CNN - Iraq War - 2003-03-20 - 1:08 a.m. (E)

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[0:00] What the US and UK military planners

[0:02] have been talking about is a concerted

[0:05] and heavy aerial bombardment uh bombs

[0:08] launched from planes and uh from sea

[0:10] base craft and then a ground offensive.

[0:13] What we also have heard is from uh those

[0:16] analysts who are looking at what might

[0:18] be going on and how a battle might

[0:20] unfold is even if there is very little

[0:22] resistance all the way up until Baghdad

[0:25] that Saddam Hussein may play the Baghdad

[0:27] card and may try to draw troops uh into

[0:31] either besieging Baghdad or draw them

[0:33] into fighting. He alluded a little uh to

[0:36] that in his speech talking about let

[0:38] them come and let them see what we will

[0:41] deliver. Wolf.

[0:42] >> All right, Cristian. Thanks very much.

[0:44] Ruam mean CNN's Rua mean is standing by

[0:46] in Aman Jordan getting initial reaction

[0:49] from a moderate Arab state, a state

[0:52] friendly with the United States, namely

[0:53] that of Jordan. Rua

[0:56] Wolf, the day here is just starting.

[0:58] It's about 8:00 a.m. in the morning.

[1:00] Kids are going to school and there's

[1:02] very little activity in the town of

[1:04] Rouat. However, 40 minutes away on the

[1:07] border between Jordan and Iraq, there

[1:09] are more activities there. Jordanian

[1:12] students, Jordanian families who were

[1:14] still in Iraq have been trying to leave.

[1:16] Uh they were leaving the border carrying

[1:18] their luggage and very few cars going

[1:20] into Iraq and also the Jordanian

[1:23] government and the UN agencies are

[1:25] trying their best to set up two refugee

[1:27] camps very close to that border.

[1:30] However, very strong wind here in here

[1:32] and the sandstorm has crippled their

[1:34] work. The Jordan government here is

[1:36] trying to prepare for this war on more

[1:38] than one front. On one hand, security

[1:41] has been beefed up around embassies here

[1:43] just in case there will be some kind of

[1:45] backlash as a result of this war. Jordan

[1:48] says there are hundreds of US troops

[1:50] here, but they are only here to defend

[1:52] Jordan and to protect it. And that is

[1:54] creating some kind of a controversial

[1:56] issue within Jordan because some

[1:57] opposition leaders and some of the

[1:59] public don't want to make sure and are

[2:01] calling on the government not to allow

[2:03] the US troops to use Jordan as a

[2:05] launching pad in case there is a war.

[2:07] Wolf

[2:09] Rua Amin in man Jordan. Thanks RULA very

[2:12] much. CNN's Art Harris is in northern

[2:14] Kuwait. He's embedded with US troops

[2:17] there. Art, tell us what you're seeing

[2:19] and what you're hearing where you are.

[2:22] >> Well, friend of the second Marines out

[2:23] of Camp, North Carolina here uh northern

[2:26] Kuwait near the Iraqi border. Their

[2:28] adrenaline is pumping. The coffee pots

[2:29] are packed. Uh and as one put it to me

[2:32] today, we're loaded for bear. uh their

[2:34] call sign of Charlie Company light

[2:36] armored reconnaissance unit is the

[2:39] gunfighters and they do just that in

[2:41] their light armored all-terrain vehicles

[2:43] armed with everything from anti-tank tow

[2:46] missiles uh the 25 mm cannon blast

[2:49] through buildings 762 machine guns and

[2:51] they've got mortars that can fire more

[2:53] than a mile wolf and rounds high

[2:55] explosive rounds they call shake and

[2:56] bake uh when one of the men learned that

[2:59] a cruise missile cruise missiles had

[3:01] been fired at Iraqi military targets he

[3:03] told me, quote, "Now I'm really

[3:05] motivated." Wolf,

[3:08] >> what about the morale as far as you can

[3:10] tell over there, Art, among those

[3:12] Marines in northern in northern Kuwait

[3:15] once that order is given to move into

[3:17] southern Iraq?

[3:19] >> Uh the morale is very high. They uh they

[3:22] say that this is in a way similar to

[3:25] training. Uh they have trained together

[3:27] uh in the desert in sandstorms and all

[3:29] sorts of conditions. uh and they say

[3:31] that it's like muscle memory uh they

[3:34] will do what they have to do uh and uh

[3:36] they feel very prepared. So uh there's

[3:39] also a sense that uh they're part of

[3:41] history and uh that uh if the president

[3:43] calls on them to carry out uh uh his

[3:46] policies that they will be down in the

[3:49] dirt and do whatever it takes uh uh to

[3:52] make it happen.

[3:55] CNN's Art Harris with the US Marines in

[3:57] northern Kuwait preparing to move into

[3:59] southern Iraq at some point. Art, thanks

[4:02] very much. CNN's Miles O'Brien is

[4:04] standing by at the CNN Center in

[4:06] Atlanta. He was telling us earlier when

[4:08] we briefly interrupted him about some of

[4:10] the hardware that's being used right now

[4:12] in this initial stage of the war. Miles,

[4:15] >> well, we're talking about the Tomahawk

[4:17] cruise missiles. According to the

[4:18] Pentagon, at least 40 of them were fired

[4:20] from ships in the Red Sea and in the

[4:23] Persian Gulf. Joining me to talk a

[4:25] little bit about the cruise missile,

[4:26] what it is used for, and uh how useful

[4:29] it is for the US military is Alec

[4:31] Fraser, retired captain of the United

[4:33] States Navy. Uh Alec, first let's get

[4:35] the lay of the land here using this map.

[4:37] You can point out where these cruisers

[4:39] were that would have fired off these uh

[4:41] uh cruise missiles and give people a

[4:43] sense of where they were headed. I think

[4:44] I'll draw on the map while you're doing

[4:46] that. Well, I think that you can see

[4:47] from the from the map that there are

[4:49] ships that can be in the Red Sea back

[4:51] over in the Persian Gulf. And there are

[4:52] also submarines that can fire these

[4:55] missiles. 40 missiles coming from one

[4:57] one destroyer, one cruiser is a is a

[5:00] large number of missiles to come from

[5:01] one ship. But they can come from two

[5:03] different locations approach uh Iraq

[5:05] from two different areas, two different

[5:06] quadrants, and it makes it a little bit

[5:08] more complicated uh as far as discerning

[5:10] where the where the attacks coming from

[5:12] and sort of surprising the people in

[5:13] that end. And the synchronicity of these

[5:15] taxes, what's very interesting. You

[5:16] could have 40 uh cruise missiles coming

[5:18] from all different locations. They can

[5:20] arrive at a specific location all at the

[5:23] same time if need be.

[5:24] >> Right. And that's done by a a an order

[5:26] that goes out from the theater commander

[5:28] that sort of coordinates both the air

[5:31] aircraft that are doing the attack and

[5:33] the missiles. So that in general the

[5:34] missiles will go in first, get people to

[5:36] turn off their radars or to lower their

[5:38] heads and then the aircraft go in. It's

[5:40] a finely tuned thing. It's very, it's

[5:42] timed down to the second and it's uh it

[5:44] works. Now,

[5:45] >> the defense department released a little

[5:46] bit of tape tonight. I wanted to take a

[5:47] look at this. This comes from the USS

[5:49] Cook, which was out here in the Red Sea.

[5:51] The USS Cook. This launching that we see

[5:54] here, obviously, Alec, you want to clear

[5:56] the decks when this happens. What we're

[5:57] talking about is a solid rocket motor.

[5:59] Eventually, as it breaks away, what

[6:01] kicks in is essentially a jet engine,

[6:03] >> right? the the the propel the the

[6:05] booster that gets it up into the air and

[6:06] then the turboan uh engine takes over

[6:08] and flies at it several hundred feet

[6:10] after that. And it's the fact that it's

[6:12] a turbo fan engine that's just running

[6:14] at a very low speed that will send it

[6:16] out to 700 1,000 mi long range.

[6:19] >> All right. And they fly fairly low. They

[6:21] fly about the speed of a commercial

[6:23] airliner in the neighborhood of 500 mph.

[6:25] Let's take a look at this animation to

[6:26] give you a sense of the flight of a

[6:28] cruise missile. Typical scenario here.

[6:30] There's your cruiser and there's your

[6:32] launch. And the trick here is to be

[6:35] something that cannot be easily seen by

[6:37] radar, cannot be detected by heat

[6:39] seeeking devices. And that's what the

[6:40] Tomahawk offers for $1.4 million per

[6:43] copy. Right.

[6:44] >> Right. But it's it's it can't be seen

[6:46] because it's so low and it can fly fly

[6:48] at a couple hundred feet. It can fly

[6:49] through valleys, fly uh down the rivers.

[6:52] It can do things that can't be detected

[6:54] by radar. And the the small engine is

[6:57] hard to detect by an infrared device

[6:59] that could be like a shoulder fired

[7:01] missile.

[7:01] >> Now, there was one other uh item in the

[7:03] arsenal that was used according to the

[7:05] Pentagon tonight, and that is the F-17

[7:07] uh stealth fighter, the Nighthawk as it

[7:10] is called. And I tell you what, before

[7:12] we do that, let's give you some

[7:13] particulars on the Tomahawk cruise

[7:14] missile, and then we'll move into the

[7:15] F-17. If we could just give you a a

[7:17] sense of what it's all about and uh the

[7:20] specifications on it. BGM 109 Tomahawk

[7:23] cruise missile. uh about a,000mi range.

[7:26] Uh terrain contour, uses GPS uh and

[7:31] launch from surface ships or submarines

[7:32] >> or submarines. And it has a warhead,

[7:34] a,000lb warhead which can be used like a

[7:36] bomb, but it also has a warhead with

[7:38] cluster bombs. And the cluster bombs can

[7:40] be used to destroy aircraft that are

[7:43] parked along a a runway or it can be

[7:45] used to to put a number of bombs down a

[7:48] section of a highway someplace if we

[7:50] knew someone was really traveling down

[7:51] that highway. All right, now let's move

[7:53] into the F-17. The Nighthawk is about

[7:55] the size of a uh F-15 single seat. Uh

[7:58] carries two uh guided uh bombs in it. Uh

[8:03] most likely the GBU27, which is kind of

[8:06] a mini bunker busters, a speed of about

[8:08] 650 mph, the range of about 700 mph. Of

[8:11] course, can be refueled midair, so it's

[8:13] not that important a number. Uh laserg

[8:16] guided weapons, the GBU27. Let's take a

[8:18] look at a scenario to give you a sense

[8:20] of how this operates. It's used early on

[8:22] along with the cruise missiles. The

[8:23] cruise missile used obviously because

[8:24] they don't put pilots in harm's way. But

[8:26] this is a uh a plane that is not easily

[8:29] seen by radar. These uh bombs that we're

[8:32] talking about, mini bunker busters with

[8:34] about a 500lb warhead on them designed

[8:37] with a time fuse so they penetrate

[8:39] concrete and then ideally if they're

[8:42] working as they're supposed to, they

[8:43] explode once they have made a

[8:45] penetration deep into a bunker. That's

[8:47] the theory. We don't know that that

[8:49] GBU27 was used, but that is typically uh

[8:51] what is on board an F-17 when you're

[8:54] talking about a guided precision uh

[8:56] weapon. And one thing to point out about

[8:57] these precision weapons in in the Gulf

[9:00] War one, about 10% of the weapons were

[9:03] precision or guided either by laser or

[9:05] by satellites. This time around, it's

[9:07] just the opposite. 10% are so-called

[9:09] dumb bombs, 90% precision. It's amazing

[9:12] how the weaponry has changed over the

[9:14] 12-ear period.

[9:15] >> It has. And back when I was in the Gulf

[9:16] in ' 91, we didn't have GPS to the

[9:19] extent that we have it today. GPS has

[9:21] changed the way we do warfare and and we

[9:24] can be much more precise, get the exact

[9:26] location of a target and put a bomb

[9:27] right there. Back in the Korean War, it

[9:29] would take hundreds of bombs just to

[9:30] destroy one bridge. Now you can do it

[9:32] with one.

[9:33] >> All right, having said all that, when

[9:34] you talk about 40 cruise missiles coming

[9:36] in, we've heard this talk about a

[9:38] decapitation effort here. Uh it's almost

[9:41] impossible for us to assess how much

[9:43] damage was done, but given the accuracy

[9:45] you have told us about uh we can sus we

[9:48] can probably summize that they hit a lot

[9:50] of these targets that they were after.

[9:52] >> Well, absolutely they hit the targets

[9:53] that the targets what what they were is

[9:55] what we don't know. They could have been

[9:56] in the no-fly zone radars. They could

[9:58] have been going after someone on a

[9:59] highway. What they were we don't know.

[10:01] But whatever it was they were aimed at

[10:03] they hit.

[10:04] >> All right. We can say that with fair

[10:05] fairly good certainty, I guess.

[10:06] >> Certainty.

[10:06] >> All right. Alec Fraser, retired captain,

[10:08] United States Navy. Thank you very much

[10:09] for walking us through all this. We

[10:11] appreciate it, Aaron.

[10:12] >> And that'll be one of the great and

[10:14] important questions of the next 24

[10:15] hours, I suppose. Not simply what they

[10:17] were trying to get, but who was there?

[10:19] If they were trying literally to to

[10:21] decapitate, a word that Jamie McIntyre

[10:24] used, an expression of uh comes out of

[10:26] the Pentagon. If they were trying to get

[10:28] some people, perhaps in the next 24

[10:30] hours, we'll know who they got. What we

[10:32] do know actually is who they didn't get.

[10:34] And the Iraqis have made a point of

[10:36] parading out government officials in the

[10:38] last 40 minutes or so to show that they

[10:41] are alive. Who we haven't seen, by the

[10:42] way, is Tariq Aziz, the deputy prime

[10:44] minister. Uh Nick Robertson, I'm curious

[10:46] as you've listened to this as someone

[10:48] who has been in Baghdad a long time now,

[10:51] many, many weeks. Um you undoubtedly

[10:55] heard emphasis that we might have missed

[10:57] all of us. um just react to what the

[11:00] last 40 minutes in Baghdad has been like

[11:02] on TV and in the streets.

[11:05] >> Well, I think listening to uh Minister

[11:07] Alah, it's what we've heard on a number

[11:09] of occasions from him and as it's come

[11:12] drawn closer to this conflict, all

[11:14] government ministers here who've talked

[11:16] on the issue, whether it be the foreign

[11:18] minister, the deputy prime minister, the

[11:20] information minister, all try to point

[11:23] to the illegality of this aggression.

[11:25] And that's I think in part what Minister

[11:29] Alsah was trying to do um when talking

[11:32] about the aggression of America. There

[11:34] is one thing here that officials in Iraq

[11:37] seem to take some satisfaction in if you

[11:40] will. While they know that there's

[11:42] nothing they can do at this time or

[11:44] nothing they are prepared to do at this

[11:45] time to head off a war. They continually

[11:48] point out that this lacks international

[11:51] support, that it lacks the support of

[11:53] the UN Security Council, very much

[11:55] listening to uh Minister Sah this

[11:58] morning on the same track saying that

[12:00] and also pointing out the the culture

[12:03] minister pointing out that Iraq does not

[12:05] have weapons of mass destruction, that

[12:06] the theme that the international drive

[12:09] has changed from weapons of mass

[12:12] destruction to regime change. trying to

[12:14] point out again to the international

[12:16] community something that they will

[12:18] likely try and build on in the coming

[12:20] days and weeks, Aaron, as Iraq tries to

[12:22] put its cause to the international

[12:24] community to try and bring international

[12:27] voices to bear against the United States

[12:29] and against Great Britain as they have

[12:31] tried to do in the weeks and months

[12:33] leading up to the war. play to uh

[12:35] France, play to Russia, play to China,

[12:38] point out that the United States does

[12:40] not have a broad support internationally

[12:43] at this time. It is likely a theme we'll

[12:45] hear a lot more of. Aaron,

[12:47] >> just Nick, very, very briefly, does it

[12:49] surprise you we have not seen Tariq Ziz?

[12:51] He's someone we are all used to seeing

[12:54] in these moments.

[12:57] >> At this time, no. He appeared late in

[12:59] the day yesterday. It would seem they

[13:01] fully expect this to be a long ongoing

[13:04] situation. It would not a surprise at

[13:07] this time.

[13:07] >> Okay. It's just someone who is so

[13:09] familiar, thank you, Nick, to uh uh I

[13:12] guess people around the world who uh not

[13:15] just from this period but from the first

[13:17] Gulf War as well, the deputy prime

[13:18] minister who runs foreign affairs pretty

[13:20] much, Tariq Aiz. Uh we haven't seen him

[13:23] yet and that may or may not mean

[13:24] anything. Um I guess that's another

[13:26] question we'll answer in this day ahead.

[13:28] Cristian Erin,

[13:32] just a quick correction from my part.

[13:33] When I was describing the two ministers

[13:35] who were talking, I said one of them was

[13:37] the president of the Iraqi National

[13:39] Assembly. In fact, the second minister

[13:41] there was the culture minister. We're

[13:43] going to go now to CNN's Becky Diamond,

[13:45] who is in one on one of those warships

[13:47] in the Persian Gulf, which launched some

[13:49] of those cruise missiles earlier this

[13:52] morning. Our time, evening, your time.

[13:54] Becky,

[13:56] >> I definitely like the water and the

[14:04] Becky, can you hear me there?

[14:07] >> Well, this morning, yes, I'm on the USS

[14:10] Mill. We're in the northern Persian Gulf

[14:12] and about 502 local time. That's 9:02

[14:15] Eastern time. This ship launched eight

[14:17] Tomahawk missiles. Now, one didn't quite

[14:19] make it and it sweeped or fell not too

[14:21] far from me in the Persian Gulf, but

[14:23] seven made it and it was quite a sight.

[14:25] were on the flight deck and the mood was

[14:27] somber, but there was a sense of relief

[14:30] here on the ship that that we that the

[14:32] ship has gotten started. Back to you,

[14:43] Becky. Thank you very much indeed. It's

[14:45] a little hard to hear everything, but

[14:47] clearly Becky was saying that uh some of

[14:49] those Tomahawk cruise missiles had been

[14:51] launched from uh where she was in the

[14:53] Persian Gulf. We're going to go back to

[14:56] Aaron.

[14:57] >> Thank you. I that's the first time um

[14:59] that I think we've seen that particular

[15:02] uh set of pictures. Um and they are you

[15:05] see these missiles being fired and they

[15:07] are they it is chilling to see. They are

[15:10] I mean we all know the power of them and

[15:13] we all understand the significance of

[15:16] what we are watching. Uh but each time

[15:18] you see it or at least time we see it um

[15:23] we find it chilling and striking. Uh it

[15:25] is the sign that this war uh is on even

[15:29] as it started in a way we none of us

[15:31] honestly we don't kid you about this. We

[15:33] none of us anticipated it would start in

[15:36] quite the way it has started tonight. Uh

[15:38] we expected it to start and in in many

[15:40] ways were assured it would start in a

[15:42] huge manner. But obviously something

[15:46] happened. Somebody saw something. A

[15:49] satellite caught a glimpse of something.

[15:51] Human intelligence on the ground became

[15:53] aware of something. And there was a

[15:55] reason then to start in this limited

[15:59] way, if you will. Uh the opening that

[16:02] the president described some hours ago.

[16:05] Now, uh, Chris Burns is, uh, covers the

[16:08] White House, is part of the team of CNN

[16:10] correspondents that covers the White

[16:12] House, and he's taken the duty across

[16:14] the street from the White House.

[16:16] Uh, Chris, did you get any sense uh, in

[16:20] your reporting today? Obviously, it's

[16:22] been very tense at the White House for

[16:24] the last couple of days. Any sense that

[16:26] today or tonight was the night? Well,

[16:29] it's interesting you say that nobody

[16:31] expected this to happen quite this way.

[16:32] And perhaps even President Bush didn't

[16:34] expect it to happen this way. He was in

[16:36] the middle of a second war planning

[16:39] session. This had been happening since

[16:41] the beginning of the week, an afternoon

[16:43] session. And in the middle of that

[16:45] session, he got some information from

[16:46] the CIA and other agencies telling him

[16:48] there was, in the words of senior

[16:50] administration officials, a major

[16:52] leadership target. Exactly who that is,

[16:55] they're not saying. Exactly where it

[16:57] was, they're not saying. But this given

[16:59] to him as a an opportunity that should

[17:01] not be missed and that is why the

[17:03] president decided in the middle of that

[17:05] meeting to go ahead and give the go

[17:07] ahead to launch more than 40 cruise

[17:09] missiles against that major leadership

[17:11] target. Uh the president uh also in his

[17:15] speech. Uh interesting that he addressed

[17:17] the aspect of human shields and civilian

[17:20] casualties attacking early uh the uh

[17:24] regime uh in Baghdad saying that they

[17:26] will be using civilians as human

[17:28] shields. They will be sending their

[17:30] forces, their military into civilian

[17:32] areas in as to defend themselves and to

[17:35] attack US-led forces going in. Here's

[17:39] what President Bush had to say.

[17:42] In this conflict, America faces an enemy

[17:45] who has no regard for conventions of war

[17:48] or rules of morality.

[17:50] Saddam Hussein has placed Iraqi troops

[17:52] and equipment in civilian areas,

[17:55] attempting to use innocent men, women,

[17:57] and children as shields for his own

[18:00] military. A final atrocity against his

[18:03] people.

[18:06] And the president also justifying aiming

[18:08] to justify the uh offensive that has

[18:10] been launched saying that armies of

[18:13] firefighters and policemen could be

[18:15] involved in addressing uh terrorist

[18:17] attacks. That is why the United States

[18:20] has to act now. Erin Chris, thank you.

[18:22] Um, as we have as we have talked and we

[18:25] have talked certainly for the last

[18:27] couple of weeks a good deal about how uh

[18:29] milit military planner sourcing at the

[18:31] Pentagon have uh described to us how we

[18:34] expected to see this war begin. On the

[18:37] Iraqi side, there's a lot of speculation

[18:38] about how the Iraqis would fight the

[18:40] war. There's also been speculation, of

[18:42] course, whether the Iraqis would fight

[18:44] the war, whether they would lay down

[18:45] their guns, whether they surrender

[18:47] quickly at this shock and awe strategy.

[18:50] But the the tactic that concerns

[18:55] planners the most is that they would the

[18:58] Iraqis would bring all of their forces

[19:00] or their best forces, the Special

[19:02] Republican Guard and the Republican

[19:04] Guard, that they would bring them into

[19:06] Baghdad or around Baghdad and they would

[19:08] make their stand in Baghdad. Baghdad's

[19:11] about 350 mi from the Kuwaiti border.

[19:13] That's a long supply line for the

[19:15] Americans to maintain. It's not an easy

[19:17] thing to do. And then you get to Baghdad

[19:20] itself and you go through the worst and

[19:22] most difficult kind of combat,

[19:25] house-to-house urban combat. And in that

[19:27] situation, all these sophisticated

[19:29] bombs, all these uh satellites and this

[19:32] and that don't help you. It's man-on-man

[19:35] literally. And that is where the

[19:37] casualties can occur and undoubtedly

[19:40] would occur if it would come to that.

[19:42] And in fact, there are calculations

[19:44] about how many casualties. I'm never

[19:46] I've never quite understood how they

[19:48] figure these sorts of things out, but

[19:50] there are calculations about the kind of

[19:52] losses that forces would take

[19:55] if it comes down to that sort of urban

[19:58] fighting. Nick Robertson. Um, I can't

[20:01] imagine sitting where you are this

[20:04] morning knowing that it is very possible

[20:07] and indeed in some respects likely that

[20:10] this thing will end in the battle a

[20:12] street battle in Baghdad.

[20:16] >> Indeed. and and what many people tell us

[20:18] here and this is clearly something that

[20:20] the government appeals to trying even if

[20:23] it cannot appeal to people to support it

[20:26] because it is the government and

[20:27] President Saddam Hussein is a leader to

[20:30] fight because the country is being

[20:32] invaded. That very simple notion that

[20:35] Iraq is a nation and that the people of

[20:37] this nation should defend themselves

[20:39] from attackers regardless of who is the

[20:42] head of the nation. And that is

[20:43] something we've been hearing in speeches

[20:45] and it is something we hear from people

[20:47] when we talk to them privately away from

[20:50] cameras where they will say perhaps we

[20:52] don't want this leader. Perhaps we could

[20:54] have another leader but our country is

[20:57] being invaded. It is our duty to defend

[20:59] the country. People here we've talked to

[21:02] talk about defending their homes and

[21:04] their houses. The pictures we see on

[21:06] television in the evening has been of

[21:08] urban training for urban warfare. It is

[21:11] difficult to know however how much of a

[21:14] heart people will put into that fight

[21:16] what exactly uh forces coalition forces

[21:20] will find in terms of resistance when

[21:22] they arrive in Baghdad. We do not see

[21:25] and we are not shown here large

[21:27] dispositions of forces in and around

[21:29] Baghdad. Certainly they are there.

[21:32] Certainly there are many military

[21:33] barracks. Certainly there are other

[21:35] locations that the uh military does use

[21:37] to live in inside this city. When I was

[21:40] south of Baghdad a few days ago, it was

[21:42] clear that some defensive installations

[21:45] are being made along the road to

[21:46] Baghdad. Indeed, some areas appear

[21:48] appeared to be being prepared for

[21:51] battles ahead. Aaron,

[21:54] >> Nick, it is uh

[21:57] I suppose how the Iraqis respond, how

[21:59] the Iraqi military responds, how the

[22:01] citizens, the 5 million or so citizens

[22:04] of Baghdad respond if this becomes a

[22:06] fight for Baghdad uh depends a fair

[22:09] amount on what precedes the fight for

[22:10] Baghdad. how much uh damage is

[22:13] inflicted, how much uh intimidation is

[22:17] carried out by the American forces when

[22:19] they ultimately do launch the largecale

[22:21] attack which is still to come. Um it

[22:26] Nick, I haven't said this and I probably

[22:27] won't say it again, but we all think it

[22:29] stay safe out there. Okay, Nick

[22:31] Robertson who's in Baghdad and uh we

[22:33] don't truth we don't make a big deal

[22:36] about uh reporters in these sorts of

[22:39] situations because it's something they

[22:40] choose to do. It's what we do and we

[22:42] choose to do it, but we worry about them

[22:44] uh on nights like this a lot. Uh Wol,

[22:48] you have had some time to think about

[22:50] and talk to people a bit about this this

[22:52] this the Saddam TV address and whether

[22:56] we need to put Saddam in quotes or not,

[22:58] whether there was Saddam or not. I

[23:00] thought it interesting though the point

[23:01] that someone made a bit ago that it is

[23:04] difficult, it's one thing to look like

[23:06] somebody, it's another thing to really

[23:07] sound like somebody.

[23:09] And there's no doubt that Saddam Hussein

[23:11] has a very precise voice, very

[23:13] recognizable in Arabic. So there's

[23:16] little doubt. I think there's virtually

[23:17] no doubt whether or not that was in fact

[23:19] Saddam Hussein. Here's where the doubt

[23:21] is. He did say March 20th, 2003 in this

[23:25] part of the world. It is now March 20th,

[23:27] 2003 when those Tomahawk cruise missiles

[23:30] landed in Baghdad. It was already March

[23:32] 20th, 2003. The question I think that's

[23:35] a fair question that deserves to be

[23:36] answered is whether or not this

[23:38] videotape of Saddam Hussein speaking out

[23:41] against what he called the criminal

[23:42] Junior Bush was taped after the cruise

[23:46] missiles landed or before the cruise

[23:49] missiles landed. a significant question

[23:50] that we don't have the answer to, but

[23:53] it's certainly one that will uh that

[23:55] intelligence officials around the world

[23:57] will be pondering to see if that US

[24:00] strike the the decapitation strike as

[24:02] they call it going after presumably

[24:04] Saddam Hussein Hussein personally was

[24:07] successful or unsuccessful based on the

[24:09] videotape alone. Aaron, I don't think we

[24:12] can reach that conclusion because that

[24:14] tape could have been prepared before the

[24:16] strike with the date in it only to be

[24:19] released after those first cruise

[24:21] missiles hit Baghdad. So, there's still

[24:23] a little bit of a question when that

[24:25] tape was made.

[24:26] >> And I and I don't think either of us

[24:28] want to put too fine a point on this,

[24:30] but was there because I think the

[24:31] chances are it is Saddam Hussein. Um,

[24:34] but was there, as you think through the

[24:37] speech, other than the date, do you

[24:40] recall him saying anything in that

[24:42] speech that suggested

[24:45] what the attack was? That they had tried

[24:47] to get the leadership and failed

[24:49] tonight? Anything specific enough to say

[24:54] it had to be tonight?

[24:57] There was no other specific reference, a

[24:59] date reference or a specific reference

[25:01] to what exactly happened that would

[25:04] indicate that. That's why I I I'm

[25:06] suggesting the possibility, we don't

[25:07] know this for sure, the possibility that

[25:09] that was a pre-recorded videotape to be

[25:12] released after the first bombs fell in

[25:15] Baghdad in order to reassure the Iraqi

[25:18] population, the Arab world if you will,

[25:20] that Saddam Hussein is in fact alive. I

[25:22] don't think we can reach that conclusion

[25:24] on that tape per se because there was no

[25:26] other specific reference to precisely

[25:29] what happened other than the date March

[25:31] 20th that was released. I don't think

[25:32] there's any doubt it was Saddam Hussein.

[25:34] We don't know when that tape was made.

[25:36] >> Just before you throw it uh anywhere,

[25:38] just one other thing about the speech

[25:40] that I I thought about as I watched it

[25:42] and now looking at the tape again. Um

[25:44] and this may or may it may or may not

[25:46] mean a single thing. It is. He's reading

[25:49] off what almost looks to me like a

[25:50] stenopad, a notepad. And it all does

[25:55] look okay. It It may not be, but it all

[25:58] does look very quickly put together. Uh

[26:01] and again, that may or may not mean

[26:03] anything. It's just one of those things

[26:05] we noted while we were watching it. Uh

[26:07] it did not have the look of a very

[26:09] sophisticated prepared speech, uh which

[26:11] might have been recorded some other time

[26:13] to be played after the first bomb hit.

[26:16] Just a thought, Wolf.

[26:17] >> You're abs you're you're absolutely

[26:19] right, Erin. And there's no doubt that

[26:20] he was reading from various notebooks.

[26:22] If you to if you took a careful look, he

[26:24] would bring up various pieces of paper

[26:26] as if the speech had been written in

[26:28] different different parts. Cristiano

[26:30] Murus here with me in Kuwait, and she's

[26:32] been reflecting on what we've seen over

[26:34] the past few hours as well.

[26:37] >> Yes. Well, I leave it up to you to

[26:39] basically we've said all we can, I

[26:40] think, about this. And you're absolutely

[26:42] right. There were various notebooks. It

[26:43] looked like it was handwritten. and he

[26:45] kept flipping his pages. Um, of course,

[26:47] we're not just talking about all the US

[26:49] and UK forces arrayed against Saddam

[26:51] Hussein here in Kuwait, but over there

[26:54] in the northern uh Iraqi area where the

[26:57] US had hoped to open a second front up

[27:00] there, uh there is potential military

[27:02] activity by Kurdish forces up there. And

[27:05] that's where we find CNN's Jane Araf

[27:07] who's coming to us via video phone from

[27:09] Dohook.

[27:13] Christian, we're about halfway here in

[27:15] Dohook between the Turkish border and

[27:18] between the city of Mosul, second

[27:20] biggest city in Baghdad. And there are

[27:22] Kurdish forces ranged behind us on the

[27:24] mountaintop that looks towards Mosul.

[27:27] Now, we were on that mountain last

[27:28] night, a lookout point for Kurdish

[27:30] forces. And it's known that it's a

[27:32] lookout point as well for select

[27:34] American forces operating in this

[27:36] region. Now, Peshmerga soldiers, the

[27:39] Kurdish soldiers were telling us that

[27:41] they had been seeing unidentified trucks

[27:43] driving without their lights on back and

[27:46] forth toward the line of Iraqi control

[27:48] last night. Those are believed to be

[27:50] military trucks. It seems all quiet this

[27:52] morning, but they are certainly on watch

[27:54] here along the border as they are along

[27:57] the Turkish border. Now, one of the

[27:58] concerns has been that Turkish troops

[28:00] would come in and instead of a second

[28:02] front of American soldiers here to fight

[28:04] the Iraqis, there would be fighting

[28:06] breaking out between Turkish and Kurdish

[28:08] forces. Now, that seems to have been

[28:09] diffused, but there are still tens of

[28:12] thousands of Kurdish forces they say are

[28:14] ready to fight Turkish soldiers if they

[28:17] do come in too far. Christ

[28:21] >> Jane, I want to ask you a question on

[28:23] the issue of Saddam Hussein. You have

[28:24] been our bureau chief in Baghdad for

[28:26] many years and observed him at least uh

[28:29] on television. Did you hear his speech

[28:32] and are you able to recognize the Arabic

[28:35] and whether you believe it was him or

[28:37] not given what you've heard over the

[28:39] years?

[28:43] That's always been a question as you

[28:44] know Christian whether it really is him.

[28:46] There's no indication that it wasn't.

[28:49] Now, it may very well have been

[28:51] pre-taped, but if it was pre-taped in an

[28:53] effort to assure the Iraqi population,

[28:56] that's one thing we all know as well,

[28:57] that the Iraqi population is not so

[28:59] easily reassured. And there is always a

[29:02] a skepticism among Iraqis whether they

[29:05] are actually seeing their real

[29:06] president. Again, no indication that

[29:09] that wasn't the real thing, but there

[29:11] always is that element of doubt. And

[29:12] certainly there's the element of doubt

[29:14] in the mind of the Iraqi people as well.

[29:17] Having grown up in that system, they all

[29:19] maintain a healthy skepticism about what

[29:22] they're seeing and what they're hearing

[29:23] as you know from their leaders.

[29:25] Christian

[29:27] >> Jane Raf, thank you very much there in

[29:29] northern Iraq. And we're going back to

[29:31] Aaron in Atlanta.

[29:32] >> Thank you. Cristian, you made a great

[29:33] point. Jane has been um our Baghdad

[29:36] bureau chief for a long time. It's tough

[29:38] duty and she is u she has done terrific

[29:41] work. We've we've gotten to see I think

[29:44] all of us on this at war. Believe me,

[29:45] it's not a television program and none

[29:47] of us here think of it this way, but

[29:49] we've all wondered how in as we've

[29:52] prepared for this uh how some of these

[29:54] systems that have been in place, the

[29:56] embedding system uh was going to work

[29:58] when it actually uh when the bell rang

[30:00] and the bell rang tonight and we had a

[30:02] pretty good sense of how it works. We're

[30:04] able to go to some remarkable places um

[30:08] and mostly we're able to see it pretty

[30:10] well. Becky Diamond is uh on board the

[30:12] USS Millius. Uh and while sometimes

[30:15] these pictures get a little ragged, uh

[30:17] we work with them because it's

[30:19] extraordinary to be able to get to them

[30:21] at all. Becky.

[30:25] >> Well, Aaron, I am standing on the USS

[30:27] Villas destroyer in the north northern

[30:29] Persian Gulf, thousands of miles from

[30:31] where you are on a video phone. This

[30:33] morning about 9:02 Eastern time, 50:02

[30:37] local time. This ship launched eight

[30:39] Tomahawk missiles. One didn't make it

[30:41] too far. It booster fell not too far

[30:43] from me in the water right beside me,

[30:46] but seven others launched successfully,

[30:48] reaching targets, which of course we

[30:49] don't know. Now, the ship has an unknown

[30:52] number of Tomahawk missiles. Does have

[30:53] more. The ship is waiting for its

[30:55] orders, and we'll have to see what's

[30:57] next. Aaron,

[30:59] >> just give me this is one of those

[31:01] television questions and I actually

[31:02] apologize. Just give me a sense of the

[31:04] mood there tonight or this morning. Is

[31:07] there a sense of excitement? Is there a

[31:08] sense of anxiety? What do you what do

[31:10] you pick up when you talk to the men and

[31:12] women on board?

[31:15] >> It's a fascinating fascinating place to

[31:18] be right now. The mood when I arrived on

[31:20] board last week was anxious. There were

[31:23] a lot of people feeling a lot of tension

[31:25] with a lot of uncertainty and that that

[31:27] mood settled when the president spoke

[31:29] and then there was a feeling of a

[31:30] mission and no one's a more wararm

[31:33] monger on this ship. I don't feel that

[31:34] at all but people feel they have a

[31:36] mission. They have orders and this is

[31:37] their job and they're going to execute

[31:40] and this morning I would say there was

[31:41] almost a sense of relief with a with an

[31:44] order being executed but people are

[31:46] reflective and somber not a task that

[31:49] they take lightly. Aaron,

[31:50] >> Becky, thank you for your work today and

[31:53] I suspect there's going to be some

[31:54] dramatic and difficult days for you and

[31:57] the crew members aboard that ship. Stay

[31:59] safe. Thank you, Becky Diamond, aboard

[32:01] the Millius out there. Um,

[32:05] here here is the context in some

[32:08] respects we have waited for for many

[32:10] hours tonight. This is the lead in the

[32:13] Washington Post that um this is the

[32:16] Washington Post reporting and obviously

[32:17] we're working pretty hard to confirm it.

[32:19] Uh, but it's hard sometimes because in

[32:21] fact we're on the air and a lot of our

[32:23] correspondents are on the air and

[32:24] they're not able to do as much reporting

[32:25] as I know they'd like to do. Here's the

[32:27] lead in the Washington Post tomorrow.

[32:29] Today, shortly before 4 p.m. yesterday,

[32:32] Director of Central Intelligence George

[32:34] J. Tennant offered President Bush the

[32:36] prospect improbable to the point of

[32:38] fantasy yet suddenly at hand that the

[32:41] war against Iraq might be transformed

[32:44] with its opening shots. The CIA said

[32:47] tenants said believed it had a fix on

[32:50] Saddam Hussein. Hussein and others in

[32:54] the most senior levels of the Iraqi

[32:55] leadership and on the post story goes.

[32:58] So if this is we're careful with this

[33:02] this is the reporting of the Washington

[33:03] Post. pretty good reporters. They uh

[33:07] that now at least we have some sense of

[33:09] what it was the Americans thought they

[33:11] had, why they felt they had a moment, an

[33:14] opportunity, improbable to the point of

[33:17] fantasy yet suddenly at hand. A nice

[33:19] little piece of writing. Uh Kelly man is

[33:21] among the groups that among the

[33:23] individual. He's not a group. He's a

[33:24] person who works with us um in special

[33:28] forces and understanding a lot of this

[33:30] stuff. What's your take on that? Must

[33:33] have been a tanalyzing moment, wouldn't

[33:34] you think, when the CI director walks in

[33:36] and says, "We think we got him in the

[33:37] crosshairs."

[33:39] It was, Aaron, and I watched you report

[33:41] it and uh it always puts a hitch in your

[33:43] throat. The bottom line is, and the most

[33:44] tanalyzing piece of it is that's

[33:46] something that can't be confirmed by

[33:48] satellites. In other words, it clearly

[33:50] indicates people on the ground. Uh it it

[33:52] it indicates human intelligence.

[33:54] >> I think it was General Clark earlier,

[33:56] but it may have been um may have been

[33:58] someone else. who've been at this a bit

[34:00] who said one of the things that might be

[34:02] unsettling to Saddam is the fact that if

[34:04] they in fact targeted him, somebody who

[34:07] knows him, somebody close to him, some

[34:10] human being gave him up. Absolutely. Or

[34:15] that we that he has actual enemy people

[34:18] in his in his rear area right next to

[34:20] him and didn't know it. That that would

[34:22] be even more fear producing. uh

[34:24] especially with a person who loves to

[34:26] control things as much as as he does. In

[34:29] the last war, we know that he had at

[34:31] least 11 lookalikes. So, in order to

[34:34] prioritize the target list to step out

[34:36] of the kind of at least the initial

[34:38] planning, we all know it goes south the

[34:39] first shot. But bottom line is in order

[34:41] to act on that, they had to have direct

[34:44] eyes on the target and have reason to

[34:46] believe that even with the time of

[34:48] flight of the missile that they had a

[34:50] chance of getting it. And that's

[34:51] exciting. It a it boy it sure paints

[34:54] that whole Saddam uh television speech

[34:58] in an entirely different light doesn't

[35:00] it? I mean there must have been if if

[35:02] the post reporting in in proves out and

[35:05] and there's no reason to believe it will

[35:07] not. I mean I I for one have great

[35:09] confidence in their reporting. Um there

[35:12] must have been in American circles,

[35:14] military circles, intelligence circles a

[35:17] heartdropping moment uh when they

[35:20] realized it didn't happen. and they

[35:21] didn't get him. This uh improbable to

[35:24] the point of fantasy moment.

[35:26] >> But on the good side, Aaron, it gives

[35:28] rise to the run rabbit run, doesn't it?

[35:30] I as I watched you report it, uh I I

[35:33] noticed that they were on again, off

[35:34] again, 10 minutes away. Nope. 20

[35:36] minutes. Uh that could be the rabbit

[35:39] that doesn't want to come out of his

[35:40] hole. And and I think that clearly he

[35:42] looked a little bit distraught on

[35:43] television as well. I would I agree with

[35:46] that that that was not again you don't

[35:49] want to put too much too fine a point on

[35:50] some of this stuff but that was not the

[35:52] sort of confident almost jaunty Saddam

[35:55] Hussein that we have seen of very often

[35:58] over a long period of time that's right

[36:01] I mean if you if you watch him in in his

[36:03] normal composure he's leaning back he's

[36:05] smoking he's uh basically uh you know

[36:09] talking to people on bended knee this

[36:11] was leaning forward he clearly had a

[36:13] long face. Uh he clearly had not been

[36:16] sleeping well and I think that if you

[36:19] look closely at the and listen to the

[36:21] way that he talked and and the the man

[36:23] the mannerisms he used, it was not his

[36:25] normal routine. Looks a lot older in

[36:28] that shot to me than he looked Yes, he

[36:30] does.

[36:30] >> Now, I'll tell you something. I don't

[36:31] imagine you sleep very well if 40 cruise

[36:33] missiles or half that many if there were

[36:36] two targets. Half that many are raining

[36:38] down on where you were or where someone

[36:40] thought you were. uh that would keep me

[36:42] up at night.

[36:44] >> And and we're talking about a man who

[36:46] needed a food taster. I mean, you know,

[36:48] what kind of life is that? And now it's

[36:50] coming to a uh a culmination here where

[36:53] literally a superpower is is hunting

[36:56] him. I mean, that's got to be a very

[36:58] terrible feeling. Kelly, terrific work

[37:00] there. Thank you, Nick. Uh I'm not sure

[37:02] if you're able to hear I'm not going to

[37:04] read the whole uh lead again, but this

[37:06] notion that the CIA had Saddam Hussein,

[37:09] believed it had Saddam Hussein in his

[37:11] sights, and marry that off with the

[37:13] notion that Kelly underscored, which is

[37:16] it had to be human intelligence that

[37:18] gave him up.

[37:22] Nick

[37:26] >> Well, it was a pretty good windup, Nick.

[37:28] I'll say that. I'm not sure we uh

[37:33] may be having a little trouble with Nick

[37:34] Robertson's phone, which is all things

[37:36] considered considered.

[37:37] >> I think I think I hear you now. I think

[37:38] we have some interference on the line.

[37:40] >> There you go, Nick.

[37:41] >> It certainly Aaron, it certainly fits

[37:43] into something that Iraqi officials have

[37:46] been saying that is going on here, part

[37:49] of a psychological warp. And when one

[37:52] thinks that the next phase of this

[37:55] campaign will be bombing on the scale

[37:58] that will shocken all the people here, a

[38:01] psychological phase, a buildup of

[38:03] continuing to mount the pressure that we

[38:06] know where you are. We've targeted you.

[38:08] Perhaps only President Saddam Hussein

[38:10] knows how closely that targeting

[38:13] actually came to him. But certainly from

[38:16] a psychological point of view, shock and

[38:18] awe will have a much greater effect on

[38:21] an enemy who is already feeling the

[38:23] psychological pressure and one can see

[38:25] that building here. Again, the very

[38:27] quick response coming out on television.

[38:29] He did look older than his looks in the

[38:31] past. It was hastily prepared. The

[38:35] psychological impact or the

[38:37] psychological component here does appear

[38:39] to be having some effect at least. Aaron

[38:43] >> Nick, thank you. Uh just a a couple uh

[38:45] for our viewers here, a couple more

[38:47] pieces of detail out of the Washington

[38:50] Post uh reporting on this. Um the

[38:53] intelligence community believed this uh

[38:55] well the intelligence was unforeseen

[38:57] according to the post and perishable. He

[39:00] wasn't going to be wherever he was very

[39:01] long, presenting what one administration

[39:03] official called the target of

[39:05] opportunity. There was no guarantee at

[39:07] all. Tenant said that his whereabouts

[39:08] would be pinpointed again. According to

[39:11] the Post reporting, he was in an

[39:13] anonymous Baghdad home.

[39:16] Just read it. When President Bush signed

[39:18] the launch order at 6:30 p.m., it had

[39:20] been hastily prepared. The first shots

[39:23] would strike through the roof and walls

[39:24] of an anonymous Baghdad home and deep

[39:26] beneath it in hopes of decapitating the

[39:29] Iraqi government in a single blow. So

[39:32] when we talked earlier

[39:35] u perhaps an hour or so ago about the

[39:37] idea that this was not the opening act

[39:41] of this war that any of us had been

[39:43] prepared for that you had been listening

[39:45] to and about for many many weeks. Now

[39:48] you know exactly why the CIA and and I

[39:52] think Kelly makes great sense. It had to

[39:54] be human intelligence. Believe they had

[39:56] Saddam Hussein. That they had him in a

[39:57] house in Baghdad, some nondescript home.

[40:00] Anonymous is the way the post describes

[40:02] it. An anonymous home in Baghdad. This

[40:04] is a guy who rarely sleeps in the same

[40:06] place, same bed two days in a row. And

[40:08] they thought they had him and they moved

[40:09] the plan up because they thought they

[40:11] could get him. And the fact is, it turns

[40:12] out they did not. But it's an

[40:14] extraordinary piece of news to be able

[40:16] to report that the intelligence on the

[40:19] ground and this bodess well we must say

[40:21] for everything that is about to follow

[40:24] that the intelligence on the ground was

[40:27] at least credible enough to the people

[40:30] who analyzed this sort of thing that

[40:33] they believed that they could toss $40

[40:35] million worth of weapons out there and

[40:38] maybe end this thing before it began.

[40:41] Um, we're trying to to make some sense

[40:43] of the military moves that have gone on.

[40:45] I think that's what Miles O'Brien uh is

[40:48] able to deal with now. Miles, uh, Aaron.

[40:51] Yes. Let me, first of all, I want to

[40:52] tell you a couple of things. We've, uh,

[40:53] got some satellite imagery of, uh, the

[40:56] greater Baghdad area, city of 5 million

[40:58] people. And we can give you a sense if

[41:00] you, uh, take a look at this imagery of

[41:03] some of the targets of opportunity.

[41:04] That's actually the wrong shot right

[41:06] now. They're trying to set that one up.

[41:07] Claude, if I could have you go to the uh

[41:09] uh 101, the keyhole graphic, and we're

[41:12] going to bring that up for you and try

[41:13] to give you a sense as we zoom in on um

[41:16] Baghdad through the keyhole machine. If

[41:19] you could put that up for me, we'll get

[41:20] there. That's actually the wrong machine

[41:22] as well. Uh one more try there and we'll

[41:24] try to get this on. GR 101 for those of

[41:28] you keeping score at home is what we're

[41:30] trying to get up on the air here. You

[41:32] know what, Aronaut, we're going to try

[41:33] to get that graphic together. We'll get

[41:34] back to you in just a minute.

[41:36] >> Okay. Thanks. You know, we've had very

[41:39] few of these little glitches and we

[41:41] brought things in from all over the

[41:42] world and we have a glitch 30 feet

[41:44] behind me over in the corner. Go figure

[41:46] that. Um it has been an extraordinary

[41:50] night, a night that none of us um

[41:52] anticipated would play out in any way

[41:55] the way it has. Uh but that's that's the

[41:58] nature of this. I guess we we anticipate

[42:02] things and then a piece of information

[42:03] comes and it changed the whole runup or

[42:08] layout of this thing. Uh Christian, um

[42:12] it's a pretty remarkable piece of news

[42:13] to report that the CIA thought they had

[42:15] the guy cold.

[42:19] >> It certainly is. And of course, we

[42:21] remember back from the first Gulf War

[42:23] that they tried over and over to do it

[42:25] then as well. I mean there wasn't that

[42:27] open admission that he was a target back

[42:29] then but it had been tried many many

[42:32] times and it failed back then. We still

[42:34] don't know exactly who was targeted and

[42:37] what actually happened in the pre-dawn

[42:39] attack on those locations in Baghdad

[42:42] today. So we'll obviously have to wait

[42:43] to see uh what was the target and and

[42:46] what or who if anybody was in fact

[42:49] caught. Um but certainly in terms of

[42:51] what do we expect next? Well, what do we

[42:54] expect? When will the actual first stage

[42:57] of massive uh aerial bombardment happen

[42:59] if indeed it does happen? And when then

[43:02] will the ground offensive start? We've

[43:04] been told that the uh the objective here

[43:07] is although they're talking about such

[43:09] heavy bombardment, not to target and not

[43:13] to kill unnecessarily either Iraqi

[43:16] military or obviously civilians. What

[43:19] they say they want to do is try try to

[43:22] go in as soft as they can while going

[43:24] after legitimate military targets. And

[43:27] there are all sorts of possibilities

[43:28] that we've been told by uh senior

[43:31] officers here about what they may

[43:32] expect. We don't even know whether these

[43:35] 17 uh Iraqi surrender Iraqi soldiers who

[43:38] surrendered might preage uh hundreds

[43:42] tens of thousands of Iraqis who might

[43:44] surrender in early hours. So, we're

[43:46] really going to have to wait to see how

[43:48] this unfolds. And as you've been saying,

[43:49] as we've been saying, it's unfolded

[43:51] slightly differently than we had been

[43:53] led to believe.

[43:54] >> Back to you, Erin.

[43:55] >> Thank you, Cristian. I remember uh

[43:57] General Clark saying to me in the early

[43:59] moments of the war in Afghanistan uh

[44:03] back a year ago that these things

[44:05] actually never do quite the way you they

[44:07] never go quite the way you expect them.

[44:09] We just didn't expect to be unexpected

[44:11] quite so quickly as it happened today.

[44:14] Um, Miles, you want to give it another

[44:16] go?

[44:16] >> Yeah. Yes. Let's give it another go.

[44:18] Erin, I think we finally have found uh

[44:21] all the right buttons here. And as you

[44:22] say, it is always the things closest to

[44:24] home that seem to fail us. Uh, what I

[44:26] have to show you is some uh pretty

[44:28] interesting satellite imagery. This

[44:29] isn't stuff real time. It's not like

[44:31] we're going to look at a bomb damage

[44:33] assessment, which is the term the

[44:34] Pentagon uses. This is imagery which was

[44:36] shot a year ago of Baghdad. And let's

[44:37] take that source and we'll zoom in on

[44:39] this region for you and give you a sense

[44:42] of some of the possible areas, some of

[44:44] the possible targets uh of opportunity

[44:47] in the Baghdad region. Now, I should

[44:48] give you the caveat. We don't know

[44:50] precisely where these 40 cruise missiles

[44:52] and where that F17 was tasked to strike,

[44:56] but uh we can tell you where some of the

[44:59] lucrative targets are as we zoom right

[45:01] in there on Baghdad. Take a look at this

[45:02] palace here. Uh that palace is the main

[45:06] palace uh among Saddam Hussein's many

[45:10] dozens of palaces literally lots of

[45:12] money spent over the years building

[45:14] shrines to himself all around uh this

[45:17] country. Uh that's just one of many.

[45:20] There's a compound right along the

[45:22] Tigress River. There's another palace

[45:24] that just went by there. You saw the

[45:26] blue dome and yet another one right over

[45:28] here. these palaces. Uh he, as you have

[45:30] pointed out many times, Erin, uh Saddam

[45:32] Hussein does not like to sleep in the

[45:34] same bed twice in a row. A couple of

[45:37] other places that might be of great

[45:39] interest for targets. Uh the Council of

[45:42] Ministers. This is where um the uh Iraqi

[45:46] uh government, the the uh the people

[45:49] closest to Saddam Hussein meet. It's

[45:51] actually an old convention center now,

[45:54] but a possible target as well. the

[45:56] Ministry of Information. Now, we know

[45:58] the Ministry of Information is standing.

[46:00] Why do we know that? Well, that's where

[46:02] that live picture that you've been

[46:03] seeing has been coming from. Uh you've

[46:06] been seeing it. The shot that we're

[46:07] showing is actually looking uh looking

[46:09] out in this direction. And if I uh move

[46:12] up just a little bit, you can sort of

[46:14] get a sense of what you're looking at

[46:15] there. Uh there's that shot which you've

[46:18] seen many times in our our pictures.

[46:21] There's that shot of the mosque. That

[46:23] mosque is right in this area. And then

[46:24] we had a shot looking down that bridge

[46:27] just a little while ago. So the field of

[46:29] view of that camera is somewhere like

[46:31] this or really now that it's been panned

[46:33] over it's something like this. So you

[46:34] can get a sense of of where it is

[46:37] looking. There's another very

[46:38] interesting uh potential target and

[46:40] we're talking about regime targets here.

[46:43] Regime targets. That's the goal is not

[46:45] to take out power plants and and um ruin

[46:48] the water supply, that sort of thing to

[46:50] cause hardship to the people. The idea

[46:52] is to go after the regime. This is the

[46:54] ministry of uh military industrial uh

[46:58] the military-industrial complex if you

[47:00] will. This is uh sort of the the

[47:02] headquarters for the weapons of mass

[47:04] destruction uh capability uh in Iraq and

[47:08] has been over the years. And finally uh

[47:10] over here uh right next to it is where

[47:12] the Iraqi parliament uh meets. Um

[47:15] interesting when you're talking about

[47:16] regime targets uh this is a place you

[47:19] might want to take a quick look at. This

[47:20] is the place where you've seen those

[47:22] pictures of Saddam Hussein constantly

[47:24] firing off pistols. Uh that is uh every

[47:27] time you see that that is shot right

[47:29] here. That's kind of the uh Lenin Square

[47:33] uh the it's the top of Lenin's tomb I

[47:35] should say the Kremlin if you will for

[47:38] uh Saddam Hussein. And that's where

[47:39] those parades occur. Anyway, those are

[47:41] possible targets. We don't know that

[47:43] that's where they were striking.

[47:44] Nevertheless, gives you a little tour of

[47:46] Baghdad. Aaron,

[47:47] >> thank you. Miles Miles O'Brien

[47:50] knows more than space, doesn't he? He

[47:52] knows the layout of Baghdad. Um, we're

[47:55] going to make a a a couple of

[47:56] switchovers here. For our viewers on CNN

[47:59] International, first of all, thanks for

[48:01] being with us, of course, and John Vos

[48:03] will continue the coverage there in a

[48:04] moment. For the rest of you, those of

[48:07] you here in the United States, uh, Heidi

[48:09] Collins and Anderson Cooper will come

[48:10] in. Um, a lot of extraordinary work was

[48:13] done on an extraordinary day and our

[48:16] thanks u particularly to Nick Robertson

[48:18] in Baghdad, to Wolf and Christian in

[48:21] Kuwait, and to all our inbeds who we

[48:24] heard from, all our reporters who um to

[48:27] Walt Rogers and and uh and Kira and and

[48:31] all the rest. I'm going to forget. I'll

[48:32] I'll leave some out and feel bad. Um,

[48:35] we'll leave you uh before we turn it

[48:37] over to them with the president of the

[48:38] United States who at 10:15 Eastern time

[48:41] announced the beginning of this war.

[48:45] We'll see you tomorrow. My fellow

[48:47] citizens, at this hour, American and

[48:50] coalition forces are in the early stages

[48:52] of military operations to disarm Iraq,

[48:56] to free its people, and to defend the

[48:58] world from grave danger. On my orders,

[49:02] coalition forces have begun striking

[49:03] selected targets of military importance

[49:06] to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to

[49:08] wage war. These are opening stages of

[49:12] what will be a broad and concerted

[49:14] campaign.

[49:16] More than 35 countries are giving

[49:18] crucial support from the use of naval

[49:20] and air bases to help with intelligence

[49:23] and logistics to the deployment of

[49:26] combat units.

[49:27] Every nation in this coalition has

[49:30] chosen to bear the duty and share the

[49:33] honor of serving in our common defense.

[49:37] To all the men and women of the United

[49:39] States armed forces now in the Middle

[49:40] East, the peace of a troubled world and

[49:43] the hopes of an oppressed people now

[49:46] depend on you. That trust is wellplaced.

[49:50] The enemies you confront will come to

[49:52] know your skill and bravery. The people

[49:55] you liberate will witness the honorable

[49:57] and decent spirit of the American

[50:00] military.

[50:01] In this conflict, America faces an enemy

[50:04] who has no regard for conventions of war

[50:07] or rules of morality.

[50:10] Saddam Hussein has placed Iraqi troops

[50:12] and equipment in civilian areas,

[50:14] attempting to use innocent men, women,

[50:17] and children as shields for his own

[50:20] military. a final atrocity against his

[50:23] people. I want Americans and all the

[50:26] world to know that coalition forces will

[50:29] make every effort to spare innocent

[50:31] civilians from harm.

[50:34] A campaign on the harsh terrain of a

[50:36] nation as large as California could be

[50:38] longer and more difficult than some

[50:41] predict.

[50:43] And helping Iraqis achieve a united,

[50:45] stable, and free country will require

[50:48] our sustained commitment.

[50:50] We come to Iraq with respect for its

[50:53] citizens, for their great civilization,

[50:56] and for the religious faiths they

[50:58] practice. We have no ambition in Iraq

[51:01] except to remove a threat and restore

[51:04] control of that country to its own

[51:06] people.

[51:08] I know that the families of our military

[51:10] are praying that all those who serve

[51:12] will return safely and soon.

[51:15] Millions of Americans are praying with

[51:17] you for the safety of your loved ones

[51:20] and for the protection of the innocent

[51:23] for your sacrifice. You have the

[51:25] gratitude and respect of the American

[51:28] people. And you can know that our forces

[51:32] will be coming home as soon as their

[51:34] work is done.

[51:36] Our nation enters this conflict

[51:38] reluctantly.

[51:40] Yet our purpose is sure. The people of

[51:43] the United States and our friends and

[51:44] allies will not live at the mercy of an

[51:47] outlaw regime that threatens the peace

[51:49] with weapons of mass murder.

[51:52] We will meet that threat now with our

[51:55] army, air force, navy, coast guard and

[51:58] marines so that we do not have to meet

[52:01] it later with armies.