Our World with Black Enterprise - 2006-12-02 (Obama interview)

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[0:01] Will the heroin twins get clean? Next,

[0:03] Dr. Phil House.

[0:29] Hello and welcome to Our World with

[0:31] Black Enterprise. I'm Ed Gordon. He

[0:33] dazzled us at the DNC with his speech on

[0:36] One America. Today, he's viewed as a

[0:38] rising star in US politics. On this

[0:40] edition, I traveled to Chicago to talk

[0:42] to the junior senator from Illinois.

[0:44] Barack Obama is our headliner.

[0:49] >> Senator, thanks for being with us.

[0:51] Appreciate it.

[0:51] >> Great to see you.

[0:52] >> Let me ask you, first of all, in terms

[0:54] of your tenure and time in the Senate, I

[0:57] know and I remember talking to you the

[0:59] first week and you said, "Look, you

[1:01] know, I need to get my feet wet. I need

[1:02] to find my sea legs." Have you done

[1:04] that?

[1:04] >> Well, I've been very happy with what

[1:06] we've gotten done given that I'm in the

[1:08] minority party. uh you know people talk

[1:11] a lot about seniority but actually the

[1:13] toughest thing is when you're in the

[1:15] party that doesn't control the agenda

[1:17] >> is that incentive for African-Americans

[1:19] many of whom have become disenfranchised

[1:21] with the political system with voting

[1:23] etc to understand that in order to see

[1:26] some of the things that they feel are

[1:27] most important. You really have to have

[1:29] the party you affiliate yourself with

[1:31] most often that's Democrats in power.

[1:34] Well, look, Democrats aren't perfect and

[1:36] and I want Republicans to be competing

[1:38] for Democratic votes because I think

[1:40] that's a healthy competition. But the

[1:42] bottom line is that uh politics

[1:45] shouldn't be a popularity contest. What

[1:46] it should be is us focusing on whose

[1:50] agenda is going to make the most

[1:51] meaningful difference. And if you look

[1:52] at the Democratic agenda, uh then what

[1:55] you're going to see, I think, is that uh

[1:58] the African-American community has more

[2:00] of an opportunity to advance uh with

[2:02] that agenda. You've talked about the

[2:03] need for a new narrative in this nation

[2:06] uh and the idea that we've heard Coen

[2:08] Powell talk about moral authority and

[2:09] whether the United States has lost it on

[2:11] a global states. Where do you stand with

[2:13] that?

[2:13] >> Well, I I think the idea of moral

[2:14] authority is important both domestically

[2:16] and internationally. I I think that what

[2:19] what we we've gotten ourself in a fix

[2:21] where um the Republicans talk a lot

[2:23] about private morality but don't display

[2:26] much public morality. uh you know

[2:28] they're not worried about Enron and CEOs

[2:31] who are ripping up communities and

[2:33] laying off folk and uh you know

[2:35] underfunding pensions for workers.

[2:37] You've got Democrats who are focused on

[2:39] those issues which I think are

[2:40] ultimately more important for government

[2:42] but don't spend enough time talking

[2:45] about the the cultural underpinnings

[2:47] that are important and nobody knows that

[2:50] more than the African-American

[2:50] community. This whole eitheror thing

[2:53] doesn't make sense. Often I have read in

[2:55] articles written about you, this is not

[2:57] you saying it, but authors saying this

[2:59] about you, that you don't necessarily

[3:01] see yourself as a black leader, that you

[3:03] see yourself as a leader. I don't know

[3:05] if this is someone casting that on you

[3:08] or whether that's the way you see

[3:09] yourself. How do you see yourself?

[3:11] >> I see myself as rooted in the

[3:13] African-American community, but not

[3:14] limited by it. See, typically the

[3:17] formulation is you've got a choice. uh

[3:20] you can either represent black folks or

[3:23] you can be beyond that and represent

[3:25] everybody. Well, my attitude is uh I can

[3:29] advocate fiercely on behalf of the

[3:31] African-American community. You know, if

[3:34] I'm advocating for better healthcare,

[3:36] nobody's hit harder than we are with the

[3:39] lack of adequate healthcare, but it's

[3:40] something that everybody is concerned

[3:42] about. So, I think that uh uh I I am

[3:45] happy and proud to be an

[3:47] African-American- elected official, but

[3:50] that doesn't mean that I can't represent

[3:52] everybody.

[3:53] >> Recently, you returned to Kenya,

[3:55] >> your father's homeland. Uh not your

[3:57] first visit there, but were really given

[3:59] a hero's welcome. some controversy after

[4:01] you spoke at the university when you

[4:03] talked about corruption and whether or

[4:05] not um people were being allowed to

[4:08] reach their best potential and you

[4:10] challenged them to look at um the

[4:12] corruption within government and

[4:13] challenge the government to look within

[4:15] and straighten out. Some would suggest

[4:17] that uh coming from the United States,

[4:19] you didn't have the quote moral

[4:20] authority to do that based on where we

[4:23] sit today on the world stage. A do you

[4:26] believe that? And B, what led you to

[4:27] that speech? Well, look, the uh uh few

[4:30] people have been more critical of George

[4:32] Bush's administration than I have. So,

[4:34] the I I I think that uh I hopefully tell

[4:38] the truth wherever I am, whether I'm in

[4:40] the United States or Kenya. Uh the fact

[4:44] is that Africa has enormous potential.

[4:47] We've seen progress on a whole wide

[4:49] range of fronts. In Kenya, for example,

[4:50] there is a genuine democracy that's

[4:53] going on that didn't exist 15 years ago.

[4:56] press is free there much more so than uh

[5:00] it was in the past. Uh but corruption

[5:04] remains crippling uh to a country like

[5:07] Kenya. I mean the fact is is that you

[5:08] know you can't start a business without

[5:10] paying a bribe. You can't import

[5:12] something without paying a bribe. Uh you

[5:14] can't build a building without paying a

[5:16] bribe. Uh you can't drive down the

[5:19] street and and make sure the cops aren't

[5:22] hassling you without paying a bribe. and

[5:24] all that crushes the spirit of people.

[5:27] Uh, and this is not something that I

[5:29] just read about because I've got cousins

[5:31] and uncles in Kenya and they're not

[5:34] wealthy and they're not influential. So,

[5:36] they're ordinary Kenyans and and they

[5:38] tell me their experiences. uh and it was

[5:41] based on those conversations not some

[5:44] abstract study that I'm doing uh from

[5:47] Washington DC but the word of people on

[5:51] the ground which is why after I made

[5:52] that speech in Nairobi uh the next

[5:55] morning in the hotel the cooks and the

[5:56] waiters came up and said thank you

[5:58] because this is what we believe. I know

[6:01] you you are asked at almost every

[6:02] interview. I already know the answer in

[6:05] the sense of whether or not '08 or down

[6:07] the road the presidency is something

[6:09] that you want to run for. Let me try

[6:11] this. Is it something you ever allow

[6:13] yourself to think about as a viable

[6:16] avenue for you?

[6:17] >> Oh, absolutely. I think that uh you know

[6:20] there's a joke that uh uh you know every

[6:24] senator in the Senate the day they

[6:25] arrive are already you know

[6:27] >> they're looking down the street

[6:28] >> looking down the street. Um uh and and

[6:31] and I would be foolish not to think

[6:34] about

[6:36] the most um uh influential position in

[6:39] my field, right? I mean, if you're

[6:41] playing baseball, you want to play in

[6:42] the major leagues. If you you know, if

[6:45] you're in broadcasting, you want to, you

[6:47] know, be like Ed Gordon.

[6:49] Yeah. Aspire a little higher. You're

[6:51] always aspiring to to to the top. Um but

[6:54] uh but what I also know is is that um uh

[6:58] it's the most important thing for me is

[7:00] to be useful. Uh and that if I do my job

[7:05] well now then opportunities will be

[7:08] available. If you force it, if you're

[7:10] only about ambition and not about what

[7:13] you're accomplishing, if you get ahead

[7:14] of yourself, then I think that's how you

[7:16] end up uh making mistakes.

[7:18] >> Well, we'll see. will continue to watch

[7:20] down the road to see if in fact you

[7:22] start to make that trek towards 1600

[7:24] Pennsylvania Avenue. Senator Barack

[7:26] Obama, thanks for being with us.

[7:27] >> It was great pleasure and thank you.

[7:33] >> When we return, HIV AIDS among

[7:35] African-American women, is it out of

[7:37] control or can it be stopped? We'll have

[7:39] that conversation in just a moment.

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[10:42] According to the Kaiser Family

[10:44] Foundation, African-American women make

[10:46] up nearly 70% of all new cases of HIV

[10:49] AIDS. 78% of those infected get the

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[10:55] Before we begin our discussion, let's

[10:57] hear from a group of women who talk

[10:58] about how AIDS has changed their outlook

[11:01] on life.

[11:02] >> I'm Loyce Brookshshire. I'm 44. Arlene

[11:05] Payne. I'm 25.

[11:07] >> My name is Ununice Lauraniano. I just

[11:09] turned 30.

[11:10] >> My name is Anita Parker. I am 59 years

[11:13] old.

[11:14] >> I think dating today um definitely as

[11:16] you get older changes. And I think that

[11:18] as long as I've been growing up, I've

[11:20] been bombarded with AIDS. So I think

[11:23] that like there's the exchanging of the

[11:25] papers that go on. If he isn't willing

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[11:28] interested. Men are lying today in

[11:30] record number. And that is proven by the

[11:33] statistics of African-American women

[11:35] today. And as a result of it, we are

[11:39] just trusting our men way, way too much.

[11:42] But we trust and love our men deeply. I

[11:44] feel that we we you know we don't want

[11:46] to alienate them by asking this

[11:48] question. So I think sometimes we won't

[11:50] want to lose him and we kind of abstain

[11:52] from asking the question because of

[11:54] that.

[11:54] >> There is no way to sugarcoat have you

[11:57] been tested for HIV? Do you know your

[11:58] status?

[11:59] >> A lot of women don't feel comfortable of

[12:01] asking those questions that I may ask or

[12:03] join me as everyone around this table

[12:05] may ask.

[12:05] >> I didn't know to ask the questions in

[12:08] 1990 that you better ask in 2006. AIDS

[12:11] impacts most of my decision-m when it

[12:13] comes to dating. I just think that it

[12:15] shaped my life.

[12:17] >> Now, on to our roundt discussion. With

[12:19] us today, Deborah Frasier House,

[12:21] president of the National Black

[12:22] Leadership Commission on AIDS, actress

[12:25] Cheryl Lee Ralph. She stars in her own

[12:27] play, Sometimes I Cry, which looks at

[12:29] the effect AIDS is having on black

[12:31] women. And finally, AIDS activist Maria

[12:33] Davis. Miss Davis was diagnosed with HIV

[12:36] in 1995. Ladies, welcome. Appreciate it.

[12:38] Uh Deborah, we should know we were

[12:39] talking before we got started here and

[12:41] we were all saying, "What's it going to

[12:43] take uh for in particular

[12:45] African-American women to hear these

[12:47] numbers and stop whatever they're doing

[12:50] that's causing this?"

[12:51] >> You know, we've been having a dialogue

[12:52] about this epidemic for the last 25

[12:54] years. But one of the things that has

[12:56] not changed is is as the the epidemic

[12:59] has evolved and our dialogue has

[13:00] remained the same. We're going to have

[13:02] to speak specific languages to specific

[13:05] groups of women. In 1987 when I started

[13:07] my agency, we weren't worried about

[13:10] black women being infected with HIV and

[13:12] AIDS. We have to worry about it now. If

[13:14] they're 20 years old and and they have

[13:16] an oops moment, it's not about I might

[13:19] be pregnant. It's about I might die. If

[13:21] they're if they're in their 30s now,

[13:23] they've grown up with this with this

[13:25] epidemic. They still need some they

[13:27] still need some clear foundation on

[13:29] what's going on. But surely Ralph, we

[13:30] just saw generations of young ladies

[13:32] speak to that issue from early 20s to

[13:34] late 50s and that oops moment um is not

[13:37] necessarily a factor for all of them.

[13:39] One has to start to question whether or

[13:42] not the candle glow and the wine starts

[13:45] to lose these numbers and you forget

[13:47] where you are.

[13:48] >> Absolutely. on Friday night.

[13:49] >> I think a lot of the times we have not

[13:51] had solid conversations about what it is

[13:54] to be a woman in the world today,

[13:57] especially a sexually liberated or free

[14:00] woman. There are no parameters set up

[14:03] for how you conduct yourself socially in

[14:06] life. I mean there no nobody says to to

[14:09] women these are the questions you need

[14:12] to ask nowadays. What's your status? Not

[14:15] your loan status. What's your HIV AIDS

[14:19] status? Do you sleep with women and men?

[14:22] Those are hard questions to ask. And if

[14:24] your self-esteem and your personal power

[14:27] is not in the right place, it's hard to

[14:30] say that to a man cuz you want one. And

[14:32] if you got one, you want to keep him.

[14:34] >> How much have we seen the advent of

[14:36] medicines that have kept people healthy

[14:39] be problematic in one sense? Because

[14:41] when it first came, it was almost a

[14:43] death sentence. people saw people waste

[14:45] away and that was frightening. You've

[14:47] been living with it for over 10 years.

[14:49] Talk to me about how that position may

[14:51] be problematic.

[14:52] >> Well, you know, that's how I got

[14:53] diagnosed with AIDS so quickly because I

[14:56] was afraid to take the medicine and

[14:58] there was no one out there that was an

[15:00] activist or no one out there saying,

[15:02] "Okay, sister, I have the virus, too.

[15:04] Let me talk to you about things that you

[15:06] can do." It's kind of I learned on my

[15:08] own. And um you know the medicines are

[15:11] good because it keeps us alive but you

[15:13] need to exercise. You need to um educate

[15:16] yourself because that's how I really

[15:18] have stayed around for the 11 years that

[15:21] I've been here. had people like Deborah

[15:23] to talk to Deborah Lavine Le Joyce and

[15:26] you know it's

[15:29] >> it's a different life with the medicine

[15:30] you know and I think that's one thing

[15:32] that you have to tell a lot of these

[15:34] young people just because you see a

[15:35] whole lot of folks on these pretty

[15:37] posters climbing mountains and things

[15:39] you think this is some sort of a

[15:40] disability it is not. Your life is

[15:44] forever changed. And there's certain

[15:46] things that go on within a woman's body

[15:48] that are just not that easy to get along

[15:51] with. And it is not a pretty picture for

[15:54] a lot of folks living with.

[15:56] >> Why are we seeing a different mode from

[15:58] the younger generation, the 20some who's

[16:01] lived with it their entire life? They

[16:03] didn't know this world without AIDS

[16:04] where we saw the young lady at 59 in our

[16:07] piece who really this is all new for

[16:10] her. So why aren't these younger women

[16:12] understanding this?

[16:14] >> Well, you in in most cases, you need the

[16:16] the reinforcement of the older women in

[16:19] your life. And the older women in our

[16:20] lives didn't grow up in HIV and AIDS.

[16:23] They grew up in a birth control pill

[16:25] era. So they had a different kind of

[16:27] concern when it came to protecting

[16:28] themselves. Now you're trying to teach

[16:30] black women over 50, which is one of the

[16:32] highest rising rates of new new

[16:34] infections. Now you have to renegotiate

[16:37] with a man. You have to tell him to use

[16:39] a condom. You have to ask him these very

[16:41] important questions that Cheryl was

[16:43] talking about. Cheryl is talking about.

[16:44] >> But Cheryl, how realistic is that when

[16:46] I've heard women say, "Oh, you know

[16:47] what? I'm starting to get closer to him.

[16:49] He doesn't want to use a condom. He

[16:51] tells me it doesn't feel the same."

[16:52] >> Any man who tells you he does not want

[16:55] to use a condom, is not thinking about

[16:57] you, and is not putting you first. And

[16:59] if you do not put yourself first in the

[17:02] relationship, something is wrong. Most

[17:04] doctors, most dentists will tell you

[17:06] when you as a patient come into their

[17:08] office, they treat everybody like they

[17:11] have AIDS. Everybody like they have AIDS

[17:14] because one, they value their practice.

[17:17] Two, they value themselves. So to keep

[17:19] everything on the up and up, anybody who

[17:21] comes through the door, they've got

[17:23] AIDS. That's how you've got to look at

[17:25] your relationship with men. You are the

[17:27] first line of defense. You have to make

[17:29] sure that you protect yourself. And

[17:31] Deborah, isn't it important because

[17:33] often we end up talking about the

[17:35] downlow and not the disease.

[17:36] >> That's right. And that's wasted time. We

[17:39] we have to we have to come to the

[17:40] realization that right now a woman's

[17:43] mode of protection and in the case of

[17:45] the download is based on somebody else

[17:47] self-reporting the truth. We can't leave

[17:49] that up to somebody else self-reporting

[17:51] the truth because people have not been

[17:53] honest and that's how women are getting

[17:55] infected.

[17:55] >> Well, we hope that this just starts

[17:57] discussion in the homes and people

[17:58] continue. As we say, we've been doing it

[18:00] a long time and we can't continue but to

[18:03] shepherd the idea that this is serious.

[18:05] We're talking about life and death,

[18:06] ladies. Thank you so much.

[18:07] >> Thank you. Talk to your kids. Get the

[18:09] message out. Don't be shy about

[18:11] >> Don't be shy about sex cuz a lot of

[18:13] folks are having it.

[18:14] >> All right. Thank you, lady. And thank

[18:15] you, Sher. All right. Up next in our

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