The David Samorano Show Ep. 8 - Officer Jesse Main

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[0:36] >> Good morning everybody. I don't have

[0:38] myself in my

[0:43] Anyway. Yeah, we got There we go. I

[0:46] still don't hear myself, but I'm going

[0:47] to keep going. Good morning everybody.

[0:48] Welcome to the David Srono Show here on

[0:49] the Live the Dream Media Network. I'm

[0:52] excited for today's guest. We're jumping

[0:54] in. We're we're doing a national show

[0:56] today. We're bringing on a guest from

[0:58] the East Coast and it is going to be a

[1:02] great learning experience. I'm excited

[1:04] to bring on Jess, Officer Jesse Mane of

[1:06] the York County Regional Police

[1:07] Department in Pennsylvania and his

[1:09] four-legged partner, K9 Tango. Tango is

[1:13] an electronic storage detection dog

[1:15] trained to sniff out hidden digital

[1:17] devices like thumb drives, SD cards,

[1:19] phones, and hard drives that can hold

[1:20] critical evidence in human trafficking

[1:23] and child sexual abuse material cases.

[1:26] Working alongside the Internet Crimes

[1:29] Against Children Task Force, Officer

[1:31] Maine and Tango help investigators

[1:33] uncover what others might miss, bringing

[1:36] offenders to justice and protecting the

[1:39] most vulnerable among us. So, Officer

[1:43] Jesse Mine and I met in Washington DC

[1:45] when I was there for a conference with

[1:47] the Crimestoppers organization, ADA

[1:48] Crime, that I I volunteer on the board.

[1:51] And I saw his presentation. I said, "You

[1:54] know what? We need to get this on one of

[1:55] our shows because I did not know that

[1:59] the dogs being trained for this, they

[2:02] they were they even existed." I mean,

[2:04] it's really really cool. Well, I've

[2:05] always heard of dogs that can find like,

[2:07] you know, explosive devices and and

[2:09] other things, drugs

[2:11] and and whatnot, but when it comes to

[2:13] storage devices, I thought it was a

[2:15] trip. And, you know, officer officer

[2:17] Maine's going to get into how Tango was

[2:19] trained, who he was trained by, and how

[2:22] he picks up on on Officer Tango picks up

[2:26] on these storage devices. So, it's it's

[2:28] going to be great. Before we get into

[2:30] that, we got to talk about this wind.

[2:31] So, I'm driving down Old Father on the

[2:33] way here to the studio and I noticed in

[2:35] the road roofing shingles. So, somebody

[2:39] is going to need some roof work and uh

[2:42] Blueprint Home Services, Blueprint

[2:45] Roofing and Solar is a great option.

[2:48] Daniel Romero, he's one of our neighbors

[2:49] here in the complex. He's one of our

[2:51] advertisers. So, if you're listening or

[2:53] watching you and you know your roof is

[2:55] taking a beating with these winds, by

[2:57] all means, contact Daniel and his team.

[3:00] I don't know if I've ever seen

[3:03] wind that's just sustained a beating. Uh

[3:08] so last night after I got home from the

[3:10] pumpkin patch, I I went in the backyard

[3:12] and I started securing all the stuff

[3:14] that we have that could fly around

[3:16] because I had I had started seeing the

[3:17] news post about this pretty often and

[3:19] I'm like, "Okay, this is this is going

[3:21] to be legit." Like, it's I think this is

[3:23] going to be the real deal. And they

[3:24] weren't kidding. I mean, it is so windy

[3:27] outside. You can barely see anything.

[3:30] Trees are whipping around. Um, I've

[3:33] heard stuff flying

[3:36] by the house, you know, maybe people's

[3:37] trampolines

[3:39] and whatever else they didn't secure. I

[3:43] have heard stuff banging and flying

[3:44] around and every time I look, I'm like,

[3:46] was that so bad? So, started about like

[3:48] 4 in the morning, I started hearing all

[3:50] these noises and I'm looking out and

[3:53] it's dark and so I can't really see

[3:54] anything, but I can hear stuff flying.

[3:56] So, I went downstairs to make sure that

[3:58] none of the stuff I had thought I

[4:00] secured was flying away, and it appeared

[4:01] to be it appeared to be good. So, be

[4:04] careful out there if you're try if

[4:06] you're traveling. I can't imagine what

[4:08] the freeways look like right now,

[4:09] especially going up to Phoenix. And just

[4:12] be cautious about what's going on.

[4:14] High-profile vehicle vehicles, that's

[4:16] always that's always a challenge. So,

[4:18] really pay attention to what's going on.

[4:20] I can't wait to jump into some of these

[4:22] news stories I have after the interview

[4:25] with Jesse Maine. I've got a couple I

[4:27] really want to talk about. Some of them,

[4:28] you know, they're they're just funny.

[4:31] And uh again, the news the news that's

[4:36] not really news, you know, I I I get it.

[4:38] Some people send stuff in and they're

[4:39] like, "Hey, can you can you give this

[4:41] thing some airtime?"

[4:43] Whatever it may be. Um

[4:47] it it's Yeah, it's going to be on that

[4:48] link, Tony. Sorry. I sent him that link

[4:50] right there. He'll be popping in

[4:52] shortly.

[4:54] the the news stories just kind of blow

[4:55] me away. And I I think you're going to

[4:57] go, "What in the heck?" You gota you got

[4:59] to spin them all with humor, though,

[5:00] because that's the only only way to get

[5:02] through them. But hey, you know, during

[5:04] the interview today with Officer Maine,

[5:05] if you find yourself wanting to ask

[5:06] questions about the dog and and some

[5:08] other stuff, I by all means ask away.

[5:10] You know, this is an opportunity that I

[5:13] also get because during the conference,

[5:15] you know, you you get the presentation

[5:16] of what he has time for. So, and I think

[5:18] it was only maybe half an hour or an

[5:21] hour. And uh he had Tango with him and

[5:23] he showed us, you know, Officer Tango

[5:26] working, but we're here to learn on this

[5:29] one for sure. So, once Officer Maine

[5:32] gets in here, we will uh we will bring

[5:34] him on. In the meantime, we will uh

[5:37] we'll jump to one of these stories that

[5:39] is just uh related to, you know, we were

[5:42] talking about I was at the Crimes

[5:42] Stoppers conference. So, a reward of up

[5:45] to $4,000 is being offered for

[5:47] information that could help solve a

[5:49] Tucson homicide from more than a decade

[5:51] ago. Tucson police say Isvaldo Raul

[5:53] Vargas was shot outside of his house

[5:54] near 19th Street and 10th Avenue in

[5:57] January of 2014. Investigators say a

[6:01] dark colored SUV similar to a Dodge

[6:03] Durango or Chevy Blazer drove toward him

[6:07] and fired multiple shots. Vargas died

[6:10] from his injuries several days later.

[6:11] Anyone with information is asked to call

[6:15] 88 crime where you can remain anonymous.

[6:18] So I encourage you if you have any

[6:19] information on that case, please reach

[6:21] out. It's a cold case from 2014 and you

[6:25] know solving solving giving closure to

[6:27] families and stuff is important. Now I

[6:29] see uh Officer Maine has joined us here

[6:32] on the show and without further ado,

[6:36] let's turn it over

[6:38] from the York County Regional Police

[6:41] Department. How you doing this morning,

[6:42] Jesse?

[6:43] >> Hey, Dave. How are you? Good morning.

[6:46] >> I'm good, man. I'm good. Thanks for

[6:47] joining me.

[6:48] >> Connection. All right.

[6:49] >> Yeah, it looks great. Everything's good,

[6:51] you know, and it's Welcome from the East

[6:53] Coast, sir.

[6:55] [laughter]

[6:56] >> Thank you. Yep. Thanks. I had I got to

[6:58] probably sleep a little longer than you

[6:59] this morning.

[7:01] >> Yeah. Yeah. It you know, I'm I'm up

[7:03] early most mornings just out of

[7:05] necessity, so I'm I'm kind of used to

[7:07] it. That's why my hair's gone. I

[7:09] actually had hair while I sleep.

[7:11] >> [laughter]

[7:13] >> So, hey, Officer Man, give us a rundown

[7:14] of of your career and how you end up

[7:17] with a K-9 like tango.

[7:21] >> Yeah, he's uh he is in the room with me.

[7:23] He's laying on the floor right now. I'll

[7:24] have to pop him up in the camera here at

[7:26] some point. Um so, I've been with York

[7:29] County Regional Police since the since I

[7:31] started my career. I've been there 10

[7:32] years now. Um about half my career I

[7:36] have been uh part of the internet crime

[7:38] sketch children task force. So, a little

[7:39] over five years, but half my career I've

[7:41] been part of that um that task force in

[7:43] Pennsylvania. Every state across the

[7:44] United States has uh a very similar task

[7:47] force that that investigates crimes like

[7:49] that. Um back in the early part of my

[7:52] career, I always knew uh even before I

[7:54] became a police officer, when I knew I

[7:56] wanted to do this work, uh I always kind

[7:58] of wanted to be involved in K9 and have

[8:01] a dog in my career at some point. So, I

[8:03] had uh put in for that, you know,

[8:05] thought through our chain of command

[8:06] requested to to do K9 work with them and

[8:11] it took um a little bit of time just to

[8:14] be selected for it. We didn't have

[8:15] canines at the time. We had them years

[8:17] prior, but we were we didn't have them.

[8:19] So, it just took a little bit of time to

[8:20] get the unit, you know, up and running

[8:22] again. Um I was actually didn't even

[8:24] know about these types of dogs at the

[8:26] time. They were still very rare. Um, and

[8:28] when I was putting in for K9, you know,

[8:30] I was thinking that, you know, I was

[8:31] going to get a patrol dog or a drug dog

[8:33] or a bomb dog, something like that, you

[8:35] know. Uh, my chief of police ended up uh

[8:37] offering me or showing me this

[8:39] electronics canine um

[8:42] company that that trains these dogs. And

[8:45] uh I knew nothing about it, you know

[8:46] what I mean? I had to do research at the

[8:47] time on it and what it was. It was new.

[8:49] We all had to do research. is they were

[8:51] again still pretty new early on in their

[8:54] uh kind of in their time of g getting

[8:57] put out in the United States. Um and

[8:59] then I just got selected for it and due

[9:01] to the work he does is that's when I had

[9:03] um started my time in the internet

[9:04] crimes against children task force and

[9:06] had been doing like I said been doing

[9:08] that for [snorts] a little over five

[9:09] years now. So me and him he's been me

[9:11] and him joined the task force the exact

[9:13] same time together. So

[9:14] >> that's really cool. So, what let's go

[9:17] over Tango at the breed age and and how

[9:20] long.

[9:20] >> Yeah.

[9:21] >> Yeah. So, Tango is a he's an English

[9:23] Labrador. Um he's seven years old now.

[9:26] He turned seven in August. Uh he's been

[9:28] in like I said, he's been in service

[9:29] with me about a little over five years.

[9:31] Um he's like we I said before, he's an

[9:34] electronics K9. So, we call him

[9:35] electronic storage detection is what the

[9:37] ES you might see them sometimes. They're

[9:39] called ESD. You'll see an ESD canine.

[9:42] That's the ESD stands for electronic

[9:43] storage detection. Um yeah, he's seven

[9:46] years old. He's been a little over five

[9:48] years uh in service.

[9:51] So um he got trained initially uh at a

[9:56] company called Jordan Detection K9. Uh

[9:58] it's a company in Indiana that that

[10:00] trains these um electronics dogs. The

[10:03] majority of them come from uh his

[10:05] company. I know I don't know much about

[10:06] the other organizations or other

[10:08] companies that that do train them. I

[10:09] know there is some throughout the US

[10:11] that still that do train these

[10:13] electronics dogs, but uh that's where

[10:14] Tango came from. Jordan Detection came

[10:16] out out in Indiana. Um shout out to Todd

[10:19] Jordan out there is the chief trainer.

[10:21] He does uh does great work with these

[10:22] dogs.

[10:24] >> It's really cool. What's the hardest

[10:25] skill to learn about or I guess you say

[10:29] tasks or flow to learn about having a K9

[10:32] because you're you're basically reint

[10:34] you're like introducing this counterpart

[10:37] into your daily life. I mean, I think a

[10:40] lot of folks think that maybe the dogs

[10:41] just stay in some kind of housing at the

[10:44] police department, but that's not

[10:45] necessarily true, right? I mean, Tango's

[10:47] with you pretty often.

[10:48] >> Yeah. Everybody has different things

[10:50] obviously they have to work around when

[10:51] they become a handler. You know, I I

[10:53] remember when I was in the initial

[10:55] school. Um, some handlers will change

[10:57] the name of their dog. Uh, so when you

[10:59] get assigned the dog, the dog already

[11:00] has a name obviously because it was

[11:02] trained by a puppy razor or has been

[11:04] trained there at the facility. So, they

[11:05] have to give it a name, you know. So,

[11:07] some handlers will actually change the

[11:08] name of the dog. I decided Tango was

[11:10] already named Tango when I got him. And

[11:12] uh I didn't I like the name to begin

[11:14] with, but the reason I say this is

[11:16] because I didn't want to deal with uh

[11:19] having to change it, have to have him

[11:21] learn a whole new name. You know,

[11:22] learning how to work a dog was hard

[11:23] enough for me alone, you know, to just

[11:26] figure out how to do it. Um so, just the

[11:28] one is just to start to build the bond

[11:30] with the dog. You know, the dog has been

[11:32] trained by other people before you get

[11:34] them. you know, they have a bond with

[11:35] those trainers to a degree, you know,

[11:37] but um it's just first off, it's just

[11:39] building that bond with the dog, a bond

[11:40] that you've never if you've never been a

[11:42] handler, a bond that you've never had

[11:44] before, you know, um and just working

[11:47] through those those little nuances of

[11:50] being, you know, those early stages of

[11:52] being a new handler, you know, learning

[11:53] what the dog will do, um learning the

[11:55] behavior of the dog, just learning in

[11:57] general how to work the dog because the

[12:00] dog, it's always, we always say in the

[12:03] in the handler world, It's not the dog's

[12:05] fault, it's the handler's fault.

[12:06] [laughter]

[12:07] Dog, if if you know the dog isn't uh if

[12:10] if we don't think, you know, the dog

[12:12] might not be finding something or might

[12:13] be missing a device in training or

[12:15] something, it's not the dog's fault. The

[12:17] dog knows how to find it. It's it's your

[12:18] fault. You're not working the dog

[12:20] correctly. You know, it's usually falls

[12:22] back on the handler. So, just learning

[12:23] how to work a dog to begin with for the

[12:25] first time in my life was, you know, uh

[12:27] a hill I had to climb. And then just in

[12:30] your personal life, you know, it's it's

[12:31] you have to learn um how to you some

[12:35] people have dogs, you know, I had a dog

[12:36] I had a German Shepherd at the time and

[12:38] just incorporating them two together was

[12:40] a uh was a feat really to a task to have

[12:43] to overcome. I had a male German

[12:44] Shepherd. I had him for uh four and a

[12:47] half years. So, you know, I'm coming

[12:48] home from K9 school now with this new,

[12:50] you know, dad goes away for a few weeks

[12:52] and comes home and [laughter] all of a

[12:53] sudden I just show up, you know, with

[12:55] this new dog that's that that um that's

[12:57] never been in the house. And if

[12:58] [clears throat] any anybody's ever owned

[12:59] German shepherds before, especially

[13:01] males, they know they're kind of

[13:02] territorial. So just having to train

[13:03] both of them to be able to interact with

[13:05] each other and and have a I guess a

[13:07] normal household, you know. Um so just

[13:10] overcoming just some stuff in the house.

[13:12] And then and then these dogs are all the

[13:14] dogs trained at Georgia detection are

[13:16] all food rewarded canines. So they um

[13:19] they're they're not toy driven like a

[13:21] lot of other canines are where they get

[13:23] a bite, you know, a ball that they get

[13:25] when they find the drugs or they find

[13:26] the bomb or they you know they they

[13:28] catch the bad guy. Um they're these are

[13:30] food rewarded dogs. So because they are

[13:32] this way they have to train every single

[13:34] day to get their meals. Um they train I

[13:37] train Tango twice a day in the early

[13:39] part of his career when I was obviously

[13:41] trying to build that bond and get him

[13:44] you know good at his job and get me good

[13:46] you know working with him. I train him

[13:47] three times a day for the majority of

[13:49] the time. Um, so they train to eat their

[13:52] food, you know. So I train him about an

[13:53] hour ago for his breakfast and um,

[13:56] that's how he gets his dinner or excuse

[13:57] me, that's how I got his breakfast and

[13:58] I'll train him tonight and he'll get his

[13:59] dinner. You know, we hide devices and he

[14:01] gets it. So just learning incorporating

[14:03] that in my daily life is also something

[14:06] you have to adjust to. Uh as I tell

[14:09] everybody over time it becomes a daily

[14:11] routine of yours like waking up and

[14:12] brushing your teeth you know it becomes

[14:14] just part of your daily thing that you

[14:15] get very very used to doing it but it um

[14:18] but it is a lot of work something that

[14:19] you have to incorporate and you have to

[14:21] realize it's seven days 365 days a year

[14:24] you know what I mean that's your that's

[14:25] >> have this dog and you're training that

[14:27] dog you know and have to work them.

[14:29] >> That's a heck of a commitment. So I've

[14:31] I've got uh all the photos you sent me

[14:33] of

[14:35] here on on the screen. You can't see

[14:36] them, but on my end, I've got them. And

[14:39] the, you know, I was talking to folks

[14:41] that I was going to be bringing you on

[14:42] today to talk about this. And the first

[14:45] question they get other than the breed,

[14:46] what the the first question they would

[14:48] ask other than the breed was, how does

[14:51] Tango pick up on these storage devices?

[14:54] What What is going on inside of them

[14:56] that would attract Tango? So, can can

[14:59] you elaborate on that for us? Yeah, I

[15:01] that's probably the most questions we I

[15:03] get asked all the time is how how are

[15:04] they finding these, you know? Um, so the

[15:08] it's a long chemical name. Don't ask me

[15:10] to pronounce it because I know I'll

[15:11] butcher it if I try to pronounce it

[15:12] right now, but we call it TPPO. It's

[15:14] it's like the acronym for it. Um, it's a

[15:16] chemical compound that's put on the

[15:18] circuit board of storage devices that

[15:20] keeps the device from overheating. So,

[15:22] as I always explain to people, like when

[15:24] your when you turn your phone on and

[15:26] your phone's on, it's heating up, you

[15:27] know, your circuit board's getting hot.

[15:29] um it keeps that from overheating. Even

[15:31] a thumb drive, when you plug a thumb

[15:32] drive into the computer, that thumb

[15:34] drive is going to start to heat up

[15:35] because it's starting to do, you know,

[15:36] it's starting to do its job. It's

[15:38] working. So, um it's just a chemical

[15:40] compound that's coated in there to keep

[15:41] it from overheating on those devices

[15:43] when they're when they're running or

[15:45] they're turned on.

[15:48] So with that, with knowing that now with

[15:51] these pictures, right, some of these are

[15:53] [clears throat] obviously,

[15:55] I would say, active searches that Tango

[15:58] is working. Um,

[15:59] >> Yep.

[16:00] >> So, kind of break it break it down. How

[16:02] do we end up here where Tango is

[16:06] doing this work? What is going on?

[16:09] >> Um, all those pictures you see that that

[16:11] I had uh sent over to you, they're all

[16:13] real world. So, they're all real world

[16:14] searches of him uh on different scenes.

[16:17] I think there was one I sent you there.

[16:18] He's sitting there. He's smiling on the

[16:20] bed with [laughter]

[16:21] because that's some SD cards and micro

[16:23] SD cards that he found on a scene um

[16:25] inside of a bag. Um so, yeah. So, how

[16:28] these cases all originate, I mean, they

[16:30] come in different ways, you know what I

[16:31] mean? But, but the majority of cases

[16:34] like this, I'd say, come through what we

[16:35] call cyber tips. They call they come

[16:37] from the National Center on Missing and

[16:39] Exploited Children. um as simple as I

[16:41] can make it. You know, they'll start,

[16:44] not to you throw any ESP or electronic

[16:46] service provider like under the under

[16:48] the bus here, but you know, they'll come

[16:49] from Snapchat or Tik Tok or Facebook.

[16:51] You know, they'll say, "Hey, there's um

[16:54] potential child exploitation material on

[16:56] our platform. Um we don't want it on our

[16:59] platform. We want, you know, they don't

[17:01] want th that type of stuff across their,

[17:03] you know, their networks." Um they'll

[17:05] report it. Uh the National Center on

[17:08] Mist Exploited Children compiles as much

[17:10] information as they can and they narrow

[17:12] down as best they can where they believe

[17:14] a potential suspect doing this resides

[17:16] at. Um and then it'll trickle down to to

[17:19] the you know the jurisdiction that

[17:20] covers that area where they believe that

[17:22] it is. Um so then me or another uh

[17:25] another detective will get assigned

[17:27] those the case and then there'll you'll

[17:29] start to investigate it. Obviously, um

[17:31] if we get if the investigation leads to

[17:34] a residence, uh a residential, you know,

[17:36] home or an apartment or something based

[17:38] off the investigation, then we'll we'll

[17:40] generally execute a search warrant on

[17:42] that residence, uh to further

[17:44] investigate, you know, anybody that

[17:46] potentially may reside there that is uh

[17:48] either uploading or sharing um child

[17:51] exploitation material. Um so then when

[17:54] we execute those search warrants, the

[17:56] majority, you know, what we're looking

[17:57] for is electronic stores devices. You

[17:59] know, a lot of this is done on the

[18:00] internet. You go to laptops, you know,

[18:02] thumb drives, phones, whatever, whatever

[18:04] you could really think of, you know, um,

[18:06] as we're looking for it, usually on

[18:08] scenes like that. And the smallest

[18:10] device Tango can find, uh, is a micro SD

[18:13] card. It's there's one in that picture

[18:14] that I said that's sitting on the bed

[18:16] there in front of him. Very, very small.

[18:17] As everybody knows, you know, micro SD

[18:19] cards and SIM cards the size of our

[18:21] pinky fingernail. It's very, very small.

[18:23] Um, so there's a lot of places you could

[18:25] put that. Um, so these dogs, you know,

[18:27] Tagle will go on scene with me and, uh,

[18:30] help us. Sometimes he'll do pre-arches

[18:33] is what we call it. So he'll, you know,

[18:34] investigators will say, "Hey, we just

[18:36] want him to search the room before we go

[18:38] in there." You know, there may not be

[18:39] what we call plain view devices sitting

[18:42] in the open. So you might go into a room

[18:43] and there's not laptops sitting in the

[18:45] open. There's not a bunch of devices

[18:46] sitting out. So investigators will say,

[18:48] "Hey, can you let Tango work the room

[18:50] and let him indicate and tell us where

[18:52] devices may be located within the room?"

[18:54] Um, sometimes he'll do post searches

[18:56] too, meaning investigators will go into

[18:58] a room and they'll search it and uh

[19:01] they'll pull devices out, you know,

[19:03] they'll they'll take the plane view

[19:04] devices sitting in the open, they'll

[19:06] search the drawers, you know, under the

[19:08] bed, whatever to find what they want to

[19:10] what they can locate, and then they'll

[19:12] have Tango search after the fact to make

[19:13] sure we did not miss anything. Um,

[19:16] happens regularly. We're humans and

[19:18] that's kind of why we have these dogs.

[19:19] You know, one we just may completely

[19:21] miss something um that's not in our

[19:24] normal eye or or it may be hidden. You

[19:25] know, suspects will generally we'll hide

[19:28] this stuff on a regular basis. Uh so we

[19:30] don't find it, you know, because they

[19:32] know we we may be looking for it at some

[19:34] point. You know,

[19:35] >> what's the most complex type of area

[19:37] you've, you know, you've taken Tango to

[19:39] and you found something and you were

[19:40] like, "Whoa, what a trip."

[19:43] >> Yeah. I'm trying to think. Um,

[19:47] honestly, and I don't remember for sure

[19:49] in some of those pictures, I think you

[19:51] can tell just what the rooms look like,

[19:54] you know, many.

[19:55] >> Yeah, they're kind of messy. I noticed

[19:56] that. Yeah, I noticed that they tend to

[19:58] Is that like a correlation you see with

[20:00] these these predators? Yes. You know?

[20:02] >> Yes. A lot of these Yes. I I would say a

[20:04] lot of the correlation is I mean I I've

[20:06] probably Tango has been deployed on a

[20:09] little over 120 searches probably in his

[20:11] career and I'd say about 95% of them the

[20:14] houses are pretty you know cluttered and

[20:16] and um a lot of stuff you know kind of

[20:19] hoarded up or just stuff laying all over

[20:21] the place. So just his ability to work

[20:24] in those environments is great. Um just

[20:28] just to give you some examples of stuff

[20:30] you know that he f found you know in

[20:33] environments like that. I mean, really

[20:35] early on in his career, probably the

[20:37] first few months, uh he was working a

[20:40] very cluttered bedroom, a lot of stuff,

[20:42] uh he indicated on this little box and

[20:46] uh the investigators opened it up and

[20:48] I'm still a new handler at this point,

[20:49] you know, and and there's a pen inside

[20:51] of it. And I was thinking at first being

[20:55] a new handler, oh, he's false indicating

[20:58] on me is what we call it. You know, he's

[20:59] telling me there's something there and

[21:00] there's not. But I reverted back to the

[21:02] training that they train us and said,

[21:04] "Trust your dog." You know, the dog,

[21:06] trust what the dog's telling you. So, we

[21:09] looked at the um the the pen a little

[21:12] bit more and we took it apart and there

[21:13] it was actually a camera and the very

[21:15] tip of the pen, the clicker was a pen in

[21:18] the very top. There's a little micro SD

[21:20] card that was inside of it. Um so,

[21:21] that's just uh was an interesting find

[21:23] of his. Um, I could tell you another

[21:27] example. We call them, excuse me, we

[21:30] [clears throat] call them second

[21:31] offenders. So, meaning that they have

[21:33] already been convicted of some form of

[21:35] child crime or a sex offense in the past

[21:37] and they've, you know, served their time

[21:39] in in prison and they're back out again,

[21:42] you know, in society. Um, and then

[21:44] they're being reinvestigated, you know,

[21:46] for for another violation of sex offense

[21:48] or a child crime. So, we call them

[21:50] second offenders. I um I executed a

[21:52] search warrant one time um with a local

[21:55] interstate agency room again very very

[21:58] cluttered nothing in the open they

[21:59] didn't see anything and they did do a

[22:01] pre-search uh never found anything so we

[22:04] ran tango in the room and uh the only

[22:06] thing he indicated on in the room was a

[22:08] clothes hamper um I rewarded him you

[22:11] know moved him out of the room put him

[22:13] back in the car and when we went

[22:14] investigators went back and searched it

[22:16] I I I was actually physically the one

[22:18] that picked the clothes hamper up and

[22:19] it's full of stuff it's full of trash,

[22:23] clothing, you know, dirty underwear,

[22:25] stuff none of us want to touch, even

[22:26] with gloves on. You know, investigators

[22:28] like we we don't want to touch that. So,

[22:30] we pick up the clothes hamper and we

[22:32] dumped it out. And it was almost like a

[22:34] scene from a movie. You know, the last

[22:35] thing that falls out of the clos hamper

[22:37] was a cell phone. And because it was um

[22:41] facing upward the screen, a lot of our

[22:43] phones, you know, modern phones have

[22:44] facial recognition and they try to

[22:45] unlock with a f with a face. it hits it

[22:48] sees us, our faces looking at it and it

[22:51] tries to unlock itself because it's

[22:52] trying to do face recognition and it was

[22:53] powered on. Um so uh they interviewed

[22:57] that that suspect and that suspect

[22:58] admitted that when he heard the police

[23:00] at the door knocking um for the search

[23:02] warrant that he tried to hide that and

[23:04] throw it in that nasty clothes hamper so

[23:06] we wouldn't find it. Uh now that that we

[23:08] told him the dog found it, he he

[23:09] admitted that he hid that. So just envir

[23:11] that's just, you know, two examples of

[23:13] interesting finds that he has had. Um,

[23:17] he's had many like that though, you know

[23:19] what I mean? Where it's it's if we did

[23:21] not have him, we more than likely would

[23:23] have never found the device we were

[23:24] looking for. You know, we would have

[23:26] completely missed it.

[23:28] >> Yeah, that's huge. I mean, you're you're

[23:29] talking about this difference of of

[23:31] justice and not justice when when Tango

[23:34] comes in. I mean,

[23:35] >> you're getting a case and and you likely

[23:38] had evidence on it, right? I mean, we're

[23:40] not hiding our phones for no reason. I'm

[23:41] not, you know, speculating or anything.

[23:43] Just

[23:44] >> Yeah. Sometimes I get it. Yeah,

[23:46] sometimes I do get it relayed to me

[23:47] later on like, hey, what he found had

[23:49] evidence on it. Sometimes I don't. But I

[23:51] would wouldn't disagree with you there.

[23:52] If you're hiding [laughter] it in if

[23:53] you're trying to hide it from us,

[23:54] there's probably going to be something

[23:55] of interest to us, you know, of

[23:57] evidentiary value is going to be on the

[23:59] device most likely. So

[24:01] >> you So, you know, you know, I was going

[24:02] to ask this and uh if you can't share

[24:05] it, that's okay, but what's the the

[24:07] biggest or most impactful case

[24:10] >> you've worked on with Tango? And it

[24:12] doesn't necessarily need to be, you

[24:14] know, headline worthy that, you know,

[24:16] had been in the news, but I would say a

[24:19] case that would yield a significant

[24:23] uh conviction and sentencing, you know,

[24:26] cuz I I remember when I worked in law

[24:28] enforcement, there were folks that would

[24:31] uh commit sex crimes and they would end

[24:33] up with 200 plus years. You know, I have

[24:36] my opinions on when we get to a certain

[24:38] threshold, I don't know what we're

[24:39] doing. You know what I mean? But yeah,

[24:41] >> but but in essence they would go to

[24:43] prison and their sentence would be 200

[24:45] years, right? And you would see like,

[24:47] >> you know, 60 counts of this, this, this,

[24:50] and this, and this. Do you have any case

[24:52] that you and Tango worked on where you

[24:54] can go, hey, yeah, this was the

[24:57] >> Yeah, I I do. Is there some that have

[25:00] held way longer sentences than others?

[25:02] Yes. I always say there every single one

[25:05] of them is impactful. You know what I

[25:07] mean? every child doesn't matter whether

[25:09] it's one image of of child exploitation

[25:11] material or you know or 10,000 or you

[25:15] know 500,000 um

[25:18] >> that child whether we know who they are

[25:20] in that image or video is a victim you

[25:22] know what I mean they will they're still

[25:24] being victimized by these uh by these

[25:27] individuals you know um even if the

[25:30] video and pictures you know 20 30 years

[25:32] old you know they're still being

[25:33] victimized by these individuals so I

[25:35] would say every single case that we're

[25:37] involved with or Tango has found stuff

[25:38] is is heavily impactful, you know,

[25:41] you're good can matter, you know.

[25:43] >> Um, but there there has been obviously

[25:45] cases that he's dealt with, you know,

[25:47] not to give case information out or or

[25:48] or individuals and they've been

[25:50] sentenced already, but you know,

[25:51] probably federal cases, you know, uh

[25:53] cases involving uh the federal level, uh

[25:56] FBI, stuff like that, you know,

[25:58] Department of Homeland Security.

[25:59] Obviously, the cases that they're

[26:01] handling are going to be a lot higher

[26:02] level uh than a local police, you know.

[26:05] So just um uh he has found uh I remember

[26:08] a case

[26:10] uh probably two three years ago now um

[26:12] that he found some SD cards that were

[26:14] not initially found during a search uh

[26:16] for a federal case and that individual

[26:19] was convicted I think just recently in

[26:22] the last about the last year and he got

[26:24] uh 30 30 to 40 years in prison. Um uh he

[26:29] but he was a hands-on offender also. you

[26:31] know, we call hands-on offenders mean

[26:32] that they're not just possessing or um

[26:36] you know, distributing

[26:39] child sexual exploitation material.

[26:41] They're also either manufacturing it

[26:43] themselves with a with a child victim.

[26:45] Um so we call them, you know, hands-on

[26:46] offenders, hands-on sex offenders. Um

[26:49] probably a case you know similar cases

[26:50] like that usually at the federal level

[26:52] where he's found stuff and those

[26:53] individuals are getting convicted to you

[26:55] know like I said 30 40 and sometimes you

[26:57] like you're saying year I mean it could

[26:58] be like a 100 years you know sometimes

[27:00] you're seeing which like well you know

[27:01] may maybe not in our lifetime maybe

[27:04] they'll figure out how humans can live

[27:05] that long but you know so um but yeah I

[27:07] always say that they're every single one

[27:09] no matter you know what level it is

[27:11] whether it's a local police level or all

[27:12] the way up the federal you know they're

[27:14] all um can be heavily impactful you know

[27:17] and can make make a big big difference,

[27:19] you know, in

[27:21] >> I I just hope people can understand and

[27:25] just really see how important the work

[27:28] you guys do is because this is going on

[27:31] like crazy.

[27:34] I mean, it it was constant. So, I when I

[27:36] when I was working at the the local

[27:38] police department here that I worked

[27:39] for, I was at the school I was a school

[27:41] resource officer. So, you can imagine

[27:42] that I would get those Nickmick

[27:44] >> Yeah.

[27:45] >> tips pretty often.

[27:46] >> Tips come through. Yeah.

[27:47] >> Yeah. they come through for the for the

[27:48] students at the school and you know the

[27:49] school only had you know at the time

[27:51] probably 2500 students um and that that

[27:55] that's just like a like a little island

[27:57] right and I remember the amount of tips

[27:58] and stuff that would come in and I I

[28:00] think about you so York County

[28:03] >> so are you guys covering several

[28:04] different like little municipalities I

[28:07] mean what's going on so over here you

[28:09] know in Arizona especially where we're

[28:11] at in southern Arizona you have every

[28:13] municipality has its own police

[28:14] department for the most part and then we

[28:16] have the county sheriff sheriff that

[28:18] covers like the rural rural areas and

[28:20] whatnot and the unincorporated spots,

[28:21] but are you guys covering a a bunch of

[28:23] different things because it says region?

[28:25] >> Yeah. So, so the majority of

[28:27] Pennsylvania is similar to Arizona that

[28:29] you know that there's single

[28:30] municipality police departments, whether

[28:31] it's a township, a burrow, you know, is

[28:34] being covered by their own police. Um

[28:36] there has been this trend, I'd say,

[28:38] across some counties in Pennsylvania. Uh

[28:40] there's the regional police departments

[28:42] exist, which is um what I work for. And

[28:45] it the only way I could describe it is

[28:46] it's kind of like a county police

[28:48] department. So that's why our, you know,

[28:50] our our departmental name is York County

[28:52] Regional Police. Um what happens is

[28:54] these municipalities kind of come

[28:56] together and say, "Hey, we want to have

[28:58] one single police department together,

[29:01] you know." So there, um we cover I'd say

[29:04] a little less than half of York County.

[29:07] Um there's a couple other regional

[29:08] agencies in York County. There's another

[29:10] one very similar size to us that covers

[29:12] a large majority of the county also. And

[29:14] then there is still single

[29:15] municipalities that exist um um across

[29:18] uh P, you know, across your county and

[29:20] PA that that is still covered by single

[29:22] municipality police departments. I don't

[29:23] know if it's like this in Arizona. Any

[29:25] of the municipalities that don't have a

[29:27] local police are covered by the state

[29:29] police. Um there's there's a lot of

[29:31] rural area if you've ever been to

[29:33] Pennsylvania, you know, very very rural

[29:35] area in some parts of the state, you

[29:37] know, mountain area that there's

[29:39] residential or resident, you know,

[29:40] population size is very very small, you

[29:42] know, so they just forward or don't have

[29:44] their own local police. The state police

[29:46] covers any area that is uh not doesn't

[29:48] have a local police covering it.

[29:50] >> Oh wow. Yeah, that's a little different

[29:51] here. So here the county the counties

[29:54] would cover those areas uh that don't

[29:55] have like their own municip municipal

[29:57] police and then the state police we call

[29:59] them the state troopers so we can't get

[30:01] that wrong here that changes [laughter]

[30:04] don't call police

[30:06] >> the state troopers you know they they

[30:07] ride the highways here um and that's

[30:10] pretty much the only time they leave

[30:11] that is you know they do have some

[30:12] specific units the state police does um

[30:15] uh you know like uh autotheft task force

[30:19] uh gang stuff uh and some drug, you

[30:22] know, drug operation stuff that they

[30:23] work on. But for the most part, our uh

[30:25] state troopers stick to the highways.

[30:27] So, uh, you know, some of those folks

[30:29] that work in the local or worked in the

[30:31] local police would would make remarks

[30:33] about that because they would be like,

[30:34] "Oh, they left the highway. It's not our

[30:36] problem." You know, [laughter]

[30:38] they go, "We're done." So, but yeah, I

[30:41] thought it was interesting. I was kind

[30:41] of curious about how you guys were set

[30:43] up out there.

[30:44] >> Yeah. So, and you you touched on this

[30:46] the the amount of like cyber tips, you

[30:48] know, you were saying you got them in

[30:49] the school, you know, with the SRO. It

[30:51] it's unfortunate, but we do get a lot,

[30:53] you know. Um I and I know there's like

[30:55] large cities, you know, that are getting

[30:58] thousands and thousands a year, you

[31:00] know, they're getting assigned to them.

[31:02] Um I know there's a dog, shout out to K9

[31:05] ESD K9 Chewy out in um California. Um I

[31:09] know there's another dog out in that

[31:10] area, but there's, you know, heavily

[31:11] populated county out there. They're

[31:13] running as far as I would far as I know

[31:16] per they're running multiple warrants a

[31:18] week, you know, and that's how many tips

[31:20] they're probably getting in cases that

[31:22] they're that's just an example I can

[31:23] give is I know they're a heavily active

[31:25] K9 team, you know what I mean? They're

[31:27] they're out um all the time, you know,

[31:29] for stuff. So, some areas just more busy

[31:31] than others. You know, they have more

[31:32] population size. Obviously, the cities

[31:33] are going to get more of these tips, but

[31:35] that, you know, it is a lot. It's a

[31:37] large influx. And um you know there's

[31:39] some ESPs we're getting more tips from

[31:43] than others. You know ESPs again meaning

[31:45] electronic service providers like you

[31:47] know uh Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat

[31:50] etc. Um we were just actually at the uh

[31:52] child crimes conference IAT conference

[31:54] in Pennsylvania um about a week or two

[31:57] ago and uh we had some roadblocks was

[31:59] there and Tik Tok and Snapchat. They all

[32:01] spoke to us and I always I will say um

[32:04] listening to them speak to us, their

[32:06] representatives, they are making an

[32:08] effort to make a high effort to make

[32:11] their platform safe. You know, they

[32:13] don't want this stuff going on on their

[32:15] platforms. You know, I've heard a lot of

[32:17] times, you know, out in public or

[32:20] whatever, you know, uh you know, this

[32:22] platform sucks because they let this

[32:24] stuff go on all the time or they don't

[32:26] care. Are there platforms like that that

[32:28] exist out there? Absolutely. There's

[32:30] platforms that do not care, you know,

[32:32] and they're or they're not cooperative

[32:33] with law enforcement, etc.

[32:35] >> What would be one of those? What would

[32:37] be one of those that you would say,

[32:38] "Hey,

[32:39] >> one that comes to mind immediately is

[32:41] Telegram."

[32:42] >> Telegram.

[32:42] >> Telegram

[32:44] is one that that exists that is a one I

[32:46] would stay far away from it. Um, you

[32:49] know, there's a lot of child

[32:50] exploitation material that gets thrown

[32:52] across that platform and they're they're

[32:54] overall not cooperative in law

[32:55] enforcement. Uh, they had a lot of legal

[32:57] troubles. um in the past few years I

[33:01] know I don't know if it's you know the

[33:03] creators of it or the owners but

[33:05] somebody involved in the higher echelon

[33:07] of telegram you know was arrested I

[33:09] think in France or I know it was in

[33:11] Europe um within the last few years

[33:13] because they weren't cooperating with

[33:15] law enforcement they will at their very

[33:18] bare minimum now you know only because

[33:20] they're required by certain laws that

[33:22] they have to but they won't cooperate

[33:24] and give you they won't give you

[33:25] anything they're not required to give

[33:27] you'll tell Right. So, you'll need

[33:28] search warrant to get anything.

[33:31] >> Yeah. Yeah. If you're even with a search

[33:32] warrant, you're you're you're not

[33:34] getting a lot, you know, of substance

[33:36] back from them. But the majority of the

[33:38] ones, you know, that that every I'd say,

[33:40] you know, the everyday user uses, you

[33:42] know, that we like to to say is, you

[33:44] know, the the Instagrams, the Facebooks,

[33:46] the Snapchats, you know, um this stuff

[33:48] goes on their platforms obviously, but I

[33:50] always say they don't want it going on

[33:52] on their platforms. you know that

[33:53] they're doing their best to try to

[33:55] combat it occurring on their platforms

[33:57] and remove the users and and assist law

[34:00] enforcement. You know, most of them are

[34:02] very very cooperative with us to to to

[34:04] investigate these things to make sure

[34:06] that we are either finding the suspects,

[34:08] you know, and they again they don't want

[34:09] them on the platform either, you know.

[34:11] >> Right. Right. Well, I I as as when I was

[34:14] working, so this would have been like

[34:15] 2019 20. found those platforms pretty

[34:19] supportive in general too with I had a

[34:20] couple drug cases that I worked and sent

[34:23] in uh search warrant stuff for it and

[34:25] they sent just an insane amount of data.

[34:28] I was very

[34:29] >> Yeah. Sometimes sometimes they'll just

[34:30] send you like everything they got for it

[34:32] because again they don't want they don't

[34:34] want criminal act Yeah. They don't want

[34:35] criminal activity occurring on their

[34:37] platform, you know. They they don't um

[34:39] and and I would say uh like I said,

[34:41] they've made some of the ones that had a

[34:43] lot of issues in the last few years have

[34:45] made a uh a big effort to combat and

[34:49] make changes to to make it better. I

[34:51] mean, what was it a year or two ago that

[34:52] Tik Tok had that like weak shutdown in

[34:55] the United States, like completely shut

[34:56] the platform off,

[34:58] >> you know, and uh it's obviously back up

[34:59] and running now, but it's because they

[35:00] made changes, you know, they started to

[35:02] make some changes on their platform to

[35:03] to make it safer, you know.

[35:06] I have seen a decrease in cyber tips

[35:09] from from you know just Tik Tok alone

[35:12] ever since those changes were being made

[35:14] you know which is a good thing you know

[35:16] the less we're seeing that means the

[35:17] less of this type of stuff exploitation

[35:19] stuff is going on on their platform you

[35:21] know

[35:21] >> right right okay so we're getting close

[35:23] to the end here so I I just have a

[35:24] couple more questions for you if you got

[35:25] time uh the first one is is ESD dogs

[35:28] like Tango are you seeing more getting

[35:31] trained and are you seeing police

[35:34] departments throughout the us hoping to

[35:37] get a tango because from what I remember

[35:40] from your presentation, there's not a

[35:42] ton of them. There's not a lot of them.

[35:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. I'd say there's a little

[35:46] over 300 of them. It's

[35:48] >> Don't quote me on numbers. The ones that

[35:49] I know of,

[35:51] >> there's a little over 300. And that's

[35:52] across the world.

[35:54] >> The majority are in the United States,

[35:56] but there is uh again, there may be dogs

[35:58] that that that are out there that I

[35:59] don't know that exist, but the ones that

[36:01] I know that are out there is about a

[36:02] little over 300 across the world. and uh

[36:04] the majority are in the United States,

[36:06] but there is dogs that they're putting

[36:07] out, you know, in Canada, in South

[36:09] America, in Asia, Europe, etc. to try to

[36:12] get these dogs out to these these law

[36:14] enforcements uh across the world because

[36:16] this stuff is obviously not just

[36:17] occurring in the United States. Um yeah,

[36:19] so I'd say there's a little over 300 and

[36:21] and yes, there has been a large increase

[36:23] uh in the the need or the want for these

[36:26] dogs. Uh Tango was the 54th trained dog

[36:28] with Jordan Detection Kinesis. He was

[36:30] kind of early on. Now they're a little

[36:31] over 300 trained through them. Um, so,

[36:34] um, he's not he's not an OG dog, I'd

[36:37] say, yet yet, but the trainers might say

[36:40] he's starting to get in the [laughter]

[36:40] OG world now. Now, he's starting, but

[36:43] they, um,

[36:45] >> yes, there there's more and more

[36:46] agencies wanting them and putting in for

[36:48] them. Um, obviously there's, you know,

[36:51] there's probably more putting in than we

[36:52] have, you know, that are being trained,

[36:54] you know. So, um, I know they're trying

[36:56] to do their best to get dogs because

[36:59] there's still states that don't have

[37:00] them, you know, that we know that don't

[37:02] even have them yet. So, I know they're

[37:03] trying to they're trying their best to

[37:05] get these canines and at least get one

[37:07] in every state, you know, as best they

[37:09] can and more, you know, than they can,

[37:11] especially in larger states like

[37:12] Pennsylvania. We have, I think, uh,

[37:15] eight or nine of them now, um, across

[37:17] the state of Pennsylvania because it's a

[37:19] large state, you know what I mean? We

[37:20] try to cover the area as best we can.

[37:23] >> Right. Right. So, the organization that

[37:25] trains these dogs, can you remind us who

[37:27] that is again and how do how do how do

[37:29] regular citizens support these guys?

[37:33] >> Yeah, so Tango is trained at Jordan

[37:35] Detection K9 in Indiana. Um, he has a

[37:37] website you can get on there and kind of

[37:39] read about the dogs. So, Tango is also

[37:41] sponsored by a company called Our

[37:43] Rescue. Um, our Rescue sponsors uh I

[37:47] think it's a little over 150 of the dogs

[37:50] um across the world. They have a couple

[37:52] dogs in in in different uh continents

[37:54] that they that they sponsor. Um so they

[37:59] support ES these ESD dogs and they also

[38:02] support law enforcement just in um uh

[38:05] different stuff like forensic stuff. For

[38:07] example, I I just was uh recently

[38:08] certified in the computer forensics

[38:10] world. So I just recently became a

[38:12] computer forensics examiner. Uh and they

[38:14] they um sponsor me to go there also. Um

[38:16] they're a nonprofit organization.

[38:18] Everything is donated to them by donors.

[38:20] Um, so they're supporting these dogs and

[38:23] uh and law enforcement across the world

[38:25] just by people donating to them. Um, you

[38:28] can go to their website, our rescue.org.

[38:31] Uh, it's urrescue.org.

[38:33] You can go on there and donate to them

[38:35] and and you can support the K9's on

[38:37] there. There's a a donation spot on

[38:39] there or just donate for other, you

[38:41] know, like I said, for other law

[38:42] enforcement support like digital

[38:44] forensic support, digital forensic

[38:46] software. or anybody that's been

[38:47] involved in that world that might be

[38:48] listening knows that stuff is extremely

[38:50] expensive, you know, it's very very very

[38:53] expensive the the stuff that that

[38:55] involves that the world of digital

[38:56] forensics. So yeah, they they support

[38:58] about 150 of the dogs

[39:00] >> across the world and they're great.

[39:02] They're an amazing organization and

[39:04] they're there's really their biggest

[39:06] mission is to combat human trafficking

[39:09] and child exploitation. you know, that's

[39:11] their biggest mission is to do that and

[39:13] and they're doing that dayto day, you

[39:15] know, by supporting local law or

[39:17] supporting law enforcement and the dogs

[39:19] and and and you know, digital forensics

[39:21] world, etc.

[39:23] >> Thank you. Yeah. So, hey listeners,

[39:24] viewers, if you're looking for, you

[39:26] know, that the season of giving is is

[39:28] upon us here. It's the end of the year.

[39:31] Uh let's support our rescue. Let's let's

[39:32] go ahead and do that and and let's make

[39:35] a let's keep this impact going. This is

[39:37] great work, Jesse. Hey, here's here's my

[39:39] favorite part about the presentation.

[39:41] Not only you I mean you're awesome,

[39:43] dude. I don't know if this was your

[39:44] first show or not, but you you you

[39:46] crushed it and props to you for coming

[39:48] on and taking time to join us. I know

[39:49] you have a

[39:50] >> lot lot of different presentations like

[39:52] you the one you were at before, but

[39:53] yeah, first show. First podcast show.

[39:55] >> Hey, congratulations. Hey, glad that it

[39:57] was with me and

[39:57] >> you guys got the first one.

[39:59] >> Yeah, this is how cool is networking,

[40:01] right? We we never met before. We go to

[40:03] this conference and now we're on a show

[40:05] together. I think

[40:06] >> it is great. It really is. That's some

[40:08] some of the best things you could do in

[40:09] this world is the network, you know.

[40:11] >> Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I and

[40:12] I'll make sure to keep in touch with

[40:13] you. So, you know, maybe we make this

[40:15] happen every couple months and get an

[40:16] update on what's going on in the crime

[40:18] world on the internet.

[40:20] >> The the coolest the coolest thing

[40:22] though,

[40:24] >> Tango has an Instagram.

[40:26] >> He does. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah, he does

[40:28] have an Instagram. Yeah, you can follow

[40:30] him. You can follow him uh uh on there.

[40:32] It's ESDK9

[40:35] Tango. So you can get on there and

[40:37] follow him. Uh try to keep him up to

[40:39] date, you know what I mean, on what what

[40:41] he's doing here and there. Uh there's a

[40:43] lot of real real world photos on there,

[40:45] you know what I mean, of him of him on

[40:46] scenes and and finding stuff. Some cute

[40:48] pictures, you know, just some stuff he's

[40:50] doing. Let me get him up in here real

[40:51] quick. Come here.

[40:52] >> Yeah. Let's let's see uh let's see

[40:53] Tango.

[40:54] >> He was asleep on the floor. [laughter]

[40:57] >> Oh, he's got his big stretch going here.

[40:59] >> Oh, I'm jealous. I wish that was me.

[41:03] >> Oh, there's Tango.

[41:06] Hi, Taylor.

[41:07] >> There he is.

[41:08] >> Oh, look at that.

[41:08] >> He's just been sleeping on the floor.

[41:09] He's like, "Come on, Dad. Why you waking

[41:10] up? [laughter]

[41:11] [gasps]

[41:12] >> Been working hard. Look at that. Oh, how

[41:14] cute. I love it. I love it." Yeah. So,

[41:17] hey, go follow Tango's Instagram. How

[41:19] cool is that? That you can go and just

[41:21] keep, you know, keep checking. I'm a

[41:23] follower now. I don't know if you saw

[41:24] that.

[41:24] >> Yeah, it's it it is great. It's It's fun

[41:26] to be able to like just kind of keep out

[41:28] there what he's what he's doing and, you

[41:30] know what I mean? And I know there's a

[41:31] lot of Hey, follow a lot of the other

[41:33] ones. There's a lot of the ESD dogs do

[41:34] have their own social media and uh that

[41:37] are on there that are constantly you

[41:38] know putting out their what they're

[41:40] doing dayto-day and and some uh

[41:42] trainings for parents uh you know for

[41:45] for what apps to stay away from or what

[41:48] apps to be cautious of etc. You know

[41:50] we're always trying to put some good

[41:51] information out there.

[41:52] >> Right. Right. So, hey, I say the next

[41:53] one we do, if you're cool with it, uh

[41:56] maybe next time, sometime next month or

[41:57] December if you can. Let's talk about

[42:00] apps and let's let's just do like a

[42:03] parents awareness thing. We're'll be

[42:04] coming towards the end of the semester.

[42:05] I think it's great. Uh some some

[42:08] information to put out. I think you have

[42:10] a lot of knowledge in those apps and and

[42:11] what to look for and what to stay away

[42:13] from. I think it'd be cool if you're

[42:14] interested. So, just let me know. You

[42:15] don't have to answer that today, but uh

[42:17] yeah, just let me know.

[42:18] >> No, I think it's great. I think I think

[42:21] just educate that's what you can do the

[42:23] best is educate people you know what I

[42:24] mean is educate parents and and uh

[42:27] >> a lot of a lot of it falls back on that

[42:30] alone you know what I mean just

[42:32] educating everybody on to make it all

[42:35] it'll only get better if we if we know

[42:37] you know there's many times I talk to

[42:38] parents and stuff they don't even know

[42:40] what the apps are you know or what

[42:41] occurs on them or or they didn't know

[42:43] they just thought it was hey you know

[42:45] they're on there watching videos

[42:46] innocent videos you know and they don't

[42:48] realize what's going on platform

[42:50] sometimes. So, yeah, just education will

[42:52] just make the the world safer for all of

[42:54] the kids, you know.

[42:55] >> Yeah, I think it's I think I've seen

[42:57] this saying and I'll probably get this

[42:58] wrong because I'm you know, I'm just

[43:00] probably will,

[43:01] >> but it's like when you give your

[43:02] children, you know, you think they have

[43:03] the world in their hands, but the world

[43:05] has them

[43:06] >> is when when you get the phone uh give

[43:08] the phone to a kid. So, I I hear that

[43:10] statement, I'm like, "Oh, man. That's

[43:12] that's the truth." So

[43:14] >> I I always have a slide in in internet

[43:16] safety talk I give that uh it's a

[43:18] picture of the world and there's a bunch

[43:19] of fingers touching the world and the

[43:22] point of there's no words on the slide

[43:23] and I always say that that all that

[43:25] slide means is that when you give a

[43:27] phone or the internet access to a kid

[43:29] the world is at the tip of their

[43:30] fingers.

[43:31] >> Yeah.

[43:31] >> Oh man. Yeah. Well hey thank you so much

[43:33] for joining us from uh York County. It's

[43:36] been a pleasure and I look forward to

[43:38] talking to you again soon. You know stay

[43:40] safe out there. you are in that in that

[43:42] world of law enforcement. So, uh, and

[43:44] keep doing the, man, this is the work

[43:46] you do, you and Tango. I I can't thank

[43:49] you enough.

[43:50] >> Yeah. Thanks, Dave. Thanks for having us

[43:52] on. We had a good time. Yeah, we'll

[43:53] definitely get together again and do it

[43:54] again.

[43:55] >> Okay, we'll take care. Hey, everybody.

[43:56] We're going to go to break. When we get

[43:57] back, we're going to go over a couple

[43:59] stories here uh locally and some tech

[44:01] stuff. So,

[44:03] we'll see you again shortly.

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[48:08] [snorts] think he's got something up his

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[48:11] he's got somebody else. But, okay, let's

[48:13] jump into let's jump into news here. Uh,

[48:16] we got a couple minutes left.

[48:18] [clears throat] And of course, we can't

[48:19] forget the meme of the day. We got to do

[48:21] that. That's part of the gig here. All

[48:22] right. So, the first one I want to talk

[48:24] about is Tesla. I don't know if any of

[48:26] you have seen the videos of the the

[48:29] Tesla going into the air and spinning

[48:34] and then landing softly.

[48:37] And the way they did this was compressed

[48:39] air. And there's actually video of Elon

[48:43] talking about this concept back in 2018

[48:47] where he basically came out on the Joe

[48:49] Rogan show and said, "Hey, we're going

[48:50] to do this." and they've made it happen

[48:54] and they showed it at an expo. So, this

[48:56] picture I I'm going to show you right

[48:58] here. So, this is the Tesla

[49:00] driving upside down on a roadway,

[49:04] it comes off, initiates the the air,

[49:08] compressed air, and lands. So, if you go

[49:10] go on any of your social platforms and

[49:11] look it up, um I I didn't have the video

[49:14] to I just didn't have it ready in time

[49:16] because some things pop up and you're

[49:18] like, "Oh man, I forgot to put that link

[49:19] in there." But do yourself a favor, go

[49:21] check out the video on one of your

[49:22] social media platforms and watch this. I

[49:24] had to watch it several times cuz, you

[49:25] know, with with AI and everything else,

[49:27] you're just like, is it real? I don't

[49:29] know. It's kind of hard to see. It it

[49:32] it's weird. It could look fake. But

[49:34] anyways, I'm looking at some news

[49:36] stories about it today, this morning,

[49:37] and uh they're they're claiming that

[49:39] it's it's legit. And it's just something

[49:41] to see where we're going. Of course,

[49:44] there's been memes about this this car

[49:48] and it's like police pull over and then

[49:51] it's like me and it's the the car

[49:52] flipping over other cars and doing all

[49:54] kinds of stuff. So, it's it's pretty

[49:56] funny. That that that is an interesting

[49:58] concept though. You know what's going to

[50:00] h where are we going with all this? I I

[50:02] I don't know.

[50:04] Everything's moving so fast. It's why

[50:06] you got to stay on top of everything you

[50:08] can. Okay, let's jump into the let's

[50:09] jump into the meme of the day.

[50:12] If you're seeing this, you I think we've

[50:14] all been there.

[50:16] You're grocery shopping. You're at the

[50:18] store. You're just you you're going

[50:20] there for that like one or two things

[50:23] that you need

[50:25] to get back home.

[50:27] Wife sends you on a on a quick mission.

[50:29] Hey, can you go grab this at the store?

[50:33] And you go to selfch checkckout. And the

[50:35] reason you go to selfch checkckout is

[50:36] likely because there's no other

[50:40] cash registers open or you're going

[50:43] there because you're like, you know

[50:45] what, I'm going to just get in and out.

[50:46] Especially at Walmart, right? You're

[50:48] just like, I'm just going to go handle

[50:49] this myself and I'm going to glide right

[50:51] out of here.

[50:54] And then something happens at the cash

[50:57] reg the the selfserve cash register and

[51:01] uh

[51:03] you're not going anywhere.

[51:05] me waiting for the cashier to notice me

[51:07] after I screwed up the selfch checkout

[51:09] again.

[51:12] I don't know about you guys, but every

[51:15] time for me it's because I accidentally

[51:18] double scan an item

[51:23] and [laughter]

[51:25] I double scan an item. I'm like, "Hey,

[51:26] can you come and you come and take this

[51:29] off?" Right?

[51:30] And then you get the you get the ones

[51:32] that are just like you just ruined their

[51:34] day because they have to go over there

[51:35] and help you.

[51:38] Like I the most of the folks they have

[51:40] working at the selfch checkckout

[51:42] stations, I imagine

[51:45] they're not at a regular register for a

[51:47] reason. Not hating on them. I'm just

[51:50] saying maybe that they they either like

[51:51] it or they're just like they don't

[51:53] really want to deal with people. You

[51:55] know, there's an expectation that we're

[51:56] going to go in there and we're going to

[51:58] handle stuff ourselves.

[52:01] but uh it doesn't happen. So that's me.

[52:05] I I try to not go to those anymore. I'm

[52:07] really I'm really adamant about having

[52:09] somebody else ring up everything and you

[52:11] know if I have a lot of stuff, I'm not

[52:12] doing it. I don't know about you, but

[52:14] I'm not doing it.

[52:18] Why why why are people going to selfch

[52:20] checkouts still? Is it just is it like

[52:21] the example I'm telling you where you're

[52:22] just trying to jump in real quick and

[52:23] then get in and get out? But yeah, it

[52:27] happens. So that's the meme of the day.

[52:29] Okay, I'm going to tell you a new story

[52:31] that I have here.

[52:33] This is not a meme.

[52:36] This is a real story

[52:38] on KBOa.

[52:42] You take it for what it is. You You

[52:44] think about this one. I'm not Jo. This

[52:47] is real. I didn't make this up.

[52:51] Okay.

[52:53] Tucson gun owners can trade firearms for

[52:56] garden tools this Saturday.

[53:00] Tonins with Thanks, Tony. Donins with

[53:03] unwanted firearms have a chance to

[53:05] safely surrender them this weekend and

[53:06] turn them into garden tools. The guns to

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[53:12] event is this Saturday from 10:00 a.m.

[53:14] to noon at St. Phillips in the Hills

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[53:18] Organizers say, "Leave guns in your

[53:20] trunk and enter from the Campbell

[53:22] entrance where a volunteer will take

[53:24] them. A blacksmithing demonstration will

[53:26] follow this Sunday from noon to 2:00

[53:29] p.m. Now,

[53:32] there's a flyer on here if you go to the

[53:35] article. So, if you're interested in

[53:36] going and surrendering your guns for

[53:39] garden tools, here's the thing that I I

[53:41] I'm it's kind I'm perplexed here.

[53:44] Um,

[53:46] I'm not seeing what kind of tools we're

[53:48] getting here.

[53:50] Like I if I'm if I'm giving you a good a

[53:52] good gun, I'm hoping for a rake at the

[53:55] very least.

[53:58] The good news is there's going to be

[54:00] another one at Fascinations in a couple

[54:05] months where you can drop your guns off

[54:09] and get what you need there.

[54:11] I'm joking about that one, by the way.

[54:13] That's a joke. So, that's me spinning

[54:15] some humor on this whole situation.

[54:17] Look, I get people want to be safe with

[54:18] guns. I get the cause. It's cool, but

[54:23] I don't know. At least say what kind of

[54:26] tools we're getting here. Rakes. Uh uh,

[54:29] you know, a lawn mower.

[54:31] What do Are we getting just a a shovel?

[54:35] That's just interesting. Do you get more

[54:37] tools for the more guns you bring? The

[54:39] article is so vague. The article is

[54:41] literally one, two, three, four, five,

[54:44] six lines.

[54:50] Did you pay for that piece? I don't

[54:52] know. But anyways, if you're looking for

[54:53] the guns and guns to gardens event,

[54:57] you can uh go ahead and drop voluntarily

[54:59] drop off your weapons there. Expect

[55:01] weight times from 30 to 40 minutes

[55:02] according to the flyer and uh do what

[55:05] you need to do there. Again,

[55:08] I'm I'm not I'm not I'm not Christopher

[55:10] D. Simone, but I get why he has plenty

[55:14] of material. I really do. I It just It's

[55:17] It's Look, I get the passion behind what

[55:20] you're doing. And I'm just having fun

[55:22] with it. But

[55:25] if you guys are going to do the article,

[55:26] at least give them a little bit more

[55:27] information. I think people really

[55:30] genuinely want to know what kind of

[55:31] tools to expect if they're going to come

[55:33] up and drive and drop off the guns.

[55:37] It's all I'm going to say. That's it.

[55:41] It's been a pleasure being with you this

[55:43] Friday on the David Somano Show. It was

[55:46] awesome having Officer Maine from York

[55:48] County Regional Police Department and

[55:50] his partner, his ESD dog, K9 Tango. We

[55:55] did get to see Tango at the end. Tango

[55:57] was sleeping, but we talked some good

[55:59] stories about him and I think it was a

[56:00] great episode. I had a lot of fun and I

[56:02] look forward to Monday. Monday, Edgar

[56:05] Sto, who's running for the state senate

[56:08] in LD17, is going to be joining me here

[56:10] in studio. So, if you have questions for

[56:13] Edgar, what why what he's running on,

[56:15] why he's running, um make sure to chime

[56:18] in with that. I've known Edgar for a few

[56:20] years now. I I really enjoy uh being a

[56:23] friend of his and uh you know I wanted

[56:26] to give him the opportunity to to have a

[56:29] chat and I'm gonna tell you I'm not a

[56:32] softballer.

[56:34] So Edgar if you're listening or watching

[56:36] we're going to have a real in-depth

[56:38] conversation. Now I'm not a go I'm not a

[56:40] gotcha guy either. I just really like to

[56:43] get information out. And perfect example

[56:45] was with you know with officer Jesse

[56:48] Maine. We talked about legitimate

[56:49] information. We didn't sugar coat

[56:51] anything. We got straight to the point

[56:52] and that's what we're going to do. And

[56:54] if there's anybody else that wants to

[56:55] join me on the show, I don't care what

[56:56] side you're on, you are welcome to jump

[57:00] on. I look forward to uh having having

[57:03] Edgar here and anybody else that wants

[57:04] to join in. And you know, part of this

[57:06] program is talking news and politics and

[57:08] stuff like that. So, have have your have

[57:11] your speech ready, have your answers

[57:13] ready. Don't come on cold. That's a bad

[57:15] idea.

[57:17] Anyways, y'all have a great weekend.

[57:19] Hope to see you at the pumpkin patch. If

[57:21] if you're there, you know, make it

[57:23] known. Share share on social media that

[57:25] you're there to see Live the Dream Media

[57:26] and and Christopher D. Simone at the

[57:28] event and all the other guests we're

[57:29] going to have. Let's have a great time.

[57:31] It might be a little breezy, but we're

[57:32] going to have a lot of fun out there.

[57:34] So, everybody, be kind to each other.

[57:35] Have a great weekend. See you Monday.