MSNBC - Iraq War - 2003-03-20 - 2:50 a.m. (E)
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[0:01] restore control of that country to its
[0:03] own people.
[0:05] I know that the families of our military
[0:07] are praying that all those who serve
[0:09] will return safely and soon.
[0:12] Millions of Americans are praying with
[0:14] you
[0:15] for the safety of your loved ones
[0:17] and for the protection of the innocent.
[0:20] For your sacrifice,
[0:22] you have the gratitude and respect of
[0:24] the American people.
[0:26] And you can know
[0:28] that our forces will be coming home as
[0:31] soon as their work is done.
[0:33] Our nation enters this conflict
[0:35] reluctantly,
[0:37] yet our purpose is sure.
[0:39] The people of the United States and our
[0:41] friends and allies will not live at the
[0:43] mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens
[0:46] the peace with weapons of mass murder.
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[0:56] so that we do not have to meet it later
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[1:01] and doctors on the streets of our
[1:03] cities.
[1:05] Now that conflict has come,
[1:07] the only way to limit its duration is to
[1:10] apply decisive force.
[1:12] And I assure you,
[1:14] this will not be a campaign of half
[1:16] measures,
[1:17] and we will accept no outcome
[1:19] but victory.
[1:21] My fellow citizens,
[1:23] the dangers to our country
[1:25] and the world
[1:26] will be overcome.
[1:29] We will pass through this time of peril
[1:31] and carry on the work of peace.
[1:34] We will defend our freedom.
[1:36] We will bring freedom to others.
[1:39] And we will prevail.
[1:41] May God bless our country
[1:43] and all who defend her.
[1:46] >> The president spoke, the nation
[1:47] listened, and now the nation is
[1:49] reacting. Don Lemon joins us now live
[1:51] from New York's Times Square, and Don,
[1:53] we've already been hearing reaction
[1:54] coming in from all over the world,
[1:56] different countries. Some in support,
[1:58] some
[2:00] strongly against this military action
[2:01] that started. Let's a localize that
[2:03] reaction though. What are people saying
[2:05] as far as President Bush's speech that
[2:07] they heard and as far as the start of
[2:09] war?
[2:11] >> Well, really the reaction here in Times
[2:12] Square has been mixed and of course the
[2:14] concern was people speaking out against
[2:16] the war. There's been some support, but
[2:18] there's also been some dissent. And the
[2:20] concern was that people may use an air
[2:22] strike against Baghdad to do some sort
[2:24] of terroristic
[2:25] act here in Times Square, here in New
[2:27] York City. And of course the mayor of
[2:29] New York and the police commissioner
[2:30] said they would take care of any of that
[2:32] by putting into place what they call
[2:33] Operation Atlas, which they say is a
[2:35] most comprehensive anti-terrorism
[2:38] operation that any city in America has
[2:40] has undertaken. Operation Atlas calls
[2:43] for increased patrols in certain areas,
[2:45] increased securities at places of
[2:47] worship and tourist spots and also at
[2:49] financial institutions, also increased
[2:51] checkpoints on bridges and other places
[2:53] of entry throughout the city.
[2:55] >> And joining me now two of New York
[2:57] City's finest who are both part of the
[3:01] Operation Atlas. You You guys normally
[3:03] work in the Bronx, right? We have
[3:04] officers Officer Vasquez and Officer
[3:06] Maldonado. You normally work in the
[3:08] Bronx, but you're here now doing this.
[3:09] Tell me what you guys are doing now.
[3:10] You're in a van, you say?
[3:11] >> Right. Right now we part of Cobra team,
[3:14] which is the chemical biological
[3:16] response team. And we we have our omni
[3:18] presence and we going from landmark to
[3:21] landmark, get familiar to area
[3:23] making sure everything's all right.
[3:25] >> You said if anybody had any concerns
[3:26] about coming to New York City about the
[3:27] safety or about terrorism, they
[3:29] shouldn't be.
[3:30] >> Well, the manpower of and police and and
[3:33] and presence of us it's is enormous.
[3:35] There's a lot a lot of manpower down
[3:36] here.
[3:37] I would be safe. I would feel safe.
[3:39] >> Thank you. Officer Maldonado, you said
[3:41] you guys heard about it, you were
[3:42] listening to it where? On the radio?
[3:43] >> Yes.
[3:44] >> What was your reaction when you heard
[3:45] about the air strikes?
[3:46] >> Uh
[3:47] a little bit surprised it was so soon. I
[3:49] was expecting maybe it it was be next
[3:51] few days.
[3:52] But, uh
[3:53] you know, I knew it was
[3:54] it was going to hear about it it was
[3:56] going to come eventually.
[3:57] >> Yeah. So,
[3:59] you said you were surprised by that it
[4:01] happened so quickly. Did it put you on a
[4:02] heightened sense of alert or make you a
[4:04] little bit more anxious about doing your
[4:06] job?
[4:07] >> Uh you know, I it pretty much already
[4:10] right after the president spoke. And you
[4:12] know, I would think
[4:14] you know, it would have been a taken a
[4:16] little more time, but you know, but you
[4:18] know, we're here. We're ready.
[4:20] So, you know, that's why we're out here
[4:21] tonight.
[4:22] >> Yeah, it seems like most people were not
[4:24] concerned about any terrorism because
[4:26] Times Square was full today at rush
[4:27] hour, was full during theater time, and
[4:29] even after the theater, after the
[4:30] president came out, people were watching
[4:32] him on the Jumbotron over there. So, it
[4:34] seems like it didn't affect tourism or
[4:36] people going out to enjoy themselves,
[4:37] and that's probably because of you guys.
[4:39] Thank you very much for joining us.
[4:40] >> It's our pleasure.
[4:41] >> We want to talk about some of the
[4:42] reaction that uh people had earlier
[4:44] tonight. We talked to some people in
[4:45] Times Square. One woman who was from
[4:47] Manhattan, Kansas. She has a son who is
[4:50] away uh in the Middle East now fighting.
[4:52] And here's what she had to say.
[4:56] >> We all pretty much expected that
[4:57] something would probably come down
[4:58] tonight or tomorrow.
[5:00] >> Yeah. What's the reaction of the folks
[5:02] you're with?
[5:03] >> Oh, all surprised, all concerned.
[5:06] Um
[5:07] all of this sort of a sense of
[5:08] inevitability. I think everybody knew
[5:10] that we were headed in this direction.
[5:12] And so, just concerned now for our
[5:14] troops who are there and um for our
[5:16] nation.
[5:17] >> made
[5:19] And obviously that's concern from
[5:20] everyone, concerned about the safety of
[5:21] the people there and concerned about the
[5:23] safety of the nation. Of course, you
[5:25] heard the New York City police officer
[5:26] saying that everything is fine here. Uh
[5:28] the mayor saying just yesterday or just
[5:30] this morning actually at the White House
[5:32] that in any city in America, in any city
[5:35] in the country, if you're going to be
[5:36] safe, it's going to be in New York City
[5:38] because of the amount of manpower and
[5:40] the precautions that they have taken.
[5:41] Back to you, Bianca.
[5:42] >> One quick question. You're talking about
[5:44] the amount of manpower, uh increased
[5:46] patrols in that area. Anything different
[5:49] than what we might have been seeing
[5:50] before in other heightened states of
[5:52] alert, maybe different kind of equipment
[5:54] that they're now using?
[5:56] >> Well, what you see now really in Times
[5:59] Square as well as well as other tourist
[6:01] attractions throughout the city, you see
[6:03] more police presence. You'll see
[6:04] bomb-sniffing dogs, some of the things
[6:06] they have out now. You'll see members of
[6:08] the National Guard on patrol. Also,
[6:10] these are things that you may not see
[6:12] and other ways that the police
[6:14] department and the city of New York is
[6:16] helping. What they're doing is they're
[6:18] providing air monitoring systems at
[6:20] street level throughout the city. And
[6:22] also that those Cobra teams and those
[6:24] Hammer teams that you heard the police
[6:26] officers talk about, those are people
[6:28] who are
[6:29] specialists who are trained in chemical,
[6:31] biological, and radiological attacks.
[6:34] And like as I said, those radiation
[6:36] sensors placed throughout the city.
[6:37] Also, the police officers
[6:39] just telling me this a short while ago
[6:41] that they have
[6:42] radiation sensors in their pagers. So,
[6:44] they have it on their persons and also
[6:46] at certain sites throughout the city.
[6:47] So, you'll see that, you'll see those
[6:49] bomb-sniffing dogs, and really just an
[6:51] increased police presence.
[6:52] >> All right, Don Lemon in Times Square.
[6:54] Thank you very much for that report. And
[6:55] Tim, he was just telling us about local
[6:57] reaction, people who were gathered there
[6:59] watching the president's speech, people
[7:01] feeling, you know, the pressure there.
[7:03] >> Mhm.
[7:04] >> Increased security in New York City,
[7:05] other major cities around the nation. I
[7:07] think it's interesting to hear the
[7:08] reaction coming in from around the
[7:09] world. Indonesia already saying they
[7:12] fiercely oppose this. The UK coming out
[7:14] and saying that Britain had no
[7:16] involvement in this attack at all.
[7:18] Russia's Prime Minister saying that he
[7:19] regrets this military action.
[7:21] >> There is also a word from the
[7:23] top defense official from Great Britain
[7:25] who says it is not long now until there
[7:27] will be a wider attack in Iraq. And as
[7:29] you mentioned, the word is coming out
[7:31] that Great Britain had nothing to do
[7:32] with this initial attack, but we assume,
[7:34] of course, they will be involved in
[7:36] subsequent attacks. And from Indonesia,
[7:37] there is this. Indonesia, by the way, is
[7:39] the world's most populous Muslim nation,
[7:41] and the president of Indonesia has now
[7:43] come out and they are very strongly
[7:45] opposed to this US led attack on Iraq
[7:47] and they now are urging the United
[7:49] Nations to call an emergency meeting and
[7:51] also we are hearing from Germany
[7:53] >> Germany the same thing
[7:54] >> their parliament wants to get together
[7:55] in a very short period of time here on
[7:57] this Thursday and discuss this. They
[7:59] have strong opposition as well. So we
[8:01] are getting world reaction from all
[8:02] around the globe.
[8:03] >> And we will of course continue to
[8:05] monitor this bringing you the very
[8:07] latest stay with MSNBC.
[8:28] >> Those are the latest pictures that we
[8:29] have from the Gulf region and that is
[8:30] quite clearly a missile launch that was
[8:33] headed towards Iraq.
[8:35] Much earlier. It was about 9:30 East
[8:38] Coast time when the bombing began. There
[8:42] was a surprise attack near Baghdad a
[8:44] bunker they had a bunker buster bomb
[8:47] that they dropped a tremendous bomb
[8:49] which is dropped in the skies over
[8:50] Baghdad because at the time US
[8:53] intelligence had indicated that some top
[8:54] Iraqi military officials may have been
[8:57] hunkered down in this bunker. So they
[8:59] decided on a surprise attack. So the war
[9:02] has clearly begun and now we are in the
[9:05] lull. Military officials and analysts
[9:07] now say that there will be another
[9:09] attack very likely will happen within
[9:11] the next hours and it sounds like Bianca
[9:13] it will be a very fierce and awesome
[9:15] attack.
[9:15] >> Okay and let's go and take a look at the
[9:17] latest headlines right now. 90 minutes
[9:20] after the 8:00 p.m. Eastern deadline to
[9:22] Saddam bombs as you saw fell on Baghdad
[9:25] >> [music]
[9:25] >> as the US targeted the Iraqi president
[9:27] and Iraqi leadership. Working on
[9:29] specific intelligence B-117 bombers
[9:32] [music] dropped a bunker busters on a
[9:34] target in Baghdad. No damage assessment
[9:36] as of yet.
[9:37] >> [music]
[9:38] >> And now Sky News in London reporting
[9:40] that troops in North Kuwait, they've
[9:42] been [music] instructed to put on gas
[9:43] masks in that area.
[9:45] Short time after the first strike,
[9:47] President Bush addressed the nation
[9:48] saying the bombing had started. He also
[9:50] warned that the conflict with Iraq would
[9:52] be longer and more difficult [music]
[9:54] than some people had predicted.
[9:56] Meanwhile, Iraqis heard from a defiant
[9:59] Saddam Hussein. He went on Iraqi
[10:00] television to accuse the US of
[10:03] committing a shameful crime. And he also
[10:05] [music] called on the people of Iraq to
[10:07] draw their sword and confront the
[10:09] invaders. We will of course recap the
[10:11] latest headlines in the [music] Iraq
[10:12] crisis for you every 15 minutes at the
[10:15] top of the hour. Sam.
[10:16] >> Thanks a lot, Bianca. And while those
[10:18] attacks were being conducted, just one
[10:20] note before we head to Carl Rochelle
[10:22] over at the Pentagon, about a thousand
[10:23] US troops in southern Afghanistan were
[10:25] conducting raids looking for members of
[10:27] Al-Qaeda. This was almost transpiring at
[10:29] about the same time the bombing began in
[10:32] Iraq. So US troops very, very busy all
[10:35] across the globe. Let's head to the
[10:36] Pentagon right now. Carl Rochelle
[10:38] standing by and Carl, we are presumably
[10:40] in the lull right now, are we not?
[10:42] >> Sam, that is the case. Apparently in the
[10:44] lull now, although I was cautioned that
[10:46] don't rule out any daytime attacks
[10:48] because of course you can fire uh cruise
[10:50] missiles either air-launched cruise
[10:52] missiles or Tomahawk cruise missiles in
[10:53] the daytime. They're unmanned. Uh puts
[10:55] no one at risk. If they can be seen,
[10:57] extremely difficult to shoot down. You
[10:59] can see them, but they're very small
[11:00] targets and move at about the speed of
[11:03] an airliner. It uses a air-breathing jet
[11:05] engine to to run them. And so some
[11:07] attacks could occur during the daylight.
[11:09] We quite frankly expect there to be a
[11:11] little bit of a lull in between. Sam,
[11:13] also a government source I talked to
[11:15] just a a few moments ago uh confirmed
[11:17] for us that uh in fact here's here's the
[11:20] way this all came down, the attack. Uh
[11:22] CIA Director George Tenet went to the
[11:25] White House uh yesterday afternoon and
[11:28] briefed President Bush, told him that
[11:30] they knew where Saddam and some of his
[11:32] top military leaders were, told him that
[11:34] they thought that he would be in this
[11:36] position in this house in Baghdad for
[11:39] quite some time, and they hurriedly
[11:42] changed a battle plan that had been
[11:44] carefully laid out and carefully
[11:45] orchestrated to add this one particular
[11:47] target in to hit it in Baghdad. Now, we
[11:50] now know that the target was hit with
[11:53] about three dozen Tomahawk cruise
[11:55] missiles fired from uh cruisers,
[11:57] destroyers, and submarines in both the
[11:59] Red Sea and the Persian Gulf. Also, two
[12:03] F-117s dropping EGBU 2,000-lb
[12:07] uh
[12:08] bunker buster Boy, that's a mouthful.
[12:10] Bunker buster 2,000-lb bombs. Uh they
[12:13] are guided by global positioning
[12:15] satellite systems. Also, the Tomahawk
[12:17] cruise missiles are guided by uh the the
[12:21] global positioning system also. Now, uh
[12:23] you saw Saddam Hussein making his speech
[12:26] on Iraqi television after all of this,
[12:29] and I was told by this official that it
[12:32] is likely that they may have missed him,
[12:34] but here here was the caution. Don't
[12:37] completely rule it out for a couple of
[12:39] reasons. Number one, uh this was clearly
[12:41] a tape. There is no reference in Saddam
[12:44] Hussein's address to the events that
[12:46] just happened, even though there's a
[12:48] dated reference in it. It could clearly
[12:49] have been ahead of date added into it.
[12:51] And you know, they wouldn't rule out a
[12:53] double. They said it probably is Saddam,
[12:55] but uh note that he was wearing glasses.
[12:57] He doesn't usually wear them. He was
[12:59] reading off of a steno pad, flipping the
[13:01] pages off as he read. He typically works
[13:03] off of a teleprompter, a very slick uh
[13:06] presentation, and uh this was not a
[13:08] slick presentation. It was sort of slow
[13:11] and steady. They say, "Don't rule out a
[13:13] a body double." Uh they didn't believe
[13:15] that's the case. They believe they
[13:16] likely is still alive, but don't base
[13:18] your decision that he escaped on the
[13:21] tape that you saw on the air of him
[13:23] making the address. So, still out there
[13:25] looking at battle damage assessment yet
[13:28] to come when the skies clear in there
[13:29] and they can get the the U-2 spy planes
[13:32] over or take a look down from one of the
[13:33] satellites and get a little closer look
[13:35] at it, but hard to tell exactly. Saddam
[13:38] Hussein is known to have had a number of
[13:40] body doubles, known to have
[13:42] spent the nights in different places.
[13:44] Very often during the last war, escaped
[13:48] any damage or any harm by staying in
[13:51] private residences instead of staying in
[13:52] his palaces. So, that is the way the the
[13:55] operation came down, Sam. That's that's
[13:57] what we're told by a high highly placed
[14:00] government source.
[14:00] >> Well, and Carl, what some may find a
[14:02] rather cruel and odd twist in all of
[14:05] this is the question now, and we've been
[14:07] asking this question about Osama bin
[14:09] Laden, is he indeed alive? And now after
[14:12] this initial attack and the video tape
[14:14] that we have seen within the past few
[14:15] hours of Saddam Hussein, that question
[14:18] arises again for him. So, now we are all
[14:21] debating whether or not Saddam Hussein
[14:22] is alive, whether or not Osama bin Laden
[14:24] is alive.
[14:26] Uh it it it is rather an interesting
[14:28] twist on this whole this whole story,
[14:30] this whole war, is it not?
[14:32] >> It it is, and I would suggest to you
[14:33] that it is extremely difficult to pin
[14:36] something like that down. Go back to the
[14:38] operation in Panama and Manuel Noriega
[14:41] and how difficult it was to pin him
[14:43] down. Smaller country, less people, a
[14:45] lot of forces in there, forces that had
[14:48] known that area for years and years. The
[14:50] US had a base in Panama. Still very
[14:52] difficult to pin Noriega down. Extremely
[14:54] difficult to pin pin Saddam Hussein
[14:56] down. He stays moving from house to
[14:58] house.
[14:59] >> Carl, when you describe that visit by
[15:00] George Tenet to the White House a week
[15:02] prior to the bombing, it gives you an
[15:04] indication the level of intelligence,
[15:06] and surprising maybe for many in the
[15:08] United States, the level of intelligence
[15:11] that the US has on the whereabouts of
[15:13] Osama bin Laden. It sounds as if the
[15:15] special ops forces are alive and really
[15:18] kicking within side Iraq's borders.
[15:21] >> Uh they are indeed, the special
[15:23] operations forces and some special units
[15:25] that operate with the Central
[15:27] Intelligence Agency. I I will tell you
[15:29] from a perspective, at one point, uh,
[15:32] many years ago, the CIA, the the current
[15:35] head of the CIA at that time, and I
[15:37] believe it was Admiral Stansfield
[15:38] Turner, decided that the way to go with
[15:40] gathering intelligence was to use
[15:41] satellites, overhead imaging, U-2
[15:43] planes, SR-71s, and that HUMINT, or
[15:46] human intelligence, was not that
[15:48] valuable. And they found during the Iran
[15:50] hostage taking that human intelligence
[15:52] was extremely valuable, and they needed
[15:54] to restructure it and recreate it. And
[15:56] the intelligence community has been
[15:57] trying to rebuild that intelligence
[15:59] component for some time. You may see
[16:02] some of this at work here. You may see,
[16:04] uh, US operatives operating in that
[16:05] area, but suffice to say that the
[16:08] intelligence operation, the special
[16:10] forces, people like the black berets,
[16:11] people like the, uh, the Delta Force
[16:14] that, uh, no one in the military will
[16:15] ever acknowledge exists, but in fact it
[16:17] does, uh, SEAL Team Six, uh, the, uh,
[16:20] special SEAL Team units, they have
[16:22] people all over. They've been in there
[16:23] for some time, and they've been
[16:24] operating for some time covertly. So,
[16:27] someone, you're absolutely right, is
[16:28] tracking Saddam Hussein, has a pretty
[16:31] good idea of where he is. And actually,
[16:33] that may be the indication of whether
[16:35] the person that they thought was Saddam
[16:37] Hussein was in that bunker escaped
[16:39] alive. Is that same intel that pointed
[16:40] where he was may ultimately be able to
[16:43] tell you that they did or did not get
[16:45] him.
[16:45] >> Carl, finally, I want to ask you this
[16:47] because we all expected to see the shock
[16:48] and awe campaign right off the bat, and
[16:51] that clearly did not happen. Is there
[16:52] any indication that, A, it will indeed
[16:54] take place, and B, when it might take
[16:56] place?
[16:57] >> I I think you will see a shock and awe
[16:59] campaign at some point, but, uh,
[17:01] one of the characteristics of this is is
[17:04] the military is trying to move forward
[17:06] and not telegraph what it's going to do.
[17:08] So, all the public information that they
[17:11] leaked out, if you will, about the way
[17:12] this campaign was going to go down, that
[17:14] the first strike would be, uh, just a a
[17:16] big bang with everything being knocked
[17:18] down. You know, and actually there was
[17:21] part of a plan that was put into effect
[17:22] today. It wasn't just this place in
[17:24] Baghdad they took down. They also hit
[17:26] targets in northern, southern, and
[17:28] western Iraq. They took down some
[17:30] airfield areas. They took down some
[17:31] units who were in there, more radar
[17:33] sites. So,
[17:34] a strike was apparently planned for this
[17:37] evening or last evening
[17:39] local time here in in Washington that
[17:42] took place. And what they did after CIA
[17:44] director Tenet briefed President Bush on
[17:47] the possibility of getting Saddam
[17:49] Hussein is that they diverted a couple
[17:51] of resources. They diverted a few
[17:53] Tomahawk cruise missiles and the F-117s.
[17:56] Easily direct redirecting the F-117s and
[18:00] with the the Tomahawk cruise missiles
[18:02] fairly easy to redirect them now because
[18:04] you program GPS coordinates in them,
[18:07] latitude, longitude of the target, and
[18:09] fire it in that direction. So, they
[18:11] reprogrammed and sent them in to hit
[18:13] this particular bungalow in Baghdad to
[18:15] take him down. So, something was in the
[18:17] works already and it wasn't that big
[18:20] splash that we had been looking for.
[18:21] >> All right, Carl Rochelle at the
[18:22] Pentagon. Thank you very much for
[18:24] getting us up-to-date. A number of
[18:25] developments to report for you at this
[18:27] hour. Number one, from the State
[18:28] Department, there is another warning
[18:30] that is going out to US citizens here
[18:32] and particularly abroad about the
[18:34] potential for terrorist attacks with
[18:35] regards to this. Also, I wanted to throw
[18:37] this in, Bianca. Uh Pakistan, once
[18:40] again, we know Pakistan has been
[18:41] opposed, but they are reiterating that
[18:43] from Reuters. They do not support this
[18:45] war with Iraq. They are now pushing for
[18:46] peace. And of course, there has been a
[18:48] call by a number of officials to have
[18:49] another meeting at the United Nations
[18:51] with regards to what is now a war in
[18:53] Iraq.
[18:54] >> That is Pakistan's reaction. This just
[18:55] came in from the president of Greece
[18:57] saying he does regrets that this could
[19:00] not have been solved peacefully.
[19:01] >> We will see that for the rest of this
[19:03] day, I am sure, more reaction.
[19:05] >> And before all of this started, all of
[19:07] the bombing started, there was warning
[19:09] given to Israel by the United States.
[19:11] Secretary of State Colin Powell
[19:13] telephone Israeli Prime Minister Ariel
[19:15] Sharon saying that the bombing was going
[19:17] to start. He told him that there was a
[19:19] specific target that was going to be
[19:21] attacked in Baghdad before the more
[19:23] comprehensive attack started. So, Israel
[19:26] did have warning of this before it all
[19:28] started. Keith Miller joins us now live
[19:31] from our Tel Aviv bureau and
[19:33] Keith we're talking about a place that
[19:34] was hit by 39 Iraqi Scud missiles during
[19:37] the Gulf War. How are the people there
[19:39] preparing this time around?
[19:43] >> Well, they're very well prepared in fact
[19:44] Bianca. I mean this country has been
[19:45] gearing up for this particular conflict
[19:48] for I would say months. In fact every
[19:50] person in the country all 6 million of
[19:52] them each have their own individual gas
[19:54] mask. They were warned about 24 hours
[19:56] ago to seal rooms within their homes
[19:59] using masking tape and plastic sheeting.
[20:02] And the same time they've also set up
[20:03] civil defense units within the well, I
[20:05] should say throughout the entire country
[20:07] to deal with any eventuality. At the
[20:09] same time they've got extraordinary air
[20:11] defenses here. Something called the
[20:13] Arrow missile killer which is an Israeli
[20:15] weapon which intercepts rockets almost
[20:17] above the earth's atmosphere. That's
[20:20] backed up by American man Patriot
[20:22] missile batteries. They're located in
[20:23] all the major population centers. So, I
[20:26] think many people in Israel probably had
[20:27] a pretty sleepless night last night once
[20:29] they understood that the war had in fact
[20:31] gone underway.
[20:33] Nothing here no air raid sirens no
[20:35] indication that there was any sort of
[20:36] Scud attack imminent in any way.
[20:39] You Today in fact the government telling
[20:41] everybody go about your life as normal.
[20:43] The schools are open. Some children are
[20:45] attending schools not many and the ones
[20:48] that are attending school are carrying
[20:49] their own individualized gas mask with
[20:52] them just for precautions. So, you have
[20:54] basically a nation very well prepared
[20:56] for any eventuality. At the same time
[20:58] very nervous. Iraq is not that far away
[21:00] and remains a very critical enemy of
[21:02] Israel. Bianca.
[21:04] >> For the everyday person how he and she
[21:07] is prepared uh carrying gas masks around
[21:09] sadly become a way of life there. And
[21:11] you also talked about this arrow missile
[21:14] killer system, that's a weapon. What
[21:16] about ground troops? Any reservists
[21:18] called up, prepared just in case?
[21:22] >> They have the reservists called up, but
[21:23] not primarily in terms of ground troops,
[21:25] but certainly to aid in any civil
[21:27] defense actions necessary in case of an
[21:30] attack. Also, they called up reservists
[21:32] to man those missile
[21:35] sites, backup crews if you will for
[21:37] those as well. But the civil defense
[21:39] units here in Israel, I mean, they've
[21:41] they've had 50 years of experience. This
[21:43] is an ongoing situation in this country.
[21:45] In fact, if there was any threat to
[21:46] Israel that I would think would be
[21:48] perhaps the most prominent would be a
[21:50] terrorist attack coming somewhere from
[21:52] Islamic Jihad or Hamas, one of the more
[21:54] radical Islamic groups. They always pose
[21:57] a threat to Israel and have for the last
[21:59] 28 months, more than 700 Israelis killed
[22:03] in in suicide bombing attacks from the
[22:06] Islamic groups. So, I think probably
[22:08] their biggest concern is in fact a
[22:10] terrorist strike in Israel. But of
[22:13] course, it would be going going with the
[22:14] the conflict with Israel, but I suspect
[22:16] what you'd have is some sort of
[22:18] declaration that this was for the people
[22:20] of Iraq somehow pig piggybacking onto
[22:22] that conflict, a conflict that is
[22:24] ongoing here in Israel.
[22:26] >> Keith, if you could discuss this, we saw
[22:27] Israel kind of stay by the sidelines
[22:29] during the '91 war, but this time around
[22:32] they have said they do have the right to
[22:34] retaliate. Could you comment on that?
[22:38] >> Well, I think they they they would
[22:39] always have to say that just to show
[22:40] that they are a sovereign state and that
[22:42] they are not a puppet of the United
[22:43] States. At the at the same time, I can
[22:45] assure you there is tremendous pressure
[22:47] on the part of the US government to keep
[22:49] Israel out of this conflict. They don't
[22:51] want the world which is you've just been
[22:53] reporting, which is already
[22:54] predominantly opposed to the American
[22:56] invasion of Iraq. They don't want this
[22:58] to be seen as an American-Israeli
[23:00] alliance against an Arab state. So, I
[23:02] think there's a lot of behind-the-scenes
[23:04] pressure on the government here not to
[23:05] react. I will say, however, that if this
[23:08] country is hit with a chemical or
[23:09] biological agent by Iraq, I'm not sure
[23:12] how the United States will be try to or
[23:13] will be able to contain the Israeli
[23:15] government from some sort of
[23:17] retaliation. I think at the same time we
[23:19] should remember back in '91, 39 SCUD
[23:21] attacks, the Israelis just kind of
[23:23] swallowed it, they kept their mouths
[23:25] shut, they kept their fingers off the
[23:26] buttons, no retaliation in that
[23:28] particular conflict. Again, because of
[23:30] American pressure not to give the
[23:32] impression that this is some sort of
[23:34] Israeli-American
[23:36] initiative against an Arab state.
[23:38] >> Okay, Keith Miller reporting for us from
[23:40] our NBC bureau in Tel Aviv. Thank you
[23:42] very much.
[23:43] >> Just about 3 hours after the first
[23:46] strike was launched in Baghdad, Saddam
[23:49] Hussein appeared on Iraqi state TV and
[23:51] he said during his speech, and I quote,
[23:53] "The criminal little Bush has committed
[23:55] a crime against humanity." That was
[23:57] during the speech that we heard and he
[23:59] attacked attacked, of course, the
[24:01] president of the United States. He said,
[24:02] of course, that Iraq would be
[24:03] victorious. With that, we want to head
[24:05] now to Washington, D.C. and Jessica
[24:07] Yellin who joins us right now. And
[24:09] Jessica, I want to tick off a few of the
[24:10] countries. We know Germany, Russia,
[24:12] France, of course, so they've been
[24:13] opposed to this from the get-go, but
[24:15] we're getting word now from a number of
[24:17] countries across the globe responding.
[24:19] China, Pakistan, Indonesia, Greece, just
[24:22] among a few who are condemning all of
[24:24] this and some even calling for a special
[24:26] meeting at the United Nations. What does
[24:28] the White House have to do on this day
[24:30] in addition to running a war in terms of
[24:33] trying to patch up this situation?
[24:35] >> Sam, you you hit the on the head. For
[24:37] the White House, there is a second
[24:39] battle. Of course, their focus first
[24:41] will be on the war itself and military
[24:43] action, but the president will also have
[24:46] to focus on the fight over public
[24:48] opinion both at home and abroad. You
[24:51] mentioned all those countries that have
[24:52] denounced this war effort. So, first
[24:54] let's look overseas. Now, the president
[24:57] demonstrated just how severely concerned
[24:59] he is about international opinion in his
[25:01] address to the nation last night. If you
[25:04] take a look at the tape of his address,
[25:06] it was in the first 20 seconds of that
[25:08] speech that he underscored international
[25:11] support. He said that 35 countries are
[25:14] giving crucial support from the use of
[25:17] their naval and air bases to help with
[25:18] intelligence, etc. Um his message here
[25:22] that despite international opposition,
[25:23] the US is not going it alone. Now, you
[25:27] ticked off the list of some of those
[25:28] countries that have already say they
[25:30] fiercely oppose this uh fight. Um and
[25:34] the president will have a struggle. He
[25:36] will have to win these countries back
[25:39] over by showing that
[25:41] Saddam Hussein is in fact a threat that
[25:43] the president has said he is all along.
[25:45] Specifically, he will have to show that
[25:48] Saddam does have the weapons of mass
[25:50] destruction that the Bush administration
[25:52] has been claiming he has. The president
[25:54] will need that to justify this war. And
[25:57] so, that will be a clear priority for US
[26:00] troops uh if they are able to overtake
[26:02] Baghdad if and when that happens. Now,
[26:04] that's overseas. Back at home though,
[26:06] there is another fight for public
[26:08] opinion, a message to the American
[26:10] people. In uh the lead-up to this uh
[26:13] struggle, there has been an assumption
[26:14] that this will be a quick battle and
[26:16] painless for folks here in the United
[26:18] States. The president tried to lower
[26:20] expectations there, saying the terrain
[26:23] in Iraq is hard and the campaign could
[26:25] be, quote, longer and more difficult
[26:27] than people expect. In other words,
[26:30] don't plan for this to be over by the
[26:31] end of the weekend. The president also
[26:34] reminded people the US presence in Iraq
[26:36] will last well beyond the battle stages.
[26:40] So, at the White House, uh there'll be
[26:42] many calls and um in the days and
[26:45] perhaps weeks ahead, they'll have to
[26:47] maintain a big public relations push
[26:49] throughout Operation Iraqi Freedom to
[26:51] get their message out, Sam.
[26:53] >> Well, quite clearly heading into this
[26:55] conflict, of course, the polls were very
[26:56] much in favor of the president and the
[26:58] White House, but time is not on their
[27:00] side. The more time passes in this
[27:02] conflict, of course, they suspect that
[27:04] support will erode. Let's talk about the
[27:06] members of Congress. There are some who
[27:08] are suggesting that a no war was
[27:10] officially declared by Congress here,
[27:12] that may be a violation of the
[27:14] Constitution, some may argue. And then
[27:16] there are those in Congress who are a
[27:17] bit critical. Senator Kerry, of course,
[27:19] who intends to run for president has
[27:21] been critical. Jessica, are you aware of
[27:23] anybody in Congress, any members of
[27:25] Congress who may have been brought on
[27:26] board prior to this? Do you know if the
[27:28] president made any phone calls?
[27:30] >> As far as the phone calls go, we
[27:32] understand the only person who actually
[27:34] received a phone call notifying them
[27:36] that the attack was going to happen
[27:37] isn't even a US citizen. It was Prime
[27:39] Minister Tony Blair of Britain. So,
[27:42] while many members of the Republican
[27:44] Party have been in close consultation
[27:46] with the president, as far as we know,
[27:48] no no specific calls to members of
[27:50] Congress.
[27:51] But the president was required to send a
[27:54] letter to Congress telling them that he
[27:57] planned to to attack. And that letter
[28:01] went out, it's dated March 18th.
[28:04] And that was required under the terms of
[28:06] a resolution that Congress passed
[28:08] authorizing this war. And the president
[28:10] said, I'll just read you a bit of it. He
[28:12] said that um
[28:14] he's determined that further diplomatic
[28:15] and peaceful means will not adequately
[28:17] protect the national security of the
[28:19] United States. That's his legal
[28:21] justification for this.
[28:23] You can bet this will play large in the
[28:26] presidential elections ahead. Already
[28:28] two Democratic contenders have made
[28:30] statements. Dennis Representative Dennis
[28:33] Kucinich denouncing the war, saying that
[28:35] it is not justified. And Senator John
[28:37] Edwards speaking out in support of it.
[28:40] And I'm sure we'll hear much more from
[28:43] various members of Congress in the
[28:44] coming days.
[28:45] >> Indeed, resolution or no resolution, you
[28:47] can bet constitutional scholars will be
[28:49] arguing this one for years. And you are
[28:51] very right about this, Jessica. This
[28:52] will be a political football come
[28:54] election time.
[28:55] >> It sure will.
[28:55] >> Okay, thanks so much for that. It is a
[28:57] 19 minutes past the hour, Bianca.
[28:59] >> All right, Sam. When we look at these
[29:01] attacks, we've seen them centering near
[29:03] Baghdad, also in the southern part of
[29:05] Iraq. Northern Iraq has been a big area
[29:08] of discussion in recent days, especially
[29:10] with uh Turkey's involvement in that
[29:11] area, seeing whether or not we could use
[29:13] airspace to enter Iraq through the
[29:15] north. Also, if we could ever get ground
[29:18] troops, more than 62,000 into northern
[29:21] Iraq through Turkey. Uh Preston
[29:23] Mendenhall joins us now from northern
[29:25] Iraq. Preston, what can you tell us of
[29:27] what what's going on in that area of
[29:28] Iraq right now?
[29:31] >> Bianca, the streets of northern Iraq are
[29:33] largely deserted right now. Uh you might
[29:36] be able to see a bit behind me. The city
[29:37] we're in is about 30 miles from the
[29:39] front line between the Iraqi troops and
[29:42] the Kurdish opposition forces, a front
[29:44] line that has been there for a dozen
[29:45] years, very well-established. What we
[29:48] have seen in the last few days, this is
[29:50] a war that the Kurds here, the minority
[29:53] in Iraq that occupy most of northern
[29:56] Iraq, it's a war that they have longed
[29:58] for for many years, but also feared at
[30:00] the same time. There have been thousands
[30:03] of them leaving areas controlled by
[30:05] Saddam Hussein's forces and fleeing
[30:08] north to try and put some distance
[30:09] between them and any potential conflict.
[30:12] They also fear, of course, the Kurds a
[30:15] chemical attack. One happened in 1988,
[30:18] it's a very well-known one
[30:20] in Halabja, in which 5,000 people were
[30:22] killed in one single attack. There were
[30:24] other similar ones as Saddam Hussein has
[30:27] sought to eliminate the Kurdish
[30:28] opposition over the years. Now, there
[30:31] are some developments here that we had
[30:33] expected uh once the bombs started
[30:36] falling, but obviously
[30:38] the decision to target Saddam Hussein
[30:40] early in this campaign and then a pause
[30:43] right now has meant that some of the
[30:45] developments we expected not happening
[30:47] right now, but let me go over with you
[30:49] some of the ones that we'll see probably
[30:52] when the massive the brunt of the US air
[30:55] assault and and land invasion begins.
[30:59] Notably, based on their Gulf War
[31:01] experience, Kurdish officials Kurdish
[31:03] military officials tell us that they
[31:05] would expect tens of thousands
[31:07] potentially of Iraqi soldiers and
[31:10] regular army divisions to surrender when
[31:14] the massive amount of bombs do start
[31:17] falling. That was the experience in
[31:18] 1991. They expect it to happen again.
[31:21] The front line I was describing to you
[31:23] between the Kurds forces and the Iraqi
[31:26] forces is largely manned on the Iraqi
[31:28] side by
[31:30] divisions of the Iraqi army, regular
[31:32] divisions, not the elite Republican
[31:34] Guard, but soldiers there's a low level
[31:37] of morale. They're demoralized, not well
[31:39] nourished, not well clothed. It's still
[31:41] is the spring here and quite cold. There
[31:45] have been reports of some of the Iraqi
[31:46] soldiers trying to get clothes from
[31:50] people who have been leaving Iraq. It's
[31:52] a fairly desperate situation and for
[31:54] that reason the Kurds here, the Kurdish
[31:56] military forces believe that they will
[31:58] see those thousands, perhaps tens of
[31:59] thousands of Iraqi soldiers surrendering
[32:02] once the larger campaign begins. Now,
[32:05] along the front lines also across just
[32:09] across them rather is the city of
[32:10] Kirkuk, about 60 miles from where I am.
[32:13] Kirkuk is the oil-rich city in Iraq's
[32:16] north, controlled by Saddam Hussein, but
[32:19] historically a Kurdish city. And it's a
[32:21] city where Kurds have been forced out of
[32:23] for years as part of a campaign by
[32:25] Saddam to Arabize Kirkuk and take
[32:28] control of it for himself and get rid of
[32:31] the Kurdish opposition.
[32:33] We would expect from sources we hear
[32:35] that special forces would go in and take
[32:37] Kirkuk and secure that right away in the
[32:40] next phase of a US mission. Back to you.
[32:42] >> Okay, Preston Mendenhall reporting for
[32:44] us from northern Iraq, an area
[32:46] full of Kurds that have left that area
[32:49] because of fear. They know all too well
[32:51] what can happen going back to their
[32:52] memories of 1988 when they were attacked
[32:55] by Saddam Hussein. Sam?
[32:57] >> Bianca, 3:23 on the East Coast, 12:23 on
[33:00] this Thursday morning on the West Coast
[33:01] and this just in from NBC's David Bloom.
[33:04] US commanders now say that the real air
[33:06] war has not yet begun. They tell David
[33:08] that the cruise missile strike Wednesday
[33:10] night on the East Coast and of course
[33:12] was Thursday morning in Baghdad was just
[33:14] a precursor preliminary. So again
[33:17] confirming what we have heard all along
[33:18] from Cutter and of course from the
[33:20] Pentagon that there is much more to
[33:22] come. Let's head now to our Middle East
[33:24] expert, Professor Walid Fares, who joins
[33:26] us now to talk more about this.
[33:28] Professor Fares, Saddam Hussein, no
[33:31] doubt you saw his speech. Very
[33:33] interesting discussion that took place
[33:35] here just a little bit ago about whether
[33:37] or not this tape is legitimate. And of
[33:39] course we have talked, you and I, I
[33:41] remember the discussion about Osama bin
[33:43] Laden's tapes, whether they were
[33:45] legitimate and now we are entering into
[33:47] this discussion and I know that this is
[33:49] hypothetical and maybe it's just
[33:50] something that we do at cocktail parties
[33:52] now. But whether or not this is real and
[33:55] whether or not he is alive after this
[33:57] initial bomb.
[33:58] >> Well, with Osama bin Laden it was where
[34:01] is Waldo? With Saddam Hussein, is he
[34:04] Waldo? That's the question today.
[34:06] Basically the assumption I go with is he
[34:08] is still alive until proven dead, not
[34:10] the other way around. And
[34:13] Saddam Hussein has also another reason
[34:15] not to accept that a clone would appear.
[34:17] It's ego. He he had eliminated so many
[34:20] people from public scene so he could
[34:22] take over. So psychologically speaking I
[34:24] would find it very difficult that he
[34:26] would accept the idea that a clone would
[34:28] would would take over. He would use
[34:30] those
[34:31] uh uh
[34:32] to uh to protect him on security level,
[34:34] but I I really doubt, psychologically
[34:37] speaking, and I may be wrong, that he
[34:38] would accept that somebody would go and
[34:40] take the lead.
[34:41] >> Uh correct me if I'm wrong. I've heard
[34:42] he's had like three or four body doubles
[34:45] that he uses very often. Uh
[34:47] is that true? And and and you talk talk
[34:49] a little bit about that. How realistic
[34:52] are they in terms of voice, appearance,
[34:53] so on?
[34:55] >> Basically, the the the body doubles, as
[34:57] they are called, it's not just three or
[34:59] four, there are even more than that. Uh
[35:02] many more. In fact, they are not used
[35:04] for close-ups. It's not somebody who
[35:05] looks exactly like him who could lead
[35:08] meetings or
[35:09] uh have
[35:10] normal activities very close to camera.
[35:13] These are people who would basically
[35:16] drive or are escorted or are sent as
[35:19] decoys in convoys whenever he wants to
[35:22] leave his palace, three convoys would
[35:24] leave at the same time, and you have
[35:26] these
[35:27] decoys in these convoys. This is the the
[35:29] the real reason why he has all these
[35:31] these
[35:32] models.
[35:33] >> I heard a very interesting interview
[35:35] earlier tonight with the General Norman
[35:36] Schwarzkopf who indicated that at the
[35:39] end of the Gulf War in the early 1990s,
[35:42] that apparently Saddam Hussein had a
[35:44] airplane fueled up and ready to go. He
[35:47] was ready to fly out of that country and
[35:49] go into exile. What do you know about
[35:51] that?
[35:51] >> Well, yeah, I I've heard the same story.
[35:53] It was confirmed by others as well.
[35:56] Let me put it that way, Saddam Hussein
[35:58] today has a plane, has a train, has a
[36:01] tunnel, has all the connections to exit.
[36:04] This is not someone who would want to
[36:07] really die. He wants to project the idea
[36:10] that he would be a martyr, but at the at
[36:11] the last minute, he what he hopes some
[36:14] sort of ceasefire, he is surrounded in
[36:16] his palace in the city. It's the model
[36:18] of West Beirut and Arafat, and suddenly
[36:20] the United Nations finally arrange for a
[36:22] ceasefire, and that would be his his
[36:25] honorable exit. He not someone who was
[36:27] really going to go all the way to die
[36:30] for for a for a regime that he has
[36:32] established.
[36:33] >> Do you think under any circumstances he
[36:34] would leave that country?
[36:37] >> 2% when he will see defections in the
[36:40] beginning of the campaign and he get
[36:43] real advice from his real allies
[36:46] across the Middle East and into Europe
[36:48] and Russia that we're not going to be
[36:49] able to do anything for you. 20% when
[36:53] large segments of Iraq would be freed or
[36:55] liberated in the north and the south as
[36:57] I said earlier. When he is going to see
[37:00] large Iraqi cities with Iraqi flag, with
[37:03] Iraqi Arab and Muslim and Kurds and
[37:06] others forming some sort of beginning of
[37:08] a cabinet and a criticizing him calling
[37:11] on the international community on the
[37:12] United Nations to basically try Saddam
[37:15] Hussein. This is the nightmare of Saddam
[37:16] Hussein, not shelling, not bombardment.
[37:19] And finally 80% when he is being
[37:21] surrounded in his palaces, one of his
[37:23] palaces, at this point uh he he will
[37:26] make arrangements for his allies to
[37:29] basically put some pressure to find an
[37:31] exit for him at that point.
[37:32] >> And Professor, I want to touch upon
[37:33] something that you and I talked about
[37:35] about 45 minutes ago with regards to
[37:37] that video tape that we saw of his
[37:38] speech earlier,
[37:41] uh about 2 or 3 hours ago as a matter of
[37:42] fact. You think uh this is him and you
[37:45] think that he is pretty shaken up by
[37:47] this first attack.
[37:50] >> Yes. I'm not the great expert in
[37:53] psychology of leaders, but when I look
[37:55] at this picture, first of all, someone
[37:57] said, you know, he doesn't wear glasses.
[37:59] In fact, maybe because now he needs to
[38:01] put his glasses, he basically needs to
[38:03] read Usually everything is scripted
[38:05] before.
[38:06] Uh this is his voice, Saddam Hussein's
[38:08] voice, and indeed I can recognize that
[38:10] this is after a shock. I may be wrong,
[38:13] but this is after a shock. And what gave
[38:15] me the impression that it was the case
[38:17] because this was broadcasted also on Al
[38:19] Jazeera. And after that, there were a
[38:22] number of ministers in his government
[38:24] really, really very upset and emotional
[38:26] talking about, you know, attack against
[38:28] Saddam Hussein and a crime. You know,
[38:30] when they talk about the crime, they
[38:32] meant, you know, Saddam Hussein to be
[38:34] killed.
[38:35] >> Uh one quick question. I don't have a
[38:36] lot of time, but I I've read something
[38:39] and and correct me again if I'm wrong
[38:40] about this man. Uh he's a street
[38:43] fighter. He he grew up on the streets.
[38:45] He knows how to duke it out a bit. Is is
[38:47] that his history?
[38:49] >> He's someone who's a survivor. Uh he's
[38:51] always this fighter.