Fox News - Michael Jackson verdict aftermath - 2005-06-13 -1 of 2

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[0:00] tomorrow about that subject right here.

[0:02] That's it for us today. Thanks for

[0:03] watching The Factor. Hannity & Colmes is

[0:05] next. [music] They'll have more reaction

[0:07] to Jackson's acquittal. I'm Bill

[0:08] O'Reilly. Hope to see you next time.

[0:09] Remember, the spin stops right here

[0:11] [music] because we are definitely

[0:12] looking out for you.

[0:20] >> [music]

[0:24] >> And welcome to Hannity & Colmes. Thank

[0:26] you for being with us. I'm Sean Hannity.

[0:27] It's a very busy news day and we'll have

[0:29] all the latest from California and the

[0:31] acquittal of Michael Jackson in just a

[0:32] minute. But also coming up tonight is

[0:34] the interview that you've heard about,

[0:36] have been reading about, my exclusive

[0:38] sit-down interview with Vice President

[0:39] Dick Cheney. Now, he broke news about

[0:41] Guantanamo Bay, his political future for

[0:44] 2008, and of course his feelings about

[0:47] DNC chair Howard Dean.

[0:48] >> Well, I think Howard Dean's over the

[0:50] top. Uh I

[0:52] I've never been able to understand his

[0:54] appeal. I mean, maybe maybe his mother

[0:56] loved him, but I've never met anybody

[0:57] who does.

[1:00] >> And you don't want to miss it. It's all

[1:01] coming up tonight. First, our top story

[1:02] comes from the courthouse in Santa

[1:03] Maria, California.

[1:06] >> The people of the state of California,

[1:07] plaintiff, versus Michael Joe Jackson,

[1:09] defendant, case number 1133603.

[1:14] Count one, verdict.

[1:16] We, the jury in the above-entitled case,

[1:18] find the defendant not guilty of

[1:20] conspiracy [cheering] as charged in

[1:22] count one of the indictment.

[1:28] >> After a trial and jury deliberation that

[1:30] together lasted almost 6 months, Michael

[1:32] Jackson was acquitted today of all 10

[1:35] counts brought against him, including

[1:37] charges of child molestation and

[1:39] administering alcohol to a minor. You

[1:41] are looking live at the gates of the

[1:43] Neverland Ranch. It's the place the

[1:44] prosecution called the scene of the

[1:46] crime, and tonight it's the place where

[1:48] Michael Jackson is a free man. We are

[1:50] watching and waiting for late-breaking

[1:52] developments, and if they happen, we'll

[1:53] bring them to you tonight live. And now

[1:55] for all the latest on today's verdict,

[1:57] we're joined from the courthouse in

[1:58] Santa Maria by Fox News legal analyst

[2:00] Bob Massi. We're also joined by former

[2:02] prosecutor Marcia Clark of the O.J.

[2:04] Simpson fame, who is also a contributor

[2:06] to Justice Magazine and just wrote a

[2:08] great piece on the Jackson case. In Los

[2:10] Angeles, we are joined by celebrity

[2:12] justice correspondent Pat Lalama. And

[2:14] here in our New York studio, the host of

[2:16] at large, our very own Geraldo Rivera.

[2:19] And I got to start with you, Geraldo.

[2:20] You called it exactly. I guess I can

[2:23] keep my mustache there, Sean.

[2:24] >> Uh we had a little bet didn't [laughter]

[2:25] we?

[2:26] Well, you said if he was found

[2:29] >> Not guilty.

[2:29] >> Not guilty on all on all accounts.

[2:31] >> If he was found guilty If he was found

[2:33] guilty, I was going to shave off my

[2:34] iconic mustache that I have had for

[2:36] almost 40 years.

[2:37] >> was I going to do? I I didn't make a

[2:38] bet. And what is it?

[2:40] You got a deal. All right. I'm a man of

[2:41] my word. Have you spoken to Michael?

[2:43] Have you heard from his camp?

[2:44] >> We

[2:49] called the family. We heard him buzzing

[2:51] in the background. We get could get the

[2:52] call at any time. My brother Craig has

[2:54] the cell phone in his hands and he might

[2:56] call you during the show. He might call

[2:57] us during the show. Right. He might call

[2:58] us at any moment there.

[2:59] Uh

[3:00] >> All right. Well,

[3:02] let me get now Pat Lalama, you were on

[3:03] the opposite side of this by the way.

[3:06] >> Yes, and congratulations to Mr. Geraldo.

[3:08] I have to give it to you. I haven't been

[3:10] so wrong since the O.J. Simpson case. I

[3:13] have to tell you I'm considering a new

[3:14] line of work. But I'm very upset about

[3:16] >> But hang on Pat one second. That's

[3:18] Thomas Mesereau, his attorney, leaving

[3:19] the Neverland Ranch right now as we

[3:21] speak here. But go ahead now, Pat.

[3:23] >> Well, anyway, I was just going to say I

[3:25] mean it's very troubling to me for a

[3:26] whole lot of reasons that I don't

[3:28] necessarily need to repeat now. But

[3:29] here's the thing. I'm concerned for any

[3:32] kids who feel the need

[3:34] to come forward. This

[3:35] was not about basically Geraldo, can I

[3:37] talk? Please? Please, may I? With all

[3:39] due respect, I'll let you do your thing,

[3:41] okay? I'm concerned because there's a

[3:43] lot of things that happened today that

[3:44] concern me. Number one, that jury comes

[3:46] out with a written statement that says,

[3:48] "We felt the eyes of the world and the

[3:49] weight upon our shoulders." That should

[3:51] never have been a consideration. When

[3:53] the jurors were asked question number

[3:54] one, how did you feel about that

[3:55] accuser? Nobody wanted to answer. What

[3:58] was the heaviest evidence? Nobody wanted

[4:00] to answer. I'm very concerned about what

[4:02] they really thought was the important

[4:04] thing in this in this

[4:05] >> before we go to Marsha and Bob, I want

[4:07] to go to you, Geraldo. Just because just

[4:09] because somebody in this country is

[4:10] found not guilty doesn't mean they're

[4:11] innocent of the charges, and you know

[4:13] that.

[4:13] >> Sean, give him a break. When I When I

[4:16] risked my mustache and my reputation in

[4:19] a in a case standing alone basically in

[4:21] the

[4:22] among the pundits, I did it not because

[4:24] of emotional or subjective reasons. I

[4:27] analyzed the evidence against this man.

[4:29] This case never should have been

[4:30] brought. If his name was Jackson Michael

[4:32] instead of Michael Jackson, he never

[4:34] even would have been indicted.

[4:35] >> All right, but let me say this

[4:36] to you. You're You're a good friend

[4:37] though, Geraldo. In your mind and in

[4:39] your heart, his actions has brought all

[4:41] the suspicion upon him. There is a

[4:43] chance, and you know that there's a

[4:44] chance that he may be guilty of this

[4:46] even though they may not have been able

[4:47] to prove it in this case. His conduct,

[4:49] his sleeping with boys, his paying out

[4:51] millions brings a lot of suspicion on

[4:52] him.

[4:53] >> Sean, I may be the only person in the

[4:55] world who is friends with both Michael

[4:56] Jackson and Sean Hannity.

[4:58] And I'm proud of both relationships.

[5:00] >> get in trouble, I want you to defend me.

[5:02] >> Mike, I and I'll be I'll have your back

[5:04] just as I had his because this was not

[5:06] fair. This was a grifter family with a

[5:09] with a with a record that was so

[5:11] checkered it was pathetic. It was

[5:12] sickening. They This was a setup. It

[5:15] never would have been brought if it was

[5:16] in any other county. Tom Sneddon has had

[5:19] this grudge for 13 years. He used the

[5:21] the mechanism of the state to get this

[5:23] man.

[5:23] >> Clark, do you want to weigh in?

[5:26] >> Sure, I totally disagree with everything

[5:28] Geraldo said. I think it's completely

[5:29] false. I've handled hundreds of hot

[5:31] child molestation cases. I followed the

[5:33] evidence in this case very carefully. I

[5:35] was in the courtroom. I know what went

[5:36] on in this trial. I fear I really do

[5:39] fear that it was a celebrity mentality

[5:41] that caused this verdict to happen. I

[5:43] know the jurors maybe consciously don't

[5:45] realize that, and giving them all the

[5:47] difference that I possibly can. They

[5:49] were overwhelmed with the weight of the

[5:50] celebrity this guy. Jackson is huge,

[5:53] much huger than Simpson ever was and

[5:55] they simp they simply did not want to

[5:57] find him guilty and every case will

[5:58] always give jurors the excuse to find

[6:00] him not guilty and they found them. I do

[6:03] not believe for one second and I feel

[6:05] very badly tonight. Everybody's having a

[6:07] lot of fun debating this. I want to

[6:08] think one minute about these little boys

[6:11] who were victims that no one's talking

[6:12] about right now. How do you think they

[6:14] feel tonight?

[6:15] >> You know that they're victims, Marsha,

[6:16] BUT

[6:16] WHAT WHAT WHAT SUBSTITUTES YOUR

[6:18] ENJOYMENT for the jurors, Marsha?

[6:20] >> You know that they're all

[6:21] >> This this avalanche of hysterical

[6:25] rhetoric doesn't make him guilty. This

[6:28] What is What is the evidence? His His

[6:30] mother made him lie against his own

[6:32] father. His mother made him lie against

[6:34] J.C. Penney's. This has been a fake case

[6:37] >> Let me hold on, guys. Let me get Let me

[6:39] get Bob Massi in here. Bob, the fact is

[6:40] the jury did not like the mother. The

[6:42] mother was was she turned the jury off

[6:43] if you heard their comments afterwards

[6:45] and they couldn't prove it beyond

[6:46] reasonable doubt. Isn't that what

[6:47] happened here?

[6:48] >> Allen, you know, I I think really no

[6:50] disrespect to some of the guests, but

[6:52] it's a little too cynical. You know,

[6:53] they lost the case. This was a family. I

[6:56] sat through this trial. This is a family

[6:58] that crumbled under cross-examination. I

[7:00] mean, I don't care what anybody says,

[7:01] unless you sat in this trial and you

[7:03] watched the examination, Tom Mesereau

[7:06] cross-examined and dismantled this

[7:08] entire family and the bottom line is

[7:10] there was credibility problems all over

[7:12] the place. You can't be a poor loser on

[7:14] this case.

[7:15] >> They brought bad witnesses.

[7:16] They brought bad witnesses. They They

[7:18] brought people who were tainted. They

[7:19] brought people who could not

[7:20] substantiate and that's what happened

[7:22] here.

[7:23] >> And not only that, uh listen. They They

[7:25] They put Look, Michael Jackson was

[7:27] willing to walk through that courtroom

[7:28] and fight the case. Wait a second.

[7:30] Michael Jack Wait a second, please. I

[7:32] was at the courthouse watching this

[7:34] trial. Michael Jackson had the had to go

[7:36] to trial and he was willing to walk out

[7:38] a convicted man today as well as walk

[7:41] out as a free man. He had a great

[7:43] lawyer, and what that lawyer did was he

[7:45] tested the system, and he said to the

[7:47] system, "If you could prove beyond a

[7:49] reasonable doubt, then my client's

[7:51] willing to go to jail. But if you can't,

[7:53] my guy's willing to walk out." And the

[7:55] fact that they lost should not be some

[7:57] type of just a bad taste in your mouth.

[7:59] Nobody wants to see children molested,

[8:01] but wait a second, they lost the case,

[8:03] and they had a bad family, and they had

[8:04] a dysfunctional family, and they had a

[8:06] mother, no disrespect to the ladies, the

[8:08] women hated the mother. She was She was

[8:11] reprehensible on the

[8:12] >> Pat LaLama, wasn't that a mistake

[8:14] putting the mother up, putting the

[8:15] family up, putting up people who could

[8:16] not be credible to a jury? Isn't that

[8:18] what happened here?

[8:19] >> Of course it was.

[8:20] >> and the conspiracy charge is like

[8:22] >> Pat Pat LaLama, go.

[8:23] >> My name is Pat LaLama, let me finish

[8:25] that one, okay? This is a very troubled

[8:28] family. This is a very troubled family,

[8:30] but aside from that, this child was a

[8:32] victim. This

[8:33] >> How do you know that?

[8:34] >> has to go through life now and say,

[8:36] "Nobody believed me, even though my

[8:38] mother's wacked, okay?" Now, no kid in

[8:40] the world will go forward

[8:41] >> All right, well, that is such pathetic

[8:43] >> All right, we we got a lot more We got a

[8:45] lot more to come tonight on the verdict

[8:47] in the Michael Jackson case, and famed

[8:49] attorney Gloria Allred, she'll join us,

[8:50] tell us what she thinks of the outcome.

[8:52] Plus, we're going to find out what the

[8:53] verdict means for Michael Jackson's own

[8:55] children, and then tonight, right here,

[8:57] an exclusive interview with Vice

[8:59] President Dick Cheney. He speaks out

[9:00] about controversial [music] DNC chair

[9:02] Howard Dean. He'll set the record

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