The O'Reilly Factor (FNC) - 2006-11-21 - 1 of 2
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[0:12] The O'Reilly factor is on tonight. Days
[0:14] after her young son vanished, Melinda
[0:16] Ducket took the heat in a Nancy Grace
[0:19] interview, then killed herself. Now her
[0:21] family is suing CNN. We'll have the
[0:24] story. Polygamous leader Warren Jeffs
[0:27] faces accuser in court today. We'll have
[0:30] details of the teen bride's shocking
[0:32] testimony.
[0:34] >> I'm not a racist. That's what's so
[0:36] insane about this. I don't And yet it's
[0:40] said it comes through. It fires out of
[0:43] me. And a bizarre apology from comedian
[0:46] Michael Richards over his racist
[0:48] remarks. Caution. You're about to enter
[0:51] the no spin zone. The factor begins
[0:53] right now.
[1:03] Hi, I'm John Kasich reporting tonight
[1:05] for Bill O'Reilly. Bill's on vacation.
[1:07] We want to thank you for watching us.
[1:09] Ahead on the factor, all across the
[1:11] country, nursing mothers out in force at
[1:13] airports today to protest Delta Airlines
[1:16] for kicking one woman off of a flight.
[1:19] Officials say she was breastfeeding too
[1:21] openly. But these moms obviously have
[1:24] something to say about it. We're going
[1:25] to have the debate. And then on the
[1:27] heels of an incoherent racist rant at a
[1:30] Los Angeles comedy club, Michael
[1:32] Richards of Seinfeld fame makes a very
[1:35] bizarre appearance on late night TV.
[1:38] I'm deeply deeply sorry. And
[1:43] um I've got I I'll get to the force
[1:48] field of this hostility.
[1:51] why it's there, why the rage is in any
[1:53] of us.
[1:54] >> H more on that coming up. But first, our
[1:57] top story. The family of 21-year-old
[1:59] Melinda Duckett files a wrongful death
[2:02] lawsuit against CNN. You may remember
[2:04] Melinda was interviewed by Nancy Grace
[2:06] after her son Trenton vanished. The
[2:09] questioning got pretty tough.
[2:11] >> Why aren't aren't you telling us where
[2:13] you were that day? You were the last
[2:15] person to be seen with him.
[2:17] >> And we've already gone out and
[2:18] distributed the fires and stuff,
[2:19] >> right? Why aren't you telling us and
[2:21] giving us a clear picture where you were
[2:23] before your son was kidnapped?
[2:25] >> Because I'm not going to put those kind
[2:26] of details out.
[2:27] >> Why?
[2:29] >> Because I was told not to.
[2:33] >> Miss Ducket,
[2:35] you're not telling us for a reason. What
[2:39] is the reason? You refuse to give him
[2:41] the simplest facts of where you were
[2:43] with your son before he went missing.
[2:45] >> The next day, Melinda killed herself.
[2:47] And since that time, suspicions about
[2:49] her son's disappearance has fallen on
[2:52] her. Joining us now from Miami, Jay Paul
[2:55] Deritani, the attorney for Melinda's
[2:57] parents and her estate. Jay, if you
[2:59] could quickly sum up why you think you
[3:01] have a case here, what's it based upon?
[3:04] Well, John, it's based upon three
[3:06] factors. It's not simply the words that
[3:10] uh uh Nancy Grace used that day. It's
[3:13] the fact that she misled Melinda into
[3:16] going on the show. At least that's our
[3:18] allegation at this point in our witness
[3:20] testimony, I believe, will prove that
[3:22] out. Basically, Melinda was told to come
[3:24] on the show to showcase the fact that
[3:27] Trenton was missing and hopefully to
[3:30] elicit from the public uh uh the support
[3:33] in trying to find Trenton. Secondly,
[3:36] Nancy Grace had specific knowledge that
[3:39] Melinda was in a a fragile condition.
[3:41] And it's obvious from the tape that she
[3:44] is a distraught mother. And yet she
[3:46] continued to barrage with questions even
[3:49] after as just as you just played that
[3:50] tape. Even after uh Melinda simply said,
[3:54] "Well, uh we're talking about the
[3:55] flyers. I'm trying what's the third
[3:57] what's the third one, Jay?"
[3:59] >> Well, and the words. So, you combine the
[4:01] words with the knowledge of Nancy Grace
[4:04] and uh the the deception or or failure
[4:07] to to properly ask or identify what uh
[4:12] she was going on the show for.
[4:13] >> All right. All right. I think we got to
[4:14] that. But here here's the thing. Who the
[4:17] who thinks they're going to go on Nancy
[4:19] Grace's show and it's going to be some
[4:21] kind of a controlled environment? I
[4:23] mean, Nancy Grace is known for having
[4:25] volatile interviews. You know, that's
[4:27] that's frankly that's why people watch
[4:29] her. So, what what was the surprising
[4:32] aspect of that?
[4:34] >> Well, first of all, it's not you or I.
[4:36] It's not a congressman. Uh it's not a
[4:38] lawyer. This is a 21-year-old kid. I
[4:41] don't know what Melinda knew, but the
[4:42] bottom line was the producers and and
[4:45] she represented to Melinda that they
[4:48] were going on the show for a different
[4:49] reason.
[4:49] >> Well, we're not we're not sure about
[4:50] that, Jay. But listen, I just in that
[4:52] little sound bite that we just heard
[4:54] from Nancy Grace, she's asking Miss Mrs.
[4:57] Duck it. She's saying, "Where were you?"
[5:00] I mean, I don't know what's what's so
[5:01] tough about that question. What did you
[5:03] do the day that your son and she even
[5:05] said when your son was kidnapped? She
[5:07] didn't allege anything. She just said,
[5:09] "Tell us the details of what was going
[5:11] on." I don't know how the heck you have
[5:13] a lawsuit because you got a TV
[5:15] commentator asking a question that
[5:18] everybody, frankly, is asking.
[5:20] >> Oh, come on. She's not simply ask she's
[5:24] not asking her uh where she is. She's
[5:27] implying and she says it uh we want to
[5:30] know more information. That last
[5:31] statement there is is implying that
[5:34] Melinda harmed her son. We think
[5:36] something more is going on. Whatever the
[5:38] exact words were that she and Melinda,
[5:41] she has knowledge that Melinda is a
[5:43] distraught mother going on that show.
[5:45] So, you have a 21-year-old kid who's
[5:48] going on that show and is not told why
[5:51] she's going on.
[5:52] >> Well, look, I mean, I I just Nobody
[5:54] today in this modern world, anybody that
[5:56] has a television set in cable TV knows
[5:59] that when you go into an interview, you
[6:01] you don't really know what's coming and
[6:03] you know, you're going to be asked some
[6:04] tough questions, especially if your kid
[6:06] disappears. Now, if you look at the
[6:07] suicide note that Miss Ducket uh that
[6:11] she wrote, there was no mention of Nancy
[6:13] Grace. There was no mention of CNN. Her
[6:16] husband doesn't think that Nancy Grace
[6:18] contributed to this suicide. So why
[6:22] would you guys think that that she did?
[6:24] >> Well, based upon the circumstances that
[6:26] occurred, based upon the stress that she
[6:28] was under, she'd committed suicide,
[6:31] John, within a day of that interview.
[6:33] >> But is it possible that because of that
[6:35] interview, and I'm not alleging
[6:36] anything, I just know she remains a top
[6:38] suspect. Is it possible that because of
[6:41] that interview, she realized there's no
[6:43] way out? She can't answer these
[6:45] questions. And maybe she said, you know,
[6:47] there I have no way out, so I'm going to
[6:49] take my own life. Isn't that possible
[6:51] here?
[6:52] >> Sir, anything's possible. We're simply
[6:55] but we're saying, wait, and what we're
[6:57] saying is that's one factor. Uh we we
[7:00] don't have to allege in a complaint uh
[7:03] that it's uh the only factor that caused
[7:05] her death, but certainly what we believe
[7:07] is that uh the interview and Nancy
[7:09] Grace's conduct in combination with
[7:12] failing to tell her the basis of the
[7:14] show when she's a 21-year-old distraught
[7:16] mother going that Jay. I I I think
[7:19] that's I just think that's a thin deal.
[7:22] Let me ask you this. Do you really do
[7:24] you think that CNN just might want to
[7:26] settle this? Is this why this suit was
[7:27] brought?
[7:29] No, it wasn't brought for that. And the
[7:31] parents are prepared to go all the way
[7:33] with this lawsuit.
[7:35] >> Certainly, they've had two months to
[7:36] make an apology. And by the way, the
[7:38] lawsuit isn't simply based upon that
[7:40] interview. For two months, they have
[7:42] aired this interview over and over.
[7:45] >> Well, that's a different issue of
[7:46] sensitivity. But you know, Jay, you
[7:47] didn't really know what you were going
[7:48] to get from me when you came on here,
[7:50] but you know, when you come on the
[7:51] Factor, you're going to get some tough
[7:53] questions. And I think the same thing
[7:54] happens when you go on a show like Nancy
[7:56] Grace. But Jay, it's good to hear from
[7:58] you. We'll keep a prize of this. Next,
[8:00] compelling courtroom testimony by young
[8:02] women trapped in the polygamous
[8:04] lifestyle. Is this enough to sink Warren
[8:07] Jeffs? We'll look at it when we come
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[10:48] In the unresolved problem segment
[10:50] tonight, polygamous leader Warren Jeffs
[10:51] faces his accuser in a Utah courtroom
[10:54] today. He's charged as an accomplice to
[10:56] rape for allegedly forcing a 14-year-old
[10:59] girl to marry her cousin. Jane Doe,
[11:02] who's now 20, took the stand today and
[11:04] so did her older sister.
[11:06] >> She was crying and she'd say, "I don't
[11:08] care. I don't want to be married." and
[11:12] we
[11:13] still were informed that we had to do
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[11:25] even while we were sewing it and and we
[11:28] would try it on her and she would just
[11:29] be crying and crying. God,
[11:32] >> it's just unbelievable. Joining us now
[11:33] from outside the courthouse in St.
[11:35] George, Utah, Carol McKinley. And from
[11:37] Minneapolis, former head of the sex
[11:39] crimes unit in Salt Lake City, Greg
[11:41] Scortis. All right, Carol, let let's uh
[11:44] let's start with you. U tell us about
[11:46] what went on in that courtroom today.
[11:48] This um this girl at the time was 14
[11:51] years old. She's now 20. Tell us about
[11:53] her testimony.
[11:56] >> Well, her testimony was riveting. In
[11:58] fact, we're all listening in there and
[11:59] you can hardly keep from from listening
[12:02] to her. It's hard to leave the room
[12:03] because she cries, her voice is
[12:05] trembling. Uh she's she's been in there
[12:07] for about 4 hours and she never wavers
[12:10] even though she admits she's very
[12:12] nervous. And she talks about how she
[12:14] grew up in this culture. Uh her mother
[12:17] uh lost their father because the father
[12:19] had uh had been kicked out of the
[12:20] church. So she was reassigned to another
[12:22] man during all this. When she turned 14,
[12:25] she's told it's her turn to get married.
[12:28] She breaks down when she talks about how
[12:30] she finds out that her partner is to be
[12:32] her first cousin. She says it was the
[12:35] worst night of her life, the night
[12:36] before she got married. She talks about
[12:38] how tough it was to have marital
[12:41] relations. In other words, to have sex
[12:42] with this man at the age of 14 when she
[12:45] didn't even know what it was about. Uh
[12:47] now Warren Jeffs is in the courtroom
[12:49] just feet away from her. This is the man
[12:51] who was God's mouthpiece to her. He's
[12:54] staring at her sometimes with a gentle
[12:57] smile on his face. There are 12 men
[13:00] behind him in support of him, all
[13:02] dressed in suits, who have 40 wives
[13:04] between them. That's how the courtroom
[13:06] is. Very intimidating for this woman,
[13:08] but at 20 years old and very pregnant,
[13:10] by the way, herself today, she's holding
[13:13] up well. John
[13:14] >> Carol, let's talk a little bit about
[13:16] Warren Jeffs. You know, he's um you
[13:19] know, look, I I I can't prejudge it, at
[13:21] least not on the air. I got thoughts, my
[13:23] own thoughts in my head about the about
[13:26] some of the viciousness that have that
[13:28] has been reported about what's gone on
[13:29] in this uh in this uh cult. Um tell us
[13:34] about the way in which he looked at her,
[13:36] how he tried to intimidate her in the
[13:38] courtroom, the fact that he had these
[13:40] people standing behind her and the
[13:42] intimidation that has occurred outside
[13:44] the courtroom.
[13:46] >> Well, you know, her family's not in
[13:49] there. Her two sisters have testified,
[13:50] but they're not actually in the
[13:52] courtroom for her. Although there are
[13:54] investigators on the side who've worked
[13:56] very closely with her who are there to
[13:58] to let her know that that what she's
[14:00] doing is to them the right thing. Uh
[14:03] outside the courtroom, they've kept her
[14:05] under wraps. We uh we haven't known her
[14:07] name until today. Uh we won't reveal it
[14:10] today, but it's been very hard for her.
[14:12] Again, in the courtroom, you've got this
[14:14] entourage of Warren and Jeff sitting
[14:16] there. Um, these men have about 40 wives
[14:19] between them. That's the culture. They
[14:21] didn't ask any women to come along. Um,
[14:24] Warren Jeffs is very thin right now.
[14:26] He's been in uh in jail since about
[14:28] August or so, looking gaunt, but still
[14:32] very um I would say humble and and many
[14:35] of his uh people who followed him before
[14:37] but think he's a phony now say it's all
[14:39] just an act. And really on the inside,
[14:41] he can't wait to get back out of there.
[14:43] Greg, apparently the sister's testimony,
[14:45] and by the way, she was 19. She married
[14:47] 83-year-old Rulon Jeffs, who used to run
[14:50] the sect before this guy took over. Uh
[14:54] they they described her testimony as
[14:56] very compelling cuz she could
[14:58] corroborate uh what her sister, younger
[15:01] sister said. How critical is this
[15:04] testimony from the sister?
[15:07] Anytime you have a case involving a sex
[15:09] crime where you have uh competing
[15:11] versions on what happened, uh
[15:13] cooperation is critical. And in this
[15:15] case, it's very important because it
[15:17] tends to corroborate the the notion that
[15:19] the victim, her younger sister, was
[15:21] concerned and objected and fought about
[15:24] this whole thing from the very beginning
[15:26] that she called her sister and said,
[15:27] "Hey, I don't want to marry this man. I
[15:29] don't want to engage in this. I don't
[15:30] want to be part of this. Uh can you help
[15:32] me get out of this?" And in fact,
[15:33] Warren, who was uh uh her husband's son,
[15:37] if you believe it or not, the sister's
[15:39] was the sister was married to Warren's
[15:41] uh father, um encouraged her to
[15:44] encourage her sister to go ahead with
[15:45] this marriage.
[15:46] >> These charges that they have against
[15:48] them. You know, he was the FBI 10 most
[15:51] wanted. Is this charge serious enough to
[15:54] lock him up? Put this into perspective
[15:57] for us.
[15:59] Rape in Utah carries a term of
[16:01] imprisonment of five to life. And as an
[16:03] accessory to rape, he's as guilty as the
[16:06] the rapist himself, so to speak. It's
[16:08] the same as an armed robber who while
[16:10] there may be robbers who go inside the
[16:12] store and do the robbery, if you've got
[16:13] somebody out in the car doing the
[16:14] driving or someone who's back home
[16:16] planning it, they're absolutely just as
[16:18] guilty. And in Utah, rape uh carries
[16:21] five to life. Our board of pardons would
[16:23] certainly put him away for a long time.
[16:25] Carol, you know, in watching this young
[16:27] lady studying her there, obviously the
[16:29] defense is going to attempt to just
[16:31] shake her testimony to try to bring her
[16:34] down. Your gut in terms of whether a
[16:37] 20-year-old is tough enough to face an
[16:39] entire community.
[16:42] >> Well, the defense team is a man and a
[16:44] woman, and the woman is the one who's
[16:46] doing the questioning uh in the
[16:48] courtroom right now. And um as far as
[16:50] shaking down an entire community, I
[16:52] believe this woman, from what I've seen
[16:53] today, even though she's nervous and her
[16:56] voice is trembling, she's coming across
[16:58] as someone who's credible, not someone
[17:00] who's overprepared or slick, John. And
[17:02] that could make a huge difference. The
[17:04] defense is trying to discredit her by
[17:06] showing her pictures of her former
[17:08] husband, saying, "Hey, you're smiling
[17:09] here. You're holding his hand. Just how
[17:11] miserable were you really?" And she's
[17:13] coming back with very good, very logical
[17:16] answers. So if this is any indicica
[17:18] indication of how a trial would be, I
[17:20] believe this woman will hold up well
[17:22] even though she's only 20 years old.
[17:24] >> Greg, Greg, they are going to try to say
[17:26] that this is an attack on their
[17:28] religion.
[17:29] It that's not going to hold up. Is it as
[17:31] an excuse if in fact they find out he
[17:34] ordered this?
[17:36] Well, what they're going to say is not
[17:37] that he ordered it, but that he that he
[17:39] felt it was ordained, that he did this
[17:41] because he felt that he had the
[17:42] authority to do that. Not because he was
[17:44] trying to get a 19 and a 14-year-old to
[17:47] have sex without anyone's consent, but
[17:49] that he really and honestly and and
[17:51] faithfully, I guess, believed that what
[17:53] he was doing was the right thing and
[17:54] counseledled her that what she was doing
[17:56] therefore was the right thing. And if
[17:58] that's the case, then I guess you could
[17:59] argue that his religion is on attack.
[18:01] >> That's ridiculous. But Greg, is this
[18:03] going to trial quickly? Oh, this case is
[18:06] going to trial.
[18:06] >> All right, Carol, Greg, thank you both
[18:08] very much. Coming up, the war on
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[21:44] >> In the culture war segment tonight, the
[21:46] war on Christmas hits the Supreme Court.
[21:48] Today, the court is reviewing a petition
[21:50] challenging New York City's ban of the
[21:52] nativity scene in public schools. Well,
[21:55] Manores and the Star and Crescent,
[21:57] they're allowed, but no nativity scenes.
[22:00] The high court announces Friday whether
[22:02] it will hear the case. Megan Kendall
[22:04] joins us now from Washington. Well,
[22:06] Megan, for me, I I'm just getting tired
[22:08] of this stuff. Now, is the Supreme Court
[22:11] going to hear this case is the first
[22:13] question, of course.
[22:14] >> Well, we don't know. They looked at it
[22:16] today. They were scheduled to look at it
[22:17] today. No one knows for sure what they
[22:18] do in that private conference, but they
[22:20] were scheduled to look at it today.
[22:21] Could have gotten a decision today. We
[22:22] didn't. We expect now sometime this week
[22:24] or probably more likely Monday or next
[22:26] week. Uh, but I got to tell you, John,
[22:28] even though they just decided a couple
[22:31] of First Amendment religion cases, you
[22:33] recall those infamous Ten Commandments
[22:34] cases back in 2005, uh, pretty pretty
[22:37] recently, uh, my own bet is that now
[22:40] they've got these four solid
[22:41] conservatives on the court. They only
[22:42] need four to take the case. It's
[22:44] probably I I wouldn't bet against them
[22:46] taking it. Let me put it that way.
[22:47] >> Yeah. And Megan, the the question is now
[22:50] with Alioto going on the court and and
[22:52] let's not forget one thing about George
[22:54] Bush. his greatest legacy is ultimately
[22:57] going to be, I think, the appointments
[22:59] that he's made to these in these
[23:00] judgeships and this in this Supreme
[23:02] Court. Now, the swing vote will be
[23:04] Anthony Kennedy on any of these
[23:06] religious questions. My understanding is
[23:08] he's sort of gone both ways. How do you
[23:10] see the court breaking down? Well, I
[23:13] think if the court does take it and this
[23:14] case goes up and of course there are
[23:16] lots of things that could happen between
[23:17] now and then in terms of the arguments,
[23:18] but if they vote along ideological lines
[23:20] and you get the four conservatives, you
[23:22] know, from Alo and Scalia and Roberts uh
[23:24] and Thomas one way, then it could come
[23:27] down to Kennedy. And in those Ten
[23:28] Commandments cases, Kennedy refused to
[23:31] join with the court's four liberal
[23:32] justices uh in striking down this one
[23:35] display based on their reasoning. I
[23:37] mean, he he sort of charted his own
[23:38] course, I think, in this case and many
[23:41] other cases this term. and and for many
[23:42] terms to come, John, we're going to see
[23:44] Kennedy chart his own course and sort of
[23:46] be the decisive voter.
[23:47] >> That's what I that's what I think,
[23:48] Megan. Now, you know what I don't
[23:50] understand is okay, so you got the
[23:51] manora religious symbol, you got the the
[23:54] crescent religious symbol, you got a
[23:56] Christmas tree. Okay, so here this
[23:59] family says, "We'd like to have a crash.
[24:01] We'd like to have a, you know, a manger
[24:02] scene." The and the school says, "No." I
[24:05] mean, why?
[24:06] >> Well, here's what the school said. The
[24:07] school said, "Look, we we don't want the
[24:09] nativity scene because to us that seems
[24:11] overtly religious."
[24:13] Jesus Well, and and they didn't think
[24:15] that was true with the minora. And they
[24:16] cited some Supreme Court precedent
[24:18] suggesting that the monora had both
[24:20] secular and religious purposes. That was
[24:22] their argument in the lower court.
[24:23] >> Well, you could argue that you could
[24:24] argue that the manger scene has
[24:26] historical purposes. It's a historic
[24:29] event.
[24:29] >> You could, but they didn't really go
[24:30] there. Let me tell you, but let me tell
[24:32] you what happened because the second
[24:33] circuit court of appeals, the court that
[24:34] ruled in favor of the schools, actually
[24:36] said, you know what? You're wrong. That
[24:38] second circuit court of appeals said the
[24:40] minora and the star and crescent are
[24:42] just as religious as the crush. But the
[24:45] school policy is still okay. It's still
[24:47] okay because you don't just because you
[24:49] choose religious symbols for one faith
[24:50] or or two faiths doesn't mean you have
[24:52] to choose religious symbols for all
[24:54] faith. I mean, that's just a goofy
[24:56] court. Look, that's just a goofy court,
[24:57] Megan. You know, just because a court
[24:59] rules a certain way doesn't make it
[25:01] right.
[25:02] >> That's like saying cuz congress passes a
[25:03] law that therefore it's right. Doesn't
[25:05] make it right. It may may have done it.
[25:07] >> Surprising that was the surprising thing
[25:08] about this decision. I mean, we it was
[25:09] expected that if the second circuit
[25:11] found that then they would ruled against
[25:12] the school. They didn't which may entice
[25:15] the Supreme Court to take a second.
[25:16] >> Megan, you know, look, I mean, the
[25:17] bottom line is real simple. It's real
[25:20] easy to pick on Christians. I mean, it's
[25:22] just easy in this culture today. it's
[25:24] politically correct to do it. And it's
[25:26] just a shame. And I'll tell you what
[25:28] though, with the Supreme Court changing,
[25:30] I think I'm going to predict we're going
[25:32] to see more equity. And I'm going to
[25:33] predict we're going to have more common
[25:35] sense decisions that's going to reflect
[25:37] the culture when I was a kid when God
[25:40] was not a dirty word. Megan, uh, we'll
[25:43] have to see though. Thank you for being
[25:45] with us. You're the best. Plenty more
[25:46] ahead as the Factor moves along this
[25:48] evening. Nursing moms take to the
[25:50] nation's airports to protest Delta's
[25:52] treatment of a breastfeeding mom. How
[25:54] open is too open? And then Jerry
[25:57] Seinfeld throws his support behind
[25:59] Michael Richards. But should he have
[26:00] stayed out of the mess surrounding the
[26:02] comedian's racist rant? Come on back for
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[29:13] In the personal story segment tonight, a
[29:15] nurse in today at the nation's airports.
[29:18] Here's what these mothers are so angry
[29:20] about. Last month, 27year-old Emily
[29:23] Gillette was on a delayed Delta flight
[29:25] breastfeeding her 22 year old
[29:28] 22month-old daughter. A flight attendant
[29:31] asked her to cover up. She refused and
[29:33] officials had her removed from the
[29:35] plane. Breastfeeding mothers came out to
[29:37] share show their solidarity today in 33
[29:41] cities. Pretty amazing. Joining us now
[29:43] from Baltimore, one of those protesters,
[29:45] Lorie Lee. And here in New York, defense
[29:47] attorney Kathleen Mullen. All right,
[29:50] Lori, let's start with you. What's
[29:52] unreasonable about a flight attendant
[29:54] saying to a nursing mom, "Hey, could you
[29:57] just cover up a little bit here?
[30:01] Well, that's not really what she said. I
[30:03] mean, what she said is, "What you're
[30:04] doing offends me." So, really, you know,
[30:06] she had a problem with breastfeeding. It
[30:08] wasn't just the issue of covering up.
[30:09] But secondly, she was breaking the law
[30:10] in the state of Vermont.
[30:11] >> But wait a minute. Wait a minute. She
[30:13] she she handed the lady a blanket and
[30:15] said, "Could you cover up?"
[30:18] >> And the mother said, "No, thank you. I'm
[30:20] fine doing what I'm doing." She was
[30:22] wearing a nursing shirt and the baby and
[30:24] the shirt were covering her breast
[30:26] completely.
[30:27] >> Okay. So in other words, you think you
[30:29] think it was a request. Okay, Kathleen,
[30:31] how do you feel about that? Here you
[30:33] have the flight attendant saying cover
[30:34] cover up. Now she she says that you know
[30:37] the breast was not exposed. I mean your
[30:38] take on this this thing.
[30:40] >> I think John that a lot there are a lot
[30:41] of things in our polite society which
[30:44] offend some people don't offend other
[30:46] people. When you are out in society and
[30:49] this woman was in an aircraft captive
[30:51] audience and what you are doing while it
[30:54] may be legal is offending someone else's
[30:56] sensibilities. I don't see what's wrong
[30:58] with a little common courtesy. How about
[31:00] some
[31:01] >> she now this lady to be fair to her. She
[31:03] was sitting the second row from the
[31:05] back. The plane had been delayed for
[31:07] over 3 hours. Okay. It's not like she
[31:10] was in you know walking around the
[31:11] plane. She was in the back of the plane.
[31:12] Could this just have been a case where,
[31:15] you know, the Look, I've been in
[31:16] airports. It drives you crazy, right?
[31:18] Where, you know, the flight attendant
[31:19] got carried away and just was angry?
[31:21] >> Well, there it very well may have been a
[31:23] case where the flight attendant was
[31:24] angry. But if what she said was, "Could
[31:26] you please cover up what you're doing is
[31:28] offending me, John? What's wrong with
[31:30] this woman saying, "Oh, I'm terribly
[31:32] sorry." and trying to be respectful of
[31:34] someone else's sensitivities. I don't
[31:36] see what's the matter with that.
[31:37] >> Lori, is this a bigger cause? I mean, we
[31:38] could talk about what happened on that
[31:40] airplane all night long and you say one
[31:42] and somebody else says another, but is
[31:44] this really a a case of where some
[31:47] people think they ought to be able to
[31:49] breastfeed in any sort of a sort of a
[31:51] circumstance while other people say,
[31:53] "I'm uncomfortable. How about some
[31:56] compromise or some common sense?"
[31:59] Uh I believe it truly is a bigger issue
[32:02] because as a matter of public policy in
[32:04] this country, we say that um
[32:05] breastfeeding rates are very low
[32:07] compared to other western nations. We
[32:09] need to increase them. And yet public
[32:11] attitudes and the experience of women
[32:14] when they go out as a new breastfeeding
[32:16] mother is that it's shameful. It's
[32:18] wrong. We don't want it around.
[32:20] Discretion is really a red herring
[32:22] because I've been doing this for years
[32:23] now, working with breastfeeding mothers.
[32:25] It's what I do as a career. And I can
[32:28] tell you that I don't know any mothers
[32:29] who go out of their way to expose their
[32:31] breasts. Everybody pretty much is
[32:32] discreet. Um, and a a child beyond the
[32:36] age of two months will not let you put a
[32:38] blanket over their head. You'll draw
[32:40] more attention to yourself because
[32:41] they'll be ripping at the blanket and
[32:42] starting to fuss at you because they
[32:43] want to look at you and they don't want
[32:45] to be suffocated under a cover.
[32:47] >> Yeah. What's important is that we say
[32:50] that we need to increase breastfeeding
[32:51] rates. So that means that
[32:53] >> nobody nobody's nobody's disagreeing
[32:55] with that. It's it's a question of look,
[32:57] you got people sitting in airports
[32:59] today. They were in Columbus today
[33:01] sitting in their protesting and I I
[33:03] don't quite get it. You know what the
[33:05] what the big hubup is? I've never seen
[33:07] anybody uh you know stand up and say
[33:09] stop breastfeeding your kid,
[33:10] >> right? Nobody is against breastfeeding.
[33:12] We're all for breastfeeding. If you want
[33:14] to breastfeed your baby, go right ahead.
[33:16] But when you are out in public, how
[33:18] about having some respect for other
[33:20] people's sensitivities that may be
[33:21] different than yours? In the video we
[33:23] just saw in the protest, there were
[33:26] women standing in the airport with their
[33:27] breasts exposed, with their babies
[33:29] breastfed.
[33:29] >> Well, I don't think that's what Lori
[33:30] wants. That's not what she's saying.
[33:32] She's saying, "Let's not send a mixed
[33:33] message." bought. You know, part of the
[33:35] issue