ABC News - Iraq War - 2003-03-20 - 7 p.m. (E)

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[0:00] This is ABC News continuing live

[0:01] coverage of the war with Iraq.

[0:12] I'm Peter Jennings at ABC News

[0:14] headquarters in New York. You are seeing

[0:16] what would normally be for some parts of

[0:18] the country ABC's World News Tonight,

[0:20] but as you can tell, our coverage has

[0:22] been continuing for many hours and will

[0:24] continue for many hours more. But just

[0:27] to begin this particular period at 7:00

[0:30] Eastern time, um 4:00 in the Pacific

[0:34] time zone, a brief review of the day's

[0:37] developments and the US war against

[0:40] Iraq. As of now, US and British forces

[0:42] launched a new round of cruise missile

[0:44] attacks at government facilities in

[0:47] Baghdad. They were launched both from

[0:49] the Persian Gulf and from the Red Sea,

[0:52] both by ships and by submarines, both by

[0:55] the American forces and by the British

[0:58] forces as well. And then US-led forces

[1:01] in Kuwait launched a ground assault

[1:03] against Iraq. We've most recently heard

[1:05] that the Third Infantry Division has

[1:06] begun to move within the last few

[1:08] moments. There are or last few minutes

[1:11] anyway. And there are reports denied by

[1:13] Iraq and not confirmed by US command

[1:16] that the Iraqi port town of Um Kaser

[1:19] which is just below Basra on your map

[1:21] there has been captured. That's the FA

[1:23] Peninsula as they call it there. That is

[1:24] Iraq's only access to the sea. US

[1:28] artillery units we do know from Kuwait

[1:30] and on the line of departure as it's

[1:32] called fired on Iraqi positions during

[1:34] this initial assault and we are told

[1:36] from our reporters in the field there

[1:38] was reportedly not much opposition. The

[1:41] US is still updating and trying to

[1:43] assess the damage it caused from last

[1:45] night's cruise missile attacks on

[1:48] Baghdad. Mostly cruise missile, but

[1:50] F-17s used in the early attack against

[1:53] the leadership compound. Um they're

[1:56] clearly going after the Iraqi

[1:58] leadership, including one hoped, Saddam

[2:00] Hussein. It's unclear if any of the

[2:03] leaders were killed. Saddam Hussein

[2:05] appears to have shown up on Iraqi

[2:08] television subsequently and most of the

[2:10] intelligent agencies who have been

[2:12] analyzing his picture on television have

[2:14] decided that it was him. Iraq says that

[2:17] one person died in the attack. We are

[2:19] getting some footage out of Baghdad now

[2:23] from two of the Arab news agencies, one

[2:25] belonging to Saudi Arabia and one based

[2:28] in Qatar, which shows that there were

[2:30] people who were reportedly wounded in

[2:32] these attacks taken to the local

[2:33] hospitals, but we have no sense of

[2:36] numbers now, whether they are civilians

[2:38] or not. And this morning, uh, as you've

[2:41] heard perhaps a couple of times, Iraq

[2:43] fired several missiles into Kuwait. They

[2:45] were not Scud missiles as earlier

[2:47] reported. The US says that two of them

[2:49] were knocked down by the US Patriot

[2:51] missiles, the mobile anti-missile

[2:54] missile batteries which move with US

[2:56] troops as they go forward in some cases.

[2:58] One landed near a military camp in

[3:00] Kuwait, and nobody has been injured in

[3:03] that. And there were a couple of

[3:04] helicopters down, US helicopters down,

[3:06] but there were no injuries in either

[3:08] case. In one case, the helicopter was

[3:11] repaired and went on its mission again.

[3:13] In the other case, it was destroyed by

[3:15] US forces and that was in the western

[3:17] desert. Now to the White House to the

[3:20] day at the White House and our White

[3:22] House correspondent, Terry Moran. Terry,

[3:24] >> Peter, there's been a lot of activity

[3:26] here and a sense of exhilaration among a

[3:29] lot of the people you talked to. One

[3:31] official said there's a huge sense of

[3:33] relief now that the waiting is over and

[3:36] at least the very initial stages of the

[3:38] war seem to be progressing. The

[3:40] president having launched this war is

[3:43] now pressing it forward in a determined

[3:45] and deliberate fashion on the military

[3:48] front, on the diplomatic front, and on

[3:50] the financial front. The

[3:52] commander-in-chief meeting with his

[3:53] cabinet on day one of the war praised

[3:56] the troops now facing danger on his

[3:58] orders.

[3:59] >> There's no question we've set the finest

[4:00] of our citizens in the harm's way. They

[4:03] perform with great skill and great

[4:06] bravery.

[4:08] We thank them. We thank their loved

[4:10] ones. We appreciate their sacrifice.

[4:13] >> And the president, who was cool and tur

[4:15] during the brief session with reporters,

[4:17] sought to reassure the American public.

[4:19] >> This cabinet is confident about the

[4:22] future of our country. We're confident

[4:24] we can achieve our objectives.

[4:27] I'm grateful for their service to their

[4:28] country.

[4:29] >> Earlier, first thing this morning, the

[4:31] president's war council gathered at the

[4:33] White House. The number one item on

[4:35] their agenda, assessing the strike

[4:37] launched last night aimed at Saddam

[4:39] Hussein. Administration officials at

[4:41] first had high hopes the missiles had

[4:43] hit their targets, but later tamped down

[4:45] that speculation.

[4:47] With US troops now engaged alongside

[4:50] British and Australian forces, but

[4:52] without the combat support of any other

[4:54] nation, the White House sought to send a

[4:56] very public message about how broad the

[4:58] president's 40nation ad hoc coalition of

[5:01] the willing is. All told, the population

[5:04] of the coalition of the willing is

[5:06] approximately 1.18 billion people around

[5:09] the world. The coalition countries have

[5:11] a combined GDP

[5:13] of approximately 21.7 trillion.

[5:17] Every major race, religion, and ethnic

[5:19] group in the world is represented.

[5:21] >> The president also launched a diplomatic

[5:23] war today, asking 68 countries around

[5:26] the world to expel Iraqi diplomats and

[5:28] cease dealing with the current regime.

[5:30] and the administration sought to

[5:32] dismantle Saddam's government by

[5:33] ordering the seizure of $1.4 billion

[5:36] dollars in Iraqi assets frozen after the

[5:39] first Gulf War.

[5:40] >> We are today directing a worldwide hunt

[5:46] for the blood money that Saddam Hussein

[5:50] and his associates have stolen from the

[5:55] Iraqi people.

[5:57] The bottom line, the US government is

[5:59] now in complete control of that $1.4

[6:02] billion dollar in frozen US assets, and

[6:05] it will be used by General Tommy Franks

[6:07] and his team to rebuild Iraq when the

[6:09] Americans take over the country. And one

[6:11] more item, Peter, on the humanitarian

[6:14] front, the administration is also

[6:15] moving. They're releasing 600 million

[6:17] tons of grain from an emergency grain

[6:19] reserve in order to address what is

[6:21] expected to be a very serious

[6:23] humanitarian emergency. Many thanks

[6:25] Terry Moran at the White House in the

[6:27] White House press office this evening.

[6:28] Now let's go back to this uh to this

[6:31] invasion from the south. Uh there's a

[6:33] dispatch from the British a short while

[6:34] ago which says among other things the

[6:37] seventh parachute regiment, the Royal

[6:38] Horse Artillery crossed the border a

[6:40] couple of hours ago headed for the oil

[6:43] refineries near Basra. And the reporter

[6:45] who is embedded with them and is is u is

[6:48] is apparently getting information said

[6:50] that they believe in that unit that the

[6:52] invasion was brought forward because of

[6:54] a threat from the Iraqis to do damage in

[6:57] the oil fields. This is Ramaya field

[6:59] that we've been talking about which is

[7:01] quite near Basra in the eastern part of

[7:02] the country and where there may be fires

[7:05] underway in the oil field at the moment.

[7:08] But the lightweight guns of the Marines

[7:10] were called forward according to this

[7:11] report by the US. They believe it's the

[7:14] start of the ground campaign and much

[7:16] farther ahead than it was meant to be.

[7:18] This was all supposed to be happening.

[7:20] They their reporting says on Saturday,

[7:23] but they had heard today that Saddam

[7:24] Hussein had probably set fire to the oil

[7:26] refineries at Raila just the other side

[7:29] of the border. And the primary objective

[7:31] of this British component of the

[7:34] coalition forces, which are basically

[7:35] the British and the Americans, was to

[7:38] take a hold of those refineries there so

[7:41] they could not be damaged in any last

[7:44] minute bid to

[7:46] to somehow defend uh himself against the

[7:50] US attack. Uh our military consultant,

[7:53] our permanent one, Tony Cordisman, can

[7:55] answer some questions about this. Tony,

[7:56] just if you wouldn't mind giving us in

[7:58] four-letter words what we think may be

[7:59] going on at the moment.

[8:02] >> Well, Peter, I think it is fairly clear

[8:04] that we're watching the beginning of a

[8:06] major land invasion and probably with it

[8:09] the kind of air campaign we've heard. It

[8:11] may not be beginning now. It may wait

[8:13] till it's dark inside Iraq again, but if

[8:17] we look at the map, we can see where our

[8:19] divisions are. Some of them are moving

[8:22] north into the area of Basra, but the

[8:24] main line of advance is probably headed

[8:27] up here. Now, although this looks like

[8:29] there are a lot of Iraqi forces, in

[8:32] fact, these are all lowgrade regular

[8:35] divisions. And indeed, in even as we

[8:38] move north, we may go very quickly

[8:41] either to the west of the rivers or up

[8:43] through the main lines there. We don't

[8:45] hit the Republican guards till we get

[8:48] into this area here. So the next day

[8:51] could have some very very quick advances

[8:54] at least in the south.

[8:55] >> So Tony, turn away from your map there

[8:57] for just a second and just and just talk

[8:59] to me for a second. So what's it like uh

[9:01] on the border with this huge force of

[9:03] Americans being told a to get up and get

[9:06] moving. We know the Marine Expeditionary

[9:08] Force moved and now the infantry

[9:09] divisions. How difficult is that? What

[9:12] is it? What does it involve? Do they

[9:13] move like a snail or do they move

[9:15] faster?

[9:16] >> I think they're going to move very

[9:17] quickly. They have to move at the rate

[9:20] really dictated by some of the slowest

[9:22] vehicles, but that today is sometimes 20

[9:26] to 30 m an hour in unopposed territory.

[9:30] There are not water barriers until they

[9:33] move further north crossing the border.

[9:35] There are some terrain problems, some

[9:38] low hills, potentially some light Iraqi

[9:41] resistance. I think the real problem for

[9:43] many people is going to be the fear that

[9:46] this is the time Iraq might use chemical

[9:49] weapons. They're concentrated. There are

[9:51] good targets. If Iraq has those weapons

[9:54] forward, it either has to use them or

[9:57] lose them as we advance. Now, there was

[9:59] one piece of reporting from the front

[10:01] earlier today that they'd been going

[10:02] after an Iraqi position on, as you point

[10:04] out, the sort of the one hill just

[10:06] across the border, uh, which had been

[10:08] used as a spotting position in the east

[10:10] where the Marines were going forward.

[10:12] There are some land obstacles, if not

[10:14] hugely significant. How do forces deal

[10:16] with them?

[10:18] >> Well, at least initially, they may be

[10:20] able to seize the bridges. There's one

[10:22] major bridging exercise till you get

[10:25] into the road junctions around there.

[10:27] But the fact is Peter that until they go

[10:31] into the area around Basra which is

[10:34] filled with canals and water barriers or

[10:37] they have to go north and east of Basra.

[10:41] There are relatively limited numbers of

[10:43] bridging problems, a limited number of

[10:46] choke points.

[10:47] >> Why is Omaser important there on the

[10:49] Shatal Arab on that one waterway?

[10:52] Well, there is one water crossing there.

[10:54] Um, is also important, however, as is FA

[10:59] because when we look at the economic

[11:01] impact of this war, part of the fear we

[11:04] see is tankers, other ships being

[11:07] unwilling to move until they know there

[11:09] won't be mines, there won't be problems

[11:12] with oil spills, there won't be

[11:14] anti-hship missiles. So when we can

[11:16] secure the coast, secure these oil

[11:19] areas, then I think the world markets

[11:22] are going to be a great deal more

[11:23] reassured than perhaps they are right

[11:25] now.

[11:26] >> Yes, it's very interesting. you're going

[11:27] to take us uh thank you very much Tony

[11:30] uh for for bringing us up and you and

[11:31] you bring us to a very important issue

[11:34] now uh which is the economy of this

[11:36] today because I heard it said ABC's

[11:38] Betsy Stark our business correspondent

[11:39] today that the stock market and the oil

[11:43] market today were just absolutely

[11:44] responding bang bang bang bang bang to

[11:46] the headlines right

[11:47] >> hostage to the headlines Peter in both

[11:49] cases I mean and and wild girrations in

[11:52] each I mean let's talk first about uh

[11:54] the oil market if you want reports early

[11:56] this morning that some those Iraqi oil

[11:58] wells might be on fire uh sent oil

[12:00] prices higher and uh that was the worst

[12:04] fear of traders that there might be

[12:06] Saddam might set uh those oil fields on

[12:09] fire there might be a disruption of oil

[12:10] supplies and it wasn't until there was

[12:12] no confirmation of those reports and

[12:15] there was a sense that if it was true

[12:17] there were only four wells burning that

[12:19] would be fairly limited damage we heard

[12:21] today from the Saudis who reassured us

[12:23] that they would be willing to make up

[12:24] for any loss of production and the

[12:26] energy secretary said if we have to we

[12:28] will tap the strategic petroleum reserve

[12:30] that settled the oil markets.

[12:32] >> Would you like to go on with your

[12:32] economics report in general now?

[12:35] >> Absolutely. Um the cost of this war is

[12:37] an economic issue. It's an issue of

[12:39] national priorities and it's a political

[12:41] issue. The Bush administration so far

[12:43] has refused to say what it thinks the

[12:45] war will cost, but the bill started

[12:47] mounting long before the fighting began.

[12:52] Getting the military's high-tech arsenal

[12:54] halfway around the world along with

[12:56] 250,000 troops has been a roughly $13

[13:00] billion undertaking.

[13:01] >> This is more armored vehicles than I've

[13:03] ever seen, more vehicles than I've

[13:05] probably ever seen in one place.

[13:06] >> And the monthly cost of maintaining this

[13:08] force is expected to be around 9

[13:10] billion.

[13:12] A lot of the costs are very kind of

[13:14] mundane costs like bringing in food, uh

[13:16] building laundry facilities for troops

[13:18] in the region, uh paying uh combat pay

[13:20] for military personnel, activating the

[13:22] reserves,

[13:24] >> everything that will be used in this war

[13:26] has been bought and paid for already.

[13:28] From the $55 bullets and million dollar

[13:31] cruise missiles

[13:33] to the $4 billion aircraft carriers and

[13:36] the $50 million jets on board.

[13:40] But what taxpayers may not realize is

[13:42] that many things will have to be paid

[13:44] for again.

[13:45] >> One of the costs of the war will be

[13:46] replacing uh equipment we lose in combat

[13:49] or an accidents.

[13:51] >> How expensive the fighting part of the

[13:53] war is depends on the intensity of

[13:55] battle and how long it lasts. The

[13:57] estimates range from $18 billion for a

[14:00] one-mon war to $85 billion for a

[14:03] six-month war. Sound expensive? It's

[14:06] probably the cheap part. What makes this

[14:08] war potentially expensive is the number

[14:11] of years that we might be in occupation.

[14:13] >> Securing the peace in Iraq is expected

[14:15] to cost far more than waging the war.

[14:18] It's a process likely to require

[14:20] thousands of American troops and up to a

[14:23] decade of reconstruction and

[14:24] humanitarian aid.

[14:26] >> We're talking about as much as $50

[14:27] billion a year for 10 years. Well, you

[14:30] can see that gets very expensive and

[14:31] dwarfs dramatically the cost of the

[14:34] combat phase. Some wonder if the nation

[14:36] can afford this war and everything else

[14:38] on the president's agenda.

[14:40] >> We can afford a war. We can afford

[14:42] domestic programs. We can afford tax

[14:45] cuts. The problem is we probably can't

[14:47] afford them all at once.

[14:50] >> Whatever this war costs, and remember

[14:52] this time the United States is defending

[14:53] itself on the home front, too. It will

[14:55] add to a $250 billion deficit. And this

[14:59] time, Peter, of course, there are no

[15:00] allies promising to foot part of the

[15:02] bill. There will be an effort I think

[15:03] from the Bush administration to get this

[15:05] international community of the willing

[15:06] now to participate in in in the

[15:08] reconstruction. When you talk to traders

[15:10] and dealers and whatnot on on the street

[15:12] in the last couple days, what do they

[15:13] think about a short war, longer war, and

[15:16] a long war?

[15:17] >> Well, they're clearly betting on a very

[15:18] short and very successful war, which is

[15:20] why you saw the Dow up 800 points uh in

[15:23] the past week. And while oil prices have

[15:26] come down from almost $40 a barrel to

[15:29] $28 a barrel. So, uh, the market's

[15:31] getting ahead of itself here. Uh, but

[15:34] that's what that's what they're counting

[15:35] on at the moment.

[15:36] >> The oil market generally is one of the

[15:38] most explosive markets and emotional

[15:39] markets in the world, isn't it?

[15:41] >> Absolutely. I mean, and the stock

[15:42] market, too. And war fears have uh had

[15:45] been driving stock prices down, oil

[15:46] prices up. Now, these sort of, you know,

[15:49] this hopeful sense that it will be it'll

[15:51] be short, it'll be a quick decisive

[15:52] victory is what's calmed the markets.

[15:55] But, uh, markets react to extremes on

[15:57] either side. I think that's part of what

[15:59] we're seeing now. Clearly they're

[16:00] getting ahead of themselves.

[16:00] >> Will you lead me right into the stock

[16:02] market? Thank you very much indeed for

[16:03] this. Betsy Stark on Wall Street today.

[16:04] The markets did indeed as Betsy said

[16:06] move up and down with the with the news

[16:08] from Iraq and by the end of trading some

[16:10] investors took the ground offensive by

[16:12] the US as an indication that war with

[16:14] Iraq will be shorter as Betsy said

[16:16] rather than longer. And the Dow Jones

[16:18] Industrial Average was at the end of the

[16:19] day up 21 points to close at 82.86.

[16:23] On the NASDAQ stocks gained more than

[16:26] five points. Um we have been getting uh

[16:30] some video in from Baghdad at the moment

[16:32] from both Al Arabia which is a new

[16:34] television cable

[16:37] satellite network in the Middle East

[16:39] funded in Saudi Arabia and now you have

[16:42] two Alabia from Saudi Arabia and Al

[16:44] Jazzer uh which is owned by the Qataris

[16:47] where central command is located. Uh we

[16:49] cannot tell you what these pictures

[16:51] represent except some poor child has

[16:53] been hurt. We do not know how, but they

[16:55] are reporting tonight that 37 people

[16:57] have been injured uh in the course of

[17:00] attacks on Baghdad today. And that is

[17:03] all we can tell you. It's a little out

[17:05] of context, but there it is. But Richard

[17:07] Engel is in Baghdad again, and this is

[17:10] his compilation of the last few hours

[17:12] there.

[17:15] >> Peter, the air raid sirens signal that

[17:17] for the second night in a row, Baghdad

[17:19] came under attack by cruise missiles.

[17:22] This time it was more intense. The

[17:24] targets were mainly government ministry

[17:26] buildings, including one associated with

[17:28] the interior ministry. After the first

[17:31] night of bombing, Saddam Hussein or

[17:33] someone who looks just like him,

[17:34] appeared on uh the Iraqi television and

[17:37] delivered a message to uh of support,

[17:40] calling on the Arab world and Muslim

[17:42] world to rally behind Iraq and support

[17:44] what he called their jihad against the

[17:47] evil little Bush, to use his uh his

[17:50] terminology. Then there was a tour

[17:52] organized by the uh government

[17:54] information ministry uh taken to

[17:56] hospitals shown people who are

[17:58] reportedly injured in the uh the latest

[18:01] uh series of bombing raids. The streets

[18:04] of Baghdad are quiet in general. There

[18:07] are sandbags and there are more and more

[18:09] soldiers on the streets. People do

[18:11] however go out during the day and uh try

[18:14] and do whatever shopping they need to

[18:16] do. Now that very few stores are open.

[18:18] Most Iraqis are are calm. they they

[18:21] they've been living under war for a long

[18:23] time and uh it doesn't seem that uh this

[18:26] says these bombing raids although they

[18:28] have a psychological effect on a lot of

[18:29] people who aren't used to it. I think

[18:31] for the Iraqis so far they seem to be

[18:33] quite calm about the whole thing. Peter

[18:35] >> calm so far anyway. Thank you very much

[18:37] Richard Engel in Baghdad again where it

[18:39] is now 20 minutes after 3 uh in the

[18:43] morning. Let's return to this question

[18:44] of homeland security here. We talked a

[18:46] little earlier to Pierre Thomas about

[18:48] the be on the lookout for a man who they

[18:51] were very interested in having a handle

[18:54] on today because there may be some

[18:56] connections with al-Qaeda but for law

[18:58] enforcement generally with this campaign

[19:01] beginning. It has been a very busy day

[19:02] all across the country. We go back to

[19:04] Washington and Pierre Thomas. Pierre

[19:06] >> Peter, it's been a very intense day and

[19:08] tonight the FBI is racing to find any

[19:10] hint of an attack by al-Qaeda or agents

[19:14] of Saddam Hussein.

[19:16] The FBI today issued an all points

[19:18] bulletin for this man, Adnan Alshuk

[19:21] Reima. Sources tell ABC News the FBI

[19:24] suspects he is an al-Qaeda member who

[19:26] may be planning an attack against the

[19:28] US. He is described by law enforcement

[19:30] sources as a pilot and an al-Qaeda field

[19:33] commander who has lived in Saudi Arabia.

[19:35] Sources tell ABC News the government

[19:37] believes Shuk Rejima was trained in

[19:40] Afghanistan under 9/11 planner Ramsay

[19:42] Al-Beed. The FBI has no idea where Shook

[19:46] Reimma is, but believes he may have

[19:48] lived in South Florida near some of the

[19:50] 9/11 hijackers. Today, FBI Director

[19:53] Robert Mueller said every lead is being

[19:55] run down and announced an interview

[19:57] campaign, which sources tell ABC News

[19:59] will target 15,000 Iraqis living in the

[20:02] US in less than 3 weeks. Some will be

[20:05] detained on immigration violations. Many

[20:07] US Iraqis say they fled Saddam Hussein's

[20:10] oppression and are perplexed about why

[20:12] the FBI wants to interview them.

[20:15] >> We are the ones who are working day and

[20:17] night very hard to topple the regime of

[20:19] Saddam Hussein.

[20:20] >> The FBI interviews are voluntary and are

[20:23] supposed to be non-confrontational.

[20:25] But some administration officials admit

[20:27] the campaign is meant to have a chilling

[20:29] effect on any possible terrorist plan.

[20:32] It is all part of an orchestrated

[20:34] national shore of force. Part of the

[20:36] most intense security since the 9/11

[20:38] attacks. Increased protection at nuclear

[20:41] power plants, including the nation's

[20:43] largest facility in Palo Verde, New

[20:45] Mexico. In Los Angeles, stepped up

[20:47] scrutiny at water treatment plants. In

[20:50] New York City, expanded patrols by

[20:52] heavily armed police.

[20:53] >> We've been out here way before midnight.

[20:55] We stopped about 70 cars so far. And

[20:58] today, 700 National Guard and State

[21:00] Police deployed to protect trains and

[21:02] subways serving New York, Connecticut,

[21:05] and New Jersey.

[21:06] >> It's a message to terrorists that we're

[21:09] not going to let you do it. And it's

[21:11] also a message to all of the rest of us

[21:13] to say, "We're there. You can depend on

[21:15] us."

[21:17] >> The show of force is to compensate for

[21:18] the fact that the FBI has few, if any,

[21:21] specifics to go on. Peter

[21:23] >> Pierre, almost every time there's an FBI

[21:25] warning like this to all the police

[21:26] departments and the first responders

[21:28] across the country, they feel additional

[21:29] pressure and they feel resource poorer.

[21:32] Is that too much of a that too strong a

[21:34] generalization?

[21:35] >> You're exactly right, Peter. The FBI and

[21:38] law enforcement around the country, they

[21:39] have to expend tremendous resources to

[21:41] run down these leads, and they have not

[21:43] got the money they say they need from

[21:45] the federal government, but they say the

[21:47] work still has to go on. Now, you look

[21:48] at this on a day-to-day basis, and we

[21:50] talk on a day-to-day basis about the ups

[21:52] and downs of what they're hearing and

[21:53] the chatter and everything else. Do you

[21:56] detect a a deepening intensity now that

[21:58] this campaign is beginning than there

[22:00] was, say, a week ago?

[22:02] >> Well, I talked with a very senior FBI

[22:04] official the other week, and he said

[22:06] that when the war started that that was

[22:08] the time when he would be most

[22:10] concerned. They're particularly

[22:12] concerned about al-Qaeda, also agents of

[22:14] Sodom Hussein, but also lone wolves,

[22:16] individuals who might attack just

[22:18] because of anger by the war.

[22:20] >> At at the same time, Peter, I think a

[22:22] lot of layman, myself included, say,

[22:23] gosh, terrorists, wherever they operate,

[22:25] always hit when we least expect it, not

[22:28] when we most expect it.

[22:30] >> That's right. But Peter, the FBI and law

[22:32] enforcement officials say they're not in

[22:34] a position to take any chances. And one

[22:36] official said, "Look, the terrorists

[22:38] only have to hit one run."

[22:39] >> I I agree. And it's really interesting

[22:41] when the attorney general was popping

[22:43] back and forth on television all the

[22:44] time. He got criticized, in fact, pulled

[22:46] back by the White House at one point,

[22:48] but the truth of the matter is nobody

[22:49] wanted to be a public official and get

[22:51] on and make the announcement that

[22:52] something hadn't happened if he or she

[22:54] had not issued a public warning to law

[22:56] enforcement all over the country.

[22:58] Speaking of uh of security restrictions,

[23:01] there have been some changes in

[23:02] Washington today uh at the US Capital

[23:05] Building and others. Is Linda Douglas

[23:07] ready at the moment?

[23:08] Okay. Linda Douglas is on Capitol Hill

[23:10] and you've had some tighter restrictions

[23:12] there and in other government buildings

[23:13] tonight.

[23:14] >> Well, uh, high officials here inside the

[23:16] capital have just announced that they

[23:18] are going to suspend all public tours,

[23:21] all the people who come in to see the

[23:22] capital to see their government

[23:24] operating starting tomorrow. Now, this

[23:26] is a temporary measure, Peter, and they

[23:28] are saying that there is no specific

[23:30] threat aimed at the capital, but as

[23:32] we've been reporting all along, uh all

[23:34] of the intelligence indicates that

[23:36] clearly a target would be uh an

[23:38] institution such as this a symbol of

[23:40] American power, and the capital

[23:42] certainly is that.

[23:43] >> Just how restricted have tours been in

[23:46] the last couple of weeks? I was up there

[23:48] a couple weeks ago, didn't see a

[23:50] solitary tourist.

[23:52] >> It's really started to change, Peter,

[23:54] since September 11th. I mean, in my

[23:56] observation, it's changed so profoundly.

[23:58] Uh, they began to push all of the

[24:00] tourists out, all the children, all of

[24:02] the schools that come through here. They

[24:04] they didn't have the freedom to roam and

[24:06] mingle with all the office holders the

[24:07] way they always have traditionally in

[24:09] our system of government. It's been an

[24:11] empty place. But in the last three or

[24:13] four weeks, they've let the tourists

[24:15] back in. There's a system now. They go

[24:17] through security. They get a pass from

[24:19] their elected representative. They've

[24:20] been going through the chambers and

[24:21] watching their government operate. It's

[24:23] almost been back to normal in spite of

[24:25] the giant walls and security system that

[24:28] now surround the capital, but that will

[24:30] end at least for a while tomorrow.

[24:32] >> Yesterday at this time, you and I were

[24:33] talking about a very passionate debate

[24:34] on the floor of the Senate about whether

[24:36] or not the war should have started.

[24:37] Senator Bird of Virginia against John

[24:39] McCain of Arizona, not against, but both

[24:41] of them speaking very passionately. Have

[24:43] people coalesed now behind the effort

[24:44] today?

[24:46] >> Well, they're trying to, Peter.

[24:48] Certainly the Democrats in the Senate uh

[24:51] gave a very uh dignified performance

[24:54] today. They said that they they reserved

[24:56] their right to disagree with the

[24:58] president on policy, but now is the time

[25:00] to end debate, to rally around the

[25:02] commander-in-chief. There was a

[25:03] resolution passed, as we've reported, by

[25:05] the Senate uh unanimously uh to support

[25:08] the president as commanderin-chief and

[25:10] the troops. In the House, though, Peter,

[25:12] it is a different story. Uh there are

[25:14] Democrats there who are bulking uh at

[25:17] language that the House Republicans are

[25:18] trying to put in that resolution to

[25:20] commend the president for his decisive

[25:22] leadership and for using this as a way

[25:24] to end the war on terrorism. Democrats

[25:27] object. They don't want to to praise the

[25:30] president to that extent. So they

[25:31] haven't agreed yet.

[25:32] >> But even in the Senate today, I gather

[25:33] the resolution uh or the sense of the

[25:36] Senate end up with respect for the

[25:38] Supreme Commander without naming the

[25:39] president particularly. Well, they

[25:42] didn't name President Bush particularly,

[25:44] but uh but Republicans who were involved

[25:46] in these negotiations with Democrats say

[25:48] that they really did stop their feuding

[25:51] pretty quickly. Uh they understand that

[25:53] what their role is in the government,

[25:54] what their role is in a in an

[25:56] international crisis, in a military

[25:58] situation. All of these senators uh have

[26:01] constituents who have loved ones uh who

[26:04] are, you know, overseas fighting this

[26:06] war. Uh and every one of them talked

[26:07] about their own people at home. So, they

[26:09] see the president as the

[26:10] commander-in-chief in a situation like

[26:12] this.

[26:12] >> Thanks very much, Linda Douglas. It does

[26:14] always tend to ease a little ease

[26:15] quicker, sooner in the Senate than it

[26:17] does in the House of Representatives.

[26:18] We'll catch you up on that when it

[26:20] occurs. Um, one thing we're very mindful

[26:22] about, at least I hope we're very

[26:23] mindful about in terms of our general

[26:25] coverage is that we tend

[26:28] at a moment like this, and it hasn't

[26:29] happened in more than a decade, to talk

[26:31] a lot about military systems and

[26:33] weapons. Um, and while we have an

[26:36] enormous number of women in the armed

[26:38] forces, now one of our women colleagues

[26:41] pointed out today that we might do a

[26:43] little better with women if we made the

[26:45] weapons discussion somewhat simpler. To

[26:47] which I think I fairly responded, we

[26:49] might make it simpler for men as well.

[26:52] Um, so we're going to try to do that.

[26:54] We've talked a lot about the Patriot

[26:55] missile, for example, which got a lot of

[26:57] attention during the Gulf War in part

[26:59] because it was seen as a very heroic

[27:01] weapon at the beginning of the Gulf War

[27:02] and turned out not to be the case. This

[27:04] was the weapon that was deployed on the

[27:06] eastern perimeter of Israel uh which did

[27:09] not succeed in shooting down the Scud

[27:11] missiles which Saddam Hussein uh

[27:14] directed at the Israelis during the Gulf

[27:15] War. Well, this weapon has apparently

[27:18] been much refined and much improved. We

[27:21] can talk about that in the future, but

[27:22] here on the Patriots is ABC's Ned

[27:25] Potter.

[27:31] >> Sirens going off in Kuwait. people

[27:33] fumbling with gas masks.

[27:36] But in the midst of it, the Pentagon

[27:37] says something very reassuring happened.

[27:42] Patriot missiles launched to intercept

[27:44] two attack rockets from Iraq apparently

[27:47] worked.

[27:48] >> This is probably the hardest mission

[27:50] that that we have in combat. We're not

[27:54] very good at this. Joseph Serenion, who

[27:57] ran a congressional investigation of

[27:58] Patriot missiles in 1991, says they were

[28:02] seen as the miracle weapons of the first

[28:04] Gulf War.

[28:05] >> Thank God for the Patriot missile. Thank

[28:07] God for that.

[28:09] >> But in retrospect, soldiers concede the

[28:12] impression was wrong.

[28:13] >> The technology wasn't there to do it.

[28:15] It's basically like hitting a bullet

[28:16] with a bullet. The technology wasn't

[28:19] there.

[28:21] Back in '91, the Pentagon thought the

[28:23] Patriots intercepted more than 40 Iraqi

[28:25] Scuds. Later investigation showed that

[28:28] more likely they only destroyed four.

[28:31] >> The first kill estimates are invariably

[28:33] wrong. It's not because anybody's lying.

[28:36] It's because in the excitement of

[28:38] battle, in the confusion of battle,

[28:40] people think they saw things that they

[28:42] didn't see.

[28:43] >> But in the decades since, the Patriots

[28:45] have been heavily upgraded.

[28:48] They are launched, as we see in this

[28:50] test, when satellites or radar spot

[28:52] incoming missiles. The newest

[28:54] generation, called PAC 3, is designed to

[28:57] be highly maneuverable, predicting the

[28:59] path of its fastmoving target and using

[29:01] onboard radar to lock onto it. PAC 3es

[29:04] do not even carry explosives. They are

[29:06] meant to destroy the enemy missile just

[29:08] by hitting it. Skeptics

[29:12] warn the Patriots are still far from

[29:14] foolproof, but say they are still badly

[29:17] needed.

[29:18] >> Even a basic uh Scud missile or cruise

[29:22] missile with a conventional explosive

[29:23] warhead can cause a lot of damage.

[29:27] >> And there were more sirens in Kuwait

[29:29] tonight. Ned Potter, ABC News, New York.

[29:33] >> Um, just to be clear, and I hope not add

[29:35] to the confusion about the Patriot

[29:36] missiles, there were, as you know, five,

[29:38] six, or seven. We're never been quite

[29:40] certain yet. Missiles that were fired by

[29:42] the Iraqis across the Kuwaiti Iraqi

[29:43] border today. They did no harm, though

[29:45] they scared a lot of people. These were

[29:47] tactical missiles, short-range missiles,

[29:48] those which among other things Iraqis

[29:51] permitted to have and not which would

[29:53] normally be handled by a Patriot

[29:55] missile, but they did get through uh the

[29:57] defenses and scared the Kuwaitis, many

[30:00] of them today. This is ABC News

[30:02] continuing live coverage of the war

[30:04] against Iraq.

[30:12] Hello again everybody. I'm Peter

[30:13] Jennings at ABC News headquarters in New

[30:15] York. It is 7:30 here in the east, 4:30

[30:18] uh in the West. We recognize that not

[30:20] everybody's been sitting around the

[30:21] television all day. It is uh 3:30 in the

[30:24] morning in Baghdad and Kuwait and other

[30:27] important and anxious capitals in the

[30:29] Middle East itself. We're continuing our

[30:32] coverage. Some of you normally at this

[30:35] time of day would be getting ABC's World

[30:36] News Tonight. You're getting a much

[30:37] expanded version today, but the attack

[30:40] against the Iraqis now seems to be a

[30:42] good deal more underway than it was

[30:43] several hours ago. Uh the Marine

[30:45] Expeditionary Force has gone across in

[30:47] some measure. The frontier between

[30:50] Kuwait and Iraq, the Third Infantry

[30:51] Division, we were told a short while

[30:52] ago, has gone across. So you've got two

[30:54] columns going into southern Iraq at the

[30:57] moment. And now that the Turkish

[30:59] government has permitted the United

[31:01] States freedom to fly through Turkish

[31:03] airspace, it is quite possible that

[31:05] you'll begin to get American assets

[31:07] coming into the northern part of Iraq.

[31:09] And we'll talk about this as we get

[31:12] along in this particular half hour. But

[31:15] after nightfell in Baghdad today, uh

[31:18] British and Iraqi forces launched a new

[31:20] round of cruise missile attacks fired

[31:22] from warships and from submarines in the

[31:25] Persian Gulf and in the Red Sea. much

[31:27] longer travel from the Red Sea to their

[31:29] targets in Iraq. Uh they were designed

[31:32] to hit government facilities in Baghdad.

[31:35] ABC's Richard Engel reports from Baghdad

[31:37] this evening that government buildings

[31:38] including the interior ministry were set

[31:41] on file and US forces I've said have

[31:44] launched this ground attack. We are not

[31:46] yet absolutely certain and are yet to

[31:48] get the word from Sentcom that this huge

[31:52] operation

[31:54] uh that we had been anticipating has is

[31:56] moving in all of its parts. But there

[31:58] are reports as I said that the first

[32:00] armies have crossed into Iraq. US

[32:02] artillery units were involved along the

[32:05] Iraq Kuwait frontier this morning

[32:07] suppressing Iraqi fire and we believe

[32:10] attacking Iraqi installations in

[32:12] southern Iraq. A US Apache attack

[32:15] helicopter was shot down, Ted Cppel told

[32:17] us, by small arms fire just on the other

[32:20] side of the Iraq Kuwait border, but the

[32:22] crew was not hurt and they sent in a

[32:24] crew and managed to get the Apache up

[32:25] and flying again. And as you may have

[32:28] heard many many hours ago, another uh

[32:30] American helicopter was shot down in is

[32:33] a helicopter carrying special forces

[32:35] troops or carrying troops. We were told

[32:37] uh was shot down in western Iraq and

[32:39] everybody on board of that was rescued.

[32:44] And now I believe we are going to go and

[32:46] hear from ABC's Don Daylor who's

[32:48] embedded with the 101st Airborne

[32:51] Division and he compiled this for us a

[32:53] little while ago.

[32:59] I beg your pardon. You're back live.

[33:01] >> I can tell you I agree with what you

[33:03] were just saying. I am hearing from the

[33:05] people here at the 100 first that the ma

[33:07] massive ground war has not started. That

[33:10] uh the way it was explained to me is

[33:12] that we are going to be seeing small

[33:14] activities

[33:16] uh throughout southern Iraq, but do not

[33:19] consider that the massive gday as they

[33:21] called it. However, they have warned

[33:23] that the timetable because of other

[33:26] events, including the uh the fact that

[33:28] they have they believe they've located

[33:30] missile sites in southern Iraq that

[33:32] oppose a threat, that the timetable

[33:34] might have been moved up. Um I cannot

[33:37] specifically talk about the battle plans

[33:39] for the 101st, but it is safe for me to

[33:42] talk about capabilities. Uh and you

[33:44] mentioned northern Iraq, places like

[33:46] that. One of the possibilities for a

[33:49] unit like the 101st because of their

[33:50] great flexibility and the fact that they

[33:53] can take a brigadesized unit to make

[33:55] them in helicopters and get them on the

[33:57] ground sometimes over a 100 miles behind

[33:59] enemy lines makes them very attractive

[34:01] for the war planners when they're

[34:03] looking at putting them into strategic

[34:05] points. For instance, airfields or

[34:07] bridges that they have to hold and

[34:09] protect for when the third infantry

[34:11] division starts to roll across. Those

[34:13] are the roles that we can see and expect

[34:15] the 101st units of the 101st to take

[34:18] part in as the days unfold. You also

[34:21] have to remember though they are at

[34:23] heart an infantry division. They put

[34:25] boots on the ground and they are very

[34:27] effective in that role as well.

[34:30] >> Okay, Don, thank you very much. As Don

[34:31] Daylor points out, uh we are not nor uh

[34:35] nor eager to say those things which uh

[34:37] local commanders either that or in

[34:39] central command don't uh uh permit or

[34:42] wish us to say under the circumstances.

[34:44] We get a lot of email from people around

[34:46] the country who wonder whether or not

[34:48] with reports like that we actually put

[34:50] American lives at risk. And the only

[34:52] answer that we can really give you is

[34:54] that our reporters in the field do not

[34:57] say things on television which they have

[34:59] not cleared with their local commanders.

[35:00] They all have a fairly strict set of

[35:03] guidelines about what what they're able

[35:05] to say and what they are not able to

[35:07] say. Um on occasion it is perfectly

[35:10] possible that a reporter may make a

[35:11] mistake, but we try very hard not to do

[35:14] so. Let's go to the White House. ABC's

[35:16] Terry Moran. Terry, um we haven't seen

[35:19] the president today. They've all been

[35:21] gone to ground pretty much in the White

[35:22] House today. Give us as much as you can.

[35:25] >> Well, Peter, we did hear from the

[35:26] president today. Just to remind you, in

[35:28] that cabinet meeting, he held a cabinet

[35:30] meeting, a war cabinet meeting, and did

[35:32] have very brief remarks to a pool of

[35:35] reporters that was led in uh

[35:37] complimenting uh the actions of the

[35:39] military and sending his support to the

[35:42] troops and trying to reassure the

[35:44] homeront as well. But there are no plans

[35:47] now for any further addresses by the

[35:50] president. Certainly, he leaves for Camp

[35:52] David tomorrow afternoon at 1:30. But we

[35:55] are hearing from the president in

[35:56] another way in a series of executive

[35:58] orders and executive actions that show a

[36:02] kind of cascading plan of action on

[36:05] other fronts aside from the military

[36:07] front that is now taking place. You see

[36:10] just how carefully planned uh this

[36:13] regime change in Iraq was. It's not just

[36:15] the military. He's handed that off to

[36:17] the generals. What you see is diplomatic

[36:20] action. The president has requested 68

[36:23] countries around the world to expel

[36:25] senior Iraqi diplomats and stop dealing

[36:28] with this regime. They've frozen more

[36:30] than a billion dollars in Iraqi assets

[36:32] in this country and essentially seized

[36:34] them, vested them. They are now under

[36:36] the control of the United States

[36:37] government. And there have been some

[36:39] humanitarian actions. an executive order

[36:41] releasing 600,000 tons of grain for the

[36:45] expected humanitarian emergency and $22

[36:48] million to help with that humanitarian

[36:51] uh issue that will arise shortly. So,

[36:53] this is obviously coordinated with

[36:55] military action and very carefully

[36:57] planned.

[36:58] >> You do remind me, I must say, what how

[36:59] long a day it has been because you're

[37:01] quite right. We did see the president

[37:03] talking before the cabinet meeting and

[37:04] I'm I I guess what I was asking is

[37:06] whether at least I hope it's what I was

[37:08] asking was whether or not he you think

[37:09] he will speak to the American public

[37:11] again and the answer is no and that

[37:13] leaves us at at the moment and that

[37:15] leaves us a bit in limbo as to whether

[37:17] we're looking at a full-scale attack or

[37:19] not or as far as the White House is

[37:20] concerned is it just simply underway.

[37:23] >> He has signed the execute order as they

[37:26] call it. That's a classified document

[37:28] which authorizes this. He did that

[37:30] Wednesday morning. He asked, we're told,

[37:32] two questions of all the generals in the

[37:34] field who were gathered by video

[37:36] conference, the senior leaders, generals

[37:38] and admirals who are leading this

[37:40] operation. He asked two very general

[37:42] questions. Do you have everything you

[37:44] need to win? Are you comfortable with

[37:46] the strategy? Put each one of them on

[37:48] record that they are ready to go under

[37:51] these conditions. And he is now stepping

[37:53] back. It is very typical of this

[37:54] president that he does not have a lot to

[37:57] say at major moments after he said his

[38:01] peace. That speech to the country last

[38:03] night, these brief remarks with his

[38:05] cabinet, I don't expect to hear him

[38:06] again for a couple of days.

[38:08] >> Thanks, Terry, very much Terry Moran at

[38:09] the White House. By the way, uh some of

[38:11] the military commanders uh in the field

[38:13] and in Washington have not been

[38:15] particularly comfortable with the

[38:16] strategy, not particularly comfortable

[38:17] with the pace, but as Terry points out

[38:19] at a moment like this, the president is

[38:22] the commanderin-chief. The Secretary of

[38:24] Defense uh talked to the troops today,

[38:27] um made a recorded speech for the troops

[38:29] and because of the technology now

[38:31] available uh in so much of the region,

[38:33] though certainly not in the combat units

[38:35] at the front at this moment, they've

[38:36] been able to hear Donald Rumsfeld

[38:38] himself. And here's a brief excerpt.

[38:42] >> When I returned to the Pentagon after

[38:44] serving here a quarter of a century ago,

[38:47] I wrote a series of guidelines to help

[38:48] guide my thinking regarding the use of

[38:51] force. They included these questions. Is

[38:54] there a good reason to go to war? Have

[38:57] we engaged all instruments of national

[39:00] power in search of a peaceful solution?

[39:03] Is the objective achievable? Have we set

[39:06] forth clear goals?

[39:08] Does the objective merit risking

[39:11] American lives?

[39:13] Have we made available all the resources

[39:15] and military capabilities needed to

[39:17] achieve victory? Have we invested the

[39:20] effort and the political capital to

[39:22] explain the need for action and to

[39:24] marshall and sustain public support?

[39:27] Have we been honest with ourselves and

[39:30] with the world about the risks of

[39:32] action, but also about the less obvious

[39:35] risks of inaction?

[39:38] The president has made the case for Iraq

[39:40] clear. He has set forth what is at stake

[39:44] and invested the diplomatic and

[39:46] political effort needed to exhaust all

[39:49] options short of war. We are at the

[39:52] point at which the risk of not acting is

[39:55] too great to wait longer. The answers

[39:58] are clear. It is essential to world

[40:00] peace and our security that we act

[40:03] against the regime of Saddam Hussein.

[40:06] the Secretary of Defense uh talking to

[40:08] forces in the field today and I think we

[40:10] know from uh the experience of the

[40:13] run-up to this war that that is the kind

[40:15] of speech which will receive uh widfelt

[40:18] support in the country and and widfelt

[40:20] criticism at two uh here at home and

[40:23] overseas as well as you saw a tremendous

[40:25] number of overseas demonstrations today

[40:27] have not abaded and there were a number

[40:30] of anti-war demonstrations um around the

[40:32] country today not of huge proportion but

[40:34] you continue to see anti-war ads in the

[40:38] newspapers uh in in the country as well

[40:40] and a lot of people who will disagree

[40:42] with Mr. Rumsfeld, but that was

[40:43] certainly his message and will be taken

[40:46] as a very spirited message by the troops

[40:48] who are in the field tonight. Now to

[40:50] ABC's John McQuey at the Pentagon. John,

[40:52] before I ask you about a question of

[40:55] coverage, is there latest news?

[40:58] >> Uh there is a number of pieces of late

[41:00] news, Peter. Number one, Don Rumsfeld

[41:03] right now is up in a top secret briefing

[41:06] telling members of the House uh what it

[41:08] is that the US is doing and what the

[41:10] strategy is and how it's going. Uh this

[41:13] is part of his effort to win support of

[41:16] lawmakers that have sometimes been

[41:17] critical of the strategy. Um but out in

[41:21] the field, uh this I think is going to

[41:23] prove this next 24-hour period is going

[41:26] to prove to be one of the most dramatic

[41:29] uh of this entire campaign. However long

[41:31] it goes, this is the beginning of truly

[41:35] the beginning of the march to Baghdad.

[41:37] Uh this administration hopes it's going

[41:39] to go rapidly. Uh but they don't know.

[41:42] Uh this is also the beginning of the

[41:44] execution of uh what I would call a

[41:47] Rumsfeld strategy. He firmly believes uh

[41:51] that parts of Saddam Hussein support

[41:54] structure is beginning to crumble. uh

[41:56] and he feels by exerting the kind of

[41:59] military force that the United States is

[42:01] now exerting uh that he is going to uh

[42:05] in his view create uh mass defections uh

[42:09] from Saddam's inner circle. Uh there are

[42:12] people who listen to this kind of

[42:15] strategy and think that Don Rumsfeld

[42:17] does not have an adequate appreciation

[42:19] of the uh tyranny that Saddam Hussein

[42:22] has ruled his country with. Uh but

[42:25] nonetheless, there are some encouraging

[42:27] signs from high levels uh in some of the

[42:30] Republican Guard units that are reaching

[42:32] out apparently uh to agents of the US.

[42:35] >> There's something else, John, which I

[42:36] think I am noticing. Mr. Rumsfeld and

[42:39] elements in the military have argued for

[42:40] a long time as to whether there should

[42:42] be what's called simultaneity between an

[42:45] attack on the ground and these attacks

[42:47] on the air. And we had anticipated at

[42:49] least a couple of days of softening up

[42:51] the Iraqis from the air. And now

[42:54] apparently we have US ground forces

[42:56] going across the borders at exactly the

[42:59] same time. So there's this huge

[43:00] operation I assume going on in the air

[43:02] and on the ground at the moment which is

[43:04] the way Mr. Rumsfeld always wanted it.

[43:06] Well, he has long felt that uh the

[43:09] military sometimes uh is too risk

[43:13] averse. Uh and he with the amount of

[43:16] force that uh Don Rumsfeld has permitted

[43:19] to be in this area, it's always been a

[43:21] compromise between the top uniform

[43:23] officers and the Secretary of Defense.

[43:26] Uh that uh this will be a very

[43:29] fastmoving force, not nearly as large as

[43:31] some of the uniform people might have

[43:33] wanted. Uh but it has turned out to be a

[43:36] quite large force. I think we're going

[43:38] to see here in the next 24 hours. Uh

[43:41] there's going to be 60 or 70,000

[43:44] uh US and British forces working their

[43:46] way up towards Baghdad. That's a pretty

[43:48] impressive force.

[43:50] >> Exactly. And and and and the air

[43:52] component as well. Now, let me ask you

[43:54] about about the business of coverage. Um

[43:57] everybody you and I both talked to in

[43:58] the military command. In the military

[44:00] command, I think has been very

[44:01] enthusiastic about having reporters with

[44:02] them and on the ground. the g chairman

[44:04] of the joint chiefs of staff has been

[44:06] enthusiastic. General Franks himself was

[44:08] enthusiastic when I saw him only a few

[44:10] days ago in the Gulf, but he's irritated

[44:12] about something today and I wonder if we

[44:14] can get a handle on it and what effect

[44:15] we think it'll have on informing the

[44:17] public.

[44:18] >> I I don't know that we can get a handle

[44:20] on it. Uh but I think there are some

[44:22] important measurements that we can take

[44:25] at this point. Uh I think Don Rumsfeld

[44:29] appears to be happy uh with the

[44:31] relationship that the press and the

[44:33] military have managed to forge going

[44:35] into this campaign. Thus far uh he has

[44:38] seen no egregious examples of the press

[44:41] uh jeopardizing the forces. I think the

[44:44] president is happy with the kind of

[44:45] coverage uh that has been handled thus

[44:48] far. though it may not ultimately matter

[44:52] uh what the commander out in the field

[44:54] who is actually running this war thinks.

[44:57] Uh I have a feeling that things will

[44:59] ease up uh although I must say our

[45:01] reporters ABC's reporters have been able

[45:03] to file quite regularly. Uh and many of

[45:06] them are right in the middle of the

[45:08] thick of it.

[45:08] >> We shall see how things go. And I don't

[45:10] mean to be too glib about this, John, so

[45:11] please don't make fun of me, but but you

[45:14] just saw on our on our television there

[45:16] sort of a graphic of of tanks going

[45:18] through the BMS which are built on the

[45:20] Iraqi Kuwaiti border and tanks smoothly

[45:22] running up onto the desert playing to

[45:24] the west. I have to tell you this is

[45:26] this is probably a better representation

[45:28] of what the space over southern Iraq

[45:30] looks like tonight. And just you could

[45:32] draw as many lines on this piece of

[45:33] paper as you wanted. And if this is the

[45:36] beginning of this huge massive operation

[45:38] that we've all been briefed on in one

[45:40] way, shape or form, that represents all

[45:43] the aircraft up, all the Awax, the

[45:45] people that sort of guide the various

[45:46] aircraft from the air, all of the

[45:48] tankers that are in the air, the

[45:49] fighters that are coming and going from

[45:50] various targets. And one of the things

[45:52] that commanders John, answer this one

[45:54] more question for me. One of the things

[45:56] that that commanders have really worried

[45:58] about in this opening days of this

[46:00] overwhelming assault was confusion in

[46:02] the air and the real possibility of

[46:05] friendly fire accidents. Uh definitely

[46:08] friendly fire. That is something that

[46:10] the US has been very concerned about and

[46:12] they've invested in technology and

[46:14] they've invested in training to better

[46:16] identify where American forces are on

[46:18] the ground. when you get into trouble uh

[46:21] it is when forces are moving very fast

[46:24] uh and when the battlefield is confused

[46:26] this will be a relatively fastm moving

[46:29] force uh and it is going to be broken

[46:31] into many parts as it moves north

[46:33] towards Baghdad uh so there is that risk

[46:36] and certainly the traffic management in

[46:38] the sky is an issue but uh I think

[46:40] officials uh the military folks feel

[46:43] that they have it under control they

[46:45] know that there is chaos when you have a

[46:47] battlefield period and they are trained

[46:50] uh although they have a plan, they have

[46:52] time hacks that they're supposed to

[46:54] meet, milestones they're supposed to

[46:55] meet, they know that uh things always

[46:58] change the moment uh real contact

[47:00] begins, things change. And the secretary

[47:03] proved that immediately uh and the

[47:05] president by starting this campaign in a

[47:07] way that was totally outside of the plan

[47:10] itself.

[47:10] >> Well, John, you prove again you're

[47:11] better than graphics. Many thanks

[47:13] indeed. John McCarthy at the Pentagon

[47:14] will come back in the course of the

[47:15] evening. Now we're joined by ABC

[47:18] consultant Dick Richard Clark who has

[47:20] served in the Bush administration and

[47:22] the Clinton administration. You've been

[47:23] a counterterrorist operator in the Gulf

[47:26] War. You helped to coordinate the State

[47:28] Department and the military components

[47:29] of that war. What's your take on the day

[47:31] so far?

[47:32] >> Well, Peter, I'm impressed by the

[47:34] flexibility the administration has shown

[47:36] in in two regards. yesterday, reacting

[47:39] very quickly to word from the director

[47:41] of central intelligence, George Tennant,

[47:43] that there was a target of opportunity

[47:45] and going first, followed by a

[47:47] presidential address that we weren't

[47:48] supposed to hear for a couple of days.

[47:50] And now today, when there were reports

[47:52] of missiles being launched and perhaps

[47:54] reports of oil fields being lit on fire,

[47:57] I suspect the commander Tommy Franks

[48:00] asked for permission to begin early on

[48:02] the ground in one limited area and he

[48:04] got that permission. And do you have any

[48:06] sense of what it means to suddenly move

[48:08] the schedule up that dramatically, maybe

[48:10] even by 24 hours?

[48:11] >> Well, I don't think it means as much as

[48:13] as we might think. Uh I think the the

[48:15] big heavy clunky military operation uh

[48:19] with thousands of cruise missiles and

[48:20] and sorties uh is still to come and

[48:23] that'll come on schedule. In the first

[48:25] day of the attack uh in the last war uh

[48:28] in the air war, we hit 45 different

[48:30] sites in Baghdad on the first night. Uh

[48:33] we had 1300 sorties the first day. Uh

[48:36] this is much much smaller and we'd all

[48:38] been led to expect

[48:39] >> this is smaller.

[48:40] >> This is much much smaller than the first

[48:42] day.

[48:42] >> Well, this has turned out to be smaller

[48:44] because the first day is really

[48:45] different than perhaps anybody

[48:46] anticipated.

[48:46] >> I think the real first day here hasn't

[48:48] come yet, right?

[48:48] >> But this is my point. The administration

[48:50] is is being showing flexibility uh both

[48:53] with regard to the CIA operation

[48:55] yesterday and with regard to the marine

[48:57] operation today. And we may be lulled

[49:00] into thinking everything is going

[49:02] swimmingly because we've taken H3

[49:04] perhaps the airport in the west. We've

[49:06] taken them

[49:07] >> huge air western in the western desert

[49:09] to which the US can fly in both man and

[49:11] material

[49:11] >> right twice the size of he in London

[49:14] enormous airport. Uh we've probably

[49:16] taken Kaser the the port the major port

[49:19] in the south now with Turkish

[49:20] permission. What what is the what is the

[49:22] significance of taking Umaser the port

[49:24] on the waterway into Iraq at the south

[49:26] because nobody's going to go in and out

[49:27] of there in the course of a war anyway

[49:29] are they?

[49:29] >> No, I think the only significance is

[49:30] that we're sealing off Basra and Kaser

[49:33] uh so that we can move quickly to the

[49:35] north.

[49:35] >> In other words, so the US can move in

[49:37] supplies by sea as well as by

[49:39] >> sea amphibiously. So everything seems to

[49:41] be moving swimmingly and we have to be

[49:43] very cautious. Uh, this first day seems

[49:47] to be going well for us, but Saddam

[49:49] Hussein has things up his sleeve. We

[49:51] don't know what they are. Uh, but he had

[49:53] several things up his sleeve last time.

[49:55] He attacked Israel. He blew up oil

[49:57] fields. He put oil into the Persian

[49:59] Gulf. He had human shields. He's got

[50:02] he's got a plan. He knew this was

[50:04] coming. We just haven't seen his plan

[50:05] yet. And what his plan is likely to be

[50:08] is to try somehow to slow the US advance

[50:11] down and appeal for world support to

[50:15] show US atrocities to show women and

[50:17] children being killed and then appeal

[50:20] for the UN Security Council for his

[50:22] friends uh the Russians and the French

[50:24] and others to come into the UN Security

[50:26] Council.

[50:26] >> Based on the Bush administration's

[50:27] relationship with the UN Security

[50:28] Council, it wouldn't make much

[50:30] difference.

[50:30] >> Well, I know. But what we may see is the

[50:32] UN Security Council asking for a

[50:34] ceasefire. That may be what is in

[50:36] Sodom's head. We have to try to figure

[50:38] out what is his strategy.

[50:39] >> Uh I'm not sure you're exactly the right

[50:41] person to do this, but maybe you can

[50:43] try. Which is to give us a word picture

[50:44] of the special operations element in

[50:46] today because we have this sense that

[50:48] special operation forces have come in

[50:51] from a variety of different places. Do

[50:52] you know where they're not? Do you know

[50:53] where they're operating? Do you know

[50:54] sort of in general terms what they're

[50:57] trying to accomplish? Well, I think

[50:58] special operations forces have probably

[51:00] been in for a few days.

[51:01] >> They've jumped off from a place in Saudi

[51:03] Arabia, I suspect, a place called RR.

[51:06] They've jumped off from a Jordanian air

[51:08] force base uh near the the Iraqi border.

[51:11] They're probably now staging into

[51:14] Turkey, so they can jump off from there.

[51:16] Uh British and uh US SEALs have probably

[51:19] come up the river into uh so that we

[51:22] have a number of people that are well

[51:24] forward from these units that we're

[51:25] seeing on TV. And while Saddam Hussein

[51:28] may intellectually know that, this could

[51:30] be a tremendous surprise or shock to

[51:34] Iraqi military commanders in these

[51:36] particular regions, or are they? How

[51:38] well trained are they? How good are

[51:39] they? The

[51:40] >> US special forces are very good. No,

[51:42] >> I mean the Iraqis.

[51:42] >> Well, the Iraqis are not. Uh but what

[51:44] the US special forces may be trying to

[51:46] do is arrange ceasefires

[51:48] >> to reach out for local commanders and

[51:50] say as Don Rumsfeld said in his press

[51:52] conference this morning this war doesn't

[51:54] have to be the way doesn't have to be

[51:56] the way that you think it is.

[51:57] >> Very first thing he said

[51:58] >> first thing he said and I think it's

[51:59] consistent with his overall strategy is

[52:02] if if units want to surrender if

[52:03] regional commanders want to give us uh

[52:06] ceasefires then that's fine and and they

[52:08] won't be punished.

[52:10] >> You were very last question for now but

[52:11] please don't go away. You were very

[52:12] instrumental in the opening days of the

[52:14] Gulf War and and the US was not really

[52:17] prepared for the huge number of Iraqis

[52:19] who surrendered, didn't have any people

[52:21] to take care of them, didn't have any

[52:22] place to put them. It's been a very very

[52:24] clear component of planning for this

[52:25] campaign, which is to try to leave them

[52:27] in place and go around them. Right.

[52:28] >> I think we're going to leave a lot of

[52:29] them in place and go around them. Uh

[52:31] after we have received promises from

[52:33] them that they're not going to fire on

[52:35] our troops as our troops go by.

[52:37] >> This is a familiar picture, of course,

[52:38] from 1991. And as we've been told by

[52:41] many commanders on the ground, in fact,

[52:43] a week or so ago, there were, you know,

[52:45] many thousands of military policemen

[52:47] which were still at sea on their way to

[52:48] Kuwait. And this component, at least

[52:51] commanders in the region, believe was

[52:52] not yet put together, but they would not

[52:55] like to have to deal with taking care of

[52:57] all these Iraqi prisoners as they did in

[52:59] the Gulf War, which means feeding them

[53:01] and preventing, you know, just

[53:03] preventing the kind of discipline

[53:05] problems you get when you have a lot of

[53:06] men with nothing to do on their hands.

[53:08] And so they've taken a different tack

[53:09] this time. Nick Clark, thanks very much.

[53:11] Please stay with us for a while. Um, one

[53:14] of the things you may have picked up

[53:15] today is the change of attitude in

[53:17] Kuwait. The Kuwaits have been fairly

[53:19] relaxed about this war. They had this

[53:20] huge American force up on the border.

[53:21] They had the Patriot missiles on the

[53:23] border. Well, they had a really rough

[53:25] day. Nobody was hurt to the best of our

[53:27] knowledge, but psychologically it was

[53:29] traumatic. Here's ABC's Jim Wooten.

[53:34] This morning in this city, the hustle

[53:36] and bustle as the wheels of Kuwaiti

[53:38] commerce began to turn. Suddenly,

[53:44] the first of several air raid alerts.

[53:47] And suddenly, the unthinkable was

[53:50] thinkable. as real as the whale of the

[53:53] sirens on the streets, on local TV

[53:56] screens, on downtown buildings, in the

[53:59] hotels,

[54:02] >> on the faces of Kuwaitis.

[54:04] >> Out of the way, please just

[54:06] >> and foreign journalists, too. Those on

[54:09] the air.

[54:10] >> Yes. So, I am supposed to put on the

[54:11] mask and that is what exactly I am going

[54:13] to do.

[54:14] >> Are those behind the cameras?

[54:16] >> If you can hear me, we have sirens going

[54:18] off here

[54:19] >> or down in the shelters. Some wondering

[54:21] perhaps how wise it was to accept an

[54:24] assignment within range of Iraqi

[54:26] missiles. Outside, a Czech

[54:28] decontamination team tests the air for

[54:31] gas. And a hotel doorman

[54:33] >> coming inside now, please

[54:35] >> urges guests to take cover. Some do,

[54:39] some don't, and some couldn't care less.

[54:42] They refuse to think the unthinkable. A

[54:46] few police seem almost embarrassed to

[54:48] protect themselves as though it's

[54:50] unmanly. Ditto for some camera crews.

[54:54] And just up the road, US troops also got

[54:57] wind of the alert and struggled into

[54:59] their chemical gear. Even after dark,

[55:02] the threat continued for civilians and

[55:04] soldiers.

[55:06] And at the end of the day, while there

[55:08] was no panic, none in evidence, at any

[55:11] rate, there was for many here a

[55:13] realization that if the Iraqis are

[55:15] outgunned and outmanned, and if they do

[55:17] face an inevitable defeat, at least some

[55:20] of them will not go quietly. And in the

[55:24] downtown streets tonight, an empty

[55:27] waiting, a nervous listening for the

[55:30] next siren that makes it clear this is a

[55:33] war zone, too. Jim Wooden, ABC News,

[55:36] Kuwait City.

[55:37] >> As we said, something the Kuwaitis had

[55:39] not expected a week ago. Um, when they

[55:42] were all quite relaxed about the air,

[55:44] the international airlines stopped

[55:46] moving into Kuwait City and uh the

[55:50] Kuwait Kuwait airlines continued to

[55:52] operate, but a lot of Kuwaitis,

[55:54] including Americans married to Kuwaitis

[55:55] as well, said they were not leaving

[55:56] town. Uh, but they've all had, as Jim

[55:58] says, a very anxious day. We now have uh

[56:01] ABC's Bob Woodruff on the line who was

[56:03] with the First Marine Expeditionary

[56:04] Force somewhere along the Kuwaiti Iraq

[56:08] border. Bob,

[56:10] 5 to 4 in the morning. Peter, good

[56:12] morning.

[56:12] >> Morning. 5 to 4 in the morning. Your

[56:14] time.

[56:15] >> Yes, very early in the morning. And I

[56:17] can tell you that we are still waiting

[56:19] here ready to move. We have an

[56:20] inexplicable delay which I can't even

[56:22] tell you exactly the reason for it. But

[56:25] let me just tell you what I'm seeing on

[56:26] the horizon which is quite eerie. I

[56:28] don't know if others have reported this

[56:29] or not, but at quite a distance away, we

[56:32] see a very large fire. Flames are

[56:36] licking up toward the sky. I can't tell

[56:38] from here exactly how high they are

[56:40] going, but a big orange flame on the

[56:42] horizon, another smaller one to the

[56:44] right. But on the large one, which

[56:46] appears to be, and it makes sense that

[56:48] it would be an oil fire of some kind,

[56:51] and a very large cloud of smoke and and

[56:56] uh and oil debris, I would imagine,

[56:57] hanging above the fire, right? Uh just

[57:00] north of the border. It's hard to tell

[57:02] how far, but probably 10 15 km north of

[57:05] the border, it appears to be. Can can

[57:07] you tell perhaps by looking at a map,

[57:10] which I know you have access to, where

[57:12] the fires are? Are they to the east? Are

[57:14] they near Basra? Might they be at one of

[57:16] the refineries along the waterway there?

[57:20] >> Uh I believe it's uh would not be

[57:23] complet.

[57:24] It would be more uh west of Basra. Uh

[57:29] north of the border certainly, but west

[57:31] of Bosra. Uh it could be one of the gas

[57:34] oil separation plants. It could be an

[57:36] oil uh an oil platform of some kind. Uh

[57:40] it's only worth guessing, but it's not

[57:43] as far as Boss or Peter. I do not

[57:44] believe it looks as if it might be a

[57:46] little bit west of that area.

[57:48] >> And and and now tell us if you can or

[57:51] tell us what you can about your last I

[57:53] think it's five or six or seven hours

[57:55] since we've spoken to you.

[57:58] >> We have been sitting Peter. That's one

[58:00] reason why I haven't spoken to you. I've

[58:01] been waiting to go in. Uh the last that

[58:04] we heard, as I told you last time, there

[58:06] was some problems with some mines that

[58:07] we're trying to clear out. We have heard

[58:09] some some very heavy pounding up north

[58:12] of the border, whether that is planes or

[58:15] artillery or both. Uh and there's

[58:18] obviously trying to soften the way for

[58:19] us to get in. Other units and the

[58:21] Marines have clearly already gotten in.

[58:24] We've for some reason when we we were

[58:26] supposed to go in very very early in

[58:28] this fight and we have been delayed to

[58:30] the west. So, for the most part, we have

[58:32] been sitting and waiting to go in and

[58:33] watching the horizons in front of us.

[58:35] >> And and you know why you're being

[58:37] delayed even though you cannot tell us

[58:39] or is it not explainable to you either?

[58:43] >> Uh we've been having trouble getting an

[58:44] explanation for that actually on the the

[58:46] vehicle that we're traveling on. It's a

[58:47] need to know basis only and um I think

[58:51] it still has to do with the mechanized

[58:54] equipment having to go through and clear

[58:55] the mines out. But I may have more

[58:58] information on that very soon because I

[59:00] think we are about ready to pull out. We

[59:01] have just fired up our engines for the

[59:03] first time in about five hours and uh

[59:06] we're ready to get on the move again. So

[59:07] hopefully I'll be able to give you

[59:08] another call back very soon and let you

[59:11] know where what's happening.

[59:12] >> Okay, Bob. Many thanks indeed. ABC's Bob

[59:14] Woodruff who is with the Marine

[59:15] Expeditionary Force on the Kuwaiti Iraqi

[59:18] border. 4:00 in the morning his time. We

[59:20] can just go back very quickly to that

[59:21] map of the oil fields in the south where

[59:23] Bob believes he sees a fire may well be

[59:25] in the Ram field uh which is the most

[59:30] productive oil field in Iraq before the

[59:33] Gulf War. Their big oil fields are here

[59:36] and then up northern towards Kirk Cook

[59:38] up towards the northern fly zone up

[59:39] towards Kurdish Iraq and they have been

[59:43] an issue of considerable debate today.

[59:45] First, we had some suggestions that

[59:46] there were oil wells on fire or oil

[59:49] installations on fire. Weren't quite

[59:50] sure what they were. And then we had

[59:52] some reporters on the border who said

[59:54] they couldn't see anything up in the

[59:55] General Basra area. And now we have

[59:57] ABC's Bob Woodruff who's got a different

[59:59] perspective and he sees a quite large

[60:01] fire in what may or may not be the Ramoa

[60:04] field, which is the closest one to the

[60:05] border. This is ABC News continuing live

[60:08] coverage of the war with Iraq.

[60:19] Hello again everybody. I'm Peter

[60:20] Jennings at uh ABC News headquarters in

[60:23] New York. This is our continuing

[60:24] coverage of the campaign against Iraq.

[60:27] We are very much in the dark about some

[60:29] things and we know a fair amount of some

[60:32] other things that have transpired. And

[60:34] at the beginning of every hour, it's now

[60:36] 8:00 in the east, 5:00 in the west, and

[60:39] four o'clock in the morning. Um on the

[60:42] battlefield, uh these are some of the

[60:44] things that we know um have transpired

[60:47] today. Uh we know that there were

[60:49] various strikes by the US today in

[60:52] Baghdad itself and up towards Bastra. We

[60:54] also know the British were involved in

[60:56] an operation going across the Kuwaiti

[60:58] Iraq border up towards Bastra. The first

[61:00] important city 300,000 people on the way

[61:04] to Baghdad been an issue of huge

[61:06] speculation as to how people in Basra

[61:08] would respond to US andor British forces

[61:10] because it's a largely Shiite Muslim

[61:13] population. the majority population in

[61:16] Iraq. But the leader Saddam Hussein is a

[61:18] Sunni and the Shiites have been

[61:20] profoundly repressed by the Sunni

[61:23] leadership for many many years,

[61:25] particularly in the south. And this is

[61:27] one of the places where the Americans

[61:29] believe they really will be greeted with

[61:30] flowers and not with bullets. But there

[61:32] are, as our military analysts tell us,

[61:34] some some armies deployed uh in the area

[61:38] between the Kuwait border and Basra.

[61:39] Certainly question is what will they do?

[61:41] whether it's re revolutionary guard

[61:43] farther up or the regular army farther

[61:45] to the south will they put their weapons

[61:47] down and decide not to fight. We also

[61:50] know of course that the US launched

[61:51] another series of strikes on Baghdad. Um

[61:54] US and British forces again used cruise

[61:56] missiles fired from the Persian Gulf and

[61:57] from the Red Sea. It is a British pool

[62:00] report we had earlier today that the

[62:02] Royal Commandos were involved in their

[62:03] biggest operation uh since the Faulland

[62:06] war as they launched an attack on

[62:08] southern Iraq.