PBS NewsHour - 1996-03-12 - 1 of 2 (Super Tuesday)

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[0:07] Good evening. I'm Jim Lara. Welcome to

[0:09] this Super Tuesday special edition of

[0:11] the NewsHour. The story is Bob Dole's

[0:14] sweep. We have full coverage with the

[0:16] numbers, analysis by Mark Shields and

[0:18] Paul Jigo, and our regional

[0:20] commentators, plus a look to what

[0:22] today's results in the South may mean

[0:24] for November.

[0:26] Funding for this program has been

[0:28] provided by the Corporation for Public

[0:29] Broadcasting and viewers like you. Bob

[0:34] Dole swept the Super Tuesday primaries.

[0:36] The commercial networks projected him

[0:37] winning Florida, Texas, Mississippi,

[0:40] Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Louisiana.

[0:42] Unofficial returns from Oregon's mail-in

[0:44] primary will be announced tomorrow. Dole

[0:47] is expected to pick up the bulk of 362

[0:50] delegates tonight. He went into today's

[0:52] primaries with 392. With today's

[0:55] results, he will have more than the

[0:57] twothirds. He will have more than

[0:58] twothirds of what he needs to win the

[1:00] Republican presidential nomination in

[1:02] August. Dole celebrated his victory

[1:04] tonight with a crowd of supporters at a

[1:07] Washington hotel. He was introduced by

[1:09] House Speaker N. Gingrich.

[1:11] I had the privilege as speaker of the

[1:13] house of working every day with the

[1:17] Senate Majority Leader. By the way, as

[1:18] many of you know, he holds the record.

[1:20] He has been majority leader longer than

[1:23] any other Republican leader in the

[1:25] history of the Senate.

[1:30] >> And let me just say, I watched him keep

[1:32] his word. I watched him show his

[1:34] courage. I watched him display his

[1:37] integrity. And now tonight, you can join

[1:39] me in welcoming the next president of

[1:41] the United States, the Republican

[1:43] nominee, Bob Dole of Kansas.

[1:53] Thank you.

[1:57] >> Thank you very much.

[2:00] I don't know. For some reason, the

[2:01] crowds are getting bigger.

[2:11] >> Let me first thank my good friend, the

[2:13] Speaker of the House, N. Gingrich. We're

[2:15] gonna move this country forward. Give us

[2:17] a chance. Get Bill Clinton out of the

[2:19] way and we'll get the job done.

[2:30] >> I'm just thinking on the way down how

[2:31] these Tuesday night meetings are getting

[2:33] to be more and more fun.

[2:37] >> And I I think the only Tuesday that's

[2:40] going to be more super than this Tuesday

[2:41] will be Tuesday, November 5. That's

[2:45] going to be a big one.

[2:49] Let me uh let me repeat what I said last

[2:53] Tuesday.

[2:54] If you believe our country must return

[2:56] to the traditional values that made us

[2:58] strong, you have a home in the Dole

[3:00] campaign. If you believe in hope and

[3:03] economic growth, you have a home in the

[3:06] Dole campaign. If you believe we should

[3:08] cut taxes and balance the budget and put

[3:10] parents back in charge of our schools,

[3:13] untie the hands of our police and

[3:15] appoint conservative judges to our

[3:17] courts, then join us and we will change

[3:20] America. We will change America.

[3:35] >> You and I share a vision.

[3:38] You and I share a vision of America that

[3:40] is freer, an America that is stronger,

[3:43] America that is safer and more loving

[3:45] than the American we live in now. And if

[3:48] we believe in freedom, we have it within

[3:51] our power to make this vision real. Not

[3:54] just for ourselves, but for our children

[3:57] and our children's children. We already

[4:00] have begun to unite our party. Soon we

[4:03] will rally our nation and nothing

[4:05] nothing will stand in our way when we

[4:07] rally the nation and bring the voters

[4:09] out on November 5, 1996.

[4:19] >> Earlier tonight, Pat Buchanan addressed

[4:21] his supporters at a rally in Boardman,

[4:23] Ohio.

[4:26] >> THANK YOU.

[4:28] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FRIENDS.

[4:30] LISTEN,

[4:34] regardless

[4:35] regardless of what happens tonight or

[4:37] next Tuesday night or next Tuesday

[4:38] night, we're going all the way to San

[4:40] Diego.

[4:51] >> And I still think the lady behind me is

[4:53] the one that's going to replace Hillary

[4:54] Rodm Clinton.

[5:09] Thank you very much. I look out here at

[5:11] these hundreds and hundreds of people

[5:13] and I see that despite the fact we've

[5:16] taken some beatings and some defeats in

[5:18] the last couple of weeks, this campaign

[5:20] is the only one in America. It's got

[5:22] ideals, ideas, fire, energy, passion,

[5:26] and enthusiasm. Brown,

[5:28] >> you still got it.

[5:37] >> So, let me talk a little bit about our

[5:39] campaign and how it's gone and how it's

[5:41] going to go. As you know, we started off

[5:44] and surprised everyone by winning a

[5:45] victory in the great state of Alaska in

[5:47] the largest straw poll and caucus ever

[5:49] held in Alaska. We followed that up with

[5:53] a victory down in Louisiana.

[5:55] Then we went up to IOWA WHERE BOB DOLE

[5:58] had a 50-point lead. He outspent us five

[6:01] to one as they have in every race and we

[6:04] narrowed that lead to three points. THAT

[6:06] WAS HIS BACKYARD. Then we took HIM HOME

[6:08] TO MY BACKYARD IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND WE

[6:10] BEAT HIM CLEAN.

[6:17] >> And now it does look like he's going to

[6:19] have a good night in terms of the

[6:21] delegate count. But everywhere we see

[6:23] that 40 to 50% OF REPUBLICANS ARE

[6:26] SAYING, "WE DON'T WANT THIS TO END. WE

[6:28] WANT YOU TO GO ON. WE WANT THE FIGHT TO

[6:30] CONTINUE. WE WANT THIS BATTLE FOR THE

[6:32] HEART AND SOUL OF OUR PARTY to go on."

[6:38] And let me tell you what that's about.

[6:40] This is a battle FOR DELEGATES AND IT IS

[6:42] A BATTLE FOR THE NOMINATION. But it's

[6:44] about more than that. It is a battle for

[6:47] the heart and soul of this party. IT IS

[6:49] A BATTLE FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS PARTY.

[6:51] THE OTHER SIDE IS CONTENT TO BATTLE FOR

[6:53] THE PRESIDENT WITHOUT IDEAS, without

[6:55] issues, simply going on momentum, going

[6:58] on endorsements. But our whole campaign

[7:01] is about what we believe in and what we

[7:03] believe is right for our country and

[7:05] what we think America needs in this

[7:07] postcold war era, in the new era of the

[7:10] 21st century we're entering. THIS IS THE

[7:12] LAST HARRAH OF THAT OLDER GENERATION.

[7:16] The last harrah. And our time is coming,

[7:18] my friends. Our time is coming. I assure

[7:21] you that.

[7:23] >> Steve Forbes also spoke tonight after

[7:25] the projected results were known. This

[7:27] is what he said to supporters at Newark

[7:29] Airport.

[7:31] Obviously, the results tonight are a

[7:33] disappointment and quite obviously too

[7:36] in the upcoming primaries next week. We

[7:38] must make a major breakthrough in one of

[7:40] those Midwest industrial states. If not,

[7:43] then this campaign will have to come to

[7:45] a con conclusion. There's no way we can

[7:47] go to California without a major

[7:50] breakthrough next week. Just

[7:52] mathematically, Senator Dole will be so

[7:54] close to the 996 number that the contest

[7:57] will be over. Our task then will be

[8:00] moving ahead to get the message across

[8:04] more convincingly than ever before. How

[8:07] we do that is what was going to be we're

[8:09] going to be discussing tonight and

[8:10] tomorrow. And we're going to try our

[8:13] best. We do have a good message for

[8:15] getting America moving again and that's

[8:17] what we have to convey to the voters and

[8:19] clearly did not convey adequately in

[8:21] today's primaries. Now towami homeman

[8:24] for a more complete rundown on the

[8:26] results of the night thus far. Florida

[8:29] was the first of six states where the

[8:31] commercial networks and the associated

[8:33] press declared Bob Dole the winner on

[8:35] this Super Tuesday. Let's begin there.

[8:37] Florida had the second largest delegate

[8:40] count today. 98 Republican delegates up

[8:42] for grabs and with 83% of the precincts

[8:46] reporting. Senator Bob Dole has 56%.

[8:49] Steve Forbes has his best showing of the

[8:52] night thus far, his only second place

[8:54] showing apparently with 21% of the vote

[8:56] in Florida. Buchanan is third. Pat

[8:58] Buchanan is third with 19%.

[9:02] In Tennessee, with 75% of the precincts

[9:05] reporting, Dole has 51% followed by

[9:07] Buchanan with 26% and former Tennessee

[9:11] Governor Lamar Alexander, who dropped

[9:13] out of the race last week, nonetheless

[9:15] got 11%. Forbes came in fourth in

[9:18] Tennessee.

[9:20] In Texas, with only 12% of the precincts

[9:23] reporting, Dole has 55%, Buchanan 21%,

[9:27] Forbes third with 12%.

[9:31] 123 delegates were at stake in Texas,

[9:34] the largest delegate count of the night.

[9:37] In Mississippi, 70% of the precincts

[9:40] have reported. Dole has 61%, Buchanan

[9:43] 27%, Forbes only 7%.

[9:48] In Oklahoma, with 94% of the precincts

[9:50] reporting, it's Dole with 59%, Buchanan

[9:54] with 22%,

[9:56] and Forbes with 14%.

[9:59] In Louisiana, Dole with 40% of the

[10:02] precincts reporting. Dole has 48%.

[10:05] Buchanan is second with 31%. Buchanan

[10:08] also picked up 13 Republican delegates

[10:10] in the earlier Louisiana caucuses. And

[10:13] Forbes is third with 14%.

[10:16] The Oregon mail-in primary, as we

[10:19] reported, uh the results there will be

[10:21] known later, and we'll be back later

[10:22] with more numbers. Jim,

[10:24] >> yes, thank youwami. Now, some analysis

[10:26] of tonight's results from NewsHour

[10:28] regular Shields and Jigo, syndicated

[10:30] columnist Mark Shields, Wall Street

[10:32] Journal columnist Paul Jigo. Paul, uh,

[10:35] so if there was any doubt the about the

[10:37] fact of Bob Dole being the Republican

[10:39] nominee, it's over tonight, is it not?

[10:41] >> It is. There wasn't much drama uh

[10:44] anymore much more drama than a

[10:45] professional wrestling match uh uh

[10:47] tonight we expected. But this is a big

[10:49] win for Bob Dole. in particular, I think

[10:51] the magic number they wanted to get in

[10:53] the Dole campaign was 50%. And he

[10:55] managed to get that uh in six of the

[10:58] seven states came very close in

[10:59] Louisiana with 48%.

[11:02] So I think it's it's it's a virtual

[11:05] lock. It's over.

[11:06] >> It's over.

[11:07] >> Well, Ted Williams, the the great

[11:09] baseball hitter, Boston Red Sox, the

[11:11] Splendid

[11:12] >> Splendid Splinter,

[11:13] >> the Splendid Splinter himself, uh when

[11:15] inducted into Coopertown, the Hall of

[11:16] Fame said, "I don't know what's so

[11:18] terrific. I only hit 406. Anybody does

[11:20] four out of 10 jobs well doesn't last

[11:22] long. Bob Dole hit a thousand tonight.

[11:25] Uh and uh he is he is on more than a

[11:28] roll. He's he's dominant. Uh I agree

[11:30] with Paul. It was a it was a sweep of

[11:32] proportions. I was just checking Jim the

[11:34] percentages thatwami listed. Pat

[11:37] Buchanan, the only state where he ran

[11:38] better against Bob Dole than he had run

[11:40] against George Bush uh in the returns we

[11:44] have thus far was Mississippi. uh every

[11:47] other place he ran worse, weaker

[11:49] actually against and that's tougher I

[11:51] think for Pat Buchanan to accept because

[11:53] he had already won three contests

[11:55] earlier in Alaska, Louisiana and New

[11:57] Hampshire.

[11:58] >> Remarkable story in many ways, is it not

[12:00] Paul? I mean the the times that Bob Dole

[12:02] has been counted out in the last several

[12:04] weeks, not months, weeks. uh the

[12:07] beginning with his uh response to the

[12:09] president uh the state of the union

[12:11] address and then after Iowa and then New

[12:13] Hampshire. What what did he do to get

[12:15] where he is tonight?

[12:17] >> Uh he did a lot of things right. One is

[12:19] he learned from his mistakes and I don't

[12:21] I mean the mistakes from his previous

[12:23] runs at the White House.

[12:25] >> U he'd had a couple uh and some people

[12:27] never learn from their mistakes. One of

[12:29] the uh mistakes he made before was he

[12:31] didn't delegate. He wanted to

[12:33] micromanage. This time he appointed a

[12:35] team and he gave them the responsibility

[12:38] to run a plan. They had a plan.

[12:40] >> Talk about the campaign. The campaign

[12:41] did not he didn't find tune it and all

[12:43] of that. Well, he remember we had that

[12:45] flap earlier about the uh about

[12:47] returning the check to the log cabin

[12:49] Republicans, right, which he had let his

[12:50] staff do and it chafed at him for weeks

[12:52] and weeks and weeks and finally he you

[12:54] know he intervened himself but he he

[12:57] didn't get in the get in involved early

[13:00] because he wanted to delegate this time

[13:01] and they had a plan where South Carolina

[13:03] was going to be their bedrock and they

[13:05] turned to that and it worked for them.

[13:07] There were some dicey moments but it

[13:09] worked. The other thing I'd say is a lot

[13:11] of the seeds for this were laid last

[13:13] year. Uh he had a masterful year in

[13:16] Congress last year, making himself, the

[13:19] old lion of Congress, an ally of the new

[13:22] revolutionaries of Congress on the

[13:24] Republican side and making himself a

[13:26] kind of co-leader with N. Gingrich of

[13:28] the Republican Congress.

[13:29] >> And there's Gingrich tonight introducing

[13:31] him and made it impossible then for

[13:33] Gingrich and the New Wave to run against

[13:36] Do they had to run him with him in a

[13:37] way, did they not?

[13:38] >> They I think they do. I mean, Bob Bob

[13:40] Dole, even though he trails President

[13:41] Bill Clinton in virtually all polls,

[13:44] >> he's two out today, he's way behind.

[13:45] >> Way behind, is uh uh is the leader of

[13:48] his party. He's the nominee. Uh he is

[13:51] the generic Republican. Uh he brings to

[13:53] it the strengths that the Republicans

[13:55] bring to it. He there are no conspicuous

[13:57] weaknesses. Personally, uh I think 1995

[14:00] was the key. He put together a campaign

[14:04] uh that was not only uh well organized

[14:06] and well disciplined and he reached out

[14:07] to get people who hadn't been with him

[14:09] in the past and he also raised the

[14:12] money. He played by the rules that were

[14:13] on the board. He raised the money. He

[14:15] got the endorsements and he discouraged

[14:17] other people from entering. Uh he

[14:19] couldn't keep out Phil Graham, but he

[14:21] absolutely masterfully isolated Phil

[14:23] Graham really in the margins of the

[14:26] Senate. Every time Phil Graham tried to

[14:27] put a move on him in the Senate

[14:29] legislatively, Bob Dole masterfully uh

[14:32] just marginalized him. Uh he uh he was

[14:35] blessed by the non-entry of Coen Powell.

[14:38] But what Bob Dole put together early and

[14:41] formidably certainly discouraged other

[14:43] potential candidates, Jack Kemp, it

[14:45] discouraged Dick Cheney, the former

[14:46] Secretary of Defense. It discover

[14:48] discouraged Bill B. I'm not saying it

[14:49] was decisive or determinant in their

[14:51] quail also

[14:52] >> and Dan Quail as well. So, I mean, he he

[14:54] really the 1995 performance was was key

[14:58] to what happened. He has one terrible

[15:00] bad habit he's got to get over. He

[15:02] continues to talk on the process. He

[15:04] comments on the process. He says, "Well,

[15:06] this happened tonight. That means we go

[15:07] on there and we're on to I mean, people

[15:09] aren't interested in political analysis

[15:11] in the White House. Uh they love it on

[15:13] the news hour with Jim Lara sometimes,

[15:16] but they really No, he really But he

[15:18] really does. He has a he has a pinchion

[15:20] for doing that. What else has he got to

[15:21] do uh in the immediate now do you think

[15:25] uh Paul to get on with the main business

[15:27] at hand which is to defeat Bill Clinton

[15:30] in November?

[15:30] >> I think the the the most important thing

[15:32] he has to do is to prevent a third party

[15:34] run uh first by Pat Buchanan and the and

[15:37] the social conservatives and then I

[15:39] think he has to do what he can to

[15:40] prevent a third party run by Ross Perau.

[15:42] Uh that's a difficult task because

[15:44] nobody controls that psyche if if

[15:46] anybody can understand it. But uh he has

[15:49] to do that because if Perau does get in,

[15:51] it is a very difficult job for uh Bob

[15:54] Dole to win. I think that's his most

[15:55] important task. The other thing he has

[15:57] to do right now, I think he has to begin

[15:59] to become the spokesman, not in the

[16:01] sense for the Republican reform movement

[16:03] very broadly put, including the

[16:04] governors, the whole agenda. The

[16:07] temptation will be to get back into the

[16:09] Senate, pass some bills, get into the

[16:11] nitty-gritty. I think for a majority

[16:13] leader like that, that is a killer.

[16:15] >> Yeah. You agree? Well, he's got an awful

[16:17] problem, Jim. I mean, he stood there

[16:18] with N. Gingrich tonight, who is the

[16:20] second most unpopular man in America.

[16:22] The two most unpopular figures in

[16:24] America today are Pat Buchanan and N.

[16:26] Gingrich. They are tied in the Wall

[16:28] Street Journal, NBC poll and least

[16:31] popularity, the most disliked, uh,

[16:35] disapproved. Uh, he stands there as a

[16:37] leader of a Congress that has a negative

[16:39] rating of 2 and a half to one. Uh, so I

[16:42] mean, it's a real problem. How does he

[16:44] handle that? I think he has to

[16:46] immediately I think think about how he

[16:48] offers the olive branch at the same time

[16:51] as he offers the strong arm to both

[16:54] Steve Forbes and to Pat Buchanan. A way

[16:57] that preserves their dignity but makes

[16:59] absolutely sure that he's the leader of

[17:01] the party and he's not going to brookke

[17:03] any diances or any silliness on their

[17:05] part.

[17:06] >> Speaking of of Forbes and Buchanan, of

[17:08] course Forbes said, we just ran the clip

[17:10] uh he's out of here next week if he

[17:12] doesn't win or do do well. So that

[17:15] that's the first time he's even even

[17:16] suggested that he might get out.

[17:18] >> Well, I think they're disappointed with

[17:19] tonight finishing second, it looks like,

[17:21] in only one state. He didn't spend a lot

[17:23] of money, contrary to his reputation.

[17:25] You know, he didn't spend a lot of money

[17:26] in Texas and Oklahoma. I was told only

[17:28] $350,000

[17:29] in those two states. If he's going to

[17:31] try to play next week in the Midwest, uh

[17:34] he's going to have to make sure that he

[17:36] Anniey's up to be able to be

[17:38] competitive. Otherwise, you can make a

[17:40] good case that he's hurting his cause by

[17:42] finishing third in some of these states.

[17:44] >> And Buchanan, of course, has not gone

[17:46] anywhere. We just heard him say that as

[17:47] well.

[17:47] >> No, I thought I was telling that Steve

[17:49] Forbes's two daughters who have graced

[17:51] his campaign looked almost relieved when

[17:53] he said that about next week. I mean, as

[17:56] he said, if we don't do it next week, I

[17:58] mean, at least at least there'll be

[17:59] something left back in the cookie jar.

[18:02] >> Mister, I say I got you. All right,

[18:04] don't go away, guys. Now, some

[18:05] additional perspectives on these Super

[18:07] Tuesday results and to Elizabeth

[18:08] Farnsworth.

[18:10] >> Now, we hear from our panel of regional

[18:12] commentators, two of whom are in states

[18:14] that were part of today's Super Tuesday

[18:16] voting. Lee Cullum of the Dallas Morning

[18:19] News and Patrick McGuigan of the Daily

[18:22] Oklahoma. Primaries are still to come

[18:24] for Clarence Page of the Chicago Tribune

[18:27] and William Wong of the Oakland Tribune.

[18:30] We're also joined by Cynthia Tucker of

[18:32] the Atlanta Constitution and by Mike

[18:34] Barnacle of the Boston Globe. Primaries

[18:36] in their states were held a week ago

[18:38] today. Welcome everybody. Lee Colum, I

[18:41] know we only have 12% of the of the

[18:43] results so far from Texas, but it looks

[18:45] like Dole is doing Senator Dole's doing

[18:47] very well with 55% of the vote so far.

[18:50] You heard what Mark and Paul said about

[18:52] what he had to do to turn this around.

[18:54] From a Texans point of view, what has he

[18:56] done right and what has Patrick Buchanan

[18:58] done wrong?

[19:00] Well, Elizabeth, I I think that uh that

[19:03] Paul Chico was quite right and so so was

[19:05] Mark Shields in saying that he has

[19:06] planned this a long time and and of

[19:09] course I would have to say his heading

[19:10] off Phil Graham. He did very well

[19:12] against Phil Graham when when Graham was

[19:13] still in the race. Uh they were neck

[19:16] andneck about 35% each a couple of

[19:18] months ago. So so he has spent a lot of

[19:20] time in Texas. He has a lot of friends

[19:22] in Texas. He has nurtured those

[19:24] relationships here over many many years,

[19:26] not just the last 12 months. and it's

[19:28] all paid off. And uh I think that Paul

[19:30] is absolutely right in saying that he's

[19:32] got now to head off a third party

[19:34] candidacy. Buchanan never really

[19:36] registered here in Texas. And and I want

[19:39] to say that there was a focus group that

[19:41] was conducted by United We Stand

[19:42] America, Perau's group, that explains it

[19:44] a little bit. A colleague of mine, Bill

[19:46] McKenzie, wrote about it in the Dallas

[19:48] News and said that this focus group

[19:50] showed that United We Stand America, at

[19:52] least here in Dallas, is protectionistic

[19:54] as as we have understood, but moderate

[19:57] on social issues. Moderate on social

[19:59] issues. So that means Buchanan simply

[20:01] couldn't speak to those independent

[20:03] voters and Dole could. So, uh, I would

[20:06] have to say that MC Buchanan had a

[20:08] message that didn't register with very

[20:09] many people here in Texas and and Dole

[20:12] did connect and connected very

[20:13] successfully. Patrick McGwigan, what

[20:15] about Oklahoma? We've got 94% reporting

[20:18] with uh Senator Dole ahead by 59%.

[20:21] What do you think?

[20:22] >> Bob Dole was a little stronger and Pat

[20:24] Buchanan a little weaker than I actually

[20:26] had expected. And I think it may all

[20:29] most easily be summarized up by the uh

[20:31] AP exit poll for our state which

[20:34] indicated that seven out of 10 of the

[20:36] people voting seven out of every 10

[20:38] people voting for Dole believe that he

[20:41] is the candidate that can uh face Bill

[20:44] Clinton with the strongest position and

[20:46] the most likely to defeat him in

[20:48] November. And I think that's the

[20:49] explanation. The party is indeed

[20:51] beginning to come come together earlier

[20:53] than I expected candidly. What do you

[20:55] think Senator Dole has to do to bring it

[20:57] together fairly quickly now?

[20:58] >> Well, I don't know that he has to do it

[21:00] uh all that quickly because we the

[21:02] calendar simply leaves some time between

[21:05] now and the convention to do it. I think

[21:06] he does need to reach out to Buchanan

[21:08] supporters to continue to do that. I

[21:10] think he needs to catch those economic

[21:12] libertarians that lean towards Mr.

[21:14] Forbes and I think he's in slow motion

[21:16] doing that. The real problem is going to

[21:18] be the legacy of that week or so after

[21:20] New Hampshire where the rhetoric

[21:23] directed at Buchanan and his people was

[21:25] so virilent and so strong. It soured

[21:28] many of them on the Republican party

[21:29] establishment and to get them back and

[21:32] they are needed for the November

[21:33] election is going to be the remaining

[21:35] task. But I have to say I think Bob Dole

[21:38] is doing a good job of getting started

[21:40] on that. He played the right themes all

[21:42] throughout the South, the middle west uh

[21:44] in these Super Tuesday primaries. I take

[21:47] my hat off to him.

[21:48] >> Just briefly, what do you think about

[21:49] Pat Buchanan's decision to stay in?

[21:52] >> Pat McGre, I'm sorry.

[21:54] >> What do you think about Pat?

[21:56] >> I understand Buchanan's intensity. He

[21:58] wants to make sure that there is not a

[22:02] proabortion running mate uh for the

[22:05] Republican uh ticket in November. Now, I

[22:08] believe that Coen Pal could do some

[22:10] things if he actually is interested in

[22:12] being the running mate, but there's a

[22:13] lot of indications that he's not, and I

[22:14] think he may actually mean that.

[22:16] >> Clarence Page, we're a week away from

[22:18] the Illinois primary. Does Bob Dole have

[22:20] it locked up?

[22:21] >> I think he does. Uh he has a very strong

[22:24] organization throughout the Midwest. And

[22:26] uh as we've seen, Bob Dole knows how to

[22:28] play it by the numbers when he has to.

[22:30] Uh he's uh laid the groundwork. He has

[22:33] to win this race on image andor ideas.

[22:37] He's not all pushing a bunch of fresh

[22:39] ideas. In fact, ideas seem to get in the

[22:41] way of his image. You heard it in his

[22:43] acceptance speech tonight. It was a very

[22:45] generic speech. We got to get this

[22:47] country moving again. Uh we got to beat

[22:50] Bill Clinton. Uh he is pushing those

[22:53] ideas such as they are. Uh but mainly uh

[22:56] I think uh Patrick McGwigan is right

[22:58] that Bob Dole has to reach out uh to his

[23:01] right uh while at the same time uh

[23:04] preparing himself to reach out toward

[23:06] the middle because as he gets the

[23:08] nomination more locked up he has to

[23:10] behave more like Bill Clinton's been

[23:12] behaving uh playing the role of the

[23:14] centrist and uh reaching out to pull

[23:16] together the votes he needs for

[23:18] November. Uh that means that uh the Bob

[23:21] Dole uh that we saw for the last week is

[23:24] probably the Bob Dole we're going to see

[23:25] for the next week. Uh playing it safe by

[23:28] the numbers and uh carrying through to

[23:30] victory in the Midwest.

[23:31] >> And Bill Wong in California were two

[23:33] weeks from your primary. Do you think

[23:34] the same issues will resonate in

[23:37] California as you've been hearing in the

[23:40] this last week?

[23:41] >> Yes, I think so. um the the Buchanan

[23:46] economic nationalism message and his

[23:50] social conservative agenda