CNN WorldView - 1999-06-03
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[0:02] I'm Judy Woodruff along with my
[0:04] colleague Bernard Shaw in Washington.
[0:06] Welcome to World View. Coming up,
[0:08] reports from Cologne, Germany, from the
[0:10] White House. But we begin in Belgrade
[0:13] where the Serbian Parliament has voted
[0:16] to accept an international peace plan
[0:18] for Kosovo. But still no word from
[0:20] Yugoslav President Slobadan Mallovich
[0:23] himself. We have comprehensive coverage
[0:26] starting, as we say, with CNN's Walt
[0:28] Rogers in Belgrade.
[0:31] >> Despite initial skepticism from NATO
[0:33] countries, those who met with Yugoslav
[0:35] President Slovadon Milo were convinced
[0:38] he has now accepted terms for ending the
[0:40] war laid down by the major powers. Goran
[0:43] Mati<unk> a senior Yugoslav government
[0:45] minister, announced, quote, "There is a
[0:48] deal." Still to be heard from is
[0:50] President Maloshovich himself. But
[0:52] Europe's peace envoy Finnish president
[0:54] Maki Atasari. Also present said all
[0:57] relevant parties accepted the offer.
[0:59] >> I would also hope that
[1:04] this decision would lead
[1:07] to contacts between the military
[1:11] so that we can come and start
[1:14] implementation of the plan. Highlights
[1:16] of the peace plan include withdrawal of
[1:18] all Serb troops from Kosovo,
[1:21] repatriation of more than 800,000 Kosvar
[1:24] refugees, and an international security
[1:26] force with NATO troops at the core to
[1:29] protect the refugees. Belgrade's
[1:31] acceptance of the peace plan was clearly
[1:33] signaled by this emergency meeting of
[1:35] the Serb Parliament. The parliament's
[1:37] overwhelming approval meant President
[1:39] Malloich wanted the deal, even if it was
[1:41] a take it or leave it proposal. Not all
[1:44] Serbs like the major p's terms for
[1:46] ending the war.
[1:47] >> It means that Serbia's government
[1:49] capitulated since it accepted foreign
[1:52] troops in in the territory of Serbia.
[1:55] >> We will never accept aggressive troops
[1:57] in any part of Serbia. On Belgrade
[2:00] streets, reaction was reserved and
[2:02] guarded, cautious about what will happen
[2:04] next.
[2:08] >> I don't know how Americans will react. I
[2:10] think Americans just prefer bombing us.
[2:12] A senior government official called the
[2:14] day's events the first step toward peace
[2:16] in Yugoslavia. Still, the Balkans have
[2:19] been racked by war for nearly a decade
[2:21] now, and securing a genuine peace may be
[2:24] at least as challenging as waging war.
[2:28] So when the peace envoys from Europe and
[2:31] Russia departed this time, theirs may
[2:33] only have been a temporary goodbye.
[2:36] Walter Rogers, CNN Belgrade.
[2:38] We remind our viewers CNN's reporting
[2:40] from Yugoslavia is subject to certain
[2:42] restrictions set by Yugoslav
[2:44] authorities. CNN must seek permission to
[2:46] videotape news events and unrestricted
[2:48] travel outside of Belgrade is not
[2:50] permitted. Bernie,
[2:52] >> joining us now from the Pentagon, the
[2:54] defense secretary of the United States,
[2:56] William Cohen. Mr. Secretary, why have
[3:00] the Yugoslavians agreed?
[3:02] >> Well, I really can't answer why they've
[3:04] agreed. What I can say is that our air
[3:07] campaign has been intensified for some
[3:09] time now and it gets stronger each day
[3:12] and does more damage to Mr. Mallovich's
[3:14] forces each day. Uh why he has accepted
[3:18] this uh and we hope that not only accept
[3:20] it but implements it before any real
[3:23] positive action can take part on can
[3:25] take place on our part remains to be
[3:27] seen and he will have to declare for
[3:29] himself his rationale and reasons for
[3:30] it. But I can say that the air campaign
[3:33] has been intensified. As a result of
[3:35] that, we're seeing damage done on a
[3:36] fairly substantial basis uh each day.
[3:39] >> Mr. Secretary, are you and others in the
[3:41] administration suggesting that there
[3:42] will be no letup whatsoever in the NATO
[3:46] air campaign, the bombing campaign in
[3:49] light of what the Yugoslav Parliament
[3:51] has voted.
[3:52] >> We have indicated from the very
[3:53] beginning there must not only be an
[3:55] acceptance uh in word of this agreement.
[3:58] There must be an acceptance indeed.
[3:59] There must be a manifestation of the
[4:01] intent to comply with this agreement by
[4:04] uh pulling forces out. So until such
[4:06] time as we see that manifestation, we
[4:08] intend to continue the air campaign.
[4:09] We're not going to rely upon either acts
[4:11] or statements of parliament or paper
[4:13] promises. We have to see the deeds being
[4:15] carried out.
[4:17] >> Among the deeds to be carried out, the
[4:18] withdrawal of Serb forces. How can you
[4:21] assure yourself and the NATO allies that
[4:24] every Serb soldier will have withdrawn?
[4:27] Well, we have a substantial capability
[4:29] of seeing what is taking place on the
[4:31] ground. To the extent that the Serbs
[4:33] start to move their forces out in
[4:34] substantial numbers and indicate an
[4:36] intent to carry forward carry forward
[4:38] the entire agreement, we can make a
[4:40] judgment at that point as to whether uh
[4:42] we will continue or not continue the
[4:44] campaign. Obviously, we would not seek
[4:46] to impede uh their withdrawal pursuant
[4:49] to a uh an agreement on their part to
[4:51] fully withdraw from Kosovo, but we will
[4:53] make that judgment at an appropriate
[4:54] time. Until we see the actual
[4:56] performance as opposed to simply the
[4:58] words, then we intend to continue the
[5:00] campaign.
[5:01] >> Mr. Secretary, do you see that there do
[5:04] you acknowledge that there still will be
[5:06] a Serb role in the new Kosovo, the
[5:09] Kosovo post this NATO bombing campaign?
[5:12] Well, as the agreement provides, there
[5:14] can be some minor uh participation on
[5:17] the part of the Serbs as far as uh
[5:19] guarding some sacred sites be a very uh
[5:22] small number of Serbs that would be
[5:24] allowed into Kosovo. The key element of
[5:26] course is to have that peacekeeping
[5:28] force that is robust enough to make sure
[5:30] that uh security and safety of the
[5:32] refugees can be guaranteed and that
[5:35] there will be a command and control
[5:36] structure under NATO's uh umbrella as
[5:39] such. And uh those are the key elements
[5:41] and so uh we think that there can be
[5:43] some minor participation on the part of
[5:45] the Serbs but not in very large numbers.
[5:48] >> Secretary Cohen, should President Slodon
[5:50] Malloich be put on trial for war crimes
[5:53] and atrocities?
[5:55] >> Uh that's completely up to the court to
[5:57] make that determination. There has been
[5:58] an indictment and I would assume that
[6:00] the prosecutor would intend to carry
[6:01] through uh with uh the indictment, but
[6:04] that's up to the court, not for me.
[6:07] Secretary William Conn, thanks for
[6:08] joining us on World View. My pleasure.
[6:10] >> Quite welcome. Western reaction to the
[6:12] agreement has been hopeful but cautious.
[6:15] We have two live reports from senior
[6:17] White House correspondent Wolf Blitzer
[6:18] and chief international correspondent
[6:20] Cristian Almanpor in Cologne, Germany,
[6:22] where Finnish President Ashari flew to
[6:25] brief European Europe leaders after his
[6:28] trip to Belgrade. Cristian, first to
[6:30] you.
[6:32] Well, Bernie, it started to rain and
[6:34] it's cold, but really it's not an
[6:36] exaggeration to say it can't rain on the
[6:38] European leaders parade today because
[6:40] quite frankly, NATO leaders have been
[6:42] holding their breath for now nearly 10
[6:44] weeks of bombing campaign. And today,
[6:46] for the first time here, they have been
[6:48] able to breathe a collective sigh of
[6:50] relief. While they're very pleased with
[6:52] what the Finnish president, their envoy,
[6:54] uh, mighty Artisari has been able to
[6:56] achieve in Belgrade, the watch word is
[6:58] caution. Although they say it's a good
[7:00] day for diplomacy and they are very very
[7:02] pleased that their NATO uh coalition
[7:04] held together in an extraordinary
[7:06] fashion. Uh everybody is talking caution
[7:09] and they're saying the proof will be in
[7:11] the implementation and that the Yugoslav
[7:13] leader must now do that.
[7:16] I think you're just sensibly cautious uh
[7:20] if you're dealing with Mallosvich and
[7:23] you're dealing with a situation in which
[7:24] there have been so many terrible things
[7:26] done and I've got no doubt at all we
[7:29] wouldn't be in this position were it not
[7:31] for the fact that NATO has demonstrated
[7:33] unity demonstrated resolve
[7:36] now the European leaders also were very
[7:38] careful to thank and pay tribute to the
[7:40] Russian participation Victor Cherna
[7:42] Murden the special Russian envoy made
[7:45] several trips to Bgrade and they went
[7:47] out of their way today to praise his
[7:49] efforts. What's clear in the end though,
[7:51] according to the European leaders, is
[7:53] that Russia eventually came on board
[7:55] with NATO's uh conditions, agreeing most
[7:58] significantly to a NATO peace force in
[8:01] Kosovo. And that they felt perhaps was
[8:04] the thing that made Mallich realize that
[8:06] he really had nowhere else to turn. Now
[8:09] we go to CNN's senior White House
[8:11] correspondent Wolf Blitzer at the White
[8:13] House for reaction from the leader of
[8:15] the NATO alliance.
[8:16] >> Cristian, President Clinton and other
[8:18] top advisers are very, very happy about
[8:21] what's going on. Although publicly
[8:23] they're avoiding any sense of gloating.
[8:25] They're avoiding any sense that this is
[8:27] a done deal because they've been down
[8:29] here before. They say they can't
[8:31] necessarily trust the words of either
[8:33] the Yugoslav President Slobal or his
[8:36] parliament. At the same time, Mr.
[8:38] Clinton is warning that the air strikes,
[8:40] at least for the time being, will
[8:42] continue.
[8:44] >> First, we must have clarity that the
[8:46] Serbian leadership has fully accepted
[8:48] these conditions and intends to fully
[8:51] implement them. Until then, and until
[8:55] Serb forces begin a verifiable
[8:56] withdrawal from Kosovo, we will continue
[8:59] to pursue diplomacy, but we will also
[9:02] continue the military effort that has
[9:04] brought us to this point.
[9:06] US officials say the next 24 to 48 hours
[9:09] will be critical in determining whether
[9:11] this peace process is going to go
[9:13] forward. We just heard from the defense
[9:15] secretary William Cohen announced that
[9:17] there will be an effort made in the next
[9:19] day or two or three to go forward with
[9:21] the start of a militarytoilitary
[9:24] conversation between NATO and the
[9:26] Yugoslav military forces. The purpose
[9:29] would be to begin that Serb withdrawal
[9:31] of their 40 to 50,000 military,
[9:34] paramilitary, and police forces from
[9:36] Kosovo. Wolf Blitzer, CNN, reporting
[9:38] live from the White House.
[9:41] >> Thank you, Wolf, and thank you,
[9:42] Christian. Well, some details of the
[9:44] Kosovo peace plan have yet to be worked
[9:47] out. CNN's David Ensor reports on some
[9:49] potential sticking points.
[9:52] The peace plan approved by the
[9:54] parliament in Belgrade appears to fully
[9:56] meet NATO's demands. But as US officials
[9:58] were cautioning, the devil is in the
[10:00] details and there could still be trouble
[10:02] with them. For example, the plan says
[10:04] the UN Security Council, where Russia
[10:07] has a veto, will decide on Kosovo's
[10:09] interim government. The Serbs believe
[10:11] that will give them some key leverage.
[10:14] This would ensure Mallosvich a long-term
[10:16] role because it gives Mallosvich a uh a
[10:22] main voice in the future of Kosovo
[10:24] through the Security Council.
[10:26] >> The plan also leaves many details yet to
[10:28] be worked out. When will Serb forces
[10:30] start to withdraw? What is a verifiable
[10:33] withdrawal that would prompt NATO to
[10:35] stop bombing? When will NATO and other
[10:37] peacekeeping forces start moving into
[10:39] Kosovo? And will Russia be part of the
[10:41] peacekeeping force? Uh we the United
[10:44] States and I think this is a view shared
[10:45] by all of our allies think that it would
[10:48] be a very good thing if Russia is part
[10:51] of that.
[10:52] >> US officials point to the way Russian
[10:54] and American troops have worked together
[10:56] in Bosnia keeping the peace as a model
[10:58] for Kosovo but there is no agreement
[11:01] yet. Then there is the key issue of who
[11:04] is in military command of the
[11:06] peacekeepers. The US says it must be
[11:08] NATO. The plan says the forces will be
[11:11] under overall UN jurisdiction. How the
[11:14] details are worked out could be
[11:16] critical.
[11:17] >> Before the United States puts a single
[11:18] soldier in or anybody else from NATO,
[11:21] you have to be sure about who's in
[11:23] charge. And there's a test. The test is,
[11:26] will refugees feel comfortable enough to
[11:28] go home? But while the deal is not yet
[11:31] done, US officials are pointing out that
[11:34] their strategy of sticking with the air
[11:36] campaign for more than 10 weeks does
[11:38] appear to have convinced the Serbs to
[11:40] give in to NATO demands. They aren't
[11:43] celebrating here yet, but they are
[11:45] relieved. David Ensor, CNN, the
[11:48] Pentagon.
[11:50] News of the peace proposal spread
[11:51] quickly among Kosovo's refugees. Many
[11:54] reacted cautiously. CNN's Ben Weedman
[11:56] reports from the Stanovich refugee camp
[11:59] in Macedonia.
[12:04] >> It was news the Kosvar refugees were
[12:07] waiting to hear.
[12:11] >> But when the news was broadcast over
[12:13] loudspeakers at Stenovich's refugee
[12:15] camp, it was met with a strong dose of
[12:18] skepticism. Yeah, we're happy, but uh we
[12:21] can't believe it cuz uh they all we
[12:26] always get those news that it's going to
[12:28] be good, but they changed them their
[12:31] minds. I heard the news today and I mean
[12:35] that Milvich many times give promises
[12:40] and never never he don't
[12:44] >> I mean uh he he lying a timetable for
[12:48] the return of the refugees is still a
[12:51] long way off even if the peace plan is
[12:53] signed sealed and delivered given the
[12:56] logistical challenge of moving more than
[12:59] 250,000
[13:01] refugees out of Macedonia. It will be
[13:04] weeks and more likely months before they
[13:06] can begin to leave.
[13:10] And before that can happen, a NATOled
[13:12] peacekeeping force, much of it currently
[13:15] based in Macedonia, would have to move
[13:17] in. That force now stands at more than
[13:21] 15,000 and will be increased to 30,000
[13:24] in the coming weeks.
[13:26] train multinational forces here um who
[13:29] have been doing it nothing but training
[13:31] uh maintaining our military skills and
[13:33] we're ready to implement a peace
[13:35] agreement if directed to do so.
[13:37] >> For the time being the refugees will
[13:39] have to stay put enduring conditions
[13:42] difficult enough as they are and bound
[13:44] to deteriorate as summer sets in. As
[13:48] much as these refugees would like to
[13:50] return home today, it will take far more
[13:53] than news from Belgrade to convince them
[13:55] it is safe to return. Ben Weedman, CNN,
[13:59] Stanovitz refugee camp, Macedonia.
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[17:15] The Moneyline NewsHour with Lou Dos.
[17:17] Week night, 6:30 Eastern on CNN.
[17:28] On this 10-year anniversary of the
[17:30] crackdown in Tianman Square, China is
[17:33] facing new unrest. The story from CNN's
[17:36] Beijing Bureau Chief Rebecca McKinnon.
[17:39] Laidoff workers demonstrate for pay.
[17:42] Neighborhood residents protest
[17:44] corruption. A woman demands justice for
[17:47] a relative killed by medical
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[18:20] But as with these farmers in southern
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[18:39] There are also many Chinese who've
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[18:51] The public's attitude has changed since
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[18:59] For me personally, human rights means
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[19:19] unrest around the country is not likely
[19:22] to bring the government down anytime
[19:24] soon. Rebecca McKinnon, CNN Beijing.
[19:28] >> And for Worldview, I'm Bernard Shaw
[19:30] >> and I'm Judy Woodruff. The moneyline
[19:31] NewsHour with Lou Dos next.
[19:39] >> This is the
[20:02] helping children beyond blaming on Larry
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[20:09] Peace in Yugoslavia. NATO officials say
[20:12] air strikes could end within days. But
[20:15] is everyone on board? A look at Kosovo's
[20:18] rebels, their willingness to lay down
[20:20] their weapons of war, and their aims of
[20:23] independence.
[20:24] And 10 years after the massacre in
[20:27] Tanman Square, a new movement in China,
[20:30] an exclus