CBS News - Presidential Debate - 2004-10-13 - 4 of 5 (partial)

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[1:01] >> Joining us now from the debate hall in

[1:02] Arizona is a supporter of President

[1:04] Bush, the former mayor of New York City,

[1:06] Republican Rudy Giuliani. Mr. Mayor,

[1:08] thanks for doing this. Let me ask you a

[1:09] version of the same question uh that I

[1:11] asked Senator Edwards a few moments ago,

[1:14] and that is when they talked about

[1:15] Social Security, I'm not sure it was

[1:17] clear to everybody what the differences

[1:19] are in the approaches to Social

[1:21] Security. So with some brevity, could

[1:23] you tell us what the difference the

[1:24] basic differences are?

[1:27] >> Major difference is that the president

[1:29] supports options for for people if if

[1:32] they want to set up a private account

[1:34] with some of their social security

[1:36] money. If they think they can make

[1:37] better investments with it, get more of

[1:39] a return on it, then they would have

[1:41] options to do that, at least, you know,

[1:42] for young people and people who want to

[1:44] use those options. Both would preserve

[1:47] and protect the social security system.

[1:49] The difference is that the president uh

[1:51] wants to give young people more of an

[1:53] opportunity to get higher returns if

[1:54] that's what they want. And it really

[1:56] reflects a difference between a

[1:57] president who believes in an ownership

[1:59] society, giving more rights, more

[2:01] opportunities to people, and John Kerry

[2:03] who really believes government should

[2:04] really have more control and more

[2:06] decision-making.

[2:07] >> Mayor, at what point, if any, in this

[2:09] debate tonight do you think that

[2:10] President Bush scored highest with the

[2:12] uncommitted voters who may very well

[2:14] decide what shapes up as possibly a

[2:16] extremely close election?

[2:18] I I I thought the president had a had a

[2:20] big victory tonight in many respects,

[2:22] but most importantly, I think the

[2:23] president talked in a much more personal

[2:25] and direct way to the American people

[2:26] than Senator Kerry, who talked more in

[2:28] statistics and a much stiffer way. I

[2:31] think particularly the the questions

[2:32] about religion in which the president

[2:34] discussed, you know, who he is with the

[2:36] American people, including his respect

[2:37] and toleration for everyone. I think the

[2:40] questions about their wives and families

[2:41] and I think I think you know the

[2:43] president told people who he is and

[2:46] described it to them in a very personal

[2:47] way and I think John Kerry um basically

[2:51] fell into a lot of the things that he's

[2:53] been doing in the past which is taking

[2:54] inconsistent positions.

[2:57] >> Uh did he or did he not take an

[2:58] inconsistent position when he talked

[3:00] about healthcare? there was a sharp

[3:01] difference between the two on healthcare

[3:03] with President Bush basically saying

[3:04] listen he's short on specifics about

[3:07] healthcare and besides that he won't be

[3:09] able to pay for it.

[3:10] >> Yes, I think I think that's right and I

[3:12] think the the the president also made it

[3:14] very very clear that there has to be

[3:16] major reform in the way in which medical

[3:19] liability and medical in uh coverage

[3:21] works for doctors and John Kerry u

[3:24] really said nothing about that and

[3:25] really never responded to it.

[3:27] >> Mayor, you've been traveling a lot. If

[3:29] you had to pick one state that you

[3:31] thought might decide uh an extremely

[3:34] close election, what would that state

[3:35] be?

[3:37] >> Well, maybe because I was just in

[3:38] Wisconsin. I think Wisconsin is a state

[3:41] that uh that Democrats won last time. I

[3:44] was just there. I've been there several

[3:45] times and I think the president has an

[3:47] excellent chance to win it. And I think,

[3:49] you know, that's maybe symbolic of a

[3:51] couple of states like that. Wisconsin,

[3:53] Iowa, uh states that had been won by

[3:55] Democrats last time where I think the

[3:57] president is very competitive. I'm going

[3:58] to I'll be in Pennsylvania with Senator

[4:00] Spectre tomorrow. I know the vice

[4:01] president's been campaigning in

[4:03] Pennsylvania. I think that the president

[4:05] is campaigning much more on what we

[4:08] would call, you know, Democratic ground,

[4:10] uh, places that they won last time than

[4:12] they are, meaning Senator Kerry is

[4:14] campaigning in places that he can win

[4:16] back from the president. So, I think

[4:17] that bodess very well for the president.

[4:19] >> Rud Giuliani, thanks for being with us.

[4:21] >> Well, thanks, Dan.

[4:22] >> How did tonight's faceoff play with

[4:24] voters who have not made up their minds?

[4:26] Not yet made up their minds. the

[4:28] uncommitted or voters who could still

[4:30] change their mind, so-called swing

[4:31] voters who lean one way or another, but

[4:33] might pull over to the other side. We're

[4:35] going to give you the results of a

[4:36] tonight CBS News poll among uncommitted

[4:39] voters right after this.

[4:48] >> Hey, if we get hurt,

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[4:57] WHAT' you say?