World News Tonight (ABC) - 1998-09-21
Channel: malgent
Transcript
Language: English (original, YouTube automatic captions)
[0:03] On a special edition of World News
[0:04] Tonight, the president's testimony
[0:06] before the grand jury.
[0:08] >> I'm trying to be honest with you and it
[0:10] hurts me and I'm trying to be tell you
[0:11] the truth about what happened between
[0:13] Miss Lewinsky and me.
[0:15] >> Did Mr. Clinton tell the truth? And now
[0:18] that his testimony will be seen by
[0:20] millions of people, what will it mean to
[0:23] his future?
[0:32] From ABC News World Headquarters in New
[0:34] York, this is a special 1-hour edition
[0:37] of World News Tonight with Peter
[0:39] Jennings.
[0:41] >> Good evening, everyone. We've never
[0:42] before seen a president testify to a
[0:44] grand jury. And in the first few minutes
[0:46] when it began this morning, it was a
[0:48] shock to simply see him there. When he
[0:51] was over 4 hours later, there were any
[0:53] number of reactions. There is no way to
[0:55] predict at this early stage what the
[0:57] impact will be on public opinion, but
[1:00] our intention in this hour is to play
[1:02] some of the important portions of the
[1:03] testimony and then to report on the
[1:05] testimony as it pertains to the
[1:07] president's legal and political future.
[1:10] The Independent Council's report to the
[1:12] Congress, remember, is about perjury and
[1:14] obstruction of justice. And yes, there
[1:16] is quite a lot about the president's
[1:18] definition of sex in this videotape,
[1:21] some of which is not suitable for
[1:23] children. We begin with part of the
[1:25] president's opening statement about his
[1:27] relationship with Monica Lewinsky.
[1:32] These encounters did not consist of
[1:34] sexual intercourse.
[1:36] They did not constitute sexual relations
[1:38] as I understood that term to be defined
[1:41] at my January 17th, 1998
[1:45] deposition.
[1:47] But they did involve an appropriate
[1:50] intimate contact.
[1:52] What did you believe
[1:55] beyond the definition to include an
[1:58] expert? What kinds of activities?
[2:02] I thought the definition included any
[2:04] activity by the the person being deposed
[2:07] where the person was the actor and uh
[2:10] came in contact with those parts of the
[2:12] bodies with the purpose of intent or
[2:14] gratification
[2:15] and excluded any other activity.
[2:20] For example, kissing is not covered by
[2:21] that, I don't think. Yes, I understood
[2:24] the definition to be limited to to
[2:27] physical contact with those areas of the
[2:29] body with the specific intent to arouse
[2:32] or gratify. That's what I understood it
[2:35] to be. And I believe that is the
[2:37] definition that most ordinary Americans
[2:40] would give it. If you said Jane and
[2:43] Harry have a sexual relationship
[2:46] and you're not talking about people
[2:47] being drawn into a lawsuit and being
[2:49] given definitions and then a great
[2:51] effort to trick them in some way. But
[2:52] you're just talking about people in
[2:54] ordinary conversations. I'll bet the
[2:56] grand jurors if they were talking about
[2:58] two people they know and said they have
[2:59] a sexual relationship, they meant they
[3:01] were sleeping together. They meant they
[3:03] were having intercourse together. So,
[3:04] I'm not at all sure that this affidavit
[3:06] is not true and was not true in Miss
[3:08] Lewinsky's mind at the time she swore it
[3:10] out.
[3:11] >> So, your definition of sexual
[3:15] relationship is intercourse only. Is
[3:18] that correct?
[3:20] >> No, not necessarily intercourse only,
[3:22] but it would include intercourse. I
[3:24] believe I believe that the common
[3:26] understanding
[3:28] of the term if you say two people are
[3:30] having a sexual relationship most people
[3:31] believe that includes intercourse
[3:34] >> is oral sex performed on you
[3:38] uh within
[3:40] that definition as you understood it
[3:43] >> as I understood it it was not no if the
[3:45] person being deposed in this case me
[3:49] directly touched the breast of another
[3:52] person with the purpose to arouse or
[3:56] gratify under that definition that would
[3:59] be included. My testimony is that I did
[4:02] not have sexual relations as I
[4:05] understood this term to be defined. I
[4:08] have not had sex with her. As I define
[4:09] it, that was true.
[4:11] >> And Monica Lewinsky says that while you
[4:13] were in the Oval Office area, you
[4:15] touched her breast. Would she be lying?
[4:20] >> That is not my recollection. My
[4:22] recollection is that I did not have
[4:23] sexual relations with Miss Winsky and
[4:25] I'm staying on my former statement about
[4:27] that.
[4:28] >> If she my my my statement is that I did
[4:31] not have sexual relations as defined by
[4:34] that.
[4:35] >> If she says that you kissed her breast,
[4:37] would she be lying?
[4:39] I'm going to revert to my former
[4:41] statement.
[4:41] >> Okay. If Monica Lewinsky says that while
[4:44] you were in the Oval Office area, you
[4:46] touched her genitalia, would she be
[4:47] lying? That calls for a yes, no, or
[4:50] reverting to your former statement?
[4:52] >> I will revert to my statement on that.
[4:54] >> If Monica Lewinsky says that you used a
[4:56] cigar as a sexual aid with her in the
[4:58] Oval Office area, would she be lying?
[5:02] >> Yes, no, or or won't answer.
[5:04] >> I will revert to my former statement.
[5:06] >> The grand jury would like to know, Mr.
[5:08] President, why it is that you think that
[5:11] oral sex performed on you does not fall
[5:14] within the definition of sexual
[5:16] relations as used in your deposition?
[5:20] Because
[5:25] that is
[5:27] if the deponent is the person who has
[5:29] oral sex performed on them, then the
[5:32] contact is with not with anything on
[5:36] that list, but with the lips of another
[5:38] person. I had inappropriate intimate
[5:41] contact.
[5:42] I take full responsibility for it. It
[5:44] wasn't her fault. It was mine.
[5:48] Uh I I do not believe that I violated
[5:52] the definition of sexual relations I was
[5:54] given by directly touching those parts
[5:57] of her uh body with the intent to arouse
[6:01] or gratify.
[6:03] And
[6:05] that's all I have to say.
[6:08] >> Just a couple of things here. You notice
[6:09] they're taking excerpts from that
[6:11] testimony. We uh we do our best to make
[6:13] sure that they do not misrepresent the
[6:15] president's testimony in any way, shape,
[6:16] or form. We're joined by our legal
[6:19] analyst, Jeffrey Tubin. Jeffrey, um
[6:22] president reverts to his former
[6:24] statement time and time again there.
[6:26] Help us understand what's the point. Is
[6:27] this about the charges of perjury?
[6:29] >> This is really all about perjury. And in
[6:31] fact, those excerpts we just saw,
[6:33] they're really a road map of the
[6:34] impeachment battle to come. Because the
[6:37] heart of Kenar's case against Bill
[6:39] Clinton is that he lied about whether he
[6:42] had sexual relations with Monica
[6:44] Lewinsky, even as he understood that
[6:47] term to be defined. And also that he
[6:49] lied about what precisely he did with
[6:51] her, where and how he touched her. And
[6:54] all of those statements, just about all
[6:56] of them, Kenstar alleges are false and
[6:58] prejurious. I
[6:59] >> I noticed at one point that the grand
[7:01] jury seemed a little impatient with the
[7:03] president.
[7:03] >> Well, it was interesting. I mean, there
[7:04] was a lot of lawyer talk today uh from
[7:07] both the law the the prosecutors and uh
[7:09] the president, but the the the grand
[7:11] jury really seemed to cut through it and
[7:13] they said, "Come on, did is is oral
[7:15] sex?" And the president stuck to his
[7:17] position of saying, "No, it's not as far
[7:19] as he understood that term."
[7:20] >> Let me turn to ABC's Jackie Jud who's
[7:22] covered this uh covered this from the
[7:23] very beginning. Jackie, um Monica
[7:25] Lewinsk's testimony was also released
[7:26] today, though not in video tape form. Do
[7:28] you see inconsistencies between her
[7:30] testimony and the president's? There is
[7:32] one key inconsistency, Peter, and it is
[7:34] this. In the grand jury testimony where
[7:37] we just saw the president, he
[7:39] essentially denied that he touched
[7:41] Monica Lewinsky in any way with the
[7:43] intention to arouse her. Monica Lewinsky
[7:47] gives some very detailed descriptions of
[7:49] the nine or 10 sexual encounters they
[7:51] had in the Oval Office complex in which
[7:54] he describes just that, that Mr. Clinton
[7:56] did touch parts of her body. That's
[7:59] important here, Peter, because it goes
[8:00] to the issue of perjury, not so much in
[8:03] the civil deposition back in January,
[8:05] but before the grand jury in August.
[8:07] >> Thank you both very much. We'll come
[8:08] back to both of you before this
[8:09] broadcast is finished. In just a moment,
[8:12] the president's memory, a worldass
[8:14] memory, says one of his friends.
[8:19] >> This is World News Tonight with Peter
[8:22] Jennings, brought to you by AT&T.
[8:27] Hey
[8:31] Matt, got your email. Vancouver genius.
[8:35] Pass it on to EPS. He's running it
[8:36] through the Northwest.
[8:38] >> Hey Matt, idea is a hit in the
[8:40] Northwest.
[8:42] I've got purchasing checking suppliers.
[8:45] >> Uh-uh. You want it up top? Client
[8:48] briefing. Your Vancouver idea.
[8:52] >> Want to take your business to the next
[8:53] level?
[8:57] How do these monks eat all these gassy
[9:00] foods and still maintain their vow of
[9:02] silence? With Pino. It has a natural
[9:05] food enzyme that helps stop gas before
[9:08] it starts. Bino before, quiet after. At
[9:12] Uni Royal, in order to make a point
[9:14] about our new nail guard tires, we added
[9:16] a few to our test track.
[9:20] Nail guard types designed to seal 90% of
[9:22] tread punctures instantly and
[9:25] permanently. Only from Uni Royal.
[9:30] >> It's back. And this time there's
[9:32] something new. Now there's a wind tunnel
[9:34] that's self-propelled.
[9:37] >> New self-propelled wind tunnel.
[9:46] It goes without saying the president
[9:47] would have preferred for the whole world
[9:49] not to see his videotape testimony.
[9:51] While he was everywhere on television
[9:52] today, his public focus was on
[9:54] international events. He spoke before
[9:56] the United Nations General Assembly
[9:59] making a call to fight terrorism around
[10:01] the world more effectively. We'll have
[10:03] another word about that towards the end
[10:04] of the broadcast. Anyone who watched all
[10:07] four hours of the president's testimony
[10:09] today could not help but notice how many
[10:11] times the president said he didn't know
[10:13] or couldn't recall or couldn't remember
[10:15] about what he was being asked. By our
[10:17] count, he said some variation of that at
[10:20] least
[10:22] 148 times. ABC's Sam Donaldson watched
[10:25] the testimony with us this morning. Sam,
[10:27] it's yours.
[10:28] >> Well, Peter, no one has a perfect
[10:30] memory, and it's no surprise when
[10:31] anyone, under oath or not, can't
[10:33] remember everything. But in the context
[10:35] of the Star investigation, the
[10:36] president's highly imperfect memory is
[10:38] both controversial and potentially a
[10:41] factor in charges of perjury.
[10:44] For instance, in the president's Paula
[10:45] Jones deposition last January 17th, the
[10:48] president kept insisting that he could
[10:49] not recall for certain having ever been
[10:52] alone with Lewinsky. Before the grand
[10:54] jury, the president admitted to having
[10:56] been alone with Lewinsky on
[10:57] approximately nine separate occasions.
[10:59] Although he wanted to argue the
[11:00] definition of the word alone.
[11:03] >> You were alone with Monica Lewinsky,
[11:05] weren't you?
[11:08] >> Well, it again depends on how you define
[11:10] alone. Yes, we were alone from time to
[11:13] time even during 1997 even there there
[11:16] was absolutely no improper contact
[11:18] occurring. Yes, there that is accurate.
[11:21] Uh but there were also a lot of times
[11:24] when um even though we no one could see
[11:28] us, the doors were open to the halls on
[11:30] both ends of the hall. People could
[11:32] hear. Uh there were a lot of times when
[11:34] we were alone, but I never really
[11:36] thought we were.
[11:37] >> But on one particular date, the
[11:38] prosecutor elicited an unqualified
[11:40] answer.
[11:41] >> You were alone with her on December
[11:43] 28th, 1997.
[11:44] >> Yes, sir. I was. In the Paula Jones
[11:46] deposition, the president was asked,
[11:48] "Have you ever given any gifts to Monica
[11:50] Lewinsky?" His reply, "I don't recall.
[11:53] Do you know what they were?" Under
[11:55] questioning by Jones attorneys, the
[11:57] president did recall a few gifts, but he
[11:59] did not mention a series of gifts that
[12:01] he now acknowledges he gave Lewinsky
[12:03] during their December 28th meeting just
[12:06] about 3 weeks earlier. Why didn't he
[12:08] mention that? The prosecutors wanted to
[12:10] know. They didn't ask me about the
[12:14] about the Christmas gifts and I don't
[12:16] know why I didn't think to say anything
[12:18] about it.
[12:19] >> Also last December on the 19th, the
[12:21] president met at the White House with
[12:22] his friend Vernon Jordan and he
[12:24] acknowledged in his grand jury testimony
[12:26] that they talked about Monica Lewinsky's
[12:28] subpoena to testify in the Jones case.
[12:31] But in his Paula Jones deposition, the
[12:33] president said he didn't think he'd talk
[12:35] to anyone about that except his lawyers.
[12:38] How to square that.
[12:39] >> Mr. President, 3 and 1/2 weeks before
[12:42] Mr. Jordan had made a special trip to
[12:44] the White House to tell you Miss Winsky
[12:46] had been subpoenaed. She was distraught.
[12:49] She had a fixation over you. You
[12:51] couldn't remember that 3 and 1/2 weeks
[12:53] later.
[12:56] Mr. Weisenberg, if they had access to
[12:58] all this information
[13:00] from their conversations with Linda
[13:04] Trip, if that was the basis of it, they
[13:07] were free to ask me more questions. They
[13:09] may been trying to trick me.
[13:10] >> Can you tell the grand jury what is
[13:12] tricky about the question? Did anyone
[13:14] other than your attorneys
[13:17] ever tell you?
[13:18] >> No, there's nothing. I'm just telling I
[13:19] have explained. I will now explain for
[13:21] the third time. Sir,
[13:22] >> perhaps even more delicate is the
[13:24] president's memory as to why he didn't
[13:25] jump in and correct a misstatement made
[13:27] by his attorney at the Paula Jones
[13:29] deposition, Bob Bennett. At one point,
[13:31] in front of Mr. Clinton. Bennett told
[13:33] the judge that Lewinsky had sworn an
[13:35] affidavit that quote, "There is
[13:37] absolutely no sex of any kind in any
[13:40] manner, shape, or form with President
[13:43] Clinton." The president remained silent.
[13:46] >> Do you agree with me that if he misled
[13:49] Judge Wright in some way that you would
[13:51] have corrected the record and said,
[13:54] "Excuse me, Mr. Bennett." Uh, I think
[13:56] the judge is getting a misimpression by
[13:58] what you're saying.
[14:01] >> If Mr. minute was representing me. I
[14:02] wasn't representing him
[14:05] and I wasn't even paying much attention
[14:07] to this conversation.
[14:08] >> And once again, the president wanted to
[14:10] argue definitions.
[14:11] >> The statement that there was no sex of
[14:14] any kind in any manner, shape, or form.
[14:17] President Clinton was an utterly false
[14:20] statement. Is that correct?
[14:25] >> It depends upon what the meaning of the
[14:27] word is. Yes.
[14:32] If the if he if is means is and never
[14:35] has been, that is not a that's one
[14:37] thing. If it means there is none, that
[14:41] was a completely true statement.
[14:43] >> Finally, on memory, the president said
[14:45] his once excellent memory had been
[14:47] degraded and to some extent the
[14:49] prosecutors were to blame.
[14:51] >> I have been blessed and advanced in my
[14:54] life with a good memory.
[14:56] I have been shocked and so have members
[14:58] of my family and friends of mine
[15:01] at how many things that I have forgotten
[15:05] in the last six years. But I think
[15:08] because of the pressure and the pace and
[15:10] the volume of events in a president's
[15:12] life compounded by the pressure of your
[15:16] four-year inquiry
[15:20] and all the other things that have
[15:23] happened. I'm amazed there are lots of
[15:25] times when I literally can't remember
[15:27] last week.
[15:28] >> And when it comes to memory, Peter,
[15:30] sometimes age is a factor, although
[15:31] perhaps not in the case of Mr. Clinton.
[15:34] But when Ronald Reagan was leaving the
[15:35] White House in his late 70s, he said
[15:37] once, "Ah, memory. 50 years ago is
[15:41] crystal clear. Yesterday is up for
[15:43] grabs." Sam, just hang on for will you
[15:46] for one second because there are not
[15:47] many analysts in the country today who
[15:48] know uh President Clinton as well as
[15:51] does ABC's George Stephanopoulos who
[15:53] watched the testimony with us today.
[15:54] George, any surprises for you today and
[15:56] what you saw?
[15:57] >> Well, I think the president was
[15:58] surprised a few times during the
[16:00] testimony. When he first heard about the
[16:02] cigar, you saw him recoil. When he heard
[16:06] that they had evidence of phone calls he
[16:07] made to Kathleen Willie, he seemed
[16:09] surprised. And also when he was
[16:11] questioned about the tie Monica Lewinsky
[16:13] supposedly gave him, you saw a tactic
[16:15] the president used when he was
[16:16] surprised. He tried to buy time by
[16:18] asking more questions. But overall, you
[16:21] just saw the Bill Clinton that a lot of
[16:23] us who worked for him have seen for a
[16:24] long time. Many sided, angry, charming
[16:26] at times, certainly a good lawyer um and
[16:29] also evasive at times.
[16:31] >> And and as a lawyer, is the president
[16:33] inclined to be well briefed before he
[16:35] goes into a situation like this?
[16:36] >> Oh, certainly. He was he was clearly
[16:38] well brief and that's why there were
[16:39] only a few surprises during the course
[16:41] of the testimony. I think the only time
[16:43] his lawyers might have gotten upset is
[16:45] there were sometimes when he seemed to
[16:46] go on a little long and try to
[16:48] overexlain himself and you could hear
[16:49] David Kendall sometimes interrupt to
[16:51] stop him. A
[16:52] >> very quick convers a question for Sam
[16:53] Donaldson is still at the White House.
[16:55] Sam, they've had several hours to absorb
[16:57] this. How do they think they did?
[16:59] >> Well, the White House people say they
[17:01] think he did pretty well. Uh, as you
[17:03] know, Mike Mccur has made a statement
[17:05] which he said none of this, no matter
[17:07] what you heard or saw, rises to the
[17:09] level of impeachable offense. They
[17:10] believe that they got by with the very
[17:13] least amount of damage. But then again,
[17:15] Peter, it's not poking a stick at them
[17:17] to say that's what you would expect them
[17:19] to say, isn't it?
[17:20] >> And it's early days. Thank you, Sam.
[17:21] We'll come back to you a little later in
[17:22] the broadcast. When we come back, right
[17:24] now, the president's personal secretary.
[17:26] Did the president try to influence Betty
[17:29] Curry's testimony?
[17:36] One minute mocks
[17:38] >> in hospitalies they work fast beta
[17:41] sprints medicines that work fast and for
[17:44] heartburn the number one choice of
[17:46] hospitalarmacies is 1 minute mocks not
[17:49] pepsidac goes to work on stomach acid in
[17:52] 1 minute pepsidac could take over 45
[17:54] minutes to affect acid hospitalarmacies
[17:57] count on the speed of one minute
[17:58] mailocks shouldn't you
[18:00] >> the number one choice of
[18:01] hospitalarmacies. It's not Pepsi AC,
[18:03] it's one minute mailocks.
[18:07] >> Carol Johnson believes the mammogram
[18:09] reminder card we sent her saved her
[18:12] life. Carolyn Skipworth believes her
[18:15] early colon cancer screening saved her
[18:17] life. If it's hard for you to believe
[18:20] that our long-standing commitment to
[18:22] preventive care and early detection
[18:24] actually makes a difference, we have
[18:27] proof. Living proof.
[18:30] We're Etna US healthcare
[18:32] raising the quality of health care in
[18:34] America.
[18:37] >> From now on, embarrassing odor for
[18:39] bladder leakage won't stop me from going
[18:41] where I want to go or doing what I want
[18:43] to do. And it shouldn't stop you.
[18:45] >> Introducing A&D personal care products
[18:47] for bladder leakage in soothing dry
[18:49] lotion and cleansing towelettes. It's
[18:51] the first line of products made to
[18:53] capture and eliminate urine odor on
[18:55] contact and soothe irritated skin.
[18:57] Ordinary lotions or wipes can't do that.
[19:00] >> You'll feel fresh, clean, and odor-free
[19:02] all day. New A&D personal care. A&D as
[19:05] an odor-free.
[19:06] >> Are we going to have a good time
[19:08] tonight?
[19:08] >> Bye, Dad.
[19:09] >> Thanks for jumping in and watching,
[19:10] Tyler.
[19:11] >> Bye, mommy.
[19:12] >> Bye, baby.
[19:12] >> There he goes.
[19:13] >> If you knew you were going to be a
[19:15] babysitter today.
[19:16] >> Oh. Uh-oh.
[19:18] >> Glad it wasn't my teeth.
[19:20] >> You would have made sure you used your
[19:21] fixant.
[19:23] >> Come here.
[19:24] >> Oh, what are you doing?
[19:27] Hey, smart move. You did use your Pix.
[19:30] So now you're ready to wait
[19:31] >> for just about anything. Nothing holds
[19:34] stronger than Pix, guaranteed.
[19:41] >> One of the allegedly impeachable
[19:42] offenses that Kenneth Star enumerates is
[19:44] that Mr. Clinton tampered with a
[19:46] witness, that he tried to obstruct
[19:48] justice by influencing the testimony of
[19:50] his personal secretary, Betty Curry.
[19:52] what the president said to her and what
[19:55] she did is very much at the center of
[19:57] all this. So once again, we go to ABC's
[19:59] Jackie Jut.
[20:01] >> Peter, it was Betty Curry who sometimes
[20:03] helped arrange President Clinton's
[20:05] liaison with Monica Lewinsky. And so it
[20:08] was Betty Curry the president urgently
[20:10] reached out to after he was blindsided
[20:13] with detailed questioning about Lewinsky
[20:15] by lawyers for Paula Jones.
[20:18] Prosecutors alleged that in two
[20:20] conversations with Curry, Mr. Clinton
[20:22] tampered with a witness that he tried to
[20:25] gain Curry's support in backing up his
[20:27] false statements to Jones's lawyers. The
[20:30] president testified that he was only
[20:32] trying to refresh his own memory by
[20:34] comparing it to what Curry recollected.
[20:37] >> And I wanted to know what Betty's memory
[20:38] was about
[20:40] uh what she heard, what she could hear.
[20:44] And uh what I did not know was I did not
[20:49] know that. And I was trying to figure
[20:50] out I was trying to figure out in a
[20:52] hurry because I knew something was up.
[20:54] >> So you wanted her memory for what she
[20:56] remembered and that is that's correct.
[20:57] Whether she remembered nothing or
[20:59] whether she remembered an inappropriate
[21:02] intimate.
[21:03] >> No no I didn't ask her about it in that
[21:05] way. I asked her about what the what I
[21:08] was trying to determine was whether my
[21:11] recollection was right that she was
[21:12] always
[21:14] uh in the office complex when Monica was
[21:17] there and whether she thought she could
[21:20] hear any conversations we had.
[21:22] >> What Curry testified to was that Mr.
[21:24] Clinton walked her through statements
[21:26] that she concluded the president wanted
[21:28] her to agree with. Statements about
[21:31] Lewinsky that included, "We were never
[21:33] alone." Right? You, Curry, could see and
[21:36] hear everything. Monica came on to me
[21:39] and I never touched her. Right.
[21:41] >> Did the conversations that you had with
[21:43] Mrs. Curry, this conversation, did it
[21:45] refresh your recollection as to the
[21:48] events involving M. Lewinsky?
[21:52] Well, as I remember,
[21:54] I I do believe in fairness that that u
[22:01] you know, she may have felt some
[22:03] ambivalence about how to react because
[22:04] there were some times when uh she seemed
[22:08] to say yes when I'm not sure she meant
[22:10] yes. There was a time, it seems like
[22:12] there was one or two things where she
[22:13] said, "Well, remember this, or the other
[22:14] thing," which did reflect my
[22:16] recollection. So, I I would say
[22:21] a little yes and a little no.
[22:24] >> The Star Report concludes that Mr.
[22:26] Clinton's account conflicts with common
[22:28] sense because making false statements to
[22:31] Curry could not remind the president of
[22:33] the facts. On another issue, the
[22:36] president was asked whether he enlisted
[22:38] Betty Curry's help in concealing gifts
[22:40] he had given Lewinsky that had been
[22:42] subpoenaed.
[22:43] >> No, sir. I didn't do that.
[22:46] I did not do that.
[22:47] >> It was Curry who drove to Lewinsk's
[22:50] apartment to pick up the presence. The
[22:52] Star report concludes the president was
[22:54] orchestrating the collection of evidence
[22:56] and probably using his personal
[22:58] secretary in that effort. But in his
[23:01] testimony, the president emphasized time
[23:04] and again that giving gifts was
[23:05] something he did routinely. So he had no
[23:08] concern that those gifts he had given
[23:10] Lewinsky were being sought by Jones's
[23:12] lawyers. In other words, he had no
[23:14] motive to want to hide the evidence.
[23:17] Peter
[23:17] >> Jackie, thank you. Back to our legal
[23:18] analyst again for a moment, Jeffrey
[23:20] Tubin. Jeffrey, it sounds at least this
[23:22] is the layman's ear. Lots of hints here,
[23:25] but no outright proof. How does it sound
[23:27] to a lawyer?
[23:27] >> Well, it's certainly true that the
[23:29] there's no evidence that the president
[23:31] said, "I instruct you to lie." But under
[23:33] the law, he doesn't have to say that.
[23:35] The key in a case about obstruction like
[23:38] of justice like this one is what was the
[23:40] president's intent? Did he intend that
[23:44] that Betty Curry lie? And as Congress
[23:46] comes to weigh this issue and as they
[23:48] perhaps call witnesses, that's going to
[23:50] be the key issue and it's likely it
[23:52] won't be settled very easily.
[23:53] >> And is the burden of proof in an
[23:55] impeachment hearing the same as it would
[23:56] be in a court?
[23:57] >> Not at all. Impeachment is much more of
[23:59] a free form process. Of course, in a
[24:01] criminal case, the government would have
[24:03] to prove beyond a reasonable doubt its
[24:05] accusations. Congress has no such
[24:07] guidance. They just have to determine
[24:09] whether high crimes and misdemeanors
[24:11] occurred and how they do that is up to
[24:13] them.
[24:13] >> Thank you for reminding us Jeffrey
[24:14] Tubin. We're going to be taking a short
[24:16] break now, but in the moment we'll come
[24:18] back and talk about that allimp
[24:20] important reaction in the Congress.
[24:29] >> Enterprise. Hi, I'm at the repair shop.
[24:31] I need to rent a car.
[24:33] >> Enterprise will arrange to pick you up.
[24:35] >> This is great. drive you to our place
[24:37] and get you on your way. Pick
[24:40] Enterprise. We'll pick you up.
[24:43] >> Someday I'd like a slightly larger
[24:45] house,
[24:47] security for my kids, maybe even a
[24:49] little bit for retirement.
[24:51] All right, a lot. Schwab's Mutual Fund.
[24:54] One Source gives you access to hundreds
[24:56] of no-load funds. And our valuable tools
[25:00] can help you build your portfolio.
[25:02] Call now for our free select list.
[25:06] Because part of setting a goal is
[25:08] finding a way to reach it.
[25:13] >> You know, the last I looked, the average
[25:15] workday lasts more than a few hours,
[25:17] right?
[25:17] >> Right.
[25:18] >> But average pain relievers may work for
[25:20] a few hours, then quit. Good thing
[25:23] there's a leave. A leave has the
[25:24] strength to work on arthritis pain all
[25:26] day long with just two pills. It would
[25:29] take eight Tylenol to do that. So, if
[25:32] your pain reliever isn't putting in a
[25:33] full day's work,
[25:35] >> buy it.
[25:36] >> Fire it. Take a leave. Two pills all day
[25:38] relief. Works for me.
[25:44] >> Okay, hun. Today's the day.
[25:46] >> All right.
[25:47] >> Get your cupboards in shape. Clean out
[25:49] the clutter. Pitch them, ditch them, and
[25:52] switch them to Rubbermaid during Kitchen
[25:54] Shape Up Week at Kmart. You'll find a
[25:57] great selection of easy tops, serving
[25:59] savers, and microwavable intelligent
[26:01] containers. So go from clutter to Kmart
[26:03] for the latest in food storage.
[26:05] Rubbermaid ideas that last
[26:08] >> a little sore.
[26:09] >> Kmart. Lowest sale prices every time.
[26:12] Guaranteed.
[26:13] >> Is there a store between here and the
[26:15] Canadian border we haven't been to?
[26:18] >> Honey, I'm beat. I'm starving.
[26:20] >> Here's something good for you.
[26:22] >> Insure Bars.
[26:23] >> Complete balanced nutrition to go.
[26:25] Ensure bars with protein, 24 vitamins
[26:28] and minerals, including calcium, vitamin
[26:30] D, iron, zinc, antioxidants, C and E. A
[26:33] source of complete balanced nutrition.
[26:34] >> Delicious. What's next?
[26:36] >> The Canadian border.
[26:38] >> I'm ready.
[26:39] >> Ensure bars to your health.
[26:48] Just to restate the obvious, this is a
[26:49] legal process. This is a process very
[26:51] deeply involved with public opinion. And
[26:54] of course, it is a political process.
[26:56] The impeachment process faces the
[26:58] president on Capitol Hill. They've been
[27:00] watching all day today from their
[27:01] various parts of the country. Linda
[27:03] Douglas is on Capitol Hill tonight.
[27:04] Linda, what are you picking up about the
[27:06] impact of today's videotape testimony?
[27:09] >> What I'm picking up from both parties is
[27:11] that members are very cautious right now
[27:13] to predict how the public is going to
[27:14] react. I talked to two veteran senators,
[27:17] one of each party. Each one said, "We
[27:19] have no idea how this is going to play."
[27:21] But some of the Democrats who've been
[27:22] critical of the president noted a
[27:24] change. They say the calls this morning
[27:26] were running strongly in favor of the
[27:28] president this after last week when
[27:30] those calls were running against the
[27:32] president. Uh some of the Republicans
[27:33] are also being a little bit low-key in
[27:35] their analysis, saying that this tape
[27:37] may have been anticlimactic for many
[27:39] viewers. People expected the president
[27:41] to lose his temper and he didn't lose
[27:43] his temper. So that means that perhaps
[27:44] the White House did a very good job of
[27:46] raising expectations that the president
[27:48] would lose his temper. Now they think
[27:49] it's kind of a wash.
[27:50] >> Do you know what the basis was for the
[27:52] change in the calls to these offices?
[27:54] What they picked up?
[27:55] >> You never know, Peter, where these calls
[27:57] are coming from. And I want to stress
[27:58] that in advance, but the people who are
[28:00] calling are saying, "Leave him alone.
[28:02] The tape shouldn't have come out. We're
[28:04] tired of all this. This is enough
[28:06] already. Too much smut." But again, I
[28:08] want to caution. We don't know where the
[28:09] calls were coming from.
[28:10] >> Okay. Thanks, Linda, very much. ABC's
[28:11] Koki Roberts is in our Washington
[28:13] bureau. Um, Koki, we've asked you the
[28:15] litmus test question many times. I know
[28:17] you've talked to a lot of people today.
[28:19] What's the impact of these calls on the
[28:20] polit political process?
[28:22] >> Oh, they're strong and and I my
[28:24] reporting turned up exactly what Linda
[28:26] did. I I talked to Democratic House
[28:28] members uh many of them from swing
[28:30] districts and they they said that this
[28:32] helped the president today. Uh but they
[28:35] were very struck by the calls that they
[28:37] got last week. one one told me she had
[28:39] to uh hire an extra person to come on uh
[28:43] to just to take the calls and at that
[28:44] point they were running 70% against the
[28:47] president. Today they were running for
[28:49] the president and members are very very
[28:51] uh taken with calls particularly if
[28:53] they're from their own district and
[28:54] their own voters but you know Peter
[28:57] these people are being so cautious
[28:59] because they keep saying they are just
[29:02] clueless about what's going to happen.
[29:04] So, so what does it mean help the
[29:05] president mean help the president avoid
[29:07] the impeachment process?
[29:08] >> Help him avoid uh immediate impeachment
[29:11] or an impeachment vote right away. Uh
[29:14] because at the at the end of last week,
[29:17] you were getting very strong messages
[29:19] from Democrats that that they were
[29:22] having a terrible time supporting the
[29:24] president and that they were really
[29:26] eager for him to resign. That seems to
[29:28] have been staunch somewhat today. But
[29:30] look, you're quite right. the process
[29:32] will go forward and the now what you're
[29:36] hearing from both parties is much more
[29:37] of a cry of get everything out fast and
[29:41] uh and then we'll see where we are.
[29:42] >> Okay. Many thanks Koki Roberts and Linda
[29:45] Duckus on Capitol Hill tonight. We'll be
[29:46] back in just a moment.
[29:55] Introducing British Classics.
[29:58] A marriage of Victorian elegance and
[30:00] Caribbean soul.
[30:03] British Classics
[30:05] from Ethan Allen. There's a sale on now.
[30:11] You see a business deal. At Sprint, we
[30:14] see data. Data that lays the groundwork,
[30:18] that allows people to collaborate.
[30:21] It's the sharing of information that
[30:23] helps build business.
[30:27] And with Sprint ion, our integrated on
[30:29] demand network will soon be linked
[30:31] together with even greater ease,
[30:32] flexibility, and power. Because business
[30:35] runs on data, and data runs on sprint,
[30:40] eating quicker oatmeal on a daily basis
[30:42] can help lower cholesterol. Mine dropped
[30:44] 29 points. That's one under the speed
[30:47] limit here in Lafayette, Colorado. Just
[30:50] a reminder, Quaker Oatmeal warms you
[30:53] heart and soul.
[31:10] Chevy Tahoe with a Vortekch engine.
[31:14] The most powerful SUV anywhere.
[31:18] Tonight
[31:36] at 8 Eastern, 5 Pacific on ABC.
[31:41] A review of what we've been through so
[31:43] far in this expanded edition of World
[31:44] News Tonight. The president's entire
[31:46] videotape testimony before the grand
[31:48] jury released today. 4 hours. Good
[31:50] number of questions about sex or with
[31:52] sex at the backdrop. Certainly about the
[31:54] obstruction of justice, perjury,
[31:56] tampering with witnesses. President
[31:57] could not remember. A lot of specifics.
[32:00] Coming up in this next half hour, a look
[32:02] at the many moods of Bill Clinton as
[32:04] expressed in his tape testimony today.
[32:06] Monica Lewinsky's complete testimony
[32:08] also released today. And we've been
[32:10] trying to take the temperature of what
[32:11] the public is thinking about on this
[32:13] remarkable day. So, we hope you'll stay
[32:15] with us.
[32:21] >> ABC Premiere Tuesday brings your
[32:23] favorite family comedy back for Jim's
[32:25] birthday on the river wild and mother
[32:27] nature takes a shot at the toolman.
[32:29] >> Mother, I love you.
[32:30] >> Then, new from executive producer Chris
[32:32] Rock.
[32:33] >> Hey, Anthony man. Remember me?
[32:34] >> Hey, you must be Daryl.
[32:36] >> Hey, everywhere we bring a leak of them.
[32:38] >> The after the premiere of Home
[32:39] Improvement, ABC premiere Tuesday.
[33:06] Stay tuned and we'll reel in three kinds
[33:08] of fish from one spot. Just say,
[33:10] "Captain D's, please."
[33:11] >> Introducing Fish Three Ways. Three
[33:14] dectable fish dinners, including our new
[33:16] broiled salmon patty.
[33:18] >> Good fish.
[33:18] >> Yep.
[33:19] >> Captain D, please. Storm Tracker 2000,
[33:22] keeping you safe from nature's fury.
[33:24] Accurate, dependable, precise. Storm
[33:26] Tracker 2000, the most powerful weather
[33:28] tracking system on television. Period.
[33:31] $699. The one low price at Rooms to Go.
[33:34] Just $699 buys you anything you're about
[33:37] to see. Only $6.99 for these incredible
[33:40] sofa and love seat sets. Choose this
[33:42] striking southwest bedroom, this 18th
[33:44] century cherry bedroom, or this
[33:46] beautiful bedroom, this neocclassic
[33:48] dining room with table and six chairs,
[33:49] or this contemporary wall unit. Your
[33:51] choice, $6.99, the one low price. $6.99
[33:55] $6.99 69 days of rooms to go now through
[33:59] Tuesday. Don't miss it.
[34:01] >> How can you win two club seat season
[34:04] tickets for next year's Oilers games in
[34:06] the new stadium? All you have to do is
[34:08] watch Monday Night Live with Jeff
[34:10] Fischer for more information.
[34:12] >> Monday Night Live with Jeff Fischer.
[34:14] Monday nights at 6:30 on News 2.
[34:18] >> Now, I'm trying to be honest with you,
[34:19] and it hurts me. And I'm trying to be
[34:21] tell you the truth about what happened
[34:23] between Miss Lewinsky and me. But that
[34:26] does not change the fact that the real
[34:28] reason they were zeroing in on anybody
[34:30] was to try to get any person in there,
[34:32] no matter how uninvolved with Paula
[34:34] Jones, no matter how uninvolved with
[34:36] sexual harassment,
[34:38] so they could hurt me politically. They
[34:40] just thought they would take a wrecking
[34:42] ball to me and see if they could do some
[34:44] damage. But in this deposition, Mr.
[34:46] Bentley, I was doing my best to be
[34:49] truthful. I was not trying to be
[34:51] particularly helpful to them and I
[34:53] didn't think I had an obligation to be
[34:54] particularly helpful to them to further
[34:57] a when I knew that there was no evidence
[35:00] here of sexual harassment and I knew
[35:02] what they wanted to do was to leak this
[35:04] even though it was unlawful to do so. I
[35:07] have always given a lot of people gifts.
[35:09] I have always been given gifts. I do not
[35:12] think there is anything improper about a
[35:14] man giving a woman a gift or a woman
[35:16] giving a man a gift that necessarily
[35:19] conotes an improper relationship. So, it
[35:22] didn't bother me. I wasn't, you know,
[35:24] this was December 28th. I was I gave her
[35:27] some gifts. I I wasn't worried about it.
[35:29] I thought it was an all right thing to
[35:30] do. Mr. Weisenberg,
[35:33] I have testified about this three times.
[35:35] Now, I will do it the fourth time. I am
[35:38] not going to answer your trick
[35:39] questions. I felt very strongly that
[35:43] Miss Lewinsky and everybody else that
[35:45] didn't know anything about Paula Jones
[35:47] and anybody about anything about sexual
[35:49] harassment
[35:51] that she and others were themselves
[35:53] being harassed. I think what they were
[35:56] trying to do to her and all these other
[35:57] people who knew nothing about sexual
[35:59] harassment was outrageous just so they
[36:03] could hurt me politically. Did I want
[36:06] this to come out? No. Was I embarrassed
[36:08] about it? Yes. Did I ask her to lie
[36:11] about it? No. Did I believe there could
[36:13] be a truthful affidavit? Absolutely. My
[36:16] goal in this deposition was to be
[36:19] truthful, but not particularly helpful.
[36:23] I did not wish to do the work of the
[36:24] Jones lawyers. I deplored what they were
[36:27] doing. I deplored the innocent people
[36:30] they were tormenting and traumatizing. I
[36:32] deplored their illegal leaking. I
[36:35] deplored the fact that they knew once
[36:37] they knew our evidence that this was a
[36:39] bogus lawsuit and that because of the
[36:41] funding they had from my political
[36:43] enemies they were putting ahead. I
[36:46] deplored it. But I was determined to
[36:49] walk through the minefield of this
[36:51] deposition without violating the law and
[36:53] I believe I did. This reminds me to some
[36:57] extent of the hearings when Clarence
[36:59] Thomas and Anita Hill were both
[37:01] testifying under oath. I believe that
[37:04] they both thought they were telling the
[37:06] truth.
[37:08] This is you're dealing with in some ways
[37:10] the most mysterious area of human life.
[37:12] I'm doing the best I can to give you
[37:14] honest answers. I didn't have perfect
[37:17] memory of all these events that have now
[37:19] in the last 7 months since Miss Lewinsky
[37:22] was kept for several hours by four or
[37:24] five of your lawyers and four or five
[37:26] FBI agents
[37:28] uh as if she were a serious felon. Uh,
[37:32] these things have become the most
[37:33] important matters in the world. So maybe
[37:35] Miss Lewinsky believes she's telling the
[37:37] truth and I'm glad she got her mother
[37:39] and herself out of trouble. I'm g glad
[37:41] you gave her that sweeping immunity. I'm
[37:42] glad for the whole thing. I I I it
[37:45] breaks my heart that she was ever
[37:46] involved in this.
[37:47] >> You may recall this was the testimony
[37:49] the president gave on the same day he
[37:51] talked to the nation later in the
[37:52] evening. Later in the evening, whatever
[37:54] transpired between then and his talk to
[37:57] the nation, he was very angry. The
[37:59] president's former chief of staff, Leon
[38:01] Petta, says he saw a familiar Bill
[38:03] Clinton during those four hours today.
[38:06] More often seen in private than in
[38:08] public. The flashes of anger, Mr. Petta
[38:10] says, the introspective president who
[38:12] can absorb information with amazing
[38:14] clarity. The impatient Bill Clinton and
[38:17] there was even room for some of the
[38:19] Clinton charm, Mr. Petta points out,
[38:22] very often a tight smile, but a smile
[38:24] nonetheless. and George Stephanopoulos,
[38:27] his former aid, now ABC News analyst,
[38:29] watches it particularly carefully today.
[38:32] Is this the pre do we see more of the
[38:34] president, the private president today
[38:35] than before?
[38:36] >> I think we did. You saw times when the
[38:38] president was nervous and he would
[38:39] clench his jaw. Uh what you didn't see,
[38:42] Peter, is the real red-faced out of
[38:44] control temper tantrum. The president
[38:46] was pretty able to keep himself in
[38:48] control. And there were also some other
[38:50] classic Clinton moments. You know, you
[38:51] just showed this litany where he kept
[38:52] saying, "I deplore. I deplore." Right
[38:55] after he finished that, he went to the
[38:57] prosecutors and said, "But let me say
[38:58] something sympathetic here." And
[39:00] actually put himself in the prosecutor's
[39:02] shoes. And that's a a very familiar uh
[39:05] Clinton maneuver.
[39:07] >> You told me earlier today the president
[39:08] could lose his his temper at you quite
[39:10] violently and you didn't take it
[39:12] seriously.
[39:12] >> Well, it's I didn't take it personally.
[39:14] I mean, the president usually loses his
[39:16] temper because a lot of pentup
[39:18] frustration is building up and I think
[39:20] that's actually what happened to him
[39:21] after this four hours of grand jury
[39:23] testimony. He kept himself in control
[39:26] during those four hours. Unfortunately,
[39:28] he lost a little bit of control when he
[39:30] went to the country and gave the speech
[39:31] later that night.
[39:32] >> Thanks, George. Sam Donaldson at the
[39:34] White House. A President Clinton that
[39:36] you recognize, Sam, in terms of
[39:38] demeanor.
[39:38] >> Well, Peter, as you know, this president
[39:40] is extremely skillful in connecting with
[39:42] people. Now, he knew he was on
[39:43] television. He was reaching out to the
[39:45] jurors several times during his
[39:46] testimony. He said, "Now the grand jury
[39:48] knows or I think the grand jury would
[39:50] think you saw a president who generally
[39:52] came across in the clips we just showed
[39:54] as a very forceful individual and people
[39:56] can look at him and say, "I think he's
[39:59] he's trying to tell it from the heart."
[40:01] But remember, he stood in the Roosevelt
[40:03] room and he wagged his finger and he
[40:04] appeared to be telling it from the heart
[40:05] when he said he had no sexual relations
[40:07] with Monica Lewinsky. So, who is the
[40:09] real Bill Clinton? That's the question
[40:11] to determine.
[40:12] >> Thank you, Sam. When we come back, the
[40:14] testimony of Monica Lewinsky, also made
[40:17] public today.
[40:23] Do you like football? Do you like to
[40:25] watch Monday Night Football on ABC? Do
[40:27] you fantasize about seeing a Monday
[40:29] Night Football game in person? Thought
[40:30] so? News 2 and Mapco Express want to
[40:33] make your football fantasy come true?
[40:34] Rush into your nearest Mapco Express.
[40:36] Pick up an entry form, fill it out, and
[40:38] mail it in. Then sit back and watch for
[40:40] your name during Monday Night Football
[40:41] and News 2 at 10 after the game. You
[40:43] could win $50 in free gas for a trip or
[40:46] two to Monday Night Football or another
[40:47] Pro Football game. It's the Monday Night
[40:49] Football Fantasy Sweep Stakes from MCO
[40:51] Express and News 2. Summer means
[40:54] clearance at your Chrysler and Plymouth
[40:56] dealer. Clearance means low finance
[40:59] rates. Now get 1.9 APR on all Chrysler
[41:02] and Plymouth minivans. Clearance means
[41:05] America's lowest priced minivan,
[41:07] Plymouth Voyager, costs even less.
[41:09] Clearance means big factory authorized
[41:11] cash back. Get 1,500 cash back on
[41:14] Plymouth Grand Voyager and Chrysler Town
[41:16] and Country LXI. Summer means clearance.
[41:19] Clearance means savings at your Chrysler
[41:21] and Plymouth dealer. And help people who
[41:24] can't help themselves are exactly the
[41:26] people we should be helping.
[41:27] >> Life and death don't take weekends off.
[41:30] premieres Saturday, September 26th at 6
[41:32] p.m. on News 2. Watch Bob Mueller on
[41:35] News 2 at 5 and 10.
[41:43] And now, Monica Lewinsky. Transcripts of
[41:45] her testimony to the grand jury were
[41:47] released today at about the same time,
[41:48] in fact, at exactly the same time, the
[41:50] president's videotape testimony was
[41:52] being broadcast to the nation. Some of
[41:54] what Miss Lewinsky said was in the Star
[41:56] report released earlier to the Congress
[41:58] and a good deal more is found in her
[42:00] complete testimony today. And ABC's
[42:02] Chris Wallace joins us from Washington.
[42:04] Chris,
[42:05] >> Peter, there are no new bombshells in
[42:07] Monica Lewinsk's testimony, but it does
[42:09] explain from her point of view what was
[42:12] going on in their relationship. Much of
[42:14] it hurts the president, but some of it
[42:17] may actually help.
[42:20] When Lewinsky testified before the grand
[42:22] jury for the first time last month, she
[42:24] said she was nervous in taking
[42:26] anti-depressant medication that affected
[42:28] her short-term memory. But she laid out
[42:31] in great detail her relationship with
[42:33] the president, 11 pages of contacts that
[42:36] included nine instances of oral sex and
[42:39] more than 10 of phone sex. The president
[42:42] says there were fewer encounters and
[42:44] they began months later after she was no
[42:46] longer an intern. Lewinsky told the
[42:49] grand jury the relationship began when
[42:51] they saw each other at public events.
[42:53] Intense flirtation, she called it. By
[42:56] November of 95, she says they had a
[42:58] sexual relationship. These pictures were
[43:01] taken on November 17th, the day she says
[43:03] they had their second such encounter.
[43:06] Throughout her testimony, she says she
[43:08] loved the president. He always made me
[43:10] smile when I was with him. He was
[43:12] sunshine. Here in June of 96, she
[43:15] brought her family to the Oval Office to
[43:17] meet Mr. Clinton. But Lewinsky is
[43:20] defensive about that infamous dress that
[43:22] had the president's stain on it. It's a
[43:24] work dress, she says, not a cocktail
[43:26] dress. She denies saving it as a
[43:29] souvenir, saying she planned to wear it
[43:31] again months later, but that it no
[43:33] longer fit. When she told Linda Trip
[43:35] about the stain, she says Trip told her
[43:37] to put it in a safe deposit box.
[43:40] Instead, she sent it to her mother's
[43:41] apartment in New York.
[43:44] Lewis also describes how the
[43:46] relationship fell apart. She calls May
[43:48] 24th of 97 D-Day when the president
[43:51] dumped her. In this email to her friend
[43:54] last September, she writes, "I can't go
[43:56] through all this crap anymore. In some
[43:59] ways, I hope I never hear from him again
[44:01] because he'll just lead me on." And she
[44:04] says she was jealous of this picture of
[44:05] the Clintons together at the end of 97
[44:08] that it shows an aspect of their
[44:10] relationship he never revealed to her.
[44:13] >> But what set Lewinsky off most was the
[44:15] president's August 17th speech to the
[44:17] nation.
[44:18] >> Indeed, I did have a relationship with
[44:20] Miss Lewinsky that was not appropriate.
[44:23] >> 3 days later, again before the grand
[44:24] jury, Lewinsky says until then, she
[44:27] thought she still loved him, but that
[44:29] she was hurt by his reported testimony.
[44:31] that this was a service contract, that
[44:33] all I did was perform oral sex on him. I
[44:37] thought it was a lot more than that.
[44:40] To the end, Lewinsky denied she had ever
[44:42] been asked to lie or was ever promised a
[44:45] job in return for her silence. And she
[44:47] ended her grand jury testimony with a
[44:49] simple statement. I hate Linda Trip.
[44:53] Peter,
[44:53] >> thanks very much. Chris Wallace in
[44:55] Washington. When we come back, the
[44:56] president and the people, namely public
[44:58] reaction.
[45:05] My great-grandmother shopped at
[45:07] Castronaut because of the great service,
[45:08] great selection, great sales, great
[45:10] corsets, oxygen.
[45:14] In the 30s, Molina wanted to be alone at
[45:17] all because not sales. In the 50s, my
[45:20] favorite song was You Ain't Nothing but
[45:22] a clothes hound shopping time. I used to
[45:25] disco
[45:27] sales fear.
[45:29] Today I'm an obsessive compulsive
[45:31] castronaut sales aaholic and I feel good
[45:34] about it.
[45:36] >> Happy anniversary cast not 100 years
[45:40] you've been at the top. Time flies when
[45:44] you shop and you pay at
[45:49] 100 years we've been together.
[45:52] You didn't get older. You just got
[45:55] better. Celebrate 100 years.
[45:58] The sale of the century is finally here.
[46:03] >> 100 years making a difference.
[46:05] >> Break away from the pack. Take your best
[46:07] shot now at Predator's inaugural season
[46:10] tickets. Be assured of great seats to
[46:13] sold out games. The Red Wings Capitals
[46:16] Hassac and Greski. Pull the trigger
[46:19] today cuz the only things flying faster
[46:21] than the puck are season tickets. Call
[46:25] 770 Block now for the Predators 20 game
[46:28] plan or season tickets. Cost to get bit,
[46:32] you got to be there.
[46:35] >> Here it is. It's what you've always
[46:37] wanted. An Honest A log home. Honest log
[46:40] homes are not only beautiful, they're
[46:42] durable, energy efficient, and as unique
[46:44] as your lifestyle. Now try and find that
[46:46] with some brick or vinyl home. Custom
[46:49] designs, choices of styles and options.
[46:51] The warmth and beauty of wood makes
[46:53] Honest A the natural choice for the best
[46:55] built log home today. Call now for a
[46:57] free brochure and ask about our catalog,
[46:59] video, and CDROM information kit. Honest
[47:02] log homes. It's what you've always
[47:04] wanted.
[47:10] As we said at the beginning, it's
[47:12] difficult to make judgments in depth
[47:13] this soon about public opinion, let
[47:15] alone its impact on the president's
[47:17] future. Which is not to say that people
[47:19] haven't had some pretty strong reaction
[47:21] to this today. We heard a little bit
[47:23] about it in Washington already. Here in
[47:24] New York, people from everywhere tend to
[47:27] visit Time Square. And ABC's Bill
[47:29] Blakemore was there today to listen.
[47:33] >> Around Times Square today, reactions
[47:35] were strong and varied. Someone who who
[47:37] doesn't have a memory or selective
[47:39] memory is not someone who I would like
[47:41] to see stay in the office.
[47:42] >> Enough is enough. He he lied. He
[47:45] apologized. Just let it go. I mean,
[47:47] there are other things to be doing right
[47:49] now.
[47:50] >> I don't want to know those details.
[47:52] >> But for everyone who did not want to
[47:53] know, we found someone who did.
[47:56] >> I don't want to accuse a person or feel
[47:59] like a person should be accused wrongly.
[48:01] and and and I feel that this really
[48:03] gives me the the facts about the
[48:06] situation, not people, not reporters
[48:08] conjecture or or the spin.
[48:10] >> Among the many who did not watch,
[48:12] reasons were also strong and varied.
[48:15] >> I'm not watching it.
[48:16] >> Why?
[48:17] >> I'm I'm protesting it because I didn't
[48:20] elect Bill Clinton to be my rabbi,
[48:22] priest, or pope. He's there to run the
[48:25] country. And I think it's in such poor
[48:27] taste to run those tapes.
[48:29] >> I haven't watched it. Why? because I
[48:31] have been long since totally disgusted
[48:33] with Bill Clinton in more uh severe
[48:37] terms than I can express.
[48:39] >> Across the country where they watched in
[48:41] a small town Colorado diner, two
[48:43] neighbors had the same differences.
[48:45] >> I mean, a lot of guys make mistakes.
[48:47] I've done it. I was married and I didn't
[48:48] want to tell my wife either.
[48:51] Leave him alone. Don't bother me a bit.
[48:54] >> I think he's done a good job.
[48:56] >> He's done a good job. Yeah.
[48:59] He should have never did what he did and
[49:00] lied about him.
[49:01] >> Did watching the tape today make a
[49:03] difference?
[49:04] >> He was a good man, but makes people
[49:06] wonder right now.
[49:08] >> In San Francisco, this man watched it on
[49:10] the internet and said it helped him make
[49:11] up his mind.
[49:13] >> Oh, I think he's in big trouble. He's He
[49:15] better resign. It's embarrassing for the
[49:18] country.
[49:18] >> But in Atlanta, one law student felt it
[49:21] improved Clinton's position.
[49:22] >> After reading the transcript on the
[49:24] internet, I thought that he was going to
[49:26] be lying. I thought he was going to look
[49:28] pretty bad. I think he actually looks a
[49:30] lot better.
[49:31] >> Another law student did not think so.
[49:34] >> Unfortunately, the terms oral sex and
[49:37] the like are now a part of our history,
[49:40] and I think that's sad, and I think that
[49:41] Bill Clinton is to blame for that.
[49:43] >> None we spoke with today seem to have
[49:45] changed their opinions because of the
[49:46] videotape, but it did seem to make
[49:49] opinions on both sides stronger. Bill
[49:52] Blakemore, ABC News, New York. One other
[49:55] very noticeable reaction to the
[49:56] president today at the UN General
[49:57] Assembly when the president walked in.
[50:00] He was given a standing ovation by the
[50:02] representatives from nearly 200
[50:03] countries. According to the delegates,
[50:06] some of it was admiration, some of it
[50:08] sympathy, some of it encouragement, some
[50:11] of it a way to say to Mr. Clinton that
[50:13] he should not lose sight of how
[50:15] important foreign policy is to the rest
[50:17] of the world. There is some other news
[50:20] today and we'll be back in just a
[50:22] moment.
[50:31] It isn't necessarily a 9 to-5 world
[50:33] anymore. People are working harder,
[50:35] pushing harder, doing more than ever
[50:37] before. So to all those hardworking
[50:40] people who have Vanderbilt in their
[50:41] health plan, we promise some of the
[50:43] finest doctors in America and the most
[50:45] comprehensive healthare system in our
[50:47] region. But most of all, we promise to
[50:50] put our hearts and minds behind your
[50:52] health. So you can get back to all those
[50:54] things that matter most.
[50:57] >> Next, Donnie and Marie is nothing less
[50:59] than
[51:00] >> fantastic.
[51:02] She's like the little guy at the door of
[51:03] us.
[51:04] >> I know. Exactly.
[51:05] >> We've got Beverly Hills 902 and O's
[51:06] Brian Austin Green from the practice.
[51:08] Cameron Mannheim talking all about her
[51:10] Emmy win.
[51:11] >> Don't think she's a little thin. I think
[51:13] we need to beef her up a little bit.
[51:14] >> And speaking of awards,
[51:16] >> it's been effort.
[51:17] >> Country superstar Leanne Rise in a very
[51:19] special performance. It's all on the
[51:21] next Donnie and Marie.
[51:23] >> Donnie and Marie tomorrow at 3 on News
[51:25] 2.
[51:28] >> Yeah, I have a cheeseburger without
[51:29] pickles.
[51:31] >> I'll check. He wants it without pickles.
[51:34] He's checking.
[51:35] >> Uh, yes.
[51:39] >> You're on fire, sir. Eat what you want.
[51:42] At Subway, every order is a special
[51:44] order with your choice of fresh
[51:45] ingredients. Subway, the way a sandwich
[51:47] should be.
[51:48] >> Hello. After 400 p.m., buy any foot long
[51:52] sub with a medium soft drink and get a
[51:54] second foot long sub for just .99.
[51:57] >> You know, here lately, Great Southern
[51:58] Wood been running a lot of funny
[52:00] commercials to try to get people to
[52:01] think yellow when they're building
[52:02] outdoors. But seriously, when you buy
[52:04] lumber from Great Southern Wood, you
[52:06] know it's clean and straight and backed
[52:08] by a lifetime guarantee. How do you
[52:10] know? By looking for this yellow tag. It
[52:12] means you've bought the best. So, when
[52:14] you're building outdoors,
[52:16] yellow is your color. Remember, if it
[52:19] doesn't say osmos on the yellow tag,
[52:21] believe me, you don't want it.
[52:24] Yellow.
[52:27] >> Hey, this fall, you got to have a cool
[52:29] pie.
[52:32] >> You got to have friends.
[52:33] >> Starting September 22nd at 6:30 p.m. on
[52:36] News 2. Watch Brettley on News 2 at 10.
[52:47] As we said, there's other news in
[52:49] California today. The sudden death of
[52:51] Olympic track star Florence Griffith
[52:53] Joiner. Her family says she died of a
[52:55] heart seizure at her home in Mission
[52:56] Viejo. She was only 38. Here's ABC's
[53:00] Judy Mueller.
[53:02] Florence Griffith Joiner says she took
[53:04] up running to set herself apart from her
[53:06] 10 siblings. She set herself apart all
[53:08] right from the whole field.
[53:10] >> Riding across at 2176.
[53:14] >> Always a standout for her style with her
[53:16] radical outfits and long nails. She
[53:18] finally stood out for her speed at the
[53:21] 1988 Olympic trials.
[53:23] >> Lawrence Griffith Joiner blowing away
[53:25] the field IN A 1049. Her world record in
[53:30] the 100 meter dash stunned the track
[53:32] world.
[53:32] >> Cannot be. No one can run that fast.
[53:36] >> Flojo, as her fans call her, went on to
[53:38] set another world record for the 200
[53:40] meter dash at the 88 Olympics. The times
[53:42] were so astonishing they prompted rumors
[53:44] that she'd been taking steroids.
[53:46] Griffith Joiner chocked up the rumors to
[53:48] competitive envy.
[53:49] >> Been something that has been a part of
[53:50] track and field since I've been in it.
[53:53] Rumors,
[53:54] um, petty jealousy. People are going to
[53:57] think what they want to think.
[53:58] >> Her death at the early age of 38 has
[54:00] raised new questions about her physical
[54:02] condition. Her husband says she died at
[54:04] their California home of what he called
[54:06] a heart seizure, which is not a precise
[54:08] medical term. An autopsies plan to try
[54:10] to determine the exact cause of death.
[54:13] Griffith Joiner retired from track just
[54:15] a year after her Olympic victory. She
[54:17] then had some success with acting and
[54:19] modeling, but nothing could match the
[54:20] flash of 88.
[54:22] >> She has a place in history. You cannot
[54:24] take her 1049 and her gold medals from
[54:27] her. She earned them. However she did
[54:30] it, she earned them.
[54:31] >> And to this day, her world records still
[54:34] stand. Judy Mueller, ABC News, Los
[54:36] Angeles.
[54:38] >> In Puerto Rico today, they're riding out
[54:40] one of the worst hurricanes in decades.
[54:42] Hurricane George, not George, but Gor
[54:45] with 110 mph winds did serious damage in
[54:48] the Virgin Islands before reaching
[54:49] Puerto Rico. before it made land.
[54:51] Thousands of people boarded up their
[54:53] homes and headed for shelters. If the
[54:55] hurricane sticks to its current path, it
[54:57] could reach the mainland US, the
[54:59] mainland US in just a few days. On Wall
[55:02] Street today, investors reacted to bad
[55:04] news on the Asian markets by selling off
[55:06] their stocks early in the day. But the
[55:08] Dow Jones Industrials recovered by the
[55:11] end of the day, gaining 37 points to
[55:13] close at 7933. On the NASDAQ index,
[55:16] stocks were up 16 points. We will be
[55:19] back in just a minute.
[55:27] >> Energy efficient appliances.
[55:28] >> I'd probably pay upwards 450 or so.
[55:31] >> What would you pay for an RV sub?
[55:34] >> $6.95.
[55:35] >> Would you believe any two subs for just
[55:37] four bucks? Nah.
[55:40] >> No. No way. For this much meat in a sub,
[55:43] I would have expected to be a lot more.
[55:44] >> Honest. Any two for just four bucks? For
[55:47] all that you get in this sandwich, that
[55:48] is a great price. They'll put everybody
[55:50] else out of business.
[55:52] >> You can go anywhere and get filled up,
[55:54] but you can only get the two subs for $4
[55:56] deal at Arby's.
[56:00] >> Thanks to a partnership between TVA, the
[56:03] community, and the local power company,
[56:05] not to mention the low price of
[56:07] electricity, Boeing is building a new
[56:09] rocket booster plant right here in the
[56:12] Tennessee Valley,
[56:14] creating 6,000 new jobs.
[56:19] So, if you happen to see the Boeing
[56:21] folks around, help them out, would you?
[56:24] After all, they're just rocket
[56:26] scientists.
[56:30] Each new day brings more new fun.
[56:34] Memories in the making.
[56:36] >> Seems like every day the kids just do
[56:38] something that I want to take a picture
[56:39] of. Every smile's a special one, a
[56:43] treasure for the taking.
[56:46] >> I can't wait around for specials. I
[56:47] might miss something important, so I
[56:49] take my film back to Walmart. Their
[56:50] prices are as low as they can be all the
[56:52] time, every day. And they do a great
[56:54] job. Always great pictures, always low
[56:57] prices. Not Walmart.
[56:59] >> What makes sexy?
[57:01] >> Provocative. Does she have a pulse?
[57:03] >> Even the celebrities tell all in a
[57:05] special you can really get excited
[57:07] about. You like to watch, don't you?
[57:09] >> Sex with Cindy Crawford. ABC Premiere
[57:12] Tuesday.
[57:16] >> Well, this has been a special edition of
[57:18] World News Tonight because for the first
[57:19] time in the nation's history, we saw a
[57:21] president testify to a grand jury. 4
[57:24] hours on tape, Mr. Clinton's August 17th
[57:26] testimony. Today, it was broadcast for
[57:29] the world to see. And as best we can
[57:30] tell, a great many people watched. There
[57:32] was, yes, quite a lot about sex. At
[57:34] least that was the background. The
[57:36] president refused to answer many of the
[57:37] more uncomfortable questions directly
[57:39] and there is no way to predict at this
[57:41] early stage what the impact will be on
[57:43] public opinion or what's going to happen
[57:45] when the Congress returns. That is our
[57:48] report for this evening. Thank you for
[57:50] joining us. Later this evening, there'll
[57:51] be a special 1-hour edition of Night
[57:52] Line asking the question, will the
[57:55] president's televised testimony change
[57:57] minds? I'm Peter Jennings. See you
[58:00] tomorrow.
[58:08] Tomorrow we have to work to make a
[58:10] living. But some people say 9 to5 is
[58:13] out. So what do we do? Watch ABC's World
[58:16] News Tonight with Peter Jennings. This
[58:18] has been a presentation of ABC News.
[58:21] More Americans get their news from ABC
[58:23] News than from any other source. ABC
[58:26] News. Now.