MSNBC - Iraq War - 2003-03-20 - 2:25 a.m. (E)
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[0:00] Predator drones and Nighthawks. These
[0:01] are unmanned surveillance planes that
[0:03] are feeding back real-time information
[0:05] that is being relayed here to US Central
[0:07] Command. And so here at US Central
[0:08] Command, they can give orders in
[0:10] real-time fashion to some of these ships
[0:12] that are firing cruise missiles, to the
[0:13] pilots. It's the same sort of thing that
[0:15] that we first saw in Afghanistan. This
[0:17] whole sort of integration, this
[0:18] real-time integration of forces on the
[0:20] ground with pilots in the air in
[0:21] Afghanistan, for example, which would be
[0:23] the same case in Iraq. They would
[0:25] actually have planes circling over what
[0:26] is known as a kill box, and once the
[0:28] target was located, identified by other
[0:30] special forces on the ground or perhaps
[0:32] by a surveillance aircraft, then the the
[0:35] fighter bombers actually vectored in to
[0:37] that target so that you can have a
[0:38] response within a minute or two. So for
[0:39] example, even if they see, say a convoy
[0:42] of Iraqi
[0:43] Iraqi troops on a particular road, they
[0:45] can actually vector in a a pilot in that
[0:48] same amount of time, uh very quickly,
[0:50] and bring them in and and put a put a
[0:51] bomb on the target. So it's it's a very
[0:53] quick response. This is something that
[0:55] Donald Rumsfeld has mandated that
[0:56] General Tommy Franks implement in this
[0:58] particular battle. It was something that
[1:00] was implemented to great effect in
[1:01] Afghanistan, and clearly we'll see all
[1:03] of that. But as far as the shock and
[1:05] awe, I think you I think Carl Rochelle
[1:06] and others have it right. Once um I
[1:09] think once it becomes apparent that
[1:10] perhaps if they didn't get Saddam
[1:12] Hussein, if there's no indication that
[1:13] they're going to be able to get uh
[1:15] Saddam Hussein to leave Baghdad or get
[1:17] uh some sort of revolution there, then I
[1:18] think you see everything ratcheted up to
[1:20] the next stage, which might be this
[1:22] massive display of US firepower again
[1:24] with the psychological component of
[1:26] convincing so many Iraqi soldiers that
[1:27] they simply don't just stand a chance if
[1:29] they want to stay and fight. Bianca.
[1:31] >> Okay, we will wait and see. David
[1:33] Schuster, NBC News correspondent at
[1:35] Central Command in Qatar, a place no
[1:37] doubt we will be seeing uh briefings
[1:38] from throughout the next day. Sam, I'll
[1:41] send it back to you now. All right,
[1:42] thanks a lot, Bianca. Here in the
[1:43] situation room, we are joined right now
[1:45] by Colonel Jack Jacobs to talk more
[1:47] about this. And uh Colonel, not the
[1:49] shock and awe, this was a big surprise.
[1:51] >> a big surprise to me, too. We all been
[1:53] talking about and expecting there to be
[1:55] thousands of strikes all at the same
[1:57] time. And I believe that this this uh
[2:00] little baby step was precipitated by
[2:02] some intelligence that uh we wanted to
[2:05] take advantage of advantage of, not make
[2:07] the same mistake we made in Afghanistan.
[2:09] We had Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden
[2:13] and who knows what else in our sights,
[2:15] and we let them slip through.
[2:16] >> Is it your belief maybe they thought
[2:18] they had Saddam Hussein in their sights
[2:19] here? Yeah, for one of for one of these
[2:21] attacks. But you know, there were a lots
[2:23] of them. There were there were two dozen
[2:25] attacks using a very of a very
[2:27] deliberate means. And some of them were
[2:29] in the west as well, which would
[2:31] indicate that we had other ideas besides
[2:33] just trying to take out Saddam Hussein.
[2:36] >> the map up on the screen right now. And
[2:38] of course, there were a number of
[2:39] bombing raids, but it wasn't that big
[2:40] shock and awe campaign. But my question
[2:43] is this, uh do you think Saddam Hussein
[2:45] was in a bunker? Well, yes. I think
[2:47] either in a bunker or in an underground
[2:49] facility underneath a uh some other
[2:53] facility that we knew about.
[2:54] >> bomb out there that can penetrate a
[2:56] bunker that is Yeah, no problem, huh?
[2:58] >> Well, then we've got these new bunker
[2:59] buster bombs with um
[3:01] with uh with technology that permits
[3:04] them to sense when they're in an open
[3:06] space and then detonate.
[3:07] >> Didn't they drop a bunker buster bomb in
[3:09] this case? Uh they did.
[3:10] >> Yeah. But we don't know whether he was
[3:13] really in there or we don't We had a
[3:15] report from somebody inside the Iraqi
[3:17] establishment that said he was in there
[3:19] and he really wasn't or it
[3:21] We don't know yet. And we
[3:23] It'll be a while before we find out
[3:24] exactly what took place for that
[3:26] particular strike, but there were lots
[3:27] of other ones, including some on
[3:29] airfields as far west as the border with
[3:31] Jordan.
[3:32] >> That is very interesting. Right. Okay,
[3:34] now I want to talk to you about the next
[3:35] wave because we're in the lull, aren't
[3:36] we? There's another big wave. The big
[3:38] wave is probably coming, correct?
[3:40] >> Yes, I think. Okay, let's talk about
[3:41] some of the hardware that has been used
[3:43] in this initial rather surprise attack
[3:45] by just about all uh indications. Uh
[3:49] Let's talk about Let's roll up that guy
[3:50] Let's in the booth right now. Let's roll
[3:51] up some of this hardware and we can we
[3:53] can talk about some of these pictures.
[3:54] What was used exactly here? We talked
[3:56] about that bunker buster bomb already.
[3:58] >> Yeah, the bunker buster bomb is a
[3:59] 2,000-lb bomb, most of which is
[4:01] explosive,
[4:03] uh that's uh that that homes in on a
[4:07] specific place. And uh we don't have it
[4:09] up at the moment, but it it homes in and
[4:11] then goes right through
[4:14] the top of the of the bunker or the
[4:16] facility
[4:17] and detonates later on. Doesn't detonate
[4:20] on contact, but detonates later on when
[4:22] it gets inside the facility, destroying
[4:25] things inside instead of just detonating
[4:27] on the outside and just giving everybody
[4:28] a headache.
[4:29] >> Okay, guys in the booth, if you've got
[4:30] more, just keep rolling them up cuz
[4:31] we'll just keep talking about them as
[4:32] you roll them up.
[4:33] >> and improved bunker buster bombs. But
[4:35] aren't most of the weapons new and
[4:36] improved, correct?
[4:37] >> Everything we've got has been improved
[4:39] since the since 11, 12 years ago.
[4:42] Tomahawk cruise missile, this is the
[4:44] sea-launched cruise missile that comes
[4:46] off the Aegis guided missile class
[4:49] cruisers and other ships that are in the
[4:52] in the task force. As you can see, it's
[4:55] subsonic, goes about a little little bit
[4:58] under 700 nautical miles.
[5:00] Got GPS guidance and is accurate down to
[5:03] 1 m. And this is a picture This is the
[5:05] picture that we've seen earlier tonight
[5:07] when they launched. Now you see that
[5:09] these were launched from places in the
[5:11] northern part of the Persian Gulf and
[5:14] from the Red Sea, which means they flew
[5:16] over Saudi Arabia to get to Baghdad or
[5:19] over Kuwait to get to Baghdad. And we do
[5:21] know that just before these things were
[5:23] launched, a clear air message was given
[5:26] to Kuwait to troops in Kuwait to clear
[5:29] the airspace over Kuwait ostensibly to
[5:31] make And I just want to break in here
[5:33] real quick here, Jack, because we're
[5:34] getting a bulletin that just crossed
[5:36] now. Sky News in London is reporting
[5:37] that troops in north Kuwait, as you
[5:39] speak of north Kuwait, have now been
[5:41] instructed to put on their gas masks. So
[5:43] that has been a concern, has it not,
[5:44] Colonel, that chemical weapons would be
[5:46] used in some way, shape, or form?
[5:47] >> Yeah, don't forget that our troops in
[5:49] northern Kuwait, the Marines, the 101st
[5:52] Airborne Division, the 3rd Infantry
[5:53] Division, uh particularly the Marines
[5:56] and the 3rd Infantry Division are well
[5:57] forward in assembly areas. And because
[5:59] they're well forward in assembly areas,
[6:02] uh maybe we can maybe we can poke out
[6:04] where they Boom. Yeah, well forward in
[6:06] assembly areas, they're fairly close to
[6:08] the line of departure, that is the
[6:09] boundary between Kuwait and Iraq, which
[6:11] means that they're they're probably
[6:13] close to enemy troops who are in
[6:15] defense.
[6:16] One thing we've been looking for all
[6:17] along are formations of enemy artillery
[6:21] because the Iraqis can deliver chemical
[6:24] and biological weapons not only with
[6:26] surface-to-surface missiles, but also
[6:28] with artillery. We need to destroy the
[6:31] art Find the artillery and destroy them
[6:33] so that they don't deliver these
[6:34] weapons, nor do they have the capability
[6:37] of delivering delivering conventional
[6:38] weapons when our troops cross the line
[6:39] of departure and start attacking.
[6:41] >> their delivery systems would be
[6:42] primarily right here in southern Iraq.
[6:45] >> We're talking about artillery that can
[6:47] only shoot maybe about 10 or 15 miles,
[6:49] so they're not that far away.
[6:50] >> Okay, so they're right there. But
[6:51] haven't we We're getting reports that a
[6:53] number of
[6:55] quite a few troops, Iraqi troops, have
[6:57] been surrendering in in southern Iraq.
[6:59] >> Well, there were 17 the other day.
[7:00] >> Right.
[7:01] >> Uh there are now the reports of bar bar
[7:03] not are not that Iraqi troops apparently
[7:05] trying to surrender to uh to predators
[7:08] and so on. I think we'll see we'll see
[7:10] plenty more of that. But I'm very much
[7:12] concerned about the initial contact our
[7:14] troops are going to have in in southern
[7:17] southern Iraq. I'm not surprised they're
[7:19] being asked to don protective gear. It
[7:22] may very well be that we have seen
[7:24] formations of enemy artillery, and
[7:26] before we have an opportunity to knock
[7:28] them out uh with CBUs, cluster bomb
[7:32] units, or other air-delivered ordnance,
[7:33] we want our troops to be buttoning up so
[7:35] they're not in danger.
[7:36] >> So this may just be a precautionary
[7:37] measure, simply.
[7:38] >> Yes, I believe it might be. Let's talk
[7:40] about this next shock and awe wave. If
[7:42] you could give us some sense of what we
[7:44] may see here in terms of a bombardment,
[7:47] and that's what we're expecting to
[7:48] happen in hours, I would imagine.
[7:50] >> Well, maybe. You know, well, you know,
[7:52] we were talking about the first phase of
[7:54] the war being this tremendous blast of
[7:56] thousands of thousands of strikes.
[7:58] >> already had one surprise, we may have
[7:59] two. Maybe maybe we'll have another
[8:01] surprise. We may Maybe we're going to do
[8:03] it in an incremental fashion because of
[8:05] the kinds of
[8:07] uh missions we're trying to accomplish.
[8:09] If we think back of now about what what
[8:12] facilities have been struck in this
[8:14] first strike, Right. they were
[8:16] interesting kinds of things. Certainly
[8:18] command, control, communications, and
[8:20] intelligence facilities, a number of
[8:21] those.
[8:22] >> Mhm.
[8:23] Saddam Hussein, we thought might catch
[8:25] in a bunker.
[8:26] But we also struck some airfields. Now
[8:28] this map that we have up there, these
[8:30] are some of the locations that were hit.
[8:31] >> Yeah. Uh notice uh airfield uh
[8:35] Ruweishid
[8:38] airfield all the way on the border with
[8:39] Jordan. Um the airfield, the air defense
[8:43] airfield, H3 airfield just north of
[8:44] that. Now when when we strike, when the
[8:47] US strikes those airfields and
[8:49] presumably takes them over, what do we
[8:52] do with those airfields?
[8:53] >> Well, we hold we hold on to them hold on
[8:55] to them with special operations troops
[8:57] in preparation for
[8:59] air-landing troops, which we're going to
[9:01] require to in order to operate in
[9:03] northern Iraq.
[9:04] >> So in essence, they become bases for US
[9:05] troops.
[9:06] >> Yes, and I think that's exactly why we
[9:07] might be striking them now so we can
[9:09] seize them with our forces and use them
[9:12] as jumping-off places in order to fight
[9:14] the war in northern Iraq. Don't forget
[9:16] we don't have access to northern Iraq
[9:17] from southern Turkey now. Well, the vote
[9:19] is still coming up presumably today to
[9:22] use the airspace over Turkey, correct?
[9:24] >> Well, airspace over Turkey is one thing.
[9:26] Basing our
[9:28] our aircraft in Turkey and then flying
[9:30] sorties out of Turkey, that's something
[9:31] else again. I don't think necessarily
[9:33] we're going to get approval. And that's
[9:34] still not good enough for what we really
[9:36] want, and that is the ability to base
[9:38] our forces in Turkey in order to make
[9:40] attacks in northern Iraq. My guess is
[9:42] that the 4th Inf US Infantry Division
[9:44] right now is steaming down through the
[9:46] Suez Canal around to get to Kuwait.
[9:49] We'll use the 4th Infantry Division as
[9:51] backup forces in order to exploit, but
[9:55] we've got to get some forces up in
[9:56] northern Iraq and that may very well be
[9:58] why we're trying we had strikes on these
[10:01] airfields in western Iraq so that maybe
[10:03] we can bring air land troops in in order
[10:05] to make the attack in western Iraq.
[10:07] >> How important is darkness because
[10:08] darkness is right around the corner in
[10:10] Iraq now? Well, we've got a few hours
[10:12] left left to go. I think our air strikes
[10:14] could come in the dark. We can operate
[10:16] we can operate in the dark on the ground
[10:18] as well. My guess is that if there is
[10:21] going to be any any more attacks they'll
[10:23] come in the dark which means if there's
[10:24] not if you're going to be any ground
[10:25] movement it'll come during the dark. But
[10:27] we have to remember it's now the weekend
[10:29] in Iraq.
[10:30] Thursday, Friday is Saturday, Sunday. So
[10:34] and and it may be that we're going to
[10:36] conduct an attack on on the Sabbath in
[10:38] Iraq. I don't think so. Friday. On yes,
[10:41] on Friday.
[10:43] I think it's unlikely but it's not
[10:44] impossible. Because everybody was
[10:46] pointing to Thursday.
[10:47] >> Right. As soon as the sun goes down
[10:48] that's the
[10:50] the
[10:50] the Sabbath begins and I don't know
[10:52] whether or not we're going to be
[10:53] interested in attacking during that
[10:54] time. We'll see. All right, Colonel.
[10:55] Thanks for the rundown. Do appreciate
[10:57] it. We'll talk to you a little bit later
[10:58] on.
[10:59] 37 minutes past the hour. Bianca, we'll
[11:00] throw it over to you right now. Okay,
[11:02] Sam. Thank you very much. And when all
[11:03] of this started military officials said
[11:05] that three dozen Tomahawk cruise
[11:07] missiles were launched from ships. One
[11:10] ship that has already seen action in the
[11:12] Persian Gulf, the USS Abraham Lincoln.
[11:14] That's where Hensen Hussein is right at
[11:16] this time. Hensen, what have you seen
[11:18] there when all of this started? You're
[11:20] right there in the Persian Gulf. What
[11:23] have you seen?
[11:25] Well, Bianca, I've actually been
[11:26] monitoring the flight deck aboard the
[11:29] Abraham Lincoln for the last few hours.
[11:30] You have to keep in mind that the
[11:31] Abraham Lincoln is part of a carrier
[11:33] group. There's a battle group, a number
[11:35] of smaller ships like destroyers and
[11:37] cruisers and submarines to support the
[11:38] carrier. And they're the ones that were
[11:40] firing the Tomahawks.
[11:42] And they're they can be miles and miles
[11:44] away from the carrier. So we were unable
[11:46] to see any of those Tomahawks take to
[11:49] the skies and we were told beforehand
[11:50] that if there was any kind of attack we
[11:52] would not see them from the carrier.
[11:53] That said, in the last few hours
[11:56] the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln has
[11:58] been very much like JFK Airport on a
[12:01] long weekend. It's just been very busy.
[12:03] I've never seen this many planes on that
[12:06] deck in the two weeks that I've been
[12:07] embedded here on the ship. I've seen
[12:09] F-14s and F-18s take to the skies all
[12:12] loaded with missiles and bombs and
[12:14] Sidewinder missiles as well. And those
[12:16] Sidewinders are specifically for
[12:17] anti-aircraft
[12:19] defenses. I guess they're they're
[12:21] thinking that somewhere along the line
[12:22] there might be some remnants of the
[12:24] Iraqi Air Force up there that they have
[12:25] to protect themselves against. How
[12:27] recently did you see that?
[12:29] Sorry. Bianca, go ahead.
[12:30] >> How recently did you see those planes
[12:32] take to the sky? You say it's very busy
[12:34] up there but how recently did you see
[12:35] movement?
[12:37] The last takeoff I saw was about 10
[12:39] minutes ago. Now you have to bear in
[12:40] mind that
[12:42] for months the Lincoln has been
[12:43] conducting operations Southern Watch,
[12:46] just been monitoring the southern no-fly
[12:48] zone of Iraq. And
[12:50] I spoke to some of the pilots and they
[12:51] say they're continuing to do that
[12:53] although the operation has changed now
[12:55] called as as you probably know Operation
[12:56] Iraqi Freedom. However, and they are and
[12:59] they are definitely bombing sites in
[13:01] southern Iraq. They're coming back with
[13:02] far
[13:03] fewer ordnance than they they left with
[13:05] but there's no sense that they've
[13:07] actually engaged
[13:09] I guess Iraqi troops yet. Have you
[13:12] talked with any of the pilots when
[13:13] they've returned? Have they described
[13:15] what it's been like so far?
[13:18] I haven't we haven't had a chance to
[13:19] speak to any of the pilots yet. In fact,
[13:22] the Navy has been clamping down on
[13:24] access to pilots after they get back
[13:26] from their their their missions. The
[13:28] last time we spoke to any pilots was was
[13:30] early this morning
[13:32] as they were heading out and and they're
[13:33] just they just continue to say it's
[13:35] business as usual. We may be leaving
[13:37] with a bunch of bombs and missiles. We
[13:38] may not come back with them.
[13:40] We're still flying other stuff in Iraq
[13:41] as we were doing before. The mission may
[13:43] change but right now I can't tell you
[13:44] much more than that. What about the mood
[13:46] there on the USS Abraham Lincoln? A lot
[13:48] of troops that we saw interviewed said
[13:50] that they were just ready to go. It was
[13:52] kind of
[13:53] bothering them to just hang on and hang
[13:55] on. Did you feel a sense of anxiety,
[13:58] relief, excitement when all of this
[13:59] started? What is the mood there right
[14:01] now?
[14:02] I think there's a definitely a
[14:05] a calm determination here aboard the USS
[14:07] Abraham Lincoln.
[14:08] Especially so because this ship has been
[14:11] out at sea being deployed for a record
[14:14] number of months. It's one of the
[14:15] longest deployments in naval history and
[14:17] these people are just dying to get home.
[14:19] And now to see that there's some kind of
[14:21] action on the horizon makes them feel
[14:23] well, you know what, once this is over
[14:24] we now have a clear sense that we're
[14:26] going to be getting home soon. So
[14:27] there's that. There's also a sense that,
[14:29] you know, we've been training for this
[14:30] for months. We've actually been in
[14:32] quasi-combat situations over southern
[14:34] Iraq. We know what it's like to be in
[14:36] this kind of situation and it's great
[14:38] that we're finally putting our training
[14:39] to work. And we don't think it's going
[14:41] to be much different, maybe even more
[14:42] more frequent, but we feel that
[14:45] you know, this is what we were sent here
[14:46] to do and we're really glad that we're
[14:48] getting a chance to do it and we will be
[14:49] we believe we'll do it very well. Okay.
[14:51] Hensen reporting for us from the Persian
[14:53] Gulf. Thank you very much. Sam. Thanks
[14:56] very much, Bianca. I want to get to a
[14:57] number of items that are crossing right
[14:58] now on the wire, a number of bulletins.
[15:00] First of all, US defense sources now
[15:01] saying that British troops were not
[15:03] involved in Thursday's attack. And then
[15:05] there is reaction from all across the
[15:07] globe and I want to do a quick rundown
[15:08] on that. Russian Prime Minister says he
[15:10] regrets any military means that were
[15:12] used. Indonesia is at this hour strongly
[15:14] denouncing unilateral attacks. China is
[15:17] calling for the immediate halt of all
[15:19] attacks. Meantime, there is some support
[15:21] from Japan and the Philippines. They are
[15:23] supporting attacks from the United
[15:25] States. So we are now seeing at this
[15:26] hour reaction coming in from across the
[15:28] globe from the first attack that was uh
[15:31] made. We want to go right now to Walid
[15:33] Phares. He's a Middle East expert and
[15:34] MSNBC analyst for us to talk with more
[15:36] about a number of issues that are
[15:38] transpiring and uh
[15:40] Professor Phares, good morning to you,
[15:41] sir. First of all, let's talk a little
[15:43] bit about Saddam Hussein. He appeared on
[15:45] television to his people and he said
[15:47] that they would be victorious. What did
[15:49] you make of first of all his speech and
[15:51] was that indeed
[15:53] at least do you believe Saddam Hussein
[15:56] Well, yes, that was Saddam Hussein
[15:57] indeed. I analyzed the short speech. He
[16:01] tried to do two things at the same time
[16:02] which is very difficult. Number one, to
[16:05] trigger interest in a continuous
[16:08] international support to Saddam Hussein
[16:11] or at least anti-Americanism. He was
[16:13] calling on all those courageous people
[16:15] who
[16:16] can stop the United States on the one
[16:18] hand. Of course, he meant Russia, France
[16:20] and other
[16:21] powers that are criticizing United
[16:23] States. But at the same time he
[16:26] spoke in religious terms. He spoke of
[16:28] jihad several times. For a socialist
[16:30] that's very strange. He also introduced
[16:33] another word kuffar which is infidel. I
[16:35] mean, this is the kind of speech that
[16:37] Osama bin Laden or Al Jazeera would use.
[16:39] What he's trying to do is to rally the
[16:41] fundamentalists on his right and of
[16:43] course still try to mobilize the
[16:45] international community to help him. Of
[16:47] course, there is a great deal of
[16:49] speculation that a number of his troops,
[16:51] his forces
[16:52] do not support him and are now beginning
[16:55] to defect.
[16:56] Talk about that if you will right now.
[16:58] The reports that we are receiving
[16:59] particularly from southern Kuwait where
[17:01] a number of troops apparently are
[17:03] beginning to surrender.
[17:05] Well, basically Saddam Hussein controls
[17:08] his army through his intelligence
[17:10] services. He controls his intelligence
[17:12] services through his party and his
[17:15] personal guard. At this point the real
[17:18] defection that would come is not just,
[17:20] you know, few hundred of soldiers at the
[17:22] front line who are fearing American
[17:24] advancing. The real defection will come
[17:27] when there will be a spot in Iraq. In
[17:29] this case could be Basra or Kirkuk in
[17:31] the north whereby there will be a phased
[17:33] liberation. Other Iraqis including
[17:36] members of the armed forces of Iraq
[17:38] would like to see other free Iraqis
[17:41] under the Iraqi flag calling on them.
[17:44] The question is not defecting. It's
[17:46] defecting to whom? They don't want to
[17:47] defect to the Kuwaitis en masse nor to
[17:49] the Americans. They really want to
[17:51] defect to another opposition Iraqi
[17:53] opposition
[17:55] on Iraqi soil. So as soon as an area,
[17:58] significant area is freed, it will be in
[18:00] the interest of the United States and of
[18:01] the coalition to establish an immediate
[18:05] local Iraqi-based opposition
[18:07] power. Professor, I want to turn your
[18:09] attention right now to another item
[18:10] which is making news. This in
[18:12] Afghanistan because of course you know a
[18:14] great deal about Al-Qaeda and the war on
[18:16] terrorism. There is word that about 100
[18:19] or rather 1,000 I should say US troops
[18:21] launched a raid on villages in
[18:23] southeastern Afghanistan and they are
[18:25] hunting for members of Al-Qaeda. This
[18:27] was timed almost simultaneously with
[18:30] this initial bombing in Iraq. What do
[18:32] you know about this hunt in Afghanistan?
[18:35] Well, from the perspective of Al-Qaeda
[18:37] it was expected. They had tried in the
[18:40] past to mobilize and to
[18:43] basically do the first strike against
[18:45] the United States forces before we move
[18:47] into Iraq.
[18:48] Now certainly Al-Qaeda would like to
[18:50] pause itself as the defender of Iraq,
[18:53] not the defender of Saddam Hussein. Now
[18:56] that this dual attack on Iraq and on
[18:59] Al-Qaeda basically would be received by
[19:02] the Al-Qaeda folks as we can do two
[19:04] fronts at the same time. Don't try to
[19:08] ignite terrorist activities elsewhere
[19:09] because we are able to go on two
[19:11] theaters at the same time. Want to ask
[19:13] you about a report that's coming out of
[19:15] the Washington Post this morning and I'm
[19:17] reading from the AP wire service with
[19:18] regards to this. Just hours before the
[19:20] US launched that surprise attack
[19:23] in Iraq, the CIA apparently informed
[19:25] President Bush that the spy agency
[19:27] believed that it did indeed have a fix
[19:29] on Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. Does
[19:31] that surprise you that there was that
[19:33] much intelligence, that level of
[19:35] intelligence by the United States on the
[19:37] whereabouts of the president of Iraq?
[19:39] Not really because in contrast with a
[19:42] previous situation back in 1982 when
[19:45] Mr. Arafat, at the time head of the PLO,
[19:47] was running away in West Beirut from
[19:50] Israelis.
[19:52] Arafat had the support of all
[19:54] Palestinian forces at the time. Saddam
[19:56] Hussein is a brutal leader, but he
[19:58] doesn't have the support of his own
[20:00] people. So, definitely Western
[20:03] intelligence services, including of
[20:04] course the CIA and other American
[20:06] agencies,
[20:08] must have gathered significant amount of
[20:10] information and left them for the moment
[20:12] for D-Day. From your research that you
[20:15] have done on Saddam Hussein, what do you
[20:17] suppose he is thinking right now? And
[20:20] this may be the $64,000 question of the
[20:23] of the morning, but what does he do
[20:25] next? Do you have any indication what's
[20:27] around the corner? Well, Saddam Hussein
[20:29] of this morning is different from Saddam
[20:32] Hussein of yesterday for for two
[20:34] reasons. Number one,
[20:35] the attack against him and it was very
[20:37] visible in his speech. It was visible on
[20:40] Al Jazeera when we saw two or three
[20:42] ministers in his government coming and
[20:45] criticizing the United States. I mean,
[20:47] if 10,000 Iraqis would have been killed
[20:49] in the battlefield, he would he would be
[20:50] smiling. But one rocket on his bunker
[20:53] and and and of course he he appeared
[20:55] different. But Saddam Hussein basically
[20:58] has three lines of defense. Had three
[21:00] lines of defense or thought he had. One
[21:03] was at the United Nations, which
[21:04] basically collapsed. The second was a
[21:07] perception that European governments and
[21:09] Arab regimes or governments would would
[21:12] come to his rescue and won't let this
[21:13] happen and he sees that it's not going
[21:15] to happen anymore. The last line of
[21:17] defense basically is the Iraqi
[21:20] army, the Iraqi armed forces. And at
[21:21] this point, and I go back to the first
[21:24] statement I made, any free spot in Iraq
[21:27] is going to be the beginning of the end
[21:29] of his regime, even if it takes time on
[21:31] the ground.
[21:32] His nightmare would be to see Iraqis
[21:35] with Iraqi flag criticizing him in
[21:37] Arabic. Mhm.
[21:38] Professor Walid Phares, thank you very
[21:40] much. You're an MSNBC analyst. We do
[21:42] appreciate the insight and of course we
[21:43] will be seeing more of you later on this
[21:45] morning. Take care.
[21:47] Bianca. Well, it was just a little more
[21:49] than two hours after the deadline
[21:51] President Bush had given Saddam Hussein
[21:52] and his sons to leave Iraq or face war.
[21:55] Just a little more than two hours after
[21:56] that deadline expired, that President
[21:58] Bush was in the Oval Office addressing
[22:01] the nation telling them that the war had
[22:03] indeed begun. This is going to be a
[22:04] long, difficult battle, but US troops
[22:07] will succeed in their mission to disarm
[22:09] Iraq and free the Iraqi people. Let's
[22:11] now take a listen to President Bush's
[22:13] speech earlier this evening.
[22:15] My fellow citizens,
[22:17] at this hour,
[22:18] American and coalition forces are in the
[22:20] early stages of military operations
[22:23] to disarm Iraq, to free its people,
[22:26] and to defend the world from grave
[22:27] danger.
[22:29] On my orders,
[22:30] coalition forces have begun striking
[22:32] selected targets of military importance
[22:35] to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to
[22:37] wage war.
[22:39] These are opening stages of what will be
[22:41] a broad and concerted campaign.
[22:44] More than 35 countries are giving
[22:46] crucial support
[22:48] from the use of naval and airbases,
[22:51] to help with intelligence and logistics,
[22:53] to the deployment of combat units.
[22:56] Every nation in this coalition has
[22:58] chosen to bear the duty
[23:01] and share the honor
[23:02] of serving in our common defense.
[23:06] To all the men and women of the United
[23:07] States armed forces now in the Middle
[23:09] East,
[23:10] the peace of a troubled world and the
[23:12] hopes of an oppressed people
[23:14] now depend on you.
[23:16] That trust is well placed.
[23:19] The enemies you confront will come to
[23:21] know your skill and bravery.
[23:23] The people you liberate will witness the
[23:25] honorable and decent spirit of the
[23:28] American military.
[23:30] In this conflict,
[23:32] America faces an enemy has no regard for
[23:35] conventions of war or rules of morality.
[23:39] Saddam Hussein has placed Iraqi troops
[23:41] and equipment in civilian areas
[23:43] attempting to use innocent men, women,
[23:46] and children as shields for his own
[23:48] military.
[23:50] A final atrocity against his people.
[23:53] I want Americans and all the world to
[23:55] know
[23:56] that coalition forces will make every
[23:58] effort
[23:59] to spare innocent civilians from harm.
[24:03] A campaign on the harsh terrain of a
[24:04] nation as large as California
[24:07] could be longer
[24:08] and more difficult than some predict.
[24:12] And helping Iraqis achieve a united,
[24:13] stable, and free country
[24:15] will require our sustained commitment.
[24:19] We come to Iraq
[24:20] with respect for its citizens,
[24:23] for their great civilization,
[24:25] and for the religious faiths they
[24:26] practice.
[24:28] We have no ambition in Iraq except to
[24:30] remove a threat
[24:32] and restore control of that country to
[24:34] its own people.
[24:36] I know that the families of our military
[24:38] are praying that all those who serve
[24:41] will return safely and soon.
[24:44] Millions of Americans are praying with
[24:45] you
[24:47] for the safety of your loved ones
[24:49] and for the protection of the innocent.
[24:52] For your sacrifice,
[24:53] you have the gratitude and respect of
[24:56] the American people.
[24:58] And you can know
[25:00] that our forces will be coming home as
[25:02] soon as their work is done.
[25:05] Our nation enters this conflict
[25:06] reluctantly.
[25:08] Yet our purpose is sure.
[25:11] The people of the United States and our
[25:12] friends and allies will not live at the
[25:15] mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens
[25:17] the peace with weapons of mass murder.
[25:21] We will meet that threat now
[25:23] with our army, Air Force, Navy, Coast
[25:26] Guard, and Marines
[25:28] so that we do not have to meet it later
[25:30] with armies of firefighters and police
[25:32] and