CBS News - New York primary - 1984-04-03

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[0:01] Tonight's CBS late movie Magnum,

[0:04] followed by Mloud, will begin

[0:05] immediately following a CBS News special

[0:08] report on today's primaries.

[0:28] CBS News coverage of campaign 84

[0:31] continues tonight. The New York primary.

[0:34] Reporting from CBS News election

[0:36] headquarters in New York. Here is Dan

[0:38] Rather.

[0:39] >> Good evening. Walter Montdale has won

[0:41] big. The day's big prize, the New York

[0:43] primary and most of New York's

[0:45] delegates. Gary Hart wins the solace of

[0:47] a consolation prize only, the no

[0:50] delegates Wisconsin Strictly Beauty

[0:52] Contest primary. But a Fritz Creek for

[0:54] Walter Montdale tonight in New York.

[0:57] >> In the words of a song, I know that if I

[1:02] can make it here, I can make it

[1:04] anywhere.

[1:06] >> Biggest primary trophy yet. Biggest

[1:09] overall except for California. Biggest

[1:11] of the frost belt state primaries.

[1:13] Spring and Water Manddale busting out

[1:15] all over in New York. And Montdale

[1:17] supporters celebrating their Broadway

[1:19] Melody Neon Lights victory here over

[1:21] Gary Hart and Jesse Jackson in a New

[1:23] York primary that sometimes sounded more

[1:26] like a New York City street fight. There

[1:28] were 252 delegates at stake in New York

[1:31] tonight. And the far and away front

[1:33] runner in this chalk full of delegates

[1:35] primary is Walter Montdale. Gary Hart

[1:37] indeed had a close fight for second

[1:40] place against Jesse Jackson. The Empire

[1:43] State, largest of the state primaries so

[1:46] far. The vote count has been rolling in

[1:49] for better than two hours now. And with

[1:51] 94% of the precincts in and reported,

[1:54] Walter Montdale has won on the order.

[1:57] His current totals show 4628

[2:00] 26 over Hart and Jackson. This is with

[2:02] 94% of the precincts reporting. And that

[2:04] gives you some indication of uh just how

[2:07] big Montdale's victory has been. With

[2:09] 252 delegates at stake, our CBS News

[2:12] estimate is that Montdale will wind up

[2:13] getting 133 of them. Gary Hart 72 and

[2:17] Jesse Jackson about 47. Those numbers

[2:20] may change, but we think they will

[2:22] change only slightly. By and large, all

[2:24] in all, this was Walter Montdale's night

[2:27] to shine. Upstate, downstate, city,

[2:30] suburban, urban, and urbane. Bruce

[2:33] Morton is here to analyze Montdale's big

[2:35] apple appeal and how Manddale put all

[2:38] the pieces together. Bruce, let's look

[2:39] them over.

[2:40] >> Dan, when you win, you win, of course.

[2:42] And when you win big, as Walter Montdale

[2:44] did tonight, you win with groups you've

[2:46] often lost in other states. So, if you

[2:48] look at the basic numbers, you see

[2:50] Montdale beating Gary Hart among voters

[2:52] aged 30 to 44, those young, upwardly

[2:55] mobile professionals who've been the

[2:56] core of the heart army elsewhere. But

[2:59] there may be an explanation. And the

[3:00] explanation is that Manddale, like

[3:02] Edward Kennedy four years ago, did very

[3:04] well with Jewish voters who were

[3:06] uniquely important to New York, maybe a

[3:08] quarter of the vote in a Democratic

[3:10] primary here. Manddale beat hard among

[3:12] Jews, better than 2 to1. Now look at the

[3:14] Yumpies, those young, upwardly mobile

[3:17] professionals, the 30 to 44 year old age

[3:19] group. Manddale wins big among Jews in

[3:21] this group. He's even with Hart among

[3:23] white, non-Jewish voters. College

[3:25] graduates, same thing. Manddale is the

[3:27] big winner with Jewish voters in that

[3:29] group. Hart wins narrowly among

[3:31] non-Jewish whites. So Manddale's success

[3:33] with the young professionals is linked

[3:35] to the fact that in New York a lot of

[3:36] those young professionals are Jewish.

[3:38] And it came despite Hart's fervent

[3:40] efforts to portray himself as Israel's

[3:42] friend. Jesse Jackson simply astounding

[3:45] support among blacks, including suburban

[3:47] blacks. 87% of the black voters in our

[3:50] exit poll, but little support among

[3:52] whites. No rainbow yet. Manddale also

[3:54] won among those voters who'd made up

[3:56] their minds in the last three days,

[3:58] which may confirm the general view that

[4:00] he did well in two recent televised

[4:02] debates. Nuclear weapons and worry about

[4:04] them was a major issue here. Bondale

[4:06] actually led heart among people worried

[4:08] about nuclear weapons. But again, his

[4:10] edge was with Jewish voters to whom that

[4:12] issue was important. What all this does

[4:14] is to raise some interesting questions

[4:16] about Pennsylvania, which votes next

[4:17] week. In some ways, it's a lot like New

[4:20] York, lots of old industry, for

[4:21] instance. But it is not like New York

[4:24] because the Jewish vote there is

[4:25] drastically smaller. Dan

[4:27] >> Bruce, uh, did Gary Hart carry any

[4:30] section of the demographics in this

[4:33] vote?

[4:34] >> Not really. If you if you leave out the

[4:36] Jews, he does well with some of the

[4:38] groups he's always done well with, but

[4:39] this is really an acrosstheboard Monday

[4:41] win.

[4:42] >> Thank you, Bruce. With his overwhelming

[4:43] victory tonight, Walter Mondo may have

[4:45] found the biggest boon in New York since

[4:47] the Dutch bought Manhattan. The primary

[4:49] results pointed to a bright new day in

[4:51] the Montdale campaign, but the former

[4:53] vice president indicated he's eager to

[4:55] avoid a troublesome old tag.

[4:57] >> The size of this win would indicate to

[4:59] me that you were again very clearly the

[5:01] front runner. Agree?

[5:02] >> No, I don't. I think we've had a very

[5:04] good day. Uh because I think we were

[5:07] able to get the debate on the question

[5:09] that matters. Who would make the best

[5:10] president? Where do we want to take this

[5:12] country? But this is only one day. I

[5:15] think this is a tough fight. We now go

[5:16] to Pennsylvania. My guess is we're

[5:19] probably dead even there and I'm going

[5:20] to start the same debate tomorrow

[5:22] morning in Pennsylvania.

[5:24] >> You don't plan a change of campaign

[5:25] strategy. You're not going to pull back.

[5:27] >> No, I'm going to, In other words, this

[5:29] is a tough campaign. I'm going to talk

[5:31] about where I want to take this country,

[5:33] why I think I'm ready to be that

[5:36] president, the key issues as I see them,

[5:39] of peace, of arms control, of a of a

[5:43] policy that'll restore America's

[5:45] competitive posture, uh, a strong new

[5:48] initiative for fairness and American

[5:49] life, and I will define the differences

[5:52] between myself and my opponents as we go

[5:55] down the road. another weak showing

[5:57] among blacks about 12% of the vote. Now

[6:02] you're talking about a quarter of the

[6:03] Democratic vote. When are we going to

[6:05] see you make significant inroads into

[6:07] this very important part of the

[6:08] Democratic vote?

[6:09] >> Well, first of all, I congratulate

[6:11] Reverend Jackson. He ran another good

[6:13] race tonight. He ran well. Um, and

[6:16] particularly in in the black community,

[6:18] he ran well. But I think I'm not

[6:21] exaggerating when I say that the black

[6:23] community also likes Walder Manddale.

[6:26] >> After the debate at Columbia University,

[6:28] you met at least briefly with Reverend

[6:29] Jackson. Can you tell us what you talked

[6:30] about?

[6:31] >> Yes. Uh I told him that I thought I'd

[6:33] done a very good job in that debate and

[6:36] then he told me he thought he'd done a

[6:37] good job. We shook hands and we agreed.

[6:40] >> Did he accept your offer of the vice

[6:41] presidency on a mandale ticket?

[6:43] >> Somehow they didn't come up.

[6:46] >> Let me talk about Jerry Hart. In your

[6:48] heart of hearts now, don't you think you

[6:49] have Carrie hard on the ropes?

[6:50] >> No, I think it's very even and I think

[6:53] it depends on where this debate goes. I

[6:55] think this is a good night tonight and I

[6:57] feel good about it because I've been

[6:58] able to finally get this debate on the

[7:01] question of who would be the best

[7:02] president for the reasons I've indicated

[7:04] earlier. But this debate now goes to

[7:07] Pennsylvania.

[7:08] >> You said once, and correct me if I'm

[7:10] wrong, that you believed it would go all

[7:11] the way to the convention. Do you still

[7:13] feel that way?

[7:13] >> Yeah, I think there's a good chance of

[7:14] it.

[7:15] >> Thank you, Mr. Vice President.

[7:16] >> Thank you.

[7:18] In Wisconsin tonight, no delegates at

[7:20] stake in the non-binding primary there,

[7:22] but still a very close beauty contest

[7:24] victory for Gary Hart by the

[7:26] percentages. With 67% of the vote in

[7:31] precincts reporting in Wisconsin, Gary

[7:33] Hart has won the Wisconsin beauty

[7:36] contest primary. He's now has about a 3

[7:39] percentage point lead over Walter

[7:40] Montdale. Jesse Jackson uh running well

[7:43] back in third place. Now, on the

[7:45] Republican side of the primary in

[7:47] Wisconsin, 69% of the precincts

[7:50] reporting, uh, should Ronald Reagan be

[7:51] renominated? Yes. 94%. Should Ronald

[7:54] Reagan be renominated? No. 6%. 78

[7:58] Wisconsin delegates to the Democratic

[8:00] convention will be at stake this

[8:01] Saturday. None tonight, but this next

[8:03] Saturday, 78 will be at stake in

[8:05] Wisconsin caucusing. Now, for tonight,

[8:07] it's the chalk full of delegates New

[8:09] York primary that may have Gary Hart

[8:11] feeling some political pain. Hart's

[8:13] thoughts on losing in New York in a

[8:15] moment.

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[9:40] >> Well, it didn't seem much bomb tonight

[9:42] for Gary Hart's distant second place

[9:44] finish in New York. And from his

[9:46] election night headquarters in the

[9:47] Roosevelt Hotel, the candidate looked at

[9:49] the weak reception given what was

[9:51] supposed to be a strong point. If there

[9:54] is any place in this country that stands

[9:56] for new ideas, new trends, receptiveness

[9:59] to fascia new ideas, it's New York. What

[10:02] happened? Where did Gary Hart go wrong

[10:04] in New York? Well, I'm not sure I went

[10:06] wrong, Mr. Rather. I I was up against

[10:08] the entire old garden political

[10:10] establishment in this state, the

[10:11] governor, the mayor, the senator, uh,

[10:14] labor leaders. If there is any state in

[10:16] the union where political establishment

[10:18] has an impact, it's in New York State.

[10:21] and uh we came into the state way behind

[10:23] and I think uh we have acquitted

[10:25] ourselves. Well,

[10:26] >> Walter Montdale has been attacking you

[10:28] and attacking you hard ever since New

[10:30] Hampshire. Now, he said tonight that he

[10:32] wasn't going to change tactics or change

[10:34] strategy that yes, he agreed it was

[10:35] working. He was going to continue it. Um

[10:38] how long can you stand up under that

[10:40] kind of pounding?

[10:41] >> Well, I've I can stand up for a long

[10:43] long time. Um I've been pounded before.

[10:47] I think that's not the issue. I think

[10:48] the issue is how long will the

[10:49] Democratic voters of this country put up

[10:51] with it if they think that uh a

[10:54] candidate will get the nomination of

[10:55] this party by running a negative

[10:56] campaign or more importantly have a

[10:58] chance to beat Ronald Reagan by running

[11:00] a negative campaign against another

[11:02] Democrat. Uh I would be mightily

[11:04] surprised. I don't think the majority of

[11:06] Democrats in this country are going to

[11:08] sustain that effort. I've won as many

[11:10] primary and caucus states as Walder

[11:12] Montdale. Uh we've essentially evenly

[11:14] divided the first half of this race. I

[11:16] intend to come on strong in the second

[11:18] half.

[11:19] >> You've already said and you've said

[11:20] several times you don't like to pinpoint

[11:21] anyone state, but you can't win the

[11:22] nomination without winning some states

[11:24] ahead. Where can you next win?

[11:26] >> States like Nebraska, Oregon,

[11:28] California, New York, I I'm sorry,

[11:30] Texas, and um a variety of other states

[11:33] of that sort are states that don't have

[11:36] uh the dominant effect of the political

[11:37] establishment that New York and Illinois

[11:39] do. And I think that by itself will give

[11:42] us a much better chance. and I will have

[11:44] I will have another four or six weeks to

[11:47] make my case and I intend to make that

[11:48] case very positively.

[11:50] >> Now, an effort to put in perspective

[11:51] today's win for Walter Manddale in New

[11:53] York with the overall race for

[11:55] delegates. At the Democrats nominating

[11:57] convention in San Francisco this summer,

[11:59] it will take 1967 delegate votes to win.

[12:03] Our CBS News estimate is that right now

[12:05] from all sources, including the results

[12:07] of today's New York primary, Walter

[12:09] Montdale has about 896 delegate votes.

[12:12] Gary Hart 528, Jesse Jackson

[12:16] 141.

[12:18] We'll have more about today's New York

[12:20] primary in a moment.

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[14:32] >> Standing by tonight at the candidates

[14:33] ballrooms here in New York City are CBS

[14:35] News correspondents Eric Inberg and

[14:37] Susan Spencer. Eric, you're covering the

[14:39] Gary Hart campaign. I would think not

[14:42] just the fact that Gary Hart lost in New

[14:44] York, but the size of the loss would

[14:46] make joy there about as rare as say free

[14:48] money. Do they see anything encouraging

[14:50] about this

[14:51] >> Wisconsin? Dan, there's a lot of talk

[14:53] about Wisconsin here tonight, but of

[14:54] course among the political

[14:55] professionals, they know that the

[14:57] Wisconsin decision tonight didn't mean

[14:58] anything. No, there isn't much to be uh

[15:00] encouraged about. Not even some of the

[15:03] senators more bullied supporters are

[15:05] saying that there was anything good that

[15:06] happened to them in New York. Uh it has

[15:08] taught them a lesson, however, Dan, and

[15:10] that is that they realize that Manddale

[15:12] has been quite effective in the way he

[15:14] has attacked Hart over the last few

[15:16] weeks. In fact, there is an

[15:17] understanding here that Hart has really

[15:19] been on the defensive with this campaign

[15:20] since 4 days before the Illinois primary

[15:23] and he's got to get off the defensive.

[15:25] And the first way that he is going to

[15:26] try to accomplish that is he is simply

[15:28] going to stop responding to Manddale's

[15:30] criticisms and attacks and going to try

[15:31] to focus the attention on his own

[15:33] program.

[15:34] >> But uh Senator Hart told us tonight,

[15:36] Eric, that he is not going to start a

[15:38] negative campaign. He is not going to

[15:40] start attacking himself. Well, he's

[15:42] going to he is going to, I guess,

[15:44] pretend that Manddale's attacks don't

[15:46] exist. He is going to talk about his own

[15:48] themes, he says. And the way he put it

[15:51] to to us on the airplane coming back

[15:52] from Pennsylvania tonight was that he is

[15:54] going to see how long it takes Montdale

[15:56] to uh get more positive in his message.

[15:59] But they've really got to get they've

[16:00] got to get off the defensive and they

[16:02] understand that. Susan Spencer, how long

[16:04] is it going to take uh

[16:07] former Vice President Montdale to get

[16:09] off of the negative campaigning and the

[16:11] attacks? Or does he indeed plan to do it

[16:12] ever?

[16:13] >> Uh well, they don't exactly phrase it

[16:15] that way. Uh they they talk about

[16:17] presenting the contrast between Manddale

[16:19] and and Senator Hart. They're also

[16:22] convinced, I think, that the public

[16:23] likes a fighter and that the public

[16:25] didn't know maybe that that Manddale

[16:27] would react this way. Uh Montdale

[16:29] himself has said that people interpreted

[16:31] his failure to respond to everybody in

[16:34] the beginning as weakness and uh you

[16:36] know why fix what seems to be working. I

[16:38] I don't think that he will stop that at

[16:40] all. He leaves himself open to criticism

[16:42] that he goes too far at times. Uh but

[16:45] the evidence tonight doesn't convince

[16:47] anybody here that that that's done much

[16:49] damage.

[16:49] >> Susan, unfortunately have only a few

[16:51] seconds left, but doesn't this really

[16:52] put Mondo back in the front rudder

[16:53] status?

[16:54] >> Well, you heard what he said. The last

[16:56] thing anybody wants is that it's very

[16:57] hard to avoid and we all remember what

[16:59] happened to him the last time he had

[17:00] that tag. So, uh, so he will try, of

[17:03] course, to pretend like this is, uh,

[17:05] this is still very much a horse race.

[17:06] >> We may call him a front runner, but he

[17:08] won't. Thank you very much, Susan

[17:09] Spencer and Eric Inber. In a moment,

[17:11] we'll be talking with Jesse Jackson,

[17:12] whose vigorous performance today has

[17:14] given this big New York primary race

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[19:30] >> Voter turnout in today's New York

[19:31] primary was up sharply from 1980, but

[19:34] the turnout was up most of all in New

[19:36] York City's mostly black precincts,

[19:37] where in fact many voters were still

[19:40] lined up long after the polls were

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[19:43] best. In mostly white precincts, turnout

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[19:53] 1980. Joining us now in New York City,

[19:56] Jesse Jackson, who despite his very

[19:57] strong showing in the urban most New

[19:59] York City tonight, is still searching

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[20:05] good evening, Reverend Jackson.

[20:07] >> Good evening.

[20:07] >> Looking good and congratulations on an

[20:09] impressive showing again.

[20:11] >> Thank you very much.

[20:12] >> An impressive showing especially among

[20:14] blacks. You know, reporters, they're

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[20:17] as, "You still haven't cracked as much

[20:19] as 10% among white voters, and New York

[20:21] was the place to do it. Why didn't it

[20:23] happen here?"

[20:24] >> Well, it's very difficult to say. We did

[20:26] get a substantial number of of Latino

[20:28] voters and a substantial number of Asian

[20:31] voters. Uh, so far the the white vote

[20:34] count is a bit elusive. I might add,

[20:36] however, that we're getting more white

[20:38] votes, particularly from peace activists

[20:39] and environmentalists and say Gary Hart

[20:41] is getting uh from black voters at this

[20:44] point. The rainbow is very difficult to

[20:46] organize because people have been

[20:47] separated for so long that I really feel

[20:49] that we're growing and we're going to

[20:51] get there.

[20:52] >> But you're pursuing the rainbow

[20:53] coalition increasingly in black

[20:55] communities, aren't you? Can you blame

[20:57] whites for not voting for you if you've

[20:59] virtually given up going after their

[21:01] votes?

[21:01] >> Well, that's not really true. We we

[21:03] continue to go to to the marketplace. We

[21:05] go to colleges and and the universities

[21:07] and the measure we go to where we are

[21:09] invited where we have an audience that

[21:11] will accept us. You know, historically,

[21:13] Dan, black voters are far more generous

[21:15] toward toward whites than whites are

[21:17] toward blacks. But I'm so impressed with

[21:19] the with the growth of this of this

[21:21] campaign. You know, we did not buy one

[21:23] newspaper ad or one TV commercial and

[21:26] yet our message was able to penetrate. I

[21:28] guess at this point, given how

[21:30] substantial our showing is, if we

[21:32] maintain the strength to move toward a

[21:35] substantial ability to cut this military

[21:37] budget and have an urban policy that can

[21:39] train our youth to end these slams and

[21:40] put America back to work, that's getting

[21:42] through. And the more successful the

[21:44] black vote is, the more the tracks of

[21:46] the voters for. If blacks vote in great

[21:48] numbers, it means progressive whites can

[21:50] win because they have new allies. It

[21:52] means Latinos can win. It means that

[21:54] women can win. And so this black vote is

[21:57] so overwhelming and traumatizing. Now,

[22:00] as the political opponents analyze it,

[22:02] it will track for us new allies and new

[22:04] associates.

[22:05] >> Reverend Jackson, again, congratulations

[22:07] on an impressive showing in New York.

[22:08] And thank you for being with us.

[22:10] >> Thank you very much.

[22:11] >> Now, let's take a look at where we have

[22:13] been thus far in the up and down primary

[22:17] and caucus campaign. The states won by

[22:20] Gary Hart in blue. Those won by Walter

[22:23] Montdale in red. Those uncommitted with

[22:26] the yellow. And where do we go from

[22:28] here? The next big barrier,

[22:31] Pennsylvania, April 10th, one week from

[22:33] today. 172 delegates at stake in

[22:37] Pennsylvania. Bob Schiffer looks ahead

[22:39] to what to expect in that state.

[22:43] >> Here, where Americanstyle democracy was

[22:46] invented, the prize is another big one.

[22:49] 172 delegates will be at stake when

[22:51] Pennians vote here next Tuesday. And in

[22:54] this state steeped in history, local

[22:56] politicians say the issues will be of

[22:58] the basic pocketbook variety. Jobs in

[23:00] the economy. They say issues such as the

[23:03] nuclear freeze, which cut deeply in some

[23:05] New England states, won't be much of a

[23:07] factor here. Not with the steel industry

[23:09] facing some of its roughest times ever,

[23:12] and unemployment here higher than the

[23:14] national average. Gary Hart's strongest

[23:16] support here as elsewhere is thought to

[23:18] be in the suburbs and the outlying

[23:20] areas. Blacks are a big part of

[23:22] Pennsylvania's Democratic vote, but

[23:24] doing as well among black voters here as

[23:26] he did in New York may be more difficult

[23:28] for Jesse Jackson since Philadelphia's

[23:31] popular black mayor Wilson Good is

[23:33] campaigning hard for Montdale.

[23:36] >> And Montdale is also counting heavily on

[23:38] union help to get out the vote.

[23:40] >> You were you going to vote for Montdale?

[23:42] >> Volatile political year. Few were making

[23:45] any predictions or taking anything for

[23:47] granted, no matter what political camp

[23:49] they belong to. But Philadelphia's mayor

[23:52] Good told us this afternoon that he

[23:54] believes Walter Montdale will win

[23:56] Pennsylvania by five percentage points

[23:58] at least and he said that before the

[24:00] results in New York were known. Dan,

[24:02] thank you. Bob, with us now to talk

[24:04] about what happened today in New York,

[24:06] my colleague and old friend Bill Moyers.

[24:08] Bill, sometimes one feels since these

[24:10] are primarily Democratic primaries that

[24:13] it runs about as out of place as an elk

[24:15] in a phone booth to start to raise

[24:16] Ronald Reagan's name. But given how hard

[24:19] Hart and Montdale have been going at one

[24:21] another, what about the hypothesis that

[24:23] Ronald Reagan is really the big winner?

[24:25] >> Well, if the president looks at the CBS

[24:27] New York Times poll, he has to be a

[24:29] little discouraged that only one in

[24:30] seven of the Democrats who voted today

[24:32] said they would vote for Reagan against

[24:34] Mandela Hart in November. and that's a

[24:37] lot fewer than said so in Illinois.

[24:39] However, if the president looks at

[24:41] history, he'll take comfort in a couple

[24:42] of small footnotes. First of all, no one

[24:45] has ever said that as New York goes, so

[24:47] goes the nation. In fact, in the last

[24:49] four presidential years, uh the

[24:52] Democrats who won the New York primary

[24:55] failed to win the White House in

[24:57] November. So, it's not this is not this

[24:59] is not a state that is prefiguring

[25:01] what's going to happen out there in

[25:03] November.

[25:03] >> That's a pretty astonishing fact, isn't

[25:05] it?

[25:05] >> It is. It is. You take McCarthy,

[25:06] McGovern, Kennedy, and um and and and

[25:10] Jackson has scooped Jackson all won the

[25:13] the primaries or the delegates from from

[25:15] New York over the last four presidential

[25:16] years. Three of them didn't even get the

[25:18] nomination. So New York is New York is

[25:21] old Democratic politics uh at its

[25:24] fullest. Coalition politics, ethnic

[25:25] politics, that's not the way the nation

[25:27] goes. Second, if this long protracted

[25:30] battle between Hart and Manddale

[25:32] continues,

[25:33] the winner will be campaigning in a Red

[25:35] Cross ambulance in November because

[25:37] they're walking wounded already. And if

[25:39] you remember, Dan, that in 1980, Kennedy

[25:42] and Carter fought bitterly and meanly

[25:45] and lost. The Democrats lost in

[25:47] November. In 1976,

[25:50] Ford and Reagan fought just as bitterly

[25:52] as Hart and Mandel have here and the

[25:55] Republicans lost in 76. It it's healthy

[25:57] for a party to have a good clean fight,

[26:00] but recent history says a dirty fight, a

[26:03] mean fight in which both men keep

[26:05] cutting each other down to the other's

[26:07] level doesn't bode well for the party in

[26:10] November. So, if Reagan looks at that

[26:11] kind of record, he says, "I didn't do

[26:14] too badly." One other thing, in a in a

[26:16] strange kind of way, the president's

[26:18] decision this week, his announcement

[26:21] that he would not he would veto a

[26:24] congressional resolution that moves the

[26:26] capital of Israel from Tel Aviv to

[26:30] Jerusalem,

[26:30] >> excuse me, to move the US embassy

[26:32] >> to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to

[26:34] to Jerusalem. his his statement that he

[26:35] would veto that made him look like he

[26:37] was above politics, playing the

[26:38] statesman, whereas Hart and Manddale

[26:40] here were both sort of grubbing around,

[26:42] if I can use that term, uh to tell the

[26:44] the Jewish vote, we'll we'll do it as

[26:47] soon as we get to the White House. The

[26:49] president may have emerged from this

[26:50] looking more presidential uh in contrast

[26:53] to two men trying to be president.

[26:55] >> Thank you, Bill. Still a long way to go

[26:57] until November.

[26:59] A final look now at a Montdale, New York

[27:02] victory that made applesauce of his

[27:04] opponents in the Big Apple State with

[27:06] 96% of the precincts reporting. The

[27:09] indication is not only has Mondale won,

[27:11] but that he has won with a margin of

[27:13] about 18% over Gary Hart. And indeed,

[27:16] Gary Hart has finished second statewide

[27:18] in New York, but by a breathtakingly

[27:20] close margin over Jesse Jackson,

[27:22] primarily thanks to Jesse Jackson's

[27:24] strong showing uh in New York City. Now,

[27:27] of New York's 252 delegates at stake

[27:29] today, our CBS News estimate is that

[27:31] Walter Monday will wind up getting about

[27:33] 133 of them. Uh Gary Hart will get about

[27:35] 72 and that Jackson will get about 47.

[27:40] How does that translate overall to the

[27:42] National Democratic nominating

[27:43] convention? 1967 needed to win from all

[27:46] sources, including today's New York

[27:48] vote. CBS News estimates that Montdale

[27:50] has 896, Hart 528, and Jesse Jackson

[27:53] overall from all sources now has about

[27:56] 141 delegate votes to the convention.

[27:59] And so tonight, a no doubt about it

[28:01] victory for Walter Manddale in the

[28:03] biggest of phase two, the snowbl

[28:05] primaries. A delegation prize second

[28:08] only to California's in June, second to

[28:10] none so far in campaign 84. A victory

[28:13] for Montdale, but not by any means final

[28:16] victory in a so far seessaw battle that

[28:18] continues week to week, head-to-head,

[28:21] heart to Montdale with Jackson, a strong

[28:23] third force. Next week, the next key to

[28:26] the nomination in the Keystone State,

[28:28] Pennsylvania. For CBS News, Dan Rather,

[28:31] election headquarters in New York. Good

[28:33] night.

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