CNN - 2003-03-17 - 11 a.m. (E)
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[0:00] into further material breach and what
[0:02] they did was get into further material
[0:03] breach and that's our judgment and we
[0:06] believe that the test of the resolution
[0:08] has been met with respect to uh uh the
[0:11] appropriateness of application of
[0:12] serious consequences
[0:13] >> and the Turks and the
[0:16] >> I'm I'm sorry on on the Turks and the
[0:19] situation in northern Iraq we are in the
[0:22] closest consultation with the Turks and
[0:24] uh uh let me say that we are very
[0:27] sensitive to Turkish concerns Uh we
[0:30] appreciate the fact that uh the Turkish
[0:32] government did take our request for uh
[0:36] deployments into their parliament uh at
[0:39] a difficult time for them with a prime
[0:40] minister who was still uh uh coming in
[0:44] so to speak. Mr. Erdogan was not the
[0:46] prime minister at that time and we are
[0:48] in the closest touch with them now on on
[0:50] a number of issues. one uh the
[0:52] possibility of resubmission and he he is
[0:55] committed to do that at a time that he
[0:57] believes is appropriate and secondly we
[0:59] don't think it would be useful right now
[1:01] to create any additional tension on the
[1:03] border between uh Turkey and northern
[1:06] Iraq and we are in discussions with them
[1:08] as to how to uh make sure that tensions
[1:12] can be kept at the lowest point and not
[1:15] to have difficulty in northern Iraq of
[1:17] the kind that concerns them. And we have
[1:19] also uh assured the Turks that in
[1:22] anything that the future might hold, we
[1:25] are committed to the territorial
[1:27] integrity of Iraq.
[1:30] >> I wanted to ask I wanted to ask uh just
[1:32] some personal reflections. Uh after 1441
[1:35] was passed, you were very very happy man
[1:37] and uh uh certainly it was quite a
[1:40] triumph. Um how have you been feeling
[1:42] the last few weeks? When did you realize
[1:44] that this was not going to happen? Do
[1:46] you wish you'd done anything
[1:47] differently? Do you wish you traveled
[1:49] more, changed your charact?
[1:51] >> This this uh this legend that is out
[1:54] there now that Colon Pal one he the
[1:56] first v variation of it was he doesn't
[1:59] travel and the next variation was he he
[2:02] hates to travel and the third variation
[2:03] was uh he will never travel and doesn't
[2:06] want to travel. um you you do your job
[2:10] by personal contact, by contact, by
[2:14] travel and by the use of modern
[2:16] technology so that uh you can get more
[2:19] bang for the time. And so, um, in the
[2:23] last 6 weeks, I have had, uh, four
[2:27] personal one-on-one meetings, direct
[2:29] meetings with the French foreign
[2:31] minister, with the British foreign
[2:34] minister,
[2:36] uh, with the Russian foreign minister,
[2:38] five such meetings with the Chinese
[2:41] foreign minister. I have gone to Davos
[2:44] in Switzerland where I addressed an
[2:45] international
[2:47] uh setting and at that meeting I met
[2:49] with the Turkish prime minister for
[2:52] almost two hours and the incoming
[2:54] Turkish prime minister Mr. Erdogan, I've
[2:57] had the Turkish a Turkish delegation
[2:59] here in the department, a full
[3:01] delegation, the foreign minister, the uh
[3:04] finance minister and they came to my
[3:05] home till midnight as we worked on the
[3:07] economic package. And so I uh believe
[3:11] that I have used my time properly. Uh at
[3:13] the same time, I went to Asia a few
[3:15] weeks ago. So I travel when I believe
[3:18] travel is appropriate. I'd like to
[3:20] travel more but you know the secretary
[3:21] of state has many responsibilities that
[3:24] he or she has to has to deal with and
[3:26] one hence to balance it all but I assure
[3:28] you that I do not uh shrink back from
[3:32] traveling and I will be traveling again
[3:34] soon.
[3:34] >> But any regrets anything you would have
[3:36] done different?
[3:37] I mean what you can always look and say
[3:41] you should have done this should have
[3:42] done that but the fact of the matter is
[3:44] we came up with a good resolution and we
[3:47] got a solid vote for it 15 to zero and
[3:51] then for a period of 4 months after that
[3:54] we worked hard with the inspectors we
[3:56] provided them intelligence the focus
[3:58] really was at the UN in New York not you
[4:01] know a lot of other places that's where
[4:02] we had to concentrate our effort and we
[4:05] did everything we could to try to
[4:08] persuade the council that what they were
[4:10] seeing was not compliance. What they
[4:12] were seeing was passive cooperation that
[4:15] didn't get to the heart of the matter
[4:16] which was a strategic decision by Sodom
[4:19] Hussein to comply.
[4:21] And that's what we weren't able to get
[4:23] and that's what uh we weren't able to
[4:25] convince some members of the council uh
[4:28] is what was needed uh in order for us to
[4:31] believe uh that Saddam Hussein was a
[4:35] changed regime was leading a changed
[4:38] regime uh that was willing now to
[4:41] cooperate with the international
[4:42] community and comply with its
[4:44] obligations. One last one
[4:46] >> Mr. Secretary you said that the
[4:47] ultimatum would be for Saddam Hussein to
[4:49] leave Iraq. Is there any form of
[4:51] disarmament or cooperation at this stage
[4:54] which could uh save his skin?
[4:56] >> I think the the time for diplomacy uh
[4:59] has passed. Um I think that's pretty
[5:02] clear. Uh that's what the leaders were
[5:05] saying in the Azors yesterday. Um and um
[5:10] we uh used last evening and uh this
[5:14] morning to consult broadly around the
[5:16] world. We did, the British did, the
[5:19] Spanish did. Um, a lot of people have
[5:21] been talking to each other this morning
[5:23] and over the overnight and it became
[5:25] clear that uh uh it would be best at
[5:28] this time to withdraw the resolution and
[5:30] I can think of nothing uh that Saddam
[5:32] Hussein could do diplomatically. I think
[5:34] that that time is now over. He had his
[5:37] chance. He's had many chances over the
[5:39] last 12 years and he has blown every one
[5:42] of those chances. Thank you.
[5:43] >> Thank you.
[5:45] And with that, President, we heard the
[5:46] US Secretary of State Coen Pal there
[5:48] coming out and offering us some more
[5:50] context and a bit more detail behind the
[5:52] decision made to pull that draft
[5:54] resolution that was offered by the US,
[5:56] Spain, and Great Britain there before
[5:58] the UN Security Council, which is not
[6:00] going to be voted upon now. And the
[6:01] reason why that happens now, according
[6:03] to Secretary of State Coen Powell, here
[6:05] is that it was clear that there was not
[6:07] enough support within the Security
[6:08] Council. And it was clear that at least
[6:10] one member, namely France, was going to
[6:12] veto the resolution in whatever form it
[6:14] took. Secretary of State Paul said that
[6:16] unfortunately, despite the best efforts
[6:18] to adjust the language in that
[6:19] resolution to make it more acceptable to
[6:21] more members, it was clear that it would
[6:23] be unproductive to follow through with
[6:25] that. We'll have some more on that
[6:26] coming up throughout the hour and
[6:27] throughout the day right here on the
[6:28] network. So, make sure you stay with us.
[6:29] >> Oh, we certainly will. We will continue
[6:31] to update on these fast breaking
[6:32] developments this morning. We have Dana
[6:34] Bash at the White House, Richard Roth at
[6:36] the United Nations, Nick Robertson in
[6:37] Baghdad, Robin Oakley in London where
[6:40] the prime minister Tony Blair is meeting
[6:41] with his cabinet. Robin will fill us in
[6:43] a little later. First, we want to begin
[6:45] at the White House with Dana Bash. The
[6:47] president is set to speak at 8:00
[6:48] Eastern time tonight. Dana, what will he
[6:51] say?
[6:52] Well, Carol, we are told at in that
[6:54] speech tonight, which will be given in
[6:56] the crossall in the White House, not in
[6:58] the Oval Office, he will say that the
[7:00] time has come uh for Saddam Hussein to
[7:02] leave the country or face military
[7:05] action. Ari Fleer earlier today saying
[7:07] quote to avoid military conflict, Saddam
[7:10] Hussein must leave the country. That is
[7:12] what we are told the president will say
[7:14] tonight. We are also told that he will
[7:16] give uh some kind of warning, a small
[7:18] window for uh US citizens and uh
[7:21] friendly uh friendly n foreign nationals
[7:24] to the United States. A small window to
[7:26] leave uh the country to leave Iraq. Uh
[7:29] it is very clearly an ultimatum to
[7:31] Saddam Hussein warning that military
[7:33] action is imminent. That is what the
[7:34] president is going to say tonight. And
[7:36] we just heard [ __ ] Powell, the secretary
[7:38] of state, explaining that the diplomatic
[7:41] window they have concluded is now
[7:43] closed.
[7:44] It is clear that there are some
[7:46] permanent members of the council that
[7:48] would veto any such resolution or any
[7:50] resolution resembling the one that the
[7:53] British tabled Friday before last at the
[7:55] United Nations. As a result of this, uh
[7:58] the United Kingdom, the United States,
[8:00] and Spain decided to not call for a vote
[8:04] on this resolution. Um we spent a great
[8:08] deal of time overnight uh and early this
[8:11] morning talking to friends and
[8:13] colleagues around the world about uh the
[8:16] resolution and it was our judgment
[8:19] reached by the United States, the United
[8:21] Kingdom and Spain that no further
[8:23] purpose would be served by pushing this
[8:25] resolution. So we are not going to ask
[8:27] for a vote on the resolution.
[8:31] >> You heard Coen Pal saying he made some
[8:33] calls this morning. He said 12 to 15
[8:35] calls. The president also made some
[8:37] calls to some of his key allies, those
[8:39] he met with yesterday, Tony Blair and
[8:41] Joseé Maria Aznar spoke with them this
[8:43] morning and we are told that at the
[8:44] meeting you see there Coen Powell
[8:46] arriving here at the White House this
[8:47] morning for the regular national
[8:49] security meeting. We are told that at at
[8:51] that meeting he informed the president
[8:52] uh of about the fact that he didn't
[8:54] think that it was going to going to work
[8:56] at the UN that uh that the the time as
[8:58] he said for diplomatic process at the UN
[9:01] it was closed. That was what they
[9:02] discussed in that meeting this morning.
[9:04] And I should also note, Carol, that we
[9:05] will have some other meetings here at
[9:07] the White House. The president will be
[9:08] meeting with the top congressional
[9:10] leaders uh later on this afternoon. Uh
[9:12] bipartisan meeting of for of uh the
[9:15] speaker of the house, Danny Hastard, and
[9:17] uh the Senate minority leader, Tom
[9:18] Dashel, and others. He will have some
[9:20] other meetings with members of Congress
[9:21] as well. all to prepare them for the
[9:24] speech he will give to the nation at
[9:26] 8:00 Eastern tonight where he will give
[9:28] that final ultimatum to Saddam Hussein
[9:30] to leave the country and give the signal
[9:32] to people in Iraq, US citizens and other
[9:36] in Iraq that it is time to leave. Carol
[9:39] Dana Bash reporting live from the White
[9:40] House. Of course, the president also
[9:42] early this morning or the US government
[9:44] um suggested that the arms inspectors
[9:46] leave um Iraq. Kofian ordered them to do
[9:49] that a little bit later this afternoon.
[9:52] Um, CNN's live coverage of the
[9:54] president's speech will begin at 7
[9:55] Eastern time. And as Dana told you, the
[9:57] president will be speaking to the nation
[9:59] to you at 8:00 Eastern time. Leon.
[10:02] >> All right. Diplomacy now apparently dead
[10:04] at the UN. We just heard Secretary of
[10:06] State Coen Powell saying that this was a
[10:08] test that the Security Council did not
[10:10] meet. You also heard that the UN plans
[10:12] to pull its weapons inspectors out of
[10:13] Iraq. That should happen almost any
[10:15] moment now. Lots going on there. Let's
[10:17] go right now to our UN correspondent,
[10:19] Richard Roth, who joins us with more on
[10:20] all of this. Hello, Richard.
[10:22] >> Hello, Leon. Well, it looks like that
[10:23] card game is not going to happen here. A
[10:25] week and a half ago, President Bush said
[10:27] it was going to be time for countries to
[10:29] show their card, see where they stand.
[10:30] Let's have a whip count. It's just not
[10:32] going to happen. It was the British who
[10:34] really needed this resolution. But when
[10:36] you hear Secretary Powell say the time
[10:38] for diplomacy has passed and he led a
[10:40] tireless effort in the Bush
[10:42] administration to bring the president
[10:44] back to the UN first several months ago
[10:46] for a resolution back again for another
[10:48] attempt at the last mile as Secretary
[10:50] Powell said. You know it's pretty much
[10:52] over. It was the British ambassador
[10:54] though who announced that the US, UK and
[10:57] Spain were withdrawing the resolution.
[11:01] Having held further discussions with
[11:03] council members over the weekend and in
[11:05] the last few hours, we have had to
[11:08] conclude
[11:10] that council consensus will not be
[11:12] possible in line with resolution 1441.
[11:18] One country in particular has underlined
[11:21] its intention to veto any ultimatum,
[11:25] quote, no matter what the circumstances,
[11:28] unquote.
[11:30] That country rejected our proposed
[11:32] compromise before even the Iraqi
[11:35] government itself
[11:37] and has put forward suggestions that
[11:39] would row back on the unanimous
[11:41] agreement of the council in resolution
[11:45] 1441
[11:47] and those suggestions would amount to no
[11:50] ultimatum, no pressure and no
[11:53] disarmament.
[11:55] Given the situation, the co-sponsors
[11:58] have agreed that we will not pursue a
[12:02] vote on the draft UK US Spanish
[12:06] resolution in blue. In blue, referring
[12:09] to diplomatic jargon here when a
[12:10] resolution is ready to be voted on
[12:12] within 24 hours. France's ambassador
[12:14] immediately responded to the Greenstock
[12:16] uh statement there saying that the
[12:18] reason the resolution was withdrawn is
[12:20] that 11 other members of the security
[12:22] council were not in favor of a
[12:23] resolution that would authorize force.
[12:26] There is still a dialogue going on
[12:28] inside the security council. Important
[12:29] notes that we're getting from a diplomat
[12:31] inside the France French ambassador
[12:33] again repeating he was unhappy about the
[12:35] public statement singling out France as
[12:37] the British ambassador just did. The
[12:38] German ambassador said it's no time to
[12:41] suspend inspectors, though it appears
[12:42] likely that Kofanan, who has not spoken
[12:44] yet in the council, will ask the
[12:46] security council a final blessing on
[12:48] withdrawing the weapons inspectors. The
[12:50] US ambassador inside Lyon saying the US
[12:52] had warned the inspectors to be prepared
[12:54] to move out of Iraq. And another
[12:57] ambassador from the Arab League said
[12:58] about the US withdrawal of the
[13:00] resolution and impending military
[13:02] action, quote, "It's a very grave day.
[13:04] This is the day that international law
[13:06] has been shoveled away. War will not
[13:08] solve this problem. Unfortunately, those
[13:10] who are going to war will find it very
[13:12] difficult to get out of it. Leon
[13:14] >> Richard Roth on a very important day at
[13:17] the UN. Thank you very much, Richard.
[13:18] Carol, over to you.
[13:20] >> Let's talk some more about this issue.
[13:21] We went ahead live to Iraq now and Nick
[13:23] Robertson who's in Baghdad. Uh Nick,
[13:26] you're probably not hearing what's
[13:27] happening this morning, but President
[13:29] Bush is set to go on television 8:00
[13:31] p.m. Eastern time and ask Saddam to
[13:33] leave his country. any possibility that
[13:36] he will do that?
[13:39] >> Absolutely no indications of that so
[13:41] far. What we've heard from the Iraqi
[13:43] leader over the past weeks and from some
[13:45] of the top officials as well, President
[13:47] Saddam Hussein set to stay here. That's
[13:49] the uh image that's been portrayed on
[13:52] television here. Many, many meetings
[13:53] meeting just last night with military
[13:55] commanders threatening to take the war
[13:57] if it comes to Iraq, take it all over
[13:59] the world. What we've seen President
[14:00] Saddam Hussein do this afternoon on
[14:03] Iraqi television is meet with Tunisia's
[14:05] foreign minister. He told the foreign
[14:07] minister Habib bin Yaha that Iraq had
[14:10] not given into United States threats or
[14:13] pressure to cooperate with UN weapons
[14:15] inspectors. The Iraqi leader saying that
[14:16] he'd done it because Iraq was serious.
[14:19] also saying that if the United States
[14:22] wants to be the leader of the uh free
[14:24] world and not the most hated state in
[14:27] the world as president Saddam Hussein
[14:29] put it then the United States should end
[14:31] its uh end its programs of weapon
[14:34] manufacturing weapons of mass
[14:35] destruction destroy its stocks then he
[14:38] said if the United States took those
[14:40] measures what would stop other countries
[14:42] then getting rid of their weapons we
[14:44] haven't heard this from the Iraqi leader
[14:46] before we also heard him tell the Iraqi
[14:48] people, explain to them at least why
[14:50] Iraq did have weapons of mass
[14:52] destruction in the first place. He said
[14:53] it was for defensive means. He talked
[14:55] about their 8-year war with Iran, the
[14:57] need to have weapons of mass
[14:59] destruction, chemical, biological
[15:01] weapons then to fight their neighbor at
[15:03] that time, that being back in 1980 to
[15:06] 1988. Of course, the Iraqi leader saying
[15:09] now the Iraq has no weapons of mass
[15:11] destruction. the view.
[15:15] >> Carol,
[15:16] >> Nick Robertson, I was just going to ask
[15:18] you about uh Saddam Hussein telling his
[15:20] people that Iraq at one time had weapons
[15:22] of mass destruction and the significance
[15:24] of that. Do we still have Nick?
[15:26] >> Nick, can you address that?
[15:30] >> Carol, it's very difficult for me to
[15:32] hear you at the moment. I think we're
[15:33] having trouble with the line if you can
[15:35] ask me the question again.
[15:36] >> Okay, one more time. Saddam Hussein
[15:38] telling his people that Iraq at one time
[15:40] had weapons of mass destruction. That's
[15:42] unusual. What's the significance of
[15:44] that?
[15:45] >> Well, at this time, the Iraqi leader
[15:47] really needs to keep support of the
[15:49] Iraqi population. Uh this type of
[15:51] explanation is not something the
[15:53] president talks about much on
[15:55] television. Of course, everyone here
[15:57] knows that the country has had weapons
[15:59] of mass destruction, chemical weapons in
[16:01] the past. The president laying out a
[16:03] reason why they had them. They needed
[16:05] them for defensive measures. These are
[16:06] the sort of explanations at this time.
[16:08] Perhaps they will weigh on people's
[16:10] minds at this time as the country heads
[16:12] into war. Of course, we've heard the
[16:13] Iraqi leadership say time and again and
[16:15] in their referendum last year they the
[16:17] president has 100% support of the
[16:19] people. Of course, that when we talk
[16:21] privately to people, not the case. What
[16:23] they're trying to do, it seems to be, is
[16:25] to remind their people of why they had
[16:27] these weapons and to try and at least
[16:29] keep some support at this very critical
[16:31] time. Carol
[16:32] >> Nick Robertson reporting live from
[16:34] Baghdad and we hope he stays safe there
[16:36] too. Stay with CNN for up totheminute
[16:38] developments on Iraq. Of course, we will
[16:40] bring you live coverage of President
[16:41] Bush's address to the nation. That's
[16:43] tonight at 8 Eastern, 5 Pacific time.
[16:46] And you can track the latest
[16:47] developments online at cnn.com/raq.
[16:50] Our in-depth special gives you the
[16:51] headlines and background on events
[16:53] leading up to this current showdown. I
[16:55] am very curious about the reaction in
[16:57] the UK because as we just heard from
[16:59] Secretary of State Col, this resolution
[17:01] was offered to give cover to Tony Blair
[17:03] >> and Tony Blair is supposedly now meeting
[17:05] with his cabinet members.
[17:06] >> Exactly. And we'll get some we'll get
[17:08] some uh some information from what's
[17:09] happening hopefully inside that meeting
[17:11] that might get rather tense because we
[17:12] hear there may be cabinet members
[17:14] talking about ditching Tony Blair. Now
[17:16] stay with us. We're going to whip around
[17:17] the world for some more reaction to
[17:18] these latest developments in the
[17:19] showdown with Iraq and we'll also go to
[17:21] Ruashid, Jordan. That's where refugees
[17:24] are crossing the border coming in from
[17:26] Iraq.
[17:26] >> And the father of accused kidnapper of
[17:29] Elizabeth Smart speaks out. He says
[17:31] don't judge his son too harshly. An
[17:33] exclusive interview just ahead.
[17:35] >> Plus, health officials are now in a race
[17:36] against time as hundreds of people have
[17:38] been hit by a mysterious and deadly
[17:41] respiratory illness. All that and much
[17:43] more coming up on CNN Live today.
[17:45] >> Oh, and the Dow, Leon, check it out. It
[17:48] is way up up 187 points on the latest
[17:51] developments happening this morning.
[17:53] Investors are reacting. The
[17:55] >> NASDAQ is up as well. It is up 37 points
[17:58] at this particular point. S&P is also
[18:00] up. All the markets now up with green
[18:02] arrows.
[18:02] >> Well, maybe the investors are saying
[18:03] finally something has happened.
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[21:03] >> CNN, the most trusted name in news.
[21:08] >> 11:23 Eastern time. Welcome back. So
[21:11] much is happening this morning. More
[21:12] breaking news to tell you about this
[21:14] time out of Britain. We've been telling
[21:16] you that second UN resolution has been
[21:18] pulled from the table at the United
[21:20] Nations. In fact, diplomacy seems to be
[21:22] dead right now. That resolution
[21:24] supposedly was to help Tony Blair's
[21:26] political career. Well, right now he is
[21:28] meeting with his cabinet in Britain.
[21:30] We're going to go to Robin Oakley
[21:31] shortly when we get him, but we
[21:32] understand that Robin Cook has resigned
[21:36] his post as the government's leader in
[21:38] the House of Commons. Now, Blair's
[21:40] office says the resignation came after a
[21:42] private meeting between Cook and the
[21:44] Prime Minister and shortly before that
[21:46] meeting that I told you about of the
[21:47] full cabinet. Now, Mr. Cook had
[21:50] threatened before to resign if um the
[21:53] United States and Britain insisted on
[21:55] going to war with Iraq. Of course, we
[21:57] don't know that there's going to be a
[21:58] war right now, but it sure looks that
[22:00] way. Again, Robin Cook, the British
[22:02] government's leader in the parliament,
[22:04] and he was a highly respected former
[22:05] foreign secretary. He has resigned.
[22:09] Don't know what this means to Tony Blair
[22:11] or his political stature in in Great
[22:13] Britain. Robin Oakley will join us
[22:15] shortly to tell us more about that.
[22:17] >> Yeah, very interesting. And while you
[22:18] were reporting Oh,
[22:20] >> we have Robin Oakley.
[22:21] >> We have Robin Oakley. Robin Oakley, are
[22:22] you there? Tell us more about this.
[22:24] >> Yes, I can hear you.
[22:26] >> Tell us what happened.
[22:30] >> Hello.
[22:32] >> Hello, Robin.
[22:33] >> Robin, can you hear me?
[22:35] >> Yes.
[22:36] >> Okay, tell us what happened.
[22:39] Carol, we have just heard that Robin
[22:40] Cook, the former foreign secretary and
[22:43] leader of the House of Commons, has left
[22:45] Tony Blair's cabinet because he is not
[22:47] prepared to support military action
[22:48] against Saddam Hussein without the
[22:50] sanction of a second UN Security Council
[22:53] resolution. Uh we're still waiting to
[22:55] hear if he's going to be joined in
[22:57] resigning from the cabinet by Cla Short,
[22:59] the International Development Secretary,
[23:01] who had threatened last week that she
[23:03] would go if there weren't backing from
[23:05] the UN Security Council. and she
[23:07] described Tony Blair's policy then as a
[23:10] reckless policy. Uh Robin Cook of course
[23:12] has had his differences with uh Tony
[23:15] Blair on a number of subjects and this
[23:17] will be a big blow though to the British
[23:19] prime minister at the start of a battle
[23:21] for public opinion because public
[23:23] opinion is divided 7030 against the idea
[23:26] of military action in Iraq without the
[23:29] backing of the UN. Tony Blair also faces
[23:32] a potential rebellion from his own Labor
[23:35] Party MPs. 122 of them rebelled last
[23:38] time. The issue was put before the
[23:40] British House of Commons. And it's
[23:41] expected that the rebellion will be even
[23:44] bigger when they are asked to bless the
[23:46] sending of troops uh to uh fight against
[23:49] Saddam Hussein for a cause which many of
[23:52] them see as one dictated by George Bush.
[23:55] Carol,
[23:56] >> we understand Jack Straw is going to
[23:59] address the people of Great Britain. Is
[24:00] that right, Robin? Do you know about
[24:02] that?
[24:04] We're expecting it has been a
[24:07] possibility that Jack Straw would be
[24:09] talking to the House of Commons at 7:00.
[24:11] Uh we'll have to wait and see what Tony
[24:13] Blair has to say now that it is quite
[24:15] clear that the diplomatic route has been
[24:17] abandoned uh and that military action is
[24:20] going to follow. It would be surprising
[24:22] if we did not hear from Tony Blair in
[24:24] some shape or form uh over the next few
[24:27] hours. But for the moment, the emergency
[24:29] cabinet meeting is going on. And the
[24:31] ministers at that cabinet meeting have
[24:33] been told by the British Attorney
[24:35] General, Lord Goldsmith, that there is
[24:37] legal authority for military action,
[24:40] which he bases on two early uh UN
[24:43] Security Council resolutions 678 and
[24:45] 687, which talk of the use of all
[24:48] necessary means to disarm Saddam
[24:50] Hussein. And of course, resolution 1441
[24:53] from last November, which threatened
[24:55] serious consequences for him if he
[24:57] didn't take this final opportunity to
[24:59] disarm.
[24:59] >> So, Robin, those 25,000 British troops
[25:01] in the Gulf, they'll be put into force
[25:04] by Tony Blair. The United States won't
[25:06] have to worry about that.
[25:09] >> No, the the I don't think there is any
[25:11] question of Tony Blair failing to
[25:13] support uh George Bush in terms of
[25:16] committing the British troops to
[25:17] military action. He's made it clear all
[25:19] along that he regards this as essential
[25:21] for the maintenance of the authority of
[25:23] the United Nations. He says it's got to
[25:25] live up to its threats against dictators
[25:28] like Saddam Hussein. And he's made it
[25:30] clear all along that he is willing to
[25:32] support George Bush. He wanted for
[25:33] preference to have a second UN Security
[25:35] Council resolution to give him political
[25:38] cover for doing so, but he's also made
[25:40] it clear he will live without that
[25:42] resolution if it comes to it. And that
[25:44] is what it has come to. Carol,
[25:46] >> Robin Oakley reporting live from London
[25:48] this morning. Thanks for that, Leon.
[25:50] >> Prime Minister Blair better had better
[25:52] be prepared for quite a few body blows
[25:54] to come in the days and weeks ahead. As
[25:56] you know, we've been watching the polls
[25:57] and the British public. He's only been
[25:59] supporting this uh this whole venture of
[26:01] a war only in the low teens percentage
[26:03] wise. So, there's going to be some very
[26:05] tough times ahead for Prime Minister
[26:06] Tony Blair. And we're going to keep our
[26:07] eyes on that situation there as well as
[26:09] around the world. A diplomatic solution
[26:12] for the showdown with Iraq pretty much
[26:14] off the table now. President Bush is
[26:16] going to be coming out and issuing an
[26:17] ultimatum tonight to Saddam Hussein and
[26:19] his cohorts as we heard this morning.
[26:21] But some world leaders are standing firm
[26:23] against military action in Iraq. And we
[26:25] have extensive coverage of the latest
[26:27] reaction coming in from around the globe
[26:28] this morning. CNN's Jim Berman is in
[26:31] Paris. Moscow bureau chief Jill Doerty
[26:33] is in the Russian capital. And Rule Amin
[26:36] is in Ruashid, Jordan. That's where
[26:37] refugees are crossing the border coming
[26:40] in from Iraq. Let's begin first of all
[26:42] with Jim Berman. Jim, hello.
[26:46] Hi Leon. Uh as you say the French
[26:49] position has not changed at all. before
[26:50] breakfast this morning. Uh Dominic
[26:53] Deville Pan, the foreign minister was on
[26:54] French radio saying that basically
[26:56] France still remains opposed to any kind
[26:59] of resolution in the United Nations that
[27:01] automatically implies the use of
[27:03] military force which was the case that
[27:05] with the resolution that was before uh
[27:07] the security council just recently
[27:09] withdrawn by uh by the United States in
[27:12] Great Britain. And uh the French
[27:15] ambassador to the United Nations says he
[27:16] believes that in fact the resolution was
[27:19] withdrawn because the United States and
[27:20] Great Britain realized that they did not
[27:22] have any kind of anything near majority
[27:24] support on the security council to get
[27:26] the resolution passed. The French have
[27:28] said this all along. They said it's not
[27:30] because of the veto that they have
[27:31] threatened, but rather the fact that the
[27:33] US and Great Britain came to recognize
[27:35] they could not get nine votes necessary
[27:37] to pass the resolution. And basically
[27:39] the French have stood on this position
[27:41] because of the fact that they believe
[27:43] the inspections are working. The
[27:45] inspectors that are being withdrawn
[27:46] today are not being withdrawn because
[27:48] their mission has come to some kind of a
[27:50] roadblock or come to some kind of an
[27:51] end. It's they're being withdrawn
[27:53] because they're under the threat of
[27:54] military force. So basically they
[27:56] believe the inspections can be uh made
[27:58] to work to disarm Iraq peacefully. A
[28:01] similar kind of view that one hears in
[28:03] Moscow I take it. And here's Jill Dhy to
[28:05] explain further.
[28:08] Mhm. Well, taking that um that
[28:10] resolution off the table really is
[28:12] something that Russia absolutely wanted.
[28:14] In fact, this morning you had a deputy
[28:16] foreign minister saying there is no way
[28:18] that that resolution is going to pass.
[28:20] After all, the Russians uh did not want
[28:23] it. They did not want to have it pass.
[28:25] But on the other hand, they didn't want
[28:27] to use their veto and damage the
[28:29] relationship with the United States. So
[28:31] now it's not an issue. You also had some
[28:34] comments from President Vladimir Putin
[28:36] who has maintained a studious silence
[28:38] over the past few weeks. He said that
[28:41] war in Iraq would be mistake and that it
[28:44] would be fraught with the gravest
[28:45] consequences which would result in
[28:47] casualties and also damage the
[28:50] international situation. This has uh
[28:52] created some problems of course between
[28:54] the United States and Russia. But today
[28:57] we had some fence mending. The uh Gorgi
[29:02] Mameed Sang.
[29:06] I guess we had some technical problems
[29:07] here.
[29:13] I'm standing at the town of Rwatia. This
[29:15] is the last Jordanian town before
[29:18] travelers get to the Iraqi border.
[29:20] Baghdad is just about 5 hours drive away
[29:23] from here. And throughout today we have
[29:25] seen diplomatic cars and other cars
[29:27] bringing diplomats and journalists who
[29:29] seem to think that Baghdad is not safe
[29:31] anymore with war looming so close. And
[29:34] 10 minutes just 10 minutes drive up this
[29:37] road there are where the Jordanian
[29:39] government and UN agencies are preparing
[29:41] to receive refugees. Refugees that will
[29:44] be fleeing Iraq in case there is a war.
[29:47] The UN estimates about 600,000 people
[29:49] will try to get out of Iraq into Iraq's
[29:52] neighboring countries like Jordan, like
[29:54] Turkey, like Iran. And they're trying to
[29:56] prepare the ground. The pace of work has
[29:58] really picked up since last week with
[30:00] bulldozers digging the ground, preparing
[30:02] the ground to set up this camp. For the
[30:05] town of Roat and for the rest of
[30:06] Jordanians, the fact that the diplomatic
[30:08] solution has closed down is just bad
[30:11] news. People here are very angry, very
[30:14] frustrated and they don't see that this
[30:15] war is justified and they don't see that
[30:18] it's legitimate. The humanitarian crisis
[30:20] that may result from this war is a major
[30:23] concern for people here where they feel
[30:25] that the Iraqi people may end up paying
[30:27] the highest price. Leon,
[30:29] >> well, the question that jumps to mind
[30:30] first is these people who are coming
[30:32] across the border, are they are they
[30:33] blaming their plight right now on Saddam
[30:36] Hussein or are they blaming it on the
[30:37] US?
[30:40] Well, there are no people crossing the
[30:42] border right now. However, um the people
[30:46] we have been talking to, even Iraqis who
[30:48] have left Iraq in the last few years and
[30:50] who usually blame Saddam Hussein for
[30:52] their misery, are very anxious and
[30:54] apprehensive about the US war, they keep
[30:57] on telling us that they cannot accept,
[30:59] no matter how much they dislike Saddam
[31:01] Hussein and they dislike his regime,
[31:03] they cannot accept the fact that the
[31:05] Americans would go to Iraq and occupy
[31:07] it. that they tell us this is
[31:08] unacceptable and they don't they will
[31:10] not accept it. Jordanians for example
[31:12] say that the Americans are going to war
[31:14] not to disarm Saddam Hussein. Many of us
[31:17] of them tell us that they are suspicious
[31:19] that the Americans are going to war in
[31:20] order to control the Iraqi oil to
[31:23] control the region. And that's why
[31:24] there's a very uh strong opposition to
[31:27] any military strike against Iraq. Even
[31:30] those people here who really wish to see
[31:31] the Saddam Hussein disappear tomorrow
[31:33] are very apprehensive about the fallouts
[31:36] of this war. For example, the Jordanian
[31:37] government here has made it very clear
[31:39] that there will be some economic huge
[31:42] economic losses for Jordanians in case
[31:44] there is a war because Iraq is a main
[31:47] trading partner for Jordan and they will
[31:49] lose a lot if there is a war. Leon.
[31:52] >> All right. Thank you very much, Ru. Rul,
[31:54] before we let you go, let me ask you one
[31:55] last question. The question is whether
[31:58] or not people there that you've been
[31:59] talking to actually believe that
[32:01] whatever happens that when this is all
[32:02] over and it's said and done that there
[32:04] will be a better chance for true
[32:05] democracy in that region.
[32:08] >> Well Leon actually this argument doesn't
[32:11] sell here. For example they say if the
[32:13] US really wants democracy in Iraq why is
[32:15] it only Iraq? How come the US is not
[32:17] pressuring other allies in the region
[32:20] different Arab countries who are not
[32:22] democratic? The other thing is that
[32:24] people are concerned for Iraq stability
[32:27] and for the integrity of Iraq as a
[32:29] country. Even the governments, the Arab
[32:31] governments who are very uh much
[32:33] anti-Saddam Hussein, they are concerned
[32:36] that instability in Iraq would lead to
[32:38] instability in their own countries.
[32:40] Leon.
[32:41] >> All right. And speaking of instability,
[32:43] you may have some there. So, we want you
[32:44] to be careful. Rula Amin reporting live
[32:46] for us from Roashid there on the border
[32:48] of Jordan and Iran. Take care. Be
[32:50] careful. It sounded pretty dicey there
[32:52] for a time, but she's okay. She's okay.
[32:54] Check the stories making headlines in
[32:56] our CNN news alert just ahead.
[32:57] >> Plus, how soon could a war begin? And
[33:00] what battle plans might the troops
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[35:43] >> 37 minutes past the hour on Monday, the
[35:45] 17th day of March. Here are the
[35:47] headlines for you. Palestinian sources
[35:48] say Israeli raids in Gaza today left at
[35:51] least nine people dead. Israel says a
[35:53] senior Islamic Shihad activist is among
[35:55] the dead. Israel has now shut down the
[35:57] West Bank and Gaza fearing terror
[35:59] attacks on the Jewish holiday of PUM.
[36:02] The murder trial of James Cop is getting
[36:04] underway today in Buffalo. Cop admits he
[36:06] shot Barnett Slepian, a doctor who
[36:08] performed abortions. Cop waved his right
[36:11] to a jury trial. The judge is expected
[36:13] to conclude the proceedings today. And
[36:16] prices remain at near record highs at
[36:18] gas pumps across the country. Motorists
[36:21] are paying an average of a $1.71 a
[36:23] gallon as prices soar in the run-up to a
[36:25] possible war in Iraq.
[36:27] >> And speaking of that, now let's here's
[36:29] uh the latest rundown on what's
[36:30] happening in this showdown with Iraq
[36:32] this hour. Here now the latest. The US,
[36:34] Britain, and Spain have withdrawn their
[36:36] UN resolution on Iraq. All saying that
[36:39] there were not enough votes to win
[36:40] approval in the UN. Now, with military
[36:43] action all but certain, we are told that
[36:44] UN Secretary General Kofi Anan will heed
[36:47] a US call to withdraw inspectors from
[36:49] Iraq. We're expecting to hear as well
[36:52] from President Bush tonight. He'll
[36:53] address the nation and the world at 8:00
[36:56] p.m. Eastern. CNN coverage of that will
[36:58] begin at 7 Eastern. Mr. Bush is expected
[37:01] to come out and deliver an ultimatum to
[37:02] Saddam Hussein. Leave Iraq or face war.
[37:07] >> All right, let's head live to the State
[37:08] Department now and check in with Andrea
[37:10] Cppel. Andrea, I'm sure you were
[37:11] monitoring that press conference by Coen
[37:13] Powell. It intrigued me that he was very
[37:15] careful to say that any action the
[37:17] United States might take would be
[37:19] supported by international law. Why did
[37:22] he say that? Well, Carol, he said that
[37:25] because the United States, Great
[37:26] Britain, and Spain are not going to take
[37:28] military action against Iraq with the
[37:31] backing of the United Nations by pulling
[37:33] this resolution. uh they are not going
[37:35] to have the support of the security
[37:39] council although what they're saying is
[37:41] that the previous 12 years worth of
[37:43] resolutions including 1441
[37:46] gives them the legal basis because
[37:48] Saddam Hussein had not complied with
[37:50] those resolutions was therefore in
[37:52] violation and that gives them uh the
[37:54] right to go forward certainly under
[37:56] legal guidelines but having said that
[37:58] Carol a couple of things I'd want to
[38:00] point out Secretary Pal as you might
[38:02] expect put it quite diplomatically when
[38:04] he said that the time for diplomacy has
[38:07] passed. But put more bluntly, you could
[38:09] also say that the last six months of US
[38:13] diplomacy has failed to disarm Iraq
[38:16] peacefully. Instead, Secretary Pal said
[38:18] when we hear from the president later
[38:21] tonight, the president will tell the
[38:23] world and tell Saddam Hussein the only
[38:25] way left to avoid war.
[38:29] In his speech, he clearly will issue an
[38:31] ultimatum to Sodom Hussein that the only
[38:34] way to avoid the serious consequences
[38:37] that were built into 1441 is for Sodom
[38:41] Hussein and his immediate cohort uh to
[38:43] leave the country and to allow uh this
[38:46] matter to be resolved through the
[38:49] peaceful entry of force and not a
[38:50] conflict.
[38:52] Secretary Pal spent the better part of
[38:54] last night and this morning, Carol,
[38:56] talking with foreign ministers around
[38:58] the world. He said that his British and
[39:00] Spanish counterpart did the same thing.
[39:02] And it was only after they had the last
[39:04] evening and morning's worth of phone
[39:06] calls that they came to to the decision
[39:08] that they were never going to get this
[39:10] second resolution through the UN because
[39:12] of strong opposition and threats from
[39:14] France uh to veto. Carol,
[39:16] >> you know, Colon Powell was asked by a
[39:18] reporter if he had regretted anything
[39:21] he'd done in the past couple of months.
[39:23] I mean, should he have visited countries
[39:24] more? Should he have boarded a plane and
[39:26] actually flew to that country to sit
[39:28] down and talk? And Mr. Pal seem quite
[39:30] irritated by that question. It it
[39:32] certainly is a sore subject. He has come
[39:34] under a certain degree of criticism by
[39:37] for that matter by former secretaries of
[39:39] state George Schultz just over the
[39:41] weekend. Uh seemed to level a certain
[39:43] degree of criticism at Secretary Pal
[39:46] saying that perhaps if he had actually
[39:48] gone overseas, spent time in
[39:50] face-to-face meetings as he had done
[39:53] that is former Secretary of State George
[39:55] Schultz before the first Persian Gulf
[39:57] War that perhaps diplomacy might not
[39:59] have failed. But Secretary Pal pointed
[40:01] out that he had met with many of his
[40:03] colleagues as many as four or five times
[40:06] up at the United Nations over in Europe
[40:09] uh and as well when he went to Asia
[40:12] earlier last month. And so Secretary
[40:15] Pal, as you might imagine, quite
[40:17] defensive, but he also said, Carol, that
[40:19] thanks to the technology of the 21st
[40:21] century, he's been able to keep in quite
[40:23] quite close contact. And in point of
[40:25] effect, the the job of a secretary of
[40:27] state is also to be in town to advise
[40:30] the president. Carol,
[40:31] >> Andrea Capell reporting live for us from
[40:32] the State Department today. Leon,
[40:34] >> well, Secretary Powell is not overseas
[40:36] right now, but we know who is about
[40:37] 250,000 US and British troops. They are
[40:40] overseas. They are in the Persian Gulf
[40:42] region right now awaiting their orders
[40:44] to strike against Iraq. And it now
[40:46] appears those orders may come very soon.
[40:49] Joining us now with some insight on US
[40:51] war planning and what we can expect to
[40:53] come in the coming days is CNN military
[40:55] analyst and retired Army Brigadier
[40:56] General David Graange who was in Chicago
[40:58] as always. Good to see you again,
[41:00] General.
[41:00] >> Good to see you.
[41:01] >> Now, as we all if we as we've heard this
[41:03] morning now, we have seen this
[41:04] diplomatic option being taken off the
[41:05] table. But we hear President Bush is
[41:06] going to come out tonight and say Saddam
[41:08] Hussein has a number of days before he
[41:10] to leave the country or face war. What
[41:13] do you think happens now for the
[41:14] military in the next couple of days?
[41:17] Well, the military is going to continue
[41:18] to reposition forces already in a region
[41:22] and they'll also position new forces
[41:24] that have yet to arrive. Uh the troops
[41:27] on the ground or aboard ship will
[41:29] continue to uh refine the tactics and
[41:32] techniques they use, for instance, in
[41:34] fighting in trench lines, bunkers, uh
[41:37] clearing buildings if they have to fight
[41:38] in builtup areas, and and procedures on
[41:41] defense against chemical or biological
[41:43] warfare. Uh those things will be
[41:45] fine-tuned test firing weapons and
[41:47] constant constant maintenance in this
[41:49] desert environment.
[41:50] >> Let's talk about a couple of these
[41:51] specific groups. Talk starting now with
[41:53] the carrier groups that are in that are
[41:55] going to be moving into the Red Sea
[41:56] right now. The USS Harry Truman and the
[41:59] Theodore Roosevelt.
[42:01] Yeah, those uh carrier battle groups
[42:03] will move into those positions in order
[42:05] to fire uh let's say um tomahawk
[42:08] missiles where they could the flight of
[42:10] the missile will go over Saudi Arabia,
[42:12] let's say instead of Syria, which would
[42:14] be the case if it was in the
[42:15] Mediterranean, as well as launching air
[42:17] strikes, attack aircraft from these
[42:18] carrier battle groups uh into targets in
[42:21] Western Iraq or actually anywhere in
[42:22] Iraq uh from the Red Sea. So, that's
[42:25] just one of the approaches.
[42:26] >> All right, how about on the ground? Who
[42:28] goes in first on the ground? Well, it's
[42:30] it's uh it's hard to say and and I'm
[42:33] sure that the plan will be uh tweaked uh
[42:36] now and then as intelligence is is
[42:38] developed, but you know, you have uh
[42:40] some key units already on the ground.
[42:42] You have the third infantry division
[42:43] called the Rock of the M and 101st
[42:46] Airborne Division. So, you have a ground
[42:48] and a aerial envelopment type force and
[42:51] that's probably on the uh the western
[42:53] side of Kuwait. And then on the eastern
[42:55] side, you have the ability to put in
[42:57] Marines if you'd like to. uh with the
[43:00] British counterparts and that gives you
[43:02] also a heavy and a light force mix. So
[43:04] they got two very flexible forces
[43:06] arrayed that uh either one can go in uh
[43:10] simultaneously or one right after
[43:11] another, but those are your leading
[43:12] forces.
[43:13] >> And it looks like those forces the most
[43:14] resistance they're going to they're
[43:16] going to encounter is going to be around
[43:17] Baghdad. We've seen in the last few days
[43:19] or so Saddam Hussein has been
[43:20] consolidating all of his defenses or
[43:22] most of his defenses around Baghdad
[43:24] right now. Why do you think he's pulling
[43:26] everything down from the north and up
[43:28] from the south?
[43:29] >> Yeah, there'll be some resistance
[43:30] probably in river crossing sites and
[43:32] some of the other uh villages in route
[43:34] to the Baghdad area. But he, you know,
[43:36] he'll want for survivability, he's
[43:38] pulled forces like air defense as an
[43:40] example from the north and the northern
[43:42] and southern no-fly zones in order to
[43:45] protect them from coalition aircraft.
[43:47] And so that's a survivability move. And
[43:49] then the other is that he has to get
[43:50] into a defensive posture because he
[43:52] really cannot maneuver. If he maneuvers
[43:54] forces in the open, they'll be destroyed
[43:56] immediately. So, he has to hunker down
[43:58] and dig in around Baghdad.
[44:00] >> You know, and we've been talking so much
[44:01] in the past few weeks about how Saddam
[44:02] Hussein has been playing world public
[44:04] opinion against the US in the coalition
[44:06] here. Is there any way at all to prevent
[44:09] him from from placing people civilians
[44:12] in harm's way in a fashion in which it
[44:14] will it will off have to reflect
[44:16] negatively on the US. Is it is it at all
[44:18] possible that he may end up shooting or
[44:20] something or harming his own people
[44:22] purposely for that sort of purpose?
[44:24] >> Well, Saddam, for instance, could
[44:27] contaminate uh a village, let's say in
[44:29] the the southern area, uh a Shiite
[44:32] village just to contaminate an avenue of
[44:34] approach that the coalition forces may
[44:35] have to use to get to Baghdad just to
[44:38] slow it down. Uh he could cause he uses
[44:41] people for human shields. I mean, I'm
[44:43] sure he'll use that tactic around
[44:44] Baghdad and then try to exploit that
[44:46] with disinformation.
[44:47] >> Well, let me ask you if you just one
[44:48] last question here about the word that
[44:50] we got from our Barbara Star at the
[44:51] Pentagon this morning that the Pentagon
[44:53] may have heard some chatter about the
[44:55] possible use of some sort of chemical
[44:57] weapon by Saddam Hussein. This is
[44:59] already being mentioned now in chatter
[45:01] that's being overheard by intelligence
[45:03] uh agencies. Do you think that's a
[45:05] possibility here? And would you be
[45:07] prepared here now for perhaps a
[45:09] preemptive strike by Saddam Hussein with
[45:11] a weapon like that?
[45:13] >> I'm sure that the uh coalition forces
[45:16] are are planning for that possibility
[45:18] because you know this could you know
[45:20] we're talking about when the president
[45:21] talks so many days before an attack but
[45:24] you know Saddam can start this war
[45:26] himself and so yes I think the coalition
[45:28] forces have considered that and are
[45:30] taking precautionary measures.
[45:32] >> General David Grange, thank you very
[45:33] much as always. Appreciate it. Take
[45:34] care. My
[45:35] >> pleasure. Carol.
[45:36] >> And with all this talk of imminent war,
[45:38] a protest for peace in President Bush's
[45:40] backyard, the voices of America speak
[45:42] out. And our Maria Inahosa is there
[45:44] live.
[45:46] >> Well, as the possibility of war
[45:47] increases by the minute, now the
[45:49] pressure from anti-war protesters
[45:51] increases as well. This time with civil
[45:53] disobedience at the capital, coming up
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[48:32] 11:50 Eastern time. After a weekend of
[48:34] global protest against President Bush's
[48:36] Iraq war policy, demonstrators now plan
[48:39] a day of civil disobedience in
[48:41] Washington. CNN's Maria Enosa is
[48:43] covering the story today in the nation's
[48:45] capital. What's happening there now?
[48:47] Well, Carol, people are continuing to be
[48:49] arrested right behind me over the steps
[48:51] of the capital. But, you know, I've been
[48:52] to several demonstrations now for the
[48:54] several past weeks, and this one was
[48:56] certainly the most solemn that I've
[48:57] seen. Just a lot of sad looking faces, a
[49:00] lot of faces looking like resignation,
[49:01] knowing that the possibility of war
[49:03] really is imminent now. Now, they
[49:05] started off earlier today at a church uh
[49:07] where they heard some spiritual words
[49:09] from the reverend there. And then they
[49:11] marched through the streets down to the
[49:12] cap. They marched singing songs like We
[49:15] Shall Overcome and uh America the
[49:18] Beautiful. Um and then once they made it
[49:20] here uh they were then very uh
[49:23] peacefully arrested. They were told that
[49:25] if they crossed into a police line that
[49:27] they would then be arrested. They were
[49:29] approaching uh by maybe three or four.
[49:31] Now the people they are being charged
[49:34] with crossing a police line and then
[49:36] they are being asked to pay a $50 fee
[49:38] and or fine rather and then apparently
[49:40] they're being released. Most of them are
[49:42] being uh led away walking. Some have
[49:45] been carried. Now the first people who
[49:47] were arrested were a group from uh
[49:49] September 11th families for peaceful
[49:50] tomorrows. These are all people who have
[49:52] lost relatives on September 11th. Many
[49:55] of them spoke just before they began the
[49:57] march today.
[49:59] >> And this war is just a sense it's wrong.
[50:03] And I mean that's a legacy I would get
[50:05] much from my son that this is it's just
[50:07] too complex to solve it in this fashion.
[50:12] As someone who lost a family member on
[50:14] September 11th, I know what it's like to
[50:16] experience shock and awe. I know what
[50:18] it's like to have someone killed um when
[50:21] something comes out of the sky and and
[50:23] kills them. And that's what we're about
[50:24] to do um to the people in Baghdad.
[50:29] >> All right. Now, we know that there are
[50:30] 54 people who have been arrested, 23
[50:33] women and 31 men. They say that they
[50:36] will continue. They had told us a number
[50:37] of about 60. So they may be just done
[50:39] with the civil disobedience at the
[50:41] capital that hope they hope inspires a
[50:42] week of civil disobedience perhaps even
[50:45] while the war has gone on. Now back to
[50:47] you
[50:47] >> Maria Edina Hosa reporting live from our
[50:49] nation's capital today.
[50:51] >> All right as we remarked earlier the
[50:52] markets they seem to be taking this news
[50:54] that this
[50:55] >> oh crazy
[50:56] >> this resolution's been taken off the
[50:57] table and they they've since taken the
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[51:01] now you're looking at the big board the
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[51:09] Nasdaq is also up by now. It's up 35.
[51:12] And uh the S&P was also up as well a
[51:14] moment ago. So, we got a trifecta on
[51:16] this morning.
[51:16] >> We certainly do. And we'll have much
[51:18] more for you right after this. You stay
[51:19] right there.
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[54:20] We have breaking news again to tell you
[54:22] about this morning. UN weapons
[54:23] inspectors will be pulling out of Iraq
[54:26] on Tuesday. As you know, very early this
[54:29] morning, word came from the US
[54:30] government that uh weapons inspectors
[54:32] were to leave Baghdad. That was the
[54:34] suggestion from the US government. Kofan
[54:37] later agreed and those UN inspectors
[54:39] will be out of Iraq by tomorrow,
[54:41] Tuesday. Let's go live to Baghdad right
[54:43] now and check in with Nick Robertson.
[54:45] Are you hearing about any of this, Nick?
[54:48] Absolutely, Carol. The UN weapons
[54:51] inspection spokesman here, Hiroeki, says
[54:53] although they have not yet had word from
[54:55] the UN weapons chief, Hans Blick's
[54:57] formal word that they should evacuate
[55:00] their staff from Baghdad, he did say
[55:02] that they do expect to begin their
[55:04] pulling out all their staff on Tuesday.
[55:06] Now, he does plan and they do plan to
[55:09] fly their staff out of Iraq. Currently
[55:11] they have one aircraft, a large uh
[55:13] militarystyle transport L130 aircraft on
[55:16] the uh at Saddam International Airport,
[55:18] the main airport here in Iraq. And that
[55:20] is the aircraft they expect these UN
[55:22] weapons inspectors to depart on. Of
[55:24] course, for the Iraqi people, that
[55:26] really will be a very clear sign that
[55:28] the end has come and that war will be
[55:31] very, very imminent. Carol
[55:34] >> Hick Robertson, thanks for the update.
[55:35] Live from Baghdad. Again, those weapons
[55:37] inspectors in Iraq will be pulling out
[55:39] by tomorrow. Well, right now traders are
[55:42] pulling out the stops, believe it or
[55:43] not, in the wake of all this news. Let's
[55:44] go right now to Alan Chernoff in New
[55:46] York to get the very latest on what's
[55:47] happening with the markets. Hello, Alan.
[55:49] >> Hi, Leon. You know, it's somewhat
[55:50] grizzly to think in these terms. But
[55:52] nonetheless, this is the reality of Wall
[55:54] Street. The stock market, as you see,
[55:56] having a big rally, the Dow Jones
[55:57] Industrial Average popping just over 200
[56:00] moments ago. And what's happening here
[56:02] is that a lot of money managers are
[56:04] essentially placing bets on the war.
[56:06] It's been widely anticipated that the
[56:08] stock market would have a nice rally
[56:10] once there were signs that a war, if it
[56:13] were to occur, were successful. Well,
[56:16] what's happening today is that people
[56:18] saying, "We're clearly going to war and
[56:20] we're betting that it's going to be
[56:22] quick. It's going to be a success." And
[56:24] people are putting down their bets right
[56:26] now. As one trader said, there is fear
[56:28] of the market going up rather than the
[56:31] fear of market going down. So, people
[56:33] are jumping in right now. Leon Carol.
[56:35] >> All right. Good deal. Thanks, Alan.
[56:37] We'll let you watch that throughout the
[56:38] day. We'll get back to you. And folks,
[56:39] we appreciate you joining us this
[56:41] morning for all the action that we had
[56:42] right here on CNN Live today.
[56:44] >> That's right. Showdown with the rack
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[58:00] In his speech, he clearly will issue an
[58:03] ultimatum to Sodom Hussein that the only
[58:06] way to avoid the serious consequences
[58:08] that were built into 1441 is for Sodom
[58:12] Hussein and his immediate cohort uh to
[58:15] leave the country and to allow uh this
[58:18] matter to be resolved through the
[58:20] peaceful entry of force and out of
[58:22] conflict.
[58:24] Good afternoon everyone. Events are
[58:26] moving quickly on this day. President
[58:27] Bush has called a moment of truth for
[58:30] the world. I'm Anderson Cooper in today
[58:31] for Wolf Blitzer at the CNN Center in
[58:34] Atlanta. In the last hour, as you just
[58:36] saw, America's top diplomat Colon Powell
[58:38] previewed a speech from the
[58:39] commander-in-chief. Here's what's
[58:41] happening right now. Mr. Bush is
[58:43] preparing for that speech, a nationwide
[58:45] address in which he'll do what the UN
[58:47] Security Council will not, set an
[58:49] ultimatum for Iraq. He won't demand
[58:52] disarmament. He will demand the
[58:53] permanent exile of Saddam Hussein. The
[58:56] speech is scheduled for 8:00 PM Eastern,
[58:58] 5 Pacific, and CNN special coverage
[59:01] starts 1 hour before that. Facing
[59:04] inevitable veto, the US, UK, and Spain
[59:06] today withdrew the UN resolution they
[59:08] claim was technically unnecessary.
[59:10] Anyway, the US and Britain made a point
[59:13] of keeping scorn on France without