The O'Reilly Factor (FNC) - 2006-11-21 - 2 of 2

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[0:00] He sets up a late night apology for

[0:02] Kramer. But will the wacky racist rant

[0:05] continue to haunt the Seinfield brand?

[0:06] And some new information on the alleged

[0:08] Britney Spears sex tape. You want to

[0:11] come back for that. I'll see you in a

[0:13] minute.

[0:25] From America's newsroom, I'm Paige

[0:26] Hopkins. Iraq and Syria resuming

[0:28] diplomatic ties broken almost 25 years

[0:31] ago. Fox News national security

[0:33] correspondent Katherine Herage reports.

[0:36] The foreign ministers of Syria and Iraq

[0:39] formally agreeing to reestablish full

[0:41] diplomatic ties. That's significant

[0:43] because they were cut back in 1982 when

[0:45] Syria backed its Shiite ally Iran in its

[0:48] war with Iraq. now a senior State

[0:50] Department official accusing those old

[0:52] allies Iran and Syria of aiding Shiite

[0:54] militias that are targeting and killing

[0:56] Sunnis, Americans and Britain in Iraq.

[0:59] >> The challenge really is to the

[1:00] leadership in Tehran and Damascus to

[1:02] demonstrate that they have good faith

[1:03] here. It's not just to remark about

[1:05] meetings is to see some substantive

[1:08] change, policy change on the ground.

[1:09] That's what everyone's looking for. The

[1:11] Bush administration routinely portrays

[1:13] the Iranian president Mammud Ahmed and

[1:15] the Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad as

[1:17] close allies. US officials say they want

[1:20] to see action, not words out of Syria

[1:22] right now, especially along the poorest

[1:24] border that separates it from Iraq. And

[1:26] the White House has confirmed a meeting

[1:28] next week in Aman, Jordan, between the

[1:30] president and the prime minister of

[1:31] Iraq, Nuriel Maliki. The US wants the

[1:34] Iraqi security forces to take on more

[1:36] responsibility more quickly. in

[1:38] Washington. Katherine Herage, Fox News.

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[4:26] >> Thanks for staying with us. I'm John

[4:28] Kasich in the night for Bill O'Reilly.

[4:29] And in the Factor follow-up segment

[4:31] tonight, the shocking video of comedian

[4:33] Michael Richards has all of America

[4:36] talking. During a standup routine, he

[4:38] used the N-word several times and said

[4:40] all sorts of just crazy things. But his

[4:44] rambling apology last night on Letterman

[4:46] may not have helped the situation.

[4:48] I'm I'm really busted up over this and

[4:50] I'm I'm I'm very very sorry uh to those

[4:54] uh people in the audience

[4:56] uh the blacks, the Hispanics, whites,

[4:58] everyone that was there that took the

[5:00] brunt of that anger and and and and hate

[5:04] and rage and and how it came through and

[5:06] there's a great deal of disturbance in

[5:08] this country and how blacks feel about

[5:10] what happened in Katrina. And you know,

[5:13] many of the comics, many performers are

[5:16] in Las Vegas and New Orleans, uh, trying

[5:20] to raise money for what happened there.

[5:23] And,

[5:25] uh, for this to happen, for me to be in

[5:27] a comedy club and flip out and say this

[5:30] crap, you know, I'm I'm deeply deeply

[5:33] sorry. Well, joining us now from Los

[5:35] Angeles, Michael Lavine, a celebrity

[5:37] media expert. And here in the studio,

[5:39] Jill Dobson and editor at Star Magazine.

[5:42] Michael, what what is this all about?

[5:44] Where's this rant come from? Is this a

[5:46] frustration? He's not uh successful

[5:49] anymore. And when you take a look at his

[5:51] mistake here, compare it to somebody

[5:53] like a Mel Gibson.

[5:55] Well, John, I I've represented

[5:59] so many major comedians, celebrity

[6:02] comedians throughout the years, over the

[6:04] last 25 years. I've never seen anything

[6:05] like this in my life. Every single one

[6:07] of them, from Joan Rivers to Rodney

[6:09] Dangerfield, from Sam Kenison to Andrew

[6:11] Dice Clay, all of them have dealt with

[6:15] any number of hecklers in an audience

[6:17] and never exploded like that. So this is

[6:19] really I mean without precedent that I I

[6:22] know of in 25 years as it relates Mel

[6:24] Gibson I mean Mel Gibson was drunk.

[6:26] >> Yeah.

[6:27] >> You know this is uh

[6:28] >> Michael this seem and just in just

[6:30] watching that it it I I feel maybe he's

[6:33] just having some real problems.

[6:36] >> Well I'm not a psychologist. I don't

[6:38] know but I can

[6:39] >> I'm not either. But you know it doesn't

[6:40] take a psychologist to look at a guy

[6:42] that seems to be uh you know almost

[6:44] wrecking his bicycle. Your your take,

[6:46] Jill, on this? uh he definitely seems to

[6:49] have a lot of problems and I think

[6:51] comedian George Lopez put it best when

[6:52] he said this guy had no reason to be on

[6:54] stage doing standup. Standup is an art

[6:56] form that comes with a two drink minimum

[7:00] for most audience members. So you have

[7:01] to realize the audience has probably

[7:03] been drinking. You have to be ready to

[7:05] deal with hecklers or people not

[7:07] laughing at your jokes. And you

[7:08] shouldn't just go be at a big place like

[7:10] the laugh factory. You should start at

[7:11] some sort.

[7:12] >> I think it might be he's struggling that

[7:13] that he can't seem to find anything post

[7:16] Seinfeld and maybe that's what caused

[7:18] the rant. How damaging is this, Jill?

[7:20] >> Incredibly damaging. Incredibly. Not

[7:22] only did he make this in huge mistake,

[7:25] but he hasn't addressed it properly in

[7:27] the following days. He should have made

[7:28] a statement as is customary that

[7:31] apologized for what he said. Jerry

[7:32] Seinfeld, on the other hand, has handled

[7:34] this perfectly in my mind. He made a

[7:36] statement right away because we all

[7:37] thought, hm, I wonder what Jerry

[7:38] Seinfeld has to say about this. His

[7:40] statement was eloquent. He attacked what

[7:43] Michael said but supported Michael at

[7:45] the same time. Michael, on the other

[7:46] hand, decides to address this on

[7:48] Letterman where audience members kind of

[7:50] think maybe it's a joke. They're kind of

[7:52] laughing. He should have gone on

[7:53] something like Oprah where

[7:54] >> Well, but but Michael, this was uh this

[7:56] was Seinfeld that set this up. I mean,

[7:58] ironically, Seinfeld's going on

[8:00] Letterman to promote the seven seasons

[8:03] of Seinfeld, and he invites this guy on

[8:06] so that, you know, maybe he can come up

[8:08] with an apology. Uh, first of all, did

[8:11] the apology work? And secondly, uh, you

[8:14] know, what what's Seinfeld doing this

[8:16] for?

[8:17] >> Well, look, as apologies go, I thought

[8:18] it was a very sincere one. I'm not sure

[8:21] I agree with Jill. I think that the

[8:22] overriding idea was to get your message

[8:25] out quickly, get it out with personal

[8:27] responsibility, humility, and

[8:28] contrition. I think a ser a more serious

[8:31] format, as Jill suggested, would have

[8:33] been preferable, but not when viewed

[8:35] against the need to go quickly. The

[8:38] rules are you got to go fast and you got

[8:40] to be contricious and humble and act

[8:42] with.

[8:42] >> Why Seinfeld so active in this? Is he

[8:44] trying to protect the brand?

[8:46] >> Oh, I I think you know consciously or

[8:48] subconsciously he is. I mean this was a

[8:50] this was a Chernobyl like uh catastrophe

[8:53] for for not only for Michael but al for

[8:56] the show. I mean for that for that

[8:58] lasting image. It's anyone who's seen

[9:00] that video I don't think can ever wash

[9:02] away even though the apology I thought

[9:04] was was was generally a good one. I

[9:06] don't know if he'd ever wash away that.

[9:08] >> How How about you, Joe? In terms of in

[9:10] terms of Seinfeld himself, and I'm not

[9:11] going to say he doesn't feel for his

[9:13] friend. That might be what his

[9:14] motivation is. But this really could

[9:16] damage the brand of Seinfeld, couldn't

[9:19] it?

[9:19] >> Oh, very much so. Those reruns are on

[9:21] every day, and I watch them all the

[9:22] time, and one of my first thoughts was,

[9:24] "Oh, now I'm going to feel bad when I

[9:25] watch Seinfeld because I don't want to

[9:27] do anything to support this guy who has

[9:29] these feelings and would say these

[9:30] things to someone." And so, by Jerry

[9:32] coming out and saying, "This isn't okay.

[9:34] I agree with him." It kind of gives all

[9:36] of us license to watch Seinfeld and feel

[9:38] okay.

[9:38] >> Any chance for this guy to come back?

[9:41] >> He hasn't come back after being on such

[9:42] a hit show and now he's damaged his

[9:44] reputation. I don't think we're going to

[9:45] see much more of him.

[9:46] >> All right. Now, let me let me go to my

[9:49] Britney Spears, right? I mean, this is I

[9:52] I have, you know, very young kids and

[9:54] I'm always happy I don't have to explain

[9:55] this stuff to them.

[9:57] >> U is the sex tape now, is that the way

[9:59] you you operate in Hollywood? I mean, we

[10:01] know one star, big star, Paris Hilton

[10:04] sex tape, you know, to the moon. Is this

[10:06] the new modus operandi? You talk about a

[10:09] sex. I mean, what are these people

[10:10] thinking?

[10:11] >> I don't know. I don't know. Hopefully,

[10:12] we won't see any more of these.

[10:14] Hopefully, people will learn the lesson.

[10:15] Now, Britney has said that the sex is,

[10:18] right? And now, reportedly, she and

[10:20] Kevin are coming together to issue a

[10:21] joint statement saying there's not a sex

[10:23] tape. On the other hand, one of

[10:24] Britney's friends says there's a tape

[10:26] and Britney's going to be the one to

[10:27] release it so that Kevin can't make a

[10:29] dime off it. So, uh, last question,

[10:31] Michael. Is Britney I mean, is she

[10:33] tarnished

[10:35] >> for good?

[10:36] >> No, no. I think that that leaving Kevin

[10:38] Federline is actually a career move

[10:41] forward that might be very liberating.

[10:43] You know, people people like soap operas

[10:46] and they like to see their princesses

[10:48] redeemed.

[10:48] >> Well, I'll tell you, she's she's gone a

[10:50] long way from being a princess and a

[10:53] long way from being the kind of a woman

[10:54] that young kids could admire.

[10:56] >> She's going to bounce back.

[10:57] >> Well, we'll see. Thank you both very

[10:59] much. And the brand new Bill

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[14:32] In the factor flashback segment tonight,

[14:34] Kevin Barrett is an instructor at the

[14:36] University of Wisconsin. He's come under

[14:37] some fire for accusing the US of

[14:40] attacking itself on 9/11, but now the

[14:43] plot thickens. Barrett has made his own

[14:45] book required reading. It compares

[14:47] President Bush to Hitler, and that has a

[14:50] lot of folks, including me, very angry.

[14:52] O'Reilly spoke with a Wisconsin student

[14:54] recently. Now, why would you take a

[14:57] course from a guy who basically is

[14:59] putting forth a preposterous scenario

[15:02] and uh making statements that he can't

[15:04] back up with facts? Why would you take

[15:06] the guy's course?

[15:08] >> Well, to be fair, when we signed up for

[15:10] the course, we didn't know who was going

[15:11] to be teaching it or really anything

[15:13] about it other than the description.

[15:14] >> But you had a chance to drop it. You

[15:16] know, all courses, all kids can drop

[15:17] whatever course you want. I've been a I

[15:19] know the drill.

[15:20] >> I didn't want to drop it.

[15:21] >> I wanted to learn about his opinions.

[15:23] And

[15:23] >> why? They're backed up by nothing.

[15:25] They're backed up by nothing. Yeah. I

[15:27] mean, why don't you just go take a

[15:28] course by the Rajnish Barouch someplace?

[15:31] I mean, come on. Don't you want to learn

[15:33] from somebody who has facts backing up

[15:35] what he says?

[15:37] >> He does have facts backing up his

[15:39] beliefs on Islam and that is what the

[15:40] course is about. The course is not about

[15:42] 9/11. The course is about Islam and he's

[15:44] taught us very well about that.

[15:45] >> All right. Now, let me challenge you on

[15:47] that, Miss Cesler. You are going to be

[15:48] required to read a book that he is an

[15:50] essay in. And this is what he says.

[15:52] Quote, "Like Bush and the neocons,

[15:54] Hitler and the Nazis inaugurated their

[15:56] new era by destroying an architectural

[15:58] monument and blaming its destruction on

[16:00] their designated enemies." Unquote. Do

[16:03] you know what monument he's talking

[16:04] about, Miss Cesler?

[16:07] >> Couldn't tell you.

[16:08] >> Okay. It's the rich dog fire. That's

[16:10] what he's talking about. And he is

[16:12] basically putting forth to you a person

[16:14] with no historical background because

[16:16] you couldn't answer my very it's it's

[16:18] not an easy question by the way what I

[16:20] just asked you but it's a question that

[16:21] if you knew history you would know you

[16:24] can't answer that question madam and

[16:25] what I'm submitting to you is that you

[16:27] are a young woman sincere who's now ins

[16:30] snared in this class and you don't have

[16:31] the background to know whether this

[16:33] man's lying to you or not. Am I wrong?

[16:36] >> The book that you're speaking of that

[16:38] he's requiring us to read his article is

[16:40] in that book. We are not required to

[16:42] read his article that you're quoting

[16:43] from. There are three other articles

[16:45] from that book that we're going to be

[16:47] reading. His is not one of them.

[16:48] >> Okay. But what I'm trying to tell you is

[16:50] this guy could sell you a a rainbow and

[16:52] you would buy it because you don't have

[16:54] the frame of reference to know what he's

[16:56] talking about.

[16:57] >> Bill,

[16:58] >> it's not a matter of being gullible.

[16:59] It's a matter of know what you're

[17:00] talking about. This man is saying that

[17:02] 911 uh was uh orchestrated by President

[17:06] Bush just like Hitler orchestrated to

[17:08] Rich Dofire so that Bush could take

[17:10] power. There is not one shred of

[17:13] evidence, Miss Cesler, to back that

[17:15] insane assertion up. You are sitting

[17:18] there, your parents, I guess, are paying

[17:20] tuition for you to sit there in front of

[17:22] a mad man. He's a mad man. And that is

[17:25] what disturbs

[17:26] >> I don't have to be a mad man. I know you

[17:28] don't, but you're not qualified,

[17:30] >> with all due respect, because you don't

[17:32] know the facts of history to make the

[17:34] assessment.

[17:36] >> I'm not just going to take whatever he

[17:39] says as fact. That's what this class is

[17:40] about. That's what all university

[17:42] courses are about. Taking them and

[17:44] deciding what you think about what the

[17:45] professor says that's controversial.

[17:47] >> I am shocked that the University of

[17:49] Wisconsin is allowing this man to teach

[17:52] when he has the things he has said are

[17:54] so crazy. It's frightening. And I'm

[17:57] sorry I was a little tough on you, Miss

[17:58] Hustler. I didn't mean to be, but I I

[18:00] had to ask those questions and I had to

[18:02] show the audience, you know, what your

[18:04] frame of reference is. And you read

[18:05] about the rich dog fire. Read about all

[18:08] this stuff and you'll come to the same

[18:09] conclusion that I have. Let's go ahead.

[18:11] A new book claims an al Qaeda operative

[18:14] infiltrated the FBI and the CIA and

[18:17] helped plan 911. What's that about? The

[18:20] author enters the no spin zone next.

[18:37] No matter where you are, I will be

[18:40] alone.

[18:45] Fly me away.

[18:53] Eyes in the sky.

[18:56] See you again.

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[21:32] In the back of the book segment tonight,

[21:33] unbelievable claims that an al-Qaeda

[21:35] agent with close ties to some big-time

[21:37] terror leaders was able to infiltrate

[21:40] our intelligence community and

[21:41] simultaneously help plan 9/11. The claim

[21:44] is made by investigative reporter Peter

[21:46] Lance in his new book, Triplecross: How

[21:48] Bin Lad's Master Spy Penetrated the CIA,

[21:51] the Green Beret, and the FBI. Mr. Lance

[21:53] joins us now. Okay, who is this guy Ali

[21:56] Muhammad? Who is he? He was a stone

[21:58] Egyptian army commando from the unit

[22:00] that killed Sedat. He infiltrated the

[22:02] CIA in 1984 in Hamburg. Was cut loose.

[22:05] He then came to America, seduced an

[22:07] American woman on the plane, married her

[22:09] at Reno 6 weeks later, enlisted in the

[22:11] US Army, ended up at Fort Bragg at the

[22:13] John F. Kennedy warfare school for two

[22:14] years while he came up and trained the

[22:16] cell responsible for the World Trade

[22:18] Center bombing, the murder of Meer

[22:19] Kahani, the day of terror plot. He then

[22:21] basically moved Bin Laden in and out of

[22:23] Afghanistan. He planned the African

[22:25] embassy bombings. He's the zeal of

[22:27] terror, this guy. And he had been an FBI

[22:29] informant since 1992, a year before the

[22:32] World Trade Center bombing that he

[22:33] trained. And I prove in this book that

[22:35] the Southern District, the best and the

[22:36] brightest, Andrew McCarthy, Patrick

[22:38] Fitzgerald, basically let this guy eat

[22:40] their lunch for years.

[22:41] >> All right. Now, we went to McCarthy

[22:43] today and asked him for a statement.

[22:44] We'll have this put up on the screen if

[22:46] we could. It says, "This is scurlessly

[22:48] presented. Everything he said we were

[22:49] hiding about Ali Muhammad was presented

[22:51] in open court. is represented in the

[22:53] book in a wildly disingenuous way,

[22:55] relying on convicted terrorists and

[22:57] convicted murderers as sources. Clearly,

[23:00] Mr. McCarthy doesn't like your book. How

[23:02] do you respond?

[23:02] >> Well, it's because Andrew McCarthy uh

[23:04] there's evidence in the book that he

[23:05] actually encouraged Ali Muhammad to

[23:07] ignore a federal subpoena in the Day of

[23:09] Terror case. And that's a desparable

[23:11] offense. Why would he do it? Because Ali

[23:13] Muhammad would have been an incredible

[23:14] witness for the defense. He didn't want

[23:15] him to testify. He met physically with

[23:17] Ali Muhammad in California. He was an

[23:19] unindicted co-conspirator in the same

[23:21] case. And uh basically Ali didn't show

[23:24] up and Andrew McCarthy encouraged a

[23:25] missing witness admonition to the judge

[23:27] at the end of the trial.

[23:28] >> Look, you are saying that this guy was a

[23:31] asset and an agent for the CIA, that he

[23:34] had connections to the FBI, that he was

[23:36] down at Fort Bragg at a highly secretive

[23:38] operation down there. At the same time,

[23:41] he's talking to Bin Laden and training

[23:43] people in New York and teaching them how

[23:45] to use AK-47 in the Hamptons.

[23:47] Absolutely. So, why do you think that

[23:49] people would say Peter's a little bit

[23:52] loony?

[23:53] >> Well, John, why don't you take the time

[23:54] to read the book? You just got it. I

[23:56] handed it to you before the program, and

[23:57] I look forward to you reading the book.

[23:59] Going to peterlance.com, my website.

[24:01] Look at there's a 32page timeline in the

[24:03] middle of the book. It's got 50 pages of

[24:05] notes.

[24:06] >> What kind of all the docu It's got

[24:08] documentary evidence here to for

[24:10] classified docu declassified documents

[24:12] from the CIA, the FBI. The entire book

[24:15] is laid out. You know, I would not have

[24:17] made a charge against Patrick Fitzgerald

[24:18] or Andrew McCarthy, nor would my

[24:20] publisher, Harper Collins, a subsidiary

[24:22] of New News Corp, if we couldn't back it

[24:24] up. And I welcome Patrick Fitzgerald or

[24:26] Andy McCarthy to have the guts to come

[24:28] here and sit across from me with

[24:29] O'Reilly and and and tell me why I'm

[24:31] wrong.

[24:31] >> Where is uh where is Ali Muhammad now?

[24:34] >> He's in some form of custodial witness

[24:36] protection, I believe, in the New York

[24:37] area, but I don't know. He's got seals

[24:39] upon seals upon seals in his case. He's

[24:41] the enigma in the war on terror. And the

[24:44] reason they have him buried, John, is

[24:45] because if he ever gets on trial,

[24:47] defense attorneys will peel back the

[24:49] layers of incompetence and prove that

[24:51] the Justice Department was basically

[24:53] outflanked for 14 years on the road to

[24:55] 911.

[24:56] >> Is it possible, Peter, that you know in

[24:58] those in those years even though some

[25:00] people were blowing whistles and saying

[25:02] we have a problem uh that most people

[25:05] had never heard of al Qaeda? Most people

[25:07] had never really taken international

[25:09] terror terrorism seriously at that

[25:11] point. So they had other priorities at

[25:13] the time. Not that that's right, but you

[25:15] know, they got to establish priorities.

[25:17] Is that what happened here?

[25:18] >> In the beginning in ' 8990, you could

[25:19] make that case. But by 93, he told his

[25:22] FBI informant, John, in 93 told John

[25:24] Zent on the West Coast, I love Bin

[25:26] Laden. Uh, no, basically said, "I'm

[25:28] working for Bin Laden. I'm working for

[25:29] al-Qaeda. I'm training guys in Sudan."

[25:31] He mentioned al-Qaeda in 1993. Patrick

[25:34] Fitzgerald got the case in 96. By then,

[25:36] he should have known.

[25:37] >> All right. Look, it's a big thick book.

[25:38] I'll try to get through it. Thanks for

[25:40] coming on. All right, John. Thank you.

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