Fighting Digital Crime: Officer Jesse Main & K9 Tango | The David Samorano Show
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[0:22] >> Officer Main has joined us here on the
[0:25] show, and without further ado, let's
[0:28] turn it over
[0:30] and from the York County Regional Police
[0:33] Department. How are you doing this
[0:34] morning, Jesse?
[0:35] >> Hey Dave, how are you? Good morning.
[0:38] >> I'm good, man. I'm good. Thanks for
[0:39] joining me.
[0:40] >> Connection all right?
[0:41] >> Yeah, it looks great. Everything's good,
[0:43] you know, and it's welcome from the East
[0:45] Coast, sir.
[0:48] >> Thank you. Yeah, thanks. I had to uh I
[0:50] got to probably sleep a little longer
[0:51] than you this morning.
[0:53] >> Yeah, yeah. It you know, I'm I'm up
[0:55] early most mornings just out of
[0:57] necessity, so I'm I'm kind of used to
[0:59] it. That's why my my hair's gone. I
[1:01] asked I actually had a hair when I used
[1:02] to sleep, so
[1:03] >> [laughter]
[1:04] >> So So hey, Officer Main, give us a
[1:06] rundown of your career and how you end
[1:09] up with a K9 like Tango.
[1:13] >> Yeah, he's uh he is in the room with me.
[1:15] He's laying on the floor right now. I'll
[1:16] have to pop him up in the camera here in
[1:17] a here at some point. Um
[1:20] so, I've been with the York County
[1:21] Regional Police since the since I
[1:23] started my career. I've been there 10
[1:24] years now. Um about half my career, I
[1:28] have been a part of Internet Crimes
[1:30] Against Children Task Force. So, a
[1:31] little over 5 years, about half my
[1:32] career, I've been part of that um that
[1:34] task force in Pennsylvania. Every state
[1:36] across the United States has
[1:38] a very similar task force that that
[1:40] investigates crimes like that. Um back
[1:42] in the early part of my career, I always
[1:44] knew uh even before I became a police
[1:47] officer, when I knew I wanted to do this
[1:49] work, uh I always kind of wanted to to
[1:50] be involved in K9
[1:52] and have a dog in my career at some
[1:54] point. So, I had uh put in for that, you
[1:57] know, sought through our chain of
[1:58] command, requested to to do K9 work with
[2:01] them.
[2:02] And
[2:03] it took
[2:05] a little bit of time just to be selected
[2:06] for it. We didn't have K9s at the time.
[2:08] We had them years prior, but we were we
[2:10] didn't have them. So, it just took a
[2:12] little bit of time to get the unit, you
[2:13] know, up and running again. I was
[2:15] actually didn't even know about these
[2:17] types of dogs at the time. They were
[2:18] still very rare.
[2:20] And when I was putting in for K9, you
[2:22] know, I was thinking that, you know, I
[2:23] was going to get a patrol dog or drug
[2:25] dog or a bomb dog, something like that,
[2:27] you know. My chief of police ended up
[2:29] offering me or showing me this
[2:31] electronics K9.
[2:34] A company that that trains these dogs,
[2:36] and I knew nothing about it. You know
[2:38] what I mean? I had to do research at the
[2:39] time on it and what it was. It was new.
[2:41] We all had to do research. It was they
[2:43] were again still pretty new early on in
[2:45] their kind of in their time of getting
[2:49] put out in the United States.
[2:51] And then I just got selected for it. And
[2:52] due to the work he does, is that's when
[2:54] I had
[2:55] started my time in the Internet Crimes
[2:57] Against Children Task Force and had been
[2:58] doing, like I said, been doing that for
[3:01] a little over 5 years now. So, me and
[3:02] him he's been me and him joined the task
[3:04] force the exact same time together. So.
[3:06] >> That's really cool. So, what let's go
[3:09] over Tango, the breed, age, and and how
[3:12] long [clears throat]
[3:13] >> Yeah, so Tango's he's an English
[3:15] Labrador.
[3:17] He's 7 years old now. He turned 7 in
[3:19] August. He's been in the He's been
[3:20] service with me about a little over 5
[3:22] years. He's
[3:25] like we I said before, he's an
[3:26] electronics K9. So, we call him
[3:27] electronics storage detection is what
[3:29] the ESR You might see them sometimes.
[3:31] They're called ESD. You'll see an ESD
[3:33] K9. That's the ESD stands for electronic
[3:35] storage detection.
[3:37] Yeah, he's 7 years old. He's been a
[3:39] little over 5 years in service.
[3:43] So,
[3:44] he got trained initially
[3:47] at a company called Jordan Detection K9.
[3:50] It's a company in Indiana that that
[3:52] trains these um electronics dogs. The
[3:54] majority of them come from uh his
[3:57] company. I know I don't know much about
[3:58] the other organizations or other
[3:59] companies that that do train them. I
[4:01] know there is some throughout the US
[4:03] that still
[4:04] uh that do train these electronics dogs,
[4:06] but uh that's where Tango came from.
[4:08] Jordan Detection came out out in
[4:09] Indiana.
[4:10] Um shout out to Todd Jordan out there.
[4:12] He's the chief trainer. He does uh does
[4:13] great work with these dogs.
[4:16] >> It's really cool. What's the hardest
[4:17] skill to learn about or I guess you'd
[4:20] say tasks or flow to learn about having
[4:23] a K9? Cuz you're you're basically rein-
[4:26] you're like introducing
[4:28] this counterpart into your daily life. I
[4:31] mean, I think a lot of folks think that
[4:32] maybe the dogs just stay in some kind of
[4:35] housing at the police department, but
[4:36] that's not necessarily true, right? I
[4:38] mean, Tango's with you pretty often.
[4:40] >> Mhm. Yeah, everybody has different
[4:42] things obviously they have to work
[4:43] around when they become a handler, you
[4:44] know. I I remember when I was in the
[4:46] initial school, um some handlers will
[4:49] change the name of their dog. Uh so,
[4:51] when you get assigned a dog, the dog
[4:52] already has a name obviously because it
[4:54] was trained by a puppy raiser or has
[4:56] been trained there at the facility. So,
[4:57] they have to give it a name, you know.
[4:59] So, some handlers will actually change
[5:00] the name of the dog. I decided Tango was
[5:02] already named Tango when I got him. And
[5:04] uh I didn't I liked the name to begin
[5:06] with, but the reason I say this is
[5:07] because I didn't want to deal with uh
[5:11] having to change it have to have him
[5:13] learn a whole new name, you know.
[5:14] Learning how to work a dog was hard
[5:15] enough for me alone, you know, to just
[5:18] figure out how to do it. Um so, just the
[5:20] one is just to start to build the bond
[5:22] with the dog, you know. The dog has been
[5:24] trained by other people before you get
[5:26] them, you know. They have a bond with
[5:27] those trainers to a degree, you know,
[5:29] but um it's just first off it's just
[5:31] building that bond with the dog. A bond
[5:32] that you've never poten- if you've never
[5:34] been a handler, a bond that you've never
[5:36] had before, you know. Um
[5:38] and just working through those those
[5:40] little nuances of being, you know, those
[5:43] early stages of being a new handler, you
[5:45] you learning what the dog will do, um
[5:47] learning the behavior of the dog, uh,
[5:48] just learning in general how to work the
[5:51] dog because the dog
[5:54] it's al- we always say in the in the
[5:55] handler world, it's not the dog's fault,
[5:57] it's the handler's fault.
[5:58] >> [laughter]
[5:59] >> The dog if you know, with the dog isn't
[6:02] uh, if if we don't think you know, the
[6:03] dog might not be finding something or
[6:05] might be missing a device in training or
[6:07] something, it's not the dog's fault. The
[6:09] dog knows how to find it. It's it's your
[6:10] fault. It's you're not working the dog
[6:12] correctly, you know, it's usually falls
[6:14] back on the handler. So, just learning
[6:15] how to work a dog to begin with for the
[6:17] first time in my life was you know, uh,
[6:20] you know, I had to climb. And then just
[6:21] in your personal life, you know, it's
[6:23] it's you have to learn um,
[6:26] how to you know, some people have dogs,
[6:28] you know, I had a dog I had a German
[6:29] Shepherd at the time and just
[6:30] incorporating them two together was a
[6:32] was a feat really to a task to have to
[6:35] overcome. I had a male German Shepherd.
[6:36] I had him for uh, four and a half years.
[6:39] So, you know, I'm coming home from
[6:40] canine school now with this new you
[6:42] know, dad goes away for a few weeks and
[6:44] comes home and all of a sudden I just
[6:46] show up, you know, with this new dog
[6:49] that's never been in the house. And if
[6:51] anybody's ever owned German Shepherds
[6:52] before, especially males, they know
[6:53] they're kind of territorial. So, just
[6:55] having to train both of them to be able
[6:57] to interact with each other and and have
[6:58] a I guess a normal household, you know.
[7:01] Um, so just overcoming just some stuff
[7:03] in the house and then and then these
[7:04] dogs are
[7:06] all the dogs trained in drug detection
[7:07] are all food rewarded canines. So, they
[7:11] they're they're not toy driven like a
[7:13] lot of other canines are where they get
[7:15] a bite, you know, a ball that they get
[7:17] when they find the drugs and they find
[7:18] the bomb or they you know, they they
[7:20] catch the bad guy. Um, they're these are
[7:22] food rewarded dogs. So, because they are
[7:24] this way, they have to train every
[7:26] single day to get their meals. Um, they
[7:29] train I take train Tango twice a day in
[7:31] the early part of his career when I was
[7:33] obviously trying to build that bond and
[7:35] get him you know, good at his job and
[7:37] get me good at you know, working with
[7:38] him, I trained him three times a day for
[7:40] the majority of the time. Um,
[7:42] so they trained to eat their food, you
[7:44] know, so I trained him about an hour ago
[7:46] for his breakfast and that's how he gets
[7:48] his dinner or excuse me, that's how he
[7:50] got his breakfast. Then I'll train him
[7:51] tonight and he'll get his dinner. You
[7:52] know, we hide devices and he gets it. So
[7:53] just learning incorporating that in my
[7:56] daily life is also something you have to
[7:59] adjust to.
[8:00] As I tell everybody, over time it
[8:02] becomes a daily routine of yours like
[8:04] waking up and brushing your teeth. You
[8:05] know, it becomes just part of your daily
[8:07] thing that you get very very used to
[8:08] doing it. But it um, but it is a lot of
[8:11] work. It's something that you have to
[8:12] incorporate and you have to realize it's
[8:13] 7 days, 365 days a year. You know what I
[8:16] mean? That's your
[8:17] have this dog and you're training that
[8:19] dog. You know, you have to work them.
[8:21] >> That's a heck of a commitment. So I've
[8:23] I've got all the photos you sent me of
[8:26] you know, here on the screen. You can't
[8:28] see them but on my end I've got them.
[8:30] And the you know, I was talking to folks
[8:33] that I was going to be bringing you on
[8:34] today to talk about this and the first
[8:37] question they get other than the breed
[8:38] what the first question they would ask
[8:40] other than the breed was, how does Tango
[8:43] pick up on these storage devices? What
[8:46] what is going on inside of them that
[8:49] would attract Tango? So can you can you
[8:51] elaborate on that for us?
[8:53] >> Yeah, I have that's probably the most
[8:54] question we I get asked all the time.
[8:56] It's how are they finding these, you
[8:57] know. Um,
[8:59] so it's a long chemical name. Don't ask
[9:01] me to pronounce it because I know I'll
[9:03] butcher it if [laughter] I try to
[9:04] pronounce it right now. But we call it
[9:05] TPPO. It's it's like the acronym for it.
[9:08] It's a chemical compound that's put on
[9:10] the circuit board of storage devices
[9:12] that keeps the device from overheating.
[9:14] So as I always explain to people like
[9:16] when you're when you turn your phone on
[9:17] and your phone's on, it's heating up.
[9:19] You know, your circuit board is getting
[9:20] hot.
[9:21] It keeps that from overheating. Even a
[9:23] thumb drive, when you plug a thumb drive
[9:24] into the computer, that thumb drive is
[9:26] going to start to heat up because it's
[9:27] starting to do you know, it's starting
[9:29] to do its job. It's working so it it's
[9:31] just a chemical compound that's coated
[9:33] in there to keep it from overheating on
[9:34] those devices when they're when they're
[9:36] running or they're turned on.
[9:40] >> So, what
[9:41] with that with knowing that now
[9:43] with these pictures, right? Some of
[9:44] these are
[9:45] >> [clears throat]
[9:45] >> obviously
[9:47] I would say active searches that Tango
[9:50] is working
[9:51] um
[9:51] >> Yep.
[9:52] >> So, kind of break it break it down. How
[9:54] do we end up here where Tango is
[9:58] doing this work? Uh what is going on?
[10:02] >> all those pictures you see that that I
[10:03] had uh sent over to you they're all real
[10:05] world. So, they're all real world
[10:06] searches of him uh on different scenes.
[10:09] I think there's one I sent you there
[10:10] he's sitting there he's smiling on the
[10:11] bed with
[10:12] >> Yeah.
[10:13] >> [laughter]
[10:13] >> It's cuz that's some SD cards and micro
[10:15] SD cards that he found on the scene um
[10:17] inside of a bag. Um so, yeah, so how
[10:20] these cases all originate I mean they
[10:22] come in different ways, you know what I
[10:23] mean, but but I'm the majority of cases
[10:25] like this I'd say come through what we
[10:27] call cyber tips. They call they come
[10:29] from the National Center for Missing and
[10:31] Exploited Children.
[10:32] Um as simple as I can make it, you know,
[10:34] they'll start
[10:36] not to you know, throw any ESP or
[10:38] electronic service provider like under
[10:39] the under the bus here, but you know,
[10:41] they'll come from Snapchat or TikTok or
[10:43] Facebook, you know, they'll say, "Hey,
[10:44] there's um potential child exploitation
[10:47] material on our platform. Um we don't
[10:50] want it on our platform. We want you
[10:52] know, they don't want the that type of
[10:54] stuff across their you know, their
[10:56] networks." Um they'll report it. Uh the
[10:59] National Center for Missing and
[11:00] Exploited Children compiles as much
[11:02] information as they can and they narrow
[11:04] down as best they can where they believe
[11:06] a potential suspect doing this resides
[11:08] at. Um and then it'll trickle down to to
[11:11] the you know, the jurisdiction that
[11:12] covers that area where they believe that
[11:14] it is. Um so, then me or another uh
[11:17] another detective will get assigned
[11:19] those the case and then there's you'll
[11:21] start to investigate it. Obviously, um
[11:23] if we get if the investigation leads to
[11:26] a residence
[11:27] uh a residential, you know, home or an
[11:29] apartment or something based off the
[11:30] investigation, then we'll we'll
[11:32] generally execute a search warrant on
[11:34] that residence to further investigate,
[11:36] you know, anybody that potentially may
[11:38] reside there that is either uploading or
[11:41] sharing
[11:43] child exploitation material.
[11:45] So then when we execute those search
[11:47] warrants, the majority you know, what
[11:49] we're looking for is electronic storage
[11:50] devices. You know, a lot of this is done
[11:52] on the internet. You got laptops, you
[11:53] know, thumb drives, phones, whatever
[11:56] whatever you could really think of you
[11:58] know, as we're looking for it using on
[12:00] scenes like that. And the smallest
[12:02] device Tango can find is a micro SD
[12:05] card. It's there's one in that picture
[12:07] that I said that's sitting on the bed
[12:08] there in front of them. Very very small
[12:09] as everybody knows it's you know, it's
[12:11] micro SD cards and SIM cards get the
[12:12] size of our pinky fingernail. It's very
[12:14] very small. So there's a lot of places
[12:16] you could put that.
[12:18] So these dogs, you know, Tango will go
[12:20] on scene with me and help us he
[12:23] sometimes will do pre-searches is what
[12:25] we call it. So he'll you know,
[12:26] investigators will say hey, we just want
[12:28] him to search the room before we go in
[12:30] there. You know, there may not be what
[12:31] we call plain view devices sitting in
[12:34] the open. So you might go in a room and
[12:35] there's not laptops sitting in the open.
[12:37] There's not a bunch of devices sitting
[12:38] out. So investigators will say hey, can
[12:40] you let Tango work the room and let him
[12:43] indicate and tell us where devices may
[12:44] be located within the room. Sometimes
[12:47] he'll do post searches too. Meaning
[12:49] investigators will go into a room and
[12:51] they'll search it. And they'll pull
[12:54] devices out, you know, they'll they'll
[12:55] take the plain view devices sitting in
[12:57] the open. They'll search the drawers,
[12:59] you know, under the bed whatever to find
[13:01] what they want to what what they can
[13:02] locate and then they'll have Tango
[13:04] search after the fact to make sure we
[13:06] did not miss anything.
[13:08] Happens regularly. We're humans and
[13:10] that's kind of why we have these dogs,
[13:11] you know, one we just may completely
[13:13] miss something
[13:15] that's not in our normal eye or where it
[13:16] may be hidden. You know, suspects will
[13:18] generally will hide this stuff on a
[13:20] regular basis so we don't find it. You
[13:23] know, because they know we we may be
[13:25] looking for it at some point. You know.
[13:27] >> What's the most complex type of area
[13:29] you've, you know, you've taken Tango to
[13:31] and you found something and you were
[13:32] like, "Whoa, what a trip."
[13:35] >> Yeah, I'm trying to think um
[13:39] Honestly,
[13:40] I don't remember for sure and some of
[13:42] those pictures I think you can tell just
[13:45] what the rooms look like. You know, many
[13:47] of the rooms
[13:47] >> of messy. I noticed that they're
[13:49] Yeah, I noticed that they tend to Is
[13:50] that like a correlation you see with
[13:52] these these predators type, you know,
[13:55] >> these Yes, I I would say a lot of the
[13:57] correlation is I mean I I've probably
[13:59] Tango has been deployed on a little over
[14:01] 120 searches probably in his career and
[14:04] I'd say about 95% of them the houses are
[14:06] pretty, you know, cluttered and and a
[14:09] lot of stuff, you know, kind of hoarded
[14:11] up or just stuff laying all over the
[14:13] place. So, just his
[14:15] ability to work in those environments is
[14:17] great. Um
[14:19] just just to give you some examples of
[14:21] stuff, you know, that he found, you
[14:24] know, in environments like that. I mean,
[14:26] really early on in his career, probably
[14:29] the first few months, he was working a
[14:31] very cluttered bedroom, a lot of stuff.
[14:34] He indicated on this little box
[14:37] and the investigators opened it up and
[14:40] I'm still a new handler at this point,
[14:41] you know, and and there's a pen inside
[14:43] of it. And I was thinking at first,
[14:46] being a new handler, oh, he's false
[14:49] indicating on me is what we call it. You
[14:51] know, he's telling me there's something
[14:52] there and there's not. But, I reverted
[14:54] back to the training that they train us
[14:55] in and said, "Trust your dog." You know,
[14:57] the dog trust what the dog's telling
[15:00] you. So, we looked at the
[15:03] the pen a little bit more and we took it
[15:04] apart and then it was actually a camera.
[15:07] In the very tip of the pen, the clicker
[15:09] was a pen in the very top. There's a
[15:11] little micro SD card that was inside of
[15:12] it.
[15:13] So, that just was an interesting find of
[15:15] his. Um
[15:17] I could tell you another example.
[15:20] We call them Excuse me.
[15:22] >> [clears throat]
[15:22] >> We call them second offenders. So,
[15:24] meaning that they have already been
[15:25] convicted of some form of child crime or
[15:28] a sex offense in the past, and they've,
[15:30] you know, served their time in in
[15:32] prison, and they're back out again, you
[15:34] know, in society.
[15:35] Um and then they're being
[15:36] reinvestigated, you know, for for
[15:38] another violation of uh sex offense or a
[15:40] child crime. Um so, we call them second
[15:42] offenders. I um I executed a search
[15:44] warrant one time
[15:46] um with a local and a state agency. Uh
[15:48] room again, very very cluttered, nothing
[15:50] in the open. They didn't see anything,
[15:52] and they did do a pre-search. Uh never
[15:54] found anything. So, we ran Tango in the
[15:57] room, and uh the only thing he indicated
[15:59] on in the room was a clothes hamper.
[16:01] Um I rewarded him, you
[16:03] moved him out of the room, put him back
[16:05] in the car, and when we went
[16:06] investigators went back in and searched
[16:07] it, I I uh I was actually physically the
[16:09] one that picked the clothes hamper up,
[16:11] and it's full of stuff. It's full of
[16:13] trash, clothing, you know, dirty
[16:16] underwear, stuff none of us want to
[16:18] touch even with gloves, you know. And
[16:20] the investigators are like, "Ugh, you
[16:21] know, we don't want to touch that." So,
[16:22] we pick up the clothes hamper, and we
[16:23] dumped it out, and it was almost like a
[16:25] scene from a movie, you know, the last
[16:27] thing that falls out of the clothes
[16:29] hamper was a cell phone. And because it
[16:32] was um facing upward, the screen a lot
[16:35] of our phones, you know, modern phones
[16:36] have face recognition, and they try to
[16:37] unlock with a phone with a face, it hits
[16:40] it sees us, our faces, looking at it,
[16:42] and it tries to unlock itself cuz it's
[16:44] trying to do face recognition, and it
[16:45] was powered on. Um so, uh they
[16:48] interviewed that that suspect, and that
[16:50] suspect admitted when he heard the
[16:52] police at the door knocking um for the
[16:54] search warrant that he tried to hide
[16:56] that and throw it in that nasty clothes
[16:57] hamper so we wouldn't find it. Uh now
[16:59] that that we told him the dog found it,
[17:01] he he admitted that he hid that. So,
[17:03] just in vi- that's just, you know, two
[17:05] examples of interesting finds that he
[17:07] has had. Um
[17:09] he's had many like that, though, you
[17:11] know what I mean? Where it's it's if we
[17:12] did not have him, we more than likely
[17:15] would have never found the device we
[17:16] were looking for. You know, we would
[17:18] have completely missed it.
[17:20] >> Yeah, that's huge. I mean, you're you're
[17:21] talking about this difference of of
[17:23] justice and not justice.
[17:25] When when Tango comes in I mean, you're
[17:27] getting a case and and and you likely
[17:30] had evidence on it, right? I mean, we're
[17:31] not hiding our phones for no reason. I'm
[17:33] not you know, speculating or anything.
[17:36] >> Yeah, sometimes I get it. Yeah,
[17:38] sometimes I do get it relayed to me
[17:39] later on like, "Hey, what he found had
[17:41] evidence." Well, then sometimes I don't.
[17:42] But,
[17:42] >> Yeah.
[17:43] >> wouldn't disagree with you there. If
[17:44] you're hiding it in
[17:45] >> [laughter]
[17:45] >> If you're trying to hide it from us,
[17:46] there's probably going to be something
[17:47] of interest to us, you know, of
[17:49] evidentiary value is going to be on the
[17:51] device most likely. So,
[17:53] >> So, you know you know I was going to ask
[17:55] this and uh if you can't share, that's
[17:58] okay. But, what's the the biggest or
[18:00] most impactful case
[18:02] you've worked on with Tango? And it
[18:04] doesn't necessarily need to be,
[18:06] you know, headline worthy or you know,
[18:08] had been in the news. But, I would say a
[18:11] case that would yield a significant
[18:15] uh conviction and sentencing, you know,
[18:18] cuz I I remember when I worked in law
[18:20] enforcement, there were folks that would
[18:22] uh commit sex crimes and they would end
[18:25] up with 200 plus years, you know? I have
[18:28] my opinions on when we get to a certain
[18:30] threshold, I don't know what we're
[18:31] doing, you know what I mean? [laughter]
[18:32] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[18:33] >> But, but in essence,
[18:35] they would go to prison and their
[18:36] sentence would be 200 years, right? And
[18:38] you would see like, you know, 60 counts
[18:40] of this this this and this and this. Do
[18:43] you have any case that you and Tango
[18:45] worked on where you can go, "Hey, yeah,
[18:47] this was the the
[18:49] >> Yeah. I I do say Is there some that have
[18:52] have held way longer sentences than
[18:54] others? Yes. I always say that every
[18:56] single one of them is impactful. You
[18:58] know what I mean?
[18:59] >> Right.
[18:59] >> Every child, doesn't matter whether it's
[19:01] one image of of child exploitation
[19:03] material or, you know, or 10,000 or
[19:07] you know, 500,000.
[19:09] Um
[19:10] that child, whether we know who they are
[19:12] in that image or video is a victim. You
[19:14] know what I mean? And and They will
[19:15] they're still being victimized by these
[19:18] by these individuals, you know,
[19:21] even if the video pictures, you know,
[19:23] 20, 30 years old. You know, they're
[19:25] still being victimized by these
[19:26] individuals. So I would say every single
[19:28] case that we're involved with or Tang's
[19:30] found stuff is heavily impactful. You
[19:32] know,
[19:34] it can matter, you know.
[19:36] But there there has been obviously cases
[19:37] that he's dealt with, you know, not to
[19:39] give case information out or or word and
[19:41] they've been sentenced already, but you
[19:43] know, probably federal cases, you know,
[19:45] cases involving
[19:47] the federal level, FBI, stuff like that,
[19:50] you know, Department of Homeland
[19:51] Security. Obviously the cases that
[19:52] they're handling are going to be a lot
[19:54] higher level than the local police. You
[19:56] know, so just
[19:58] he has found I remember a case
[20:02] probably two, three years ago now
[20:04] that he found some SD cards that were
[20:06] not initially found during a search for
[20:08] a federal case and that individual was
[20:11] convicted, I think,
[20:13] just recently in the last about the last
[20:15] year and he got 30 30 to 40 years in
[20:18] prison.
[20:20] He but he was a hands-on offender also,
[20:23] you know, we call hands-on offenders
[20:24] mean that they're not just possessing or
[20:28] you know, distributing
[20:31] child sexual exploitation material.
[20:33] They're also either manufacturing it
[20:34] themselves with with a child victim. So
[20:37] we call them, you know, hands-on
[20:38] offenders, hands-on sex offenders.
[20:41] Probably a case, you know, similar cases
[20:42] like that usually at the federal level
[20:44] where he's found stuff and those
[20:45] individuals are getting convicted to,
[20:47] you know, like I said, 30, 40 and
[20:48] sometimes you like you're saying you I
[20:50] mean it could be like 100 years, you
[20:51] know, sometimes you see them which like,
[20:53] well, you know, maybe not in our
[20:55] lifetime maybe they'll figure out how
[20:56] humans can live that long but you know,
[20:58] so but yeah, I always say that they're
[21:00] every single one no matter, you know,
[21:02] what level it is, whether it's a local
[21:03] police level or all the way up to
[21:05] federal, you know, they're all
[21:07] can be heavily impactful, you know, and
[21:09] can make a make a big big difference,
[21:11] you know, in society.
[21:13] >> I just hope people can understand and
[21:17] just really see
[21:19] how important the work you guys do is.
[21:22] Cuz this is going on like crazy.
[21:26] I mean, it is constant. So, I when I
[21:28] when I was working at the
[21:29] the local police department here that I
[21:31] worked for, I was at the school I was a
[21:32] school resource officer. So, you can
[21:34] imagine I would get those Nick Mick
[21:37] Yeah. Pretty often.
[21:39] Yeah, they would come through for the
[21:40] for the students at the school. You
[21:41] know, the school only had
[21:43] you know, at the time probably 2,500
[21:44] students.
[21:46] And that that that's just like a like a
[21:48] little island, right? And I remember the
[21:50] amount of tips and stuff that would come
[21:51] in. And I I think about you. So, York
[21:53] County
[21:55] So, are you guys covering several
[21:56] different like little municipalities?
[21:59] I mean, what's going on? Like so, over
[22:01] here, you know, in Arizona, especially
[22:03] where I'm at in Southern Arizona, you
[22:04] have every municipality has its own
[22:06] police department for the most part. And
[22:08] then we have the county sheriff that
[22:09] covers like the rural rural areas and
[22:12] whatnot and the unincorporated spots.
[22:13] But, are you guys covering a a bunch of
[22:15] different things? Cuz it says regional
[22:17] >> so, the majority of Pennsylvania is
[22:19] similar to Arizona then, you know, that
[22:21] there are single municipality police
[22:23] departments, whether it's a township, a
[22:24] borough, you know, is being covered by
[22:26] their own police.
[22:28] There has been this trend, I'd say,
[22:30] across some counties in Pennsylvania.
[22:32] There's the regional police departments
[22:34] exist, which is
[22:36] what I work for. And it the only way to
[22:37] describe it is it's kind of like a
[22:39] county police department. So, that's why
[22:41] our you know, our our departmental name
[22:44] is York County Regional Police. What
[22:46] happens is is these municipalities kind
[22:48] of come together and say, "Hey, we want
[22:50] to have a one single police department
[22:52] together." You know, so, there
[22:54] we cover, I'd say,
[22:56] a little less than half of York County.
[22:59] There's There's of regional agencies in
[23:01] York County. There's another one very
[23:03] similar size to us that covers a big a
[23:05] large majority of the county also. And
[23:06] then there is still single
[23:07] municipalities that exist
[23:10] across the Pennsylvania, you know,
[23:12] across York County MPA that that is
[23:13] still covered by single municipal police
[23:15] departments. I don't know if it's like
[23:16] this in Arizona. Any of the
[23:18] municipalities that don't have a local
[23:19] police are covered by the state police.
[23:22] There's there's a lot of rural area, if
[23:24] you've ever been to Pennsylvania, you
[23:26] know, very very rural area in some parts
[23:28] of the state, you know, mountain area
[23:30] that there's residential or resident you
[23:32] know, population size is very very
[23:34] small. You know, so they just don't
[23:35] afford or don't have their own local
[23:37] police and the state police covers any
[23:38] area that is not doesn't have a local
[23:41] police covering it.
[23:42] >> Oh, wow. Yeah, that's a little different
[23:43] here. So here the county the counties
[23:46] would cover those areas
[23:47] that don't have like their own municipal
[23:49] municipal police. And then the state
[23:51] police, we call them the state troopers,
[23:53] so we can't get that wrong here. That
[23:54] changes.
[23:55] >> [laughter]
[23:55] >> Don't you call them police?
[23:58] >> The state troopers, you know, they they
[23:59] ride the highways here.
[24:01] And that's pretty much the only time
[24:02] they leave that is you know, they do
[24:04] have some specific units the state
[24:06] police does.
[24:08] You know, like
[24:09] auto theft task force,
[24:11] gang stuff, and some drug you know, drug
[24:14] operations stuff that they work on. But
[24:16] for the most part our state troopers
[24:18] stick to the highways. So you know, some
[24:21] of those folks that work in the local or
[24:22] worked in the local police would would
[24:24] make remarks about that because they
[24:26] would be like, "Oh, they left the
[24:27] highway. It's not our problem." You
[24:28] know,
[24:29] >> [laughter]
[24:31] >> or done. So but yeah, I thought it was
[24:33] interesting. I was kind of curious about
[24:34] how you guys were set up out there.
[24:36] >> Yeah, so you and you you touched on
[24:38] this. The the amount of like cyber tips,
[24:40] you know, you were saying you got them
[24:41] in the school, you know, with the SROs.
[24:43] It's unfortunate, but we do get a lot,
[24:45] you know,
[24:46] I I know there's like large cities, you
[24:48] know, that are getting
[24:50] thousands and thousands a year, you
[24:52] know, they're getting assigned to them.
[24:54] I I there's a dog a out to K9 ESD K9
[24:57] Chewie out in California. Um I know
[25:01] there's another dog out in that area,
[25:02] but there's you know heavily populated
[25:04] county out there. They're running as far
[25:06] as I would
[25:07] as far as I know,
[25:08] they're running multiple warrants a
[25:10] week, you know, and that's how many tips
[25:12] they're probably getting in cases that
[25:13] they're That's just an example I can
[25:15] give is I know they're they're a heavily
[25:17] active K9 team, you know what I mean?
[25:18] They're They're out all the time you
[25:21] know, for stuff. So some areas just more
[25:22] busy than others, you know, they have
[25:24] more population size and obviously
[25:25] cities are going to get more of these
[25:26] tips, but you know, it it is a lot. It's
[25:28] a large influx. And you know, there's
[25:31] some ESPs we're getting more tips from
[25:35] than others, you know,
[25:37] ESPs again meaning electronic service
[25:38] providers like you know,
[25:40] Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, etc. We
[25:42] were just actually at the child crimes
[25:44] conference, ICAC conference in
[25:46] Pennsylvania um
[25:48] about a week or two ago and we had some
[25:51] Roblox was there and TikTok and
[25:52] Snapchat, they all spoke to us and I
[25:54] always I will say um
[25:56] listening to them speak to us, the
[25:57] representatives, they are making
[26:00] an effort to make a high effort to make
[26:03] their platform safe, you know, they
[26:05] don't want this stuff going on on their
[26:07] platforms. You know, I've heard a lot of
[26:09] times, you know,
[26:11] out in public or whatever, you know,
[26:12] it's just
[26:13] uh you know, this platform sucks because
[26:16] they let this stuff go on all the time
[26:17] or they don't care.
[26:19] Are there platforms like that that exist
[26:21] out there? Absolutely, there's platforms
[26:22] that do not care, you know, and they're
[26:24] or they're not cooperative with law
[26:25] enforcement, etc.
[26:27] >> What would What would be one of those?
[26:28] What would be one of those that you
[26:29] would say, "Hey
[26:31] and it's sorry to interrupt
[26:32] >> to mind immediately is Telegram.
[26:34] >> Telegram
[26:34] >> Telegram
[26:36] is one that that exists that is the one
[26:38] I would stay far away from it.
[26:41] Um you know, there's a lot of child
[26:42] exploitation material that gets thrown
[26:44] across that platform and they're they're
[26:46] overall not cooperative with law
[26:47] enforcement. Uh they had a lot of legal
[26:49] troubles um
[26:51] in the past few years. I know I don't
[26:54] know if it's, you know, the creators of
[26:55] it or the owners, but somebody involved
[26:57] in the higher echelon of Telegram, you
[27:00] know, was arrested, I think, in France
[27:02] or I know it was in Europe
[27:04] um within the last few years because
[27:05] they weren't cooperating with law
[27:07] enforcement. They will at their very
[27:10] bare minimum now, you know, only because
[27:12] they're required by certain laws that
[27:14] they have to, but they won't cooperate
[27:16] and give you They won't give you
[27:17] anything they're not required to give
[27:19] you. We'll tell you that.
[27:20] >> Right. So, you'll need search warrants
[27:21] to get anything.
[27:23] >> Yeah. Yeah, if you're even with a search
[27:24] warrant, you're you're
[27:26] you're not getting a lot, you know,
[27:28] of substance back from them. But, the
[27:29] majority of the ones, you know, that
[27:31] that ever I'd say, you know, the
[27:33] everyday user uses, you know, that we
[27:35] like to to say is, you know, the the
[27:37] Instagrams, the Facebooks, the
[27:38] Snapchats, you know, um this stuff goes
[27:40] on on their platforms, obviously, but I
[27:42] always say they don't want it going on
[27:44] on their platforms, you know, they're
[27:45] doing their best to try to combat it
[27:48] occurring on their platforms and remove
[27:50] the users and and assist law
[27:52] enforcement. You know, most of them are
[27:54] very, very cooperative with us to to to
[27:56] investigate these things to make sure
[27:58] that we are either finding the suspects,
[28:00] you know, and they again, they don't
[28:01] want them on the platform, either, you
[28:03] know.
[28:03] >> Right. Right. Well, I I as as when I was
[28:06] working, so this would have been like
[28:07] 2019-20,
[28:09] I found those platforms pretty
[28:10] supportive in general, too. I had a
[28:12] couple of drug cases that I worked in
[28:15] sent in search warrant stuff for it, and
[28:17] they sent
[28:18] just an insane amount of data. I was
[28:20] very surprised.
[28:21] >> Yeah, sometimes sometimes they'll just
[28:22] send you like everything they got for it
[28:24] because again, they don't want they
[28:26] don't want criminal Yeah, they don't
[28:27] want criminal activity occurring on
[28:29] their platform, you know, they they
[28:30] don't.
[28:31] Um and and I would say
[28:33] like I said, they've made some of the
[28:34] ones that had a lot of issues in the
[28:36] last few years have made a a big effort
[28:39] to combat and make changes to to make it
[28:42] better. I mean, what was it, a year or
[28:44] two ago that TikTok had that like week
[28:46] shut down in the United States but
[28:48] completely shut the platform off, you
[28:50] know, and it's obviously back up and
[28:51] running now but it's because they made
[28:53] changes. You know, they started to make
[28:54] some changes on their platform to to
[28:56] make it safer, you know, you know.
[28:58] I have seen a decrease in cyber tips
[29:01] from from, you know, just TikTok alone
[29:04] ever since those changes were being
[29:06] made, you know, which is a good thing,
[29:08] you know, the less we're seeing that
[29:09] means the less of this type of stuff
[29:10] exploitation stuff is going on on their
[29:12] platform, you know.
[29:13] >> Right, right. Okay, so we're getting
[29:14] close to the end here. So I got I just
[29:15] have a couple more questions for you if
[29:17] you got time. Uh the first one is is ESD
[29:20] dogs like Tango, are you seeing more
[29:23] getting trained and
[29:25] are you seeing police departments
[29:26] throughout the US
[29:28] hoping to get
[29:30] a Tango cuz from what I remember from
[29:32] your presentation,
[29:34] there's not a ton of them. There's not a
[29:35] lot of them.
[29:36] >> Yeah.
[29:37] Yeah, I'd say there's a little over 300
[29:38] of them. It's
[29:39] >> In the whole country?
[29:40] >> Don't quote me on numbers. The ones that
[29:41] I know of.
[29:42] >> Yeah, yeah.
[29:43] >> There's a little over 300 and that's
[29:44] across the world. Um the majority are in
[29:46] the United States but there is uh again,
[29:49] there may be dogs that that that are out
[29:51] there that I don't know that exist but
[29:52] the ones that I know that are out there
[29:53] is about a little over 300 across the
[29:55] world and uh the majority are in the
[29:57] United States but there is dogs that
[29:58] they're putting out, you know, in
[30:00] Canada, in South America, in Asia,
[30:02] Europe, etc. And they try to get these
[30:04] dogs out to these these law enforcements
[30:07] uh across the world because this stuff
[30:08] is obviously not just occurring in the
[30:09] United States. Um yeah, so I'd say
[30:12] there's a little over 300 and and yes,
[30:13] there has been a large increase uh in in
[30:16] the the need or the want for these dogs.
[30:18] Tango was the 54th trained dog with
[30:20] Jordan Detection K9s. He was kind of
[30:22] early on. Now there're a little over 300
[30:23] trained through them.
[30:25] Um so um
[30:26] he's not he's not an OG dog, I'd say,
[30:29] yet. Yet but the trainers might say he's
[30:32] starting to get in the OG world now.
[30:34] Uh he starts but they um
[30:37] Yes, there there's more and more
[30:38] agencies wanting them and putting in for
[30:40] them.
[30:41] Um
[30:42] obviously there's, you know, there's
[30:43] probably more putting in than we have,
[30:45] you know, that are being trained, you
[30:46] know, so um, I know they're trying to do
[30:49] their best to get dogs because there's
[30:51] still states that don't have them, you
[30:53] know, that we know that don't even have
[30:54] them yet. So I know they're trying to
[30:55] they're trying their best to get these
[30:57] K9s and at least get one in every state,
[31:00] you know, as best they can and more, you
[31:02] know, than they can, especially in
[31:03] larger states like Pennsylvania we have,
[31:05] I think
[31:06] uh,
[31:07] eight or nine of them now
[31:09] um, across the state of Pennsylvania
[31:10] because it's a large state, you know
[31:12] what I mean? We try to cover cover the
[31:13] area as best we can.
[31:15] >> Right, right. So the organization that
[31:17] trains these dogs, can you remind us who
[31:19] that is again and how do how do how do
[31:21] regular
[31:22] citizens support these guys?
[31:25] >> Yeah, so Tango was trained at Jordan
[31:27] Detection K9 in Indiana. Um, he has a
[31:29] website you can get on there and kind of
[31:31] read about the dogs. So Tango's also
[31:33] sponsored by a company called Our
[31:35] Rescue.
[31:36] Um, Our Rescue sponsors
[31:38] uh, I think it's a little over over 150
[31:41] of the dogs um, across the world. They
[31:43] have a couple dogs in in in different
[31:45] uh, continents that they that they
[31:47] sponsor.
[31:48] Um,
[31:49] so
[31:50] they support these ESD dogs and they
[31:53] also support law enforcement just in um,
[31:57] different stuff like forensic stuff. For
[31:59] example, I I just was recently certified
[32:01] in the computer forensic world. So I
[32:03] just recently became a computer forensic
[32:04] examiner uh, and they they sponsor me to
[32:07] go there also. Um, they're a non-profit
[32:09] organization, everything is donated to
[32:11] them by donors. Um, so they're
[32:13] supporting these dogs and and law
[32:16] enforcement across the world just by
[32:17] people donating to them. Um, you can go
[32:20] to their website ourrescue.org,
[32:23] uh, it's and donate to them and and you
[32:25] can support the K9s on there. There's a
[32:27] donation spot on there or just donate
[32:29] for other, you know, like I said, for
[32:31] other law enforcement
[32:35] support like digital forensic support,
[32:37] digital forensic software, anybody
[32:39] that's been involved in that world that
[32:40] might be listening knows that stuff's
[32:42] extremely expensive. You know, it's very
[32:44] very very expensive the the stuff that
[32:46] that involves that the world of digital
[32:48] forensic. So, yeah, they they support
[32:50] about 150 of the dogs
[32:52] across the world and they're great.
[32:54] They're an amazing organization and
[32:56] their their really their
[32:58] biggest mission is to combat human
[33:01] trafficking and child exploitation. You
[33:03] know, that's their biggest mission is to
[33:05] do that and and they're doing that
[33:06] day-to-day, you know, by supporting
[33:08] local law or supporting law enforcement
[33:10] and the dogs and and and, you know,
[33:12] digital forensics world, etc.
[33:14] >> [snorts]
[33:15] >> Thank you. Yeah, so hey listeners,
[33:16] viewers, if you're looking for, you
[33:18] know, that the season of giving is is
[33:20] upon us here. It's the the end of the
[33:22] year. Uh let's support our rescue. Let's
[33:24] let's go ahead and do that and and let's
[33:26] make a let's keep this impact going.
[33:28] This is great work, Jesse. Hey, here's
[33:31] here's my favorite part about the
[33:32] presentation. Not only I mean, you're
[33:34] awesome, dude. I don't know if this was
[33:36] your first show or not, but you you just
[33:37] you crushed it and props to you for
[33:39] coming on and taking time to join us. I
[33:41] know you have a busy schedule.
[33:42] >> lot of different presentations like you
[33:44] the one you were at before, but yeah,
[33:45] first show. First podcast show.
[33:47] >> Hey, congratulations. Hey, glad that it
[33:48] was with me and this is the first one.
[33:51] Yeah, this is the How cool is
[33:52] networking, right? We we never met
[33:54] before. We go to this conference and now
[33:56] we're on a show together.
[33:58] >> Yeah, it is great. It really is. That's
[34:00] some some of the best things you could
[34:01] do in this world is to network, you
[34:02] know.
[34:02] >> Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I'll
[34:04] and I'll make sure to keep in touch with
[34:05] you. So, you know, maybe we make this
[34:07] happen every couple months and and get
[34:08] an update on what's going on in the
[34:10] crime world on the internet.
[34:12] The coolest The coolest thing though,
[34:16] Tango has an Instagram.
[34:18] >> He does, yeah.
[34:19] Yeah, he does he does have an Instagram.
[34:21] Yeah, you can follow him you can follow
[34:23] him
[34:24] on there. It's ESD K9 _ Tango. So, you
[34:28] can get on there and follow him.
[34:30] We try to keep him up-to-date, you know,
[34:32] what I mean, on what what he's doing
[34:33] here and there. Uh, there's a lot of
[34:35] real world photos on there. You know
[34:37] what I mean? If him if him on scenes and
[34:39] and finding stuff, some cute pictures,
[34:40] you know, just stuff he's doing.
[34:42] >> Let me get him up in here real quick.
[34:43] Come here.
[34:43] >> Yeah, let's let's see let's see Tango.
[34:46] >> He was asleep on the floor.
[34:48] >> [laughter]
[34:49] >> Oh, he's he's got his big stretch going
[34:50] here.
[34:51] >> Aw.
[34:52] I'm jealous. I wish that was me.
[34:55] Aw, there's Tango.
[34:58] Hi Tango.
[34:59] >> There he is.
[35:00] >> Aw, look at that.
[35:00] >> been sleeping on the floor. He's like,
[35:01] come on now, why you waking me up?
[35:03] >> [laughter]
[35:04] >> Been working hard. Look at that. Aw, how
[35:06] cute.
[35:07] I love it. I love it. Yeah, so hey, go
[35:09] follow Tango's Instagram. How cool is
[35:11] that that you can go and just keep you
[35:13] know, keep checking I'm a follower now.
[35:15] I don't know if you saw that.
[35:16] >> Yeah, it's it is great. It's
[35:18] >> [laughter]
[35:18] >> it's fun to be able to like just kind of
[35:20] keep out there what he's what he's doing
[35:22] and you know what I mean? And I I know
[35:23] there's a lot of hey, follow a lot of
[35:24] the other ones. There's a lot of yeah,
[35:25] the ESD dogs do have their own social
[35:27] media and and uh, that are on there that
[35:29] are constantly, you know, putting out
[35:31] there what they're doing day-to-day and
[35:34] and some trainings for parents, you
[35:36] know, for for what apps to stay away
[35:39] from or what apps to be cautious of,
[35:41] etc. You know, we're always trying to
[35:42] put some good information out there.
[35:44] >> Right, right. So hey, I say the next one
[35:45] we do, if you're cool with it, uh, maybe
[35:48] next time sometime next month or
[35:49] December, if you can, let's talk about
[35:52] apps and let's let's just do like a
[35:55] parents awareness thing. We're going to
[35:56] come in towards the end of semester. I
[35:58] think it's great
[35:59] something some information to put out. I
[36:01] think you have a lot of knowledge in
[36:03] those apps and and what to look for and
[36:04] what to stay away from. I think it'd be
[36:06] cool if you're interested. So just let
[36:07] me know. You don't have to answer that
[36:08] today, but yeah, just let me know what
[36:10] you
[36:10] >> No, I think it's great. I think I think
[36:13] just educate that's what you can do the
[36:15] best is educate people. You know what I
[36:16] mean? Just educate parents and and uh,
[36:19] a lot of a lot of it falls back on that
[36:22] alone, you know, what I mean? Just
[36:24] educating everybody on
[36:26] to make it all it'll only get better if
[36:28] we if we know. You know, there's many
[36:30] times I talk to parents and stuff, they
[36:31] don't even know what the apps are, you
[36:33] know, or what occurs on them or they or
[36:34] they didn't know. They just thought it
[36:36] was, hey, you know, they're on there
[36:38] watching videos, innocent videos, you
[36:39] know, and they don't realize really
[36:40] what's going on platforms sometimes. So,
[36:43] yeah, just education will just make the
[36:45] the world safer for all of the kids, you
[36:46] know.
[36:47] >> Yeah, I think it's I think I've seen
[36:49] this saying and I'll probably get this
[36:50] wrong cuz I you know, I just probably
[36:52] will.
[36:53] But it's like when you give your
[36:54] children, you know, you think they have
[36:55] the world in their hands, but the world
[36:57] has them.
[36:59] Yeah, when you when you get the phone
[37:00] give the phone to a kid. So, I I hear
[37:02] that statement. I'm like, oh man, that's
[37:04] that's the truth. So, but hey
[37:06] >> I always have a slide in the in internet
[37:08] safety talk I give that it's a picture
[37:10] of the world and there's a bunch of
[37:11] fingers touching the world. And the
[37:14] point of there's no words on the slide
[37:15] and I always say that that all that
[37:17] slide means is that when you give a
[37:19] phone or the internet access to a kid,
[37:21] the world is at the tip of their
[37:22] fingers.
[37:23] >> Yeah. Oh man, yeah. Well, hey, thank you
[37:25] so much for joining us from York County.
[37:28] It's been a pleasure and I look forward
[37:29] to talking to you again soon. You know,
[37:32] stay safe out there. You are in that in
[37:34] that world of law enforcement. So,
[37:36] and keep doing the man, this is the work
[37:38] you do, you and Tango. I can't thank you
[37:41] enough.
[37:42] >> Yeah, thanks Dave. Thanks for having us
[37:44] on. We had a good time. Yeah, we'll
[37:45] definitely get together again and do it
[37:46] again.
[37:46] >> Okay. Well, take care. Hey everybody,
[37:48] we're going to go to break. When we get
[37:49] back, we're going to go over a couple
[37:50] stories here locally and some tech
[37:53] stuff. So,
[37:55] we'll see you again shortly.
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