PBS NewsHour - 1996-02-23
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[0:06] Good evening, I'm Jim Lara. On the
[0:08] NewsHour tonight, Buchanan and other
[0:10] political stories as seen by our
[0:12] regional commentators and Mark Shields
[0:14] and Paul Jigo. And two reports from the
[0:17] West. Spencer Michaels on a failed
[0:19] housing project in California. Rod Minet
[0:22] on a new kind of night school in the
[0:24] state of Washington. It all follows our
[0:26] summary of the news this Friday.
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[0:54] The Commerce Department reported today
[0:56] the nation's economy grew by 2.1% last
[1:00] year. That's the smallest increase in
[1:02] the gross domestic product since 1991.
[1:05] It was blamed on the partial federal
[1:07] government shutdowns that occurred late
[1:09] last year. The GDP measures the nation's
[1:12] economic growth rate. President Clinton
[1:15] spoke about the economy and free trade
[1:17] today in California. He went to a
[1:19] Macdonald Douglas plant to watch the Air
[1:21] Force take delivery of its 24th C17
[1:24] cargo plane. He said he saved the C17
[1:28] from congressional budget cuts. Mr.
[1:30] Clinton told Macdonald Douglas workers
[1:32] the United States should be pushing for
[1:34] free, tough, and fair trade. If you want
[1:37] your country to lead for peace and
[1:40] freedom and prosperity, the answer is
[1:42] neither to be uncritically in favor of
[1:45] free trade nor to be for pulling up the
[1:49] rug and closing our borders. The answer
[1:51] is to be for trade that is free and fair
[1:55] so everybody has a fair chance to grow
[1:58] in the global economy. That is what our
[2:00] country should stand for.
[2:02] Later today, the president will have his
[2:04] first meeting with Prime Minister
[2:06] Hashimoto of Japan. They'll discuss
[2:08] trade and reducing the American military
[2:10] presence on the island of Okinawa. The
[2:13] Republican presidential primary in
[2:15] Delaware is tomorrow. 12 delegates are
[2:17] at stake. Only Steve Forbes is
[2:19] campaigning there, but the other
[2:21] candidates are on the ballot. Most of
[2:23] the other campaigning today was in
[2:24] Arizona and North and South Dakota,
[2:27] where there are primaries next Tuesday.
[2:29] Hey, we'll have more on the Republican
[2:30] presidential race after the news
[2:32] summary. In Philadelphia today, a former
[2:35] National Security Agency employee was
[2:38] arrested for selling US secrets to
[2:40] Russia in the 1960s. Robert Lipka
[2:43] allegedly took cash from the KGB in
[2:46] exchange for classified documents. A US
[2:48] attorney provided the details. Our
[2:51] complaint charges that Lipka while in
[2:53] the United States Army during the years
[2:56] 1965 to 1967
[2:58] and assigned to the National Security
[3:00] Agency at Fort me Maryland conspired
[3:04] with officers of the KGB to transmit
[3:07] national defense information to the
[3:08] Soviet Union.
[3:10] It is charged that Lipka uh employing a
[3:14] common espionage technique
[3:16] uh that is a dead drop would hide
[3:19] pilferred documents in designated places
[3:22] for later pickup by the Soviet agency. A
[3:25] federal prosecutor at the news
[3:26] conference said Lipka had access to the
[3:29] highest secrets and even supplied Moscow
[3:31] with some of the same data the White
[3:33] House received. In Bosnia today, the
[3:36] reunification of Sievo officially began,
[3:39] but a Muslim Croat police team found a
[3:41] ghost town where a Serb suburb had been.
[3:44] Some Serbs refused to live under the new
[3:46] coalition government, saying they fear
[3:48] reprisals from their former enemies. We
[3:51] have more in this report from Robert
[3:52] Moore of Independent Television News.
[3:57] >> The police force walked in at dawn. The
[4:00] Bosnian government gaining in peace what
[4:02] they could not achieve in four years of
[4:03] bitter fighting. It was a moment for SVO
[4:06] of enormous importance. The first Serb
[4:09] area to be handed over. The first step
[4:11] to reunifying the city. As the
[4:13] government takes over here, so the
[4:15] Bosnian Serbs are fleeing.
[4:18] This morning, the very poorest, those
[4:20] who could not even afford a lift, simply
[4:22] walked out of their homes and into the
[4:25] blizzard. The suburb of Vagoska now
[4:27] stands abandoned. A ghost town that
[4:29] signals how deep is the hatred and the
[4:31] suspicion. Vagoska is just the first of
[4:34] five Serb suburbs to be handed over.
[4:37] NATO forces are patrolling in increasing
[4:38] numbers, promising security and trying
[4:41] to persuade the Serbs they too have a
[4:43] future in the Bosnian Federation.
[4:46] >> In Moscow today, Russian President Yelen
[4:49] went ahead on his own to suspend
[4:51] economic sanctions imposed on the
[4:53] Bosnian Serbs. At the UN, a US mission
[4:56] spokesman said Russia's action was
[4:58] premature. Yesterday, the commander of
[5:00] the multinational peacekeeping force in
[5:02] Bosnia decided against lifting the
[5:04] sanctions. Now, earlier in the day,
[5:06] Yeltson gave his annual state of the
[5:08] nation address. He said he was ready to
[5:10] compromise in order to bring peace to
[5:12] the breakaway Cheschna region where
[5:15] separatist and military forces have been
[5:17] in conflict for 14 months. Yeltson also
[5:20] said he would soften the blow of
[5:22] economic and democratic reforms, but
[5:24] Russia would stay on the path toward
[5:26] capitalism. Yeltson is running for
[5:28] reelection. The vote is in June. From
[5:31] Iraq, there is a report that two
[5:33] defectors who returned home from Jordan
[5:35] this week have been murdered. Iraqi
[5:37] television said the men were killed in
[5:39] Baghdad by their own relatives. The
[5:41] former head of Iraq's secret military
[5:43] program and his brother were married to
[5:45] daughters of President Saddam Hussein,
[5:47] but they defected to Jordan 6 months
[5:49] ago. They were reportedly pardoned by
[5:52] Saddam on their return. The Iraqi
[5:54] embassy in Jordan also reported that the
[5:56] men have been killed. And that's it for
[5:58] the news summary tonight. Now it's on to
[6:00] how this tumultuous week of politics
[6:02] looks to our regional commentators and
[6:05] to Shields and Jigo. A failed housing
[6:08] project and a new wrinkle to night
[6:10] school.
[6:20] Presidential politics is first tonight.
[6:22] Elizabeth Farnsworth starts us off. In
[6:25] the aftermath of his upset victory in
[6:27] the New Hampshire primary, commentator
[6:29] Patrick Buchanan's fiery brand of social
[6:31] and economic conservatism has drawn
[6:33] attack from many quarters and especially
[6:36] from fellow Republicans. At his victory
[6:38] celebration last Tuesday, Buchanan
[6:40] accurately predicted what the week ahead
[6:42] would sound like.
[6:44] >> This is not a victory for a man again.
[6:46] This is a victory for a cause. It is the
[6:49] cause of a brand new bold conservatism
[6:52] in American politics. A conservatism
[6:55] that gives voice to the voiceless, that
[6:57] speaks up for the right to life of the
[6:59] innocent on board.
[7:06] A conservatism.
[7:07] THE CONSERVATISM THAT LOOKS OUT FOR THE
[7:10] MEN AND WOMEN OF THIS COUNTRY WHOSE JOBS
[7:12] HAVE BEEN SACRIFICED on the altars of
[7:15] TRADE DEALS DONE FOR THE BENEFIT OF
[7:16] TRANSNATIONAL CORPORATIONS WHO HAVE NO
[7:19] LOYALTY TO OUR COUNTRY AND NO LOYALTY TO
[7:21] ANYBODY.
[7:29] THIS IS A VICTORY. Victory for the good
[7:31] men and women of middle America who
[7:33] cannot understand why there is deafness
[7:36] in Washington and silence about the fact
[7:38] the standard of living of our working
[7:40] men and women in middle class have been
[7:42] stagnating while profits have been
[7:43] soaring. They call me names. Some may
[7:45] call me a socialist. They call me the
[7:47] right. They can't figure out where we
[7:48] are. Right, left, New Deal. Where is
[7:51] that fella? All the forces of the old
[7:53] order are going to rally against us. The
[7:56] establishment is coming together. You
[7:58] can hear them right now. The fax
[8:00] machines and the phones are buzzing IN
[8:02] WASHINGTON DC. WE GOT TO GET TOGETHER.
[8:04] SOMEBODY'S GOT TO GET OUT AND TAKE ON
[8:06] THIS GUY. WE GOT TO HAVE ONE GUY TAKE
[8:07] HIM ON. BUT I'LL tell you what, we don't
[8:09] have time. We need the troops.
[8:10] >> Pat sometimes gives out messages of
[8:13] intolerance, which I think are very
[8:14] unfortunate. And I think what he is
[8:16] going to have to do if he wants to
[8:17] remain a viable candidate in the weeks
[8:19] and months ahead is to convince the
[8:21] American people that he is not giving
[8:23] giving out a message of intolerance.
[8:24] >> You're a Republican now. Could you vote
[8:26] for Pat Buchanan for president?
[8:28] >> Uh no. I think Pat is mistaken. Uh I
[8:31] think that uh he's just flat wrong on a
[8:33] lot of issues. I don't care about who he
[8:35] associates with or who he might
[8:36] associate with or who he sent a letter
[8:38] to or who sent him a Valentine's card. I
[8:40] think his views are wrong. Uh I think
[8:42] they are ignorant. I think they are
[8:44] based in a misreading of history.
[8:46] >> Conservatives are in a quandry, I
[8:48] believe, at this particular point,
[8:50] particularly with regard to the
[8:52] presidential race. We have one
[8:55] candidate, Pat Buchanan, who has an
[8:57] impeccable conservative pedigree, but
[8:59] who is articulating policies that are
[9:02] more reminiscent of European than
[9:03] American conservatism, who is
[9:05] challenging many of the economic
[9:07] foundations of the conservative movement
[9:09] and philosophy, and who therefore is a
[9:12] disquing figure to many traditional
[9:13] conservatives.
[9:15] >> This now is a race between the
[9:18] mainstream and the extreme. That's what
[9:20] it's all about. It's a race between
[9:23] hope,
[9:24] which I will talk about, and fear. Hope
[9:27] and fear. It's about freedom, and it's
[9:30] about intolerance,
[9:32] which I will not tolerate.
[9:35] Has no place in our party. It's about
[9:39] maintaining the Republican Congress.
[9:41] That's what it's about. I want to be the
[9:43] majority party for the right reason.
[9:45] Because we have the vision and because
[9:47] we have the ideas and because we look to
[9:49] the future, not to the past. This is not
[9:51] the 1930s. We're getting ready for a
[9:54] whole new century. And this is a battle
[9:57] for the heart and soul of the Republican
[9:59] party. Pat, I'm not going to let you
[10:01] hijack our party. I'm going to debate
[10:04] with you on the ideas. Uh Buchananism is
[10:08] wrong for our country. It's wrong for
[10:10] our party. We need a rising, shining
[10:14] America, not a divided, pessimistic
[10:17] America as we go into the next century.
[10:20] >> Lamar did make a very good point and
[10:22] frankly Bob Dole made a very good point
[10:24] when he said this is a battle and a
[10:26] struggle for the heart and soul of our
[10:28] party and indeed it is. You know, Woodro
[10:31] Wilson said in 1912 that a great
[10:34] political party is truly serving the
[10:37] nation only when it becomes the
[10:39] instrument of some great and good cause.
[10:43] Let me try to outline to you the cause I
[10:45] believe in the postcold war era my party
[10:49] should represent. It is a cause of what
[10:51] I call a new conservatism of the heart.
[10:54] That is not a conservatism of the
[10:56] boardroom or the business roundt. It is
[10:59] a bold and unapologetic conservatism
[11:02] that speaks up for those who have no
[11:04] voice. That speaks up for the right to
[11:06] life of the innocent unborn in this
[11:08] country.
[11:15] And that speaks up speaks up for those
[11:17] working men and women in this country
[11:19] betrayed by trade deals sold out for the
[11:22] benefit of big corporations.
[11:25] We're going to speak up for them, my
[11:26] friends.
[11:28] We need to speak up really as leaders in
[11:32] the Republican party for those who have
[11:33] no voice. And I want to bring them all
[11:35] home to this Republican party. And I'm
[11:37] asking the GOP, please keep the door
[11:39] open. I'll bring these good people home.
[11:42] Thank you very much.
[11:44] >> Now, our regional commentators assess
[11:46] campaign 1996 thus far. They are Lee
[11:49] Cullum of the Dallas Morning News,
[11:51] William Wong of the Oakland Tribune,
[11:53] Patrick Mcwigan of the Daily Oklahoma,
[11:56] Mike Barnacle of the Boston Globe, and
[11:59] Cynthia Tucker of the Atlanta
[12:00] Constitution. Cynthia, are you seeing
[12:03] this kind of criticism from Republican
[12:05] leaders in Georgia?
[12:08] >> Oh, yes, absolutely. The mainstream
[12:10] Republicans in Georgia are just as
[12:12] worried as mainstream Republicans are
[12:14] everywhere about Pat Buchanan's meteoric
[12:18] rise in the uh Republican presidential
[12:20] campaign primaries so far. Uh Georgia
[12:24] Senator Coverdale, who had been a Graham
[12:27] supporter earlier on, has now announced
[12:30] his support for Bob Dole. I suspect
[12:33] there will be other leading Republicans
[12:35] who will very clearly announce their
[12:38] support for either Dole or G or
[12:40] Alexander
[12:42] in an effort to uh slow down the
[12:44] Buchanan movement. But I still suspect
[12:47] that there will be a lot of support for
[12:49] Pat Buchanan among rank and file voters
[12:53] in Georgia. Our primary here is on March
[12:55] 5th. Pat Buchanan got 36% of the vote in
[12:59] uh Georgia in 1992 against George Bush.
[13:03] I suspect he will do well in Georgia
[13:05] again.
[13:06] >> Bill Wong, how about in California? Do
[13:08] you see a battle for the heart and soul
[13:10] of the Republican party?
[13:11] >> Yes, we are. Although it's interesting
[13:13] that um Governor Wilson, who is a uh
[13:17] moderate Republican and a strong
[13:19] supporter of Governor Dole, I mean of uh
[13:22] Senator Dole, has uh been distracted by
[13:26] um the the death penalty case of uh this
[13:29] Bonan fellow as well as um spearheading
[13:32] a campaign to uh get rid of affirmative
[13:35] action. So, he has really not come out
[13:37] yet to uh give an assessment of the New
[13:40] Hampshire results, but I suspect that
[13:43] California mainstream Republicans are
[13:46] quaking in their boots at this moment at
[13:48] the prospect that Pat Buchanan uh has
[13:51] thrown into the mainstream Republican
[13:53] party
[13:54] >> and Pat McGuigan in Oklahoma. Do you
[13:56] think Republican leaders are making a
[13:57] big mistake in attacking Pat Buchanan
[13:59] the way they are?
[14:00] >> I think the nature of the attacks is a
[14:02] mistake. uh attacking his character,
[14:05] questioning his uh virtues on matters of
[14:08] race. Uh I think they're unjustified. Uh
[14:12] having said that, I think it's fair game
[14:14] to criticize Buchanan's views on trade
[14:16] issues.
[14:17] >> Excuse me for interrupting, Pat. I just
[14:18] want to ask you, when you say that um
[14:21] that the attacks are unjustified, do you
[14:22] think it's a risk that this could drive
[14:24] people into Patrick Buchanan's arms?
[14:27] >> Oh, absolutely. Uh, for example, here in
[14:29] Oklahoma, Buchanan performed very well
[14:32] uh in his long shot uh candidacy in
[14:35] 1992. I think he got about a quarter of
[14:36] the vote if I remember right, perhaps as
[14:38] much as 27%.
[14:40] In uh this year, I think by March 12th
[14:43] when we are part of the Super Tuesday
[14:45] scenario, that the field will still be
[14:47] at least uh chopped up among three,
[14:50] leaving a very clear scenario for a
[14:52] Buchanan victory with a third of the
[14:53] vote or more. And my point is that in
[14:56] November, make no mistake, no matter who
[14:58] the Republican nominee is, Republicans
[15:01] are going to have to be united. If the
[15:03] nominee is Bob Dole, which I kind of
[15:05] still expect, he's going to need the
[15:07] Buchanan brigades in order to win. And
[15:09] the divisiveness of recent days has not
[15:12] come from Pat Buchanan other than the
[15:14] edge of his message on substantive
[15:16] issues. The divisiveness is coming from
[15:19] the Dole campaign and the Alexander
[15:21] campaign buying into the national
[15:23] media's spin on the character and nature
[15:26] of Pat Buchanan and his support. I think
[15:28] it's a mistake. I also think it's unfair
[15:30] and doesn't fit uh the actual man Pat
[15:32] Buchanan.
[15:33] >> Mike Barnacle, what do you think about
[15:35] that?
[15:36] Well, I think that uh you know to refer
[15:39] to anyone as a leader with Republican or
[15:42] Democrat merely because they're in
[15:43] office is uh is to miss the point. It's
[15:47] as if voters I think around here and and
[15:50] I think probably around the country as
[15:52] well have one of those V chips already
[15:55] implanted in their brain and they're
[15:56] managing to exclude a lot of the stuff
[15:59] that they're hearing from Mr. Buchanan
[16:02] that has been referred to as extremist
[16:04] stuff in the newspapers and in the
[16:06] editorial pages and they're honing in on
[16:09] a specific message that they're hearing
[16:10] from him and they're not hearing it from
[16:12] anyone else. And it's a message I think
[16:14] aimed at people between the ages of 40
[16:16] and 55 years of age who have worked at
[16:19] places for 10, 12, 15 years thinking
[16:22] that they were working there with some
[16:24] sense of economic security and now
[16:26] they're unsure. I think the seinal event
[16:28] of this decade when it's written is
[16:30] going to be the day AT&T, the phone
[16:32] company, a great place to work when we
[16:34] were growing up. That's what we were
[16:35] told, laid off 40,000 people and their
[16:38] stock went up. Watching Buchanan against
[16:41] this field is a little like watching
[16:43] Greg Maddox against a double A ball
[16:45] club. I mean, he's he's in the zone and
[16:47] he's throwing it right across the plate
[16:49] and people are seeing it and and hearing
[16:51] what they want to hear.
[16:52] >> So, you're saying, Mike, that it doesn't
[16:53] really matter what the so-called
[16:55] Republican leaders say. They they can
[16:57] just be tuned out by people who are are
[16:59] receptive to Buchanan's message.
[17:01] >> Well, I think if if you hear poor Bob
[17:04] Dole, if you heard him up in New
[17:06] Hampshire, you would have to say this
[17:08] fellow has absolutely no conception of
[17:10] what's going on in this country. Lamar
[17:12] Alexander was playing catchup. He was
[17:14] sort of trying to, you know, hear what
[17:16] Buchanan was saying with one ear and
[17:18] sort of filter it out into his own
[17:20] language, but it was too late for him
[17:22] when he caught on to it. But the point
[17:24] is, they had to catch on to it. I don't
[17:26] know whether Pat Buchanan does his own
[17:27] grocery shopping or not, but he's heard
[17:29] this language out there and it's
[17:31] cultural as well as political and he's
[17:33] repeating it in terms that people
[17:35] understand and applaud.
[17:37] >> Lee Colum, how does it look to you in
[17:38] Texas, a Republican leader sniping
[17:40] Buchanan?
[17:41] >> Well, there's great concern among
[17:43] Republican leaders and I want to say
[17:44] that Mike Barnacle certainly has a
[17:46] point. Uh I I think the fear down here
[17:48] is that the Buchanan economic program
[17:50] would cause a great contraction of the
[17:53] economy, not an expansion of it. it
[17:55] would cost jobs and create great
[17:56] suffering. I spoke with a pollster in
[17:59] Houston uh named Mike Basselles who does
[18:02] Republican polling is not working for
[18:04] any candidate at the moment and he says
[18:06] that from the figures that he has seen
[18:08] from precincts around the state. If the
[18:10] election were held today, Dole would do
[18:13] very well indeed. He would get close to
[18:15] a majority if not a majority. Certainly
[18:17] a very solid plurality. Buchanan would
[18:20] be second with a third of the vote and
[18:22] Alexander a somewhat distant third
[18:25] unless he can do very well in South
[18:27] Carolina and unless he can raise some
[18:29] money. Now Alexander does have some
[18:32] support in Texas. His campaign chairman
[18:34] is Rob Mossbacher who's the son of the
[18:36] former Secretary of Commerce under Bush.
[18:38] Uh there is some talk that Governor Bush
[18:40] might come out for Alexander. I heard
[18:42] that view from a an a staff member in
[18:45] the state Republican office today. Now,
[18:47] I did talk to somebody in the governor's
[18:48] office, the press office, who said that
[18:50] he's not going to endorse for a while.
[18:52] He's going to wait and see how things
[18:53] go. Alexander's wife is from Texas.
[18:55] She's from Victoria, Texas. Nonetheless,
[18:58] he remains somewhat unknown here, and
[19:00] the state is still pretty solid for
[19:02] Dole, but but he would be wise to take
[19:04] nothing for granted, and that's
[19:05] certainly what Republican leaders are
[19:07] realizing.
[19:07] >> And you think it could change in time?
[19:10] >> Of course, the uh the vote isn't until
[19:12] March 12th. Of course, it could. Lee, do
[19:14] you think that Pat Pap Buchanan's
[19:16] success is a wake-up call for Democrats?
[19:18] >> Uh, a wake-up call for Democrats. Uh,
[19:21] yes. I think it certainly could be. I I
[19:23] would imagine they're taking notice of
[19:25] the issues that uh he is finding
[19:27] resonate with the people and and
[19:30] certainly this this issue of this this
[19:33] great disconnection between success uh
[19:36] of the company and the situation of the
[19:38] workers has got to be addressed. Uh, I
[19:41] think it needs to be addressed by the
[19:42] companies themselves. I think it needs
[19:43] to be addressed by the government
[19:45] encouraging the creation of new
[19:47] companies. That's where new opportunity
[19:49] comes from. But these issues do need to
[19:51] be addressed by both parties. No doubt
[19:53] about it.
[19:54] >> Mike Barnacle, the the primary in your
[19:56] state in Massachusetts is less than or
[19:58] it's just a little more than 10 days
[20:00] away. How do you see it turning out at
[20:03] this point? At this point, I would think
[20:05] Senator Dole would be ahead. Uh if
[20:08] Democrats could vote in the Republican
[20:10] primary, Pat Buchanan would win. Uh his
[20:13] his message is is it's got wide
[20:17] acceptance among workingclass Democrats
[20:19] in this state. And if there were
[20:20] crossovers, he would win. He would beat
[20:23] Bob Dole despite Governor Weld having
[20:25] endorsed Senator Dole. the the his
[20:28] message
[20:29] that that part of it that that I I've
[20:32] I've been talking about in terms of
[20:34] people being afraid of what's going to
[20:36] happen, losing hope, losing in hope in
[20:38] terms of, you know, what they're going
[20:39] to be able to do for their children five
[20:41] and six years down the road. That part
[20:43] of his message is tremendously powerful.
[20:46] And we've had people in Washington, the
[20:48] speaker of the house, the president of
[20:49] the United States, senators on both
[20:51] sides of the aisle in the senate talking
[20:53] for eight or nine weeks about are we
[20:55] going to use congressional budget office
[20:56] numbers or OM numbers. It's meaningless
[20:59] to people who live real lives. Buchanan
[21:02] comes along and says you've been working
[21:04] at a place for 11 years, the Edison, the
[21:06] phone company, whatever. They're going
[21:08] to sell your company. You're going to
[21:09] lose your job. You're going to be 51
[21:10] years old making $18 an hour, and you're
[21:12] going to be suddenly looking at maybe
[21:13] making $6 an hour if you're lucky. They
[21:15] don't like you. I'm your guy. And
[21:17] they're saying, "Hey, Pat, pop them."
[21:19] >> Bill Wong, how about that? In
[21:20] California, some of the critics in the
[21:22] Republican party of Buchanan say he
[21:24] sounds like a liberal Democrat. Is that
[21:26] going to resonate among Democrats in
[21:27] California?
[21:28] >> Well, it it certainly is. I had a chance
[21:29] to talk to some labor leaders in the Bay
[21:32] Area here. And what was ironic about uh
[21:35] their point of view is that they like
[21:37] part of his message. They like the fact
[21:39] that he is uh pointing out the economic
[21:42] insecurities and uh bashing corporate
[21:45] America for uh downsizing and taking the
[21:48] profits or exporting jobs, but they
[21:50] really hate the messenger. And I think
[21:52] the labor leaders I talked to were
[21:54] basically more angry at the Democratic
[21:56] party. Uh and as I noted uh on a recent
[22:00] show that that President Clinton's uh
[22:03] State of the Union address seemed to
[22:05] really sound more Republican than
[22:07] Democratic and avoided the job in
[22:09] security issue, which is a very huge
[22:10] issue that Buchanan has has been able to
[22:13] tap into. So there is a concern uh among
[22:17] Californians who are progressive that uh
[22:20] Buchanan is co-opting a Democratic
[22:22] message.
[22:23] >> Cynthia Tucker, what about Alexander? Do
[22:25] you think that he is going to move up?
[22:27] He's from a state bordering your state.
[22:30] >> Alexander uh may be a bit little bit
[22:33] better known in Georgia because he's a
[22:35] former governor of Tennessee than he is
[22:37] in Texas, for example. But the Alexander
[22:40] campaign is already beginning to run out
[22:43] of money and he's got some primaries
[22:45] he's got to compete in before he gets to
[22:47] Georgia on March 5th. So, I'm not sure
[22:50] that he's going to have the financing in
[22:52] place that he needs to compete
[22:55] effectively in Georgia. Pat Buchanan, on
[22:58] the other hand, has a message that is so
[23:00] resounding with so many people that,
[23:03] interestingly enough, he doesn't need
[23:04] that much money. He does well despite
[23:07] running a shoestring campaign. I think
[23:10] there is something else noteworthy about
[23:12] Pat Buchanan. It is absolutely true that
[23:15] both mainstream Republicans and
[23:18] mainstream Democrats have failed to take
[23:21] note of the economic anxieties of voters
[23:24] and Pat Buchanan is capitalizing on
[23:26] that. But it is fascinating to me to
[23:28] watch these mainstream Republicans in
[23:31] such fear of a Pat Buchanan candidacy
[23:35] when in fact Pat Buchanan is in large
[23:37] part their creation. They gave him a
[23:40] major platform at the GOP convention in
[23:42] Houston in 1992 in which he gave this
[23:47] really frightening hate-mongering speech
[23:49] about cultural war warfare that sent
[23:53] chills up and down my spine and
[23:55] Republican delegates applauded him
[23:58] heartily. It is also true while Pat
[24:01] Buchanan is the person who goes after
[24:04] the jugular on attacking immigrants for
[24:07] example as contributing to the uh
[24:10] economic woes of native born Americans.
[24:12] In fact, many respectable Republicans
[24:16] have been pandering to those fears as
[24:18] well. They've all bashed immigration to
[24:21] some extent or the other. They have all
[24:24] bashed uh affirmative action to some
[24:26] extent or the other. And so it it is
[24:29] interesting to now watch them look
[24:32] around and say, "Well, where did Pat
[24:34] Buchanan come from?" He came out of the
[24:36] heart of the Republican party.
[24:38] >> Patrick McGwigan, do you have anything
[24:39] to say about that?
[24:40] >> Well, first of all, they didn't give Pat
[24:42] Buchanan a form in 1992. He earned it by
[24:44] the number of delegates he gained
[24:46] through the fair process of the
[24:47] Republican primaries. The second thing
[24:49] is I want to propose for everyone to
[24:52] contemplate playing off of something
[24:53] Bill pointed out the last time we were
[24:55] together when he talked about this
[24:57] anxiety in the middle class and in among
[24:59] the working people in America. There are
[25:01] two highly trusted groups that I think
[25:04] are going to help decide the outcome of
[25:06] this election for the Republicans. They
[25:08] are small business and farmers. Both of
[25:11] them score unusually high with fellow
[25:14] citizens as being trusted groups of
[25:16] people. the battle for small business
[25:19] where twothirds of all new jobs are
[25:21] created and in a state like Oklahoma
[25:22] it's actually 90% of all new jobs. I
[25:26] think the battle for the hearts and
[25:27] minds of main street business people
[25:29] small independent businesses is going to
[25:32] be a crucial part of this as well as how
[25:34] this farm issue plays out here in the
[25:36] west. I want to propose that for
[25:38] everybody to think about because I think
[25:40] Buchanan does have some vulnerabilities
[25:43] in appealing to farmers because of his
[25:45] protectionist ideas, but he resonates
[25:48] with farmers and with small business
[25:50] because of his views on moral issues.
[25:52] >> Okay, thank you all very much.
[25:55] >> Still to come on the NewsHour tonight,
[25:56] Shields and Jigo, a failed housing
[25:59] project and night school.
[26:12] Now, how all of this looks this Friday
[26:13] night to Shields and Jigo. Syndicated
[26:15] columnist Mark Shields, Wall Street
[26:17] Journal columnist Paul Jigo. First,
[26:20] Paul, what do you think of the Mike
[26:21] Barnacle Vchip theory that there that
[26:23] the the voters at least up the ones he's
[26:26] observed just tune out the part of what
[26:29] Mike of what Pat Buchanan says they
[26:31] don't like and they just listen to what
[26:32] they do like. Some people use the Vchip
[26:35] and some don't. Uh I think that there
[26:38] are a lot of Republicans who remember
[26:39] what Pat Buchanan uh stood for in 1988
[26:43] in 1992. His views are actually fairly
[26:45] wellnown. I I do think though that this
[26:48] campaign there is no comparison with Pat
[26:51] Buchanan to the last one. He's so much
[26:53] better. I mean he he's running uh with
[26:56] with little money. He's running like
[26:58] Stonewall Jackson against the Union
[27:00] Army. He's running circles around him.
[27:01] He's going to flying out of New
[27:02] Hampshire, flying to Mount Rushmore,
[27:04] standing in front of the presidents and
[27:05] quoting, "All four presidents support my
[27:07] policy." Um, he's running a much better
[27:10] campaign and those messages that he's
[27:13] that he's hitting are resonating better.
[27:15] He's more optimistic about him in many
[27:17] respects. Uh, so I I in in some respects
[27:20] he's it's not that people are tuning out
[27:22] the other stuff. It's he's running a
[27:23] better campaign.
[27:24] >> What about Cynthia's point, Mark, that
[27:26] he that the Republican establishment
[27:28] says, "Hey, where did this guy come
[27:30] from?" She says, "Hey, he came from the
[27:32] Republican party."
[27:33] >> Well, Cynthia is right. I mean, Pat
[27:35] Buchanan's credentials as a Republican
[27:37] certainly are stronger and longer,
[27:39] strong and long as most people in the
[27:41] field. Uh, he worked for Richard Nixon.
[27:44] He was a loyalist right to the end. Uh,
[27:46] he worked for Ronald Reagan. Uh, and
[27:49] he's and he's been an ardent pmacist for
[27:51] the party for a long time in the
[27:52] conservative positions within the party.
[27:54] They make an enormous mistake. The
[27:56] Republican establishment is in my
[27:57] judgment. They are turning Pat Buchanan
[27:59] into a sympathetic underdog
[28:02] irrespective of positions that it's
[28:04] Goliath. They're piling on. I mean face
[28:07] suit after suit after suit stands up
[28:09] there and uses adjectives and attacking
[28:11] him. Ignorant, stupid. That's known in
[28:13] the business, Jim, as blame the
[28:14] customer. They're blame. They're telling
[28:16] the voters who voted for him they're
[28:17] dumb. All right. There have been four
[28:19] contests. He's won three and had one
[28:21] second. All right. Lamar Alexander,
[28:23] who's a wonderful governor and and a
[28:25] splendid candidate. This isn't the
[28:28] Olympics. I mean, a third place doesn't
[28:29] get you a silver medal here. I mean, he
[28:31] has he started telling Bob Dole to get
[28:33] out of the race and he hasn't he hasn't
[28:35] even finished better than third
[28:36] anywhere. I mean, I honestly think that
[28:38] they're making an enormous mistake. It
[28:40] started with the Huntley the Brinkley
[28:42] show last week when Sam Donaldson and
[28:44] George Will who don't agree on anything
[28:45] jumped on on Pat Buchanan and Frank
[28:49] Farenth Ronald Reagan's Republican
[28:50] National said he had never seen anybody
[28:52] handle negative attack better in his
[28:55] life than than Pat Buchanan which
[28:57] reinforces Paul's point.
[28:58] >> But what about what about some of the
[28:59] issues that these folks are raising?
[29:01] Mayor Giuliani of of uh New York said
[29:04] that has raised serious questions about
[29:06] anti-semitism view, anti-semitic views
[29:08] that that Pat Buchanan has and bigotry
[29:11] as it relates to race and all of that.
[29:13] Shouldn't they shouldn't those questions
[29:14] be raised if somebody is that piling on
[29:16] Paul or is that just a legitimate thing
[29:18] to raise? I think those that is well
[29:21] known about Pat Buchanan and I don't
[29:24] think that it really helps Republicans
[29:26] now to I I agree thoroughly with Mark on
[29:29] this point about calling him names and
[29:32] using adjectives and using you can't
[29:34] beat him with epithets. You can't beat
[29:37] him by using the language of liberals in
[29:40] a Republican primary. The same language
[29:42] liberals use against Bob Dole extremism
[29:45] and all that. You have to go after his
[29:47] arguments. Bob Dole spent in in in in in
[29:50] New Hampshire tens of thousands of
[29:52] dollars calling Lamar Alexander a
[29:54] liberal and it works somewhat. He ought
[29:56] to call Pat Buchanan a liberal because
[29:58] despite the point about Republicans
[30:00] having created Pat Buchanan on
[30:03] economics, he's pretty much gone to the
[30:05] other side of the fence. Buchanan is
[30:08] really doing some things with great
[30:09] skill. He's claiming the mantle of
[30:11] Goldwater and Reagan and he's running on
[30:13] the economics of Dick Gart and David
[30:15] Bonner. And I think that's where well
[30:18] you buy that it's it's get him 27%. It
[30:21] hasn't won him the nomination. What
[30:23] Republicans have to do is they have to
[30:24] go and what some of them are starting to
[30:26] some of the cooler heads is to say look
[30:28] Pat Buchanan has hit a nerve. His
[30:30] diagnosis is right
[30:31] >> but he's selling snake oil as a remedy.
[30:34] He's selling something that isn't going
[30:35] to raise the incomes like he says. In
[30:37] fact it's going to lead to decline and
[30:39] hurt your incomes. Now, what about
[30:41] Charles Crowutamemer's point? A
[30:42] columnist in the Washington Post this
[30:44] morning said that essentially what
[30:46] Buchanan has done is killed the
[30:48] Republican revolution because he's out
[30:50] there saying these guys in Washington
[30:52] can't be trusted. These guys in
[30:53] Washington are not listen to these guys
[30:55] in Washington won't take care of your
[30:56] problems. And his point is, hey, hey,
[30:58] it's our guys in the Republicans, D.
[31:00] Gingrich and and the Republican
[31:02] Congress, and he's blown the whole deal.
[31:04] >> Pat Buchanan didn't do that. He was the
[31:06] Paul Rivere. He announced that it was
[31:08] over. I mean, Phil Graham ran on the on
[31:10] the Republican revolution. Phil Graham
[31:11] was the distilled essence of the
[31:14] Republican revolution. And Phil Graham's
[31:15] back in Texas now trying to scramble to
[31:17] run for re-election to the Senate. I
[31:19] mean, it was it was over, Jim. I mean,
[31:21] there's no question about I mean, what
[31:22] what Mike Barnacle said, I I think Pat
[31:24] Buchanan has stepped into it. Paul says
[31:26] he's identified a problem. There's a
[31:27] problem there, and people are upset, but
[31:29] he's got the wrong remedy. Well, what
[31:31] are the other remedies? A balanced
[31:33] budget amendment. That's a remedy for
[31:34] people's flat incomes. uh a flat taxes
[31:37] people's right I mean people are looking
[31:38] at that and say wait a minute there's at
[31:40] least one guy in the whole race it isn't
[31:42] it isn't on the Democratic side it is on
[31:43] the Republican side who's talking about
[31:45] the problems that we face the three out
[31:47] of four American males who did not
[31:49] graduate from college who've seen their
[31:50] lives flatten
[31:51] >> and you and and you can't do it by
[31:53] raising taxes on the border I mean
[31:54] that's that that that's one problem with
[31:56] Buchanan but Mark is is is right in the
[31:58] sense that what's happened in the
[32:00] Republican party and it's been true for
[32:01] a long time it's been true really for a
[32:03] number of years there has been a gap.
[32:06] The growth wing of the party, the the
[32:08] Jack Kemp wing has really not had a
[32:10] candidate in this race. Steve Forbes
[32:12] tried it and when he enter came in with
[32:14] a flat tax offering, frankly, as
[32:15] something that would promote growth and
[32:17] spur the economy, remember a flat tax as
[32:19] a tax cut. The Republic other
[32:21] Republicans chewed him to bits.
[32:23] >> They really went after it
[32:24] >> and they used Democratic arguments to do
[32:26] it. Re giving Buchanan an opening as as
[32:28] the only one who was speaking to these
[32:30] concerns. Now, N. Gingrich issued a memo
[32:33] today, in fact, that said, "Well, maybe
[32:36] we ought to start thinking about
[32:37] growth." And and one of the mistakes the
[32:38] Republicans made the whole last year was
[32:40] they only talked about the balanced
[32:42] budget. They never put it in a broader
[32:44] context that said, "We can help you grow
[32:46] the economy."
[32:47] >> Where does Pat Buchanan fit into the
[32:49] Republican revolution that we've been
[32:51] talking about on this program for the
[32:52] last year?
[32:54] >> The the Republican revolution, Jim, is
[32:57] is a congressional experience. This is a
[32:59] president. That's right. It's a this is
[33:01] a this is a presidential election. I
[33:03] mean both parties I mean our parties are
[33:05] are sort of these great large vessels
[33:08] and whoever fills them up defines which
[33:10] way they're sailing and who becomes the
[33:11] presidential nominee. It it it isn't the
[33:14] congressional agenda. I mean Nuke
[33:15] Gingrich in fairness to N. Gingrich he
[33:17] was the one who attacked and was
[33:19] probably the most devastating in the
[33:20] attack upon the Steve Forbes. I agree
[33:22] with that. I agree with that. No
[33:23] question. I agree with that. But the the
[33:25] what what Pat Buchanan is writing is the
[33:28] same anti-establishment, anti-W
[33:30] Washington volatility that has shaped
[33:32] and directed American politics for the
[33:34] 90s. It elected Bill Clinton in 1992 and
[33:37] it unelected George Bush. It unelected
[33:39] Bill Clinton's Democrats in 1994. It
[33:41] elected a Republican Congress and it's
[33:42] about to diselect a Republican Congress
[33:44] in 96.
[33:45] >> But that's my point which I'm not I'm
[33:46] not making very well here, Paul. Why is
[33:49] it that when Buchanan makes that
[33:51] statement to a group of Republicans
[33:53] that, hey, the guys in Washington can't
[33:55] be trusted, whatever, that they don't
[33:56] say, hey, those are our guys now. Why
[33:58] don't they respond that way? I mean, why
[34:00] has that message not gotten over to rank
[34:02] and file Republicans?
[34:03] >> Well, one of the interesting exit poll
[34:04] numbers in New Hampshire that wasn't
[34:07] widely publicized was that of the voters
[34:10] in that primary, 48% said the
[34:13] Republicans in Congress hadn't gone far
[34:15] enough. They hadn't really done much at
[34:18] all to re and and certainly they hadn't
[34:21] passed a good deal of their agenda. I
[34:23] mean, it's been stalled. It's been
[34:25] stopped by a president who vetoed these
[34:27] things. And that's the kind of thing
[34:28] that that's the kind of case that Bob
[34:30] Dole in his
[34:31] >> So, it may have looked like a revolution
[34:32] here, but it doesn't look like a
[34:33] revolution out there.
[34:34] >> Certainly doesn't out on out on the
[34:36] ground. No, that's absolutely right.
[34:37] >> There's a widening gap, Jim, between the
[34:39] party establishment and the grassroots.
[34:41] It's true on the Democratic side. It's
[34:43] true on the Republican side. And it's
[34:44] becoming acutely visible in this
[34:46] campaign. I mean, the enthusiasm, the
[34:49] passion, the zeal in Texas is in the
[34:52] Buchanan campaign. The party
[34:54] establishment is with Bob Dole. Uh, and
[34:57] it's a it's a question. I mean, whe
[34:59] whether in fact they're going to be able
[35:00] to deliver.
[35:01] >> Yeah. What uh quickly what kind of marks
[35:03] do you give uh Senator Dole on how he's
[35:06] conducted himself since Tuesday and
[35:08] those results? We're sitting here 3 days
[35:09] later, four days later. Well, the the
[35:11] remark of of make an extreme point that
[35:14] was a mistake calling him extreme. I
[35:16] thought I thought thought it was a
[35:17] mistake to skip the debate.
[35:18] >> The one in Arizona last
[35:21] Pat Buchanan might win Arizona. I think
[35:23] he's probably the favorite to win in
[35:24] Arizona right now and Bob and that would
[35:26] certainly hurt Bob Dole going into these
[35:28] southern ring of primaries. Particularly
[35:30] because one of the problems, the doubts
[35:32] about Bob Dole that a lot of Republicans
[35:34] have is can he make the case? And if he
[35:37] shies away from getting into a position
[35:38] where he can make the case, it just
[35:40] feeds those doubts.
[35:41] >> And does he have to make the case? Is he
[35:43] stuck with making the case for the
[35:44] revolution, the congressional case? Is
[35:46] that
[35:46] >> No, I think I think what I think what he
[35:48] is get what the Pat Buchanan candidacy
[35:50] is given the Dole campaign finally a
[35:52] sense of mission and a sense of vision.
[35:54] I mean, he wants the Republican party
[35:56] that isn't Pat Buchanan's Republican
[35:58] party. I think that's what he can do and
[35:59] make the argument against him and I
[36:00] think that's what he has to do. I think
[36:01] Pat Buchanan made a serious mistake this
[36:03] week. Paul disagrees with me by going to
[36:05] South Dakota. It is a photo opportunity,
[36:07] Jim.
[36:07] >> You mean Mount Rushmore
[36:08] >> that no presidential candidate can
[36:10] resist. All right. They all want to go
[36:12] to Mount Rushmore and be seen. And when
[36:14] they look at it, people look at they
[36:15] say, "Wait a minute. There's Jefferson.
[36:17] There's Teddy Roosevelt. There's Abraham
[36:19] Lincoln and George Washington. I don't
[36:20] care who it is. I don't care if it's
[36:21] Franklin Roosevelt. He doesn't stack
[36:23] up." And but they they all love to do
[36:25] it. They love to go. Now, if he wins the
[36:26] South Dakota primary, I will eat him
[36:29] if
[36:30] >> he comes close.
[36:31] >> Yeah. Before we go, um Pat Brown, former
[36:34] governor of uh California, died since we
[36:37] last spoke. Uh what is his legacy? How
[36:39] how should we remember him politically?
[36:40] >> Well, I mean, as a as a good and decent
[36:42] man, first of all, but uh when Pat Brown
[36:45] was governor of California, not only was
[36:47] it a time of unlimited possibilities in
[36:49] this country, I mean, it was 1958 to
[36:52] 1966. He built the water projects that
[36:55] made California the agricultural giant
[36:57] of the country. He built the public
[37:00] college and university system that made
[37:02] California the model for the rest of the
[37:03] country. He built the freeways. It was a
[37:05] time of can do. When Pat Brown was
[37:07] governor of California, every Monday
[37:08] morning, it was like a new city of
[37:10] 50,000 people. People were just
[37:11] screaming in them was coming in. That
[37:13] there had to be schools. There had to be
[37:15] roads. There had to be recreation for
[37:16] all of them. And it was it was a time of
[37:18] unlimited growth, unlimited optimism.
[37:20] And California then is probably the
[37:22] golden golden era of California.
[37:24] >> It symbolized everything for I mean in
[37:25] terms of the future. Oh, no question
[37:27] about it. I mean, the home office of
[37:28] American optimism was in California when
[37:30] Pat Brown was
[37:31] >> governor. Anything you want to add or
[37:32] subtract?
[37:33] >> His slogan in 1962 running against
[37:34] Richard Dixon was think big.
[37:36] >> Uh, and and in in a way he represented
[37:39] the he was he presided in California in
[37:41] the heyday of liberal government and
[37:44] possibility when government was seen as
[37:46] an an agent of progress, an agent of
[37:49] creating opportunity. Yet he also in the
[37:51] course of that by creating entitlements
[37:54] and by spending so much did create the
[37:56] back the the the environment for a
[37:58] backlash that Ronald Reagan capitalized
[38:01] on to become governor in 1996
[38:04] ' 66 I'm sorry and then his own son
[38:07] >> who became govern Jerry Brown instead of
[38:10] saying think big when he was governor
[38:11] said this is an era of limits.
[38:15] >> Okay and speaking of limits we've
[38:16] reached ours tonight. Thank you both
[38:18] very much.
[38:29] Now, what happens to the tenants when a
[38:31] public housing project fails? Spencer
[38:33] Michaels reports from San Francisco.
[38:37] In a little visited part of San
[38:39] Francisco, hard by the southern city
[38:41] limits, Geneva Towers rises above
[38:43] Visitation Valley. Built privately in
[38:46] the 60s as housing for airport workers,
[38:48] the developer soon realized he couldn't
[38:50] rent the twin 19-story towers to
[38:53] middleclass tenants. So he turned the
[38:55] building into lowincome housing and
[38:57] obtained federal mortgage insurance
[38:59] designed for that purpose.
[39:02] Geneva Towers soon became a ghetto for
[39:04] the poor. Nice at first, it deteriorated
[39:07] quickly. Seria Johnson moved in with her
[39:10] mother 25 years ago.
[39:12] noise, crime, drugs, fighting. Put it
[39:17] this way. When you left in the morning,
[39:20] you you were gone all day and you came
[39:22] home and you were in your house and you
[39:25] locked the door and you didn't want to
[39:26] have anything to do with whatever was
[39:28] going on outside your door.
[39:31] >> Inside, elevators often didn't work,
[39:33] causing 20inut waits. The plumbing was
[39:36] dreadful. Heat was spotty. Electricity
[39:39] sometimes shut down. is going to have a
[39:42] new new room to take care of
[39:45] >> temporarily.
[39:47] >> Johnson has her own two children today
[39:49] and they were among the last residents
[39:51] to move out of Geneva Towers. HUD, the
[39:54] Department of Housing and Urban
[39:56] Development, which insured the mortgage,
[39:58] took over the building in 1991 because
[40:01] of the poor conditions, the first time
[40:03] the department had ever done that. Major
[40:06] improvements were made, but now the
[40:08] government is preparing to tear it down.
[40:10] Local HUD director Art Agnos is a former
[40:13] San Francisco mayor.
[40:14] >> Over the last three and a half years or
[40:17] so, we've had to spend an average of
[40:19] $600,000 a month to make this safe and
[40:22] secure. Not to mention over $6 million
[40:25] just to bring it up to a habitable
[40:27] standard. We simply can't afford to do
[40:29] that for this building. And therefore,
[40:31] we made the tough decision in
[40:33] cooperation with the people who live
[40:35] here to tear it down and rebuild the
[40:38] kinds of units that really would be
[40:40] appropriate for the people who live here
[40:42] as well as the neighborhood.
[40:44] >> HUD and the city decided to replace both
[40:46] buildings with low-rise housing,
[40:49] provided a nonprofit developer can find
[40:51] a way to finance it. More homes for
[40:54] low-income tenants are planned across
[40:55] the street from the towers. Former
[40:58] residents will have first crack at them.
[41:00] This fence is a new fence. Uh, it was
[41:02] put in by HUD after they took it over.
[41:04] Prior to the fence going in, there was a
[41:06] fair amount of drug dealing from this
[41:08] building to the building several blocks
[41:09] away.
[41:10] >> Ted Dinsfree directs the mayor's housing
[41:12] office, which is working with HUD to
[41:15] relocate Geneva Towers tenants.
[41:18] >> This housing does not fit in into the
[41:20] neighborhood as it currently stands and
[41:23] uh has caused all types of of problems.
[41:26] It has isolated the residents in the
[41:28] buildings,
[41:29] >> but no one is sure how long it will take
[41:32] to build new housing or if federal money
[41:35] and other incentives to build lowcost
[41:37] housing will still be available. So, the
[41:40] top priority has been moving the 2 to
[41:42] 3,000 people out. HUD is spending up to
[41:46] $3,000 per resident in relocation,
[41:49] finding new homes, and promising to pay
[41:52] most of the rent with federal vouchers.
[41:54] We just got in under the wire with
[41:56] existing funds that are locked away in
[41:58] the bank that can't be taken away by any
[42:01] uh new Congress. We can't do what we saw
[42:03] in the 50s where neighborhoods were
[42:05] bulldozed by the federal government and
[42:07] people just told to get out. In fact,
[42:10] the federal government has even paid for
[42:12] taxis for residents and relocation
[42:15] workers as they searched for replacement
[42:17] housing. While a few residents protested
[42:20] the demolition plans as an attack on the
[42:22] black community, most others appear
[42:25] satisfied with what the city and HUD are
[42:27] doing. That was a positive move for them
[42:30] to to to provide the cabs, to provide
[42:33] people whose job 8 hours a day is to
[42:37] find you someplace to live, someplace
[42:39] acceptable where and someplace um where
[42:44] you're comfortable. Why do you need this
[42:46] kind of help?
[42:48] Well, everybody needs help sometime or
[42:50] another. You know, you can't play
[42:52] Superwoman all the time.
[42:54] >> Finding a new place was difficult. With
[42:56] the help of relocation workers, the
[42:58] family finally found a pleasant
[43:00] townhouse to rent within sight of the
[43:03] doomed Geneva Towers.
[43:06] The demolition plans mean a loss of jobs
[43:08] for 103 maintenance workers in a
[43:11] community where jobs are scarce. Many of
[43:14] them lived in the Towers, including
[43:16] 25year-old Stephanie Burch, who was
[43:19] making $15 an hour. Until she finds
[43:22] another job, she will require more
[43:25] subsidy from HUD to pay rent at a new
[43:28] rental home she has found with a San
[43:30] Francisco Bay view. Stephanie grew up in
[43:33] the towers with her mother, Linda, and
[43:35] her sisters and brother. She now has
[43:37] three children of her own. At Geneva
[43:40] Tower, she didn't have to worry about
[43:42] paying for garbage collection, water, or
[43:44] electricity. So, she has mixed emotions
[43:47] about leaving, although she likes her
[43:49] new home.
[43:50] >> I like the place. I like the view. I
[43:54] >> I like my neighbors.
[43:56] >> I was spoiled in Geneva Towers, and now
[43:58] I have It's like it's teaching me
[44:00] better. Geneva Towers, we were in our
[44:02] own little world. Now we're
[44:05] we're hitting the real world. Even with
[44:07] a HUD voucher called a section 8 to pay
[44:10] most of her rent, Stephanie Burch had a
[44:13] hard time finding a place.
[44:14] >> A lot of people do not want to rent to
[44:17] people on section 8. They they say that
[44:20] they tear their places up. Um
[44:25] just a they don't like people with
[44:27] section 8. They don't like they don't
[44:28] want anyone in their house with low
[44:30] income.
[44:31] >> Stephanie was happy to find a
[44:32] sympathetic landlord in her new
[44:34] townhouse. She currently pays $457
[44:38] of her $1,100 a month rent, about normal
[44:41] in highcost San Francisco.
[44:43] >> We're an enormously generous society.
[44:47] Uh which is something we should all be
[44:49] pleased about that that that we we are
[44:52] continually try to find ways to assist
[44:55] people who have not been able to yet
[44:59] join the economic mainstream of the
[45:01] society. Dinsfree believes the big
[45:04] federal and city effort being made here
[45:06] is an experiment.
[45:08] >> We're also committed to uh trying to
[45:11] coordinate the housing with social
[45:13] services and job training so that uh to
[45:17] to see whether we're clever enough or
[45:19] imaginative enough to to improve the
[45:21] social and economic conditions of a
[45:23] whole neighborhood.
[45:24] >> Housing replacement is only one part of
[45:27] the plan.
[45:29] Geneva Towers was a community center as
[45:32] well as a living space. Children at
[45:34] Geneva Towers heavily attended a
[45:36] recreation room on the premises with a
[45:39] senior center in an adjacent room.
[45:42] Classes in dance were held on the first
[45:44] floor next to a health center for the
[45:46] residents.
[45:48] The towers served as a distribution
[45:50] point for free food every month. And in
[45:53] the fenced in field next to the
[45:55] building, coaches tried to teach sports
[45:57] skills and raise youngsters self-esteem.
[46:01] With the towers gone, a nearby housing
[46:04] project, Sunnydale, which is in horrible
[46:06] condition, has what few social services
[46:09] are available in Visitation Valley.
[46:11] Officials admit it is a needy and
[46:13] neglected part of San Francisco.
[46:16] Now, the city has allocated $600,000
[46:19] to move many of those services to this
[46:22] empty building and add more in an
[46:24] attempt to unite and serve the community
[46:26] that is left.
[46:28] >> Now, I'm giving you this because you're
[46:29] going to work hard in school, right?
[46:31] >> Huh?
[46:32] >> Anthony Lincoln, who grew up poor in
[46:34] Sunnydale, is coordinating those
[46:36] efforts. He sees something positive
[46:38] coming from the demolition. What's nice
[46:41] about it coming down is that I think
[46:44] that it's going to bring many different
[46:45] facets of this community together and
[46:48] you know something that actually is a
[46:50] tragedy in terms of coming down. Now
[46:52] we're looking at bringing the community
[46:53] together to talk about what's going to
[46:55] come in place of that and I think that's
[46:56] a positive.
[46:58] >> Another goal of the city is to break up
[47:00] the large concentration of very poor
[47:02] people. According to Ted Dinsfrey,
[47:05] >> we rebuild housing on this site and on
[47:07] the site across the street, we will not
[47:09] have economic segregation. We will have
[47:10] a mixture of very low-income households
[47:13] households and moderate income
[47:14] households.
[47:16] >> But whether all those plans ever come to
[47:18] fruition depends upon financing and that
[47:21] depends upon Congress.
[47:23] >> So the future is not clear. We don't
[47:25] know what Congress wants to do and we
[47:27] have not really convinced the majority
[47:29] of voters in this country that that we
[47:31] can do the job well.
[47:33] Geneva Tower residents like Seria
[47:35] Johnson trust that things will work out
[47:38] the one we have now. Right.
[47:39] >> This is a growing thing.
[47:41] >> It's a growing thing for me. It's a
[47:43] growing thing for my children. We've had
[47:45] our rough times and our good times and
[47:46] our bad times, but this is a good time
[47:48] and and I want it to continue to be a
[47:51] good time.
[47:52] >> City and HUD officials are optimistic
[47:55] also. But despite the mood in Congress,
[47:57] they will find the money to rebuild and
[48:00] revitalize this neighborhood.
[48:10] Finally tonight, a new twist on the old
[48:13] idea of night school. Rod Minet of KCTS
[48:16] Seattle reports.
[48:20] >> Please stand for the pledge of
[48:21] allegiance.
[48:23] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[48:25] United States of America. These high
[48:28] school students in Lacy, Washington,
[48:30] start school when most other classes
[48:32] have ended.
[48:32] >> Good night. New Century.
[48:34] >> New Century is Washington State's only
[48:36] public evening high school, where
[48:38] classes begin at 2:30 p.m. and end at
[48:41] 8:40 p.m. 16-year-old Jessica Stockdale
[48:44] is one of 230 students who have
[48:46] volunteered for the night shift.
[48:48] >> Most of my day school friends are like,
[48:50] "Um, well, how can you stay up so late
[48:53] and do all that so late at night?" Well,
[48:55] it's like, well, how can you be up so
[48:56] early in the morning and do your
[48:59] schoolwork in the morning? The point I
[49:01] bring up is I just work better at night.
[49:03] And
[49:05] during the day, when most of her friends
[49:07] are at school, she goes to work at a
[49:09] part-time day job as a clerical
[49:11] assistant.
[49:14] >> Right now, it's really good experience
[49:16] for me, and it will help me get a job, a
[49:19] better job in the future than just
[49:21] working at a fast food restaurant. cuz
[49:24] I'll have um clerical work, secretary
[49:27] work on my resume and that'll look
[49:29] better than a fast food restaurant. So,
[49:33] >> new sentin which shares its space with a
[49:36] normal day school was started in part
[49:38] because of overcrowding at neighboring
[49:40] schools. Washington ranks third among
[49:42] states with the most crowded classrooms
[49:44] and projections show it will get much
[49:46] worse. According to the US Department of
[49:49] Education, within a decade, western
[49:51] states will see a 40% jump in high
[49:54] school enrollment. Gail McBride is New
[49:56] Century's principal. She says the night
[49:59] school has helped alleviate overcrowding
[50:01] since opening its doors 6 years ago.
[50:03] >> At the time, there were two large high
[50:05] schools that were built for
[50:07] approximately 1,200 students, and they
[50:09] were housing 17. And that changes things
[50:13] quite a bit. The halls get very crowded
[50:15] and the resources are are stretched
[50:18] thin. It's a very costefficient program.
[50:22] It's um use a facility twice. We have no
[50:26] construction costs that are go into the
[50:29] millions of dollars over a series of
[50:31] years.
[50:32] >> Saving money on schools seems essential
[50:34] at a time when bond issues for education
[50:36] are routinely being defeated. So, New
[50:39] Century offers a no frrills education.
[50:43] >> The only physical education class is
[50:45] night jogging. There are no sports teams
[50:47] and no school band. But some students
[50:49] seem to prefer this environment.
[50:51] According to principal McBride,
[50:53] >> they want a small school environment and
[50:56] they want an education. They want a good
[50:57] education. They want to focus on
[50:59] academics. Some come because
[51:02] um it's a refuge from the pompoms,
[51:06] the athletics, the
[51:09] social pressure that those activities
[51:12] um put on young people.
[51:15] >> In fact, standardized test scores show
[51:17] night school students doing better than
[51:19] their daytime counterparts. New Century
[51:22] Math and Science teacher Rosalyn
[51:23] Phillips sees night school as an
[51:25] essential part of the education wave of
[51:27] the future. I think this idea of having
[51:30] schools be open for longer periods of
[51:32] time and using the facilities more
[51:35] wisely is one that's going to happen.
[51:37] And whether it's two separate schools
[51:39] like Miss Century and Riveridge are or
[51:42] whether it's one school with a with an
[51:43] extended day that goes from 7:00 in the
[51:45] morning to 9:00 at night, I think we're
[51:47] going to see that particularly when we
[51:49] look at the fact that how we finance
[51:53] schools in this state. I think that
[51:55] rather than continuing to build new
[51:56] buildings all the time, we are going to
[51:58] have to look at some more um efficient
[52:00] use of our space.
[52:02] >> But not everybody is convinced about
[52:04] night schooling. In Puallup, Washington,
[52:06] where three bond issues for a new high
[52:08] school have failed in the last two
[52:10] years, overcrowding has reached a crisis
[52:12] point. According to Stan Cross, our
[52:15] facilities currently are so overcrowded
[52:17] now. We've been just kind of cramming
[52:19] the kids in uh each year. As an example,
[52:23] Cross says at Puallup's Rogers High,
[52:25] 1,800 students now squeeze into a
[52:28] building designed for 1,400. And you try
[52:31] to put 34 student desk into these small
[52:34] classrooms that are designed for 26. It
[52:37] is wallto-wall, student desk, and it is
[52:39] it's almost impossible for a teacher to
[52:42] to get around and work one-on-one with
[52:44] any of the kids in their own classroom.
[52:46] and uh uh it gets miserable day in and
[52:49] day out to teach in that kind of a
[52:51] facility.
[52:52] >> High school senior Anna Ericson who sits
[52:55] on a special committee charged with
[52:56] finding a solution to overcrowding says
[52:59] the board considered adding a night
[53:01] school but decided not to
[53:03] >> mostly for the reason of the disruption
[53:04] and it's it's it's hard to schedule.
[53:06] Also from an activity standpoint, it's
[53:08] really difficult to schedule football
[53:10] practices and basketball practices and
[53:12] the facilities and also if you have the
[53:13] demand of, you know, 4,000 students all
[53:16] want to use the same practice fields
[53:18] that that has become a problem as well.
[53:19] And as well as other extracurric
[53:21] activities such as music and band and
[53:23] using the performing arts at night if
[53:25] you have classes going on at things,
[53:26] there's just no time.
[53:28] >> Instead, Ericson says Puallup likely
[53:30] will extend the school day by adding
[53:32] classes earlier in the morning and later
[53:34] in the afternoon. Dick Williams of the
[53:37] University of Washington sees all these
[53:39] solutions as temporary and inadequate.
[53:42] >> Maybe we should be rethinking the way we
[53:43] fund our our schools, but as long as we
[53:46] are doing it the way we do on the basis
[53:47] of property taxes and and and the like,
[53:50] um
[53:52] uh you know, we're just going to keep
[53:54] bumping against this. And it bothers me.
[53:55] I think we should be building the
[53:57] facilities to house our children. It's a
[53:58] wonderful investment. It's an important
[54:00] investment. And we seem to be backing
[54:02] away from it and trying these other
[54:03] systems.
[54:06] By 900 p.m., Jessica Stockdale, the new
[54:08] Century Senior, heads home. But her
[54:11] night shift is far from over. There's
[54:13] still homework to be done. At least two
[54:15] more hours of study time before her
[54:18] school day ends.
[54:26] Again, the major stories of this Friday.
[54:28] The Commerce Department reported the
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[54:44] arrested and charged with selling
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[54:48] in Bosnia, the reunification of Sieo
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