CBS News - New York primary - 1984-04-03
Channel: malgent
Transcript
Language: English (original, YouTube automatic captions)
[0:01] Tonight's CBS late movie Magnum,
[0:04] followed by Mloud, will begin
[0:05] immediately following a CBS News special
[0:08] report on today's primaries.
[0:28] CBS News coverage of campaign 84
[0:31] continues tonight. The New York primary.
[0:34] Reporting from CBS News election
[0:36] headquarters in New York. Here is Dan
[0:38] Rather.
[0:39] >> Good evening. Walter Montdale has won
[0:41] big. The day's big prize, the New York
[0:43] primary and most of New York's
[0:45] delegates. Gary Hart wins the solace of
[0:47] a consolation prize only, the no
[0:50] delegates Wisconsin Strictly Beauty
[0:52] Contest primary. But a Fritz Creek for
[0:54] Walter Montdale tonight in New York.
[0:57] >> In the words of a song, I know that if I
[1:02] can make it here, I can make it
[1:04] anywhere.
[1:06] >> Biggest primary trophy yet. Biggest
[1:09] overall except for California. Biggest
[1:11] of the frost belt state primaries.
[1:13] Spring and Water Manddale busting out
[1:15] all over in New York. And Montdale
[1:17] supporters celebrating their Broadway
[1:19] Melody Neon Lights victory here over
[1:21] Gary Hart and Jesse Jackson in a New
[1:23] York primary that sometimes sounded more
[1:26] like a New York City street fight. There
[1:28] were 252 delegates at stake in New York
[1:31] tonight. And the far and away front
[1:33] runner in this chalk full of delegates
[1:35] primary is Walter Montdale. Gary Hart
[1:37] indeed had a close fight for second
[1:40] place against Jesse Jackson. The Empire
[1:43] State, largest of the state primaries so
[1:46] far. The vote count has been rolling in
[1:49] for better than two hours now. And with
[1:51] 94% of the precincts in and reported,
[1:54] Walter Montdale has won on the order.
[1:57] His current totals show 4628
[2:00] 26 over Hart and Jackson. This is with
[2:02] 94% of the precincts reporting. And that
[2:04] gives you some indication of uh just how
[2:07] big Montdale's victory has been. With
[2:09] 252 delegates at stake, our CBS News
[2:12] estimate is that Montdale will wind up
[2:13] getting 133 of them. Gary Hart 72 and
[2:17] Jesse Jackson about 47. Those numbers
[2:20] may change, but we think they will
[2:22] change only slightly. By and large, all
[2:24] in all, this was Walter Montdale's night
[2:27] to shine. Upstate, downstate, city,
[2:30] suburban, urban, and urbane. Bruce
[2:33] Morton is here to analyze Montdale's big
[2:35] apple appeal and how Manddale put all
[2:38] the pieces together. Bruce, let's look
[2:39] them over.
[2:40] >> Dan, when you win, you win, of course.
[2:42] And when you win big, as Walter Montdale
[2:44] did tonight, you win with groups you've
[2:46] often lost in other states. So, if you
[2:48] look at the basic numbers, you see
[2:50] Montdale beating Gary Hart among voters
[2:52] aged 30 to 44, those young, upwardly
[2:55] mobile professionals who've been the
[2:56] core of the heart army elsewhere. But
[2:59] there may be an explanation. And the
[3:00] explanation is that Manddale, like
[3:02] Edward Kennedy four years ago, did very
[3:04] well with Jewish voters who were
[3:06] uniquely important to New York, maybe a
[3:08] quarter of the vote in a Democratic
[3:10] primary here. Manddale beat hard among
[3:12] Jews, better than 2 to1. Now look at the
[3:14] Yumpies, those young, upwardly mobile
[3:17] professionals, the 30 to 44 year old age
[3:19] group. Manddale wins big among Jews in
[3:21] this group. He's even with Hart among
[3:23] white, non-Jewish voters. College
[3:25] graduates, same thing. Manddale is the
[3:27] big winner with Jewish voters in that
[3:29] group. Hart wins narrowly among
[3:31] non-Jewish whites. So Manddale's success
[3:33] with the young professionals is linked
[3:35] to the fact that in New York a lot of
[3:36] those young professionals are Jewish.
[3:38] And it came despite Hart's fervent
[3:40] efforts to portray himself as Israel's
[3:42] friend. Jesse Jackson simply astounding
[3:45] support among blacks, including suburban
[3:47] blacks. 87% of the black voters in our
[3:50] exit poll, but little support among
[3:52] whites. No rainbow yet. Manddale also
[3:54] won among those voters who'd made up
[3:56] their minds in the last three days,
[3:58] which may confirm the general view that
[4:00] he did well in two recent televised
[4:02] debates. Nuclear weapons and worry about
[4:04] them was a major issue here. Bondale
[4:06] actually led heart among people worried
[4:08] about nuclear weapons. But again, his
[4:10] edge was with Jewish voters to whom that
[4:12] issue was important. What all this does
[4:14] is to raise some interesting questions
[4:16] about Pennsylvania, which votes next
[4:17] week. In some ways, it's a lot like New
[4:20] York, lots of old industry, for
[4:21] instance. But it is not like New York
[4:24] because the Jewish vote there is
[4:25] drastically smaller. Dan
[4:27] >> Bruce, uh, did Gary Hart carry any
[4:30] section of the demographics in this
[4:33] vote?
[4:34] >> Not really. If you if you leave out the
[4:36] Jews, he does well with some of the
[4:38] groups he's always done well with, but
[4:39] this is really an acrosstheboard Monday
[4:41] win.
[4:42] >> Thank you, Bruce. With his overwhelming
[4:43] victory tonight, Walter Mondo may have
[4:45] found the biggest boon in New York since
[4:47] the Dutch bought Manhattan. The primary
[4:49] results pointed to a bright new day in
[4:51] the Montdale campaign, but the former
[4:53] vice president indicated he's eager to
[4:55] avoid a troublesome old tag.
[4:57] >> The size of this win would indicate to
[4:59] me that you were again very clearly the
[5:01] front runner. Agree?
[5:02] >> No, I don't. I think we've had a very
[5:04] good day. Uh because I think we were
[5:07] able to get the debate on the question
[5:09] that matters. Who would make the best
[5:10] president? Where do we want to take this
[5:12] country? But this is only one day. I
[5:15] think this is a tough fight. We now go
[5:16] to Pennsylvania. My guess is we're
[5:19] probably dead even there and I'm going
[5:20] to start the same debate tomorrow
[5:22] morning in Pennsylvania.
[5:24] >> You don't plan a change of campaign
[5:25] strategy. You're not going to pull back.
[5:27] >> No, I'm going to, In other words, this
[5:29] is a tough campaign. I'm going to talk
[5:31] about where I want to take this country,
[5:33] why I think I'm ready to be that
[5:36] president, the key issues as I see them,
[5:39] of peace, of arms control, of a of a
[5:43] policy that'll restore America's
[5:45] competitive posture, uh, a strong new
[5:48] initiative for fairness and American
[5:49] life, and I will define the differences
[5:52] between myself and my opponents as we go
[5:55] down the road. another weak showing
[5:57] among blacks about 12% of the vote. Now
[6:02] you're talking about a quarter of the
[6:03] Democratic vote. When are we going to
[6:05] see you make significant inroads into
[6:07] this very important part of the
[6:08] Democratic vote?
[6:09] >> Well, first of all, I congratulate
[6:11] Reverend Jackson. He ran another good
[6:13] race tonight. He ran well. Um, and
[6:16] particularly in in the black community,
[6:18] he ran well. But I think I'm not
[6:21] exaggerating when I say that the black
[6:23] community also likes Walder Manddale.
[6:26] >> After the debate at Columbia University,
[6:28] you met at least briefly with Reverend
[6:29] Jackson. Can you tell us what you talked
[6:30] about?
[6:31] >> Yes. Uh I told him that I thought I'd
[6:33] done a very good job in that debate and
[6:36] then he told me he thought he'd done a
[6:37] good job. We shook hands and we agreed.
[6:40] >> Did he accept your offer of the vice
[6:41] presidency on a mandale ticket?
[6:43] >> Somehow they didn't come up.
[6:46] >> Let me talk about Jerry Hart. In your
[6:48] heart of hearts now, don't you think you
[6:49] have Carrie hard on the ropes?
[6:50] >> No, I think it's very even and I think
[6:53] it depends on where this debate goes. I
[6:55] think this is a good night tonight and I
[6:57] feel good about it because I've been
[6:58] able to finally get this debate on the
[7:01] question of who would be the best
[7:02] president for the reasons I've indicated
[7:04] earlier. But this debate now goes to
[7:07] Pennsylvania.
[7:08] >> You said once, and correct me if I'm
[7:10] wrong, that you believed it would go all
[7:11] the way to the convention. Do you still
[7:13] feel that way?
[7:13] >> Yeah, I think there's a good chance of
[7:14] it.
[7:15] >> Thank you, Mr. Vice President.
[7:16] >> Thank you.
[7:18] In Wisconsin tonight, no delegates at
[7:20] stake in the non-binding primary there,
[7:22] but still a very close beauty contest
[7:24] victory for Gary Hart by the
[7:26] percentages. With 67% of the vote in
[7:31] precincts reporting in Wisconsin, Gary
[7:33] Hart has won the Wisconsin beauty
[7:36] contest primary. He's now has about a 3
[7:39] percentage point lead over Walter
[7:40] Montdale. Jesse Jackson uh running well
[7:43] back in third place. Now, on the
[7:45] Republican side of the primary in
[7:47] Wisconsin, 69% of the precincts
[7:50] reporting, uh, should Ronald Reagan be
[7:51] renominated? Yes. 94%. Should Ronald
[7:54] Reagan be renominated? No. 6%. 78
[7:58] Wisconsin delegates to the Democratic
[8:00] convention will be at stake this
[8:01] Saturday. None tonight, but this next
[8:03] Saturday, 78 will be at stake in
[8:05] Wisconsin caucusing. Now, for tonight,
[8:07] it's the chalk full of delegates New
[8:09] York primary that may have Gary Hart
[8:11] feeling some political pain. Hart's
[8:13] thoughts on losing in New York in a
[8:15] moment.
[8:24] This portion of CBS News coverage of
[8:26] Campaign 84 is sponsored by Stress Tabs,
[8:29] the vitamin for people who burn the
[8:31] candle at both ends, and by City Corp
[8:34] Diners Club. When you mean business,
[8:41] >> when you burn the candle at both ends,
[8:43] there's a vitamin just for you. Advanced
[8:47] formula stress tabs with biotin, a
[8:50] vitamin not found in other stress
[8:51] formulas. A vitamin essential to help
[8:54] convert food to energy. When you burn
[8:58] the candle at both ends, support your
[9:00] diet with advanced formula stress tabs
[9:02] with biotin, the official stress formula
[9:05] vitamin of the 1984 Winter Olympics.
[9:09] When General Electric was choosing a
[9:11] charge card to issue to their
[9:12] executives, they needed one honored at
[9:14] hotels, restaurants, and airlines
[9:16] worldwide. One that gave their
[9:18] executives financial freedom with its
[9:20] flexible spending limit. One that's now
[9:22] backed by a financial leader, City Corp.
[9:25] The card they chose to plug into was the
[9:27] Diners Club card. So apply for one
[9:30] because the bright idea that works for
[9:32] the executives at GE will work for you.
[9:34] City Corp Diners Club when you mean
[9:37] business.
[9:40] >> Well, it didn't seem much bomb tonight
[9:42] for Gary Hart's distant second place
[9:44] finish in New York. And from his
[9:46] election night headquarters in the
[9:47] Roosevelt Hotel, the candidate looked at
[9:49] the weak reception given what was
[9:51] supposed to be a strong point. If there
[9:54] is any place in this country that stands
[9:56] for new ideas, new trends, receptiveness
[9:59] to fascia new ideas, it's New York. What
[10:02] happened? Where did Gary Hart go wrong
[10:04] in New York? Well, I'm not sure I went
[10:06] wrong, Mr. Rather. I I was up against
[10:08] the entire old garden political
[10:10] establishment in this state, the
[10:11] governor, the mayor, the senator, uh,
[10:14] labor leaders. If there is any state in
[10:16] the union where political establishment
[10:18] has an impact, it's in New York State.
[10:21] and uh we came into the state way behind
[10:23] and I think uh we have acquitted
[10:25] ourselves. Well,
[10:26] >> Walter Montdale has been attacking you
[10:28] and attacking you hard ever since New
[10:30] Hampshire. Now, he said tonight that he
[10:32] wasn't going to change tactics or change
[10:34] strategy that yes, he agreed it was
[10:35] working. He was going to continue it. Um
[10:38] how long can you stand up under that
[10:40] kind of pounding?
[10:41] >> Well, I've I can stand up for a long
[10:43] long time. Um I've been pounded before.
[10:47] I think that's not the issue. I think
[10:48] the issue is how long will the
[10:49] Democratic voters of this country put up
[10:51] with it if they think that uh a
[10:54] candidate will get the nomination of
[10:55] this party by running a negative
[10:56] campaign or more importantly have a
[10:58] chance to beat Ronald Reagan by running
[11:00] a negative campaign against another
[11:02] Democrat. Uh I would be mightily
[11:04] surprised. I don't think the majority of
[11:06] Democrats in this country are going to
[11:08] sustain that effort. I've won as many
[11:10] primary and caucus states as Walder
[11:12] Montdale. Uh we've essentially evenly
[11:14] divided the first half of this race. I
[11:16] intend to come on strong in the second
[11:18] half.
[11:19] >> You've already said and you've said
[11:20] several times you don't like to pinpoint
[11:21] anyone state, but you can't win the
[11:22] nomination without winning some states
[11:24] ahead. Where can you next win?
[11:26] >> States like Nebraska, Oregon,
[11:28] California, New York, I I'm sorry,
[11:30] Texas, and um a variety of other states
[11:33] of that sort are states that don't have
[11:36] uh the dominant effect of the political
[11:37] establishment that New York and Illinois
[11:39] do. And I think that by itself will give
[11:42] us a much better chance. and I will have
[11:44] I will have another four or six weeks to
[11:47] make my case and I intend to make that
[11:48] case very positively.
[11:50] >> Now, an effort to put in perspective
[11:51] today's win for Walter Manddale in New
[11:53] York with the overall race for
[11:55] delegates. At the Democrats nominating
[11:57] convention in San Francisco this summer,
[11:59] it will take 1967 delegate votes to win.
[12:03] Our CBS News estimate is that right now
[12:05] from all sources, including the results
[12:07] of today's New York primary, Walter
[12:09] Montdale has about 896 delegate votes.
[12:12] Gary Hart 528, Jesse Jackson
[12:16] 141.
[12:18] We'll have more about today's New York
[12:20] primary in a moment.
[12:31] >> Come drift into
[12:34] sail.
[12:39] >> Night voyages on spring air. Our back
[12:42] support mattress is a unique support
[12:44] system. Exclusive springs form a special
[12:47] health center that's a dream to sleep
[12:49] on.
[12:50] >> The most beautiful night
[12:54] are all spring.
[12:56] >> Night voyages on spring air. Sleep first
[12:59] class.
[13:02] >> Under this snow, there's more oil than
[13:03] in Saudi Arabia. 20 years ago, Sun
[13:06] Company developed a process to get oil
[13:08] from tar sands.
[13:10] Since then, a lot's developed around
[13:12] here. Jobs, a community, hockey teams.
[13:16] The energy is not just under the snow.
[13:18] It's everywhere, even on the ice. At
[13:22] Sun, we think that putting our energy
[13:23] back into a community is just as
[13:25] important as getting it out.
[13:31] >> Why American business trusts Emory.
[13:33] >> When my designs are late, buyers don't
[13:35] give us a second chance. Emry's
[13:37] international service goes doortodoor
[13:40] fast.
[13:41] >> Emmery delivers all our tapes to the
[13:43] networks cuz if they're not there, they
[13:44] don't get on air. And guess who pays for
[13:47] it. Sending hundreds of contracts across
[13:49] the country is a huge responsibility. We
[13:52] share that responsibility with Emory.
[13:54] Over 1 million customers trust Emory to
[13:56] deliver. Call Emory. We've earned the
[13:58] trust of American business.
[14:02] Recently, when some of America's top
[14:03] corporations were choosing a charge card
[14:05] for their executives, one card stood
[14:07] out. Corning Glass clearly saw the
[14:09] benefits of a card honored worldwide.
[14:12] United Technologies was very high on the
[14:14] financial freedom of its flexible
[14:15] spending limit. And because it's from
[14:17] City Corp, it appealed to the hard
[14:19] driving executives at Mac Trucks. Apply
[14:22] for a Diner Club card because what works
[14:24] for the executives at these corporations
[14:26] will work for you. City Corp Diners
[14:28] Club. when you mean business.
[14:32] >> Standing by tonight at the candidates
[14:33] ballrooms here in New York City are CBS
[14:35] News correspondents Eric Inberg and
[14:37] Susan Spencer. Eric, you're covering the
[14:39] Gary Hart campaign. I would think not
[14:42] just the fact that Gary Hart lost in New
[14:44] York, but the size of the loss would
[14:46] make joy there about as rare as say free
[14:48] money. Do they see anything encouraging
[14:50] about this
[14:51] >> Wisconsin? Dan, there's a lot of talk
[14:53] about Wisconsin here tonight, but of
[14:54] course among the political
[14:55] professionals, they know that the
[14:57] Wisconsin decision tonight didn't mean
[14:58] anything. No, there isn't much to be uh
[15:00] encouraged about. Not even some of the
[15:03] senators more bullied supporters are
[15:05] saying that there was anything good that
[15:06] happened to them in New York. Uh it has
[15:08] taught them a lesson, however, Dan, and
[15:10] that is that they realize that Manddale
[15:12] has been quite effective in the way he
[15:14] has attacked Hart over the last few
[15:16] weeks. In fact, there is an
[15:17] understanding here that Hart has really
[15:19] been on the defensive with this campaign
[15:20] since 4 days before the Illinois primary
[15:23] and he's got to get off the defensive.
[15:25] And the first way that he is going to
[15:26] try to accomplish that is he is simply
[15:28] going to stop responding to Manddale's
[15:30] criticisms and attacks and going to try
[15:31] to focus the attention on his own
[15:33] program.
[15:34] >> But uh Senator Hart told us tonight,
[15:36] Eric, that he is not going to start a
[15:38] negative campaign. He is not going to
[15:40] start attacking himself. Well, he's
[15:42] going to he is going to, I guess,
[15:44] pretend that Manddale's attacks don't
[15:46] exist. He is going to talk about his own
[15:48] themes, he says. And the way he put it
[15:51] to to us on the airplane coming back
[15:52] from Pennsylvania tonight was that he is
[15:54] going to see how long it takes Montdale
[15:56] to uh get more positive in his message.
[15:59] But they've really got to get they've
[16:00] got to get off the defensive and they
[16:02] understand that. Susan Spencer, how long
[16:04] is it going to take uh
[16:07] former Vice President Montdale to get
[16:09] off of the negative campaigning and the
[16:11] attacks? Or does he indeed plan to do it
[16:12] ever?
[16:13] >> Uh well, they don't exactly phrase it
[16:15] that way. Uh they they talk about
[16:17] presenting the contrast between Manddale
[16:19] and and Senator Hart. They're also
[16:22] convinced, I think, that the public
[16:23] likes a fighter and that the public
[16:25] didn't know maybe that that Manddale
[16:27] would react this way. Uh Montdale
[16:29] himself has said that people interpreted
[16:31] his failure to respond to everybody in
[16:34] the beginning as weakness and uh you
[16:36] know why fix what seems to be working. I
[16:38] I don't think that he will stop that at
[16:40] all. He leaves himself open to criticism
[16:42] that he goes too far at times. Uh but
[16:45] the evidence tonight doesn't convince
[16:47] anybody here that that that's done much
[16:49] damage.
[16:49] >> Susan, unfortunately have only a few
[16:51] seconds left, but doesn't this really
[16:52] put Mondo back in the front rudder
[16:53] status?
[16:54] >> Well, you heard what he said. The last
[16:56] thing anybody wants is that it's very
[16:57] hard to avoid and we all remember what
[16:59] happened to him the last time he had
[17:00] that tag. So, uh, so he will try, of
[17:03] course, to pretend like this is, uh,
[17:05] this is still very much a horse race.
[17:06] >> We may call him a front runner, but he
[17:08] won't. Thank you very much, Susan
[17:09] Spencer and Eric Inber. In a moment,
[17:11] we'll be talking with Jesse Jackson,
[17:12] whose vigorous performance today has
[17:14] given this big New York primary race
[17:16] another dimension of energy and meaning.
[17:32] Torture test after torture test, day and
[17:36] night. The wear and tear of five tough
[17:39] years in just 15 weeks at the General
[17:42] Motors proving grounds.
[17:43] >> All yours, Brenda.
[17:48] Even if you never put your GM car
[17:50] through anything like this, it's good to
[17:52] know we did. Nobody sweats the details
[17:56] like GM.
[17:59] The widely acclaimed TRS80 Model 100
[18:02] portable computer from Radio Shack is
[18:04] now on sale, $200 off. Its built-in
[18:07] programs help you organize and keep
[18:09] track of appointments and personal
[18:10] files. Do word processing, graphics, or
[18:13] send important information to your
[18:14] office, even after hours. It goes
[18:17] anywhere, including on your desk. $200
[18:21] off TRS80 model 100 on sale from 599 to
[18:24] $799. Only at RadioShack and Radio Shack
[18:27] computer centers.
[18:29] >> At Channel 5, we know how important a
[18:32] good education is to you and your child.
[18:34] That's why we take a little extra time
[18:36] to tell the education news that matters
[18:38] the most. That includes the good news
[18:40] about Scholastic Achievement and Great
[18:43] Moments. We're proud the Tennessee
[18:45] Education Association recently expressed
[18:47] confidence in our extra coverage by
[18:48] giving us a school bell award. When it
[18:51] comes to news about education, we're the
[18:53] friend you can turn to with confidence.
[18:55] Eyewitness News on Channel 5.
[19:00] >> Attend the Channel 5 Health Fair in your
[19:03] community. As chief of police, I'm proud
[19:05] that the Nashville Police Force has
[19:07] taken an active role in promoting good
[19:10] health. Our men and women are giving
[19:12] professional support to the Channel 5
[19:14] Health Fair site at Rivergate Mall on
[19:16] April 14th from 10:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m.
[19:19] I urge you to see that your family
[19:21] attends a Channel 5 health fair. The
[19:24] Channel 5 health fair at Rivergate Mall
[19:26] is April 14th, 10:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m.
[19:30] >> Voter turnout in today's New York
[19:31] primary was up sharply from 1980, but
[19:34] the turnout was up most of all in New
[19:36] York City's mostly black precincts,
[19:37] where in fact many voters were still
[19:40] lined up long after the polls were
[19:41] scheduled to close. The numbers tell it
[19:43] best. In mostly white precincts, turnout
[19:46] was up 25% over 1980s turnout. in mostly
[19:49] black precincts, a 100% increase, double
[19:53] 1980. Joining us now in New York City,
[19:56] Jesse Jackson, who despite his very
[19:57] strong showing in the urban most New
[19:59] York City tonight, is still searching
[20:01] for that elusive melting pot of gold at
[20:03] the end of his rainbow coalition. Uh,
[20:05] good evening, Reverend Jackson.
[20:07] >> Good evening.
[20:07] >> Looking good and congratulations on an
[20:09] impressive showing again.
[20:11] >> Thank you very much.
[20:12] >> An impressive showing especially among
[20:14] blacks. You know, reporters, they're
[20:15] going to ask some nagging questions such
[20:17] as, "You still haven't cracked as much
[20:19] as 10% among white voters, and New York
[20:21] was the place to do it. Why didn't it
[20:23] happen here?"
[20:24] >> Well, it's very difficult to say. We did
[20:26] get a substantial number of of Latino
[20:28] voters and a substantial number of Asian
[20:31] voters. Uh, so far the the white vote
[20:34] count is a bit elusive. I might add,
[20:36] however, that we're getting more white
[20:38] votes, particularly from peace activists
[20:39] and environmentalists and say Gary Hart
[20:41] is getting uh from black voters at this
[20:44] point. The rainbow is very difficult to
[20:46] organize because people have been
[20:47] separated for so long that I really feel
[20:49] that we're growing and we're going to
[20:51] get there.
[20:52] >> But you're pursuing the rainbow
[20:53] coalition increasingly in black
[20:55] communities, aren't you? Can you blame
[20:57] whites for not voting for you if you've
[20:59] virtually given up going after their
[21:01] votes?
[21:01] >> Well, that's not really true. We we
[21:03] continue to go to to the marketplace. We
[21:05] go to colleges and and the universities
[21:07] and the measure we go to where we are
[21:09] invited where we have an audience that
[21:11] will accept us. You know, historically,
[21:13] Dan, black voters are far more generous
[21:15] toward toward whites than whites are
[21:17] toward blacks. But I'm so impressed with
[21:19] the with the growth of this of this
[21:21] campaign. You know, we did not buy one
[21:23] newspaper ad or one TV commercial and
[21:26] yet our message was able to penetrate. I
[21:28] guess at this point, given how
[21:30] substantial our showing is, if we
[21:32] maintain the strength to move toward a
[21:35] substantial ability to cut this military
[21:37] budget and have an urban policy that can
[21:39] train our youth to end these slams and
[21:40] put America back to work, that's getting
[21:42] through. And the more successful the
[21:44] black vote is, the more the tracks of
[21:46] the voters for. If blacks vote in great
[21:48] numbers, it means progressive whites can
[21:50] win because they have new allies. It
[21:52] means Latinos can win. It means that
[21:54] women can win. And so this black vote is
[21:57] so overwhelming and traumatizing. Now,
[22:00] as the political opponents analyze it,
[22:02] it will track for us new allies and new
[22:04] associates.
[22:05] >> Reverend Jackson, again, congratulations
[22:07] on an impressive showing in New York.
[22:08] And thank you for being with us.
[22:10] >> Thank you very much.
[22:11] >> Now, let's take a look at where we have
[22:13] been thus far in the up and down primary
[22:17] and caucus campaign. The states won by
[22:20] Gary Hart in blue. Those won by Walter
[22:23] Montdale in red. Those uncommitted with
[22:26] the yellow. And where do we go from
[22:28] here? The next big barrier,
[22:31] Pennsylvania, April 10th, one week from
[22:33] today. 172 delegates at stake in
[22:37] Pennsylvania. Bob Schiffer looks ahead
[22:39] to what to expect in that state.
[22:43] >> Here, where Americanstyle democracy was
[22:46] invented, the prize is another big one.
[22:49] 172 delegates will be at stake when
[22:51] Pennians vote here next Tuesday. And in
[22:54] this state steeped in history, local
[22:56] politicians say the issues will be of
[22:58] the basic pocketbook variety. Jobs in
[23:00] the economy. They say issues such as the
[23:03] nuclear freeze, which cut deeply in some
[23:05] New England states, won't be much of a
[23:07] factor here. Not with the steel industry
[23:09] facing some of its roughest times ever,
[23:12] and unemployment here higher than the
[23:14] national average. Gary Hart's strongest
[23:16] support here as elsewhere is thought to
[23:18] be in the suburbs and the outlying
[23:20] areas. Blacks are a big part of
[23:22] Pennsylvania's Democratic vote, but
[23:24] doing as well among black voters here as
[23:26] he did in New York may be more difficult
[23:28] for Jesse Jackson since Philadelphia's
[23:31] popular black mayor Wilson Good is
[23:33] campaigning hard for Montdale.
[23:36] >> And Montdale is also counting heavily on
[23:38] union help to get out the vote.
[23:40] >> You were you going to vote for Montdale?
[23:42] >> Volatile political year. Few were making
[23:45] any predictions or taking anything for
[23:47] granted, no matter what political camp
[23:49] they belong to. But Philadelphia's mayor
[23:52] Good told us this afternoon that he
[23:54] believes Walter Montdale will win
[23:56] Pennsylvania by five percentage points
[23:58] at least and he said that before the
[24:00] results in New York were known. Dan,
[24:02] thank you. Bob, with us now to talk
[24:04] about what happened today in New York,
[24:06] my colleague and old friend Bill Moyers.
[24:08] Bill, sometimes one feels since these
[24:10] are primarily Democratic primaries that
[24:13] it runs about as out of place as an elk
[24:15] in a phone booth to start to raise
[24:16] Ronald Reagan's name. But given how hard
[24:19] Hart and Montdale have been going at one
[24:21] another, what about the hypothesis that
[24:23] Ronald Reagan is really the big winner?
[24:25] >> Well, if the president looks at the CBS
[24:27] New York Times poll, he has to be a
[24:29] little discouraged that only one in
[24:30] seven of the Democrats who voted today
[24:32] said they would vote for Reagan against
[24:34] Mandela Hart in November. and that's a
[24:37] lot fewer than said so in Illinois.
[24:39] However, if the president looks at
[24:41] history, he'll take comfort in a couple
[24:42] of small footnotes. First of all, no one
[24:45] has ever said that as New York goes, so
[24:47] goes the nation. In fact, in the last
[24:49] four presidential years, uh the
[24:52] Democrats who won the New York primary
[24:55] failed to win the White House in
[24:57] November. So, it's not this is not this
[24:59] is not a state that is prefiguring
[25:01] what's going to happen out there in
[25:03] November.
[25:03] >> That's a pretty astonishing fact, isn't
[25:05] it?
[25:05] >> It is. It is. You take McCarthy,
[25:06] McGovern, Kennedy, and um and and and
[25:10] Jackson has scooped Jackson all won the
[25:13] the primaries or the delegates from from
[25:15] New York over the last four presidential
[25:16] years. Three of them didn't even get the
[25:18] nomination. So New York is New York is
[25:21] old Democratic politics uh at its
[25:24] fullest. Coalition politics, ethnic
[25:25] politics, that's not the way the nation
[25:27] goes. Second, if this long protracted
[25:30] battle between Hart and Manddale
[25:32] continues,
[25:33] the winner will be campaigning in a Red
[25:35] Cross ambulance in November because
[25:37] they're walking wounded already. And if
[25:39] you remember, Dan, that in 1980, Kennedy
[25:42] and Carter fought bitterly and meanly
[25:45] and lost. The Democrats lost in
[25:47] November. In 1976,
[25:50] Ford and Reagan fought just as bitterly
[25:52] as Hart and Mandel have here and the
[25:55] Republicans lost in 76. It it's healthy
[25:57] for a party to have a good clean fight,
[26:00] but recent history says a dirty fight, a
[26:03] mean fight in which both men keep
[26:05] cutting each other down to the other's
[26:07] level doesn't bode well for the party in
[26:10] November. So, if Reagan looks at that
[26:11] kind of record, he says, "I didn't do
[26:14] too badly." One other thing, in a in a
[26:16] strange kind of way, the president's
[26:18] decision this week, his announcement
[26:21] that he would not he would veto a
[26:24] congressional resolution that moves the
[26:26] capital of Israel from Tel Aviv to
[26:30] Jerusalem,
[26:30] >> excuse me, to move the US embassy
[26:32] >> to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to
[26:34] to Jerusalem. his his statement that he
[26:35] would veto that made him look like he
[26:37] was above politics, playing the
[26:38] statesman, whereas Hart and Manddale
[26:40] here were both sort of grubbing around,
[26:42] if I can use that term, uh to tell the
[26:44] the Jewish vote, we'll we'll do it as
[26:47] soon as we get to the White House. The
[26:49] president may have emerged from this
[26:50] looking more presidential uh in contrast
[26:53] to two men trying to be president.
[26:55] >> Thank you, Bill. Still a long way to go
[26:57] until November.
[26:59] A final look now at a Montdale, New York
[27:02] victory that made applesauce of his
[27:04] opponents in the Big Apple State with
[27:06] 96% of the precincts reporting. The
[27:09] indication is not only has Mondale won,
[27:11] but that he has won with a margin of
[27:13] about 18% over Gary Hart. And indeed,
[27:16] Gary Hart has finished second statewide
[27:18] in New York, but by a breathtakingly
[27:20] close margin over Jesse Jackson,
[27:22] primarily thanks to Jesse Jackson's
[27:24] strong showing uh in New York City. Now,
[27:27] of New York's 252 delegates at stake
[27:29] today, our CBS News estimate is that
[27:31] Walter Monday will wind up getting about
[27:33] 133 of them. Uh Gary Hart will get about
[27:35] 72 and that Jackson will get about 47.
[27:40] How does that translate overall to the
[27:42] National Democratic nominating
[27:43] convention? 1967 needed to win from all
[27:46] sources, including today's New York
[27:48] vote. CBS News estimates that Montdale
[27:50] has 896, Hart 528, and Jesse Jackson
[27:53] overall from all sources now has about
[27:56] 141 delegate votes to the convention.
[27:59] And so tonight, a no doubt about it
[28:01] victory for Walter Manddale in the
[28:03] biggest of phase two, the snowbl
[28:05] primaries. A delegation prize second
[28:08] only to California's in June, second to
[28:10] none so far in campaign 84. A victory
[28:13] for Montdale, but not by any means final
[28:16] victory in a so far seessaw battle that
[28:18] continues week to week, head-to-head,
[28:21] heart to Montdale with Jackson, a strong
[28:23] third force. Next week, the next key to
[28:26] the nomination in the Keystone State,
[28:28] Pennsylvania. For CBS News, Dan Rather,
[28:31] election headquarters in New York. Good
[28:33] night.
[28:37] >> No, it's just my keys.
[28:41] >> Wait a minute. So, do you have the
[28:42] traveler's checks?
[28:43] >> No.
[28:43] >> No.
[28:44] >> I thought you had
[28:44] >> I got a new seal. I can't find it.
[28:46] >> It was your keys.
[28:46] >> Yeah. Frank, what's the problem?
[28:48] >> We've lost our travelers checks.
[28:49] >> You get a refund of your American
[28:51] Express machine down the hall.
[28:52] >> No, but they weren't American Express.
[28:54] >> No, they weren't. What time's your
[28:57] flight?
[28:58] >> You know, nobody but American Express
[29:00] can get refunds at Travelers Check
[29:02] machines in most major US airports.
[29:04] Don't leave home without them.
[29:06] >> Do you want to buy a phone? It's cheaper
[29:08] than AT&T. What you really need is cheap
[29:12] long distance.
[29:13] >> And of course, our business systems are
[29:16] cheaper than AT&T.
[29:19] >> You won't get anything this cheap from
[29:20] AT&T.
[29:22] >> Everyone's saying they're cheaper than
[29:24] AT&T,
[29:25] >> but nobody's saying they're better. All
[29:27] they can say is that they're cheaper.
[29:30] >> To which we say, you get what you pay
[29:32] for.
[29:38] This portion of CBS News coverage of
[29:40] Campaign 84 was sponsored by General
[29:42] Motors. Extra time, extra effort, and
[29:45] attention to every detail. GM is
[29:47] committed to excellence. And by AT&T,
[29:51] we're reaching out in new directions.
[30:15] This is CBS.
[30:18] >> Attention all Circuit City employees.
[30:20] The moment we've been working for is
[30:22] here. Your weight training will be put
[30:24] to the test