Larry King Live (CNN) - 2006-07-14 (Mideast crisis)
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[0:00] The Middle East erupts and CNN is right
[0:03] there on the ground with the story
[0:05] firsthand.
[0:06] >> The attacks do seem to continue. The
[0:08] prime minister appealing for
[0:09] international help.
[0:10] >> Essential reporting from CNN, the most
[0:13] trusted name in news.
[0:16] >> Thanks for joining us in the special
[0:17] edition of 360 from Naria. We are going
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[0:21] Sunday edition of 360 at 10 p.m. Eastern
[0:23] time. That's Sunday night. Uh and we'll
[0:25] also have the regular edition of uh 360
[0:27] on Monday as well from the region. Have
[0:29] a great uh weekend. Larry King Live is
[0:31] next.
[0:49] Tonight, Hezbollah's leader vows open
[0:52] war against Israel as Hezbollah rockets
[0:55] hit several Israeli towns and Israeli
[0:58] jets destroy Hezbollah headquarters in
[1:00] Beirut. The threat of the unthinkable
[1:03] puts the world on edge. Can President
[1:05] Bush or anybody stop the escalating
[1:08] violence?
[1:10] Or will the United States be drawn into
[1:13] another all-out war?
[1:16] >> From the M East to Washington, we've got
[1:18] all the latest next on Larry King Live.
[1:30] We'll begin with top journalists in the
[1:32] field and then we'll meet our
[1:33] outstanding panel. Let's go first to
[1:34] Nick Robertson in Beirut, our CNN senior
[1:37] international correspondent. and he had
[1:39] an interview today, an exclusive
[1:40] interview with the prime minister of
[1:42] Lebanon. What's the reaction there to
[1:45] this Hezbollah threat?
[1:48] Well, the government at the moment would
[1:49] like to see uh like to see Hezbollah
[1:52] stop the violence, but they don't appear
[1:53] in any way able to any way able to tell
[1:56] Hezbollah to stop. That's the situation
[1:58] here, Larry. The prime minister talks
[2:00] about wanting peace. He talks about
[2:02] disavowing Hezbollah's actions. He talks
[2:04] about not believing in kidnapping,
[2:06] believing that there's better ways to
[2:08] find uh solutions to the problems of the
[2:10] region. But when it comes to disarming
[2:12] Hezbollah, he seems incapable. The
[2:14] government seems incapable of doing it.
[2:16] Hezbollah is now in the driving seat,
[2:18] Larry, and it looks like it's driving
[2:19] Lebanon towards war.
[2:21] >> Nick, are is it true? Are there about
[2:23] 25,000 Americans in Lebanon?
[2:27] >> They are. The State Department is
[2:29] working on a plan to get them out.
[2:30] They're ask the State Department is
[2:32] asking Americans who want to leave to
[2:34] make contact on a couple of uh specially
[2:36] provided phone numbers and that's
[2:38] believed to be essentially the first
[2:39] step in getting them out. How it's going
[2:41] to happen? It won't happen all in one
[2:43] go. It'll likely happen over a period of
[2:45] time, but the plans are being made right
[2:47] now. Larry Anderson Cooper is in
[2:50] Natariva, northern Israel, right at the
[2:52] border. He will anchor CNN's Anderson
[2:55] Cooper 360 from there tonight. You just
[2:57] got there. What are your first
[2:58] impressions?
[3:01] Uh well, it's amazing just how deserted
[3:03] this town is. And and when you go into
[3:05] the buildings and you go into the
[3:06] basement, you realize the people who
[3:08] have remained here are sort of hunkered
[3:10] down in in bunkers uh underneath all the
[3:13] buildings. And the building we're
[3:14] staying in, they have room for about 300
[3:16] people in this bunker. There's a a lot
[3:18] of Israeli soldiers down there. Uh some
[3:20] children down there as well, and sort of
[3:21] a playground that they've built. It's an
[3:23] eerie feeling uh to see a town like this
[3:25] which on a Friday night would be booming
[3:27] with tourists and and residents out
[3:28] strolling along eating in cafes. Uh
[3:30] there is none of that. There have been
[3:32] more than a hundred uh Kouta rockets
[3:34] that have hit uh this part of northern
[3:36] Israel uh in the last day alone. Uh two
[3:39] rockets hit uh on Friday right here in
[3:42] this town just down the block and and uh
[3:44] over in that direction as well. Two
[3:45] people were killed today, two people
[3:47] killed uh yesterday as well. Uh it is
[3:50] very scary times here and it is a very
[3:51] strange feeling to be here. Larry
[3:53] >> and John Va is also there and he's been
[3:55] there almost from the get-go. Aren't uh
[3:58] religious observances taking place John?
[4:01] This is a the Sabbath is a high holy day
[4:03] there.
[4:05] >> Yeah, very much so. This is the Jewish
[4:07] Sabbath. But uh this town Nahar is not a
[4:10] particularly religious town. It is a
[4:11] tourist town unlike Safar which is
[4:13] another town which has come under attack
[4:15] from those Kushia rockets. That is a
[4:17] holy place for Jews. It's the center of
[4:19] Cabala mysticism. You may have heard of
[4:21] that. It's a religion followed by
[4:23] Madonna amongst other people. So that is
[4:25] a holy town that will be observing the
[4:27] Jewish Sabbath even though these Katusha
[4:28] rockets continue to fall. But here in
[4:30] Naharia, not quite of the same religious
[4:33] significance. Larry Anish Raman is our
[4:36] CNN international correspondent in
[4:38] Damascus, Syria. Now Syria's ruling bath
[4:41] party. Anish has issued a statement
[4:43] vowing to fully support the Lebanese
[4:45] people and their heroic resistance
[4:47] against what it calls the barbaric
[4:49] Israeli aggression. Syria has not backed
[4:52] down at all on that.
[4:56] It hasn't, Larry. Syria essentially is a
[4:58] government trying to downplay its
[4:59] relationship with Hezbollah, maintaining
[5:01] support. The city tonight saw just a few
[5:04] hours ago a 20 car convoy, about 80
[5:06] people going through the capital in
[5:08] support of Hezbollah. The government is
[5:10] aware that at issue here is that
[5:12] relationship and they are because of
[5:14] that allowing journalists in with
[5:16] relative ease and publicly saying that
[5:18] while they support Hezbollah and Hamas,
[5:20] both are independent groups that do not
[5:23] need Syria to act. And so they are aware
[5:25] that they are facing perhaps the next
[5:27] step in this, they are aware that Syria
[5:29] is the gateway through which this crisis
[5:31] could escalate further. And when you
[5:32] talk to Syrians here in the capital,
[5:34] they are concerned. They are worried
[5:35] more than they've been in recent time.
[5:37] Larry
[5:38] >> and Ben Weedman is CNN's Cairo bureau
[5:40] chief. He's in Gaza City. What's going
[5:43] on there?
[5:45] >> Well, Larry, it's been another night of
[5:47] Israeli air strikes just a few hours
[5:49] ago. A rocket hit the Palestinian
[5:52] Economy Ministry. Another rocket hit a
[5:55] bridge uh south of here. Uh today, we
[5:57] saw some fairly large demonstrations
[5:59] organized by Hamas in in support of
[6:02] Hisbala. Really, sentiment is getting
[6:05] very emotional here. It's almost
[6:07] reminiscent of the days before the Gulf
[6:09] War when you saw this upswelling of
[6:12] sentiment or support for Saddam Hussein.
[6:14] But here the support of course is for
[6:16] his and its leader Hassan Nasallah. Many
[6:19] people say that they appreciate what's
[6:22] going on. And in fact when news spread
[6:26] uh that Hisbala had been able to hit
[6:28] with some sort of unmanned aircraft with
[6:30] that Israeli ship warship off the coast
[6:34] of Beirut. Many people here applauded.
[6:36] We even heard celebratory gunfire in the
[6:39] streets. So very much all eyes here in
[6:42] Gaza are on what's going on in Lebanon.
[6:45] What's going on here with the air
[6:47] strikes has almost become so routine
[6:49] really that nobody even notices it.
[6:52] Larry
[6:52] >> an Anderson Hezbollah they use the word
[6:55] declared open war on Israel. How is that
[6:58] resonating where you are?
[7:01] Uh, you know, it it's certainly it is
[7:03] rhetoric at this point, but it is
[7:04] certainly worrying rhetoric. There's no
[7:06] doubt about it. Uh, you know, Israel is
[7:08] taking this very seriously. I was just
[7:09] out a couple hours ago with an artillery
[7:12] battery that was basically uh firing
[7:14] shells deep into Lebanon, some 9 miles
[7:16] into Lebanon. Uh, you know, we waited
[7:18] around about half an hour and they fired
[7:20] probably about six or seven shells in
[7:22] the course of the time that we were
[7:23] there. Um, this these are very serious
[7:25] times. Reserves have been called up. Um
[7:28] and and there doesn't seem to be any
[7:30] clear solution in sight and we're
[7:32] certainly in this hour that you have
[7:34] Larry going to hear from a lot of
[7:35] experts about that. Uh but from the
[7:36] Israeli military's perspective, I mean
[7:38] they have decided today to continue with
[7:40] with the military fight uh to continue
[7:42] trying to search for these these two
[7:44] soldiers who are missing still somewhere
[7:45] believed to be in Lebanon. Uh though
[7:48] some Hezbollah had said that they had
[7:50] been taken to Iran. Also one Israeli
[7:52] soldier still missing somewhere in Gaza
[7:54] uh somewhere uh unknown. Uh the search
[7:57] is still very active for all three of
[7:59] these troops. Uh but there's really no
[8:01] clear solution in sight, certainly from
[8:03] a military perspective.
[8:05] >> As we go to break, uh here's a and we'll
[8:08] meet our panel. Coming back, we'll also
[8:09] meet the Israeli ambassador. Here's a
[8:11] portion of Nick Robinson's talk with the
[8:13] uh prime minister of Lebanon. Watch
[8:17] >> Lebanon should not really be dealt this
[8:21] way. actually the retaliated the
[8:24] retaliation of Israel against the
[8:27] abduction of the two of the two soldiers
[8:30] in in the across the blue line is in no
[8:34] way proportionate. It is
[8:35] disproportionate to what has been done
[8:37] and this is not the way how to deal with
[8:39] things.
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[10:57] The Middle East erupts and CNN is right
[10:59] there on the ground with the story
[11:02] firsthand. The attacks do seem to
[11:04] continue with the prime minister
[11:05] appealing for international help.
[11:07] >> Essential reporting from CNN, the most
[11:10] trusted name in news.
[11:13] >> CNN, the most trusted name in news.
[11:25] Let's meet our panel will be with us all
[11:27] the way with interspersed guests as
[11:29] well. In northeast Harbor, Maine, is
[11:31] George Mitchell, the former Senate
[11:32] Majority Leader, international peace
[11:34] negotiator. In Norolk, Virginia is
[11:36] Senator George Allen, a member of the
[11:38] Foreign Relations Committee, Republican
[11:40] of Virginia. And with us in Niharia,
[11:43] Northern Israel is Anderson Cooper as
[11:45] well. He will join the panel. And we're
[11:47] going to uh go to Washington and talk
[11:50] with Ambassador Ayalon in a moment.
[11:52] Here's what the leader in Hezbollah had
[11:54] to say today. Ambassador watch.
[11:57] I will not say if you hit Beirut we will
[12:00] hit Hifa. I will not say if you hit the
[12:04] Dah the southern district we will hit
[12:06] Hifa. This equation you wanted to fall
[12:09] it will fill. We together you want an
[12:13] open war we will go to the open war and
[12:18] we are ready for it. And we are ready
[12:21] for it.
[12:23] war, war on every level
[12:26] to Hifa and believe me to after Hifa and
[12:30] to after and beyond and beyond Hifa.
[12:35] >> Ambassador Daniel Ayone, the Israeli
[12:37] ambassador to the United States returns.
[12:39] What's your response to that?
[12:41] >> Well, uh, we take it of course very
[12:44] seriously. I would say that NASA pretty
[12:46] much stated the obvious about an open
[12:48] war. uh they have uh opened the war
[12:51] actually many many years ago in 2000 May
[12:54] 2000 when Israel pulled out of Lebanon
[12:58] living out the entire territory. We are
[13:01] not occupying one inch of Lebanon. We
[13:04] hoped that the Lebanese government will
[13:06] exercise their sovereignty, deploy their
[13:09] army on our border and maintain qu quiet
[13:13] and uh stability.
[13:16] armed itself to the teeth for the last 6
[13:19] years. They have been arming and arming.
[13:20] They have an arsenal of over 12,000
[13:22] kushas and farreaching rockets and they
[13:25] are using it. So what Nasala says really
[13:27] is what they have been doing all along.
[13:29] They have been preparing for this war.
[13:31] Now they have opened this war with the
[13:32] abduction of our two soldiers and
[13:34] killing uh uh eight others over
[13:37] international lines. So uh we are really
[13:40] in a war but it didn't start today. It
[13:42] started long ago. Did your forces try to
[13:45] kill Nazallah today?
[13:47] >> Well, I I would say that Nasalla is an
[13:50] arch terrorist and he should not be
[13:52] immune and certainly should not have any
[13:55] uh impunity. It is quite uh distressing
[13:58] that there are governments who give them
[14:00] shelters and we should not make
[14:01] distinctions between terrorists and
[14:03] those who give them shelter whether in
[14:05] Damascus or Tehran or in Beirut. If you
[14:09] got the safe return of your soldiers,
[14:11] would you cease hostility?
[14:14] >> Well, uh this should be unconditional.
[14:16] If we do get our soldiers back safely,
[14:19] and this is what we demand, certainly we
[14:21] will consider uh our next moves in a
[14:24] very uh positive ways. But I think we
[14:27] have much broader question right now. I
[14:30] mean, we see that uh the Arab Islamist
[14:34] radicalist forces are moving forward and
[14:36] they're being directed. The
[14:38] masterminders are in Damascus and in
[14:40] Thran. They are moving forward and they
[14:43] have to be stopped. So what we see here
[14:44] is not just an Israeli war against
[14:46] terror. I think what we see here is uh
[14:50] an Israeli self-defense in order to make
[14:53] sure that the war will not spread out
[14:54] not just to Israel but any and every
[14:57] corner of of the globe.
[14:59] >> Mr. Ambassador, we'll be doing a special
[15:01] show Sunday night. We hope you can
[15:03] return with us. We'll be making
[15:04] arrangements with you. uh a special
[15:06] edition of Larry King Live live on uh
[15:09] Sunday night. Let's go to Northeast
[15:10] Harbor, Maine and George Mitchell. You
[15:12] see any uh pluses today, George?
[15:16] No, Larry. Just the opposite of course
[15:18] continuing escalation both in terms of
[15:21] activity and in rhetoric. Uh I think
[15:24] what Nzraa means by the term open
[15:26] warfare is not obviously more
[15:28] conventional warfare because in
[15:31] conventional terms, Israel has
[15:32] overwhelming superiority. uh and it
[15:35] really would not be any contest at all.
[15:37] I think what it means is warfare on
[15:39] every level, including acts of terror
[15:42] and anything else that they're able to
[15:44] do. I also believe, Larry, that what
[15:47] Hezbollah is doing has a dual purpose.
[15:50] One is, of course, to take the fight to
[15:52] Israel, their sworn enemy, but the other
[15:55] is to destabilize the government of
[15:57] Lebanon in which Hezbollah is now a
[16:00] minority partner. and the the majority
[16:03] in the government is actually not
[16:05] supportive of Syria or of Hezbollah.
[16:09] If that government fails, unfortunately,
[16:12] the successor likely will be more
[16:15] Hezbollah and a government much closer
[16:18] to Syria. So, it's a huge irony and one
[16:22] of the difficulties in this situation is
[16:23] you might end up with some of this worse
[16:25] than what's there now if the current
[16:27] government is destabilized as a result
[16:29] of these actions. Senator George Allen,
[16:32] your senior senator from the state of
[16:33] Virginia, John Warner, is uh warning
[16:36] about uh uh President Bush and this
[16:39] total of support of Israel. He says,
[16:42] urging the administration to think
[16:43] through very carefully how Israel's
[16:46] extraordinary reaction could affect
[16:48] operations in Iraq and elsewhere. Do you
[16:51] share that view?
[16:52] >> Well, I'm sure the administration's
[16:54] taking a considered approach to what we
[16:56] do, but here's here's the main point.
[16:59] Israel's a wellspring in the wilderness
[17:01] in the Middle East. Israel is an ally.
[17:04] I'm going to put this on personal terms.
[17:06] There's a 13-year-old boy right now from
[17:09] who's a constituent of mine who's with
[17:10] his 12-year-old sister in northern Iraq
[17:13] in a bomb shelter in a kabutz because of
[17:16] the shelling and missiles coming in from
[17:18] from Hezbollah out of out of Lebanon. At
[17:21] my table tonight at supper was a lady,
[17:24] I'll not say her name, but she has
[17:25] friends that are over in Lebanon. She's
[17:27] Lebanese. They can't get out of there.
[17:29] So, there are real life human beings who
[17:31] are being affected on both sides in both
[17:34] countries, Israel and in Lebanon. Here's
[17:36] the facts. Facts are that Hezbollah is a
[17:39] terrorist organization. It's an
[17:40] organization that has hit against
[17:42] Israel. It's abducted not just only
[17:44] Israelis. They were the ones who bombed
[17:46] the marine barracks, killed American and
[17:48] French soldiers. They have hidden
[17:50] Thailand. They have hidden Singapore.
[17:52] They've hit even the Israeli embassy
[17:54] back in the oh about 10 years ago in
[17:57] Buenos Aries. The reality is and here's
[17:59] what we need to understand in this whole
[18:01] scheme is that Hezbollah Hezbollah is
[18:04] armed by Iran. They're paid for by Iran.
[18:07] They are protected by Iran and they're
[18:09] ordered by Iran.
[18:10] >> So what are you saying the United States
[18:12] should do?
[18:13] >> The United States right now is at the G8
[18:15] summit. All of those all of those
[18:17] countries at the G8 summit ought to be
[18:19] united in disarming Hezbollah.
[18:21] Hezbollah. This is not part of the
[18:23] Palestinian Israeli fight. Uh they have
[18:26] been a problem in southern Lebanon for
[18:28] many years, even even since Arafat uh
[18:32] has passed away. We need to recognize
[18:34] that this is part of or potentially or
[18:37] logically a part of a scheme as as
[18:39] ambassador said emanating from Iran
[18:43] who's a main thunder of course are
[18:44] closer to Syria logistically. And so we
[18:47] need to look at this as as something
[18:49] that is very important that we need to
[18:50] disarm Hezbollah. It is a terrorist
[18:52] organization. They're they can't be
[18:54] reasoned with unfortunately. And what
[18:57] Israel is doing is protecting their own
[18:59] country as they should.
[19:00] >> I got to get a break. Anderson, do you
[19:02] see any light at the end of this tunnel?
[19:06] >> Uh not right now, Larry. I mean, it uh
[19:08] there doesn't seem militarily a
[19:10] solution. There doesn't seem politically
[19:12] a clear solution. Uh there's certainly a
[19:14] lot of proposals out there. Uh it's
[19:16] certainly going to take, as the speaker
[19:18] was just talking about, you know, the
[19:19] the the major powers now meeting at the
[19:21] G8 summit to really focus on this and to
[19:23] really try to apply some pressure. That
[19:25] seems to be how things in the past have
[19:27] been resolved. We'll see if it works
[19:28] this time.
[19:29] >> We'll take a break. Our panel remains
[19:30] and we'll check in with Dr. Muhammad
[19:32] Shata, the senior adviser to Lebanon's
[19:34] prime minister. You're watching Larry
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[22:21] >> We're back. Joining us from Beirut is
[22:22] Dr. Muhammad Shata, the senior adviser
[22:25] to Lebanon's prime minister. Dr. Shata
[22:27] is to your knowledge is your country
[22:29] talking to Israel at all?
[22:33] >> Um Larry we are talking to the whole
[22:36] international community. Uh as you know
[22:39] we don't have relations with Israel but
[22:41] there are many ways of talking uh to the
[22:43] international community who is of course
[22:45] talking to to the Israelis. We want this
[22:49] rampage to stop. This is a very bad
[22:52] situation as I think all of you realize
[22:55] in Washington. Uh this uh may have
[22:58] started with a big mistake abducting
[23:00] soldiers followed by a huge mistake with
[23:03] the Israeli uh government sending its uh
[23:07] its war plananes and its boats to
[23:09] bombard uh Lebanon. And we now want to
[23:12] stop it from becoming a disastrous
[23:14] mistake and we hope the the whole world
[23:16] will help us do that. What do you make
[23:19] of Hezbollah's uh leader, Mr. Nazallah,
[23:22] declaring open war on Israel today?
[23:26] >> Look, um, all of us have been in
[23:28] situations where bombs are flying around
[23:30] and the rhetoric goes up. That's why we
[23:33] want the bombing to stop. That's why we
[23:36] want a ceasefire. You cannot expect
[23:38] people to be talking insane language
[23:41] when you have these types of of of bombs
[23:45] being shelled from both sides. We want a
[23:48] ceasefire and it's then that people can
[23:51] talk some sense and find a way not only
[23:53] to solve this particular problem but to
[23:56] solve the underlying issues that led to
[23:58] it.
[23:59] >> The Israeli ambassador said today at the
[24:01] UN that if his nation succeeds against
[24:04] Hezbollah, you Lebanon will be the
[24:06] beneficiary. Do you agree?
[24:10] Look, uh, we've seen Israeli governments
[24:13] make the same mistake over and over and
[24:15] over again, thinking their that their
[24:17] military power can solve their problems.
[24:20] We've seen it in in Palestine. We've
[24:22] seen it in other places, and we've seen
[24:24] it in Lebanon, frankly, before. And it's
[24:26] happening again, again. This problem
[24:29] will not be solved from the barrels of
[24:32] Israeli guns. it can be solved in a
[24:35] serious way with the help of the
[24:36] international community with us Lebanese
[24:38] talking to each other in a serious way
[24:41] as well. And that was going on and what
[24:44] has happened in the last few days
[24:45] certainly is a setback. But it's not
[24:47] going to stop us from leading Lebanon
[24:50] out of this and helping the whole Middle
[24:52] East get out of the big mess it's in.
[24:55] >> Do you openly welcome Syria's support?
[25:00] Look, Arabs, Muslims everywhere uh
[25:04] support uh Lebanese. I mean, we we are
[25:07] part of the Arab nation and it's natural
[25:08] for the Syrian people to support us. We
[25:11] welcome any support. We do not want
[25:13] interference. We don't want
[25:14] complications coming from anyone within
[25:17] the region or outside the region. And
[25:19] that applies to Syria as well.
[25:21] >> Thank you, Dr. Shat. Dr. Muhammad Shat,
[25:23] the senior adviser to Lebanon's prime
[25:25] minister. George Mitchell. Um, who's the
[25:28] villain of the piece?
[25:31] >> Oh, I think Larry, there's plenty of
[25:32] blame to go around, but clearly the
[25:35] initial action by Hezbollah crossing the
[25:37] border and killing a group of Israeli
[25:40] soldiers and kidnapping two was a
[25:42] reckless act uh which has triggered
[25:44] this. I think the problem with trying to
[25:47] assign blame is the action proportionate
[25:50] is disproportionate was the bigger
[25:52] mistake the initial action or the later
[25:54] is that it deflects attention energy and
[25:56] resources from trying to solve the
[25:58] problem and bring it to a conclusion. I
[26:00] think all of the effort now should be
[26:02] first to halt the escalation, reverse
[26:05] it, bring about in effect a status quo,
[26:09] and then to move as aggressively as
[26:12] possible to deal with the underlying
[26:14] questions which lead to this kind of
[26:16] continuous eruption in the region.
[26:19] >> Senator Allen, did Israel overreact?
[26:22] >> Israel's protecting themselves and one
[26:25] can always look back from miles and
[26:27] miles away and say, gosh, they didn't
[26:29] need to do that. But Israel's targeting
[26:30] Hezbollah. The concern we all have and I
[26:34] and and believe it is of that of the
[26:36] Israelis as well as the targets are the
[26:38] Hezbollah terrorist organization trying
[26:40] not to have any collateral injury to the
[26:43] Lebanese who are also the the
[26:45] legitimately elected Lebanese government
[26:48] as uh Senator Mitchell uh stated are
[26:51] also being harmed by Hezbollah. I think
[26:54] we've if you'd listen uh to Ambassador
[26:57] Eyelon, one thing that would help and I
[27:00] think would maybe have everyone stand
[27:01] down would be if these two Israeli
[27:03] soldiers were returned safely.
[27:05] Ambassador Eyeon said if that happens,
[27:08] it would be looked upon favorably. Let's
[27:10] also look at the last time there was a
[27:12] big disaster in Lebanon with the
[27:14] assassination of Harreri. The United
[27:17] States was upset. Israel is upset. Our
[27:19] European allies, the French led the way.
[27:22] They were upset. And then also moderate
[27:24] or more reasonable Arab countries such
[27:26] as Jordan and and Egypt and others told
[27:29] the Syrians to get out of of Lebanon.
[27:32] And in fact, Syria then did get out of
[27:35] Lebanon without a single boot having to
[27:37] go on the ground. And it seems to me a
[27:39] unified international community uh with
[27:42] a gesture by returning those soldiers
[27:45] and also more reasonable countries in
[27:47] the Middle East who don't really like
[27:49] Hezbollah other than Syria and Iran, I
[27:52] think would be the way that this
[27:54] ultimately could come to resolution. But
[27:56] recognizing that Hezbollah is a
[27:58] terrorist organization and if they're
[28:00] allowed to stay armed, they will strike
[28:02] again. When we come back, we'll check
[28:04] back in with our journalist, beginning
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[31:07] Now, we'll check back in with our
[31:08] journalist Anderson Cooper in Niharia,
[31:11] northern Israel. I know, Anderson, you
[31:13] like to get down and dirty. So, what are
[31:16] the people saying?
[31:19] Um well to be honest, Larry, by the time
[31:20] I got here, which was uh sort of late
[31:22] this afternoon, most of the people had
[31:24] either left this town already or were
[31:26] already hunkered down in bomb shelters.
[31:28] Um I spent about an hour or two uh with
[31:30] a unit of Israeli soldiers who were
[31:32] shelling uh into southern Lebanon. Uh
[31:35] and they said, "Look, morale is high. Uh
[31:37] they're tired. They've been working
[31:39] round the clock for the last 3 days. Uh
[31:42] shelling uh really all day, all night
[31:44] long. Uh every hour, every two hours or
[31:47] so, lobbing more shells, uh tracking
[31:49] Kusha rockets which have been firing
[31:51] over here. More than 400 rockets, Larry,
[31:53] uh landing in northern Israel over the
[31:56] last 3 days alone. Uh you can imagine
[31:58] how people feel here. But but look,
[32:00] those soldiers I talked to said, "Look,
[32:02] we want our troops back. We want the two
[32:04] soldiers who've been kidnapped in
[32:05] Lebanon. We want them back. and the one
[32:08] soldier still missing in Gaza. We want
[32:10] them back. Uh and they seem determined
[32:11] to to keep going until they're told uh
[32:13] it's time to pull back.
[32:15] >> John V is there with you and he's been
[32:17] there as we said he's been there since
[32:20] this began. What are the people there
[32:21] saying, John? Not the soldiers, the
[32:23] people.
[32:25] >> Well, Larry, I think when it comes to
[32:27] this campaign in Lebanon, most Israelis
[32:29] are united behind this action being
[32:31] carried out by the Israeli government.
[32:32] Even if you look at some of the the more
[32:34] left-wing groups here, the peace groups,
[32:36] there is a a general consensus here that
[32:38] Hezbollah must be dealt with, either
[32:40] disarmed or destroyed. But according to
[32:42] some of the more militant voices in
[32:45] Israel and what we're seeing from the
[32:46] Israeli government is unity within the
[32:48] cabinet, speaking with one voice behind
[32:51] the Israeli prime minister. And for
[32:52] Israeli politics, that is extremely
[32:54] rare. Larry Nick Robertson in Beirut. Is
[32:58] Lebanon, to quote the vernacular, are
[33:00] they between a rock and a hard place?
[33:04] >> They certainly are, Larry. But I tell
[33:06] you what, talking to a lot of people
[33:07] here, you don't get the impression
[33:09] that's the way they're thinking. Uh
[33:11] there's almost an atmosphere, an
[33:13] electric atmosphere out on the streets
[33:14] this evening, like a rock concert,
[33:16] especially among the young people
[33:18] driving around at high speeds,
[33:20] screeching through the rubble in some of
[33:22] these uh where some of the bombs have
[33:23] gone off, talking in loud, excitable
[33:26] voices about the situation and pledging
[33:28] support for the Hezbollah leader and
[33:31] saying that the country should unify and
[33:33] fight against Israel. It it's it's
[33:36] almost counterintuitive, but right now
[33:38] they are between a rock and a very hard
[33:40] place because their fuel can be cut off.
[33:42] They can't get in and out of the country
[33:44] very easily. The electricity can be cut
[33:46] off. The airports all is shut down now.
[33:49] So, they're in a very tough situation.
[33:51] Larry
[33:52] >> Anish Raman, CNN's international
[33:54] correspondents in Damascus. What's the
[33:56] relationship of Syria with Iran?
[34:01] Well, Larry, it's one that cannot be
[34:03] ignored among this recent crisis. Today,
[34:05] we understand a phone call took place
[34:07] between the Iranian president and his
[34:09] Syrian counterpart. I was just in Iran a
[34:11] few months ago, and when you're there,
[34:13] you get the very real sense that Iran's
[34:14] president, Mahmud Ahmedad, is actively
[34:17] trying to be the leading voice for the
[34:19] Islamic world. He is trying to represent
[34:21] a people that he feels are
[34:23] disenfranchised. And today, he voiced
[34:24] support for his Syrian counterpart. The
[34:27] Syrian president, according to the
[34:28] Iranian news agency, said that Syria was
[34:30] not intimidated by Israel would respond
[34:33] if it was attacked. Syria knows that
[34:35] whether or not it wants to be, it is
[34:37] part of this escalating crisis. Don't
[34:39] forget at the end of June when Hamas
[34:41] abducted an Israeli soldier, Israeli
[34:43] planes flew over the residence of the
[34:45] Syrian president. That was a message and
[34:47] that message was received here. So Syria
[34:49] is monitoring this hour by hour. But
[34:51] that relationship, that public bond
[34:53] we're seeing between Iran and Syria is
[34:55] something that should not be ignored as
[34:57] we go forward. Larry
[34:58] >> and Ben Weedman in Gaza City. Is is
[35:01] Hamas merely adding salt to this wound?
[35:06] >> Well, really the original wound was
[35:08] called caused by Hamas when it captured
[35:11] on the 25th of June, Gilad Shalit, that
[35:14] 19-year-old Israeli army uh corporal.
[35:16] And really, it's all been downhill from
[35:19] there. uh they've in a sense been
[35:21] upstaged by Hisba's kidnapping of two
[35:24] Israeli soldiers and of course the
[35:26] subsequent extreme violence far more
[35:29] extreme than any thing we've seen here
[35:32] uh that's going on in Lebanon the
[35:34] warfare there so uh really they've gone
[35:36] from being center stage to being sort of
[35:39] uh junior partners or almost spectators
[35:42] uh to what is happening in Lebanon which
[35:44] has far broader connotations or uh
[35:47] ramifications than what has gone on here
[35:50] because here really Gaza is very much
[35:52] within the Israeli orbit whereas uh
[35:55] Hisbala is operating in a sovereign
[35:57] country Lebanon where there are many
[36:00] different competing interests here
[36:01] really uh people have as I said just
[36:04] become spectators to what is happening
[36:06] to the north Larry
[36:08] >> Anderson Koopa as someone who just
[36:10] arrived there what if anything has
[36:12] surprised you
[36:16] >> I guess just the the uh the number of of
[36:19] rockets which has certainly landed here
[36:21] over the last several days. The the
[36:23] rapidness of the escalation I mean this
[36:25] thing has really gone up in in a very
[36:28] short order in a very short amount of
[36:29] time and it doesn't seem as if there is
[36:31] is really any attempt to deescalate at
[36:34] this point. If anything certainly the
[36:35] rhetoric we've been talking about
[36:36] tonight coming from Hezbollah only seems
[36:38] to be ratcheting it up. uh the notion of
[36:41] some sort of increasing linkage between
[36:43] Hamas and Hezbollah whether it's
[36:44] ideological or organizational uh is
[36:47] certainly a worrying trend and something
[36:49] uh also that should be watched very
[36:51] carefully that's something we really
[36:52] haven't seen over the last several years
[36:54] and if that continues if there is this
[36:56] sort of linkage uh under the opaces of
[36:58] of Iran and Syria uh you know that that
[37:02] that's a very worrying thing not only
[37:04] for Israel but for the United States uh
[37:06] and for a lot of countries also in the
[37:08] region
[37:09] >> we'll be back with our panel and we'll
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[39:57] We now welcome from Washington the
[39:59] Syrian ambassador to the United States,
[40:01] Ambassador Immad Mustafa. Great to see
[40:03] him back with us. Good.
[40:04] >> Uh your reaction to um the Hezbollah
[40:07] chief Nazallah's vow of open war on
[40:10] Israel.
[40:11] >> Well, of course, my reaction first goes
[40:14] to the innocent casualties in Lebanon.
[40:16] Civilians are being massacred and killed
[40:18] around the hour. Uh CNN is not showing
[40:21] the images to the American people of of
[40:23] the the terrible uh ordeal the Lebanese
[40:26] population is suffering. Actually,
[40:29] Israel today is destroying Lebanon for
[40:31] the second time within 20 years. And uh
[40:35] today today uh what the leader ofah has
[40:38] said was the following. Two days ago he
[40:40] offered Israel an immediate exchange of
[40:43] prisoners. Today he said Israel seems to
[40:45] want open war. Then it will have what it
[40:48] wants. What he is trying to say is
[40:50] Israel has has to stop this massacre
[40:52] ongoing massacre against the is Lebanese
[40:55] people.
[40:56] >> Mr. Ambassador, are you saying CNN is
[40:58] not showing this deliberately?
[41:00] >> I don't know the mysterious policy of
[41:02] CNN. But I would say if CNN would show
[41:05] the American people what's happening in
[41:06] Lebanon, the American people would know
[41:08] who is really the terrorist state in the
[41:10] Middle East. Killing civilians, women,
[41:13] children, bombarding the infrastructure
[41:14] of Lebanon, destroying Lebanon for the
[41:17] second time within 20 years. How unfair.
[41:21] >> Syria left Lebanon. Did you leave too
[41:23] soon?
[41:24] >> When we left Lebanon, Lebanon was a
[41:27] prosperous country. When we were there,
[41:29] the Lebanese were rebuilding their their
[41:31] country. and Beirut once again became
[41:33] the pearl of the Middle East. Look what
[41:36] what Israel is doing today to Lebanon.
[41:38] At least we can say we helped the
[41:40] Lebanese and we left when it was time to
[41:42] leave.
[41:44] >> Uh the 24 hours have passed since you
[41:46] were last with us. Things gotten any
[41:49] better?
[41:49] >> No, they have worsened. More and more
[41:51] people are being killed. This is bad for
[41:54] all humanity, not only for the Lebanese.
[41:57] >> The Bath party, your bath party is fully
[41:59] supporting the Lebanese people. Are you
[42:02] >> I think any decent human being,
[42:04] including yourself possibly, should
[42:05] support the Lebanese facing this
[42:07] barbaric attack of the Israelis.
[42:11] >> Uh you see any end?
[42:14] >> There should be an end. We have been in
[42:16] Syria calling in the past two days for
[42:18] the international community to
[42:20] interfere. What is happening today is
[42:22] shameful. Today the Lebanese government
[42:24] went to the United Nations Security
[42:26] Council requesting that the Security
[42:28] Council should act on on on uh
[42:31] restraining Israel. The United States
[42:33] immediately opposed this. This exactly
[42:35] tells the Lebanese people who their
[42:37] friends are while they are being
[42:39] bombarded and being killed. The American
[42:41] administration is is preventing any
[42:43] international effort to to to control
[42:46] and the situation and to ask Israel to
[42:49] to stop its hostilities.
[42:51] >> Thank you, Mr. Ambassador, Ambassador
[42:53] Immad Mustafa, the Syrian ambassador to
[42:55] the United States.
[42:56] >> Thank you.
[42:56] >> Uh George Mitchell, does he have a
[42:58] point?
[43:00] >> Well, Larry, I want to make another
[43:02] point that really hasn't been focused on
[43:04] understandably you're dealing with the
[43:06] immediate crisis. I think over the
[43:08] longer term, one of the most significant
[43:10] developments out of this negative
[43:13] developments is that in the contest
[43:16] going on within Islam, uh, the moderates
[43:20] lose ground and the extremists are
[43:22] strengthened in the context of what is
[43:25] now occurring. Much has been written and
[43:27] said about the struggle between the West
[43:29] and Islam, but of equal perhaps greater
[43:32] importance to the future, the long term
[43:35] is the struggle that's going on within
[43:37] Islam. And there are many moderate,
[43:39] responsible, democraticallyincclined
[43:42] uh people in the Arab world and they are
[43:45] losing ground in this context when of
[43:48] course uh people revert to uh uh
[43:51] stronger positions and the extremists
[43:53] are gaining ground. That I think is a
[43:54] very worrying thing for the long term.
[43:56] >> Senator Allen, what does George Bush do?
[44:01] >> President Bush needs to make sure that
[44:03] the United States stands strong against
[44:05] terrorist organizations such as
[44:07] Hezbollah, stand with our friend Israel,
[44:10] try to get the rest of the international
[44:11] community united as they were earlier.
[44:14] It was interesting to listen to
[44:16] Ambassador Mustafa of of of Syria
[44:19] talking about how wonderful Syria was in
[44:21] the international community. I hope he
[44:23] remembers that last year the entire
[44:25] international community said to Syria,
[44:28] "Get out of Lebanon." Lebanon was once a
[44:31] wonderful country, the pearl, the Paris
[44:33] of the Eastern Mediterranean until the
[44:35] Syrians wrecked, which is a shame for
[44:38] the Lebanese people. And the thing that
[44:40] must be done, and it would be great if
[44:41] Syria would do this, is say return those
[44:43] two Israeli soldiers that they
[44:45] kidnapped. They killed other Israeli
[44:47] soldiers, but they abducted others. and
[44:49] the other me the and if that's done I
[44:52] think that would be a gesture that could
[44:54] get everyone to step back at least for a
[44:56] few days and get the international
[44:58] community in it but again Syria is is is
[45:02] seeming to use propaganda and and
[45:05] ignoring the reality that they're the
[45:07] ones who are helping Hezbollah and
[45:10] mostly funded by Iran but Syria being
[45:12] proximate being the main sponsor and
[45:14] disruptive force
[45:16] >> when we come back George Mitchell
[45:18] Senator Allen and Nick Robertson, CNN
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[49:24] the Palestinian legislator, a former
[49:26] candidate for the presidency of the
[49:28] Palestinian National Authority. He's in
[49:30] Ramallah on the West Bank. What's your
[49:32] reaction to Nazala's vow of open war on
[49:35] Israel?
[49:39] Well, obviously this escalation uh that
[49:41] is going in the wrong direction is going
[49:44] to lead to a widespread war in the
[49:46] region. And I think uh that uh this is
[49:50] not what we all need. This is not what
[49:52] the Libanese people need. This is not
[49:53] what Palestinians need. This is not what
[49:55] the Israelis need. Unfortunately, the
[49:58] war is totally disproportional. As you
[50:00] can see from the images, Israel has
[50:03] probably the fourth largest army in the
[50:05] world. It can destroy so many things.
[50:07] But also, I believe that the acts, the
[50:09] Israeli acts of collective punishment of
[50:12] the people do not help neither the
[50:14] moderates in this region nor the
[50:16] prospects for the future. Uh,
[50:19] additionally, I would say I know now
[50:21] that everybody is concentrating on
[50:22] Lebanon, but uh, it is very clear as
[50:25] Senator Mitchell said, the root of the
[50:28] problem is the Palestinian issue. And
[50:30] the root of the problem is this
[50:31] continuous Israeli occupation for 40
[50:34] years of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
[50:37] And now we have a much worse situation
[50:40] in Gaza with a severe severe
[50:42] humanitarian crisis there affecting
[50:44] thousands and thousands of people. I
[50:47] think there is a way out of this and the
[50:49] way relates very much to the United
[50:51] States. There should be evenhandedness
[50:53] in dealing with this conflict. There
[50:55] should be real effort in convening an
[50:57] international peace conference, a real
[51:00] negotiations to solve the problem.
[51:02] Hiding away from the problem of
[51:04] occupation did not help. We've seen
[51:06] Israel say that unilaterally they will
[51:08] withdraw from Lebanon, from Gaza, but
[51:11] actually they never withdrew from Gaza.
[51:14] Isra Gaza remained a prison. The problem
[51:16] remained and there is only one way out
[51:18] of this which is an international peace
[51:20] conference. Putting all the issues on
[51:22] the table, resolving the issue of
[51:24] occupation, ending this occupation and
[51:26] allowing peace to prevail.
[51:29] >> Continuing with wars with more military
[51:31] power will help nobody. It won't help
[51:34] anybody.
[51:35] >> Do you think that will happen?
[51:40] I believe it all depends on uh the
[51:43] international community but specifically
[51:45] on the United States. The United States
[51:47] for the United States to be able to play
[51:49] a useful and uh productive role here uh
[51:52] it has to concentrate on being
[51:54] evenhanded in this conflict by being
[51:57] totally on the side of Israel by the way
[51:59] is not going to help Israel because it
[52:00] will deepen the conflict by being
[52:02] evenhanded and having an approach that
[52:05] respects international laws which says
[52:07] that no country can occupy another
[52:09] country. No country can continue to
[52:10] oppress another people will actually
[52:12] eventually help both Palestinians and
[52:14] Israelis because occupation is like a
[52:16] cancer that is dragging Israel from one
[52:19] war into another. Another issue that is
[52:21] has to be applied here is the issue of
[52:24] uh of uh no double standard. There is a
[52:26] very severe issue of double standard.
[52:28] You know how much we struggled in
[52:30] Palestine to have a democratic system.
[52:33] how much we struggle to build democratic
[52:35] movement and I don't think that
[52:37] arresting or kidnapping 27 legislators
[52:40] in Palestine or uh ministers in the
[52:43] cabinet is an act that is correspondent
[52:46] to the issue of democracy. There has to
[52:48] be certain principles that are respected
[52:50] everywhere and open the door. This is
[52:52] what would help democrats. This is what
[52:54] would help moderates in this region.
[52:56] This is what would help people who have
[52:58] been struggling for peace. I was a
[53:00] member of the Palestinian negotiating
[53:01] team in Madrid back in 1992 93 and I I
[53:06] never thought that after all these years
[53:09] after 13 years we will still go into
[53:11] from one war into another. There was an
[53:14] opportunity and unfortunately it was
[53:16] lost because there was no even-handed
[53:18] approach. There was a possibility we
[53:21] would have had a Palestinian state by
[53:22] now. We would have had prosperity and
[53:25] democracy prevailing in the whole
[53:26] region. Palestinians under terrible
[53:29] occupation have managed to give one of
[53:31] the best examples of democratic
[53:32] practice. But now we are seeing it being
[53:35] destroyed yet by another act of war.
[53:38] There is a way out of this and I don't
[53:40] know why many countries won't support
[53:42] the idea of an international peace
[53:44] conference. Let's put everything on the
[53:46] table and let's resolve the issues.
[53:48] >> Thank you Dr. Bargoodi. We'll take a
[53:49] break and when we come back we'll get to
[53:51] the thoughts of George Mitchell, Senator
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[56:23] Middle East. Every angle from Hifa,
[56:25] Beirut, and across the troubled region
[56:27] as casualties and fears of a wider war
[56:30] grow. 360 CNN Sunday night, 10 Eastern.
[56:38] Before we get some thoughts from Senator
[56:39] Allen and George Mitchell, who's been
[56:40] with us all the way. Nick Robertson, our
[56:43] sen CNN senior international
[56:45] correspondent in Beirut. What what do
[56:46] you do now? Do you stay there? What
[56:48] what's what's your motus operandi?
[56:52] Larry, I think the situation is very
[56:53] dynamic and it's very fluid. I think the
[56:57] there is nothing at the moment to
[56:58] curtail it and stop it and I think we're
[57:00] going to see it for a time escalate.
[57:02] This is a hard news story for some time
[57:04] to come and I think we just have to
[57:06] follow it and follow where it goes. I
[57:08] think the uh the focus is going to be
[57:10] Beirut at the moment and the south of
[57:12] Lebanon, but this is going to be a wild
[57:14] ride. I think I think all bets are off
[57:16] on what's going to happen over the next
[57:17] few days. Thanks, Nick. Great reporter,
[57:21] CNN senior international correspondent
[57:23] Nick Robertson. George Mitchell, what
[57:24] did you make of what the Palestinian
[57:26] representative had to say?
[57:30] It confirms the reality, Larry, that it
[57:33] is indispensable that there be strong
[57:35] and effective American leadership to
[57:37] deal with the immediate crisis and of
[57:40] even more importance the long-term
[57:42] issues in the region. That's a matter of
[57:45] fact, not of boasting or of arrogance by
[57:47] an American. The reality is that given
[57:50] our role in the world and in the region,
[57:53] there is no entity other than the United
[57:55] States government which can create the
[57:57] context a and enforce any agreement that
[58:01] might be reached. Uh it has to happen.
[58:03] It won't happen without us.
[58:05] >> Senator Allen, do you believe the
[58:07] American public supports this idea
[58:11] >> of what? American leadership
[58:13] >> and no getting involved in the region.
[58:15] >> Well, we are involved in the region and
[58:16] we have been involved in the region. And
[58:18] the reality is is the United States does
[58:20] have to take the lead, but we can't do
[58:21] it alone. The United States is not going
[58:23] to have an impact or influence over a
[58:26] terrorist organization such as
[58:27] Hezbollah, who is not only at war with
[58:31] Israel and the West, including the US
[58:33] and Europe, they're also, if you look at
[58:35] this brand of radical Islamism, they
[58:38] they hit in India. That's not the West.
[58:40] They have hit in Indonesia. They have
[58:42] hit in in the Philippines. That's not
[58:45] the West. Senator Mitchell made made the
[58:48] point and Anderson Cooper apparently is
[58:49] going to bring it up in the next show
[58:51] about the two different types of
[58:53] Islamism and this radical aspect is once
[58:56] they can take control of a country
[58:57] they're dangerous and we got to make
[58:59] sure they don't take control over
[59:01] Lebanon. The way to handle this is not
[59:03] with appeasement. It was interesting to
[59:05] listen to the Palestinian uh gentleman
[59:08] who was saying, "Oh, let's bring
[59:09] everyone to the peace table." One thing
[59:11] they might do is actually recognize the
[59:13] right of Israel to exist. They don't
[59:16] recognize the right of Israel to exist.
[59:18] And so where this is going to have I
[59:21] think have the impact of change will be
[59:23] from other countries in the region.
[59:25] Saudi Arabia has no reason to want such
[59:28] a country Hezbollah to be running
[59:30] rampant in creating this. Nor does
[59:32] Egypt, nor does Jordan, nor does Turkey.
[59:34] And so it seems to me that the more
[59:36] reasonable, rational Arab countries,
[59:39] Muslim countries are the ones who are
[59:42] really at stake and they need to also
[59:44] step forward because they'll have the
[59:46] most influence.
[59:47] >> Thank you so much. And we'll be calling
[59:48] on you again. We appreciate you for you
[59:51] and George Mitchell for providing great
[59:52] insight tonight.
[59:53] >> Great to be with you.
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