from 7:00 in the

[51:45] morning to 9:00 at night, I think we're

[51:47] going to see that particularly when we

[51:49] look at the fact that how we finance

[51:53] schools in this state. I think that

[51:55] rather than continuing to build new

[51:56] buildings all the time, we are going to

[51:58] have to look at some more um efficient

[52:00] use of our space.

[52:02] >> But not everybody is convinced about

[52:04] night schooling. In Puallup, Washington,

[52:06] where three bond issues for a new high

[52:08] school have failed in the last two

[52:10] years, overcrowding has reached a crisis

[52:12] point. According to Stan Cross, our

[52:15] facilities currently are so overcrowded

[52:17] now. We've been just kind of cramming

[52:19] the kids in uh each year. As an example,

[52:23] Cross says at Puallup's Rogers High,

[52:25] 1,800 students now squeeze into a

[52:28] building designed for 1,400. And you try

[52:31] to put 34 student desk into these small

[52:34] classrooms that are designed for 26. It

[52:37] is wallto-wall, student desk, and it is

[52:39] it's almost impossible for a teacher to

[52:42] to get around and work one-on-one with

[52:44] any of the kids in their own classroom.

[52:46] and uh uh it gets miserable day in and

[52:49] day out to teach in that kind of a

[52:51] facility.

[52:52] >> High school senior Anna Ericson who sits

[52:55] on a special committee charged with

[52:56] finding a solution to overcrowding says

[52:59] the board considered adding a night

[53:01] school but decided not to

[53:03] >> mostly for the reason of the disruption

[53:04] and it's it's it's hard to schedule.

[53:06] Also from an activity standpoint, it's

[53:08] really difficult to schedule football

[53:10] practices and basketball practices and

[53:12] the facilities and also if you have the

[53:13] demand of, you know, 4,000 students all

[53:16] want to use the same practice fields

[53:18] that that has become a problem as well.

[53:19] And as well as other extracurric

[53:21] activities such as music and band and

[53:23] using the performing arts at night if

[53:25] you have classes going on at things,

[53:26] there's just no time.

[53:28] >> Instead, Ericson says Puallup likely

[53:30] will extend the school day by adding

[53:32] classes earlier in the morning and later

[53:34] in the afternoon. Dick Williams of the

[53:37] University of Washington sees all these

[53:39] solutions as temporary and inadequate.

[53:42] >> Maybe we should be rethinking the way we

[53:43] fund our our schools, but as long as we

[53:46] are doing it the way we do on the basis

[53:47] of property taxes and and and the like,

[53:50] um

[53:52] uh you know, we're just going to keep

[53:54] bumping against this. And it bothers me.

[53:55] I think we should be building the

[53:57] facilities to house our children. It's a

[53:58] wonderful investment. It's an important

[54:00] investment. And we seem to be backing

[54:02] away from it and trying these other

[54:03] systems.

[54:06] By 900 p.m., Jessica Stockdale, the new

[54:08] Century Senior, heads home. But her

[54:11] night shift is far from over. There's

[54:13] still homework to be done. At least two

[54:15] more hours of study time before her

[54:18] school day ends.

[54:26] Again, the major stories of this Friday.

[54:28] The Commerce Department reported the

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[54:48] in Bosnia, the reunification of Sieo

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[55:02] Jim Lara. Thank you and good night.

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