Face the Nation (CBS) - 2004-10-24 (partial) - 1 of 3 (starts at 4:19)
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[3:01] Joe Lockhart and Liz Cheney on the 2004
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[4:18] on 4. Today on Face the Nation, nine
[4:21] days until the election and the race is
[4:24] still anybody's to win. With the
[4:27] candidates out campaigning for the
[4:28] undecided votes and that important block
[4:31] women, the race remains virtually even.
[4:34] Will the huge numbers of new voters make
[4:37] the difference? And how are the swing
[4:38] states leaning? We'll ask a top
[4:41] representative for each campaign, Liz
[4:43] Cheney, a senior adviser on the Bush
[4:46] team, and Joe Lockhart, who advises
[4:49] Senator Kerry. Doyle McManis of the Los
[4:51] Angeles Times joins in the questioning.
[4:54] Then we'll have a Face the Nation 50th
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[5:00] Finally, I'll have a thought on the
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[5:05] of the presidential campaign on Face the
[5:08] Nation.
[5:16] >> Face the Nation with CBS News Chief
[5:19] Washington correspondent Bob Schaefer.
[5:22] And now from CBS News in Washington, Bob
[5:25] Sheaffer.
[5:27] >> And good morning again. Both our guests
[5:29] are in the studio today. Liz Cheney, who
[5:31] is a working mom, a mother of four, I
[5:34] believe, and a senior adviser on the
[5:36] Bush Cheney campaign. She's also, of
[5:38] course, vice president and Mrs. Cheny's
[5:40] daughter. Also here is a working dad,
[5:42] Joe Lockhart from the Kerry campaign.
[5:44] Joining in the questioning, another
[5:46] working dad. Are you a working
[5:47] grandfather yet?
[5:48] >> Oh, no, sir.
[5:49] >> Well, I'm a working grandfather here.
[5:51] Doyle McManus of the Los Angeles Times.
[5:53] Uh let's begin with you, Miss Cheney,
[5:55] and thank you very much for coming. And
[5:57] I want to start with this question.
[5:58] During the debate, when John Kerry
[6:00] mentioned your sister by name after I
[6:02] asked him if he and President Bush
[6:05] believe that homosexuality was a choice,
[6:08] brought up your sister, Mary's name.
[6:11] Your parents, to say the least, sort of
[6:12] went through the roof. A lot of other
[6:14] people took offense, but I can't find
[6:17] where anybody asked Mary Cheney what she
[6:20] thought about it. Was she offended?
[6:22] >> She was, Bob. Thanks for having me,
[6:23] first of all. You know, I think um we've
[6:25] all been pretty clear that we thought it
[6:27] was out of bounds. U Mary was uh angry
[6:29] herself about it. And I think, you know,
[6:32] many people watching that night, if you
[6:33] look at the polls afterwards, uh thought
[6:35] it was out of bounds as well for a
[6:37] candidate to use a child of one of his
[6:39] opponents to score political points.
[6:41] Made folks wonder what kind of a person
[6:42] would do that. Um, and I think it's
[6:44] become part of a pattern, unfortunately,
[6:47] where it looks like, uh, Senators Kerry
[6:49] and Edwards will say and do just about
[6:51] anything in these closing days of the
[6:52] campaign to get elected. We've seen it
[6:54] with, um, you know, the claim that if
[6:56] Senator Kerry were president,
[6:57] Christopher Reev would walk again. We've
[6:59] seen it with the scare tactics on social
[7:01] security and the draft. Uh, it's really,
[7:03] it's unfortunate. Um, but I think
[7:05] unfortunately it's part of a larger
[7:06] pattern we've seen.
[7:07] >> May I just ask you, why was she
[7:09] offended? She is openly gay. Uh, to what
[7:11] did she take offense? Well, the same
[7:13] thing that we all did that it was really
[7:14] exploitative that it was uh bringing her
[7:17] name into it uh to try to score some
[7:18] political points and it's really
[7:20] unprecedented. I think it's frankly the
[7:22] first time that's ever happened.
[7:23] >> Mr. Lockheart, um I must say that it did
[7:26] seem to put a rather harsh edge on what
[7:29] I thought was a fairly eloquent answer
[7:31] by Senator Kerry. Uh his answer to the
[7:34] question, uh why did he find it
[7:36] necessary to bring up her name? And in
[7:38] retrospect, do you think it was a
[7:39] mistake? Well, I don't think it was a
[7:41] mistake and I think it's unfortunate and
[7:43] we'll take the family at their word that
[7:44] they were offended by it. It's
[7:45] unfortunate, but what he was trying to
[7:47] do was make a broader point uh uh about
[7:50] tolerance. Uh but the specific point, I
[7:54] think, was in praise of uh the parenting
[7:56] of uh uh Dick and Lynch Cheney. And
[7:59] that's where John Kerry is. I've talked
[8:00] to him about this. That's the point he
[8:02] was trying to make. It picked up on an
[8:04] exchange in the debate just two or three
[8:06] days earlier uh in Cleveland where John
[8:08] Edwards said something very similar and
[8:10] the vice president thanked him. Uh maybe
[8:12] it was the fact that Dick Cheney wasn't
[8:13] there that sort of uh
[8:16] >> does he feel badly about it?
[8:17] >> Well, I think I think if uh he says
[8:20] something that is is meant as a
[8:22] compliment and two parents, whether they
[8:24] be the vice president or whether they be
[8:26] two parents who live in Peoria,
[8:27] Illinois, and they take it the wrong
[8:28] way, then of course uh it it was not
[8:30] received as intended. I'll tell you what
[8:33] though I I I think uh is wrong. Uh there
[8:36] was one of uh one of your colleagues in
[8:38] the campaign told the Washington Post or
[8:40] the New York Times that John Kerry had
[8:43] launched a vicious personal attack. It
[8:45] wasn't. I mean and that to me uh
[8:48] represents intolerance when people think
[8:50] that somehow when you talk openly about
[8:52] these things that that is that it is
[8:54] something wrong and it's an attack. It
[8:56] was not an attack and again if it was
[8:58] not received in the way it was intended
[8:59] then that is unfortunate. But the
[9:01] broader point uh I think still uh
[9:04] exists. Uh and uh the idea that both
[9:07] John Edwards and John Kerry think that
[9:08] they're good parents is is the bottom
[9:10] line.
[9:10] >> Can I just add one thing though? I think
[9:12] um the reason it was perceived as an
[9:14] attack was uh in part furthered by Mary
[9:16] Beth Cahill's comments, you know,
[9:18] calling Mary fair game, which doesn't
[9:20] fit into the whole notion.
[9:21] >> No, that was Listen, a lot of things a
[9:23] lot of things get twisted and taken out
[9:25] of context as time goes on. I watched
[9:26] that interview and it the interview was
[9:29] it was something along the line of you
[9:31] know since Vice President Chenny first
[9:32] brought this to the public's attention
[9:34] in the first place was it fair game to
[9:36] talk about it and her answer was yes. I
[9:38] mean, so I don't think she's talking
[9:40] about, you know, it's go back and look
[9:41] at the interview. That's what it says.
[9:43] And I think it says something about um,
[9:46] you know, a campaign that generally
[9:48] doesn't want to focus on what's going on
[9:50] here domestically, what's going on in
[9:52] the world that we constantly have these
[9:54] little things that get blown up and out
[9:56] of proportion and out of context. And
[9:58] the public is looking and saying, you
[9:59] know what, I don't have a job. Why are
[10:00] they talking about this?
[10:02] >> Miss Cheney, let me go to a related
[10:04] issue. and it's one of the few issues on
[10:06] which your dad disagrees with President
[10:08] Bush. President Bush favors an amendment
[10:10] to the federal constitution against uh
[10:13] same-sex marriage. Uh your father has
[10:16] said he thinks that the states uh ought
[10:18] to handle that matter. Oddly enough,
[10:19] Senator Kerry seems to agree with your
[10:21] father on that. What's your position?
[10:23] >> Well, I think what my dad has said has
[10:25] been that, you know, he does believe
[10:27] it's a matter that should be left to the
[10:28] states. It's what the president has
[10:29] said, too. But you've got a situation
[10:31] now where you've got activist judges in
[10:33] several states who are taking that
[10:35] decision away from the people in those
[10:36] states and um making it a situation
[10:39] where they're deciding from the bench
[10:40] rather than letting the people decide. I
[10:42] do agree with Joe in terms of the the
[10:45] fact that people in this country are
[10:46] concerned about other issues and we
[10:49] really are focused on the fact that you
[10:51] know people want to know who's going to
[10:52] keep them safe, who's going to keep this
[10:53] economy growing. looking at what this
[10:55] president's track record is and frankly
[10:57] looking at Senator K's track record and
[10:59] comparing the two. So, um, you know, I
[11:01] think we've we've we've said that we
[11:02] thought it was an inappropriate comment,
[11:04] an inappropriate remark, but, you know,
[11:06] at the end of the day, when people go
[11:07] into the ballot box, they're going to be
[11:09] voting based on this president's track
[11:10] record and keeping them safe and
[11:12] continuing to grow this economy and
[11:13] continuing to create jobs.
[11:14] >> But on the question of an amendment, you
[11:16] agree with President Bush rather than
[11:18] your dad or your
[11:19] >> I'm I agree with my father.
[11:22] Let's talk about uh the campaign right
[11:24] now.