NBC News Special Report - 2003-03-17 - 10:46 a.m. (E)

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[0:05] >> this is an NBC News special report. Here

[0:09] is Tom Brokoff.

[0:12] >> Good morning everyone. As you may be

[0:14] aware, the march to war with Iraq is now

[0:16] picking up pace. The diplomatic option

[0:18] has been exhausted at the United

[0:20] Nations. uh John Nagraati who is the

[0:23] United States ambassador to the UN

[0:25] announced within the hour that they're

[0:27] abandoning any hope of getting a second

[0:29] UN resolution because members have made

[0:32] it clear that they will veto that

[0:33] specifically that would be France or

[0:36] Russia of raising the threat of a veto

[0:38] given the timeline that the president

[0:40] and prime minister Tony Blair of Great

[0:42] Britain worked out in their summit

[0:44] meeting in the Azors last night. We are

[0:46] now awaiting the appearance of Secretary

[0:48] of State Coen Powell, who will describe

[0:50] where we go from here. The president is

[0:52] scheduled to address the nation tonight

[0:54] at 8 Eastern time. The troops in the

[0:57] Persian Gulf uh are leaning forward and

[1:00] they have been told that there could be

[1:02] war as early as this weekend on the

[1:05] ground. Let's go now to the Secretary of

[1:07] State.

[1:07] >> Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. As

[1:09] you know know last fall in an act of

[1:12] unonymity the security council came

[1:14] together following President Bush's

[1:17] historic speech to the United Nations on

[1:19] the 12th of September and on the 8th of

[1:20] November after long negotiations uh

[1:24] passed UN resolution 1441

[1:28] by unanimous vote 15 to zero. Not one

[1:31] member failing to raise a hand in

[1:33] support of that resolution.

[1:36] In the months after the passage of UN

[1:38] resolution 1441,

[1:40] we watched as the inspectors began their

[1:43] work and we were immediately concerned

[1:46] that Iraq was not going to understand

[1:48] the intention of 1441 when Iraq

[1:51] submitted 30 days later a declaration

[1:54] that can only be said to be false, not

[1:56] complete, rather incomplete, not

[1:59] truthful, untruthful, and nowhere near

[2:02] meeting the spirit intended

[2:04] in 1441.

[2:07] We call that out to the international

[2:09] community at that time. We said we

[2:12] believe that that false declaration was

[2:13] a material breach. We continued to

[2:16] support the inspectors. We continued to

[2:18] watch and although we have seen some

[2:21] process improvements and some grudging

[2:24] movement on the part of Sodom Hussein's

[2:26] regime to provide some information and

[2:29] provide some equipment to the

[2:31] inspectors. It certainly wasn't the kind

[2:34] of compliance and total cooperation that

[2:37] 1441 required and that we were hoping

[2:41] but had no illusions about Iraq being

[2:44] able to accept and respond to. As a

[2:48] result of this and as a result of a

[2:50] number of briefings that we received

[2:51] from UNMovic and IAEA

[2:54] uh a week and a half ago, the United

[2:56] Kingdom, the United States, and uh Spain

[3:00] uh put forward a resolution that would

[3:03] once again give Sodom Hussein one last

[3:06] chance to act or face the serious

[3:08] consequences that were authorized and

[3:10] clearly intended in UN resolution 1441.

[3:14] Unfortunately, over the last u roughly

[3:17] uh two weeks or thereabouts, a little

[3:19] less than two weeks that we have

[3:20] debating this particular draft

[3:22] resolution and despite best efforts to

[3:25] see whether or not language could be

[3:26] adjusted uh to make it more acceptable

[3:29] to council members, it is clear that

[3:32] there are some permanent members of the

[3:33] council that would veto any such

[3:35] resolution or any resolution resembling

[3:38] the one that the British tabled Friday

[3:40] before last at the United Nations. As a

[3:43] result of this, uh, the United Kingdom,

[3:45] the United States, and Spain decided to

[3:49] not call for a vote on this resolution.

[3:52] Um we spent a great deal of time

[3:54] overnight uh and earlier this morning

[3:57] talking to friends and colleagues around

[4:00] the world about uh the resolution and it

[4:03] was our judgment reached by the United

[4:06] States, the United Kingdom and Spain

[4:08] that no further purpose would be served

[4:10] by pushing this resolution. So we are

[4:13] not going to ask for a vote on the

[4:14] resolution. the resolution uh will uh

[4:17] die anyway because it had a built-in

[4:20] date of 17 March within the resolution

[4:23] which has not been modified. As you

[4:26] heard the president and the other

[4:28] leaders who assembled in the Azors

[4:31] yesterday for the Atlantic summit say

[4:33] the window on diplomacy is uh closing.

[4:37] Uh the moment of truth is arriving and

[4:40] you will hear a speech from the

[4:41] president thei of the United States this

[4:43] evening. President Bush will address the

[4:45] nation and the world on the situation as

[4:47] we now see it. Um in his speech, he

[4:50] clearly will issue an ultimatum to Sodom

[4:53] Hussein that the only way to avoid the

[4:55] serious consequences that were built

[4:58] into 1441 is for Sodom Hussein and his

[5:02] immediate cohort uh to leave the country

[5:05] and to allow uh this matter to be

[5:08] resolved through the peaceful entry of

[5:10] force and not a conflict. Nevertheless,

[5:12] U. the president's determination. We

[5:14] made clear tonight that this matter

[5:16] cannot continue indefinitely that Sodom

[5:18] Hussein is guilty of the charges that

[5:22] have been brought against him previously

[5:24] through these many resolutions which

[5:26] acknowledged that he had weapons of mass

[5:28] destruction and he has failed to disarm

[5:31] himself as required by the various

[5:33] resolutions. We believe and I think um

[5:37] you've also heard an opinion from uh

[5:39] British legal authorities within the

[5:41] last 24 hours that there is sufficient

[5:44] authority in 1441 678 and 687 earlier

[5:50] resolutions for whatever military action

[5:52] might be required. I'm very very pleased

[5:55] that the council did come together last

[5:57] November 8th for 1441. of course

[6:00] disappointed that we were unable to get

[6:02] a subsequent resolution but we believe

[6:04] that our actions now are uh supported by

[6:09] international law whatever actions we

[6:11] might take in the future and the

[6:13] president will talk to this issue

[6:15] tonight. I won't say any more about the

[6:16] president's speech because the president

[6:18] of course will have the opportunity to

[6:20] speak for himself and uh make the points

[6:23] perfectly clear to the American people

[6:25] and to the international community.

[6:26] You'll also notice that in their

[6:29] statements yesterday at the Atlantic

[6:31] summit, all of the leaders spoke to a

[6:35] future for Iraq that will be brighter if

[6:37] it comes to the use of military force,

[6:40] where this dictator will no longer be

[6:42] able to oppress his own people, no

[6:43] longer able to threaten his neighbors,

[6:46] and no longer able to develop these

[6:48] horrible weapons which could be used

[6:51] against his neighbors as they have been

[6:52] used in the past or of greater concern

[6:55] to us. can spread and be acquired by

[6:58] terrorist organizations which might use

[7:00] them against us, our friends or our

[7:02] interest. I think it was also important

[7:04] to note in the president's statement

[7:06] yesterday his commitment to the UN and

[7:08] the role that we believe the UN will

[7:10] play uh in the aftermath of any conflict

[7:13] uh should it come and our continued

[7:15] support for the UN. With that, I'll take

[7:18] a couple of questions.

[7:19] >> Secretary, on on the allies, back in

[7:21] November, when several of them tried to

[7:24] dilute the resolution and they did

[7:26] accomplish some word changes, um would

[7:28] it be fair to say that they understood

[7:31] at the end that force was possible?

[7:35] Because they're impress they seem to

[7:37] give the impression they had succeeded

[7:39] in sidetracking force. And could you say

[7:42] if you think there'll be permanent

[7:43] damage to the alliance with what the

[7:46] French have done with support from

[7:48] Germany and Russia?

[7:48] >> On your first question, Barry, uh there

[7:51] can be no confusion on this point. If

[7:53] you remember the debate that we were

[7:55] having before 1441 was passed. There

[7:57] were some nations who insisted that a

[8:00] second resolution would be required and

[8:03] we insisted that a second resolution

[8:05] would not be required. And as we

[8:07] negotiated our way through that, we made

[8:09] it absolutely clear that we did not

[8:12] believe that the resolution as it

[8:14] finally passed would require a second

[8:16] resolution. And in fact, the resolution

[8:18] that we are not taking to a vote today

[8:20] is not a resolution that we uh believed

[8:23] was necessary. It was a resolution we

[8:25] were supporting along with the United

[8:27] Kingdom who tabled it and Spain. It was

[8:29] a resolution that would help some of our

[8:31] friends to show to their publics and to

[8:33] the world that we had taken uh one last

[8:37] step. We had made one last effort to see

[8:39] if Sodom Hussein would come into

[8:41] compliance. The burden of this problem

[8:44] rests squarely on Sodom Hussein and his

[8:48] continuing efforts to deceive, to deny,

[8:52] to do everything to divide the council,

[8:54] to take advantage of every meeting we

[8:56] have had over the last several months to

[8:58] do something just before that meeting to

[8:59] suggest that he is complying when he

[9:01] really isn't. And the world should know

[9:03] that uh this crisis is before us because

[9:06] of this regime and its flagrant

[9:09] violation of obligations that it entered

[9:11] into over the last 12 years. That's

[9:13] where the burden lies.

[9:15] >> And the is there permanent damage to the

[9:17] excuse me

[9:18] >> uh is there permanent damage to uh to

[9:20] the the alliance? I the UN uh is an

[9:23] important institution

[9:25] um and it will survive and the United

[9:28] States will continue to be uh an

[9:31] important member of the United Nations

[9:33] and its various uh uh organizations. But

[9:37] clearly this is a test in my judgment

[9:39] that the security council did not meet.

[9:41] We all knew what we were doing last

[9:42] fall. The very reason that we went into

[9:46] a went into a prolonged negotiation on

[9:48] 1441 was so that it did not become the

[9:52] same kind of resolution that we had seen

[9:55] so many times in the past that had a lot

[9:56] of words, a lot of rhetoric and Sodom

[9:59] Hussein can simply ignore and thumb his

[10:01] nose at. This was a resolution that

[10:03] every person who voted for it, every

[10:06] permanent representative who was there

[10:08] on the 8th of November and voted for

[10:10] this resolution knew that it was

[10:12] different. that serious consequences

[10:14] would flow and those serious

[10:15] consequences meant the use of force to

[10:18] disarm Sodom Hussein if he did not

[10:20] comply with that resolution and

[10:22] cooperate fully with the inspectors to

[10:24] disarm that regime.

[10:26] >> Mr. Secretary, how how long a period of

[10:28] time do you think is appropriate for

[10:30] Saddam Hussein to be allowed to get out?

[10:32] And who uh who else besides him would

[10:36] have to leave if uh if if they want to

[10:39] avert war?

[10:40] >> Um I I won't speak to a time limit. The

[10:42] president may may do that in his speech

[10:44] this evening and I'll leave that to him.

[10:46] But clearly we would want to see Saddam

[10:50] Hussein depart as well as immediate

[10:52] members of his family who are in

[10:53] positions of control and authority over

[10:56] the armed forces of Iraq. And there are

[10:58] a number of other individuals who would

[11:00] also like to see depart. Some of them

[11:02] were mentioned in in the weekend press,

[11:05] but it's not just one individual I think

[11:07] to solve the problem.

[11:08] >> Do you have a number though? Is there

[11:09] >> um I don't have a number at hand. There

[11:11] are variety of of numbers and ideas

[11:14] floating around and if somebody uh in

[11:16] Baghdad wishes to know the names I'm

[11:17] sure we'd be able to provide them.

[11:19] Secretary

[11:20] >> Mr. Secretary can you give us some

[11:22] insight what has happened over the last

[11:24] 24 hours since the meeting in the Azors?

[11:27] Who were the problems? What kind of

[11:29] conversations did you have? Who did you

[11:30] reach out to? What were the responses?

[11:33] Um the United Kingdom obviously uh

[11:36] reached out to a number of their um

[11:39] colleagues um and um I I can't speak for

[11:42] them. I'll let them cover their own

[11:44] calls and consultations. Similarly,

[11:47] Spain and and others. Uh Richard will

[11:50] give you the list of my calls uh for

[11:52] this morning, but it's about uh oh 12 or

[11:55] 15. I've spoken to the French. Just

[11:57] spoke to foreign minister Dilpan. I

[12:00] spoke to Foreign Minister Yoshka Fischer

[12:02] of Germany. I've spoken to Foreign

[12:04] Minister Igor even of the Russian

[12:07] Federation. I've spoken to the new

[12:08] Chinese foreign minister, Foreign

[12:10] Minister Lee. Um I've spoken to

[12:13] President Masharov. I have spoken to

[12:15] Kofi Anan. Um I have spoken to uh

[12:18] foreign minister George Papandreo of

[12:20] Greece who's also in the Greek

[12:22] presidency for this period. I've spoken

[12:25] to his foreign secretary straw. Uh I

[12:27] spoken to foreign minister Palasios of

[12:29] Spain and uh there's a very long list

[12:33] waiting when I get back upstairs. The

[12:34] response was um you know this this is

[12:38] where we are. Does anybody see any

[12:40] prospects for movement on this

[12:42] particular resolution? And uh frankly

[12:45] everybody pretty much accepted that this

[12:47] resolution was uh not going to be a

[12:50] successful one because there was one

[12:53] nation France that had indicated that it

[12:55] would veto it under any set any set of

[12:58] circumstances or any similar resolution

[13:00] is modified uh that would leave a path

[13:04] open to conflict. But we always knew

[13:07] from the very beginning that such a path

[13:09] had to be kept open. And this is what

[13:12] serious consequences meant. And without

[13:14] that path, Saddam Hussein would never

[13:16] comply. And what he was trying to do was

[13:19] just stretch it out. More inspections,

[13:20] more time. Let's delay. Let's let's give

[13:23] a little here, give a little there.

[13:24] Let's see if we can break this

[13:26] consensus. And um with the certainty of

[13:30] a French veto and possibly other vetos,

[13:34] uh this was not the time to have further

[13:36] division within the council by taking

[13:38] this to a vote.

[13:40] >> I've got one. Let me Excuse me. Excuse

[13:42] me. Yeah,

[13:42] >> Mr. Secretary, you seem to imply

[13:44] yesterday on one of the shows that you

[13:45] believe French commercial interests

[13:47] would help drive the position. I'm

[13:48] wondering if you can elaborate on that.

[13:49] And how firm a guarantee do we have that

[13:51] Turkey won't send its troops well into

[13:52] northern Iraq and cause problems with

[13:54] the the Kurds there? I I made the point

[13:58] that they're in response to a question

[13:59] that of course they're their commercial

[14:01] interest that everybody has to uh

[14:03] consider. Um and the French have uh for

[14:09] years had difficulties with the

[14:11] inspection regime. And I pointed out in

[14:13] one of the shows yesterday that when you

[14:15] go back to 19 98 and 19 early 1999 when

[14:21] the current inspection regime was being

[14:23] developed when UNMOIC was being created

[14:25] after the collapse of the previous

[14:27] inspection regime, uh France worked

[14:30] actively for a number of months and our

[14:32] judgment to uh try to weaken that

[14:36] inspection regime. uh and at the end of

[14:39] the day when compromises had been made

[14:41] and everybody thought we had a a good

[14:43] outcome before our time previous

[14:45] administration even then France

[14:47] abstained from voting for it and so uh

[14:51] um that is of concern to us but in 1441

[14:56] France was solidly in board and when you

[14:58] look at the statements that were made by

[15:00] French officials right after the passage

[15:02] of 1441 it was absolutely clear that

[15:05] they understood that Saddam Hussein and

[15:08] the Iraqi regime had weapons of mass

[15:10] destruction. It's not something just

[15:12] known to American intelligence. It's

[15:14] known to all of the major intelligence

[15:16] agencies uh in the world. And France

[15:19] acknowledged that. Everybody

[15:20] acknowledged that when they signed on to

[15:21] 1441 because that's what it says. It's

[15:23] in Iraq is in material breach, has been

[15:25] in material breach and now has the

[15:27] opportunity to either get out of the

[15:29] problem or get into further material

[15:30] breach. And what they did was get into

[15:32] further material breach. And that's our

[15:34] judgment. And we believe that the test

[15:36] of the resolution has been met with

[15:38] respect to uh uh the appropriateness of

[15:41] application of serious consequences

[15:42] >> and the Turks and the Kurds.

[15:43] >> Barbara, I'm I'm sorry on on the Turks

[15:47] and the situation in northern Iraq. We

[15:50] are in the closest consultation with the

[15:52] Turks and uh uh let me say that we are

[15:55] very sensitive to Turkish concerns. We

[15:58] appreciate the fact that uh the Turkish

[16:01] government did take our request for uh

[16:05] deployments into their parliament uh at

[16:07] a difficult time for them with a prime

[16:09] minister who is still uh coming in so to

[16:13] speak. Mr. Erdogan was not the prime

[16:14] minister at that time and we are in the

[16:17] closest touch with them now on on a

[16:19] number of issues. one uh the possibility

[16:22] of resubmission and he he is committed

[16:24] to do that at a time that he believes is

[16:26] appropriate and secondly we don't think

[16:28] it would be useful right now to create

[16:30] any additional tension on the border

[16:32] between uh Turkey and northern Iraq and

[16:35] we are in discussions with them as to

[16:37] how to uh make sure that tensions can be

[16:41] kept at the lowest point and not to have

[16:44] difficulty in northern Iraq of the kind

[16:46] that concerns them. And we have also uh

[16:49] assured the Turks that in anything that

[16:51] the future might hold, we are committed

[16:54] to the territorial integrity of Iraq.

[16:58] >> I wanted to ask I wanted to ask uh just

[17:01] some personal reflections. Uh after 1441

[17:03] was passed, you were very very happy man

[17:06] and uh uh certainly it was quite a

[17:09] triumph. Um how have you been feeling

[17:11] the last few weeks? When did you realize

[17:13] that this was not going to happen? Do

[17:15] you wish you'd done anything

[17:16] differently? Do you wish you'd traveled

[17:17] more, changed your tactics in any way?

[17:20] >> This this uh this legend that is out

[17:23] there now that Coen Pal one he the first

[17:25] v variation of it was he doesn't travel

[17:28] and the next variation was he he hates

[17:30] to travel and the third variation was uh

[17:33] he will never travel and doesn't want to

[17:35] travel. um you you do your job by

[17:40] personal contact, by contact, by travel

[17:43] and by the use of modern technology so

[17:45] that uh you can get more bang for the

[17:49] time. And so, um, in the last 6 weeks, I

[17:53] have had, uh, four personal one-on-one

[17:57] meetings, direct meetings with the

[17:59] French foreign minister, with the

[18:02] British foreign minister,

[18:04] uh, with the Russian foreign minister,

[18:07] five such meetings with the Chinese

[18:09] foreign minister. I have gone to Davos

[18:12] in Switzerland where I addressed an

[18:14] international

[18:16] uh setting and at that meeting I met

[18:18] with the Turkish prime minister for

[18:20] almost two hours and the incoming

[18:23] Turkish prime minister Mr. Erdogan, I

[18:26] have had the Turkish a Turkish

[18:27] delegation here in the department, a

[18:29] full delegation, the foreign minister,

[18:31] the uh finance minister and they came to

[18:34] my home till midnight as we worked on

[18:36] the economic package. And so I uh

[18:39] believe that I have used my time

[18:41] properly. Uh at the same time, I went to

[18:43] Asia a few weeks ago. So I travel when I

[18:46] believe travel is appropriate. I'd like

[18:48] to travel more but you know the

[18:50] secretary of state has many

[18:51] responsibilities that he or she has to

[18:54] has to deal with and one has to balance

[18:55] it all but I assure you that I do not uh

[19:00] shrink back from traveling and I will be

[19:02] traveling again soon.

[19:03] >> Any regrets you would have done

[19:04] different?

[19:06] I mean what you can always look and say

[19:10] you should have done this should have

[19:11] done that but the fact of the matter is

[19:13] we came up with a good resolution and we

[19:16] got a solid vote for it 15 to zero and

[19:19] then for a period of four months after

[19:22] that we worked hard with the inspectors

[19:24] we provided them intelligence the focus

[19:27] really was at the UN in New York not you

[19:29] know a lot of other places that's where

[19:31] we had to concentrate our effort and we

[19:33] did everything we could to try to

[19:37] persuade the council that what they were

[19:39] seeing was not compliance. What they

[19:41] were seeing was passive cooperation that

[19:43] didn't get to the heart of the matter

[19:45] which was a strategic decision by Sodom

[19:47] Hussein to comply.

[19:50] And that's what we weren't able to get

[19:52] and that's what uh we weren't able to

[19:54] convince some members of the council uh

[19:56] is what was needed uh in order for us to

[20:00] believe uh that Sodom Hussein was a

[20:03] changed regime was leading a changed

[20:06] regime uh that was willing now to

[20:09] cooperate with the international

[20:11] community and comply with its

[20:12] obligations. One last one. Sorry.

[20:14] >> Mr. Secretary, you said that the

[20:16] ultimatum would be for Saddam Hussein to

[20:18] leave Iraq. Is there any form of

[20:20] disarmament or cooperation at this stage

[20:22] which could uh save his skin?

[20:25] >> I think the the time for diplomacy uh

[20:28] has passed. Um I think that's pretty

[20:31] clear. Uh that's what the leaders were

[20:34] saying in the Azors yesterday. Um and um

[20:38] we

[20:40] used last evening and uh this morning to

[20:43] consult broadly around the world. We

[20:45] did, the British did, the Spanish did.

[20:49] Um, a lot of people have been talking to

[20:50] each other this morning and over the

[20:52] overnight and it became clear that uh uh

[20:56] it would be best at this time to

[20:57] withdraw the resolution and I can think

[20:59] of nothing uh that Saddam Hussein could

[21:01] do diplomatically. I think that that

[21:03] time is now over. He had his chance.

[21:06] He's had many chances over the last 12

[21:08] years and he has blown every one of

[21:10] those chances. Thank you. Thank you.

[21:13] >> Secretary of State Coen Powell appearing

[21:16] shortly after the United Nations

[21:18] Security Council collapsed its

[21:20] diplomatic efforts when it was clear

[21:21] that the French would veto the

[21:23] resolution put forward by the United

[21:24] Kingdom. Let's go now quickly to NBC's

[21:26] chief foreign affairs correspondent

[21:27] Andrea Mitchell. The president will say

[21:29] tonight, Andrea, that Saddam Hussein has

[21:31] x number of hours to leave with members

[21:34] of his family and other top members of

[21:36] the BA Socialist Party there. What are

[21:38] the realistic hopes within the

[21:40] administration that in fact he'll go

[21:42] into exile?

[21:43] >> Intelligence officials have been working

[21:44] on this very hard, Tom. There is very

[21:46] little hope that he would take this exit

[21:48] and leave. And we should point out that

[21:51] even if he were to leave with his

[21:52] immediate family, there would still be

[21:54] military action because the US would

[21:57] still go in to clean out weapons of mass

[21:59] destruction and to root out the rest of

[22:01] the regime and the bath party. Tom

[22:03] >> and at the Pentagon, NBC, Jim Mlashsky.

[22:05] What about the oil fields, Jim?

[22:08] Well, Tom, there's new intelligence that

[22:10] indicates that Saddam Hussein is

[22:11] preparing to destroy his oil fields. Not

[22:14] only that he's probably rigged

[22:15] explosives to some of the oil wellheads,

[22:18] but that he may already be beginning be

[22:20] beginning to flood uh the deserts by

[22:23] opening up some of the oil spets and

[22:25] allowing the oil to flow free.

[22:27] >> All right. And General Barry McAffrey,

[22:29] who is an NBC News analyst, of course,

[22:31] served with distinction during the

[22:32] Persian Gulf War. General, what are your

[22:34] concerns if we were to go to war by the

[22:36] end of this week?

[22:38] >> Well, I don't think I have any real

[22:39] serious ones. I think the initial

[22:41] assault elements, Tom, are there uh to

[22:43] be able to go in and certainly crack all

[22:45] the forces south of the Euphrates and

[22:47] close up on Baghdad. They'll have this

[22:49] rolling start. They'll have to bring in

[22:51] second echelon troops, but there's a

[22:53] thousand aircraft, a thousand Tomahawk

[22:55] missiles, and 160,000 troops in place.

[22:59] >> And what about Miklo's report that he

[23:01] could flood the fields with oil? Uh I

[23:03] think all these tricks Saddam will try,

[23:06] many of his chain of command simply

[23:08] aren't going to follow instructions.

[23:10] There will also be a very uh

[23:12] extraordinary and daring special

[23:14] operations and electronic warfare

[23:17] campaign. And finally, they're going to

[23:19] take out the command and control in the

[23:20] first hour of the war. So it'll be a a

[23:24] huge amount of momentum to roll these

[23:27] people up in the first few days of

[23:29] combat. All right, thanks very much.

[23:30] General Barry McAffrey in the Kuwaiti

[23:32] desert now with the Third Infantry on

[23:34] the phone is NBC's David Bloom. David,

[23:37] is there a change in tenor there where

[23:39] you are?

[23:40] >> There is, Tom, and I'd set a couple of

[23:42] examples. First off, today for the first

[23:44] time, we've seen the A10 Warthogs, the

[23:47] Air Force's close air support planes

[23:50] flying missions above us here. We're

[23:52] about 30 m south of the Iraqi border. In

[23:55] addition to that, we've also seen the

[23:57] tanks and the Bradleys. There about 250

[23:59] tanks in the third infantry division up

[24:01] practicing on the Udari range with their

[24:04] live ammunition. The US military is also

[24:07] receiving reports that Iraq is moving to

[24:09] the south not only their artillery but

[24:11] also potentially chemical weapons. So

[24:12] they're certainly gearing up for that

[24:14] possibility. The troops here are going

[24:15] to be watching the president's speech

[24:17] about 4 a.m. local time and then they'll

[24:19] see what orders they get after that.

[24:20] Tom.

[24:21] >> All right. Thanks very much NBC David

[24:23] Bloom who is with the third infantry the

[24:25] mechanized division that will be one of

[24:26] the points on the spear should it come

[24:28] to war and it appears very likely now

[24:30] that could happen by the end of this

[24:32] week we'll hear from the president

[24:33] tonight at 8 we'll have complete details

[24:35] on NBC Nightly News continuing coverage

[24:37] throughout the day on MSNBC on cable and

[24:40] MSNBC.com

[24:41] I'm Tom Bro on New York I'll see you

[24:43] later

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