CNN - 2003-03-17 - 11 a.m. (E)

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[0:00] into further material breach and what

[0:02] they did was get into further material

[0:03] breach and that's our judgment and we

[0:06] believe that the test of the resolution

[0:08] has been met with respect to uh uh the

[0:11] appropriateness of application of

[0:12] serious consequences

[0:13] >> and the Turks and the

[0:16] >> I'm I'm sorry on on the Turks and the

[0:19] situation in northern Iraq we are in the

[0:22] closest consultation with the Turks and

[0:24] uh uh let me say that we are very

[0:27] sensitive to Turkish concerns Uh we

[0:30] appreciate the fact that uh the Turkish

[0:32] government did take our request for uh

[0:36] deployments into their parliament uh at

[0:39] a difficult time for them with a prime

[0:40] minister who was still uh uh coming in

[0:44] so to speak. Mr. Erdogan was not the

[0:46] prime minister at that time and we are

[0:48] in the closest touch with them now on on

[0:50] a number of issues. one uh the

[0:52] possibility of resubmission and he he is

[0:55] committed to do that at a time that he

[0:57] believes is appropriate and secondly we

[0:59] don't think it would be useful right now

[1:01] to create any additional tension on the

[1:03] border between uh Turkey and northern

[1:06] Iraq and we are in discussions with them

[1:08] as to how to uh make sure that tensions

[1:12] can be kept at the lowest point and not

[1:15] to have difficulty in northern Iraq of

[1:17] the kind that concerns them. And we have

[1:19] also uh assured the Turks that in

[1:22] anything that the future might hold, we

[1:25] are committed to the territorial

[1:27] integrity of Iraq.

[1:30] >> I wanted to ask I wanted to ask uh just

[1:32] some personal reflections. Uh after 1441

[1:35] was passed, you were very very happy man

[1:37] and uh uh certainly it was quite a

[1:40] triumph. Um how have you been feeling

[1:42] the last few weeks? When did you realize

[1:44] that this was not going to happen? Do

[1:46] you wish you'd done anything

[1:47] differently? Do you wish you traveled

[1:49] more, changed your charact?

[1:51] >> This this uh this legend that is out

[1:54] there now that Colon Pal one he the

[1:56] first v variation of it was he doesn't

[1:59] travel and the next variation was he he

[2:02] hates to travel and the third variation

[2:03] was uh he will never travel and doesn't

[2:06] want to travel. um you you do your job

[2:10] by personal contact, by contact, by

[2:14] travel and by the use of modern

[2:16] technology so that uh you can get more

[2:19] bang for the time. And so, um, in the

[2:23] last 6 weeks, I have had, uh, four

[2:27] personal one-on-one meetings, direct

[2:29] meetings with the French foreign

[2:31] minister, with the British foreign

[2:34] minister,

[2:36] uh, with the Russian foreign minister,

[2:38] five such meetings with the Chinese

[2:41] foreign minister. I have gone to Davos

[2:44] in Switzerland where I addressed an

[2:45] international

[2:47] uh setting and at that meeting I met

[2:49] with the Turkish prime minister for

[2:52] almost two hours and the incoming

[2:54] Turkish prime minister Mr. Erdogan, I've

[2:57] had the Turkish a Turkish delegation

[2:59] here in the department, a full

[3:01] delegation, the foreign minister, the uh

[3:04] finance minister and they came to my

[3:05] home till midnight as we worked on the

[3:07] economic package. And so I uh believe

[3:11] that I have used my time properly. Uh at

[3:13] the same time, I went to Asia a few

[3:15] weeks ago. So I travel when I believe

[3:18] travel is appropriate. I'd like to

[3:20] travel more but you know the secretary

[3:21] of state has many responsibilities that

[3:24] he or she has to has to deal with and

[3:26] one hence to balance it all but I assure

[3:28] you that I do not uh shrink back from

[3:32] traveling and I will be traveling again

[3:34] soon.

[3:34] >> But any regrets anything you would have

[3:36] done different?

[3:37] I mean what you can always look and say

[3:41] you should have done this should have

[3:42] done that but the fact of the matter is

[3:44] we came up with a good resolution and we

[3:47] got a solid vote for it 15 to zero and

[3:51] then for a period of 4 months after that

[3:54] we worked hard with the inspectors we

[3:56] provided them intelligence the focus

[3:58] really was at the UN in New York not you

[4:01] know a lot of other places that's where

[4:02] we had to concentrate our effort and we

[4:05] did everything we could to try to

[4:08] persuade the council that what they were

[4:10] seeing was not compliance. What they

[4:12] were seeing was passive cooperation that

[4:15] didn't get to the heart of the matter

[4:16] which was a strategic decision by Sodom

[4:19] Hussein to comply.

[4:21] And that's what we weren't able to get

[4:23] and that's what uh we weren't able to

[4:25] convince some members of the council uh

[4:28] is what was needed uh in order for us to

[4:31] believe uh that Saddam Hussein was a

[4:35] changed regime was leading a changed

[4:38] regime uh that was willing now to

[4:41] cooperate with the international

[4:42] community and comply with its

[4:44] obligations. One last one

[4:46] >> Mr. Secretary you said that the

[4:47] ultimatum would be for Saddam Hussein to

[4:49] leave Iraq. Is there any form of

[4:51] disarmament or cooperation at this stage

[4:54] which could uh save his skin?

[4:56] >> I think the the time for diplomacy uh

[4:59] has passed. Um I think that's pretty

[5:02] clear. Uh that's what the leaders were

[5:05] saying in the Azors yesterday. Um and um

[5:10] we uh used last evening and uh this

[5:14] morning to consult broadly around the

[5:16] world. We did, the British did, the

[5:19] Spanish did. Um, a lot of people have

[5:21] been talking to each other this morning

[5:23] and over the overnight and it became

[5:25] clear that uh uh it would be best at

[5:28] this time to withdraw the resolution and

[5:30] I can think of nothing uh that Saddam

[5:32] Hussein could do diplomatically. I think

[5:34] that that time is now over. He had his

[5:37] chance. He's had many chances over the

[5:39] last 12 years and he has blown every one

[5:42] of those chances. Thank you.

[5:43] >> Thank you.

[5:45] And with that, President, we heard the

[5:46] US Secretary of State Coen Pal there

[5:48] coming out and offering us some more

[5:50] context and a bit more detail behind the

[5:52] decision made to pull that draft

[5:54] resolution that was offered by the US,

[5:56] Spain, and Great Britain there before

[5:58] the UN Security Council, which is not

[6:00] going to be voted upon now. And the

[6:01] reason why that happens now, according

[6:03] to Secretary of State Coen Powell, here

[6:05] is that it was clear that there was not

[6:07] enough support within the Security

[6:08] Council. And it was clear that at least

[6:10] one member, namely France, was going to

[6:12] veto the resolution in whatever form it

[6:14] took. Secretary of State Paul said that

[6:16] unfortunately, despite the best efforts

[6:18] to adjust the language in that

[6:19] resolution to make it more acceptable to

[6:21] more members, it was clear that it would

[6:23] be unproductive to follow through with

[6:25] that. We'll have some more on that

[6:26] coming up throughout the hour and

[6:27] throughout the day right here on the

[6:28] network. So, make sure you stay with us.

[6:29] >> Oh, we certainly will. We will continue

[6:31] to update on these fast breaking

[6:32] developments this morning. We have Dana

[6:34] Bash at the White House, Richard Roth at

[6:36] the United Nations, Nick Robertson in

[6:37] Baghdad, Robin Oakley in London where

[6:40] the prime minister Tony Blair is meeting

[6:41] with his cabinet. Robin will fill us in

[6:43] a little later. First, we want to begin

[6:45] at the White House with Dana Bash. The

[6:47] president is set to speak at 8:00

[6:48] Eastern time tonight. Dana, what will he

[6:51] say?

[6:52] Well, Carol, we are told at in that

[6:54] speech tonight, which will be given in

[6:56] the crossall in the White House, not in

[6:58] the Oval Office, he will say that the

[7:00] time has come uh for Saddam Hussein to

[7:02] leave the country or face military

[7:05] action. Ari Fleer earlier today saying

[7:07] quote to avoid military conflict, Saddam

[7:10] Hussein must leave the country. That is

[7:12] what we are told the president will say

[7:14] tonight. We are also told that he will

[7:16] give uh some kind of warning, a small

[7:18] window for uh US citizens and uh

[7:21] friendly uh friendly n foreign nationals

[7:24] to the United States. A small window to

[7:26] leave uh the country to leave Iraq. Uh

[7:29] it is very clearly an ultimatum to

[7:31] Saddam Hussein warning that military

[7:33] action is imminent. That is what the

[7:34] president is going to say tonight. And

[7:36] we just heard [ __ ] Powell, the secretary

[7:38] of state, explaining that the diplomatic

[7:41] window they have concluded is now

[7:43] closed.

[7:44] It is clear that there are some

[7:46] permanent members of the council that

[7:48] would veto any such resolution or any

[7:50] resolution resembling the one that the

[7:53] British tabled Friday before last at the

[7:55] United Nations. As a result of this, uh

[7:58] the United Kingdom, the United States,

[8:00] and Spain decided to not call for a vote

[8:04] on this resolution. Um we spent a great

[8:08] deal of time overnight uh and early this

[8:11] morning talking to friends and

[8:13] colleagues around the world about uh the

[8:16] resolution and it was our judgment

[8:19] reached by the United States, the United

[8:21] Kingdom and Spain that no further

[8:23] purpose would be served by pushing this

[8:25] resolution. So we are not going to ask

[8:27] for a vote on the resolution.

[8:31] >> You heard Coen Pal saying he made some

[8:33] calls this morning. He said 12 to 15

[8:35] calls. The president also made some

[8:37] calls to some of his key allies, those

[8:39] he met with yesterday, Tony Blair and

[8:41] Joseé Maria Aznar spoke with them this

[8:43] morning and we are told that at the

[8:44] meeting you see there Coen Powell

[8:46] arriving here at the White House this

[8:47] morning for the regular national

[8:49] security meeting. We are told that at at

[8:51] that meeting he informed the president

[8:52] uh of about the fact that he didn't

[8:54] think that it was going to going to work

[8:56] at the UN that uh that the the time as

[8:58] he said for diplomatic process at the UN

[9:01] it was closed. That was what they

[9:02] discussed in that meeting this morning.

[9:04] And I should also note, Carol, that we

[9:05] will have some other meetings here at

[9:07] the White House. The president will be

[9:08] meeting with the top congressional

[9:10] leaders uh later on this afternoon. Uh

[9:12] bipartisan meeting of for of uh the

[9:15] speaker of the house, Danny Hastard, and

[9:17] uh the Senate minority leader, Tom

[9:18] Dashel, and others. He will have some

[9:20] other meetings with members of Congress

[9:21] as well. all to prepare them for the

[9:24] speech he will give to the nation at

[9:26] 8:00 Eastern tonight where he will give

[9:28] that final ultimatum to Saddam Hussein

[9:30] to leave the country and give the signal

[9:32] to people in Iraq, US citizens and other

[9:36] in Iraq that it is time to leave. Carol

[9:39] Dana Bash reporting live from the White

[9:40] House. Of course, the president also

[9:42] early this morning or the US government

[9:44] um suggested that the arms inspectors

[9:46] leave um Iraq. Kofian ordered them to do

[9:49] that a little bit later this afternoon.

[9:52] Um, CNN's live coverage of the

[9:54] president's speech will begin at 7

[9:55] Eastern time. And as Dana told you, the

[9:57] president will be speaking to the nation

[9:59] to you at 8:00 Eastern time. Leon.

[10:02] >> All right. Diplomacy now apparently dead

[10:04] at the UN. We just heard Secretary of

[10:06] State Coen Powell saying that this was a

[10:08] test that the Security Council did not

[10:10] meet. You also heard that the UN plans

[10:12] to pull its weapons inspectors out of

[10:13] Iraq. That should happen almost any

[10:15] moment now. Lots going on there. Let's

[10:17] go right now to our UN correspondent,

[10:19] Richard Roth, who joins us with more on

[10:20] all of this. Hello, Richard.

[10:22] >> Hello, Leon. Well, it looks like that

[10:23] card game is not going to happen here. A

[10:25] week and a half ago, President Bush said

[10:27] it was going to be time for countries to

[10:29] show their card, see where they stand.

[10:30] Let's have a whip count. It's just not

[10:32] going to happen. It was the British who

[10:34] really needed this resolution. But when

[10:36] you hear Secretary Powell say the time

[10:38] for diplomacy has passed and he led a

[10:40] tireless effort in the Bush

[10:42] administration to bring the president

[10:44] back to the UN first several months ago

[10:46] for a resolution back again for another

[10:48] attempt at the last mile as Secretary

[10:50] Powell said. You know it's pretty much

[10:52] over. It was the British ambassador

[10:54] though who announced that the US, UK and

[10:57] Spain were withdrawing the resolution.

[11:01] Having held further discussions with

[11:03] council members over the weekend and in

[11:05] the last few hours, we have had to

[11:08] conclude

[11:10] that council consensus will not be

[11:12] possible in line with resolution 1441.

[11:18] One country in particular has underlined

[11:21] its intention to veto any ultimatum,

[11:25] quote, no matter what the circumstances,

[11:28] unquote.

[11:30] That country rejected our proposed

[11:32] compromise before even the Iraqi

[11:35] government itself

[11:37] and has put forward suggestions that

[11:39] would row back on the unanimous

[11:41] agreement of the council in resolution

[11:45] 1441

[11:47] and those suggestions would amount to no

[11:50] ultimatum, no pressure and no

[11:53] disarmament.

[11:55] Given the situation, the co-sponsors

[11:58] have agreed that we will not pursue a

[12:02] vote on the draft UK US Spanish

[12:06] resolution in blue. In blue, referring

[12:09] to diplomatic jargon here when a

[12:10] resolution is ready to be voted on

[12:12] within 24 hours. France's ambassador

[12:14] immediately responded to the Greenstock

[12:16] uh statement there saying that the

[12:18] reason the resolution was withdrawn is

[12:20] that 11 other members of the security

[12:22] council were not in favor of a

[12:23] resolution that would authorize force.

[12:26] There is still a dialogue going on

[12:28] inside the security council. Important

[12:29] notes that we're getting from a diplomat

[12:31] inside the France French ambassador

[12:33] again repeating he was unhappy about the

[12:35] public statement singling out France as

[12:37] the British ambassador just did. The

[12:38] German ambassador said it's no time to

[12:41] suspend inspectors, though it appears

[12:42] likely that Kofanan, who has not spoken

[12:44] yet in the council, will ask the

[12:46] security council a final blessing on

[12:48] withdrawing the weapons inspectors. The

[12:50] US ambassador inside Lyon saying the US

[12:52] had warned the inspectors to be prepared

[12:54] to move out of Iraq. And another

[12:57] ambassador from the Arab League said

[12:58] about the US withdrawal of the

[13:00] resolution and impending military

[13:02] action, quote, "It's a very grave day.

[13:04] This is the day that international law

[13:06] has been shoveled away. War will not

[13:08] solve this problem. Unfortunately, those

[13:10] who are going to war will find it very

[13:12] difficult to get out of it. Leon

[13:14] >> Richard Roth on a very important day at

[13:17] the UN. Thank you very much, Richard.

[13:18] Carol, over to you.

[13:20] >> Let's talk some more about this issue.

[13:21] We went ahead live to Iraq now and Nick

[13:23] Robertson who's in Baghdad. Uh Nick,

[13:26] you're probably not hearing what's

[13:27] happening this morning, but President

[13:29] Bush is set to go on television 8:00

[13:31] p.m. Eastern time and ask Saddam to

[13:33] leave his country. any possibility that

[13:36] he will do that?

[13:39] >> Absolutely no indications of that so

[13:41] far. What we've heard from the Iraqi

[13:43] leader over the past weeks and from some

[13:45] of the top officials as well, President

[13:47] Saddam Hussein set to stay here. That's

[13:49] the uh image that's been portrayed on

[13:52] television here. Many, many meetings

[13:53] meeting just last night with military

[13:55] commanders threatening to take the war

[13:57] if it comes to Iraq, take it all over

[13:59] the world. What we've seen President

[14:00] Saddam Hussein do this afternoon on

[14:03] Iraqi television is meet with Tunisia's

[14:05] foreign minister. He told the foreign

[14:07] minister Habib bin Yaha that Iraq had

[14:10] not given into United States threats or

[14:13] pressure to cooperate with UN weapons

[14:15] inspectors. The Iraqi leader saying that

[14:16] he'd done it because Iraq was serious.

[14:19] also saying that if the United States

[14:22] wants to be the leader of the uh free

[14:24] world and not the most hated state in

[14:27] the world as president Saddam Hussein

[14:29] put it then the United States should end

[14:31] its uh end its programs of weapon

[14:34] manufacturing weapons of mass

[14:35] destruction destroy its stocks then he

[14:38] said if the United States took those

[14:40] measures what would stop other countries

[14:42] then getting rid of their weapons we

[14:44] haven't heard this from the Iraqi leader

[14:46] before we also heard him tell the Iraqi

[14:48] people, explain to them at least why

[14:50] Iraq did have weapons of mass

[14:52] destruction in the first place. He said

[14:53] it was for defensive means. He talked

[14:55] about their 8-year war with Iran, the

[14:57] need to have weapons of mass

[14:59] destruction, chemical, biological

[15:01] weapons then to fight their neighbor at

[15:03] that time, that being back in 1980 to

[15:06] 1988. Of course, the Iraqi leader saying

[15:09] now the Iraq has no weapons of mass

[15:11] destruction. the view.

[15:15] >> Carol,

[15:16] >> Nick Robertson, I was just going to ask

[15:18] you about uh Saddam Hussein telling his

[15:20] people that Iraq at one time had weapons

[15:22] of mass destruction and the significance

[15:24] of that. Do we still have Nick?

[15:26] >> Nick, can you address that?

[15:30] >> Carol, it's very difficult for me to

[15:32] hear you at the moment. I think we're

[15:33] having trouble with the line if you can

[15:35] ask me the question again.

[15:36] >> Okay, one more time. Saddam Hussein

[15:38] telling his people that Iraq at one time

[15:40] had weapons of mass destruction. That's

[15:42] unusual. What's the significance of

[15:44] that?

[15:45] >> Well, at this time, the Iraqi leader

[15:47] really needs to keep support of the

[15:49] Iraqi population. Uh this type of

[15:51] explanation is not something the

[15:53] president talks about much on

[15:55] television. Of course, everyone here

[15:57] knows that the country has had weapons

[15:59] of mass destruction, chemical weapons in

[16:01] the past. The president laying out a

[16:03] reason why they had them. They needed

[16:05] them for defensive measures. These are

[16:06] the sort of explanations at this time.

[16:08] Perhaps they will weigh on people's

[16:10] minds at this time as the country heads

[16:12] into war. Of course, we've heard the

[16:13] Iraqi leadership say time and again and

[16:15] in their referendum last year they the

[16:17] president has 100% support of the

[16:19] people. Of course, that when we talk

[16:21] privately to people, not the case. What

[16:23] they're trying to do, it seems to be, is

[16:25] to remind their people of why they had

[16:27] these weapons and to try and at least

[16:29] keep some support at this very critical

[16:31] time. Carol

[16:32] >> Nick Robertson reporting live from

[16:34] Baghdad and we hope he stays safe there

[16:36] too. Stay with CNN for up totheminute

[16:38] developments on Iraq. Of course, we will

[16:40] bring you live coverage of President

[16:41] Bush's address to the nation. That's

[16:43] tonight at 8 Eastern, 5 Pacific time.

[16:46] And you can track the latest

[16:47] developments online at cnn.com/raq.

[16:50] Our in-depth special gives you the

[16:51] headlines and background on events

[16:53] leading up to this current showdown. I

[16:55] am very curious about the reaction in

[16:57] the UK because as we just heard from

[16:59] Secretary of State Col, this resolution

[17:01] was offered to give cover to Tony Blair

[17:03] >> and Tony Blair is supposedly now meeting

[17:05] with his cabinet members.

[17:06] >> Exactly. And we'll get some we'll get

[17:08] some uh some information from what's

[17:09] happening hopefully inside that meeting

[17:11] that might get rather tense because we

[17:12] hear there may be cabinet members

[17:14] talking about ditching Tony Blair. Now

[17:16] stay with us. We're going to whip around

[17:17] the world for some more reaction to

[17:18] these latest developments in the

[17:19] showdown with Iraq and we'll also go to

[17:21] Ruashid, Jordan. That's where refugees

[17:24] are crossing the border coming in from

[17:26] Iraq.

[17:26] >> And the father of accused kidnapper of

[17:29] Elizabeth Smart speaks out. He says

[17:31] don't judge his son too harshly. An

[17:33] exclusive interview just ahead.

[17:35] >> Plus, health officials are now in a race

[17:36] against time as hundreds of people have

[17:38] been hit by a mysterious and deadly

[17:41] respiratory illness. All that and much

[17:43] more coming up on CNN Live today.

[17:45] >> Oh, and the Dow, Leon, check it out. It

[17:48] is way up up 187 points on the latest

[17:51] developments happening this morning.

[17:53] Investors are reacting. The

[17:55] >> NASDAQ is up as well. It is up 37 points

[17:58] at this particular point. S&P is also

[18:00] up. All the markets now up with green

[18:02] arrows.

[18:02] >> Well, maybe the investors are saying

[18:03] finally something has happened.

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[21:03] >> CNN, the most trusted name in news.

[21:08] >> 11:23 Eastern time. Welcome back. So

[21:11] much is happening this morning. More

[21:12] breaking news to tell you about this

[21:14] time out of Britain. We've been telling

[21:16] you that second UN resolution has been

[21:18] pulled from the table at the United

[21:20] Nations. In fact, diplomacy seems to be

[21:22] dead right now. That resolution

[21:24] supposedly was to help Tony Blair's

[21:26] political career. Well, right now he is

[21:28] meeting with his cabinet in Britain.

[21:30] We're going to go to Robin Oakley

[21:31] shortly when we get him, but we

[21:32] understand that Robin Cook has resigned

[21:36] his post as the government's leader in

[21:38] the House of Commons. Now, Blair's

[21:40] office says the resignation came after a

[21:42] private meeting between Cook and the

[21:44] Prime Minister and shortly before that

[21:46] meeting that I told you about of the

[21:47] full cabinet. Now, Mr. Cook had

[21:50] threatened before to resign if um the

[21:53] United States and Britain insisted on

[21:55] going to war with Iraq. Of course, we

[21:57] don't know that there's going to be a

[21:58] war right now, but it sure looks that

[22:00] way. Again, Robin Cook, the British

[22:02] government's leader in the parliament,

[22:04] and he was a highly respected former

[22:05] foreign secretary. He has resigned.

[22:09] Don't know what this means to Tony Blair

[22:11] or his political stature in in Great

[22:13] Britain. Robin Oakley will join us

[22:15] shortly to tell us more about that.

[22:17] >> Yeah, very interesting. And while you

[22:18] were reporting Oh,

[22:20] >> we have Robin Oakley.

[22:21] >> We have Robin Oakley. Robin Oakley, are

[22:22] you there? Tell us more about this.

[22:24] >> Yes, I can hear you.

[22:26] >> Tell us what happened.

[22:30] >> Hello.

[22:32] >> Hello, Robin.

[22:33] >> Robin, can you hear me?

[22:35] >> Yes.

[22:36] >> Okay, tell us what happened.

[22:39] Carol, we have just heard that Robin

[22:40] Cook, the former foreign secretary and

[22:43] leader of the House of Commons, has left

[22:45] Tony Blair's cabinet because he is not

[22:47] prepared to support military action

[22:48] against Saddam Hussein without the

[22:50] sanction of a second UN Security Council

[22:53] resolution. Uh we're still waiting to

[22:55] hear if he's going to be joined in

[22:57] resigning from the cabinet by Cla Short,

[22:59] the International Development Secretary,

[23:01] who had threatened last week that she

[23:03] would go if there weren't backing from

[23:05] the UN Security Council. and she

[23:07] described Tony Blair's policy then as a

[23:10] reckless policy. Uh Robin Cook of course

[23:12] has had his differences with uh Tony

[23:15] Blair on a number of subjects and this

[23:17] will be a big blow though to the British

[23:19] prime minister at the start of a battle

[23:21] for public opinion because public

[23:23] opinion is divided 7030 against the idea

[23:26] of military action in Iraq without the

[23:29] backing of the UN. Tony Blair also faces

[23:32] a potential rebellion from his own Labor

[23:35] Party MPs. 122 of them rebelled last

[23:38] time. The issue was put before the

[23:40] British House of Commons. And it's

[23:41] expected that the rebellion will be even

[23:44] bigger when they are asked to bless the

[23:46] sending of troops uh to uh fight against

[23:49] Saddam Hussein for a cause which many of

[23:52] them see as one dictated by George Bush.

[23:55] Carol,

[23:56] >> we understand Jack Straw is going to

[23:59] address the people of Great Britain. Is

[24:00] that right, Robin? Do you know about

[24:02] that?

[24:04] We're expecting it has been a

[24:07] possibility that Jack Straw would be

[24:09] talking to the House of Commons at 7:00.

[24:11] Uh we'll have to wait and see what Tony

[24:13] Blair has to say now that it is quite

[24:15] clear that the diplomatic route has been

[24:17] abandoned uh and that military action is

[24:20] going to follow. It would be surprising

[24:22] if we did not hear from Tony Blair in

[24:24] some shape or form uh over the next few

[24:27] hours. But for the moment, the emergency

[24:29] cabinet meeting is going on. And the

[24:31] ministers at that cabinet meeting have

[24:33] been told by the British Attorney

[24:35] General, Lord Goldsmith, that there is

[24:37] legal authority for military action,

[24:40] which he bases on two early uh UN

[24:43] Security Council resolutions 678 and

[24:45] 687, which talk of the use of all

[24:48] necessary means to disarm Saddam

[24:50] Hussein. And of course, resolution 1441

[24:53] from last November, which threatened

[24:55] serious consequences for him if he

[24:57] didn't take this final opportunity to

[24:59] disarm.

[24:59] >> So, Robin, those 25,000 British troops

[25:01] in the Gulf, they'll be put into force

[25:04] by Tony Blair. The United States won't

[25:06] have to worry about that.

[25:09] >> No, the the I don't think there is any

[25:11] question of Tony Blair failing to

[25:13] support uh George Bush in terms of

[25:16] committing the British troops to

[25:17] military action. He's made it clear all

[25:19] along that he regards this as essential

[25:21] for the maintenance of the authority of

[25:23] the United Nations. He says it's got to

[25:25] live up to its threats against dictators

[25:28] like Saddam Hussein. And he's made it

[25:30] clear all along that he is willing to

[25:32] support George Bush. He wanted for

[25:33] preference to have a second UN Security

[25:35] Council resolution to give him political

[25:38] cover for doing so, but he's also made

[25:40] it clear he will live without that

[25:42] resolution if it comes to it. And that

[25:44] is what it has come to. Carol,

[25:46] >> Robin Oakley reporting live from London

[25:48] this morning. Thanks for that, Leon.

[25:50] >> Prime Minister Blair better had better

[25:52] be prepared for quite a few body blows

[25:54] to come in the days and weeks ahead. As

[25:56] you know, we've been watching the polls

[25:57] and the British public. He's only been

[25:59] supporting this uh this whole venture of

[26:01] a war only in the low teens percentage

[26:03] wise. So, there's going to be some very

[26:05] tough times ahead for Prime Minister

[26:06] Tony Blair. And we're going to keep our

[26:07] eyes on that situation there as well as

[26:09] around the world. A diplomatic solution

[26:12] for the showdown with Iraq pretty much

[26:14] off the table now. President Bush is

[26:16] going to be coming out and issuing an

[26:17] ultimatum tonight to Saddam Hussein and

[26:19] his cohorts as we heard this morning.

[26:21] But some world leaders are standing firm

[26:23] against military action in Iraq. And we

[26:25] have extensive coverage of the latest

[26:27] reaction coming in from around the globe

[26:28] this morning. CNN's Jim Berman is in

[26:31] Paris. Moscow bureau chief Jill Doerty

[26:33] is in the Russian capital. And Rule Amin

[26:36] is in Ruashid, Jordan. That's where

[26:37] refugees are crossing the border coming

[26:40] in from Iraq. Let's begin first of all

[26:42] with Jim Berman. Jim, hello.

[26:46] Hi Leon. Uh as you say the French

[26:49] position has not changed at all. before

[26:50] breakfast this morning. Uh Dominic

[26:53] Deville Pan, the foreign minister was on

[26:54] French radio saying that basically

[26:56] France still remains opposed to any kind

[26:59] of resolution in the United Nations that

[27:01] automatically implies the use of

[27:03] military force which was the case that

[27:05] with the resolution that was before uh

[27:07] the security council just recently

[27:09] withdrawn by uh by the United States in

[27:12] Great Britain. And uh the French

[27:15] ambassador to the United Nations says he

[27:16] believes that in fact the resolution was

[27:19] withdrawn because the United States and

[27:20] Great Britain realized that they did not

[27:22] have any kind of anything near majority

[27:24] support on the security council to get

[27:26] the resolution passed. The French have

[27:28] said this all along. They said it's not

[27:30] because of the veto that they have

[27:31] threatened, but rather the fact that the

[27:33] US and Great Britain came to recognize

[27:35] they could not get nine votes necessary

[27:37] to pass the resolution. And basically

[27:39] the French have stood on this position

[27:41] because of the fact that they believe

[27:43] the inspections are working. The

[27:45] inspectors that are being withdrawn

[27:46] today are not being withdrawn because

[27:48] their mission has come to some kind of a

[27:50] roadblock or come to some kind of an

[27:51] end. It's they're being withdrawn

[27:53] because they're under the threat of

[27:54] military force. So basically they

[27:56] believe the inspections can be uh made

[27:58] to work to disarm Iraq peacefully. A

[28:01] similar kind of view that one hears in

[28:03] Moscow I take it. And here's Jill Dhy to

[28:05] explain further.

[28:08] Mhm. Well, taking that um that

[28:10] resolution off the table really is

[28:12] something that Russia absolutely wanted.

[28:14] In fact, this morning you had a deputy

[28:16] foreign minister saying there is no way

[28:18] that that resolution is going to pass.

[28:20] After all, the Russians uh did not want

[28:23] it. They did not want to have it pass.

[28:25] But on the other hand, they didn't want

[28:27] to use their veto and damage the

[28:29] relationship with the United States. So

[28:31] now it's not an issue. You also had some

[28:34] comments from President Vladimir Putin

[28:36] who has maintained a studious silence

[28:38] over the past few weeks. He said that

[28:41] war in Iraq would be mistake and that it

[28:44] would be fraught with the gravest

[28:45] consequences which would result in

[28:47] casualties and also damage the

[28:50] international situation. This has uh

[28:52] created some problems of course between

[28:54] the United States and Russia. But today

[28:57] we had some fence mending. The uh Gorgi

[29:02] Mameed Sang.

[29:06] I guess we had some technical problems

[29:07] here.

[29:13] I'm standing at the town of Rwatia. This

[29:15] is the last Jordanian town before

[29:18] travelers get to the Iraqi border.

[29:20] Baghdad is just about 5 hours drive away

[29:23] from here. And throughout today we have

[29:25] seen diplomatic cars and other cars

[29:27] bringing diplomats and journalists who

[29:29] seem to think that Baghdad is not safe

[29:31] anymore with war looming so close. And

[29:34] 10 minutes just 10 minutes drive up this

[29:37] road there are where the Jordanian

[29:39] government and UN agencies are preparing

[29:41] to receive refugees. Refugees that will

[29:44] be fleeing Iraq in case there is a war.

[29:47] The UN estimates about 600,000 people

[29:49] will try to get out of Iraq into Iraq's

[29:52] neighboring countries like Jordan, like

[29:54] Turkey, like Iran. And they're trying to

[29:56] prepare the ground. The pace of work has

[29:58] really picked up since last week with

[30:00] bulldozers digging the ground, preparing

[30:02] the ground to set up this camp. For the

[30:05] town of Roat and for the rest of

[30:06] Jordanians, the fact that the diplomatic

[30:08] solution has closed down is just bad

[30:11] news. People here are very angry, very

[30:14] frustrated and they don't see that this

[30:15] war is justified and they don't see that

[30:18] it's legitimate. The humanitarian crisis

[30:20] that may result from this war is a major

[30:23] concern for people here where they feel

[30:25] that the Iraqi people may end up paying

[30:27] the highest price. Leon,

[30:29] >> well, the question that jumps to mind

[30:30] first is these people who are coming

[30:32] across the border, are they are they

[30:33] blaming their plight right now on Saddam

[30:36] Hussein or are they blaming it on the

[30:37] US?

[30:40] Well, there are no people crossing the

[30:42] border right now. However, um the people

[30:46] we have been talking to, even Iraqis who

[30:48] have left Iraq in the last few years and

[30:50] who usually blame Saddam Hussein for

[30:52] their misery, are very anxious and

[30:54] apprehensive about the US war, they keep

[30:57] on telling us that they cannot accept,

[30:59] no matter how much they dislike Saddam

[31:01] Hussein and they dislike his regime,

[31:03] they cannot accept the fact that the

[31:05] Americans would go to Iraq and occupy

[31:07] it. that they tell us this is

[31:08] unacceptable and they don't they will

[31:10] not accept it. Jordanians for example

[31:12] say that the Americans are going to war

[31:14] not to disarm Saddam Hussein. Many of us

[31:17] of them tell us that they are suspicious

[31:19] that the Americans are going to war in

[31:20] order to control the Iraqi oil to

[31:23] control the region. And that's why

[31:24] there's a very uh strong opposition to

[31:27] any military strike against Iraq. Even

[31:30] those people here who really wish to see

[31:31] the Saddam Hussein disappear tomorrow

[31:33] are very apprehensive about the fallouts

[31:36] of this war. For example, the Jordanian

[31:37] government here has made it very clear

[31:39] that there will be some economic huge

[31:42] economic losses for Jordanians in case

[31:44] there is a war because Iraq is a main

[31:47] trading partner for Jordan and they will

[31:49] lose a lot if there is a war. Leon.

[31:52] >> All right. Thank you very much, Ru. Rul,

[31:54] before we let you go, let me ask you one

[31:55] last question. The question is whether

[31:58] or not people there that you've been

[31:59] talking to actually believe that

[32:01] whatever happens that when this is all

[32:02] over and it's said and done that there

[32:04] will be a better chance for true

[32:05] democracy in that region.

[32:08] >> Well Leon actually this argument doesn't

[32:11] sell here. For example they say if the

[32:13] US really wants democracy in Iraq why is

[32:15] it only Iraq? How come the US is not

[32:17] pressuring other allies in the region

[32:20] different Arab countries who are not

[32:22] democratic? The other thing is that

[32:24] people are concerned for Iraq stability

[32:27] and for the integrity of Iraq as a

[32:29] country. Even the governments, the Arab

[32:31] governments who are very uh much

[32:33] anti-Saddam Hussein, they are concerned

[32:36] that instability in Iraq would lead to

[32:38] instability in their own countries.

[32:40] Leon.

[32:41] >> All right. And speaking of instability,

[32:43] you may have some there. So, we want you

[32:44] to be careful. Rula Amin reporting live

[32:46] for us from Roashid there on the border

[32:48] of Jordan and Iran. Take care. Be

[32:50] careful. It sounded pretty dicey there

[32:52] for a time, but she's okay. She's okay.

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[35:43] >> 37 minutes past the hour on Monday, the

[35:45] 17th day of March. Here are the

[35:47] headlines for you. Palestinian sources

[35:48] say Israeli raids in Gaza today left at

[35:51] least nine people dead. Israel says a

[35:53] senior Islamic Shihad activist is among

[35:55] the dead. Israel has now shut down the

[35:57] West Bank and Gaza fearing terror

[35:59] attacks on the Jewish holiday of PUM.

[36:02] The murder trial of James Cop is getting

[36:04] underway today in Buffalo. Cop admits he

[36:06] shot Barnett Slepian, a doctor who

[36:08] performed abortions. Cop waved his right

[36:11] to a jury trial. The judge is expected

[36:13] to conclude the proceedings today. And

[36:16] prices remain at near record highs at

[36:18] gas pumps across the country. Motorists

[36:21] are paying an average of a $1.71 a

[36:23] gallon as prices soar in the run-up to a

[36:25] possible war in Iraq.

[36:27] >> And speaking of that, now let's here's

[36:29] uh the latest rundown on what's

[36:30] happening in this showdown with Iraq

[36:32] this hour. Here now the latest. The US,

[36:34] Britain, and Spain have withdrawn their

[36:36] UN resolution on Iraq. All saying that

[36:39] there were not enough votes to win

[36:40] approval in the UN. Now, with military

[36:43] action all but certain, we are told that

[36:44] UN Secretary General Kofi Anan will heed

[36:47] a US call to withdraw inspectors from

[36:49] Iraq. We're expecting to hear as well

[36:52] from President Bush tonight. He'll

[36:53] address the nation and the world at 8:00

[36:56] p.m. Eastern. CNN coverage of that will

[36:58] begin at 7 Eastern. Mr. Bush is expected

[37:01] to come out and deliver an ultimatum to

[37:02] Saddam Hussein. Leave Iraq or face war.

[37:07] >> All right, let's head live to the State

[37:08] Department now and check in with Andrea

[37:10] Cppel. Andrea, I'm sure you were

[37:11] monitoring that press conference by Coen

[37:13] Powell. It intrigued me that he was very

[37:15] careful to say that any action the

[37:17] United States might take would be

[37:19] supported by international law. Why did

[37:22] he say that? Well, Carol, he said that

[37:25] because the United States, Great

[37:26] Britain, and Spain are not going to take

[37:28] military action against Iraq with the

[37:31] backing of the United Nations by pulling

[37:33] this resolution. uh they are not going

[37:35] to have the support of the security

[37:39] council although what they're saying is

[37:41] that the previous 12 years worth of

[37:43] resolutions including 1441

[37:46] gives them the legal basis because

[37:48] Saddam Hussein had not complied with

[37:50] those resolutions was therefore in

[37:52] violation and that gives them uh the

[37:54] right to go forward certainly under

[37:56] legal guidelines but having said that

[37:58] Carol a couple of things I'd want to

[38:00] point out Secretary Pal as you might

[38:02] expect put it quite diplomatically when

[38:04] he said that the time for diplomacy has

[38:07] passed. But put more bluntly, you could

[38:09] also say that the last six months of US

[38:13] diplomacy has failed to disarm Iraq

[38:16] peacefully. Instead, Secretary Pal said

[38:18] when we hear from the president later

[38:21] tonight, the president will tell the

[38:23] world and tell Saddam Hussein the only

[38:25] way left to avoid war.

[38:29] In his speech, he clearly will issue an

[38:31] ultimatum to Sodom Hussein that the only

[38:34] way to avoid the serious consequences

[38:37] that were built into 1441 is for Sodom

[38:41] Hussein and his immediate cohort uh to

[38:43] leave the country and to allow uh this

[38:46] matter to be resolved through the

[38:49] peaceful entry of force and not a

[38:50] conflict.

[38:52] Secretary Pal spent the better part of

[38:54] last night and this morning, Carol,

[38:56] talking with foreign ministers around

[38:58] the world. He said that his British and

[39:00] Spanish counterpart did the same thing.

[39:02] And it was only after they had the last

[39:04] evening and morning's worth of phone

[39:06] calls that they came to to the decision

[39:08] that they were never going to get this

[39:10] second resolution through the UN because

[39:12] of strong opposition and threats from

[39:14] France uh to veto. Carol,

[39:16] >> you know, Colon Powell was asked by a

[39:18] reporter if he had regretted anything

[39:21] he'd done in the past couple of months.

[39:23] I mean, should he have visited countries

[39:24] more? Should he have boarded a plane and

[39:26] actually flew to that country to sit

[39:28] down and talk? And Mr. Pal seem quite

[39:30] irritated by that question. It it

[39:32] certainly is a sore subject. He has come

[39:34] under a certain degree of criticism by

[39:37] for that matter by former secretaries of

[39:39] state George Schultz just over the

[39:41] weekend. Uh seemed to level a certain

[39:43] degree of criticism at Secretary Pal

[39:46] saying that perhaps if he had actually

[39:48] gone overseas, spent time in

[39:50] face-to-face meetings as he had done

[39:53] that is former Secretary of State George

[39:55] Schultz before the first Persian Gulf

[39:57] War that perhaps diplomacy might not

[39:59] have failed. But Secretary Pal pointed

[40:01] out that he had met with many of his

[40:03] colleagues as many as four or five times

[40:06] up at the United Nations over in Europe

[40:09] uh and as well when he went to Asia

[40:12] earlier last month. And so Secretary

[40:15] Pal, as you might imagine, quite

[40:17] defensive, but he also said, Carol, that

[40:19] thanks to the technology of the 21st

[40:21] century, he's been able to keep in quite

[40:23] quite close contact. And in point of

[40:25] effect, the the job of a secretary of

[40:27] state is also to be in town to advise

[40:30] the president. Carol,

[40:31] >> Andrea Capell reporting live for us from

[40:32] the State Department today. Leon,

[40:34] >> well, Secretary Powell is not overseas

[40:36] right now, but we know who is about

[40:37] 250,000 US and British troops. They are

[40:40] overseas. They are in the Persian Gulf

[40:42] region right now awaiting their orders

[40:44] to strike against Iraq. And it now

[40:46] appears those orders may come very soon.

[40:49] Joining us now with some insight on US

[40:51] war planning and what we can expect to

[40:53] come in the coming days is CNN military

[40:55] analyst and retired Army Brigadier

[40:56] General David Graange who was in Chicago

[40:58] as always. Good to see you again,

[41:00] General.

[41:00] >> Good to see you.

[41:01] >> Now, as we all if we as we've heard this

[41:03] morning now, we have seen this

[41:04] diplomatic option being taken off the

[41:05] table. But we hear President Bush is

[41:06] going to come out tonight and say Saddam

[41:08] Hussein has a number of days before he

[41:10] to leave the country or face war. What

[41:13] do you think happens now for the

[41:14] military in the next couple of days?

[41:17] Well, the military is going to continue

[41:18] to reposition forces already in a region

[41:22] and they'll also position new forces

[41:24] that have yet to arrive. Uh the troops

[41:27] on the ground or aboard ship will

[41:29] continue to uh refine the tactics and

[41:32] techniques they use, for instance, in

[41:34] fighting in trench lines, bunkers, uh

[41:37] clearing buildings if they have to fight

[41:38] in builtup areas, and and procedures on

[41:41] defense against chemical or biological

[41:43] warfare. Uh those things will be

[41:45] fine-tuned test firing weapons and

[41:47] constant constant maintenance in this

[41:49] desert environment.

[41:50] >> Let's talk about a couple of these

[41:51] specific groups. Talk starting now with

[41:53] the carrier groups that are in that are

[41:55] going to be moving into the Red Sea

[41:56] right now. The USS Harry Truman and the

[41:59] Theodore Roosevelt.

[42:01] Yeah, those uh carrier battle groups

[42:03] will move into those positions in order

[42:05] to fire uh let's say um tomahawk

[42:08] missiles where they could the flight of

[42:10] the missile will go over Saudi Arabia,

[42:12] let's say instead of Syria, which would

[42:14] be the case if it was in the

[42:15] Mediterranean, as well as launching air

[42:17] strikes, attack aircraft from these

[42:18] carrier battle groups uh into targets in

[42:21] Western Iraq or actually anywhere in

[42:22] Iraq uh from the Red Sea. So, that's

[42:25] just one of the approaches.

[42:26] >> All right, how about on the ground? Who

[42:28] goes in first on the ground? Well, it's

[42:30] it's uh it's hard to say and and I'm

[42:33] sure that the plan will be uh tweaked uh

[42:36] now and then as intelligence is is

[42:38] developed, but you know, you have uh

[42:40] some key units already on the ground.

[42:42] You have the third infantry division

[42:43] called the Rock of the M and 101st

[42:46] Airborne Division. So, you have a ground

[42:48] and a aerial envelopment type force and

[42:51] that's probably on the uh the western

[42:53] side of Kuwait. And then on the eastern

[42:55] side, you have the ability to put in

[42:57] Marines if you'd like to. uh with the

[43:00] British counterparts and that gives you

[43:02] also a heavy and a light force mix. So

[43:04] they got two very flexible forces

[43:06] arrayed that uh either one can go in uh

[43:10] simultaneously or one right after

[43:11] another, but those are your leading

[43:12] forces.

[43:13] >> And it looks like those forces the most

[43:14] resistance they're going to they're

[43:16] going to encounter is going to be around

[43:17] Baghdad. We've seen in the last few days

[43:19] or so Saddam Hussein has been

[43:20] consolidating all of his defenses or

[43:22] most of his defenses around Baghdad

[43:24] right now. Why do you think he's pulling

[43:26] everything down from the north and up

[43:28] from the south?

[43:29] >> Yeah, there'll be some resistance

[43:30] probably in river crossing sites and

[43:32] some of the other uh villages in route

[43:34] to the Baghdad area. But he, you know,

[43:36] he'll want for survivability, he's

[43:38] pulled forces like air defense as an

[43:40] example from the north and the northern

[43:42] and southern no-fly zones in order to

[43:45] protect them from coalition aircraft.

[43:47] And so that's a survivability move. And

[43:49] then the other is that he has to get

[43:50] into a defensive posture because he

[43:52] really cannot maneuver. If he maneuvers

[43:54] forces in the open, they'll be destroyed

[43:56] immediately. So, he has to hunker down

[43:58] and dig in around Baghdad.

[44:00] >> You know, and we've been talking so much

[44:01] in the past few weeks about how Saddam

[44:02] Hussein has been playing world public

[44:04] opinion against the US in the coalition

[44:06] here. Is there any way at all to prevent

[44:09] him from from placing people civilians

[44:12] in harm's way in a fashion in which it

[44:14] will it will off have to reflect

[44:16] negatively on the US. Is it is it at all

[44:18] possible that he may end up shooting or

[44:20] something or harming his own people

[44:22] purposely for that sort of purpose?

[44:24] >> Well, Saddam, for instance, could

[44:27] contaminate uh a village, let's say in

[44:29] the the southern area, uh a Shiite

[44:32] village just to contaminate an avenue of

[44:34] approach that the coalition forces may

[44:35] have to use to get to Baghdad just to

[44:38] slow it down. Uh he could cause he uses

[44:41] people for human shields. I mean, I'm

[44:43] sure he'll use that tactic around

[44:44] Baghdad and then try to exploit that

[44:46] with disinformation.

[44:47] >> Well, let me ask you if you just one

[44:48] last question here about the word that

[44:50] we got from our Barbara Star at the

[44:51] Pentagon this morning that the Pentagon

[44:53] may have heard some chatter about the

[44:55] possible use of some sort of chemical

[44:57] weapon by Saddam Hussein. This is

[44:59] already being mentioned now in chatter

[45:01] that's being overheard by intelligence

[45:03] uh agencies. Do you think that's a

[45:05] possibility here? And would you be

[45:07] prepared here now for perhaps a

[45:09] preemptive strike by Saddam Hussein with

[45:11] a weapon like that?

[45:13] >> I'm sure that the uh coalition forces

[45:16] are are planning for that possibility

[45:18] because you know this could you know

[45:20] we're talking about when the president

[45:21] talks so many days before an attack but

[45:24] you know Saddam can start this war

[45:26] himself and so yes I think the coalition

[45:28] forces have considered that and are

[45:30] taking precautionary measures.

[45:32] >> General David Grange, thank you very

[45:33] much as always. Appreciate it. Take

[45:34] care. My

[45:35] >> pleasure. Carol.

[45:36] >> And with all this talk of imminent war,

[45:38] a protest for peace in President Bush's

[45:40] backyard, the voices of America speak

[45:42] out. And our Maria Inahosa is there

[45:44] live.

[45:46] >> Well, as the possibility of war

[45:47] increases by the minute, now the

[45:49] pressure from anti-war protesters

[45:51] increases as well. This time with civil

[45:53] disobedience at the capital, coming up

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[48:32] 11:50 Eastern time. After a weekend of

[48:34] global protest against President Bush's

[48:36] Iraq war policy, demonstrators now plan

[48:39] a day of civil disobedience in

[48:41] Washington. CNN's Maria Enosa is

[48:43] covering the story today in the nation's

[48:45] capital. What's happening there now?

[48:47] Well, Carol, people are continuing to be

[48:49] arrested right behind me over the steps

[48:51] of the capital. But, you know, I've been

[48:52] to several demonstrations now for the

[48:54] several past weeks, and this one was

[48:56] certainly the most solemn that I've

[48:57] seen. Just a lot of sad looking faces, a

[49:00] lot of faces looking like resignation,

[49:01] knowing that the possibility of war

[49:03] really is imminent now. Now, they

[49:05] started off earlier today at a church uh

[49:07] where they heard some spiritual words

[49:09] from the reverend there. And then they

[49:11] marched through the streets down to the

[49:12] cap. They marched singing songs like We

[49:15] Shall Overcome and uh America the

[49:18] Beautiful. Um and then once they made it

[49:20] here uh they were then very uh

[49:23] peacefully arrested. They were told that

[49:25] if they crossed into a police line that

[49:27] they would then be arrested. They were

[49:29] approaching uh by maybe three or four.

[49:31] Now the people they are being charged

[49:34] with crossing a police line and then

[49:36] they are being asked to pay a $50 fee

[49:38] and or fine rather and then apparently

[49:40] they're being released. Most of them are

[49:42] being uh led away walking. Some have

[49:45] been carried. Now the first people who

[49:47] were arrested were a group from uh

[49:49] September 11th families for peaceful

[49:50] tomorrows. These are all people who have

[49:52] lost relatives on September 11th. Many

[49:55] of them spoke just before they began the

[49:57] march today.

[49:59] >> And this war is just a sense it's wrong.

[50:03] And I mean that's a legacy I would get

[50:05] much from my son that this is it's just

[50:07] too complex to solve it in this fashion.

[50:12] As someone who lost a family member on

[50:14] September 11th, I know what it's like to

[50:16] experience shock and awe. I know what

[50:18] it's like to have someone killed um when

[50:21] something comes out of the sky and and

[50:23] kills them. And that's what we're about

[50:24] to do um to the people in Baghdad.

[50:29] >> All right. Now, we know that there are

[50:30] 54 people who have been arrested, 23

[50:33] women and 31 men. They say that they

[50:36] will continue. They had told us a number

[50:37] of about 60. So they may be just done

[50:39] with the civil disobedience at the

[50:41] capital that hope they hope inspires a

[50:42] week of civil disobedience perhaps even

[50:45] while the war has gone on. Now back to

[50:47] you

[50:47] >> Maria Edina Hosa reporting live from our

[50:49] nation's capital today.

[50:51] >> All right as we remarked earlier the

[50:52] markets they seem to be taking this news

[50:54] that this

[50:55] >> oh crazy

[50:56] >> this resolution's been taken off the

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[51:12] And uh the S&P was also up as well a

[51:14] moment ago. So, we got a trifecta on

[51:16] this morning.

[51:16] >> We certainly do. And we'll have much

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[54:20] We have breaking news again to tell you

[54:22] about this morning. UN weapons

[54:23] inspectors will be pulling out of Iraq

[54:26] on Tuesday. As you know, very early this

[54:29] morning, word came from the US

[54:30] government that uh weapons inspectors

[54:32] were to leave Baghdad. That was the

[54:34] suggestion from the US government. Kofan

[54:37] later agreed and those UN inspectors

[54:39] will be out of Iraq by tomorrow,

[54:41] Tuesday. Let's go live to Baghdad right

[54:43] now and check in with Nick Robertson.

[54:45] Are you hearing about any of this, Nick?

[54:48] Absolutely, Carol. The UN weapons

[54:51] inspection spokesman here, Hiroeki, says

[54:53] although they have not yet had word from

[54:55] the UN weapons chief, Hans Blick's

[54:57] formal word that they should evacuate

[55:00] their staff from Baghdad, he did say

[55:02] that they do expect to begin their

[55:04] pulling out all their staff on Tuesday.

[55:06] Now, he does plan and they do plan to

[55:09] fly their staff out of Iraq. Currently

[55:11] they have one aircraft, a large uh

[55:13] militarystyle transport L130 aircraft on

[55:16] the uh at Saddam International Airport,

[55:18] the main airport here in Iraq. And that

[55:20] is the aircraft they expect these UN

[55:22] weapons inspectors to depart on. Of

[55:24] course, for the Iraqi people, that

[55:26] really will be a very clear sign that

[55:28] the end has come and that war will be

[55:31] very, very imminent. Carol

[55:34] >> Hick Robertson, thanks for the update.

[55:35] Live from Baghdad. Again, those weapons

[55:37] inspectors in Iraq will be pulling out

[55:39] by tomorrow. Well, right now traders are

[55:42] pulling out the stops, believe it or

[55:43] not, in the wake of all this news. Let's

[55:44] go right now to Alan Chernoff in New

[55:46] York to get the very latest on what's

[55:47] happening with the markets. Hello, Alan.

[55:49] >> Hi, Leon. You know, it's somewhat

[55:50] grizzly to think in these terms. But

[55:52] nonetheless, this is the reality of Wall

[55:54] Street. The stock market, as you see,

[55:56] having a big rally, the Dow Jones

[55:57] Industrial Average popping just over 200

[56:00] moments ago. And what's happening here

[56:02] is that a lot of money managers are

[56:04] essentially placing bets on the war.

[56:06] It's been widely anticipated that the

[56:08] stock market would have a nice rally

[56:10] once there were signs that a war, if it

[56:13] were to occur, were successful. Well,

[56:16] what's happening today is that people

[56:18] saying, "We're clearly going to war and

[56:20] we're betting that it's going to be

[56:22] quick. It's going to be a success." And

[56:24] people are putting down their bets right

[56:26] now. As one trader said, there is fear

[56:28] of the market going up rather than the

[56:31] fear of market going down. So, people

[56:33] are jumping in right now. Leon Carol.

[56:35] >> All right. Good deal. Thanks, Alan.

[56:37] We'll let you watch that throughout the

[56:38] day. We'll get back to you. And folks,

[56:39] we appreciate you joining us this

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[58:00] In his speech, he clearly will issue an

[58:03] ultimatum to Sodom Hussein that the only

[58:06] way to avoid the serious consequences

[58:08] that were built into 1441 is for Sodom

[58:12] Hussein and his immediate cohort uh to

[58:15] leave the country and to allow uh this

[58:18] matter to be resolved through the

[58:20] peaceful entry of force and out of

[58:22] conflict.

[58:24] Good afternoon everyone. Events are

[58:26] moving quickly on this day. President

[58:27] Bush has called a moment of truth for

[58:30] the world. I'm Anderson Cooper in today

[58:31] for Wolf Blitzer at the CNN Center in

[58:34] Atlanta. In the last hour, as you just

[58:36] saw, America's top diplomat Colon Powell

[58:38] previewed a speech from the

[58:39] commander-in-chief. Here's what's

[58:41] happening right now. Mr. Bush is

[58:43] preparing for that speech, a nationwide

[58:45] address in which he'll do what the UN

[58:47] Security Council will not, set an

[58:49] ultimatum for Iraq. He won't demand

[58:52] disarmament. He will demand the

[58:53] permanent exile of Saddam Hussein. The

[58:56] speech is scheduled for 8:00 PM Eastern,

[58:58] 5 Pacific, and CNN special coverage

[59:01] starts 1 hour before that. Facing

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[59:10] Anyway, the US and Britain made a point

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