Face the Nation (CBS) - 2008-11-30

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[0:00] Today on Face the Nation, the new

[0:02] administration and the issues it faces

[0:05] from international terrorism to the

[0:07] failing economy. Our annual books and

[0:10] authors show. He may have won a decisive

[0:13] victory, but as the news from India

[0:15] underlines, President-elect Obama faces

[0:18] a world already changed from election

[0:21] day. Today we ask the authors of four of

[0:24] the year's most important books to

[0:26] assess the problems the new

[0:28] administration will face. We'll talk

[0:30] with Bob Woodward, author of The War

[0:32] Within: A Secret White House History.

[0:35] Fared Zakaria, author of The

[0:37] PostAmerican World. Jane Mayer, author

[0:41] of The Dark Side, the inside story of

[0:44] how the war on terror turned into a war

[0:46] on American ideals. and Michael Eric

[0:49] Dyson, author of April 4th, 1968, Martin

[0:54] Luther King Jr.'s death and how it

[0:56] changed America. I'll have a final word

[0:59] on the dangerous world of bargain

[1:01] hunting. But first, the world and Barack

[1:04] Obama on Face the Nation.

[1:14] Face the nation with CBS News chief

[1:17] Washington correspondent Bob Schiffer.

[1:20] And now from CBS News in Washington, Bob

[1:23] Sheer.

[1:25] >> And joining us this morning, Bob

[1:26] Woodward, Michael Eric Dyson, Jane

[1:28] Mayer, and Fared Zakaria. Uh Fared, I

[1:31] want to start with you. Uh we've been

[1:34] spending so much time talking about the

[1:36] economy, but uh were we ever reminded uh

[1:40] this weekend uh that terrorism is still

[1:42] there and it still must be dealt with.

[1:45] Uh what is this all about? What has

[1:48] happened this weekend in India?

[1:50] >> Well, at at some level, I mean this is

[1:52] actually quite personal for me. My

[1:54] mother has an office at the Taj Hotel.

[1:56] She's the editor of the Taj magazine and

[1:59] the office is destroyed. Luckily, she

[2:01] wasn't there. Um but I think if you step

[2:04] back what's happening now is the

[2:06] problems of Pakistan, Afghanistan and

[2:08] India are bleeding into one another. So

[2:11] that what you have is a kind of South

[2:13] Asian terrorism where these groups are

[2:15] feeding off each other finding pockets

[2:18] where they can train in lawless parts of

[2:20] the of the country. And you really have

[2:22] to ask yourself if you are looking at

[2:25] this uh from Washington, what can we do

[2:28] about it? because in many cases these

[2:31] are parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan

[2:34] that those governments have not had

[2:35] control of for 200 years. But the key if

[2:39] there is a key is that the Pakistani

[2:41] military has created trained and

[2:44] sustained groups like this for three

[2:45] decades. I don't think the government is

[2:48] involved in this one the Pakistani

[2:49] government but they have to really

[2:51] reorient themselves strategically to say

[2:53] you know there are no good militants and

[2:55] bad militants. The Pakistani military

[2:57] used to feel the good militants are the

[2:59] ones that destabilize India and

[3:00] Afghanistan, which is good for Pakistan,

[3:03] and the bad ones are the ones that kill

[3:04] Pakistani citizens. The problem is

[3:06] they're all blurring into one another.

[3:08] And can we affect a strategic

[3:10] reorientation in Pakistan? There are

[3:13] some good signs. The Pakistani

[3:14] government seems more understanding of

[3:17] this reality than than in a long time.

[3:19] But that's the real challenge.

[3:21] >> What can we do or should we do? Well,

[3:23] we've given Pakistan 10 billion dollars

[3:25] of aid in the last over the last five or

[3:27] six years. We have close relations with

[3:29] the military. If any outside player can

[3:32] play a role here, uh it's us. And I

[3:34] think it would be to try to make the

[3:36] Pakistanis understand that you know it

[3:38] is not in their interest that

[3:39] Afghanistan be unstable, that India be

[3:42] on edge, that they will prosper as a

[3:45] nation. It's a sort of broader,

[3:48] you know, um, economic understanding of

[3:50] national security than a narrow

[3:52] competitive political military one. Uh,

[3:55] and it's a there's a really interesting

[3:57] question of can you get the Pakistani

[3:58] military to see their national security

[4:01] in this broader way. Bob Woodward. Uh

[4:04] the president, if all goes as expected,

[4:06] at 10:50 Eastern time tomorrow, will

[4:09] announce his new national security team

[4:11] to be headed by Hillary Rodm Clinton as

[4:15] Secretary of State.

[4:18] >> She never goes away. She and her

[4:20] husband. Uh it's it's an amazing

[4:23] national security team that Obama

[4:26] appears to have selected. Uh it it's

[4:29] kind of like Goldilocks in the Three

[4:31] Bears. You've got too cool, which might

[4:34] be or at least appropriately cool.

[4:37] General Jones is the national security

[4:40] advisor Gates is kind of just right uh

[4:43] in the middle and Hillary Clinton hot.

[4:46] Uh this is going to be a whole new

[4:48] center of gravity for the news media,

[4:51] for the world. Uh my assessment without

[4:55] having any knowledge really is that uh

[4:58] the economists and the economic team

[5:01] around Obama convinced him that the

[5:04] economic crisis is so deep and going to

[5:07] require so much time. Go ahead and give

[5:09] Hillary and Bill the world. Well,

[5:14] we all keep hearing that he read uh Darc

[5:17] Goodwin's book about team of rivals, but

[5:21] is there a danger that this could become

[5:23] rival teams? Because we saw something

[5:25] very much like that happen during the

[5:27] Bush administration as you chronicled in

[5:29] your four books.

[5:30] >> Uh yes. Well, I mean, it's going to be

[5:32] most interesting. And uh I I think

[5:35] General Jones is the surprise here. and

[5:39] Jones who was marine commandant, NATO

[5:41] commander, somebody who served as

[5:44] military, senior military uh aid to Bill

[5:48] Cohen when he was Secretary of Defense.

[5:50] So he knows all the pieces and Jones

[5:54] comes out of the Rumsfeld Pentagon is

[5:57] one of the renegades to a certain extent

[5:59] who would say publicly that Rumsfeld had

[6:02] emasculated the joint chiefs of staff.

[6:05] So, uh, Jones is strong and he he's

[6:10] going to be a voice. Uh, he obviously

[6:13] has established a relationship with

[6:15] Obama and I think Obama's got to be a

[6:18] voice. So, you know, what's Hillary's

[6:20] role?

[6:21] >> I I think the Jones choice is

[6:23] fascinating because Jones is a highly

[6:26] respected general. He's respected not

[6:28] just here, but he was an extremely

[6:30] popular NATO commander with the

[6:31] Europeans, which is actually a rare

[6:33] feat. Uh but it also I think signals

[6:36] that Obama wants somebody at the White

[6:38] House who can run the process very well

[6:40] but who will take charge and be very

[6:42] centrally involved in the two big

[6:44] problems he has immediately which are

[6:46] Afghanistan and Iraq. I think you're

[6:48] right. Hillary may get the world and

[6:50] there may be a certain amount of

[6:51] traveling but it certainly suggests the

[6:53] Jones appointment suggests that Iraq and

[6:55] Afghanistan will be managed out of the

[6:57] White House. Well, Jane Mayor, you know,

[6:59] let me just ask you about that because

[7:01] uh your fascinating book, The Dark Side,

[7:04] tells how the current vice president,

[7:07] uh, Richard Cheney, amassed power

[7:10] unknown to any vice president in our

[7:12] history. U, I'd like to ask you first,

[7:15] uh, how did he do that? And do you see

[7:19] Joe Biden having the kind of power? I

[7:22] would say that with the naming of

[7:24] Hillary Clinton, that was the strongest

[7:26] signal yet that President elect Obama

[7:29] will not have the kind of vice president

[7:32] uh that that we saw in the in the Bush

[7:35] administration.

[7:36] >> Right? Because one of the ways that

[7:37] Cheney amassed this power was that that

[7:39] President Bush when he came in gave

[7:41] President Vice President Cheney the

[7:43] national security portfolio and that is

[7:46] not happening here. You're seeing very

[7:47] strong players divvying up this national

[7:49] security portfolio. So, uh, that that

[7:52] that won't be. It takes a president like

[7:54] Bush to have a vice president like

[7:56] Cheney. Obama so far seems to be so much

[7:59] more um involved in the details and in

[8:01] kind of wanting to command the the

[8:04] policies all the way up and down really.

[8:06] Um, so I I don't see it repeating.

[8:08] Another difference that's very important

[8:10] is that that um both the president

[8:12] coming in and the vice president are

[8:14] lawyers and and one of the things that

[8:16] happened in the last administration was

[8:17] neither of them were they were not

[8:19] constitutional scholars and they enacted

[8:21] policies that including legalizing

[8:24] torture for all purposes um that really

[8:28] were not constitutional and I don't

[8:30] think we're going to see that again.

[8:31] This is a this is a a group of people

[8:33] who um in and and the secretary of state

[8:36] is also a lawyer now. These people

[8:37] respect the law. I think

[8:40] >> Michael Dyson, you have written a

[8:42] fascinating book about Martin Luther

[8:44] King Jr. and his death and what that

[8:47] meant to the civil rights movement.

[8:49] Obviously, I think it's fair to say had

[8:51] there not been a Martin Luther King Jr.,

[8:53] there would not have been a Barack

[8:55] Obama, at least not absolutely not in

[8:58] our lifetime.

[8:59] >> What is the fact that we will have our

[9:02] first African-American president?

[9:04] Obviously, that's historic,

[9:06] >> but what what impact do you think that

[9:09] that will have?

[9:10] >> Well, obviously Martin Luther King Jr.

[9:13] laid the predicate for the rise of

[9:15] Barack Obama, as did Jesse Jackson in '

[9:17] 84 and 88. Uh Jesse Jackson had to be

[9:20] the brutal linebacker who opened up the

[9:22] space for Mr. Obama to slither through

[9:25] with grace. And I think that uh he's

[9:27] been able to rise to the stature. He's

[9:29] been able to achieve as a result of the

[9:31] brutal battles and the Indonesian

[9:33] squables that were occasioned by civil

[9:35] rights battles that Mr. Obama himself is

[9:38] not implicated in the skirmishes that

[9:40] happened along the racial front. Mr.

[9:42] Obama is not implicated in. Therefore,

[9:44] he comes with a kind of clean portfolio,

[9:46] so to speak. So that when he stands to

[9:47] talk about race, he stands as a person

[9:49] who certainly is indebted to those

[9:51] traditions but not uh if you will

[9:53] blemished by them. And I think that that

[9:56] gives him a kind of moral purchase in

[9:58] the broader world as it occasion

[10:00] skepticism among those who were worried

[10:02] about whether or not he'll continue some

[10:04] of those civil rights trajectories. And

[10:05] I think he certainly will as a lawyer,

[10:07] as a person who's conscious, who's

[10:09] taught constitutional law, who deals

[10:10] with civil rights law, civil rights

[10:12] lawyer, and a community organizer. It

[10:14] may not be his race as much as his

[10:16] community organizing background that

[10:18] will play a significant difference here

[10:20] because a person who's organized poor

[10:22] people who's attempted to get their

[10:24] interests and concerns uh as part of his

[10:26] baywick will exert a profound influence

[10:29] over those issues when it comes to the

[10:30] economy when it comes to making America

[10:32] safe when it comes to protecting borders

[10:34] and when it comes to trying to

[10:35] articulate ideas that will resonate not

[10:38] simply with African-Americans but more

[10:39] broadly. I mean, the fact that you have

[10:41] a black first family, uh, two beautiful

[10:44] children, an intelligent and brilliant

[10:46] wife, and an intelligent and brilliant,

[10:48] uh, president, uh, does an enormous good

[10:51] to people. The psychological advantage

[10:53] of waking up every morning, seeing that

[10:56] this is the most powerful man in the

[10:57] world, does an incredible amount of good

[11:00] uh, to people who look on. But what he

[11:01] proves is that look, okay, that got me

[11:03] in the door in terms of my skill and

[11:05] talent, but now I've got to really go

[11:07] forward here and govern in a way that

[11:09] respects all Americans because all of

[11:11] America uh elected him president.

[11:13] >> Do you think having an African-American

[11:15] president will have more of an impact on

[11:17] black people or white people?

[11:20] >> Well, I think uh certainly for the

[11:22] broader society, the mainstream society,

[11:23] I think white Americans certainly uh

[11:26] probably never felt they'd see this day.

[11:28] They always say black people say, "Boy,

[11:29] I never thought I'd see the day that a

[11:31] black man would be in the White House."

[11:33] But many more white Americans perhaps

[11:35] felt the same thing. Uh, in realistic

[11:37] terms, black Americans don't expect much

[11:40] from an Obama presidency that

[11:42] specifically targets them. What Mr.

[11:44] Obama has shrewdly comprehended is that

[11:46] if we're going to help everybody, we if

[11:48] we're going to help African-American

[11:49] people, we have to help everybody so

[11:51] that his policies will be geared in a

[11:52] universal way uh in terms of affirmative

[11:56] action. and certainly he continues to be

[11:57] a supporter of that, but more in terms

[11:59] of class than in race. Uh he talks about

[12:02] policies for poor people that will

[12:04] benefit the working class and the

[12:06] working poor, but also the middle class.

[12:07] So I think that for white Americans to

[12:10] see an intelligent, articulate,

[12:12] sophisticated, cool black man whose

[12:14] feathers are not easily ruffled, who is

[12:17] able to carry himself with a matter of

[12:19] self-possession and confidence without

[12:21] bleeding into the Bush swagger that

[12:24] ended up being quite reckless. I think

[12:26] is an is a is a example that black

[12:29] people can when chosen perform a job and

[12:32] that then when they perform and execute

[12:33] that job they do so with passion and

[12:35] intelligence and I think that's a

[12:37] tremendous signal to the broader world.

[12:39] >> It certainly the rest of the world it it

[12:40] it sends a tremendous signal. I I I

[12:42] agree. I mean especially at a point

[12:44] where we're being accused in this

[12:45] country of not living up to our ideals

[12:48] because of things like Guantanamo and

[12:49] and blackside prisons. And so to have an

[12:52] election where it shows that democracy

[12:54] really works and there's a meritocracy

[12:55] in the country and racism isn't going to

[12:58] stop somebody from getting to the top I

[13:00] think has been a tremendously you know

[13:02] just liberating moment for the country

[13:04] and for the rest of the world to see

[13:06] this and it's totally discomforted

[13:07] al-Qaeda among others. I mean, you've

[13:09] got these bizarre sort of statements

[13:11] from Zawahheri, the spokesman for

[13:13] al-Qaeda, trying to sort of readjust

[13:16] himself and say that, you know, there

[13:18] it's America is still, you know, a

[13:20] racist country. He's he's kind of at a

[13:22] loss for how to deal with this. So, it's

[13:24] been very

[13:25] >> and there is all of this optimism and

[13:27] hope. I mean, it's running on eight

[13:29] cylinders at full speed. And uh if you

[13:33] go back eight years when Bush was coming

[13:35] in, there was optimism then.

[13:37] Compassionate, conservative, moderate,

[13:40] crackerjack national security team, $5.4

[13:45] trillion surplus. Remember that

[13:48] everyone's going to get a tax cut. 9/11

[13:51] came along, the reality of the economy.

[13:54] uh and the cracker jack national

[13:56] security team and Bush decided the

[13:58] solution to all of the problems is to

[14:00] invade Iraq.

[14:02] >> So uh I I think the chief operator in

[14:07] bringing the world down to the real

[14:10] level is going to have to be Obama. He's

[14:13] going to have to come out and say this

[14:14] is not a 100 day administration. This is

[14:17] something we're going to have to take

[14:19] our time on. Think strategically. the

[14:21] problems on his plate are monumental.

[14:24] >> I've heard I've heard he's worried about

[14:26] the expectations, but I've also heard at

[14:27] the same time I was talking to the

[14:29] pollster Peter Hart who said that his

[14:31] polls showed that that the the country's

[14:33] seems in a patient mood. It understands

[14:36] how terrible the the problems are

[14:38] particularly the economy. So they might

[14:39] give him a little more time than you

[14:41] than the 100 days.

[14:42] >> Well, you know, the the world is not in

[14:43] a patient mood. I think he's inheriting

[14:45] a very different world than George Bush

[14:47] did. I mean, George Bush came in at

[14:49] really the peak of American unipolarity.

[14:52] The world was his oyster. America had

[14:54] these monumental surpluses. Everything

[14:56] seemed to be going its way. Now you have

[14:59] a situation where Iraq has delegitimized

[15:02] American political and military power.

[15:04] Uh the financial crisis has

[15:06] delegitimized American economic power.

[15:09] And most importantly, this broad

[15:11] phenomena that has taken place, which is

[15:13] what I describe in my book as the rise

[15:14] of the rest. the rest of the world

[15:16] really feels empowered. If you look at

[15:18] trade negotiations, if you look at I

[15:20] mean, think about just this last summer,

[15:22] you have Russia attacking Georgia. You

[15:24] have India scuttling the the global

[15:27] trade talks, the Doha round. You have

[15:28] China spending $45 billion on an

[15:31] Olympics. None of this could have

[15:33] happened 10 years ago. These countries

[15:35] are powerful. They're confident. And

[15:37] dealing operating in that world is very

[15:40] different, I think, from the world we've

[15:42] known for the last six decades. But I

[15:43] think he's the perfect president for

[15:44] that because obviously without the kind

[15:46] of empire and imperialistic bluster of a

[15:49] Bush, but a person who forges

[15:50] connections among various

[15:52] constituencies, this team of rivals is

[15:54] not simply a domestic reality. It's a

[15:56] global one.

[15:56] >> All right, let's take a break right

[15:57] here. We'll talk about all of this some

[15:59] more when we come back in one minute.

[16:11] back again with our panel of

[16:12] distinguished authors. This campaign

[16:14] started out being about Iraq, suddenly

[16:17] it wasn't about Iraq anymore. It's about

[16:20] the economy. I want to talk about Iraqi

[16:22] in a minute, but Bob, the fact that we

[16:25] face these severe financial problems

[16:27] right now and this what looks like an

[16:29] economic downturn coming. Uh is this

[16:32] going to doesn't Obama have to set some

[16:36] priorities here? There just simply going

[16:38] to be some things he's not going to be

[16:40] able to do here in the beginning and let

[16:41] yet you have these pressing.

[16:43] >> Well, I mean you you talk about an

[16:44] economic downturn. I think it's really a

[16:47] crisis and the movement was to save the

[16:50] banks and the financial system now and

[16:53] what Obama has said in the I think the

[16:55] chief challenge he's got now is to

[16:58] prevent a further decline and then to

[17:03] deliver something to the middle class he

[17:06] talks about also the people who've lost

[17:09] jobs lost their homes I mean all of this

[17:13] trillions of dollars in you know,

[17:16] bailouts and guarantees and so forth. I

[17:18] mean, here just the other day, uh,

[17:21] Cityroup got a guarantee of over $300

[17:26] billion dollar of troubled assets.

[17:29] That's half the defense budget of this

[17:32] country. Uh so now the people who are on

[17:35] the line who are feeling the pain are

[17:38] going to have to in a you know the

[17:40] coming months feel ah this

[17:43] administration is delivering some

[17:45] protections and something for them in

[17:48] terms of jobs and and keeping their

[17:50] homes

[17:51] >> and Bob I think that you're you're you

[17:54] might actually be understating the

[17:55] problem because look this is a

[17:57] monumental economic challenge because

[17:59] first of all you have simultaneously a

[18:01] cyclical recession the meltdown of the

[18:03] financial system, a drying up of credit

[18:05] happening. Nobody knows what the right

[18:07] answers are. Let's let's focus on one

[18:09] thing. The bank bailout that, you know,

[18:11] that has been passed in Congress, it

[18:13] still hasn't worked. You know, you still

[18:15] do not have credit flowing easily around

[18:17] the country. You still do not have the

[18:20] availability of capital for all the

[18:22] businesses that need it. That has to,

[18:24] you know, we've got to figure out how

[18:25] that's going to work. Then you have the

[18:27] problem which the government has made

[18:28] all these guarantees from from the city

[18:30] group one to uh deposits that you and I

[18:34] have. When do when does it stop making

[18:36] those guarantees or is the government in

[18:38] perpetuity going to guarantee every kind

[18:40] of financial instrument?

[18:41] >> It's going to draw the line with the

[18:42] media. The media will get no bailout

[18:45] bailout. But all this you know is going

[18:47] to require I just wonder Obama is going

[18:49] to have to spend a lot of time figuring

[18:51] this stuff out, working on it and trying

[18:53] different things. Let's remember, you

[18:55] know, we we thought we were so superior

[18:56] to Japan. But Japan, after a couple of

[18:59] years of denying all its problems, it

[19:01] tried all this. It injected massive

[19:03] amounts of equity into the banking

[19:04] system. It spent massively on

[19:06] infrastructure projects and it lowered

[19:08] interest rates to zero. None of it

[19:10] worked.

[19:11] >> Jane

[19:13] will uh what happens to Iraq now? I

[19:16] mean, that's the one thing we haven't

[19:18] even talked about here except just to

[19:19] mention it. Is it in fairly good shape

[19:22] now? Is it or will George Bush leave

[19:25] Iraq a better place than he found it?

[19:27] >> You know, I think one of the smart

[19:28] appointments that that Obama has made is

[19:30] to keep Gates in at the Defense

[19:32] Department. So, whatever happens in Iraq

[19:34] at least is going to be seen as some

[19:36] kind of continuity with the problems

[19:38] from before and not a radical shift that

[19:41] will be kind of blamed politically on

[19:42] Obama. But, I you know, it's it's it's

[19:45] still very shaky obviously and and and

[19:48] um so I think that there's no guarantees

[19:50] there. I think you know some of you have

[19:53] been been spent more time probably

[19:55] covering Iraq in particular than I have.

[19:57] You've written a whole wonderful book on

[19:58] on the surge.

[19:59] >> We've got 140,000 of our fellow citizens

[20:03] there and their plans and talk of small

[20:06] draw downs and a long-term plan. But

[20:09] those people are essentially acting as a

[20:11] police force in an incredibly violent

[20:15] place. And uh you you see the violence

[20:18] every day. And so when we leave, does

[20:21] the violence go up? Do all the political

[20:23] problems increase?

[20:24] >> I mean, Obama Obama's basic point about

[20:27] the surge, I mean, everybody now says he

[20:29] was wrong about the surge. Fine, at some

[20:31] level it's true. But the basic point was

[20:34] you need political deals on the ground

[20:36] that will stick to make this work

[20:38] because at some point we're going to

[20:40] leave.

[20:40] >> Meanwhile, I mean,

[20:41] >> let me just ask Michael, just as a

[20:42] closer, we have about 30 seconds left.

[20:45] What do you want to hear Barack Obama

[20:47] say on election day?

[20:49] >> Well, obviously you have to address all

[20:50] these questions. You got to deal with

[20:52] Iraq. You got to deal with Afghanistan.

[20:53] You got to deal with that region, the

[20:55] promiscuous, the promiscuous forms of

[20:57] terror, the salvation terror that Reed

[21:00] talked about has to be addressed. But

[21:01] also domestically, our hopefulness and

[21:03] our anticipation that the American

[21:05] future will be brighter. And black

[21:06] people have dealt with cash poor credit

[21:09] and debt for a long time. To have a

[21:10] brother in the White House right now is

[21:12] a tremendous advantage right now. We can

[21:13] make a dollar out of 15 cents.

[21:15] >> All right. Well, I want to thank all of

[21:17] you. Great, great discussion. Back in a

[21:19] final, well, final word.

[21:28] Finally, today, this was not the

[21:30] happiest of Thanksgivings. A nation

[21:32] which was shaken by an economic crisis

[21:34] that no one seems quite certain how to

[21:36] repair was horrified again by the awful

[21:40] tragedy that unfolded in India. No

[21:42] matter how terrible, tragedy always

[21:45] seems more cruel on a holiday. Against

[21:47] that background came news on Black

[21:50] Friday that an angry mob pushed in the

[21:52] doors at a Walmart on Long Island and

[21:55] trampled a sales clerk to death. Bargain

[21:58] hunting on Black Friday has gotten

[21:59] dangerous in recent years. Pushing,

[22:01] shoving, the occasional fist fight, and

[22:04] injuries were reported at other stores

[22:06] on Friday. But the Long Island incident

[22:09] marked the first ever Black Friday

[22:11] shopping fatality. It made me wonder,

[22:14] what were they shopping for? Christmas

[22:16] gifts. They didn't show much Christmas

[22:18] spirit. When store officials ordered the

[22:20] mob out of the store because someone had

[22:22] died, many called it unfair because they

[22:25] said they had been waiting hours to

[22:27] shop. The terrorist attack in India will

[22:30] cause us to redouble our anti-terrorist

[22:32] efforts and economic rep recovery plans

[22:35] are already in the works. But shouldn't

[22:38] the death of that poor sales clerk give

[22:40] us some pause as well? If we have become

[22:43] a people so self-centered that we are

[22:45] willing to step over a lifeless body to

[22:48] get a bargain, we have problems that go

[22:50] beyond terrorists, a credit crunch, and

[22:53] bad mortgages. Surely we can do better

[22:56] than that. Back to you in a minute.

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