NBC News - Iraq War - 2003-03-20 - 10 p.m. (E)
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[0:06] >> Dawn in Baghdad just minutes away and a
[0:10] new day brings unsettling news. An
[0:12] American helicopter down. 16 people on
[0:15] board. No reported survivors.
[0:22] Target Iraq. A dine special. Here now is
[0:26] Tom Brokoff.
[0:28] Good evening. Surgical strikes then
[0:30] pauses more powerful explosions, more
[0:33] pauses. The goal tonight across Iraq to
[0:36] target, taunt, and terrorize Saddam
[0:39] Hussein and his inner circle. The skies
[0:41] over Baghdad are quiet now at dawn, but
[0:44] there is tension. The Pentagon says the
[0:46] attacks of today are but a taste of
[0:48] what's to come. Here are the latest
[0:50] developments tonight. A US Marine
[0:52] helicopter has gone down in Kuwait. 16
[0:55] people on board reported to be dead. The
[0:58] heaviest fighting now is reported to be
[0:59] in the towns of Bazra in the south and
[1:02] Mosul in the north. And bombs did
[1:04] intense damage earlier today on
[1:07] strategic targets in Baghdad. And here
[1:09] at home, the largest anti-war protest
[1:12] the nation has seen. Thousands of people
[1:15] gathered in Chicago, shutting down the
[1:17] city's famous Lakeshore Drive, staging a
[1:20] march in the middle of rush hour.
[1:22] However, at this hour, all of that is
[1:24] overshadowed by the devastating breaking
[1:26] news, the first confirmed coalition
[1:29] casualties of this war. We get the
[1:31] latest on that now from NBC's Jim
[1:33] Mcclashevky, who joins me at the
[1:35] Pentagon. Jim
[1:36] >> Tom, US military officials say it's now
[1:38] believed that all 16 US Marines and
[1:42] British commandos aboard a US Marine
[1:45] troop transport helicopter were killed
[1:47] tonight when their helicopter crashed
[1:49] somewhere near the Iraqi Kuwaiti border.
[1:52] Uh these troops, the Marines and the
[1:54] British commandos uh were returning from
[1:56] a mission offshore in the Persian Gulf
[1:59] when the helicopter went down. At this
[2:01] time, Tom, it's not believed that the
[2:03] helicopter went down due to hostile
[2:06] fire, uh, but may have gone down because
[2:08] of inclement weather. Nevertheless,
[2:11] whatever the cause, 16 believed dead,
[2:13] the first coalition casualties
[2:15] apparently in this war. Tom,
[2:17] >> thanks very much. NBC Jim McClashesky at
[2:19] the Pentagon tonight. Since the first
[2:21] surprising strikes just over 24 hours
[2:23] ago, the battle over Baghdad has
[2:25] unfolded at a furious pace. NBC's Dennis
[2:28] Murphy tonight with an overview of a
[2:30] long day's journey into war.
[2:34] >> Parts of central Baghdad were burning
[2:36] out of control tonight. A government
[2:39] ministry run by one of Saddam Hussein's
[2:41] sons, a presidential palace, a home of
[2:44] one of Saddam's wives, Republican Guard
[2:47] strongholds, all hit in a brief but
[2:49] ferocious assault from US cruise
[2:51] missiles and 2,000 lb penetrating bombs.
[2:55] Peter Arnett, reporting for National
[2:57] Geographic Explorer and NBC News,
[3:00] described the view from his window as
[3:01] thunderous explosions lit up the night
[3:03] sky shortly after 9:00 p.m. Baghdad
[3:06] time.
[3:07] >> Big explosion
[3:09] near the presidential palace. You will
[3:12] hear those explosions now.
[3:14] >> It's the second attack on Baghdad in 16
[3:17] hours. Missiles launched from sea. Smart
[3:21] bombs dropped from stealth war plananes
[3:23] like this one. US officials said they
[3:25] intend to hit the apparatus of Saddam's
[3:28] Stalin estate like a boxer.
[3:31] >> Punch hard, step back, pause, and see if
[3:34] it needs another one. Defense Secretary
[3:37] Donald Rumsfeld said today, "The big
[3:39] violent display is just beginning.
[3:41] >> What will follow will not be a repeat of
[3:43] any other conflict. It will be a of a
[3:46] force and scope and scale that has been
[3:49] beyond what has been seen before.
[3:56] To the south, US Army howitzers slammed
[3:58] shell after shell into Iraq from the
[4:00] Kuwaiti border. And then the ground war
[4:03] was on. US Army and Marine units are in
[4:06] Iraq tonight, pushing north in
[4:08] coordination with British troops.
[4:12] >> Some forces are coming under light fire.
[4:15] So far, one coastal Iraqi town has been
[4:18] taken, and a special forces helicopter
[4:20] made what US officers describe as a safe
[4:23] crash landing in operations near Baghdad
[4:26] early Thursday. The Iraqis claim they
[4:28] shot it down. The crew of six was safely
[4:31] evacuated.
[4:32] The Iraqis also fired some mortar and
[4:35] rockets to no effect at US troops that
[4:37] haven't moved out yet on the Kuwaiti
[4:39] side. NBC's Dana Lewis with 101st
[4:42] Airborne joined the soldiers as they put
[4:45] on gas masks while a horn honked out a
[4:47] warning of another missile attack.
[4:49] Scenes like this were repeated many
[4:51] times today along the Kuwaiti front.
[4:55] The war began yesterday at dawn Iraqi
[4:58] time with the first air raid. A total
[5:00] fake out, a directed lightning attempt
[5:02] to kill Saddam Hussein and his top
[5:05] leaders. Anti-aircraft
[5:07] fire over Baghdad was followed moments
[5:09] later by an orange fireball at what was
[5:12] described as a target of opportunity. A
[5:15] private home outside Baghdad where
[5:17] electronic intelligence gathering had
[5:19] eavesdropped on a meeting of top ranking
[5:22] senior Iraqi military as well as Saddam
[5:24] and possibly both his sons Kus and Uday.
[5:29] The compound was flattened by a barrage
[5:32] of cruise missiles and two bunker buster
[5:34] bombs designed to slam into subterranean
[5:37] chambers and explode.
[5:41] >> A few hours later, Saddam Hussein
[5:43] appeared on tape on Iraqi TV, denouncing
[5:46] the president as Bush Jr., a criminal.
[5:49] But some US officials wondered whether
[5:51] the subdued man with the unfamiliar
[5:53] glasses reading listlessly from a line
[5:55] pad was actually Saddam or a double.
[5:59] Tonight, some analysts believe this is
[6:01] Saddam, but think the message may have
[6:03] been taped before the first air raid.
[6:06] So, the question remains, is Saddam dead
[6:09] or alive? As US-led forces under the
[6:12] cover of artillery barges make their way
[6:14] toward Baghdad and provincial cities,
[6:17] propaganda leaflets explaining to the
[6:19] Iraqis how to surrender are being
[6:21] printed and air dropped by the millions.
[6:24] If the Iraqis do make a stand, it is
[6:26] likely military strategists think that
[6:28] it will happen in Baghdad, the sprawling
[6:30] city of 5 million people, an ancient
[6:33] capital enshrouded tonight in smoke and
[6:36] paralyzed by a fear it's hard to
[6:38] imagine.
[6:40] And I'm joined now by NBC News
[6:42] correspondent David Bloom, who's an
[6:44] embedded journalist with the Third
[6:46] Infantry Division, which went across the
[6:48] line into Iraq. It will be the tip of
[6:50] the spear. David, what can you tell us
[6:52] about what you have seen today?
[6:56] >> Well, Tom, what we've seen in the last
[6:59] uh say 12 hours or so is the following.
[7:02] We the our unit started to fire
[7:05] artillery into Iraq around 8:00 p.m.
[7:09] local time, which would be noon back in
[7:14] New York. For about a half an hour, they
[7:16] fired artillery on two Iraqi observation
[7:20] posts, and then they started to move
[7:22] toward the Iraqi border. They first
[7:25] crossed a burm on the Kuwaiti side. Then
[7:28] they crossed through a electrical fence
[7:30] that their uh earlier scouts had already
[7:34] cut holes through. And then we moved
[7:37] into Iraq itself at about 1010 p.m.
[7:43] local time. So about 2:10 in the
[7:45] afternoon New York time. and we've been
[7:47] moving into Iraq ever since with the
[7:50] lead elements of the Third Infantry
[7:52] Division, the Spartan Brigade. We
[7:54] crossed through an Iraqi minefield uh
[7:57] which had been marked with the uh the
[8:00] chem lights for guidance as we as we
[8:03] walked as we rode through into Iraq. We
[8:06] crossed through unexloded ordinance from
[8:09] the uh 1991 Persian Gulf War that
[8:12] American war plananes had dropped, but
[8:14] that these tanks and Bradley fighting
[8:16] vehicles and other vehicles that form
[8:18] the lead element of the third ID had to
[8:21] be wary of. Those also had been marked
[8:23] with a path through where they could
[8:24] safely travel. At that point, we saw
[8:27] destroyed Iraqi T72 tanks from the first
[8:30] Gulf War. destroyed Iraqi armored
[8:33] personnel carriers from the first Iraq
[8:35] war. I can tell you that this is the the
[8:38] 315 infantry and they were the ones who
[8:41] headed straight for those Iraqi
[8:43] observation posts which each contained
[8:46] roughly 30 or so Iraqis who they had to
[8:49] uh take out, if you will, to make sure
[8:52] that they did not relay messages back to
[8:54] Baghdad as to the pre precise location
[8:57] where this third infantry division was
[8:59] coming through. They encountered some
[9:02] light resistance, but as far as we've
[9:04] been told, no American casualties so
[9:07] far. What they've done is they've moved
[9:08] into Iraq, and the the bull work of the
[9:12] Third Infantry Division will now be
[9:14] rolling in here. But right now, we are
[9:16] literally at the front lines. There are
[9:18] no American units, at least not with the
[9:20] Third Infantry Division. They're ahead
[9:22] of us right here into Iraq. Tom.
[9:24] >> All right, David, final question because
[9:26] I know that you've got other things to
[9:28] do. Have you encountered any resistance
[9:30] or seen any Iraqi troops on the horizon?
[9:36] >> We have not, Tom. Um there there was a
[9:38] report of uh some Iraqis in a vehicle uh
[9:41] that these uh soldiers were giving
[9:44] pursuit to uh because obviously the
[9:47] critical aspect for them is to not let
[9:49] messages get relayed back to Baghdad as
[9:52] to the precise location of this large
[9:55] mechanized infantry division. Uh that's
[9:58] the only opposition that they've seen
[10:00] were at those uh quote unquote Iraqi
[10:02] observation posts. Having said that,
[10:04] they did not expect to encounter any
[10:06] opposition right at the outset. There
[10:08] are three regular army Iraqi divisions
[10:11] here in southern Iraq. They have not
[10:13] confronted them yet. They did not expect
[10:14] to. They're carrying with them what they
[10:16] call capitulation documents, which are
[10:19] forms that those Iraqi commanders can
[10:21] sign if they want to surrender to the
[10:23] American forces rather than fight. But
[10:25] keep in mind, the unit that we're with
[10:27] right now is the vanguard of this third
[10:30] infantry division. It's uh some tanks,
[10:33] some Bradley's, uh some infantrymen, but
[10:36] it's a pretty small force that literally
[10:39] is, as they as they say in the third ID,
[10:41] the tip of the spear. And uh and thus we
[10:44] have not encountered any observation or
[10:46] any opposition whatsoever at this point.
[10:48] Tom,
[10:49] >> thanks very much. Uh NBC's David Bloom
[10:51] with the Third Infantry Division as they
[10:53] move deeper and deeper into Iraq. Thanks
[10:55] very much, David. Be safe.
[10:57] David Bloom, the tip of the spear at
[10:59] 6:10 in the morning in Iraq. Let's go
[11:01] now to Peter Arnett in Baghdad for an
[11:05] assessment of what is going on there.
[11:06] Peter is on assignment for National
[11:07] Geographic Explorer and for NBC News.
[11:10] Peter, what are you seeing from your
[11:12] hotel room tonight?
[11:14] >> Well, Tom, it is dawn in Baghdad in the
[11:17] morning of the second day of the war.
[11:20] What I'm looking at now is smoke rising
[11:22] from the most uh significant target that
[11:24] we know of in this bombing campaign so
[11:27] far. The remains of the offices of Kus
[11:30] Hussein. He is the favorite son of
[11:33] President Saddam Hussein. Uh his office
[11:35] was hit last night at 9:00 in the
[11:38] heaviest wave of bombing here. Fierce
[11:41] fires for the first few hours and now
[11:43] white smoke rising from that building.
[11:45] It is in the heart of downtown Baghdad.
[11:48] To the uh further to the east of that,
[11:51] I'm sorry, to the west of that, there
[11:52] was a second building hit in this
[11:54] sprawling presidential compound. We are
[11:57] not sure what that building was. It
[11:58] burned for a while. There is no smoke
[12:00] now. Now, another significant target
[12:03] about this time yesterday in the first
[12:05] wave was the location, the believed
[12:07] location of the president himself. Iraqi
[12:10] uh officials have since said that one of
[12:13] the targets was the home of Sajjida
[12:15] Hussein, the wife of the president, the
[12:19] the the home of his wife and three
[12:21] daughters. They say, however, that the
[12:23] family did escape from the bombing. The
[12:26] we are still to learn of the actual the
[12:28] the locations and the designations of at
[12:32] least five or six other bombing targets
[12:34] that have happened in the last 24 hours.
[12:36] Tom, they are believed all to be
[12:38] leadership targets because the utilities
[12:40] of Baghdad remain standing. The lights
[12:43] are burning in the city all night. Water
[12:45] is flowing. Tom.
[12:46] >> All right. Thanks very much, Peter.
[12:47] Arnett, we'll ask you to stand by there
[12:49] throughout the evening and into the
[12:52] early morning hours. NBC's Kelly
[12:54] O'Donnell is in Garter where the US
[12:56] Central Military Command is running this
[12:58] war. Kelly, what's next for Operation
[13:00] Iraqi Freedom?
[13:03] Well, Tom, I've just been speaking to
[13:04] some of the officials here who are still
[13:06] trying to sort out details relating to
[13:08] the crash and loss of life of US and UK
[13:10] forces just a couple of hours ago. It
[13:13] has been a very tense time. They have
[13:15] described so far that all of the people
[13:17] who have been in the war room have been
[13:20] to this point calm and professional. I
[13:22] apologize for the wind here. Uh, one of
[13:25] the things they've been indicating to me
[13:26] is that the uh, psychological operations
[13:29] have been a key part of this campaign
[13:32] beyond the leafleting, beyond the radio
[13:34] broadcast that we've been telling you
[13:35] about. The leafleting now numbering
[13:37] about 19 million or so, trying to
[13:39] communicate directly to Iraqi troops and
[13:41] Iraqi civilians to give them
[13:43] instructions about what to do not to
[13:45] engage with US troops. These
[13:47] psychological operations go
[13:48] significantly beyond that, I'm told. and
[13:50] when we are given some briefings perhaps
[13:52] as early as today we may learn more
[13:54] about that. Also, officials say that
[13:56] what they've really been trying to do
[13:58] both in the limited media access that we
[14:00] have had very limited information has
[14:02] been coming out of US Central Command.
[14:04] That along with the strategic operations
[14:07] has been intended to try to create as
[14:09] much chaos within the Iraqi military as
[14:12] possible. That according to a senior
[14:14] USMCON official to make it difficult for
[14:16] them to react. We'll keep you posted,
[14:18] Tom, as we're checking to try and find
[14:20] out the very latest, Tom.
[14:21] >> All right, thanks very much. NBC's Kelly
[14:23] O'Donnell tonight in Gdder. So far, no
[14:26] chemical attacks on US forces, but it is
[14:29] a fear that will not go away. Here's
[14:31] John Hockenberry.
[14:36] It's the signal that tells every US
[14:38] soldier to stop what they're doing.
[14:43] The scenario played out a number of
[14:45] times over the past 24 hours in Qatar
[14:48] and in Kuwait. The 101st Airborne in
[14:51] Kuwait and NBC's Dana Lewis traveling
[14:54] with them heard the sirens for the first
[14:56] time just hours after President Bush
[14:58] announced the start of the war. The
[15:00] troops and the correspondent put on
[15:01] their gas masks and got in bunkers to
[15:03] wait out the first missile attack
[15:05] against Americans of this new war.
[15:07] >> This is considered not to be any kind of
[15:09] a drill. There was no scheduled drill.
[15:11] This is the the real thing.
[15:13] >> The question on every soldier's mind,
[15:15] might they be under a chemical attack?
[15:18] >> Is it unnerving for you?
[15:20] >> Yeah, anytime you going to get
[15:21] insecticide for people on you, it is. I
[15:24] mean, who wouldn't it be unnerving for?
[15:28] >> The troops get the all clear to leave
[15:30] their bunkers. The Al Samood that hit
[15:32] nearby apparently did not disperse toxic
[15:34] chemicals. The masks can come off
[15:37] throughout the region today. Tense
[15:39] drills like these. suspicion that Saddam
[15:41] Hussein may have used chemical weapons.
[15:44] >> US Marine took me by the shoulders,
[15:46] grabbed me, and threw me into a bunker
[15:48] and said, "We're under attack."
[15:50] >> But each time so far, a false alarm.
[15:54] >> Thank you. I've just been told that was
[15:56] the all clear.
[15:57] >> A chemical attack. Defense against it
[15:59] does not involve Patriot missiles. It is
[16:02] this and only this. Chemical suits and
[16:04] masks put on in a hurry, no matter what.
[16:08] Will these defenses be put to the test?
[16:10] >> I think we only have to go back in
[16:12] history
[16:13] to know the answer to that.
[16:15] >> Major General John Dozeberg is in charge
[16:17] of the army's chemical and biological
[16:19] warfare defense.
[16:21] >> Sodom Hussein in the past has used
[16:24] chemical agents. He's used chemical
[16:26] agents against Iran and he's used them
[16:28] against the Kurds.
[16:30] That should concern us.
[16:32] >> Troops in the field have been told to
[16:34] expect anything from Saddam's arsenal.
[16:37] Are these suits and masks up to the task
[16:39] of protecting advancing soldiers? The
[16:42] Pentagon says yes.
[16:44] >> We have the best army in the world and
[16:46] we have the best capability in the world
[16:47] to protect them.
[16:49] >> But critics like 1991 Gulf War veteran
[16:52] Steve Robinson aren't so confident,
[16:53] citing a congressional study indicating
[16:56] defects.
[16:57] >> A large percentage of the gas mask were
[16:58] reported to be defective just as uh far
[17:01] back as a year ago. Um, they say that
[17:04] the chemical detectors they use are
[17:05] defective.
[17:07] >> Defense officials say those problems
[17:09] have been corrected and the troops will
[17:11] be adequately protected when the alarm
[17:12] sounds.
[17:15] >> But the only way to really know is in a
[17:18] real attack, an attack which no one
[17:20] wants except perhaps Saddam Hussein.
[17:25] We just saw part of the long day of Dana
[17:27] Lewis who's with 101st Airborne. He
[17:31] joins us now. Uh it's a new day for the
[17:33] 101st and I gather that they're still in
[17:36] their fixed positions. Dana,
[17:39] >> they are Tom. I think that you will see
[17:42] elements of the 101st moving to
[17:44] locations that of course we wouldn't
[17:46] want to uh announce in advance, but I
[17:48] think the plan has always been that as
[17:50] the third infantry moves up, the 101st
[17:52] will move in behind and start to set up
[17:55] some forward refueling bases. First of
[17:57] all, for those Apache attack helicopters
[17:59] that we know have been active overnight,
[18:01] uh the the longer they have to travel,
[18:04] uh you can subtract that from the time
[18:06] that they then have on station that
[18:07] they're able to protect the troops in
[18:09] the field, that they're able to move on
[18:11] radar sites and take those out. So, they
[18:13] want to be able to move forward
[18:15] refueling points uh forward as possible
[18:18] so those helicopters can stay on station
[18:20] as long as they can. Uh it has been a
[18:23] sleepless night here overnight. a number
[18:25] of alarms going off. I think since
[18:27] midnight, we've had about three of them.
[18:29] And I was just talking to one of the
[18:31] commander staff here. And he tells me
[18:33] that in every one of those cases, there
[18:36] were missile launches from Iraq towards
[18:39] us. And in each case, uh the missiles
[18:42] came down in the Kuwaiti desert. In the
[18:44] last case, uh a couple of hours ago,
[18:46] Tom, that missile was intercepted by the
[18:49] uh Patriot anti-missile battery and that
[18:52] missile landed very very close to us. I
[18:55] don't want to say how close because it
[18:56] may help the Iraqis start to determine
[18:58] trajectory and and and improve their
[19:01] aim, which none of us would like to see
[19:03] at this point, but it was very close
[19:05] indeed. Through the night, uh we have
[19:07] also seen some outgoing from here. We've
[19:09] heard the big 155 mm artillery that
[19:12] started to fire just as the third
[19:14] infantry was moving across the border.
[19:16] And then in the middle of the night
[19:18] here, uh we also saw flashes in the sky,
[19:21] light beams that seemed to slowly extend
[19:24] out, hang in the sky in an arc, and then
[19:26] head towards the northeast towards Iraq.
[19:29] We were lo later told that that was the
[19:31] MLRS, the multiple launch rocket system
[19:35] of the US forces uh hitting targets in
[19:38] southern Iraq. Tom.
[19:40] >> All right, thanks very much. Uh Dana
[19:42] Lewis, who's withund first some uh un
[19:45] frightening moments for him. David Bloom
[19:48] is on the move. These are live pictures
[19:49] now as they're moving across the desert.
[19:52] This is the third infantry division.
[19:54] This is the tip of the spear. Uh it's a
[19:57] huge division. It's called the Third
[19:59] Infantry Division, but it's largely
[20:01] mechanized. A lot of armor, Bradley
[20:03] fighting vehicles, Abrams tanks. Uh, and
[20:06] this is the outfit that is expected to
[20:09] get to Baghdad first from the south.
[20:12] Maybe not in advance of special
[20:14] operation forces, but nonetheless, they
[20:16] are moving steadily northward. And based
[20:18] on the earlier report that we had from
[20:21] David Bloom, they did not encounter any
[20:23] resistance after they took out two
[20:26] observation posts. And uh it sounds like
[20:29] there were about 30 casualties there
[20:31] that they uh were forced to wipe out
[20:34] those posts so that they would not
[20:36] communicate back to Baghdad that the
[20:38] third infantry was now on the move. U
[20:41] that's a very flat piece of the desert.
[20:43] Uh it's open space. The question is what
[20:46] happens when they get to a very
[20:48] intricate canal system. Will they use
[20:50] the bridges that are already in place or
[20:52] will they begin to lie down, put down
[20:54] rather their own bridges? As we
[20:56] witnessed earlier during the bombardment
[20:58] today, there was a question that simply
[21:00] has not gone away. Was that really
[21:01] Saddam Hussein who appeared on
[21:03] television last night after the hit on
[21:06] his bunker? He appeared about 3 hours
[21:08] after the surprise attack on Baghdad. Or
[21:11] did he? Here's NBC's Andrea Mitchell.
[21:14] Tom, the US is trying to get Iraq's
[21:16] military to surrender by showing them
[21:18] just how easily the US has been able to
[21:20] track and target Saddam Hussein, but the
[21:22] mystery tonight is, is he alive or dead?
[21:28] It's been said that war is a deceitful
[21:30] game. So, when an image purportedly of
[21:32] Saddam was broadcast over Iraqi airwaves
[21:35] last night,
[21:37] hours after the US tried to kill him,
[21:39] deception was on the minds of many. Was
[21:42] it really Saddam or a body double? Was
[21:45] this a taped address or live? And the
[21:48] money question, had he survived the
[21:50] attack? Defense Secretary Donald
[21:52] Rumsfeld today said analysts are looking
[21:54] at the tape to see if it's real or a
[21:56] fake.
[21:57] >> There's debate about that.
[21:59] >> There are questions about the tape
[22:00] precisely because deception is one of
[22:02] the few military options open to Saddam.
[22:05] He has used body doubles before and he
[22:07] could use a double to conceal his
[22:09] whereabouts or to show that he's in
[22:11] control when he really isn't. But Andrew
[22:13] Coburn, who's written about Saddam, says
[22:15] he doesn't think that's what happened
[22:17] here.
[22:18] >> I believe he does have body doubles, but
[22:20] he would never let I don't think someone
[22:23] else go on the air and in a crucial
[22:26] speech at a crucial moment to the Iraqi
[22:27] people. I mean, you know, that would be
[22:30] seeding control. He will never do that.
[22:33] In fact, Coburn says the televised
[22:35] appearance convinced him it was the real
[22:37] Saddam.
[22:38] >> It's a man who's under pressure. There's
[22:39] a man who's, you know, doing it looks
[22:41] like almost he was doing it in a hurry.
[22:43] >> Still, there are curious details in
[22:45] Saddam's appearance. His posture seems
[22:48] weak. He's almost slouching. Not the
[22:50] strapping Saddam we've seen so often,
[22:52] although he is known to suffer back
[22:54] problems. He's known to wear glasses,
[22:56] but government analysts tell NBC News
[22:58] they've never seen him in these glasses.
[23:00] Buried in all of this might be vital
[23:02] clues for US strategic military planners
[23:04] who need to know as much as they can
[23:06] about where Saddam is and how he's
[23:08] doing. Intelligence analysts pour over
[23:11] every frame of a video like this,
[23:13] searching for clues.
[23:14] >> Was this something prepackaged before uh
[23:16] the war began or was this something that
[23:19] was delivered after the strikes or war
[23:21] which would give some indication about
[23:22] whether he survived it or not?
[23:24] Former CIA officer Michael Vickers says
[23:27] analysts have a number of high-tech
[23:28] tools at their disposal, including
[23:30] software that looks at voice patterns.
[23:32] >> Anyone with a known voice print where
[23:34] you can have a library of that, then
[23:36] you've got a database to match.
[23:37] >> But it's not just how he sounds.
[23:42] >> It's also the intricacies of what he's
[23:43] saying. There may be clues about whether
[23:46] it was pre-taped or broadcast live. That
[23:48] could say a lot about whether Saddam is
[23:50] still in command. a leader of a country
[23:52] under attack has got to try to rally his
[23:55] his his population and army. And so it's
[23:57] very important once the war begins to
[23:59] say, you know, I'm in charge.
[24:02] >> NBC News has learned that early voice
[24:03] recognition studies support the theory
[24:05] that it is Saddam. Although it's not
[24:08] conclusive, but there is still doubt
[24:10] about when the tape was made, before or
[24:12] after the first US attack. For now, we
[24:15] have to wait and see. And tonight, there
[24:17] is increased chatter among top Iraqi
[24:19] officials indicating if the US did not
[24:21] get Saddam, they may well have gotten
[24:23] other top leaders, possibly even his
[24:26] powerful son. Tom,
[24:28] >> NBC's Andrea Mitchell, thank you very
[24:29] much. Um, there is more on last night's
[24:32] attack on Saddam thanks to some late
[24:34] reporting by the Washington Post team.
[24:36] We're joined now by the Post Dana
[24:38] Priest. What have you learned about uh
[24:40] what they knew about where Saddam was
[24:43] when the president said, "Go ahead and
[24:45] do it." Well, Tom, US government
[24:47] officials have told the Washington Post
[24:49] today that while we might have been
[24:50] surprised to see the videotape, they
[24:52] weren't because they actually knew that
[24:55] he had made some videotapes this week.
[24:57] And in each one of them, he used a
[24:59] different date just for this purpose so
[25:01] that he could deceive us in the event
[25:02] that there was a strike and put off the
[25:05] uh inevitable conclusion about whether
[25:07] he was dead or alive. What's more
[25:09] interesting though also is that after 24
[25:11] hours of looking at the building they
[25:13] struck and listening to things coming
[25:15] out of there, they believe that he still
[25:18] was in the building when it was hit by
[25:20] those 42 bombs and missiles. So the big
[25:22] question is if he was still there, what
[25:25] condition is he in? And that's where the
[25:27] great debate is. There are indications
[25:29] that he was injured, although there are
[25:31] some people that say possibly he was
[25:33] not. just to cover their bases on the
[25:35] tapes. However, they did bring in a
[25:38] former mistress of Saddam Hussein who
[25:41] looked at them and she doesn't think
[25:43] that that's who it is.
[25:44] >> Donna, what about the sons U and Kus? Do
[25:47] they think that they were there as well?
[25:49] >> Yes, they do. And of course, they they
[25:51] also probably met the same fate. They
[25:53] were all in a bunker and they believe
[25:55] they demolished the bunker. That's one
[25:57] of the hardest targets to hit and that's
[25:59] why they used 2,000 pound bunker busting
[26:01] bombs that they actually had never used
[26:03] before.
[26:04] >> All right, thanks very much Dana Priest
[26:05] part of the crack Washington Post
[26:07] reporting team who developed that story
[26:09] overnight. Now we're now we're now
[26:11] joined by the commander of the first
[26:12] Gulf War, General Norman Schwarzoff who
[26:14] is an analyst for NBC News. Norman, what
[26:17] do you make of all all of this about
[26:18] Saddam Hussein and having him pinpointed
[26:20] and trying to determine whether he's
[26:22] alive or not? Well, you know, the old
[26:24] Clausowitzian theory of center of
[26:26] gravity, once it's destroyed, the nation
[26:28] will lose its will to fight. And Saddam
[26:30] certainly is a center of gravity for the
[26:32] Kuwaitis. I mean, for the Iraqis. So, if
[26:35] he was hit and he's finished, it's not
[26:37] going to be long before it's all over.
[26:39] >> Based on what you're seeing in terms of
[26:41] how the American battle plan is being
[26:43] executed and the absence of response or
[26:46] a very anemic response on the part of
[26:48] the Iraqis, does that tell you anything?
[26:50] >> Not really. You know, the third ID had a
[26:53] huge artillery prep before they went
[26:55] ahead and launched the attack. Uh that
[26:57] could have caused whatever forces were
[26:58] out there to withdraw and get out get
[27:00] out of the way as quickly as they
[27:01] possibly could. But but the fact that
[27:03] the uh that the El Fall Peninsula is
[27:06] occupied, the fact that the Third ID is
[27:08] moving at will at the present time, the
[27:10] fact that the air attacks are going off
[27:12] not as we expected, but certainly with a
[27:14] great deal of success, all of it sounds
[27:16] pretty good at this stage of the game.
[27:18] You're aware of those reports as well
[27:20] that senior American officials have
[27:22] contacted senior Republican Guard
[27:24] officials and there are some preliminary
[27:26] discussions we're told about the
[27:28] possibility of surrender terms.
[27:30] >> Yeah, that I got to tell you that one
[27:31] blows my mind. Uh you know, Saddam
[27:34] hasn't been very successful with his
[27:36] generals and he doesn't trust any of
[27:37] them other than the Republican Guard
[27:39] generals that are supposedly personally
[27:41] selected by him. uh if these folks are
[27:44] in fact engaged in secret talks and he
[27:47] finds out they're as good as dead in a
[27:49] big hurry. So I really surprised me that
[27:50] we made the announcement that that those
[27:53] talks were in fact going on.
[27:55] >> All right. Thank you very much, General
[27:57] Norman Schwarzoff. By the way, are you
[27:59] surprised by all despite all the talk
[28:01] about shock and awe that the battle plan
[28:03] is unfolding the way it is?
[28:05] >> Well, yeah. I I I I think we all were
[28:08] surprised last night that when we were
[28:09] all sitting there together and and the
[28:11] first strike came in uh and it was as
[28:13] small as it was and now it continues to
[28:15] be that way. But but you know, you can't
[28:17] can't argue with success and so far
[28:18] they've been pretty successful.
[28:20] >> Well, shock and awe can come in small
[28:22] packages as long as they're effective.
[28:24] >> Definitely.
[28:25] >> Thank you very much, General Norman
[28:27] Schwarzoff, who was commander of course
[28:28] during Operation Desert Storm. For
[28:30] weeks, the drum beat of war has included
[28:32] that phrase shock and awe to describe
[28:34] the first major assault. What was
[28:36] perhaps shocking was that's not quite
[28:39] how it turned out. It began instead with
[28:41] a surgical strike aimed directly at
[28:43] Saddam Hussein. So, what more can we
[28:46] expect from this unique military
[28:48] strategy? Victoria Corderi tonight with
[28:51] a man behind it.
[28:54] It will be a of a force and scope and
[28:57] scale that has been beyond what has been
[29:01] seen before.
[29:04] Shock and awe is designed to stun the
[29:06] opposition into submission. First by
[29:08] psychological propaganda, then by an
[29:11] overwhelming and precise use of force,
[29:14] striking multiple strategic targets,
[29:16] disrupting communication and command
[29:18] centers, and creating confusion and
[29:21] fear.
[29:22] What you do is by through this
[29:24] simultaneous effort so intimidate so
[29:26] overwhelm the adversary they look around
[29:28] and say oh my god there's better things
[29:30] to do than fight a war.
[29:31] >> Harlon man helped conceive the strategy
[29:34] and coined the term shock and awe. He
[29:36] says no one from the administration has
[29:38] consulted him directly but the former
[29:41] naval officer once taught Secretary of
[29:43] State Colon Powell at the National War
[29:45] College. and he says Secretary of
[29:47] Defense Donald Rumsfeld was briefly part
[29:50] of the group that formulated the
[29:51] strategy a decade ago.
[29:54] Man says yesterday's surprise attack on
[29:56] Hussein, while not massive in scope,
[29:58] fits neatly into this philosophy
[30:01] developed by others long ago. The goal
[30:03] is to decapitate the enemy.
[30:05] >> How did this concept originate? Well,
[30:07] actually the roots of this concept go
[30:09] back to China several thousand years ago
[30:10] when SunSu, the famous military
[30:12] philosopher, wrote that the best way to
[30:14] win a battle is to win it without
[30:15] fighting it.
[30:16] >> Man says the ultimate example of shock
[30:19] and awe was the dropping of the atomic
[30:21] bomb during World War II.
[30:23] >> Two nuclear weapons, Hiroshima and
[30:25] Nagasaki, caused the Japanese to quit.
[30:27] Now, that was shock and awe. And every
[30:28] time I use that analogy, people say,
[30:30] "Well, you're going to destroy Baghdad."
[30:31] No, that's not what we want to do. What
[30:33] you're trying to do in essence is to get
[30:36] an enemy who was suicidal in the extreme
[30:39] to quit. That's shock and awe.
[30:41] >> Still, Olman admits much could go wrong.
[30:44] Some of the new high-tech weapons are
[30:46] untested in battle. There could be
[30:48] serious collateral damage, destruction
[30:50] and loss of innocent life.
[30:52] >> Couldn't part of that collateral damage
[30:54] also be unwittingly hitting chemical or
[30:57] biological weapons?
[30:58] >> Sure. And that was a problem in 1991.
[31:01] But I think we're going to be very
[31:02] sensitive to what we aim for if we think
[31:03] it's WMD, weapons of mass destruction.
[31:06] >> But we don't even know where they are.
[31:07] >> Well, I don't know. I hope we do.
[31:08] >> Despite the risks, Alman says shock and
[31:11] awe is far better than search and
[31:13] destroy and may end up saving many more
[31:15] lives on both sides of this conflict.
[31:18] >> And we just hope that by doing it this
[31:20] way that the Iraqi military and
[31:22] political leadership will understand the
[31:24] desperate situation they're in and do
[31:26] the smart thing, which is surrender. But
[31:28] at this stage, who knows? One hopes.
[31:32] >> And of course, with the war underway,
[31:34] there is increased concern about
[31:36] security here at home. My colleague
[31:38] Stone Phillips has been tracking that.
[31:41] Tom, the war against terrorism continues
[31:43] even as the war against Iraq
[31:45] intensified. Tonight, some disquing
[31:47] news. An FBI bulletin has gone out to
[31:50] law enforcement agencies across the
[31:52] country to be on the lookout for a man
[31:54] believed to be a top al-Qaeda field
[31:56] commander who may be planning new terror
[31:58] attacks here. Joining us now from
[32:00] Washington with the latest on this,
[32:01] NBC's Pete Williams. Pete. Well, Stone,
[32:04] he is someone the FBI is very concerned
[32:06] about tonight. The bureau sent out a
[32:08] worldwide bulletin today asking for help
[32:10] in finding him. We know his name, Adnan
[32:13] GL Shukrra Juma. He's 27 from Saudi
[32:16] Arabia and officials believe he could be
[32:18] the leader of an al-Qaeda terrorist cell
[32:21] just as Muhammad Ata was the key
[32:23] operative behind the 9/11 attacks. FBI
[32:26] agents today searched a house in
[32:28] Myiramar, Florida, which is Shukrajuma's
[32:30] last known address. While they were
[32:32] there, they interviewed his parents. His
[32:34] family says he's no terrorist and that
[32:36] he's living in Morocco. But
[32:38] investigators say captured al-Qaeda
[32:39] operatives have told them that Shukr
[32:42] Juma would be central to the planning
[32:43] for any further terrorist attacks
[32:45] against Americans either here or
[32:47] overseas. There's also some intelligence
[32:49] that he's a pilot, but the FBI tonight
[32:51] says it's still trying to verify that
[32:53] stone.
[32:56] >> 15,000 Iraqis living in this country. Is
[33:00] this on a voluntary basis, Pete? Yes, it
[33:03] is very much so voluntary in the sense
[33:05] that no one has to talk to the FBI. The
[33:07] FBI justifies this publicly by saying
[33:09] they want to make sure there are no hate
[33:10] crimes against any Iraqis here. But
[33:12] nonetheless, it's clear they're very
[33:14] interested in hearing from Iraqis about
[33:16] anything unusual they may see in the
[33:18] Arab community, anything they may hear
[33:19] at home from relatives still in Iraq
[33:22] about potential threats against the US.
[33:24] There have been some protests about this
[33:26] civil liberties group saying it's not
[33:27] really voluntary when the FBI comes
[33:29] knocking at the door, but the FBI
[33:31] believes it really has no choice and has
[33:33] started to do this very explicitly
[33:35] because of the combat in Iraq.
[33:37] >> And a closed door hearing on Capitol
[33:39] Hill today on how to protect commercial
[33:41] airliners from terrorists using those
[33:43] shoulder fired missiles. A growing
[33:45] concern, isn't it?
[33:46] >> Very much so about that threat,
[33:48] especially to US airliners that operate
[33:50] not so much domestically but overseas.
[33:53] Now, at that hearing, the Transportation
[33:55] Security Administration said there are
[33:56] no credible threats involving shoulder
[33:59] fired missiles. Nothing specific that
[34:01] they know of, but nonetheless, as you
[34:03] say, some members of Congress are very
[34:05] worried that these weapons are
[34:06] widespread around the world, and they
[34:08] want Congress to help airlines that fly
[34:10] overseas develop some kind of defenses,
[34:13] some kind of counter measures that would
[34:14] help limit the effectiveness of these
[34:16] missile stones.
[34:17] >> Pete Williams tonight from Washington.
[34:18] Thanks, Pete.
[34:19] >> Yes, sir. As US troops moved into Iraq
[34:22] today, a kind of security umbrella was
[34:24] opening over the h homeront from coast
[34:26] to coast. In Arizona, National Guard
[34:29] troops were sent to the nation's biggest
[34:31] commercial nuclear power plant following
[34:33] an apparent threat there. Maybe you've
[34:35] noticed increased security where you
[34:36] live. But nowhere was it more apparent,
[34:39] and many say more essential than here in
[34:41] New York. Chris Hansen is here with that
[34:43] story. Chris
[34:46] >> terminal. As you can see, it's a very
[34:49] busy place. And the mood was rather
[34:51] jittery today as the millions of people
[34:54] who depend on subways and trains to get
[34:57] in and out of and around New York City
[35:00] went on their way. But you need to know
[35:03] a couple of things. They're taking a lot
[35:04] of precautions today. And even though
[35:06] we've known for a long time that in fact
[35:09] the terrorist threat potential in New
[35:11] York's transit system is high, they are
[35:13] putting a number of very heavyduty
[35:16] security measures in place.
[35:20] If the lifeblood of New York City is its
[35:23] mass transit system, this is its heart,
[35:27] the majestic Grand Central Terminal. And
[35:30] tonight, as explosions are heard in
[35:32] Baghdad, it is also considered a prime
[35:35] terrorist target.
[35:38] It's a major hub in a massive system
[35:40] that moves 7 million people around this
[35:42] city every day and nearly a million more
[35:45] on commuter trains connecting the city
[35:47] and the suburbs. Today, signs of the
[35:50] heightened wartime alert were
[35:51] everywhere. Vehicle searches on the
[35:54] outside, bomb sniffing dogs and national
[35:56] guardsmen on the inside, and longtime
[35:59] transit workers suddenly had pouches
[36:02] containing gas masks strapped to their
[36:04] bodies.
[36:05] >> What has a world come to where you have
[36:06] to carry a gas mask with you just to
[36:08] work in Grand Central Terminal here in
[36:10] New York?
[36:10] >> It's crazy, but that's the sign of the
[36:12] times. Officials are so concerned about
[36:15] mass transit being a target that the
[36:17] governors of New York, Connecticut, and
[36:19] New Jersey made an unprecedented
[36:21] announcement that they had agreed to let
[36:23] each other's law enforcement officers
[36:25] operate in all three states in order to
[36:28] protect commuters.
[36:29] >> We are working to upgrade security
[36:31] across our state and in particular today
[36:34] we're focusing on mass transit
[36:36] >> and so are the police who are
[36:38] responsible for the majority of New York
[36:40] subways. This is a hub of activity for
[36:44] people who have to come and go through
[36:46] New York City.
[36:48] >> New York City Police Chief Bill Calhoun
[36:50] is responsible for making sure the
[36:52] millions who ride the subways have a
[36:54] safe trip. One of the busiest subway
[36:57] lines in town runs in and out of Grand
[36:59] Central.
[37:00] >> You see bomb sniffing dogs. You see New
[37:02] York police officers, National
[37:04] Guardsmen. What's the purpose of all
[37:06] that? Why is that so important?
[37:08] >> Definition of your question. You see
[37:10] them. Let me also tell you, there are
[37:12] some things you don't see,
[37:14] >> like undercover officers riding on the
[37:16] subways. Sensors that Calhoun says can
[37:19] detect a chemical, biological, or
[37:22] radioactive attack placed throughout the
[37:24] 700 m of subway track. There's also
[37:27] surveillance at 31 entrances where
[37:30] subway tunnels go under rivers. At each
[37:33] one of those portals, I have assigned
[37:35] officers constantly, 24 hours, 7 days a
[37:39] week.
[37:40] >> For commuters, it's all part of the new
[37:43] reality molded by 9/11, hardened by war.
[37:47] >> I'm not particularly anxious.
[37:48] >> You don't think there's much of a risk
[37:50] for you to to take mass transport?
[37:51] >> Um, I think there's just as much risk as
[37:53] I get hit by a truck.
[37:54] >> It makes me a little more anxious,
[37:56] actually.
[37:56] >> Really?
[37:57] >> Yeah.
[37:57] >> Why so?
[37:58] >> Well, maybe they know more than they're
[37:59] letting on. Maybe the threat is more
[38:01] real than they're willing to share with
[38:02] us.
[38:03] >> What can you say that will make people
[38:06] comfortable taking the mass transit
[38:09] system you're in charge of protecting?
[38:12] >> I got here by train. What can I tell
[38:14] you? There's a man who practices what he
[38:17] preaches. Just to give you a sense of
[38:18] how busy this building gets on any given
[38:21] day, 700,000 people will pass through
[38:24] this building. And just to give you an
[38:26] idea of just how tight security is, we
[38:28] saw a police officer today on a thirdf
[38:31] flooror catwalk with a bomb sniffing
[38:33] dog. An unusual sight in cautious times.
[38:36] Stone Chris Hansen tonight at the
[38:38] terminal that never sleeps and the city
[38:40] that never sleeps. Grand Central
[38:41] Station. Thanks, Chris. Protest, prayer,
[38:44] however they choose to express
[38:46] themselves. It's clear the events in
[38:48] Iraq are giving Americans plenty to
[38:50] ponder. So, what's the mood of the
[38:52] country on this second day of war? Maria
[38:54] Shrivever has been taking the pulse of
[38:56] the nation.
[38:58] >> The nation may be on high alert, but
[39:01] most Americans are trying to go about
[39:02] their normal lives while still
[39:04] expressing the wide variety of opinions
[39:07] that have always characterized this
[39:09] nation.
[39:12] Across the country, the headlines were
[39:14] the same. In Chicago, in Atlanta, and
[39:18] Charlotte, North Carolina, the war had
[39:20] begun. But Americans dealt with that
[39:23] news in very different ways. At the New
[39:26] York Stock Exchange, a moment of silence
[39:29] to start the day. But then it was
[39:31] business as usual. Upbeat, in fact, as
[39:33] the markets ended the day higher.
[39:37] In San Francisco's financial district,
[39:39] anti-war protesters linked themselves
[39:41] with metal pipes and blocked the
[39:43] streets. 500 people were arrested.
[39:46] Demonstrators also lined the streets in
[39:48] Tampa, Florida.
[39:52] while students at more than 30 high
[39:54] schools throughout Minnesota walked out
[39:56] of classes to voice opposition to the
[39:59] war.
[40:02] >> Despite the protest polls show a
[40:03] majority of Americans support the war,
[40:06] about 2,000 people rallied behind the
[40:08] government in Jackson, Mississippi.
[40:11] But perhaps no one supports the war more
[40:13] than the people in the central
[40:15] California town of Siribad.
[40:18] It is home to a large Iraqi exile
[40:20] community.
[40:21] >> I'm very happy and u because we this is
[40:24] the moment we've been waiting for.
[40:25] >> Janet Schumann runs a small television
[40:28] station operated by the Iraqi exiles.
[40:30] They have been broadcasting war news
[40:32] nonstop since the first bombs fell. Both
[40:35] in their native Arabic
[40:38] and in English. George Bush.
[40:41] Congratulations. This is the moment that
[40:43] the Iraqi people finally will be free
[40:45] and they can live u freely in our
[40:50] homeland.
[40:50] >> But just down the road in Modesto, the
[40:52] war brought out different emotions. A
[40:55] chain of French dry cleaners actually
[40:57] owned by a Lebanese American was shot at
[40:59] and set on fire. But for most Americans,
[41:03] the day has not been filled with protest
[41:05] or anger or fear. Life has just gone
[41:08] forward as always. In Las Vegas, casinos
[41:12] report their rooms are full and golf
[41:14] courses are booked. The NCAA college
[41:17] basketball tournament in Arizona went
[41:20] on. The stands were filled and people
[41:22] tuned in.
[41:24] In Sacramento, more than a hundred
[41:26] people lined up to get bobblehead dolls
[41:29] of their favorite local sports heroes.
[41:32] In Pittsburgh, life moved on in a big
[41:34] way. Aaron Ross and her husband Joe gave
[41:37] birth to sectuplets, six babies.
[41:40] >> Um, I was able to watch them, you know,
[41:44] be delivered. It's amazing.
[41:46] >> If we change our lives here, if we stop
[41:49] living normally, if we stop being free
[41:51] and able to go about our business, then
[41:53] they succeed.
[41:55] >> Barry Glasner is a professor of
[41:56] sociology and author of the bestseller,
[41:59] The Culture of Fear.
[42:00] >> People I've talked to say they feel
[42:02] conflicted. They don't want to look
[42:04] frivolous like they're out having a
[42:06] great time going to a game or going to a
[42:09] movie or going to a dance or a party
[42:11] when people are dying and their families
[42:13] are in turmoil.
[42:14] >> We really don't contribute anything to
[42:16] the government's effort or to the war
[42:18] effort or if we're on the other side to
[42:20] the peace effort simply by sitting
[42:22] around um and doing nothing and
[42:24] canceling our normal activities. Experts
[42:26] say keeping an eye on both the war and
[42:29] everyday life is crucial to keeping your
[42:32] anxiety low and your pulse down.
[42:36] Thanks, Maria. And tonight in Chicago,
[42:39] police on foot and on horseback faced
[42:41] thousands of protesters in one of the
[42:43] largest anti-war demonstrations the
[42:45] nation has seen in years. The
[42:47] demonstrators swarmed onto Lakeshore
[42:49] Drive, one of the city's main arteries,
[42:52] shutting down the street at the height
[42:53] of rush hour.
[42:55] That's it from here, Tom. Back to you.
[42:57] >> Thanks very much, Stone Phillips. Now,
[43:00] let's go back to NBC's David Bloom, who
[43:02] is moving with the Third Infantry. You
[43:04] can see him there. He's deep in Iraq, or
[43:07] at least as deep as any other American
[43:09] unit. Where are you at this point,
[43:10] David? Can you give us a general idea?
[43:13] >> Uh, we're in southern Iraq, Tom, and
[43:15] that's about all we're permitted to say.
[43:18] Uh, I understand that there's some video
[43:20] tape though that we fed in with the last
[43:22] several minutes which will show you what
[43:24] it's been like for us these past several
[43:27] hours. You recour hours. You recall that
[43:29] near the top of the broadcast I
[43:31] described that we left from the Kuwaiti
[43:35] side of the border around 8:30 local
[43:37] time around 12:30 in the afternoon New
[43:40] York time. But that was preceded by
[43:42] about a half hour of artillery shelling
[43:45] on two Iraqi observation posts. They
[43:48] were trying to destroy those observation
[43:50] posts and the 30 or so Iraqi soldiers
[43:54] who were inside those each of those
[43:56] observation posts because they wanted to
[43:58] make sure that they could not relay
[44:00] information back to Baghdad as to the
[44:03] precise location of this large movement
[44:06] by the US Army's Third Infantry
[44:08] Division. That was followed by us moving
[44:10] into Iraq. We crossed the Kuwaiti burm,
[44:13] which is about a 30 foot high wall of
[44:15] sand that had been cut through. Then we
[44:18] cut through electrical fences and then
[44:20] we were onto the Iraqi side through a a
[44:22] burm on the Iraqi side which is also
[44:24] about 30 ft high. I can't tell Tom
[44:26] exactly what video you're seeing right
[44:28] now, obviously. But in addition to that,
[44:30] we went through minefields and we also
[44:32] went through unexloited ordinance from
[44:35] the first Persian Gulf War. And what you
[44:38] may see are these orange or yellow or
[44:40] green lights which allow us to make a
[44:43] track through there safely that the
[44:45] scouts had laid down so that these
[44:47] vehicles which were the first vehicles
[44:49] to go through could move through safely.
[44:52] So Tom, right now we're into southern
[44:54] Iraq. We're with the, as I say, the
[44:56] second brigade, the Spartan Brigade of
[44:58] the US Army's Third Infantry Division.
[45:01] We're also with what's called the 315
[45:03] infantry which are mostly the Bradley's
[45:05] and the tank platoon as well carrying
[45:08] infantrymen who are out ahead leading
[45:10] the charge if you will for the other
[45:13] larger mechanized units to follow on
[45:16] Tom.
[45:17] >> All right, thanks very much David Bloom.
[45:19] We're going to go to Carrie Sanders the
[45:21] first we've heard from him as well. He's
[45:23] with the second battalion eighth
[45:25] Marines. I think I've got the units
[45:26] right. Carrie, where are you and what
[45:28] can you tell us? Tom.
[45:30] >> Well, I can tell you that we're just
[45:31] south of David. We can't give too much
[45:33] specific information because of the
[45:35] sensitive nature of it, but we had a
[45:36] tremendous light show here last night.
[45:38] Lieutenant Colonel Royal Mortonson with
[45:40] the 28 is here with me. First of all,
[45:42] that light show we saw last night, we're
[45:44] going to look at some pictures of this.
[45:45] What was that?
[45:46] >> Um, it appeared to us to be um um MLRS
[45:50] or ATACMS. Uh obviously fires going
[45:54] emanating from this area going towards
[45:56] the north.
[45:57] >> And we didn't see any return fire at
[45:59] all.
[46:00] >> Uh not that we could see either. I mean
[46:01] the Marines were dug in around here. Uh
[46:03] dug in last night. We didn't see
[46:05] anything coming back this way at all.
[46:06] Just saw a lot of outgoing.
[46:08] >> Now as the Marines were here last night
[46:10] and dug in, as you say, uh they're
[46:12] waking up now as the sun is just getting
[46:14] up. What is in the mind of a Marine
[46:17] right now?
[46:18] Well, uh, they might not have gotten
[46:20] much sleep last night. Uh, even though
[46:22] they may have been tired, uh, that light
[46:24] show was a first for most of them. Um,
[46:27] and I'm sure it energized some of their
[46:29] thoughts about what, uh, what may lie
[46:30] ahead. Um, they're making mental
[46:33] preparations for what they know to be
[46:36] potentially be uh, be combat operations,
[46:39] if you will. And, uh, each one of them
[46:41] will handle individually and and on
[46:42] their own their own personal way.
[46:44] >> You gave them sort of a pep a pep talk
[46:46] yesterday. Uh what was the highlight?
[46:49] The thing that stuck in my mind is what
[46:50] you told them about uh you make a
[46:53] decision and stick with your decision if
[46:54] you feel threatened.
[46:56] >> Basically what I'm trying to I always
[46:57] try to drive home with him is that uh
[47:00] they're professionals. Um and a
[47:02] professional uh while he has the option
[47:04] of uh of um shooting he he makes that
[47:07] decision with um um experience and
[47:12] knowledge. But I I try to impress upon
[47:14] them that I won't second guess them.
[47:16] That uh it's a tough decision for anyone
[47:18] to make. A 1920 20-y old 22-y old Marine
[47:21] when he makes that decision to shoot. Um
[47:23] it's based on the information he has at
[47:25] the moment. And it's important for them
[47:26] to know that that their chain of command
[47:28] and and and the military in general in
[47:29] their country will support them in that
[47:31] decision and not second guess them. Uh
[47:33] they'll have tough decisions out there.
[47:34] There's going to be non-combatants.
[47:35] There's going to be enemy. There's going
[47:36] to be friendlies. Uh it's uh you know
[47:40] night day tough decisions.
[47:42] >> Okay. One thing I wanted to point out
[47:43] here Tom as you can see the lieutenant
[47:45] colonel is in what they call mop gear.
[47:47] In fact we'll be asked to get into this
[47:48] shortly. There's sort of a deadline
[47:49] approaching and that is this gear here.
[47:52] And that mop gear is designed as a
[47:53] chemical protection suit.
[47:54] >> Yes it is. It's a charcoal lined and uh
[47:57] protects you against chemical and
[47:59] biological uh agents if you will. And uh
[48:01] as you moved yesterday uh on your
[48:04] journey, there were at least three uh
[48:06] three warnings as it were, three alerts
[48:08] to put the gas masks on, is there just
[48:10] sort of a hair trigger right now or was
[48:12] there a real good reason to think there
[48:13] may be a gas or biological agent in the
[48:14] area?
[48:15] >> Well, anytime there's a a report um of a
[48:18] potential scud of a Scud launch or what
[48:20] may have been a potential Scud launch,
[48:21] it's just precautionary measures to
[48:23] quickly go into gas mass even when
[48:24] you're on the move. Um, and you're
[48:26] right, when we were we were moving to
[48:28] these positions. Yesterday, we did get a
[48:29] few reports. Uh, and it's it's
[48:31] precautionary. The Marines are used to
[48:32] doing it, so it uh I mean, they even do
[48:34] it while they're drive while they're
[48:35] moving down the road. Happens very
[48:37] quickly. Um, hair trigger. I don't know.
[48:39] I think it's just better to be safe than
[48:41] sorry.
[48:41] >> Absolutely. Well, we certainly put our
[48:43] gas masks on without any question at
[48:45] all. I can tell you though when we put
[48:46] our masks on, unlike the Marines who've
[48:48] had a lot of training at this, uh it
[48:50] gets particularly hot and if you haven't
[48:51] spent a whole lot of time in those
[48:53] masks, uh and uh it really takes a
[48:56] little bit out of you as the day
[48:57] progresses. Uh one thing I wanted to
[48:59] point out is just a short uh well I
[49:02] can't really reveal that. Um what I can
[49:04] say is that we do know that there has
[49:06] been a uh battle reported for the Ramala
[49:09] oil fields and uh we also know that uh
[49:13] hiding in amongst the scrapyards from
[49:16] the old Gulf War 12 years ago, there
[49:18] have been some T72 tanks that have been
[49:20] spotted and at least one has been taken
[49:23] out, but uh the Iraqi military has
[49:26] apparently hidden some of their forces
[49:28] in those scrapyards. Tom. All right,
[49:30] thanks very much, Carrie Sanders, who's
[49:32] uh with the Eighth Marines, and it looks
[49:33] like they're getting ready to move into
[49:35] some fairly serious territory. And we're
[49:37] joined now by retired Army General Monty
[49:39] Migs, who 12 years ago was in a very
[49:42] similar situation. He was in the Army,
[49:44] not the Marines at the time. He was
[49:45] leading an armored brigade across the
[49:48] desert at that time. Uh we've been
[49:50] talking a lot about what happened in
[49:52] Baghdad in the last 24 hours. How
[49:54] critical are the attacks in Baghdad to
[49:58] these young Marines who are moving up
[49:59] and the guys with the first rather with
[50:01] the third infantry division that David
[50:03] Bloom has been reporting on?
[50:04] >> Okay, Tom, we'll go into downtown
[50:06] Baghdad and show you some potential
[50:08] targets and then extrapolate it back.
[50:10] We're going to be in the western part of
[50:12] the city where Peter Arnett was telling
[50:14] us last night there were a bunch of
[50:15] targets hit. And the targets we're going
[50:17] to show are are nominal. We don't know
[50:20] for sure that these were ones, but these
[50:21] are all having to do with the Republican
[50:24] Guard and the intelligence system. You
[50:26] take those out, you deny the enemy his
[50:28] eyes to some extent, he's losing some of
[50:31] his command and control. And while it
[50:33] doesn't have an immediate impact for
[50:34] those Marines and troopers in the Martin
[50:37] division, it does have an impact as they
[50:39] come closer and closer to Baghdad. And
[50:41] of course, this is part of the shock and
[50:42] awe idea of tearing down the enemy's
[50:44] will by destroying his command and
[50:45] control structure. So, what happens next
[50:48] for the guys down south as they're
[50:50] moving up. They're hearing about bomb
[50:52] damage assessment about what's happened
[50:53] there in Baghdad.
[50:54] >> Probably not. Uh, they're pretty well
[50:56] occupied at this time, and we'll go down
[50:58] here into the south and, uh, and give
[51:00] you a glimpse of that. They're pretty
[51:01] much focused on what they're doing. You
[51:03] can see that the the they're moving out
[51:05] into these general areas nominally, and
[51:08] David Bloom gave us a really good uh
[51:10] report here when he said they moved out
[51:12] at 12:30. we can calculate basically
[51:14] they've had about 8 hours of running
[51:16] time and so they're not along the border
[51:19] anymore. They're out in this general
[51:21] area. Interestingly enough, the port
[51:23] about Al Raya oil field, we're going to
[51:26] slip here to a picture of the last
[51:28] battle that occurred at Almaya Royal
[51:30] Field and when David gets out farther,
[51:32] perhaps he'll run into one of these uh
[51:34] tank battles and you'll get a chance to
[51:37] see what it looks like. It's a It's a
[51:39] pretty uh spectacular event. And uh this
[51:43] is what you get to see. These uh
[51:45] vehicles were taken out at uh anywhere
[51:48] between 4,000 and 2,000 uh meters. And
[51:51] that is actually about 500 meters south
[51:54] of the location that you heard on the on
[51:56] the air. Tom,
[51:58] >> uh very briefly, a lot of concern in
[51:59] Israel obviously about whether or not
[52:01] they'll come under attack that he'll try
[52:03] to ferment something in the wider Arab
[52:05] world. How secure is Israel tonight? Uh,
[52:07] I think they're pretty secure. If we go
[52:09] out here to the western desert, you can
[52:11] see the problem. Saddam Hussein has to
[52:14] put his Scuds in this general area if
[52:16] he's going to range over here to Israel.
[52:19] And you can bet that there's people on
[52:22] the ground looking for those Scuds,
[52:23] satellites paying attention to it.
[52:25] You've got UAVs up looking for them, and
[52:28] you've got fighters ready to take them
[52:29] out the minute they're seen.
[52:30] >> All right. Thanks very much, retired
[52:32] General Monty Migs, who as I say was
[52:34] leading an armored brigade across the
[52:37] desert 12 years ago. Let's go to the
[52:39] White House now. Uh NBC's Campbell
[52:41] Brown. It's been a very busy there. What
[52:42] can we expect overnight and tomorrow,
[52:45] Campbell?
[52:46] >> Well, Tom, I'll tell you the mood here
[52:47] this evening has gone from being
[52:49] cautiously pleased with the way things
[52:51] were going to a little more restrained
[52:53] with the news of the helicopter crash
[52:55] tonight and what appears to be the first
[52:56] American casualties. The president is in
[52:59] the residence this evening. He is
[53:01] getting evening phone calls with the
[53:03] latest developments, military
[53:04] developments from Secretary of Defense
[53:06] Donald Rumsfeld and then speaking with
[53:08] his national security adviser, who's
[53:11] really the closest to him personally uh
[53:13] to get the final update before he goes
[53:15] to bed at night. Uh we are not expecting
[53:18] him to have anything on his public
[53:20] schedule tomorrow. But he does have a
[53:22] meeting with congressional leaders and
[53:23] given the developments I wouldn't be
[53:25] surprised if he had some words tomorrow
[53:26] for uh the families of those soldiers.
[53:29] Administration officials I'll tell you
[53:30] also tonight are confirming what Jim
[53:32] Mccloeki has been reporting for much of
[53:34] the evening that there are conversations
[53:36] going on with some of the Iraqi
[53:38] leadership uh possibly surrender talks.
[53:41] Uh not a lot of more detail from the
[53:44] administration though. One official
[53:45] telling me tonight there is nothing we
[53:47] would love more than to win this without
[53:49] a massive fight. So for now, they're
[53:51] keeping the president's schedule fairly
[53:53] flexible, though we do know he will
[53:54] leave the White House tomorrow and go to
[53:56] Camp David for the weekend. Tom.
[53:59] >> All right, thanks very much, Campbell
[54:00] Brown, who's at the White House tonight.
[54:02] The reference she made was to a seite, a
[54:05] marine helicopter that went down. All 16
[54:08] people on board were killed. I think it
[54:10] was within the borders of Kuwait when it
[54:12] did go down. Uh that's a a visual uh
[54:16] look at the Seahawk and it has all the
[54:20] dimensions for it as well. It's a
[54:22] transport helicopter for the Marines.
[54:25] The Chinook is used by the Army and
[54:27] other services, but that's a very
[54:29] popular helicopter. Tragic accident
[54:31] tonight. 16 people dead. It may be a
[54:33] half a world away, but this war is
[54:35] reaching into the heart and heartland
[54:38] tonight. During the course of the war,
[54:39] NBC News is focusing on one small
[54:41] community where everyone knows someone
[54:44] whose life has been changed by this
[54:46] conflict. For them, there really is no
[54:48] other topic of conversation. Ed Magnus
[54:51] now in our town, Ashland, Alabama.
[55:09] Now with more and the president
[55:16] >> the Turkey parliament will allow US
[55:18] military to use Turkeykey's airspace for
[55:20] the war with Iraq close call the
[55:22] American side of night
[55:25] >> and his thought
[55:26] >> one minute you're playing in a sandbox
[55:28] next minute they're over there in a big
[55:29] sandbox you know
[55:31] >> Leon's son Brandon is 19 and a marine
[55:34] the first marine in his family stationed
[55:36] with the purple foxes in Kuwait.
[55:38] >> You know, I love my son and we've always
[55:45] we got to understand it.
[55:47] >> The first bombs have fallen as the
[55:49] United States wages war in
[55:51] >> and all day long they piled into
[55:53] Little's Exxon to fill up on gas,
[55:55] coffee, and the latest from Baghdad.
[55:58] >> Josh Nelson works for the water
[56:00] department.
[56:01] >> I hope all our boys will be safe, but
[56:05] I'm thankful we got a president to stand
[56:06] up and do what he says.
[56:09] >> That sentiment is widespread here. The
[56:11] area is very promilitary. It has the
[56:14] highest percentage of National Guard
[56:16] volunteers in the country. Anyone who's
[56:19] not already there may be called up soon.
[56:21] The
[56:21] >> United States is the only superpower
[56:24] left with the policemen of the world.
[56:27] >> If you got a problem with that, you got
[56:28] a bad problem. But believe it or not,
[56:31] even here there are those who don't
[56:33] share the hardline view. Ashlin's lone
[56:36] Democratic judge, Johnny Rochester, is
[56:39] not afraid to disagree.
[56:40] >> I think I'm the yellow dog foaming at
[56:42] the mouth.
[56:44] >> He just does it when they're not around.
[56:46] >> I think at this point in time, you don't
[56:47] question anything. You say, "Here we
[56:50] are. Uh, the president's made his
[56:52] decision." And at the National Guard
[56:54] Armory, a group as keenly interested as
[56:57] anybody in the minute-by-minute
[56:59] developments overseas.
[57:01] >> These are the folks whose National Guard
[57:03] unit is on high alert and may get the
[57:06] word to pick up and go anytime.
[57:08] >> How many of you watched President Bush
[57:10] last night on television?
[57:11] >> There may not have been a television in
[57:13] the schools, but the children were very
[57:16] tuned in to today's events. The second
[57:18] graders in Lisa McNat's class, she's the
[57:21] mayor's wife, were worried.
[57:23] >> What if some of Iraq's troops kind of
[57:25] like come over here and try to like bomb
[57:28] some of the houses or like shoot some of
[57:31] the missiles and stuff like that?
[57:33] >> Well, that's why not all of our troops
[57:35] are over there. We still have a lot
[57:36] here.
[57:41] >> In the first grade, the kids rallied
[57:43] around seven-year-old Hannah Smith.
[57:46] Hannah's father, Ashlin's Chief Deputy
[57:48] Sheriff, Jamie Smith, is in a National
[57:51] Guard unit that's already overseas.
[58:01] >> That's Edie Magnus in Ashlin, Alabama.
[58:04] We're going to go by phone now to Dexter
[58:06] Filkins of the New York Times, who's
[58:08] moving into Iraq with a unit of British
[58:11] tanks. Uh Dexter Filkins, what have you
[58:13] been seeing today?
[58:16] Well, uh, as you noted, we're with a
[58:18] bunch of a bunch of tanks, uh, moving
[58:20] into Iraq and, uh, the bombardment is,
[58:24] uh, continuing here and, uh, uh, there's
[58:26] been Apache helicopters, uh, in the sky
[58:29] and there's been troops moving across,
[58:31] uh, and I think they're they're all
[58:32] headed in the direction of Basra. U,
[58:35] >> you saw last night a show that even
[58:38] shocked you, even though you're a
[58:39] veteran of Afghanistan. Has any of that
[58:41] been repeated in the daylight hours?
[58:45] Well, I it just continued uh through
[58:47] through the nighttime here. I'm I was
[58:49] amazed. Um I mean, even as late, it's
[58:52] it's going on right now and it's just
[58:55] continued intermittently uh for hours.
[58:57] Um you know, the the the range of the
[59:00] guns um most of these guns isn't more
[59:02] than 20 or 25 miles. And so, um it it
[59:06] makes you wonder what they're shooting
[59:07] at. Uh but but they sure are laying down
[59:10] quite a barrage even now. All right,
[59:12] Dexter Falcon, thanks very much for
[59:13] checking in. We hope that uh we can stay
[59:15] in touch with you during the course of
[59:17] the next couple of days or so because it
[59:19] sounds like everything is moving north
[59:21] fairly swiftly, fairly swiftly at this
[59:24] hour. A reminder, so much of what is
[59:27] going on is what we cannot see or cannot
[59:30] hear. That's military action and
[59:33] possibly negotiation going on between
[59:35] the highest levels of this government
[59:37] and some officers of the Republican
[59:40] Guard. And where is Saddam Hussein and
[59:43] his sons tonight? The leadership. It's
[59:45] dawn of a new day in Baghdad. Is it just
[59:49] one more day or is it the dawn of a new
[59:52] era? That's all for this edition of
[59:54] Deline for late developments in this
[59:56] fast-pacing story. MSNBC on cable
[59:59] and.com.
[60:00] I'm Tom Brokoff. Good night for all of
[60:02] us, including Stone Phillips here at
[60:04] Date Line and NBC News.
[60:08] Tonight,
[60:13] there's a lot happening in the Middle
[60:15] East and Middle Tennessee.
[60:17] When he pointed the gun at me, I
[60:19] screamed as loud.