Larry King Live (CNN) - 2006-11-29

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[0:03] What's most unbelievable to them is the

[0:06] reason Mexican authorities want them in

[0:08] the first place.

[0:10] It's all because of Andrew Luster, a

[0:13] brutal serial rapist who drugged women

[0:15] in the US with GHB and then violently

[0:18] attacked them while videotaping the

[0:20] assaults.

[0:22] This whole ordeal starts in 2003 at a

[0:25] moment of triumph and one of Dog's most

[0:28] spectacular captures. It would forever

[0:31] link Dog with Andrew Luster, but now

[0:34] Andrew Luster is coming back to haunt

[0:36] Dog.

[0:40] >> We're back. Uh uh I understand there

[0:42] were many rewards out for his capture.

[0:44] America's Most Wanted had a reward. You

[0:46] haven't gotten a penny?

[0:47] >> No, we didn't get We had uh the FBI. He

[0:51] was he was a top tenant wanted

[0:52] >> FBI Ventura County had a

[0:54] >> Haven't you asked that did you call John

[0:56] Walsh of America's most wanted? Did you

[0:57] call others and say we're entitled to We

[0:59] got him.

[1:00] >> We did try to collect the rewards at the

[1:02] time but

[1:02] >> and we were declined.

[1:03] >> The Ventura County Court called him a

[1:05] vigilante and said, you know, you did

[1:07] this wrong and we're not going to pay

[1:09] you. And so everybody just followed

[1:11] suit. But you know, there was five

[1:13] different entities that had rewards out

[1:16] for Mr.

[1:16] >> You got you haven't got a penny out.

[1:18] >> We got a very small

[1:21] small reward from one of the victims of

[1:23] Andrew Luster.

[1:24] >> And that same victim set up the

[1:26] dogdefensefund.com

[1:28] helping with his defense fun.

[1:29] >> You said that you wanted to be a cop,

[1:31] but something happened at 14 where you

[1:33] could never be a cop. What'd you do at

[1:34] 14 where you could never be a cop?

[1:36] >> Well, that's like hypothetical. I think

[1:38] I threw a rock at a car. But you know, I

[1:40] had a terrible past till 21 years old. I

[1:43] was actually in Texas prison when when I

[1:46] was in my early 20s. So

[1:48] >> for what? I was an accessory to a

[1:50] murder. I was in a motorcycle gang and

[1:52] one of my brothers in the gang went in

[1:54] the house and there was a shooting. Came

[1:56] back out and in the early 70s in Texas

[1:59] there's no accessory before, during or

[2:01] after. There wasn't back then. So all of

[2:03] us there went to prison for the same

[2:05] thing.

[2:05] >> What straighten you out?

[2:07] >> The the Texas Department of Corrections

[2:09] making big rocks little rocks.

[2:12] >> That worked.

[2:13] >> Yes.

[2:14] >> Punishment worked.

[2:14] >> Yes. hard, not just sitting in the cell,

[2:17] but hard work while I was being punished

[2:19] worked.

[2:20] >> How did you get this u reality show?

[2:24] >> Well, I'd always uh I worked with

[2:26] Anthony Robbins in the early 80s and I

[2:28] met a lot of actors and there was always

[2:30] something I had in common with actors,

[2:33] judges, and cops. And I thought, I'd

[2:36] like to be around these people because

[2:37] they've got money, they're generous,

[2:39] they're really they say these things

[2:41] that come true. And I thought, you know,

[2:43] as a as a young kid, I just wanted to be

[2:45] on television and wanted to make

[2:47] something in my life like that. So,

[2:49] >> well, people, they were CBS was

[2:51] interested in doing a dramatic series on

[2:52] him. And they just couldn't find a

[2:55] writer who could capture him. And so, we

[2:57] had agreed that we would probably have

[2:59] to do reality television for a while so

[3:01] that America could really get a glimpse

[3:03] of what he does.

[3:04] >> How long's it been on?

[3:06] >> That we're in our fourth season.

[3:07] >> Fourth season. And a major hit.

[3:09] >> Major.

[3:10] >> Thank God. Yes. major hit. They're more

[3:12] than we ever expected.

[3:14] >> That's great. We have an email question

[3:15] from Liz in Toronto, Canada. Since

[3:18] they're all shown on the show, do you

[3:20] ever worry about your family safety

[3:23] >> all the time?

[3:24] >> Well, we I worry, but it's better as a

[3:26] father to have your kids and your wife

[3:28] right next to you than somewhere else.

[3:30] So, I'm there to supervise and watch.

[3:32] I'd rather have the kids knowing where

[3:34] they're at at all times. And being with

[3:36] dad is fine,

[3:38] >> frankly. And by the way, how many people

[3:39] have you caught?

[3:40] >> Over 6,000 fugitives to date.

[3:45] >> We quit counting.

[3:46] >> Yes.

[3:47] >> Is there a kick to it? Like that moment

[3:50] when you come upon Jon Jones.

[3:53] >> There is a absolute adrenaline rush

[3:55] because you study the person, his

[3:57] habits, his everything, his mom, what's

[3:59] he like? What's he love? You know the

[4:01] guy. People come to me and say, "Dog,

[4:02] I'm your fan. I love you. I know you. I

[4:04] watch your show. You don't know what

[4:06] that feels like." I said, "Yes, I do.

[4:07] cuz I know my fugitive. I know what he

[4:09] wants. I know what he likes.

[4:11] >> And what power do you have? Let's say

[4:12] you got a fugitive in Montana. Can you

[4:14] arrest him?

[4:14] >> We have

[4:15] >> citizens arrest.

[4:16] >> Yes, we have exactly the power of

[4:18] citizens arrest. What we can do, police

[4:20] officers cannot do is dress like we want

[4:23] to. Other than that, police officers and

[4:26] us have basically the same authority.

[4:28] >> Do you cuff them?

[4:30] >> Absolutely. We cuff them to protect us

[4:32] and ourselves, but we do not use any

[4:35] lethal weapon

[4:36] >> ever.

[4:37] >> Ever.

[4:38] >> Have you had anybody shoot at you?

[4:40] >> Many. I've had many shoot at me. I

[4:42] usually uh say on my cell phone,

[4:45] "Officer down and get a location and the

[4:48] police big brother come and take over

[4:50] from there." But uh we've never carried

[4:52] a gun and don't need to carry a gun to

[4:54] arrest him.

[4:55] >> Why do you like doing it?

[4:57] You know, I've asked I just have been in

[4:59] the last couple years asking myself that

[5:02] and I

[5:02] >> and wondering

[5:03] >> and wondering why. And the other day I

[5:05] went into the dentist's office and this

[5:07] the secretary said, "You know, Lisa,

[5:09] that you arrested on the show, dog is

[5:12] doing very good." And if it wasn't for

[5:16] you, dog at Beth and your family, she'd

[5:18] still be doing heroin. But I want you to

[5:20] know that she's back in choir at the

[5:22] choir and back in church. And I thought

[5:25] the thrill of the thrill of victory and

[5:27] the agony of defeat, you know, I thought

[5:29] the thrill was catching the guy. But

[5:30] then after you hear that they make it or

[5:33] they do something right and we give them

[5:35] the dog speech and you know, I've been

[5:37] there. I know how to change. And I try

[5:39] to plant a seed of hope. But when that

[5:41] guy makes it or that girl makes it,

[5:43] believe it or not, that's a better

[5:44] feeling than the actual, you know,

[5:46] gotcha on the ground and the scuffle

[5:48] >> that they're productive, that they don't

[5:50] have to, you know, that they have

[5:52] learned the skills to be able to get out

[5:53] of jail, stay out of jail, and now be

[5:55] productive. And that's really what they

[5:57] had in mind when they said, "Put them in

[5:58] jail and and fix them."

[6:00] >> How'd you get the name dog? I was uh my

[6:03] mother was a uh a missionary and I of

[6:07] course was in the motorcycle gang and

[6:09] would they would like you know let's rob

[6:10] a church. I'd say no way God's watching.

[6:13] We already had a guy named preacher and

[6:14] John the Baptist. So they said you know

[6:16] what you always show up. You're a very

[6:17] loyal guy and you always talk about God.

[6:20] So we're going to name you God spelled

[6:22] backwards. Come here dog.

[6:24] >> Simple as that.

[6:25] >> Simple as that. Just ahead, Dwayne and

[6:26] Beth Chapman's love story and the tragic

[6:28] event that nearly caused them to call

[6:30] off their long awaited wedding. It's

[6:32] just ahead.

[6:34] >> How can I possibly begin to outline all

[6:36] the ways in which Andrew Lester has

[6:38] damaged my life?

[6:39] >> Tanya Doe, which is not her real name,

[6:42] bravely testifies about Luster at his

[6:45] trial. But before the trial ends, Luster

[6:48] suddenly goes on the run, jumping his $1

[6:51] million bail. Authorities can't find

[6:54] him.

[6:56] For Dog, this case becomes personal. He

[7:00] starts to eat, breathe, and live just to

[7:03] catch luster.

[7:13] For each of us, there's a moment of

[7:15] discovery. We turn a page. We raise a

[7:19] hand. And just then, in the flash of a

[7:22] synapse, we learn that life is

[7:25] elemental. And this knowledge changes

[7:27] everything. We look around and see the

[7:30] grandness of the scheme.

[7:32] Sodium bonding with chlorine, carbon

[7:35] bonding with oxygen, hydrogen bonding

[7:38] with oxygen. We see all things

[7:41] connected. We see life unfold. And in

[7:44] the dazzling brilliance of this

[7:46] knowledge, we may overlook the element

[7:48] not listed on the chart. Its importance

[7:50] so obvious, its presence is simply

[7:53] understood. The missing element is the

[7:56] human element. And when we add it to the

[7:58] equation, the chemistry changes. Every

[8:02] reaction is different. Potassium looks

[8:04] to bond with potential. Metals behave

[8:07] with hardened resolve.

[8:09] And hydrogen and oxygen form desire.

[8:13] The human element is the element of

[8:15] change. It gives us our footing to stand

[8:18] fearlessly and face the future. It is a

[8:22] way of seeing that gives us a way of

[8:24] touching issues, ambitions, lives,

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[9:09] >> This is 911 operator 224. What's your

[9:11] emergency? We need an ambulance. Oh my

[9:13] god. My boyfriend, he's going to die.

[9:15] >> Okay, ma'am. Please try to come.

[9:16] >> He's unconscious. He's bleeding. He's

[9:18] covered in blood.

[9:18] >> I need to get some information from you.

[9:20] Okay.

[9:20] >> Okay. Hurry.

[9:21] >> Okay. Where are you?

[9:22] >> At the corner of 17th and M.

[9:24] >> Look, an ambulance is on the way. Stay

[9:25] on the line. Tell me what happened.

[9:26] >> He just started freaking out and biting

[9:28] things and he put his fist through the

[9:29] window and now he's bleeding.

[9:30] >> Was he using any drugs? Ma'am, do you

[9:32] know what he took?

[9:33] >> Ultimatizing.

[9:35] >> Okay. How much did he take?

[9:36] >> I'm not sure.

[9:36] >> Ma'am, we got an ambulance going over

[9:37] there right now.

[9:38] >> Please hurry.

[9:43] When Dog and his team race from the

[9:45] scene, Mexican authorities spot the

[9:47] commotion and give chase. Mexican

[9:50] authorities arrest everyone and put them

[9:52] into the back of a pickup truck. Luster

[9:55] speaks fluent Spanish and tells police

[9:57] his name is David Carrera. Within a

[10:01] week, Dog and his posi post bail and

[10:03] head back to the States where his legend

[10:06] as the world's greatest bounty hunter

[10:08] continues to grow.

[10:11] We're with Dwayne Dog Chapman and B

[10:13] Chapman. Don't forget that big special

[10:15] December 12th on A&E at 10 Eastern. It's

[10:17] called Dog the Fight for the Fight for

[10:20] Freedom. It's a special on A&E. Their

[10:23] regular show appears of course on A&E in

[10:25] its fourth year. What almost happened to

[10:27] prevent the wedding?

[10:30] We uh I've got many children and I had

[10:32] all these sons and finally I had a

[10:34] little girl and she was 23 years old and

[10:36] the only one that didn't come to the

[10:37] wedding and uh

[10:40] they uh called me and said uh

[10:43] >> your daughter has been in an accident in

[10:45] Alaska and was killed

[10:49] >> right before the wedding.

[10:50] >> Uh we found out about 6 a.m. the morning

[10:53] of the wedding.

[10:54] >> Morning of the wedding.

[10:55] >> Morning of the wedding. I remember I

[10:56] rolled over. Happy wedding day. this I'd

[10:59] waited 16 years that it was finally all

[11:02] the buss were finished and all the

[11:03] busyiness and it had come to the moment

[11:06] and this I walked downstairs and all the

[11:09] children were crying in the hallway and

[11:11] I was like what's the matter you know

[11:13] and uh

[11:16] >> call off the wedding

[11:17] >> I uh

[11:19] >> no I didn't because uh that's was not

[11:21] the right thing to do and I I uh I've

[11:24] always been told my sons that this blood

[11:26] doesn't run and When I went to my sons

[11:29] at nine of them and said, "You know

[11:31] what? I've decided to do this. I've been

[11:34] with her for many, many years, and this

[11:36] blood doesn't run." All my sons, my

[11:38] family, the preacher, almost everyone I

[11:40] loved was at that wedding. And, you

[11:42] know, I went to all them and they said,

[11:43] you know, uh, in in my daughter's

[11:46] memory, the best thing to do is go

[11:47] through with it.

[11:48] >> She was killed how?

[11:50] >> She was in a serious accident on the

[11:51] highway in Alaska.

[11:53] >> Did you go up to Alaska?

[11:54] >> No, she we brought her We buried her in

[11:56] Denver, my hometown. And we brought her

[11:58] from Alaska to Denver and buried her

[12:00] there in Denver.

[12:01] >> True. You never get over the loss of a

[12:02] child.

[12:04] >> Oh, no. You never get over it. You uh

[12:07] you you hoped at that this point for

[12:10] sure there's a God. That's when you

[12:12] really wonder about and you hope there's

[12:14] a God because you want to see him again.

[12:17] I mean, that's the only healing thing

[12:20] about it is that you will be able to see

[12:22] him again. Speaking of that, we have an

[12:24] email from Natty in Miami, Florida. with

[12:27] you being Christian and all, why is

[12:28] there so much cursing on Dog the Bounty

[12:30] Hunter?

[12:31] >> Well, it it freeze in the name of Jesus

[12:34] doesn't work too often.

[12:37] >> And you know, Larry, we're we're not at

[12:39] the church, we're actually in the

[12:41] streets where crime is going on where,

[12:45] you know, the term when in Rome, you

[12:47] know, they don't necessarily respond to

[12:51] the normal, hey, stop, you know, let me

[12:55] search you, kid. Well, the Bible says be

[12:57] >> be all things to all men. So, I don't

[13:00] think God is punish would punish me for

[13:02] using curse words.

[13:03] >> Are you bounty hunting still?

[13:05] >> We as a matter of fact in we uh bounty

[13:07] hunted until last night. We we captured

[13:09] a girl last night. Yes, absolutely.

[13:11] >> Moments before the flight

[13:13] >> in in where? In Denver.

[13:14] >> In Honolulu.

[13:16] >> Uh since you're so well known now,

[13:18] doesn't that hamper you?

[13:20] >> The the only thing that hampers me is I

[13:22] cannot infiltrate as much as I could,

[13:24] you know, obviously. But I uh I'm

[13:26] getting more information and a bounty

[13:28] hunter's success is due to his

[13:29] reputation. And you know, people realize

[13:32] this dog can hunt and if you'll tell me

[13:34] where they're at, I'll I'll catch them

[13:36] and I'll fix them and I'll bring them

[13:38] home alive.

[13:39] >> So, what's the worst case scenario for

[13:41] dog in Mexico? We're going to get the

[13:43] answer when Larry King live continues.

[13:47] >> Chaos, commotion, and cuffs. A familiar

[13:50] scene for Dog and his crew. Only this

[13:53] time, the surprise raid is on them. All

[13:57] three bounty hunters are arrested for

[13:59] the alleged illegal capture of fugitive

[14:01] and convicted rapist Andrew Luster. Back

[14:05] then, Dog and his men posted bail, left

[14:08] Mexico, and thought their long nightmare

[14:11] was over. But now, 3 years later, as Dog

[14:15] is driven away in cuffs, he thinks maybe

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[17:09] We're back with Dwayne Dog Chapman,

[17:11] bounty hunter, Beth Chapman, bounty

[17:12] hunter, and his life partner. And we're

[17:14] now joined by Bill Ballard, the attorney

[17:17] for Dog Chapman. All right. At this

[17:18] point, where does he stand legally?

[17:21] >> Well, legally, we have taken an appeal

[17:23] from Judge Pinea's original charge,

[17:25] which is a single crime under the

[17:27] helical penal code of deprivation of

[17:29] liberty. It's a minor charge

[17:31] >> that he'd be extradited.

[17:32] >> Yeah. And then they brought that to the

[17:34] United States. And in Honolulu, they

[17:36] arrested him. And there's a charge

[17:37] pending there, a case that I'm working

[17:38] on with attorney Brooke Hart on the

[17:40] extradition. But in Mexico, we've got a

[17:42] hearing starting on Monday with the

[17:44] federal court where for the first time,

[17:45] the federal court will take a look at

[17:47] all of these charges. And it's our hope

[17:49] that if we're successful, of course,

[17:50] that these charges will be dismissed.

[17:52] But we have a fight on our hands.

[17:53] >> Tough.

[17:54] >> Yeah, it's tough. And you know,

[17:56] >> because are they in the right in a

[17:57] sense?

[17:58] >> Well, you know what the I fully believe

[18:00] in the innocence of these people. Well,

[18:02] the Chapman did everything they were

[18:03] supposed to do. And in fact, had this

[18:05] been resolved back then and they hadn't

[18:07] received the information they had from

[18:08] the attorney then, this could have been

[18:10] resolved in moments. But because it was

[18:12] let go based on bad advice, and we think

[18:15] actually bad advice with a motive now,

[18:17] the attorney wanted them to go. So, as

[18:19] Dog said, he later called looking for

[18:21] money and he said, "If you don't pay me,

[18:24] things are going to get worse." And sure

[18:25] enough, they've gotten worse.

[18:27] >> Will you attend the hearing, Doug?

[18:29] Uh so far right now I'm uh uh Bill

[18:32] Ballard has said it where I don't have

[18:33] to attend the hearing but I'm you know

[18:36] very in close contact with Mexico.

[18:38] >> Best and worst case scenario. Best they

[18:40] dismiss.

[18:41] >> Best case they dismiss the extradition

[18:43] case goes away.

[18:44] >> Worst

[18:45] >> worst case scenario is that they have to

[18:46] stand trial in Porerto Varta on the

[18:48] single charge of deprivation of liberty.

[18:49] It carries with it a sentence range of 6

[18:52] months to four years.

[18:53] >> So dawn could if at all carried out the

[18:55] worst go to prison in Mexico.

[18:57] >> Yes, it could. How do you feel about

[18:59] that, dog?

[19:01] >> Oh, well, if I'm voting no. Absolutely.

[19:04] >> Me, too.

[19:05] >> I'm v and I I wouldn't, you know, I

[19:07] don't think prison is prison no matter

[19:08] where you're at. And a bounty hunter is,

[19:11] uh, not well received in any prison

[19:14] ever. So, I wouldn't I I vote no.

[19:17] >> You said, uh, Bill, that people

[19:19] connected with Andrew Luster have tried

[19:21] to influence this case. One, why?

[19:24] >> Well,

[19:24] >> he's been back in prison for 124 years.

[19:26] What does it matter? Yeah, but listen,

[19:28] there are people that are motivated by

[19:29] vengeance. We have come across them

[19:31] repeatedly. I've been in Mexico almost

[19:32] non-stop for the past eight weeks,

[19:34] Larry. And we have come upon them. The

[19:36] court officials have told us they've

[19:38] been there. They check out everything we

[19:39] file. They shadow our every movement.

[19:41] There are people motivated by vengeance,

[19:43] which is a strong motive, and also

[19:45] jealousy that want to see him in jail.

[19:47] Frankly, in my opinion, his physical

[19:49] safety couldn't be guaranteed in Mexico

[19:51] right now.

[19:51] >> We have an email from Kim in Fairborn,

[19:53] Ohio. Has this situation changed your

[19:56] feelings about our justice system?

[19:59] >> Not our justice system. I mean, it's

[20:01] we're not being judged by our justice

[20:03] system.

[20:03] >> Mexican justice system.

[20:04] >> No, I was in Mexico jail and I know the

[20:06] Mexico justice system. And if you prove

[20:10] to the Mexico justice system that you

[20:12] had a reason and you dealt with it,

[20:14] right,

[20:16] they're human beings. I mean, I and I'm

[20:18] not just saying that. I was there. I saw

[20:21] it in work. I I have confidence and

[20:23] faith in it.

[20:24] >> Can you argue in a Mexican court?

[20:26] >> I can be there as a consultant and they

[20:29] accept argument from me frequently. But

[20:30] let me say this. We have every faith and

[20:33] confidence that we're going to get a

[20:34] fair shake, a fair trial. We put our

[20:36] trust and confidence now in the federal

[20:37] Mexican judicial system. I've worked

[20:39] with it many years under the federal

[20:41] judicial council. And we expect a fair

[20:43] shake.

[20:43] >> So you're expecting to be extradited,

[20:45] though?

[20:46] >> No, actually not. We expect to resolve

[20:48] the problem in Mexico so that

[20:49] extradition never has to take place.

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[23:51] We're back with Dog Chapman and Beth

[23:53] Chapman and their attorney Bill Ballard.

[23:55] We're joined now in Denver, Colorado

[23:57] with Representative Tom Tan Credto,

[23:58] Republican of Colorado. He and 28 other

[24:01] members of Congress have sent a letter

[24:03] to Secretary of State Conda Rice asking

[24:06] her to deny dogs extradition to Mexico.

[24:09] Why, Congressman?

[24:10] >> Because I believe that we should never

[24:11] have responded to it. I mean, it was

[24:13] amazing to me when I first saw this

[24:15] whole thing and first read about it that

[24:18] we were responding to Mexico's request

[24:20] so aggressively, so willingly, so

[24:22] quickly. I mean, especially it was a

[24:25] request to bring back somebody to

[24:26] extradite somebody from the United

[24:28] States for a crime that was really a

[24:30] misdemeanor, which is not something we

[24:32] would usually do. We are asking, why are

[24:34] you doing it in this case? I mean, look

[24:36] at all the facts that that have just

[24:37] been laid out, I think, very clearly by

[24:40] both Mr. Chapman, Mrs. Chapman and their

[24:42] attorney and you and you have to say to

[24:44] yourself, why would the United States,

[24:46] the Department of State spend the time,

[24:47] energy, and and effort getting involved

[24:50] with this thing? And

[24:51] >> have you heard from the Department of

[24:53] State?

[24:53] >> Interestingly, today we got a call from

[24:55] the Department of State saying that the

[24:57] letter is on the Secretary's desk. It's

[24:59] being prepared. That's all I know. It's

[25:01] been a while, but it takes them a while

[25:03] to get back to us on these things.

[25:05] >> We have an email question from David in

[25:06] Pasadena, California. I wrote a bunch of

[25:08] letters to help support Mr. Chapman and

[25:10] his family. You think the fan effort can

[25:13] help in this situation? Let's go around.

[25:15] Do you think so, dog?

[25:17] >> Absolutely. Absolutely.

[25:19] >> Absolutely. We have a 225,000 names on

[25:22] an online petition already, Larry.

[25:24] Absolutely. The fans are the key.

[25:26] >> Absolutely. I mean, your show actually

[25:28] is watched. I lived in Mexico for three

[25:30] years and we watched you there. So, this

[25:32] and any other effort by the fan base

[25:34] reaches ears in Mexico.

[25:37] You say in your letter to Secretary

[25:39] Rice, Congressman, it seems that Mexican

[25:41] authorities are pressing this case only

[25:43] because they're so stung by the

[25:45] embarrassment of failing where Mr.

[25:47] Chapman succeeded. You agree?

[25:49] >> Of course, that that that is still a

[25:51] possibility, but I must say that I I

[25:53] agree with uh with the attorney there

[25:55] that that elevating this to the federal

[25:58] level judiciary in Mexico is a very good

[26:01] thing. And I am I want to congratulate

[26:03] Mexico in this regard because I I am

[26:05] putting more faith in the system there

[26:08] than I have in the past. And certainly

[26:09] I've been critical of Mexico in many

[26:11] ways. But I am glad to see what they are

[26:13] doing. And I'm glad they're there

[26:15] seemingly hand handling this in an

[26:17] unbiased and fair fashion. That's what I

[26:19] want to see continue. There may have

[26:21] been there are so many convoluted

[26:23] reasons why this may have all come

[26:25] together and why in fact Mr. Chapman

[26:27] finds himself in this situation. I'm not

[26:30] sure what has caused it, but I'm telling

[26:32] you this that that the fact that there

[26:34] are hundreds of thousands of people

[26:35] around this country who are concerned

[26:37] about his welfare and concerned about

[26:39] how the State Department handles this

[26:41] can do nothing but help, but I I want to

[26:44] make sure that Mexico understands that I

[26:46] am not being critical of them at this

[26:48] particular juncture. I think what

[26:49] they're doing is good. I'm hoping for

[26:51] the best for them.

[26:52] >> Do you think capturing it now, dog, was

[26:54] worth it? Was it worth it to get lost

[26:56] with all you've gone through? Well, if

[26:58] it turns out, I got to be honest. Uh,

[27:02] absolutely.

[27:04] >> No matter how it comes out.

[27:05] >> You know what? If

[27:07] >> what may be may be, I

[27:09] >> I believe that there is a God. And just

[27:13] like my congressman just said, there's

[27:15] some reason for this. And if I have to

[27:17] be the poster child to get both these

[27:20] countries together and get it where

[27:21] these criminals can't run from here or

[27:23] run from there, I'll be the guy. If

[27:26] everything comes out okay, will you

[27:27] bounty hunt in Mexico again?

[27:30] >> I'd let my lawyer answer that question.

[27:32] Sir, can you say no? Well, you know

[27:33] something.

[27:33] >> We got 30 seconds.

[27:34] >> Well, 30 seconds. Uh, it can be done the

[27:36] right way. We're working with a lawyer

[27:37] in Mexico City in Ricky Gand with Brooke

[27:39] Hart in Honolulu. We have a team

[27:41] together. I think we're going to solve

[27:42] these problems. I've got a client who's

[27:44] innocent and we plan to prove it.

[27:46] >> And Congressman, the letter's on her

[27:47] desk.

[27:48] >> Yes, it is.

[27:49] >> Step forward, ain't it?

[27:50] >> I'll be interested to see exactly what

[27:52] she says to us.

[27:53] >> You keep us posted. Thank you so much,

[27:54] Congressman Tom Tan Credo. Thank you,

[27:56] Bill Bid. And thank you, Dog and Beth

[27:58] Chapman.

[27:59] >> Thank you very much.

[28:00] >> And don't forget the big special on A&E

[28:02] December 12th, Dog the Fight for

[28:04] Freedom. It airs at 1000 p.m. Eastern on

[28:07] his channel A&E. Tomorrow night, an

[28:10] interesting guest. Golan Seo will be

[28:12] with us. The former New Jersey Governor

[28:14] James McGrevy says that he and Golan

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[28:22] Golan will be here tomorrow night with

[28:24] his side of the story.