CNN - Iraq War - 2003-03-23 - 1 p.m. (E)
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[0:00] International Committee of the Red Cross
[0:01] has been in touch with the Iraqi
[0:03] government involving the Kuwaiti POWs
[0:05] from the first Gulf War. Absolutely, but
[0:08] again, let's not mix all the cases. This
[0:11] is a totally different case. This is a
[0:13] case that the ICRC will work on
[0:14] specifically. And as you just mentioned,
[0:17] we did have
[0:19] a kind of a commitment to to treat those
[0:21] people as per the Geneva Conventions.
[0:23] So, I don't think we should mix
[0:25] everything together. All right, Tamara,
[0:27] thank you very much. Good luck to you
[0:29] and the Red Cross, the International
[0:30] Committee of the Red Cross. Good luck to
[0:32] all your fellow workers. You're doing
[0:34] important work. Paula, back to you.
[0:36] Thanks so much, Wolf. We want to talk
[0:38] with Lieutenant Colonel Dale Storr, who
[0:41] was shot down over Kuwait during Desert
[0:43] Storm, was taken to Baghdad where he was
[0:46] held prisoner for 33 days. He is now
[0:49] flying with the Washington State
[0:50] National Guard. He joins us from
[0:53] Spokane, Washington. Thank you very much
[0:55] for joining us. First of all, when you
[0:58] heard the news the government had
[0:59] confirmed that Americans had been taken
[1:02] prisoners of war, what went through your
[1:04] mind?
[1:06] Well, it put me right back in the in the
[1:07] prison again. Um
[1:09] it's a terrible terrible thing. I I feel
[1:12] so sorry for those guys. My heart goes
[1:13] out to them and their families. Uh
[1:16] I just I hope that Baghdad treats them a
[1:18] lot better than they treated us.
[1:20] You heard the Wolf Blitzer just read
[1:21] some kind of bulletin saying the Iraqis
[1:23] now say they will treat they will not
[1:26] violate the Geneva Convention here, but
[1:28] that wasn't the case when you were held
[1:29] prisoner, was it?
[1:31] No. No. They never they had
[1:34] for us during Desert Storm. They never
[1:36] admitted to or even tried to
[1:38] obey the Geneva Conventions. They had
[1:40] gross violations when they treated us.
[1:42] But
[1:43] yeah, they better treat those guys
[1:44] according to the Geneva Conventions. I
[1:45] will hold them 100% responsible for any
[1:47] mistreatment that they might receive. Do
[1:49] you have any reason to believe they
[1:50] really would honor the Geneva
[1:52] Conventions this time?
[1:54] Uh personally, no. I don't
[1:57] I don't believe in that. They they
[1:59] treated us so horribly.
[2:00] But I will still I expect them to.
[2:03] I will demand them to. And like I said,
[2:05] I'll hold them 100% responsible for any
[2:07] mistreatment that they might receive.
[2:10] Uh Dale, if you wouldn't mind standing
[2:12] by, we'd love to get back to you in a
[2:13] couple of minutes. I need to go straight
[2:14] to CNN Center where Leon Harris is
[2:16] standing by and we'll rejoin this
[2:17] conversation. Leon, what's going on?
[2:22] >> [music]
[2:23] >> Well, hello, Paula. This is Leon Harris
[2:25] in CNN Center. We're going to get back
[2:26] to Paula and Wolf Blitzer in just a
[2:27] minute. But first, here is what's
[2:29] happening this hour. The Pentagon says
[2:30] fewer than 10 US soldiers have been
[2:32] captured or killed in Iraq. Officials
[2:35] have begun notifying their families.
[2:37] Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says
[2:39] Iraqi TV footage of what it says are the
[2:41] captured soldiers violates the Geneva
[2:44] Conventions.
[2:45] Iraqi forces scoured the Tigris River in
[2:48] Baghdad today purportedly looking for
[2:50] pilots from a coalition plane. However,
[2:53] neither the US nor Britain says that any
[2:55] planes are missing in that area.
[2:57] US Marines are attacked as they push
[3:00] toward Baghdad. A rocket-propelled
[3:01] grenade hit a troop carrier in the
[3:03] southern city of Nasiriyah. It's not
[3:05] known how many Americans were hurt or if
[3:07] any were killed in that incident.
[3:09] Nasiriyah is a key crossing point over
[3:11] the Euphrates River.
[3:13] The 3/7 Cavalry unit came under fire
[3:16] earlier today in south-central Iraq. One
[3:18] soldier was hurt. US warplanes swooped
[3:21] in and then bombed the Iraqi sites in
[3:23] response, quelling that action. Defense
[3:25] Secretary Don Rumsfeld says a couple
[3:27] thousand Iraqis are in US custody right
[3:29] now. It's not known whether they were
[3:31] captured in battle or if they were just
[3:33] among those who surrendered to the
[3:34] United States.
[3:36] President Bush is keeping abreast of the
[3:37] developments at Camp David. This morning
[3:39] he met with Dick Cheney, Condoleezza
[3:41] Rice, and his other advisers, and he's
[3:42] expected to return to the White House
[3:44] later on today.
[3:46] I'm Leon Harris in Atlanta. Now, let's
[3:47] go back to Paula in New York. Paula.
[3:49] Thanks so much, Leon. And we go back to
[3:52] our interview with Lieutenant Colonel
[3:53] Dale Storr, whose plane was shot down
[3:56] during Desert Storm over Kuwait. He was
[3:58] later taken to Baghdad and treated very
[4:01] badly when he was held prisoner there
[4:03] for some 33 days. He now flies with the
[4:05] Washington State National Guard. Uh
[4:07] Dale, are you still on the phone with
[4:09] us?
[4:09] Yes, I am. I'm here, Paula.
[4:12] >> I know that we had reported the Iraqis
[4:14] at least are saying they will not
[4:16] violate the Geneva Convention. You have
[4:18] no faith that they really will abide by
[4:20] those rules.
[4:21] Help our audience understand what it is
[4:23] that you endured when you were a
[4:25] prisoner.
[4:26] Uh well, it was mostly interrogations of
[4:29] the the hardest part. Uh
[4:31] There was a lot of physical abuse. They
[4:33] dislocated my right shoulder, broke my
[4:37] Uh banged up my left knee pretty good.
[4:39] It all got all swollen up and couldn't
[4:41] move move it much anymore.
[4:44] And at one point you said it just seemed
[4:45] they they like doing it for the
[4:48] Hello? In a And you said they seemed to
[4:51] derive some sort of enjoyment from it.
[4:54] You know,
[4:55] yeah, some of the guards did.
[4:56] They were just jerks. They just like
[4:58] they handcuff you and blindfold you and
[5:00] walk you into a concrete wall. And they
[5:02] think that'd be funny.
[5:04] There was just all kinds of stuff like
[5:05] that that they do.
[5:07] Your memories of this obviously remained
[5:10] vivid to the point where you can even
[5:12] remember the smells of the the dank cell
[5:16] you were held in. Describe to us the
[5:18] living conditions.
[5:20] Uh for the most part, I was living in a
[5:22] a small cell by myself. Cold. Bare
[5:25] concrete floor.
[5:26] One to two small ratty wool blankets.
[5:30] Um it was a very cold. Uh
[5:33] And in one cell after I had gotten
[5:35] giardia,
[5:36] which is a very bad
[5:40] vomiting and diarrhea.
[5:42] I the Iraqis wouldn't let me use the
[5:44] bathroom. They had to use a corner of my
[5:46] cell as a bathroom for 3 days and and
[5:48] live in my own sewer type of thing.
[5:50] Uh
[5:51] miserable life.
[5:53] How did you get through it?
[5:56] Uh you know, it's just
[5:58] you don't have any other choice.
[6:00] You know, you can't just give up. It's
[6:02] your belief in God.
[6:04] Belief in my country. Knowing that the
[6:06] United States wasn't going to let me sit
[6:08] in that cell and just rot. Knew the
[6:10] United States was going to get me home.
[6:12] Kind of sustains you.
[6:14] I know the training is supposed to
[6:16] prepare you for those kinds of
[6:17] situations. How did the training kick in
[6:20] at all?
[6:21] Well, the
[6:23] we receive it Fairchild Air Force Base,
[6:25] our survival school there,
[6:26] it does a lot for you.
[6:29] You can get through these these times.
[6:31] The resistance training they teach us
[6:33] allows us to uh
[6:35] help help us battle the
[6:37] weakness.
[6:38] Try to defeat them that way.
[6:41] course out there and I don't made it
[6:43] through without it.
[6:44] Can you give us some insight into what
[6:47] some of these prisoners currently being
[6:48] held by the Iraqis might be going
[6:51] through? You described the physical
[6:52] violence you endured. What else might
[6:55] they be subjected to?
[6:57] Yeah, the the first few days
[6:58] [clears throat]
[6:59] are usually
[7:00] that's
[7:01] they were definitely the worst for me.
[7:03] The inter-
[7:04] physical beatings all most of them were
[7:07] in the first few days. Not all of them
[7:08] by any means, but most of them.
[7:11] Now they're being processed. Hopefully
[7:12] they're finding them a safe prison to
[7:14] put them in.
[7:15] Not using them as human shields as
[7:17] Uh and I hope they're getting some
[7:20] medical treatment.
[7:22] Did you get enough food when you were
[7:24] prisoner?
[7:26] Uh no. Actually after I got giardia, I
[7:29] begged guards
[7:31] for some medication to
[7:33] And
[7:34] no, they kept saying it was that they
[7:36] were they were going to get a doctor to
[7:37] give me. They never did.
[7:39] And did you have any other contact with
[7:41] other prisoners?
[7:43] Yes. I mean on the 23rd
[7:45] of February I was shot down on the 2nd.
[7:48] The
[7:49] four F-117 stealth fighters came in and
[7:51] bombed our prison. And for that was
[7:57] Dale, you still there?
[7:58] Yes, I'm still here, Paula.
[7:59] >> cutting in and out. A final question for
[8:02] you. We just heard our General David
[8:04] Grange talk about the impact this might
[8:06] have on the morale of troops. And he
[8:08] said in an odd way it might even
[8:12] increase the resolve to get the job
[8:14] done. What do you think?
[8:16] I do. I think so.
[8:19] It does tend to would inspire me. I know
[8:21] when I saw those guys on TV when I was
[8:23] still flying and fighting in the war,
[8:25] it made me work that much harder to get
[8:26] those guys back to win that war and get
[8:28] those guys home.
[8:30] Well, Lieutenant Colonel Dale Storr,
[8:31] thanks for your patience as we divided
[8:33] your interview into two separate parts.
[8:35] And we wish you the best of luck. Thanks
[8:37] again for your time today.
[8:39] As I go back to Wolf, Wolf, I know you
[8:41] said that you viewed this Al Jazeera
[8:44] tape which shows some of these American
[8:46] prisoners being interviewed. All I have
[8:49] seen is the single image, the the print
[8:52] image. And and that alone made me
[8:54] absolutely sick to my stomach.
[8:59] Well, if you actually see the video tape
[9:01] and millions of people around the world
[9:03] already have, it is a very very
[9:06] depressing sight to see these US
[9:08] soldiers. Obviously
[9:11] some of them in pain. Some of them have
[9:12] been wounded. And they're still they
[9:14] still have you can see the the the
[9:16] wounds in them. Some of them have been
[9:18] bandaged. Others are being forced to
[9:21] talk. And the picture of the young woman
[9:24] who is seen in this video tape, a US
[9:27] Army soldier from Texas, she is clearly
[9:30] terrified by the notion of the questions
[9:33] being asked of her. It's heart-wrenching
[9:36] sight to see. Certainly I can understand
[9:39] why the Defense Secretary Donald
[9:40] Rumsfeld asked all of us not to air
[9:43] these images. It's it's a very very
[9:46] depressing notion. At the same time,
[9:48] the the family members might be
[9:50] encouraged at least see their loved ones
[9:52] alive on television. So, there's always
[9:54] a delicate balance that has to be made
[9:57] in going forward with the decision
[9:59] whether or not to air these kinds of
[10:01] pictures. Let me recap precisely what
[10:04] happened for our view Yeah, go ahead,
[10:06] Paula. Oh, I'm sorry. I I just wanted
[10:08] you in your interview with the
[10:09] representative I believe it was from the
[10:11] Red Cross had been handed a bulletin
[10:13] talking about Iraq claiming it would
[10:16] abide by the Geneva Convention. You just
[10:17] heard with Kenneth Colonel Dale Store
[10:19] who was held for 33 days during Desert
[10:22] Storm saying that's a that's an absolute
[10:25] joke. That will never happen.
[10:28] Well, that that's the accounts that that
[10:30] I remember getting from a lot of the
[10:32] POWs after the first Gulf War that they
[10:35] were mistreated. They certainly weren't
[10:36] treated according to the rules governing
[10:38] the Geneva Conventions
[10:40] and and let's hope this time it changes.
[10:43] Obviously, let's hope the Geneva
[10:44] Conventions are adhered to. The initial
[10:47] step parading them before TV cameras and
[10:50] making them answer these questions
[10:51] obviously is not encouraging, but we'll
[10:54] see what happens in the hours and days
[10:57] to come. Let me just recap, Paula, for
[10:59] our viewers what exactly has happened on
[11:01] this specific issue for for viewers who
[11:04] may just be tuning in right now. Earlier
[11:06] today, the Pentagon said fewer than 10
[11:09] of its troops were missing. Shortly
[11:11] after that, CNN received the first
[11:13] pictures of American soldiers killed and
[11:15] captured in action in Iraq. The pictures
[11:18] were transmitted by the Al Jazeera
[11:20] Arabic language satellite network. The
[11:22] video was shot by state-run Iraq
[11:25] television. We want to let the audience
[11:27] know that these pictures and the
[11:29] interviewers were disturbing. CNN has
[11:31] made a decision not to show the video of
[11:34] those killed and will instead use this
[11:36] single image with no identifiable
[11:39] features. In other images, it was
[11:41] apparent some soldiers had been shot,
[11:43] some of them in the forehead. We don't
[11:46] know their identities. Five other
[11:49] soldiers were interviewed and each gave
[11:52] their name and home state in the United
[11:54] States. The Pentagon tells CNN that it's
[11:57] notifying the families of those captured
[12:00] and those who were killed. We're
[12:02] standing by now for some video tape that
[12:05] we're about to get. I think it's going
[12:07] to be getting We're going to be getting
[12:08] it very, very soon. I don't know how
[12:10] much longer we're going to be getting
[12:12] it. The President of the United States
[12:14] spoke, I believe, at Camp David. Here he
[12:16] is.
[12:17] >> early stages
[12:28] I unfortunately we're we're going to
[12:30] have to wait and get that video tape.
[12:32] The President now back, I believe, from
[12:34] Camp David at the White House speaking
[12:36] to reporters just a short while ago. The
[12:40] the the President making the point as
[12:42] we'll see how the war is going. We'll
[12:44] get that tape ready. In the meantime,
[12:45] let's go to Barbara Starr at the
[12:47] Pentagon. Barbara, the video tape, the
[12:49] Al Jazeera Iraq television video tape
[12:52] obviously very very disturbing. What are
[12:54] officials over at the Pentagon saying
[12:57] behind behind the scenes?
[13:00] Wolf, officials here at the Pentagon are
[13:02] taking a very sensitive approach to this
[13:04] matter. Right now, it is largely a
[13:07] humanitarian issue trying to get a hold
[13:10] of the families, trying to notify them
[13:14] so they know the fate of their loved
[13:16] ones. It's also very clear today after
[13:18] all the action in Iraq, there are a
[13:20] number of US fatalities. They are trying
[13:23] to sort all of that out and notify those
[13:27] families as well. In terms of the war,
[13:30] it's not at all clear there would be any
[13:31] immediate impact. This is an
[13:33] administration which is determined to
[13:35] proceed with the campaign as they have
[13:37] laid it out and there's really no
[13:39] indication that this would change the
[13:41] war plan of General Tommy Franks.
[13:44] There had been an expectation as US
[13:46] forces moved closer
[13:48] moved further into Iraq, I should say,
[13:51] that they would run into more
[13:53] confrontations with better equipped
[13:55] Iraqi forces as they got closer to
[13:57] Baghdad. So, perhaps some of this very
[14:01] unfortunate action today in Iraq not a
[14:04] huge surprise. It is also the case as
[14:08] people have commented on our air earlier
[14:09] today before US forces are ever sent
[14:12] into some sort of hostile action, they
[14:15] get a number of briefings, especially
[14:17] air crews, but they all get a number of
[14:18] briefings on the possibility of being
[14:21] taken prisoner of war and what they
[14:23] might expect. But clearly from the tape
[14:25] which so many people around the world
[14:27] have now seen, these young people are
[14:29] just terrified at their situation, Wolf.
[14:33] And it seems based on what the Defense
[14:36] Secretary said, Barbara, and what you're
[14:37] hearing that all expectations are that
[14:40] the fighting probably will get much more
[14:42] intense as US and coalition forces move
[14:45] closer towards Baghdad, move closer
[14:47] towards Tikrit, which is the ancestral
[14:49] hometown of Saddam Hussein, the Tikriti
[14:52] clan, so many of whom have come to
[14:55] dominate the Iraqi leadership over all
[14:57] of these decades. I want to alert our
[14:59] viewers, Barbara, and I want you to be
[15:00] patient with us. The President spoke
[15:03] only a little while ago
[15:04] and we have this video tape. We want to
[15:06] show our viewers what the President said
[15:09] just a few seconds ago.
[15:21] I am uh
[15:23] pleased with the progress that we're
[15:24] making in the early stages
[15:27] of a uh of the war to
[15:31] rid Iraq of its weapons of mass
[15:32] destruction
[15:34] and to free the Iraqi people
[15:37] from the clutches of a
[15:40] brutal dictatorship.
[15:42] Uh today in our
[15:44] church service, Laura and I prayed for
[15:46] the coalition forces
[15:48] uh those in the coalition forces who
[15:50] lost their lives.
[15:52] We pray for their families.
[15:55] We ask God's comfort for those who mourn
[15:57] today.
[15:59] And we thank all the coalition forces
[16:01] for their bravery and courage
[16:04] in Operation Iraqi Freedom.
[16:08] It is uh evident that
[16:11] uh
[16:12] it's going to take a while to achieve
[16:14] our objective,
[16:16] but we're on course.
[16:19] We're determined
[16:21] and we're making good progress.
[16:23] I'll answer a few questions, Scott. Uh
[16:25] let one at a time, please. One at a
[16:27] time, please. Scott.
[16:29] Thank you.
[16:32] Uh I've been briefed.
[16:34] I'm constantly briefed by the Pentagon
[16:37] and
[16:38] through the National Security Office.
[16:41] I would
[16:42] I don't know uh all the details yet.
[16:47] I do know that we expect him to be
[16:48] treated humanely,
[16:51] just like we'll treat any prisoners
[16:54] of theirs
[16:55] uh that we capture humanely.
[16:58] I think it's an interesting contrast
[17:01] uh
[17:04] that a lot of their soldiers welcome
[17:06] American troops. They're they're
[17:08] surrendering gleefully happily and and
[17:12] they'll be treated well. And uh
[17:14] uh I ask you to ask the Defense
[17:16] Department for further details. Patsy.
[17:21] I know that Saddam Hussein is losing
[17:23] control of his country.
[17:26] That uh
[17:30] that we're slowly but surely achieving
[17:34] our objective.
[17:37] It's important for the American people
[17:38] to realize that
[17:41] this uh war has just begun.
[17:45] That it may
[17:48] may seem like a long time because of all
[17:50] the action on TV,
[17:53] but in terms of the overall strategy,
[17:54] we're just in the beginning phases.
[17:57] And that we're uh
[17:59] executing a plan
[18:02] which will make it easier to achieve
[18:05] objective
[18:06] and the same time
[18:08] spare innocent life.
[18:11] And I'm most proud of our troops
[18:14] and coalition troops
[18:16] uh for um
[18:18] for showing their bravery and skill.
[18:20] Larry.
[18:28] I Yes, Larry, it is. It is and I
[18:31] um
[18:33] the air campaign is achieving its
[18:35] objective and the ground campaign
[18:37] is also achieving objectives. We're
[18:40] uh we're
[18:41] slowly but surely
[18:44] uh taking control of that country so
[18:46] that we can free the people of Iraq
[18:49] and uh eventually clear that country of
[18:52] weapons of mass destruction.
[18:54] We've made good progress.
[18:56] One of the big concerns early on was the
[18:58] southern oil fields.
[19:00] As you all remember, we had discussions
[19:02] about that. There was a lot of
[19:03] speculation about whether or not
[19:06] coalition forces would be able to get to
[19:07] the southern oil fields in time before
[19:10] so that Saddam Hussein wouldn't destroy
[19:12] them. As a matter of fact,
[19:13] I had
[19:14] frequently talked about the southern oil
[19:17] fields or oil fields in general in my
[19:19] declaratory policy.
[19:22] Uh
[19:22] Tommy Franks put a plan in place to move
[19:24] on those oil fields quickly and at least
[19:27] in the south
[19:29] they are secure.
[19:30] And that is positive news for uh
[19:33] for all of us.
[19:34] Most of the south is now in
[19:36] in
[19:37] coalition hands. Obviously, there's
[19:39] pockets of resistance in a place like
[19:41] Basra. We're making great progress. In
[19:42] the west, we're making great progress.
[19:44] The areas, the launch sites for the
[19:46] scuds, well, certainly not 100% secure,
[19:49] but we made good progress. And so I I
[19:51] can assure the American people we're
[19:52] making good progress and also can assure
[19:54] them that this is just the beginning
[19:57] of of a tough fight.
[20:01] Yeah.
[20:02] The next.
[20:06] I have not been told that. I have been
[20:08] told that we have a problem
[20:11] uh with uh potential capture.
[20:14] I'm waiting to tell when I get back
[20:16] upstairs, I'll talk back to the Pentagon
[20:18] again. I was told early this morning
[20:20] that perhaps
[20:22] um
[20:23] uh our troops were captured. Uh maybe,
[20:26] you know, between the time I left Camp
[20:28] David and here, I'll learn more, but I
[20:30] am concerned about our troops.
[20:32] Obviously, anytime one of our soldiers
[20:35] loses a life, I I I
[20:37] grieve with their parents and their
[20:38] loved ones. And if there is somebody
[20:41] captured and it looks like there may be,
[20:43] I expect those people to be treated
[20:44] humanely.
[20:46] What is your level of confidence
[20:48] that the Iraqi regime will surrender or
[20:52] collapse before US forces need to engage
[20:56] in a fight in Baghdad? Uh I I'm I'm All
[20:59] I know is we got a game plan,
[21:01] a strategy uh to uh
[21:04] uh free the Iraqi people from Saddam
[21:06] Hussein and rid this country of weapons
[21:09] of mass destruction and we're on plan.
[21:11] Bill and Mike.
[21:12] >> Iraqi TV has shown what appear to be
[21:15] American POWs and also what appear to be
[21:18] American dead.
[21:20] I expect them to be treated the POWs I
[21:22] expect to be treated humanely.
[21:24] And uh
[21:26] uh
[21:27] just like we're treating
[21:30] the prisoners that we have captured
[21:31] humanely.
[21:33] If not, the people who mistreat the
[21:35] prisoners will be treated as war
[21:36] criminals. Mike. President, do you
[21:38] retain hope that Saddam Hussein will go
[21:40] into exile and are there any active
[21:42] negotiations
[21:44] You know, Mike, I uh
[21:47] he had his chance to go into exile.
[21:50] I gave him a 48-hour ultimatum to leave
[21:52] the country
[21:53] so that we could disarm Iraq peacefully.
[21:55] He chose not to go into exile.
[21:58] President, how concerned are you about
[21:59] the situation in the north and Turkey
[22:03] stated that they will send troops in
[22:05] there and the Americans might get caught
[22:06] in some kind of crossfire up there? We
[22:08] have got more troops up north and we're
[22:11] making it very clear to the Turks that
[22:13] we expect them not to come into northern
[22:14] Iraq. We're in constant touch with the
[22:18] Turkish military as well as Turkish
[22:19] politicians. They know our policy. And
[22:22] it's a firm policy. And we've made it
[22:24] very clear to them we expect them not to
[22:26] go into northern Iraq as well as in and
[22:28] they know we're working with the Kurds
[22:29] to make sure there's not the an incident
[22:31] that would cause there to be an excuse
[22:33] to go into northern Iraq.
[22:43] I say to the families thank I thank them
[22:46] for the sacrifice they make
[22:49] and we pray with them.
[22:52] I pray for God's comfort
[22:55] and God's healing powers
[22:57] to anybody, coalition force, American,
[23:00] Brit, anybody who loses a life
[23:03] in this uh
[23:04] uh
[23:06] in our efforts to make the world more
[23:07] peaceful
[23:09] and more free. Ed.
[23:10] >> Mr. President, are you surprised the
[23:12] enemy has not used any weapons of mass
[23:14] destruction?
[23:14] >> I am thankful the enemy has not used any
[23:16] weapons of mass destruction.
[23:19] And uh
[23:20] uh we will uh
[23:22] continue employing a strategy to make it
[23:25] difficult for the enemy to use weapons
[23:27] of mass destruction. Couple more and
[23:29] then I got to go.
[23:35] Wait till I talk to them.
[23:38] Probably best they hear it directly from
[23:40] me.
[23:44] What?
[23:49] Of course.
[23:54] Yeah, good good question. I I appreciate
[23:57] you asking that question. The question
[23:58] is on humanitarian aid.
[24:01] Um
[24:03] in the south of Iraq
[24:05] our coalition forces have worked hard to
[24:08] make the port area secure,
[24:11] to make the transit of humanitarian aid
[24:13] as safe as possible.
[24:15] As uh I was told this morning in my
[24:17] briefings
[24:19] that
[24:20] humanitarian aid should begin moving
[24:22] massive amounts of humanitarian aid
[24:24] should begin moving within the next 36
[24:26] hours.
[24:28] And that's going to be very positive
[24:29] news for a lot of people who've suffered
[24:31] a long time under Saddam Hussein.
[24:34] We've got a massive a ground assault
[24:37] going on and right behind it will be a
[24:39] massive uh
[24:41] movement of humanitarian aid to help the
[24:44] people of Iraq. We have made the promise
[24:46] to the people of this uh country that we
[24:48] were
[24:50] we will do everything we can to protect
[24:51] innocent life
[24:53] and we're doing that
[24:55] and that we'll do everything we can to
[24:56] help the Iraqi people.
[24:59] First thing that of course will help the
[25:00] Iraqi people is to rid them from a a
[25:02] brutal dictator.
[25:04] Somebody who has uh stayed in power
[25:07] through mutilation and rape and torture.
[25:11] Somebody who starved his own people so
[25:13] he could build palaces.
[25:16] When free from that from that
[25:18] dictatorship, the life will be a lot
[25:19] better, but we also understand we have
[25:21] an obligation and this is just not
[25:22] America, it's coalition forces.
[25:25] Have an obligation to put food and
[25:26] medicine
[25:28] uh
[25:28] in places so the Iraqi people
[25:31] uh can live a
[25:32] you know, a normal life and have hope.
[25:35] And uh that's exactly what's going to
[25:36] happen shortly when the area is
[25:39] completely safe enough to move the move
[25:41] the
[25:41] equipment forward. Listen, thank you
[25:43] all.
[25:43] >> you holding up, sir? Feel just fine.
[25:47] Thank you all. President Bush speaking
[25:48] to reporters answering questions as he
[25:51] returns to the south lawn of the White
[25:52] House only a few minutes ago. That was
[25:54] videotape coming back from Camp David,
[25:56] his presidential retreat in the
[25:59] mountains of nearby Maryland. The
[26:01] president insisting he's pleased with
[26:02] the progress of the war. He says it will
[26:05] take a while, in his words, to achieve
[26:07] the objectives. I know Saddam Hussein is
[26:09] losing control of his country, the
[26:11] president says. Slowly but surely we are
[26:14] achieving our objectives, he goes on to
[26:15] say this war has just begun. And the
[26:18] president also announcing that
[26:20] humanitarian aid to the Iraqi people
[26:23] will shortly begin. Our White House
[26:25] correspondent Suzanne Malveaux is at the
[26:27] White House. She was listening to this
[26:28] as were as we as we were listening to it
[26:32] as well. The president uh deciding to
[26:34] answer questions that he really hasn't
[26:36] done this since the start of the war,
[26:38] has he?
[26:39] Well, he hasn't, but Wolf, uh we
[26:40] expected this because at a time like
[26:42] this, of course, he is acts the role as
[26:44] commander-in-chief, but also someone who
[26:46] needs to comfort the nation, uh
[26:48] particularly in a time of uh turmoil and
[26:50] crisis. The president, of course,
[26:52] emphasizing the positive, saying there
[26:53] was progress in the war, but also
[26:55] warning Americans that this will take
[26:57] some time, that it is slow in going, but
[26:59] he did recognize he said he was briefed
[27:02] about the potential of American
[27:03] hostages, and he said very clearly a
[27:06] message to those Iraqi soldiers, Iraqi
[27:08] officials, saying that he expects that
[27:10] the POWs will be treated humanely just
[27:13] as the United States treats its own
[27:15] prisoners of war. He also said if they
[27:17] will not be treated humanely, then they
[27:19] will be treated, those Iraqi soldiers,
[27:22] those Iraqi officials, as war criminals.
[27:24] He was also asked, is there any chance
[27:27] now of getting those American soldiers
[27:29] back? He said, of course. And then also
[27:32] when asked about, what do you say to the
[27:34] families of those, perhaps even those
[27:36] overseas who've seen that tape on Al
[27:38] Jazeera, those soldiers either who have
[27:40] been killed or captured, he simply said,
[27:42] I say to the families that I thank them
[27:44] for their service and I pray for their
[27:47] comfort, Wolf.
[27:49] Suzanne, also the president said good
[27:51] progress being made in the western part
[27:54] of Iraq from which Scud missiles were
[27:56] launched in in Israel a dozen years ago.
[27:58] He says progress is being made in the
[28:00] north, but he had a stiff warning to the
[28:02] government of Turkey, a NATO ally, don't
[28:04] go into northern Iraq, don't cross that
[28:07] line. He was very firm, perhaps a bit
[28:09] firmer than I had heard from other top
[28:11] Bush administration officials.
[28:13] Well, absolutely, Wolf. That is a
[28:15] concern of the administration. If those
[28:16] Turkish troops go in significant
[28:18] numbers, that will really disrupt things
[28:20] with the Kurds. The Turkish officials,
[28:22] of course, are worried that the Kurds in
[28:24] their own country will unify with those
[28:26] Kurds in Iraq and cause quite disarray,
[28:28] but the administration really trying to
[28:31] discourage that from happening. They
[28:33] feel that this would complicate matters
[28:35] on the ground, and of course, the
[28:36] president giving a stern warning. He
[28:38] also said as well in terms of Saddam
[28:41] Hussein that he does not have control of
[28:43] the country. He said slowly but surely
[28:45] we're achieving our objective, and he
[28:48] also said that Saddam Hussein had his
[28:50] chance to go into exile. He was given 48
[28:52] hours. Certainly sounds like, Wolf, that
[28:54] there are no chances at all that Saddam
[28:57] Hussein would be would come out of this,
[28:59] uh and certainly no chances that uh he
[29:01] would still have that offer on the
[29:02] table. The president making it very,
[29:04] very clear. This is going to be what he
[29:06] called a tough fight, Wolf.
[29:09] Yeah, well, it sounds like the president
[29:10] was saying that Saddam Hussein he had a
[29:12] a one shot almost fire sale. Get you
[29:15] could get one pass, you could leave, but
[29:17] within that 48-hour period, Saddam
[29:19] Hussein rejected it. As a result, no
[29:21] more exile opportunities for Saddam
[29:23] Hussein. Suzanne Malveaux at the White
[29:25] House. This important note for our
[29:27] viewers, we're standing by at the top of
[29:29] the hour, in about a half an hour or so
[29:31] from now, 2:00 p.m. Eastern, another
[29:33] briefing from the Central Command.
[29:36] General Tommy Franks, the general in
[29:37] charge of this war, the Central
[29:39] Commander, he'll be briefing reporters
[29:41] in Doha, Qatar at the As Saliliyah Air
[29:44] Base, that's just outside of Doha in
[29:46] Qatar, the temporary headquarters of the
[29:48] Central Command CNN. Of course, we'll
[29:51] have live coverage. Paula? And thanks,
[29:54] Wolf. Of course, we continue to get very
[29:55] good information from our own reporters
[29:57] embedded with various forces in between
[29:59] those news conferences. Aircraft carrier
[30:02] USS Lincoln is part of the coalition
[30:04] force against Iraq. CNN's Kyra Phillips
[30:06] is on board, and she reports live now by
[30:09] video phone. Kyra?
[30:13] Paula, every morning Admiral Kelly comes
[30:15] across the ship's speaker and updates
[30:18] and encourages the sailors here who are
[30:20] carrying out carrying out Operation
[30:22] Iraqi Freedom. And today he talked about
[30:25] cockpit discipline. He mentioned that so
[30:27] far every bomb dropped has been with
[30:30] absolute certainty and accuracy. And you
[30:32] know, it's been 10 days since the shock
[30:34] and awe campaign, that massive aerial
[30:36] bombardment on Baghdad. And we had a
[30:39] rare chance to sit in on some briefings.
[30:42] This is unprecedented. The Navy's never
[30:44] allowed the press uh before for
[30:46] journalists to sit in on these briefings
[30:47] before an actual wartime scenario. And
[30:51] we got to meet uh some of the pilots who
[30:53] were the first to go into Baghdad on
[30:55] this massive strike. We put the elements
[30:58] together so you would be able to see how
[31:00] exactly this all went down.
[31:03] Keep the G's on the jet. Keep your air
[31:05] speed. Here on the USS Abraham Lincoln,
[31:09] it's the night they've been training and
[31:10] preparing for for months. Our mission
[31:13] objectives, we heard that. Hit the
[31:15] target.
[31:16] Kill MIGs. VF-31, the F-14 Tomcatters
[31:20] squadron, is about to take part in a
[31:22] massive aerial bombardment against Iraqi
[31:25] President Saddam Hussein and his regime.
[31:28] A lot of lights, a lot of explosions.
[31:30] Don't get mesmerized by that. Focus on
[31:32] what you need to do. Lieutenant Steve
[31:34] Eurich
[31:35] doesn't know it now, but he will take on
[31:37] a very crucial role.
[31:42] The Tomcatters will join more than 100
[31:45] coalition aircraft as they are expected
[31:47] to at least more than 1500 bombs and
[31:50] missiles in the next couple of days
[31:52] converging on Iraq in the campaign
[31:55] that's being called shock and awe.
[32:01] Armed with satellite and laser-guided
[32:03] bombs and numerous types of missiles,
[32:06] these F-14 and F-18 strike fighters are
[32:09] about to make history.
[32:17] Back in the Tomcatters ready room,
[32:19] fellow pilots wait and watch the news.
[32:22] They know what's about to happen.
[32:28] A little shock and awe. Military sites,
[32:31] Saddam's Republican Palace, and offices
[32:34] of the foreign ministry all hit.
[32:38] The initial strike takes only 7 minutes.
[32:41] Life changes quickly, not only for Iraq,
[32:44] but Lieutenant Steve Eurich.
[32:49] A chain of events puts him in the lead
[32:51] position of his F-14 division to and
[32:54] from Iraq. The end of the night debrief
[32:57] is emotional.
[32:59] Look like something right out of Star
[33:01] Wars.
[33:03] It was very intense. A lot of adrenaline
[33:05] and just pretty much uh
[33:07] when you're flying in there and you see
[33:08] all this and there's so many moving
[33:09] parts to obviously what all happened
[33:11] tonight, you you try to absorb it all
[33:14] and it kind of feels like you're uh
[33:17] almost coming out of your skin. All the
[33:19] big, you know, feelings and emotions
[33:20] started coming back after we were
[33:21] already headed home out of the any uh
[33:24] threat areas. Just kind of wow, you feel
[33:26] the the weight of what you just did and
[33:28] everything. It all really hits you. Just
[33:30] hoping that, you know, whatever we're
[33:32] doing out there makes it easier for the
[33:33] ground troops that are forcing in that
[33:34] are actually have, you know, we're lucky
[33:36] cuz we get to go in there, do our 20, 30
[33:38] minutes and get out and come back here.
[33:40] Those guys have to be on the ground the
[33:41] whole time. This is the first time I've
[33:43] ever been shot at with uh missiles
[33:45] >> that looked like they were guiding on
[33:46] us.
[33:47] Uh it was it was nice that the that the
[33:49] training and tactics and stuff that we
[33:51] practiced actually worked and we were
[33:53] able to defeat those shots and get into
[33:55] the target, get our bombs off. Uh they
[33:57] all found their way to the appropriate
[33:59] target and then we brought everybody
[34:01] back.
[34:03] Now the question is, how much longer
[34:06] will these pilots be in the fight?
[34:11] Now you heard Lieutenant Dale Gregory,
[34:13] one of the strike fighter pilots, say
[34:14] that one of their biggest concerns are
[34:16] the troops on the ground. And just
[34:18] thinking about the news that's come out
[34:20] today about these soldiers, possible
[34:23] American POWs, I have to tell you these
[34:26] strike fighter pilots, that's constantly
[34:28] on their mind and why they're out there
[34:29] and why they're dropping bombs. They're
[34:31] trying to shape the battlefield. They're
[34:32] trying to protect the troops on the
[34:34] ground and take away that threat so when
[34:36] the troops do come in, they will be
[34:38] protected and won't have any types of
[34:40] surprises. A number of missions still
[34:42] being carried out, a number of bombing
[34:44] campaigns. Recent targets, leadership
[34:46] compounds, runways, air defense systems,
[34:49] command and control sites, tanks, and
[34:51] other facilities such as the Republican
[34:53] Guard special operations warehouses. A
[34:55] number of those have taken out in the
[34:57] past day. Now, something else that's
[35:00] been taking place, very important today,
[35:01] this also sort of
[35:04] binds a bit with what's taking place
[35:06] with these POWs, and that is forward air
[35:09] control FAC missions. These strike
[35:11] fighter pilots taking off into Iraq and
[35:14] basically uh looking down and making
[35:16] sure that the troops are safe and
[35:18] conducting surveillance in a way. And if
[35:20] indeed they have communication with the
[35:21] troops and the troops are concerned
[35:23] about an area ahead, the strike fighters
[35:25] can check that out. And if they do see a
[35:27] threat, they can communicate to other
[35:29] strike fighters to put together the
[35:31] coordinates to drop a bomb. So as you
[35:33] can imagine, since shock and awe began,
[35:36] uh it's slowed down a little bit, but
[35:38] the consistency has not slowed down. Uh
[35:40] Paula, the missions continue all through
[35:42] the day and all through the night. Well,
[35:44] your access was amazing. I don't think I
[35:46] ever remember seeing a debriefing in
[35:48] that great of detail. Kyra Phillips,
[35:50] thanks so much. Back to Wolf now in
[35:51] Kuwait City. Wolf, I don't know if you
[35:53] were able to hear that piece, but uh it
[35:55] was really very interesting.
[35:58] I heard every word uh and our viewers,
[36:00] of course, heard every word thanks to
[36:01] Kyra Phillips. She's doing an excellent
[36:03] job for all of us. Uh let's go to
[36:05] Christiane Amanpour now. She's uh in
[36:07] northern Kuwait, not far from the Iraqi
[36:10] border. She's covering the story
[36:11] obviously very thoroughly. Christiane,
[36:13] what's the latest from your vantage
[36:15] point?
[36:18] Well, for the last couple of days we've
[36:19] been in and out of southern Iraq. First
[36:21] at Umm Qasr, which we've seen has gone
[36:23] much slower than people expected, that
[36:25] vital port for humanitarian aid, which
[36:27] officials in the military want to get in
[36:29] as soon as possible for the people. That
[36:32] is going slower than expected. And a
[36:33] note on uh prisoners of war. We've been
[36:36] talking a lot about that during your
[36:38] show just now. And what we have noticed
[36:40] here is as there are hundreds of Iraqi
[36:42] prisoners of war, we, the press, for
[36:45] instance, are under very strict rules
[36:46] about how we can show them. We're not
[36:48] allowed to show them up close. We can't
[36:50] show their faces. We're being told that
[36:53] they've been given all the food and
[36:54] water and and shelter that they require.
[36:57] So very strict controls over the
[36:59] prisoner of war issue. And that we saw
[37:01] more of them today at the Rumaila oil
[37:03] fields in the south. We took a trip
[37:05] there. The Allied forces here, the
[37:07] British, wanted to show us how this was
[37:09] a very strategic and important target
[37:12] that had been taken early, almost from
[37:14] the outset of the ground offensive.
[37:19] At war, would the Iraqi regime resort to
[37:22] a scorched-earth policy? Would it torch
[37:25] its own oil fields as US and British
[37:28] officials insisted that was the big
[37:30] question. And to be sure, close-up any
[37:33] oil well fire looks catastrophic. But in
[37:36] fact, only seven of about 500 wells in
[37:39] the Rumaila oil field, Iraq's biggest,
[37:42] have been set ablaze. In the end, there
[37:44] was effectively nothing at all. Um which
[37:46] was uh for us very reassuring, but we
[37:49] actually obviously had to work on worst
[37:50] case. So just hours after the ground
[37:53] invasion began, US Marines raced to
[37:55] secure these fields in southern Iraq,
[37:58] followed closely by British Royal
[38:00] Engineers and explosive experts. This
[38:03] wasn't a little a little sideshow in the
[38:05] operation. This was an actual a critical
[38:07] part of the coalition whatever the
[38:09] future form that Iraq takes, I mean,
[38:11] pervasive in that is its oil and its oil
[38:13] income.
[38:17] Indeed, this field in the south produces
[38:20] 60% of Iraq's oil, and everyone
[38:23] remembers the ecological and
[38:24] environmental havoc Iraq caused by
[38:27] setting Kuwait's oil fields ablaze 12
[38:30] years ago. In a futile attempt to
[38:32] obscure the vision of invading US and
[38:35] British forces, the Iraqis did fill some
[38:38] trenches with oil around key
[38:39] installations. Some of those trenches
[38:41] they set on fire. And now there is a
[38:44] fairly strong smell of oil in the air.
[38:46] But according to the British Royal
[38:48] Engineers here, there is no evidence yet
[38:50] of any attempts by the Iraqis to booby
[38:53] trap or cause serious sabotage.
[38:56] Army engineers discovered that by
[38:58] picking carefully through the critical
[39:00] gas and oil separation plants, shutting
[39:03] down valves and the big taps called
[39:05] manifolds. They are all off now awaiting
[39:09] private contractors to restart the oil
[39:11] production.
[39:13] The Iraqi army put up some resistance
[39:15] and US Marines took some combat
[39:17] casualties. But here, as elsewhere in
[39:20] Iraq, many soldiers surrendered. The
[39:23] British say they have 500 POWs, and that
[39:26] number could grow to 1,000.
[39:29] And as they begin to secure large parts
[39:31] of the south, more troops and material
[39:35] pour in, pushing ever deeper upcountry.
[39:41] And a final note on those POWs, you saw
[39:44] them going into a collection center. All
[39:46] the POWs that are being uh that have
[39:48] surrendered and are being collected down
[39:50] in the southern area are gradually being
[39:52] brought to one big collection area, and
[39:55] this will be under the control of the
[39:57] British troops in the southern Iraqi
[39:59] area, Wolf.
[40:02] Christiane Amanpour in northern Kuwait
[40:05] along the border with Iraq. Christiane,
[40:06] thanks very much. Paula?
[40:09] Wolf, I guess the best insights we've
[40:10] been given today came from Lieutenant
[40:12] Colonel Dale Storr, who was held by the
[40:13] Iraqis for some 33 days as a prisoner
[40:17] when his plane was shot down over
[40:19] Kuwait. He later ended up in Baghdad,
[40:21] where he was held, and he told us uh
[40:24] just about an hour ago how he was
[40:26] routinely beaten, uh not given the food
[40:28] he he needed, and he said the first 3
[40:31] days were the hardest of his
[40:33] imprisonment. Heavy traffic continues at
[40:36] some air bases. In addition to some of
[40:38] the air support missions that we've
[40:40] heard described by our embeds, US planes
[40:43] have been attacking targets in Iraq. And
[40:45] with troops missing and a British plane
[40:47] down, several search and rescue missions
[40:49] have been flown. CNN's Gary Tuchman
[40:51] joins us from an air base near Iraq.
[40:53] Gary, what's the latest you've learned?
[40:58] Well, Paula, hello to you. The A-10
[41:00] attack craft behind me are at a base
[41:02] right near the border of Iraq. This is a
[41:04] very busy base, and because of that, the
[41:06] 8,000-plus servicemen and women here
[41:09] know that they are a military target. As
[41:11] a matter of fact, one Iraqi missile fell
[41:13] 25 mi away from here. So, there has been
[41:16] some tension on this base. Most of the
[41:18] days this week they've had sirens,
[41:20] they've had to put on their gas masks.
[41:21] They have been required up until now to
[41:24] have their chemical suits on at all
[41:25] times except when they're in bed and in
[41:27] the shower. But today is the first day
[41:29] we haven't had alert warning siren, and
[41:32] they have been allowed to take the
[41:33] chemical suits off, although they're
[41:34] carrying them with them wherever they
[41:36] go. With us right now is the man in
[41:38] charge of operations at this base. It is
[41:40] Colonel Rodriguez. He's the operations
[41:42] group commander.
[41:44] I want to ask you, Colonel, thank you
[41:45] for joining us, and tell us how things
[41:47] are going so far. You're in charge of
[41:48] all these planes and facilities here.
[41:50] How have things been going so far in
[41:51] this war for you? The operations tempo
[41:54] for the men and women of the 332nd have
[41:56] been phenomenal. Uh everything that
[41:58] we've expected has been exactly what we
[42:00] have been able to uh produce.
[42:03] Uh the sorties that we've been able to
[42:04] generate out of here and the support
[42:06] that we've been able to uh uh provide
[42:08] for the air power air war
[42:10] has been on track. You've been talking
[42:12] about Americans who are missing,
[42:14] Americans who may be POWs. Let me ask
[42:16] you, this is one of the largest airbases
[42:18] in the theater. Have all your pilots
[42:20] come back safely? That's affirmative.
[42:22] I've been able to keep 100%
[42:23] accountability of all the crews. And uh
[42:26] that's one of the tasks at hand uh to
[42:28] make sure everything is everything's
[42:30] going the way it's supposed to. Can you
[42:32] tell me how many aircraft you have here?
[42:34] Can't tell you specifically what kind I
[42:36] have or how many of each, but roughly
[42:38] about over 180 uh different types of
[42:40] airplanes here on our patch. You may not
[42:42] be able to be specific, but we do know
[42:43] these are A-10s. Tell us about these
[42:45] A-10s back here. What do they do? Well,
[42:46] the A-10, as you can see behind us,
[42:48] that's a tank killer. It's primarily a
[42:50] close air support asset. Uh has the
[42:53] capability of delivering the 30-mm very
[42:55] precise gun, and also the Maverick, and
[42:58] also a variety of other weapons in
[43:00] support of the ground forces. We see on
[43:02] the front of those planes the teeth of
[43:04] the tiger, right? Yes, the uh the the
[43:07] Flying Tigers have a great history.
[43:09] History goes back to World War II, and
[43:11] the performance of the men and women of
[43:12] the Flying Tigers here has met up to the
[43:14] match of of their history. Final
[43:16] question for you. Any unanticipated
[43:18] problems at this base?
[43:20] No, we've uh we've drilled down most of
[43:22] the issues. There's a lot of combat
[43:24] experience on this base. All the men and
[43:26] women have performed admirably, and we
[43:29] continue the pace that has been tasked
[43:31] of us. Uh
[43:32] as you can see here, 24/7, our job is to
[43:35] be ready, and and no one has shorted
[43:38] that one bit.
[43:39] Colonel, I want to thank you for talking
[43:40] with us. I appreciate it. Have a great
[43:42] evening. Okay, you too. 550 roughly
[43:44] sorties over the last 48 hours in the
[43:47] total theater at at least 38 different
[43:48] locations throughout the world. We're
[43:50] talking 3,500 sorties. You're talking
[43:53] about 12 to 15% of the total sorties of
[43:56] this air campaign coming from this one
[43:58] particular base. Paula, back to you.
[44:01] Gary Tuchman, thanks so much. It's their
[44:03] job to be ready, Wolf, 24/7. A very big
[44:07] job indeed.
[44:11] An incredible job. I want to go right
[44:13] now to Iraqi television. They're airing
[44:15] this news conference with the Iraqi
[44:17] defense minister. Let's listen in.
[44:23] Which were left burning in place.
[44:28] Before the eyes
[44:30] before the eyes of the tribespeople,
[44:32] they all witnessed that.
[44:37] Cuz it was close to the city.
[44:42] And the other sector of Basra in the
[44:44] Zubair.
[44:49] The enemy tried to take a passage to to
[44:52] cross to to Zubair towards Basra.
[44:57] The units uh
[44:59] confronted
[45:01] and stopped them on the bridges, and
[45:03] they today
[45:05] uh demolished three tanks.
[45:14] Even in the Zubair, the militia of the
[45:16] party
[45:20] and the tribe tribesmen
[45:26] also inflicted damages to two tanks.
[45:38] The uh tanks retreated.
[45:41] And this is the situation in Zubair.
[45:45] And the bridge of Khaziza that the
[45:48] minister of information talked to
[45:51] uh a few hours ago.
[46:04] The sixth division, the brave sixth
[46:07] division
[46:13] They downed an unmanned airplane.
[46:18] Our situation in Basra
[46:21] When I say Basra, I mean the city of
[46:23] Basra.
[46:27] Our situation is very good, thank God.
[46:32] And we are in our
[46:34] positions, and we are in on our land.
[46:39] And the directions that the enemy is
[46:41] coming from uh are all the directions
[46:44] are very well known.
[46:45] And
[46:46] our
[46:48] And our
[46:50] fighting is something that will be
[46:52] pleasing
[46:54] to pleasing to our friends.
[46:58] And will
[46:59] And will will not be pleasing to the
[47:02] enemies, Zionists, and so on and the
[47:05] likes.
[47:06] The morale of the people is high.
[47:19] The tribesmen are using
[47:21] are using
[47:23] a
[47:24] parallel grenade to
[47:26] to attack the
[47:28] tanks. This is the standard.
[47:32] In the Dhi Qar province
[47:35] in Nasiriyah
[47:38] We said
[47:40] that in the last brief that the enemy
[47:42] was at the outskirts of Nasiriyah.
[47:47] The enemy tried at Nasiriyah from
[47:51] more than one direction.
[47:57] They tried
[48:00] to let tell them to let them towards the
[48:02] city.
[48:04] Uh more than three attempts.
[48:07] Uh lost 17 armored vehicles.
[48:12] Uh
[48:17] And they were not able to
[48:19] make any skirm- skirmishes with any of
[48:22] our fighters in the city.
[48:27] In the Suq ash-Shuyukh sector
[48:30] The enemy, the criminal enemy
[48:32] attacked our
[48:34] third
[48:39] battalion
[48:40] of the 47th Brigade.
[48:47] This that battalion
[48:50] They
[48:51] that were were attacked They were
[48:52] attacked three times, and each time
[48:59] Uh we each time we uh we lo- they
[49:03] destroyed the enemy two tanks
[49:06] three times, and then two in the last
[49:08] attempt.
[49:10] And that
[49:12] the battalion is still holding fast in
[49:16] their position
[49:17] with high morale.
[49:20] And they retreated 2 km.
[49:22] The en- the enemy retreated 2 km.
[49:26] The the enemy retreated 2 km from there.
[49:31] When
[49:33] when they were not able to achieve
[49:35] anything from these two directions.
[49:38] They went They went behind the city
[49:41] towards towards the desert.
[49:45] towards Samawah.
[49:48] It passing through Ali base
[49:51] air base.
[49:56] And they continued advancing towards the
[49:59] north the Samawah.
[50:01] And they
[50:03] they hit the They They stopped They came
[50:06] to stop at the city. They tried to get
[50:09] into the city.
[50:13] But the militia and the tribesmen
[50:15] confronted them.
[50:21] And outskirts of the city they stopped.
[50:25] And they destroyed many armored
[50:27] vehicles.
[50:37] Then they diverted again towards
[50:40] the desert.
[50:44] And they passed They They actually
[50:47] passed the city.
[50:51] towards the Najaf.
[51:00] The other activity in Nasiriyah
[51:05] last night
[51:08] They
[51:09] They managed to get the precision
[51:12] precision
[51:15] helicopters towards the base.
[51:18] And several armored units were dropped.
[51:24] The tribesmen and the militia party
[51:27] the party militia went out to fight.
[51:31] And
[51:32] they fought in this area.
[51:36] The The regular army units
[51:41] And the Jerusalem army units
[51:46] And the tribesmen
[51:59] All right, that's the defense minister
[52:02] of Iraq the the general Sultan Hashim
[52:05] Ahmed talking about the military
[52:07] campaign insisting that the Iraqis are
[52:09] doing well holding on to Nasiriyah
[52:12] insisting that the US and British forces
[52:14] moving on that key town in the south
[52:16] central portion of Iraq are meeting not
[52:18] only with the resistance but he claims
[52:20] that heavy US casualties and British
[52:22] casualties have been encountered. We're
[52:24] going to continue to monitor this
[52:26] briefing by the Iraqi defense minister
[52:29] as well as the information minister get
[52:30] back there as news warrants. But in the
[52:33] meantime, let's bring in the chairman of
[52:35] the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
[52:37] Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana who's
[52:39] been watching all of these dramatic
[52:41] developments with us listening very
[52:43] patiently. First of all Senator Lugar
[52:46] how disturbed are you at this notion
[52:48] that US soldiers have been captured
[52:50] taken POW by the Iraqi government?
[52:54] Well, I'm disturbed that the prisoners
[52:56] have been taken. I'm disturbed by the
[52:58] fact that 23 coalition forces nine
[53:01] Americans 14 British have been killed.
[53:05] And the sympathy of all Americans is
[53:06] with them and with their families.
[53:11] Senator Lugar We're going to get a lot
[53:13] more information on that at the top of
[53:15] the hour. We're standing by for a
[53:16] briefing from the US Central Command the
[53:18] Central Command in charge of conducting
[53:20] this war for the US military. We'll go
[53:23] there live when that happens right at
[53:24] the top of the hour to Cutter the
[53:26] temporary headquarters. What if anything
[53:29] can the US government do to try to make
[53:32] sure that these POWs are treated
[53:35] according to the Geneva Conventions?
[53:38] The President of the United States has
[53:39] responded to that question in the very
[53:42] most succinct way that he could have.
[53:44] And that is we expect the Iraqis to
[53:46] treat our prisoners according to the
[53:49] Geneva code. In the event that they are
[53:51] mistreated those who mistreat them will
[53:54] be treated as war criminals. You cannot
[53:56] say it any more directly. And that is
[53:59] precisely the view that I have.
[54:02] What kind of track record does Iraq have
[54:04] from the first Gulf War in treating
[54:06] American POWs? Their track record is
[54:10] abysmal. And the testimony
[54:13] we've had on your program today from an
[54:15] American POW indicates how brutal that
[54:18] treatment has been.
[54:22] From your standpoint Senator Lugar how
[54:24] is this war going?
[54:27] It appears to me that uh
[54:29] a great attempt was made by our country
[54:32] in the so-called decapitation strike.
[54:34] That is the cruise missiles
[54:36] that uh hit in the area that we felt
[54:38] Saddam Hussein and his leaders were.
[54:41] That might have been a decisive blow.
[54:45] Uh it appears that it was not in the
[54:47] sense that some chain of command clearly
[54:50] is there and resistance in the Nasiriyah
[54:53] area that has been demonstrated on both
[54:56] the Iraqi briefing and ours shows that
[54:59] some troops probably came down to the
[55:01] aid of that situation. And clearly if
[55:04] Basra has some activity still it's
[55:07] because it was bypassed that is
[55:09] block-to-block fighting did not occur.
[55:11] Having said that it is clear because
[55:14] watching the film that American troops
[55:16] are moving toward Baghdad that air
[55:18] strikes have been precise and very
[55:20] effective. And the President of the
[55:22] United States as he came back from Camp
[55:24] David indicated clearly that we are
[55:28] winning the war. We are going to persist
[55:30] with the war. Saddam will be vanquished.
[55:33] The weapons of mass destruction will be
[55:35] found. The basic issue on the Iraqi side
[55:39] is how many Iraqis will be killed. How
[55:42] much of their own country will be hurt
[55:45] because of continued resistance at this
[55:48] point. And I think that's the basic
[55:50] question. Uh it we're debating this in a
[55:52] way internationally through your
[55:55] network. If Iraqis have any impression
[55:58] that there is any weakening on the
[56:00] American side that there is any lack of
[56:03] solid resolve expressed by the Senate 99
[56:05] to zero in behalf of the
[56:07] commander-in-chief and our troops
[56:09] they're wrong. They need to know that.
[56:11] And to the extent that they cease and
[56:13] desist rapidly lives will be saved.
[56:17] Based on the briefing Senator Lugar that
[56:19] you've received and I know you receive
[56:21] high-level briefings all the time in
[56:23] your capacity as chairman of the Foreign
[56:24] Relations Committee what can you tell us
[56:27] about the status of Saddam Hussein?
[56:31] I can tell you nothing more than you
[56:32] have reported. Namely that there were
[56:34] initial intelligence reports from
[56:37] various sources that he was carried from
[56:40] his building where it was on a stretcher
[56:43] apparently injured. Uh certainly dispute
[56:46] as to whether the Saddam who appeared on
[56:49] television hours later was Saddam or a
[56:52] double. Preponderance of information is
[56:54] probably it was Saddam. Uh what
[56:57] condition he's in what his mood in very
[56:59] hard to tell because we frankly don't
[57:01] know.
[57:03] When you say he was carried on a
[57:04] stretcher has that been confirmed
[57:06] officially to you? No. It simply is an
[57:09] intelligence report among many others.
[57:12] But obviously very interesting because
[57:14] it concerns Saddam the chain of command
[57:17] the hope that somehow that could be
[57:18] truncated and the war materially
[57:21] shortened.
[57:24] Do you have any information on his two
[57:25] sons Uday and Qusay who are also
[57:28] powerful figures in that Iraqi regime?
[57:31] No, I have no more information than
[57:33] you've reported.
[57:36] When you take a look at the diplomatic
[57:38] fallout from this war let's go through a
[57:40] couple examples very briefly. Turkey
[57:43] there seems to be a serious strain in
[57:46] US-Turkish relations now as a result of
[57:49] the back and and forth that's been going
[57:51] on over these weeks on what the Turkish
[57:53] government might or might not allow. How
[57:55] concerned are you about the long-term
[57:57] fallout involving this key strategic
[58:01] relationship between these two NATO
[58:03] allies?
[58:04] I don't believe there will be long-term
[58:06] fallout. As a matter of fact I believe
[58:08] the United States will continue to be
[58:10] the strongest friend of Turkey as Turkey
[58:13] seeks admission to the European Union
[58:15] and general incorporation into European
[58:17] affairs.
[58:18] The United States is vital to those
[58:21] Turkish aspirations. But for the moment
[58:23] there is a very new government in Turkey
[58:26] an inexperienced government and one that
[58:28] has a population that is always inflamed
[58:31] by any issues dealing with Kurds. And we
[58:34] are into that sort of predicament
[58:35] presently. The President of the United
[58:37] States when he came back from Camp David
[58:39] today was very clear in asking Turkey
[58:42] not to send troops into northern Iraq.
[58:45] That is very important. We are now
[58:48] getting overflights of American troops
[58:50] into northern Iraq and those Americans
[58:52] need to be there in some numbers to
[58:55] guarantee that there is peace in that
[58:57] area that there is movement by Kurds
[59:00] toward their own self-government and
[59:03] their own destiny without interference
[59:05] from Turkey or Saddam or anybody else.
[59:10] Do you have any doubt Senator Lugar that
[59:12] when all is said and done the US will
[59:14] find weapons of mass destruction in
[59:16] Iraq?
[59:18] No, I have no doubt that we will find
[59:19] those weapons. I have all the the
[59:23] problems that those inspectors have is
[59:25] to how we will go about that. Having had
[59:28] some experience trying to hunt down uh
[59:31] in Russia. I know that without Russians
[59:33] at my side detailing what had occurred
[59:35] for 20 years in various biological and
[59:38] chemical situations, I wouldn't have had
[59:39] a clue. And neither will the UN
[59:41] inspectors. However, my guess is at the
[59:44] end of the day we will hear from Iraqis
[59:46] who will tell us where they are and we
[59:48] will destroy them. And it's important
[59:50] that we find them and that we destroy
[59:52] them.
[59:54] Senator Richard Lugar, the chairman of
[59:56] the Foreign Relations Committee, uh
[59:57] thanks thanks so much for being with us.
[59:59] Thanks for your patience. I'll see you
[60:01] when I get back to Washington.
[60:05] Let's go to the Let's go back to Paula
[60:07] in New York right now. Paula. Thanks so
[60:09] much, Wolf. It's been a pleasure working
[60:11] with you over the last several hours.
[60:12] That wraps it up for me here. I will be
[60:14] back in place 7:00 a.m. Eastern time
[60:17] tomorrow morning. Thank you all for
[60:18] being with us. Back to Leon Harris now
[60:20] at CNN Center as he brings you up to
[60:22] date at the top of the hour.
[60:28] Hello, I'm Leon Harris at the CNN Center
[60:30] here in Atlanta. Here's a check of
[60:31] what's happening this hour. The key town
[60:33] of An Nasiriyah in south-central Iraq is
[60:35] proving to be the latest flash point in
[60:37] the war. The Pentagon confirms that a
[60:39] handful of American soldiers were
[60:41] captured or killed near that city.
[60:43] CNN's Alessio Vinci, traveling with
[60:45] troops in the area, says heavy fighting
[60:47] continued into the night there.
[60:49] Meanwhile, stateside, President Bush
[60:51] urged Iraq to treat captured US and
[60:53] allied troops humanely. Upon returning
[60:56] to the White House today from Camp
[60:58] David, the president also had a warning
[60:59] for Turkey, urging them to not send
[61:02] troops into northern Iraq.
[61:04] Iraqi TV footage of those US soldiers
[61:07] captured in Iraq is creating quite an
[61:09] uproar. Those pictures were shown on the
[61:11] Arab language network Al Jazeera, and
[61:13] the video shows the bodies of soldiers
[61:15] who were shot dead. Now, as you may have
[61:17] heard broadcast on CNN just moments ago,
[61:20] Iraqi officials speaking on Al Arabiya
[61:22] TV said that Iraq will respect Geneva
[61:24] Conventions in treatment of POWs.
[61:28] A new wave of explosions lit up the
[61:30] skies over Baghdad for a fourth day. A
[61:32] battery of anti-aircraft fire was
[61:34] visible earlier. Air strikes resumed
[61:36] after night fell in the northern city of
[61:38] Mosul. That city's been targeted for the
[61:40] past three nights now.
[61:43] British television agency ITN now says
[61:45] reporter Terry Lloyd and two others
[61:47] missing since yesterday were killed in a
[61:50] friendly fire incident in southern Iraq.
[61:52] ITN says they were driving outside of
[61:54] Basra accompanied by Iraqi vehicles when
[61:57] they were fired upon.
[61:59] We've got pictures this hour of a
[62:01] coalition airdrop onto Al Faw Peninsula.
[62:04] That's Iraq's only gateway to the
[62:05] Persian Gulf.
[62:06] That area was taken early on by the
[62:08] British troops and the US Marines as
[62:10] well, although scattered fighting does
[62:11] continue in the port city of Umm Qasr in
[62:13] that region.
[62:15] An Iraqi official is accusing Israel of
[62:17] getting involved in the war. Foreign
[62:19] Minister Naji Sabri says an Israeli
[62:21] missile was found in Baghdad, but he
[62:23] offered no proof of that. An Israeli
[62:26] spokesman denies the charge of Israeli
[62:28] involvement, but he says the Iraqis
[62:29] could have found an Israeli decoy rocket
[62:32] sold to the US military.
[62:34] We are bringing you live coverage of the
[62:36] war in Iraq right here on CNN 24 hours a
[62:39] day. And when you're away from a
[62:40] television, there's always cnn.com.
[62:43] Go there and you'll find our war
[62:44] tracker. Just click on interactive maps
[62:46] and keep track of the action on the
[62:47] front lines. You can also read field
[62:49] reports from our reporters who are out
[62:51] there in the war zones. Again, all of
[62:53] that exclusively at cnn.com.
[62:55] And now, CNN's coverage of the war in
[62:57] Iraq continues.
[63:08] Welcome back to our continuing coverage
[63:09] of the war in Iraq. I'm Wolf Blitzer
[63:11] reporting live from Kuwait City. Earlier
[63:14] today, the Pentagon said that fewer than
[63:16] 10 of its troops were missing. Shortly
[63:19] after that, CNN received the first
[63:21] pictures of American soldiers killed and
[63:24] captured in action in Iraq. The pictures
[63:27] were transmitted by the Al Jazeera Arab
[63:29] language satellite channel. The video
[63:32] was originally shot though by Iraqi
[63:34] state-run television. We want to let the
[63:37] audience know, our viewers know that
[63:40] these pictures and the interviews are
[63:42] extremely disturbing. CNN has made a
[63:45] decision not to show the video of those
[63:47] killed and will instead use this single
[63:50] image with no identifiable features. In
[63:53] other images, it was apparent some
[63:55] soldiers had been shot, some of them in
[63:57] the forehead. We don't know their
[63:59] identities. Five other soldiers were
[64:01] also interviewed and each gave his or
[64:04] her name and home state in the United
[64:06] States. The Pentagon tells CNN that it's
[64:08] notifying the families of those captured