Nightline (ABC) - 2009-02-24

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[0:04] Tonight, on Nightline, Mr. President, a

[0:07] ravaged economy, uncertainty overseas,

[0:09] and a new president elected to fix it

[0:12] all. Tonight, he speaks to Congress and

[0:14] the world, but can he restore hope to a

[0:17] nation short on confidence? George

[0:19] Stephanopoulos is here with the

[0:21] Nightline report card. And great

[0:23] awakening, he is a spiritual teacher to

[0:26] the stars, from Paris Hilton to Oprah

[0:28] Winfrey. Nightline has a rare interview

[0:31] with Eckhart Tolle and his keys for

[0:33] saving yourself and the planet. Plus,

[0:36] baby daddy at just 13 years old, this

[0:39] British boy says he is a proud papa. We

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[0:44] reignited the teen pregnancy debate.

[0:49] From the global resources of ABC News,

[0:51] with Terry Moran in Washington, Martin

[0:54] Bashir and Cynthia McFadden in New York

[0:56] City, this is Nightline, February 24,

[1:00] 2009.

[1:02] Good evening, everyone. I'm Terry Moran.

[1:04] It was a big and bold speech by a new

[1:08] president facing deep challenges and

[1:10] huge expectations, delivered at a

[1:12] crucial moment when the country's been

[1:14] battered by talk of bailouts and the

[1:16] reality, the harsh reality of recession.

[1:19] And while President Barack Obama didn't

[1:22] sugarcoat it, and found bad guys on Wall

[1:24] Street and in Washington, he did try to

[1:27] strike an optimistic tone and a hopeful

[1:30] note. That with patience and personal

[1:32] responsibility and by working together,

[1:34] the country can prevail and thrive.

[1:39] The President of the United States

[1:41] President Obama made his grand entrance

[1:43] into the House chamber, and here too, he

[1:46] got mobbed.

[1:50] Mr. Obama came to the capital riding a

[1:52] honeymoon wave of popularity as a nation

[1:55] racked with economic anxieties looks for

[1:57] leadership. But he also faced a deeply

[1:59] divided Congress with Republicans so far

[2:02] almost united in opposition.

[2:04] For a moment, though, the splendor of

[2:06] American democracy on display. Madam

[2:09] Speaker

[2:11] Mr. Vice President

[2:13] members of Congress

[2:16] the First Lady of the United States The

[2:18] preliminaries over, the president got

[2:20] right down to business, the recession.

[2:23] You don't need to hear another list of

[2:25] statistics to know that our economy is

[2:27] in crisis

[2:28] because you live it every day.

[2:31] It's the worry you wake up with and the

[2:33] source of sleepless nights.

[2:36] President Obama has been criticized for

[2:38] being too pessimistic, for talking down

[2:40] the economy. So, right off the top

[2:42] tonight, he sounded a new, confident

[2:45] theme.

[2:46] We will rebuild. We will recover, and

[2:49] the United States of America will emerge

[2:52] stronger than before.

[2:54] His goal tonight was explanatory, tell

[2:58] the country how we got here, how we'll

[3:00] get out. We have known for decades that

[3:03] our survival depends on finding new

[3:05] sources of energy. Yet, we import more

[3:07] oil today than ever before.

[3:10] The cost of health care eats up more and

[3:12] more of our savings each year.

[3:14] Yet, we keep delaying reform.

[3:17] Our children will compete for jobs in a

[3:18] global economy that too many of our

[3:20] schools do not prepare them for.

[3:23] The answer, the president argued, go

[3:25] big, big plans, big changes.

[3:29] Now is the time to act boldly and

[3:31] wisely.

[3:33] To not only revive this economy, but to

[3:35] build a new foundation for lasting

[3:37] prosperity.

[3:39] He spoke to a Congress dominated by

[3:41] Democrats. This was the friendly crowd

[3:43] that passed his economic stimulus

[3:45] package. President Obama faced a huge

[3:48] challenge tonight, explain his plan for

[3:50] the banks and get people to like it.

[3:53] With taxpayers already on the hook for

[3:55] more than a trillion dollars and the

[3:57] banks still staggering, the president

[3:59] said he will not let the financial

[4:01] system fail.

[4:03] We will act with the full force of the

[4:05] federal government to ensure that the

[4:07] major banks that Americans depend on

[4:09] have enough confidence and enough money

[4:11] to weather even more difficult times.

[4:14] But there is so much anger out there,

[4:16] anger at the banks and at Wall Street,

[4:18] anger that could undermine his plan, and

[4:21] he recognizes it. This time CEOs won't

[4:24] be able to use taxpayer money to pad

[4:26] their paychecks or buy fancy drinks or

[4:29] disappear on a private jet. Those days

[4:31] are over.

[4:34] The anger extends to the government,

[4:37] too, to the system that's burdened the

[4:39] country with ballooning deficits and so

[4:41] much waste. And President Obama sought

[4:44] to tap into that anger, too. Everyone in

[4:47] this chamber

[4:48] Democrats and Republicans

[4:50] will have to sacrifice some worthy

[4:52] priorities for which there are no

[4:54] dollars.

[4:55] And that includes me. There was hope in

[4:58] this speech, hope in a grand Obama

[5:01] vision of a new energy future, a new

[5:03] health care future, a new education

[5:05] future for the country. None of this

[5:07] will come without cost, nor will it be

[5:09] easy.

[5:11] But this is America.

[5:12] We don't do what's easy.

[5:14] We do what's necessary to move this

[5:16] country forward.

[5:17] Mr. Obama has sought bipartisan

[5:19] cooperation, but it was clear tonight a

[5:22] gulf still separates him from

[5:24] Republicans. Listen to their applause on

[5:26] this line.

[5:27] There is, of course, another

[5:28] responsibility we have to our children.

[5:31] And that's the responsibility to ensure

[5:33] that we do not pass on to them a debt

[5:36] they cannot pay.

[5:40] That is critical.

[5:43] But the president plowed on, unfazed,

[5:45] tweaking the Republicans for their

[5:47] fiscal stewardship. With the deficit we

[5:50] inherited

[5:52] the cost

[5:59] And then, as presidents do, he sought to

[6:01] rally all Americans with the stories of

[6:04] a few he'd invited to the capital,

[6:06] including a girl from South Carolina

[6:08] whose school is a shambles and who wrote

[6:10] the Congress and the president with a

[6:12] request for money to rebuild it. The

[6:15] letter asked

[6:16] us

[6:17] for help.

[6:18] And says

[6:20] we are just students trying to become

[6:21] lawyers, doctors, congressmen like

[6:24] yourself, and one day president.

[6:27] So we can make a change to not just the

[6:30] state of South Carolina

[6:31] but also the world.

[6:33] We are not quitters.

[6:36] That's what she said.

[6:37] We are not quitters.

[6:41] As he left the hall, the president

[6:43] seemed pleased with the night. The real

[6:45] question, however, is, are you?

[6:49] Are you convincing the American people

[6:51] of maybe the president's biggest

[6:52] challenge of all.

[6:54] So, let's do it. It's time for the

[6:56] Nightline report card. And of course,

[6:59] we're joined now by George

[7:00] Stephanopoulos, our chief Washington

[7:01] correspondent, host of This Week. George

[7:03] Let's start with the president's

[7:04] message, is what he had to say. Do you

[7:06] think he succeeded in getting that

[7:08] message across? What do you think? I I I

[7:10] I think he did on this on this goal,

[7:12] Terry. I think he was succeeded in

[7:14] convincing the country tonight that he

[7:16] has a strategy uh for getting us out of

[7:18] this. There's several different parts in

[7:19] the strategy, some of them aren't

[7:20] popular at all. You talked about that uh

[7:23] his section where he talked about the

[7:25] banks and how he knows that the bailing

[7:28] out the banks is not popular, but what

[7:29] he did tonight what he started to do

[7:31] tonight was convince people that deep

[7:33] down this was not about helping the

[7:34] banks, it was about helping everyone.

[7:36] And that the credit crisis, solving the

[7:38] credit crisis is essential to getting

[7:40] this economy moving again, can make a

[7:41] difference in everyone's lives. I think

[7:43] that was his most important goal uh

[7:45] tonight, to convince people that he had

[7:47] a strategy, that it had a chance of

[7:49] working. And he also did a pretty good

[7:51] job of reminding people of the popular

[7:53] parts of the packages that he has

[7:55] already passed.

[7:56] And that bank

[7:58] piece is going to be a very hard piece

[8:00] to sell. This was his first address to a

[8:02] joint session of Congress at such a

[8:04] presidential moment. Let's talk about

[8:05] how he handled the style

[8:07] of the moment. What do you think? I I I

[8:09] I think his unfamiliarity with this

[8:11] form, like you said, it's the first time

[8:12] he's ever done it, showed a little bit.

[8:14] He jumped the gun, uh started to give

[8:16] his speech even before the speaker

[8:18] introduced him, had to look around for

[8:20] Michelle, didn't know exactly where she

[8:22] was standing. And I think he had a a

[8:24] hard time figuring out whether to just

[8:26] drive through to the uh viewers at home

[8:29] with the narrative that he was going

[8:31] through or to to work the crowd and work

[8:33] the applause lines. And then at one

[8:35] point, he was even a little bit

[8:36] frustrated he wasn't getting more

[8:38] bipartisan uh applause. Uh so, he had

[8:41] lived a line coming through when he was

[8:43] talking about personal responsibility,

[8:44] saying, "This is not a Democratic issue

[8:46] or Republican issue, it's an American

[8:47] issue." Then everybody got up. I think

[8:49] by the end, um he was more comfortable

[8:53] uh with it, and I think he was starting

[8:54] to enjoy even

[8:56] uh the partisan response that he was

[8:57] getting. He did seem to warm to his

[9:00] speech and to the room in a way. And

[9:02] that that room is a theater uh with

[9:05] Republicans and Democrats. When the

[9:07] president speak in that situation,

[9:09] they'll jump to their feet in one line,

[9:11] sit on their hands in another. The

[9:12] reception, how do you think the

[9:14] reception was to the speech? I think

[9:16] there was a bit of tenativeness there,

[9:18] too, for both Democrats and Republicans.

[9:20] Again, they couldn't quite figure out

[9:21] exactly uh how to respond to this. Um

[9:25] you know, the the the Republican Party

[9:27] made a choice uh with the stimulus

[9:29] package, and you saw it again tonight.

[9:31] Basically, they're going to stand their

[9:33] ground, stand their principles, oppose

[9:35] what the president is trying to do. They

[9:36] say he's spending too much money, that

[9:38] there's going to be too much waste. Uh

[9:40] they're clearly not enthusiastic about

[9:43] uh

[9:44] doing more uh for the for the financial

[9:47] system right now. Governor Jindal didn't

[9:48] even talk about it uh tonight. So, I

[9:50] think there was a tenativeness to the to

[9:52] to the response tonight. What's really

[9:54] going to matter, though, in the response

[9:56] uh is how this is received in the

[9:58] country and whether it works. That's the

[10:00] bottom line. Of course, he's got to

[10:02] deliver now. George, thanks very much

[10:04] for that as ever.

[10:06] Thank you. That's the president's

[10:07] speech. When we come back, we'll turn

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[13:36] For spiritual leader Eckhart Tolle, his

[13:38] path to enlightenment is paved with calm

[13:41] and simplicity. Focused on experiencing

[13:44] the here and now rather than dwelling on

[13:46] the past or fretting about the future,

[13:48] it's a core lesson

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[13:53] Dan Harris interviewed interviewed Tolle

[13:56] for our series Faith Matters.

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[14:26] Tolle and with me. He is Eckhart Tolle,

[14:29] a decidedly unflashy, unassuming

[14:32] spiritual teacher. He doesn't like the

[14:34] term guru. Originally from Germany. Life

[14:37] is sacred.

[14:40] When you are lost in thought,

[14:43] sacred is meaningless.

[14:45] Despite his very low-key presentation,

[14:48] his lectures sell out and he's sold 10

[14:51] million books. I found everything

[14:53] resonating inside me. I could have been

[14:55] Yes. Yes. Yes. That's it. That's it. And

[14:57] he says, "Now is the only thing we

[14:59] have." Tolle granted us a rare interview

[15:02] to talk about how people can achieve the

[15:04] sort of spiritual awakening or inner

[15:06] calm that he claims to have achieved.

[15:09] Don't you ever get annoyed, irritated,

[15:12] sad,

[15:13] anything negative? No, I I accept what

[15:16] is.

[15:17] And that's why life has become so

[15:19] simple.

[15:20] >> What if somebody cuts you off and and

[15:21] and they're in in your car? It's fine.

[15:24] It's like a sudden gust of wind. I don't

[15:26] personalize a gust of wind. Or and so

[15:30] it's simply what is. And you're able to

[15:32] enjoy every moment even if I start

[15:34] asking you a ton of annoying questions.

[15:36] Yes, that would be fine. So it's really

[15:40] >> me.

[15:42] Tolle's core message is that our egos

[15:45] are destroying our lives. To me, what

[15:47] the ego is habitual and compulsive

[15:50] thought processes that go through

[15:52] everybody's mind continuously.

[15:54] Psychologists have found that

[15:57] 98 to 99% of our thinking is repetitive.

[16:02] And also a lot of our thinking is

[16:04] actually very negative.

[16:07] People tend to dwell more on negative

[16:10] things than on

[16:11] uh good things. So that's the mind

[16:14] becomes obsessed with negative things,

[16:16] with judgments,

[16:18] guilt.

[16:20] In fact, Tolle blames most of the ills

[16:23] of our world on our ego. Wars, broken

[16:26] homes, our destruction of the planet.

[16:29] Tolle's other big point is that we are

[16:31] wasting our lives by refusing to live in

[16:35] the present moment. Many people live

[16:37] habitually as if the present moment were

[16:41] either an obstacle

[16:43] that they need to overcome in order to

[16:45] get to the next moment. And and imagine

[16:47] living your whole life like that. Where

[16:49] always this moment is never quite right,

[16:52] not good enough cuz you need to get to

[16:53] the next one. That is continuous stress.

[16:56] Tolle says he can teach people to tame

[16:59] that voice in their head and live in the

[17:01] present through what he calls awakening.

[17:04] It's a state of consciousness, not some

[17:06] weird belief system that we need to

[17:09] adopt. It's more much more

[17:12] fundamental

[17:13] and much more simple. After he awakened,

[17:16] he says he quit his job as an academic

[17:19] and eventually sat on a park bench

[17:21] homeless for several years living in a

[17:23] state of bliss. How did you get this

[17:26] way? How did you awaken? I was so

[17:29] unhappy that I couldn't stand it

[17:31] anymore. I had to step out of

[17:34] this identification with the unhappy

[17:36] mind-created self.

[17:37] >> So unhappy that you were

[17:39] considering suicide? Yes, I was several

[17:40] times close to suicide. And so one

[17:43] night, a shift happens and I realized

[17:46] the the unhappy me, the unhappy self, is

[17:48] not really who I am. I could sense

[17:51] underneath it a presence and an

[17:54] aliveness and an intelligence

[17:56] that had nothing to do with all the

[17:58] negative thoughts that were continuously

[18:00] going through my head. Part of Tolle's

[18:02] appeal is that he draws

[18:06] from many faiths, quoting Buddha and

[18:09] also Jesus have produced online

[18:12] refutations of Tolle, arguing that he is

[18:15] misrepresenting scripture. Do you

[18:17] believe that Jesus is the son of God?

[18:19] Yes, but I believe that what Jesus

[18:21] Christ was really teaching was the

[18:23] divinity in everyone.

[18:26] But do you believe that Christianity is

[18:28] just as valid as, say, Islam, Buddhism,

[18:31] Hinduism? Yes, all the religions at

[18:33] their core, they have a basic truth. But

[18:36] many Christians would vehemently

[18:37] disagree with that. They would say, "Our

[18:39] religion is the one true religion." And

[18:41] that is called the ego. It just says,

[18:43] "We are right and you are wrong."

[18:45] Religion for many people has turned into

[18:49] a form of ego. But for others, it

[18:52] hasn't. For some people, religion

[18:54] actually still works.

[18:55] Tolle seems unperturbed by any

[18:58] controversy he creates. In fact, it's

[19:01] hard to bother him at all.

[19:03] So if we were all to sort of leave the

[19:05] room right now and just

[19:07] lock you in here and you'd be by

[19:08] yourself, could you sit happily on that

[19:10] on the couch here indefinitely? I'm

[19:12] quite happy being with myself in a room

[19:15] alone. I enjoy that. The present moment

[19:18] is alive. I am alive. The world around

[19:21] me is alive. It's

[19:23] deep enjoyment of living. And to those

[19:25] who are going to hear this and say,

[19:27] "Flaky," you say

[19:29] "Fine, you're losing out." It's your

[19:31] mind that has some judgments about you

[19:33] cuz your mind doesn't understand what

[19:35] I'm talking about. So then

[19:37] you did. There needs to be a little bit

[19:40] of a

[19:40] glimmer of a recognition from

[19:43] a dimension that that is deeper in the

[19:45] mind and you then you say, "Well, he has

[19:46] a actually has a point." And if you can

[19:49] see his point, says Eckhart Tolle, you

[19:52] can change your life for the better,

[19:54] forever.

[19:56] For Nightline, this is Dan Harris in

[19:59] Toronto, Canada.

[20:00] Well, that's that's one way to free your

[20:02] mind.

[20:03] Thanks to Dan Harris for that. When we

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[24:16] Homework, soccer practice, chores, maybe

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[24:22] pretty much the typical life of a

[24:23] typical 13-year-old, but one British boy

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[24:40] She's off her

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[24:47] Baby-faced daddy Alfie Patten, just 13

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[24:56] Maybe what fun. His girlfriend,

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[25:05] What will I do financially?

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[25:13] Huh?

[25:14] For now, The Sun, tabloid newspaper, is

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[25:21] safe house. And how about Alfie? Is he

[25:24] enjoying himself with Macy?

[25:26] Yeah, he

[25:27] He helped me with the night.

[25:29] Um

[25:31] he didn't do all right, but he did the

[25:33] first bit with me.

[25:35] But now, he's totally out of that.

[25:38] Don't most boys of Alfie's age just play

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[25:43] Anyway, this country is now hotly

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[25:53] >> This child didn't ask to be born born

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[25:57] life now. They're calling Alfie a

[25:59] teenage dad, but apparently he was only

[26:01] 12 when the baby was conceived. I find

[26:04] it quite shocking, to be honest. I don't

[26:06] know why it's such a big deal. The

[26:08] government disapproves. Kids that young

[26:10] should not be being parents. But

[26:13] approval from the pro-life lobby. And no

[26:16] matter what the circumstances, and

[26:17] certainly these aren't ideal, and no one

[26:19] would say they are, this baby is still a

[26:21] little human being, and we're delighted

[26:23] that she has been born. Because in

[26:25] Britain, around 60% of teenage

[26:27] pregnancies end in abortion. He's got a

[26:30] lot of support from his family. Yeah.

[26:33] Even if they're at school.

[26:34] Yeah.

[26:35] Yesterday, The Sun showed Alfie wearing

[26:37] a sweatshirt with the words on the back,

[26:39] "Alfie Patten, I'm the daddy." Because,

[26:42] well, other teens now claim that they

[26:44] are, in fact, the father. Do you think

[26:46] that you're too young

[26:48] to have a baby?

[26:51] I am too.

[26:52] Alfie's got himself an agent who says

[26:54] that Alfie will take a DNA test to prove

[26:57] who's the daddy. Alfie and The Sun are

[26:59] sticking to their story. I'm Nick Watt

[27:01] for Nightline in London.

[27:04] That's just horrifying in a way. Alfie's

[27:06] going to grow up real quick. Our thanks

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